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Curious developments in case against Roethlisberger

Maybe it’s a coincidence, but it’s strange how the case of alleged sexual assault against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has begun to publicly unravel in the three days since Commissioner Roger Goodell addressed the situation for the first time in brief but ominous fashion.

“The most important thing is we take the issue seriously,” Goodell said.  “We are
concerned that Ben continues to put himself in this position.”

On Tuesday, word came that the request for a DNA sample had been withdrawn.  Though not technically relevant to these circumstances given the absence of any issue regarding mistaken identity, the development caused many to conclude that the case would soon crumble.

On Wednesday, KDKA-TV reported that the alleged victim has failed to meet with authorities for a second interview, and that she hasn’t spoken to police since the evening of the alleged incident.  The fact that she promptly retained counsel after the incident means that she’s either acting on advice of those lawyers — or she’s ignoring their recommendations.  Either way, no criminal case can proceed without a cooperative victim.

Now, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports that the alleged victim had a blood alcohol concentration in excess of 0.20 percent, a very high number suggesting significant intoxication.  Still, the information comes not from police, but from the lawyer representing the nightclub where the alleged incident occurred.  Carl Cansino claims that the authorities shared this information with him.

So if they shared it with him, why didn’t they share it with the Tribune-Review?  (In this regard, keep in mind that the Tribune-Review also reported a couple of weeks ago that Roethlisberger would be providing a DNA sample and submitting to another interview, neither of which have happened.  Then again, the Tribune-Review never has reported that Terry Bradshaw has died.  I felt compelled to add that because several commenters surely would have.)

And here’s where it gets weird.  (Or, as the case may be, weirder.)  Cansino explains that the security videos from the evening of the incident weren’t available, because the system used at the club “recorded over the footage.”

“The DVD system overwrote itself,” Cansino told the Tribune-Review.  “Had it just been
deleted, they might have been able to save some of it.”

Setting aside for now the fact that we don’t understand how in the hell more of the footage would have been available it all of it had been deleted, the fact that the tapes would not have been preserved in relation to an event that came to light before the evening ended is very troubling to us.

I’ve encountered multiple situations like this, in my technically mothballed legal career.  Many businesses have security cameras, and most have a system where, eventually, the old footage automatically is replaced with new footage.  Otherwise, each place of business eventually would need an NFL Films-style vault to house what amounts to, in most cases, recordings of primarily if not exclusively innocuous activity within the premises.

One of the frustrations often encountered in these cases is that nightclubs and retailers are in position to preserve the footage that advances their interests, such as video of employee misconduct, because they know to pull the images before the system covers them up with new footage.  For incidents that could create liability for the business, the footage usually is long gone by the time a lawsuit is threatened or filed, since the business had no reason to save it, especially if it might be harmful to the interests of the business.

There’s a huge difference in this case.  The folks who run the Capital City nightclub in Milledgeville, Georgia knew immediately that an incident had occurred.  Thus, the footage should have been flagged and saved, with or without a request or a subpoena. 

So, yes, something stinks about this specific development.  Even though there reportedly was not a camera in the vicinity of the place where the alleged incident occurred (“a staff restroom near a dingy storage corridor,” the epitome of high class), other cameras could have captured images that would have provided circumstantial evidence of innocence or guilt, based on the alleged victim’s demeanor before and after the incident.   

If, in the end, a lawsuit is filed by the alleged victim (assuming, of course, that her failure to cooperate hasn’t resulted from a confidential settlement that already has been reached), look for Capital City to face a litany of claims for failure to provide a safe and secure environment — and look for the alleged victim’s lawyer to hammer the nightclub for failing to preserve video evidence that might have been incredibly useful to the overall pursuit of the truth.

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218 Responses to “Curious developments in case against Roethlisberger”
  1. Krow says: Mar 25, 2010 9:44 AM

    Money talks… the rich and famous walk. What do you expect? This is Amerika.

  2. fc1_87 says: Mar 25, 2010 9:46 AM

    queue the rants!

  3. Tim Couch says says: Mar 25, 2010 9:50 AM

    Something’s fishy here, and I don’t mean big ben’s fingers.

  4. Dr. Michael says: Mar 25, 2010 9:50 AM

    Carl Casino? How about Sam Sportsbook, Roger Roulette, and Paul Poker?

  5. Hauschild says: Mar 25, 2010 9:51 AM

    Looks like Big Ben has “friends” in all the right places.

  6. AllThat says: Mar 25, 2010 9:51 AM

    Ben spooged on the DVD thus ruining it.

  7. burntorangehorn says: Mar 25, 2010 9:51 AM

    PFT: now providing free legal education to football fans.
    Today’s topic: spoliation of evidence

  8. elks84 says: Mar 25, 2010 9:52 AM

    “Either way, no criminal case can proceed with a cooperative victim.”

  9. aec4 says: Mar 25, 2010 9:53 AM

    If deleted, that portion of the DVD would still “exist” with data. Not to get too technical, but a DVD has a “table of contents” up front that tells you “File XYZ is located at this part of the disk”. If a file is deleted, all that is removed is the item in the “table of contents.” The data still exists, and there are software packages that can help find it.
    If the data is overwritten, then what was there is gone.

  10. Pea Tear Griffin says: Mar 25, 2010 9:53 AM

    Wasn’t she only 20?
    Why isn’t she getting slapped with an underage? Why isn’t the club being sanctioned for serving a minor?

  11. mastablasta says: Mar 25, 2010 9:54 AM

    seems to me like the girl is now scared out of her mind,she has to go against ben and his lawyers,his cop friends,the nightclub,thier lawyers,i was real skeptical about her story at first but,ben and his legal seem to be bullying her and she doesnt seem to want the spotlight at all,i think it,for me anyways,makes him look a lil guilty now,still want to see proof tho,actually i dont care,but if these stories keep getting posted,i would like to see proof,before anymore posts,its the same stuff without any further evidence,kinda horse crap if ya ask me

  12. el_dude00 says: Mar 25, 2010 9:54 AM

    “Either way, no criminal case can proceed with a cooperative victim.” -M. Florio
    Dude. Get Mikey Jr. to proofread your shit before you click “publish.”
    “the fact that the tapes would not have been preserved in relation to an event that came to light before the evening ended is very troubling to us.” -M. Florio
    The fact that you refer still refer to a DVD as “tapes” is very troubling to us.
    Nice piece otherwise. Nail meets head as far as the club playing the CYA game.
    I’m glad to know that you have familiarity for security devices and tapes. Good stuff.

  13. Stoogie says: Mar 25, 2010 9:55 AM

    Make one wonder how many people were allowed to dip their beak into Roethlisberger’s bank accounts.

  14. Mooch says: Mar 25, 2010 9:57 AM

    So, Roger told Ben to pay her off and stay away from the clubs.
    Makes sense to me. He’s like Michael Corleone looking after Fredo.

  15. Bill In DC says: Mar 25, 2010 9:57 AM

    “Setting aside for now the fact that we don’t understand how in the hell more of the footage would have been available it all of it had been deleted”
    Mike, this is a true statement. In most systems, especially MS Windows based systems ‘delete’ doesn’t really mean the information is gone (ask Ollie North about that one). It means that the area of the disk that the information is contained in is marked as ‘available’ to be overwritten. Depending on the size of the disk (and most are huge nowadays) the actual data can exist for quite some time before it is overwritten and can be located via the use of special tools designed to search the disk. You can ‘delete’ information via the use of other special tools that overwrite the area, but this functionality is not normally included in the run of the mill applications.
    If they did overwrite the area of the disk that the footage was stored in it is gone (unless you have access to a scanning, tunneling electron microscope, two to three months and about $1 million dollars to pay the NSA experts to reconstruct it).

  16. rickah8888 says: Mar 25, 2010 9:57 AM

    When data is simply deleted off the the hard drive(be it computer, mobile phone, etc), there is still “archived bits”(kernals of information)that will always remain on said storage device until they are professionally wiped, or written over.
    This is an interesting twist! When will the book/movie rights be up for grabs??

  17. leatherneck says: Mar 25, 2010 9:58 AM

    It doesn’t matter if she was drunk. Why even report that?

  18. Brewster says: Mar 25, 2010 10:00 AM

    One sentence stands out in this article.
    “I’ve encountered multiple situations like this, in my technically mothballed legal career.”
    ___________-
    Technically?
    Does that mean you’ll be practicing law again soon?

  19. JollyRoger says: Mar 25, 2010 10:00 AM

    This whole thing stinks of shadiness. In addition to what’s mentioned, don’t forget that one of the officers had his photo taken with Big Ben before writing up the initial incident report.

  20. Tony Snow says: Mar 25, 2010 10:01 AM

    If she did take a settlement ….that would be like a smack in the face, …to all sexual assault and rape victims and to say the least our Criminal Justice System. That too, should be against the law. IMHO

  21. steeelfann says: Mar 25, 2010 10:01 AM

    Florio, the drunken floozy first stated that the “event” took place in the bathroom. Well, security cameras are not in the bathroom. See a problem here………….
    Yawn, much ado about nothing regarding Big Ben.
    Now, Capital City, if they served a 20 year old and she had a BAC over .20, they are in some do-do.
    Even if not from the “victim”(insert punchline here), from the State of GA.
    If there is no crime proved, then what is the victim claiming as damages? Other than getting drunked up? No wonder her sorority sisters abandoned her like she had lice.

  22. Ross'sSweetMinus says: Mar 25, 2010 10:02 AM

    What that he’s a Scub-Bag!

  23. Lucky5927 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:03 AM

    So let me get this straight… Big Ben makes all of that money, and he has to hook up with a overly drunk woman in a bathroom? Wow, what a model citizen for Pittsburgh! And now someone has paid the club to dub over the tapes. Nice!

  24. emperorchaz says: Mar 25, 2010 10:04 AM

    wow that chick was hammered!

  25. BwB says: Mar 25, 2010 10:06 AM

    @Port City Lake
    get big bens D out your mouth

  26. mnvikesrgood says: Mar 25, 2010 10:06 AM

    For your comment about the nightclub being liable for not providing a safe environment…..
    No business is required by law to provide a video surveillance system on the premise. It is an optional, but reccommended idea for both liability reasons such as this case, or for staff accountability.
    The club is at fault for allowing an underage person inside to drink, but just because this girl supposedly drank herself to a .20 level, doesnt mean the bar isnt a safe place.
    Stop trying to solve the case, before the facts are laid out.

  27. ParkerFly says: Mar 25, 2010 10:09 AM

    He is full of baloney. Does the DVD system overwrite itself every 10 minutes? It was conveniently deleted.

  28. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 25, 2010 10:11 AM

    Somebody’s got some ‘splainin’ to do.

  29. FootballPhil says: Mar 25, 2010 10:11 AM

    It’s quite obvious Rapelithsberger is paying her “under the table”. He most likely has set aside a large amount of money to pay off his harem of rape victims.

  30. bledsoe11 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:12 AM

    were talking sexual contact…
    not the murder of 2 men by ray ray…
    Ravens fans..deal with the fact that your qb sucks…and your best lb killed 2 people and got away with it..so be the classy folks that u r and throw Big Ben under the bus even though he has never been charged…but then again he has 2 rings and beat you in the AFC Championship game last yr…and is 4-0 vs you ass clowns the last 2 yrs

  31. Steeler-lady says: Mar 25, 2010 10:12 AM

    Lol there wasnt no camera in the Bathroom fools. where she ALLEGED this occured.
    And she hasnt cooperated since the night of the incident either.. so its not like she just got scared.Lets not forget she isnt the one who called the police either.
    lol Have you ever seen a drunk chick>lol they tend to over dramatize EVERYTHING.
    Ive heard something TOTALLY different about the videotapes but dont have a website for you to refer too but lets say it could of incriminated her as well.
    Sorry to say if i was raped/assulted no amount of money would stop me from wanting justice.. so if she took money thats a clear sign she was out for a payday the whole time. Im not a money monger tho either.

  32. BrutusJones says: Mar 25, 2010 10:12 AM

    I’m willing to bet that Mike Florio broke his keyboard typing up this article.

  33. 123456789 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:14 AM

    Florio, your babbling is quite annoying. You sir are a jack@$$.

  34. JPeezy says: Mar 25, 2010 10:17 AM

    So instead of retracting all of the negative things you said about an innocent man you try to spin the developments as “curious”. Keep pushing your agenda Foolio.
    There is nothing related to Goodell speaking 3 days ago and the new information we have learned about the case. The girl hasn’t cooperated at all since the night she was DOUBLE the legal limit drunk, and under-aged.
    What you have is a young girl who was absolutely blasted out of her mind and had a brush with fame. There was no sex, and no DNA exchange if you know what I mean. The girl likely over-reacted like a typical 20 year old wasted college girl does and tried to make drama out of nothing. Maybe Ben grabbed her ass, or maybe he rejected her advances. She overreacted and the next day sobered up and realized what she did. Of course not even her closest friends in her sorrority believed her.
    If you want to write about something “curious” ask yourself why her sorority would ban facebook, twitter, and wearing letters. Obviously her sisters were more than willing to let people know this girl got wasted and made the whole thing up.
    Feel free to issue your apology to Ben at any time Foolio.

  35. JollyRoger says: Mar 25, 2010 10:17 AM

    steeelfann says:
    March 25, 2010 10:01 AM
    Florio, the drunken floozy first stated that the “event” took place in the bathroom. Well, security cameras are not in the bathroom. See a problem here………….
    ___________________________________
    Yeah, but there are cameras elsewhere in the club. If the cameras at the front door record her running out of the club crying, that could support her allegation. Or, if they show her laughing and joking as she walks out, then it hurts her claim. Either way, if video didn’t catch the “event,” it can still have probative value. But is there really any point in trying to convince a rancid steelers troll like yourself?

  36. Ralph says: Mar 25, 2010 10:17 AM

    All digital storage works pretty much the same. The deletion process removes the index record and also flags a field on the record itself to identify it as being deleted.
    When the overwritten, the index is replaced and the record is now occupied with the new information. That’s why it’s the only way to completely remove the evidence, something I’m sure the bar was aware of when they had the security information replaced.
    It also depends on the storage medium. A dvd is an disk object. Most are a write once medium and rarely used for security systems. Typically the digital medium is a hard drive. Unless the hard drive is completely and purposelessly wiped clean there’s still the possibility that the data images may still exist. There are only two ways to be certain that all data has been removed. Do a wipe and clean reformatting of the hard drive. Physically destroy the hard drive. Nothing like a good sized hammer for that.
    Digital tape storage is still used, but becoming less and less available and the costs of using it are beginning to rise.
    Don’t forget to rewind your DVDs before you send them back to the video store….

  37. Pervy Harvin says: Mar 25, 2010 10:17 AM

    Keep it coming Mike! You are the Akiva Goldsman of the sports world. Brilliant!
    This has all the makings of a Life Time Movie Classsic…..a fat, drunken ,sex crazed sports star.A young, intoxicated bimbo. Missing video, steamy public restroom,premature blastoff,girl on the ground,to DNA or not to DNA. Coverup,intrigue,conspiracy….hope I have enough popcorn to get me to the end!

  38. CaptainFantastik says: Mar 25, 2010 10:18 AM

    Ummmm Florio? Apparently in your haste to construct a poorly thought out conspiracy theory and to stir the pot you forgot to mention that the DA already has video of the two of them together around the time of the encounter…….shot by a friend.
    No DNA evidence, a “victim” who won’t cooperate with authorities, a sorority that had to remove all Facebook and Twitter posts because they were critical of the accuser, and Capital City bar staff on the record about how she was riding his jock all night………looks like another gold digging tramp gets pimp smacked in the mouth by getting more than she bargained for.

  39. Bazooka Joe says: Mar 25, 2010 10:19 AM

    Boy, the lengths this country will go to allow a white man to get away with a crime. LOL! Obviously, Ben got the girl drunk. Also, being drunk is not an invitation for Ben to rape that 20 year old girl.

  40. BBB82 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:19 AM

    Getting an underage girl drunk and messing around with her in a “dingy storage corridor”? Ben sure knows how to show a girl a good time…

  41. cbatchel says: Mar 25, 2010 10:19 AM

    The video system recorded over itself, WTF, LMFAO.
    The cops were at the club at the end of the evening, how did it already record over itself.
    Sounds like Benny has been paying$$ some people.

  42. JPeezy says: Mar 25, 2010 10:22 AM

    “and look for the alleged victim’s lawyer to hammer the nightclub for failing to preserve video evidence that might have been incredibly useful to the overall pursuit of the truth.”
    Why would Ben not be the one suing the nightclub under these grounds??? That tape could have shown this girl was stumbling drunk and he never assaulted her. Ben stands to lose MUCH more from their failures to protect him than she does. Hopefully he sues the night club, the girl, and the internet hack who convicted him even though he will likely never even be charged with a crime.

  43. Steeler-lady says: Mar 25, 2010 10:23 AM

    Why would the police share info with a newspaper that they shared with a lawyer????? Ummm they had to tell the lawyer becus the club he represents SERVED THE UNDERAGER…DUH.
    Hell they could of destroyed the tape themselves to keep their own asses from being charged with serving a minor…….. that happens in alot of bars.
    why do you only spin shit against Ben?? Why not show all POSSIBILITIES of the story? Or do you believe women dont lie.. or try n extort money??????

  44. theraiderfan says: Mar 25, 2010 10:23 AM

    Big Ben can beat two rape chargers but he cant beat the RAIDERS.

  45. Steelcurtains says: Mar 25, 2010 10:23 AM

    Do you really think a high-priced lawyer would recommend that his client pay a person “to be quiet and not cooperate with the authorities”?? Wouldn’t that be Obstruction of Justice?? Come on people…get real. There wasn’t a pay-off. The girl was totally wasted, made up a story, and then when she sobered up she realized what she had done. It’s that simple really.

  46. FootballPhil says: Mar 25, 2010 10:24 AM

    # Steeler-lady says: March 25, 2010 10:12 AM
    Lol there wasnt no camera in the Bathroom fools. where she ALLEGED this occured.
    And she hasnt cooperated since the night of the incident either.. so its not like she just got scared.Lets not forget she isnt the one who called the police either.
    lol Have you ever seen a drunk chick>lol they tend to over dramatize EVERYTHING.
    Ive heard something TOTALLY different about the videotapes but dont have a website for you to refer too but lets say it could of incriminated her as well.
    Sorry to say if i was raped/assulted no amount of money would stop me from wanting justice.. so if she took money thats a clear sign she was out for a payday the whole time. Im not a money monger tho either.
    —————————————————–
    With your screen name of “Steeler Lady” we can definitely all come to the conclusion that you are not biased!
    The fact that you have some “secret website link” proving that what she did was criminal only proves that you are a moron. What did she do? Rape “Big Ben”? A fat 375 lb. man vs. a 20 year old girl?
    “There wasn’t no camera in the bathroom fools” Thanks for that little nugget of ignorance. It’s obvious you should try to get your GED before lecturing everyone about legal matters.

  47. UckTheFeagles says: Mar 25, 2010 10:24 AM

    One question…now that Rapelisberger has gotten away with this again, will he move on to trolling the high schools since his cover is blown with the college age crowd?

  48. pramis123 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:26 AM

    Time for Ben to go away. Hope Pitt fans have had enought and get rid of the guy. I was with him totally the first time, but this time around it really looks like he is very bad news. If that is my perception as someone who understands that some ladies will do anything to trap a big star and hope for a big payday, I can imagine what others who are not as open to these practices by ladies must be thinking. At this point, regardless of the truth, Ben is toast and a PR nightmare for the NFL and Pitt and they should cut their losses. Next time, he might not be able to get away with it and the NFL cannot afford to ride his sinking ship any longer.

  49. Gautam says: Mar 25, 2010 10:26 AM

    reg Florio’s doubt about deletion and overwriting – data is written in bits to the system, when you ‘delete’ it the data still exists on the hard drive while in this case the old data has been ‘overwritten’
    deletion is like removing the link to what was on the disk even though that information is still present on the disk until it gets overwritten by something else
    this is the reason you have so many recovery softwares out there

  50. theNICEone says: Mar 25, 2010 10:27 AM

    This skank used a fake ID that was confiscated 2 weeks ago and had a .2 blood/alcohol level????? I’m sorry but you don’t remember your name or anything that happened that night if your that banged up. She also is not willing to be re-interviewed? Sounds like someone got in over their head and knows she has NO EVIDENCE!

  51. joe6606 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:28 AM

    @ florio
    Umm..please explain why you post comments on stuff you dont know anything about.
    anyone who has even a smidge of computer knowledge, knows that data recovery from a deletion is simple. on the other hand, data that has been recorded over is, in most cases, unrecoverable.
    Also, when you are going to start advocating that the false accuser, who was more drunk than most of us have ever been in her life (> .2 wow) should be arrested for underage drinking + possesion of a fake id?

  52. IceBurgh says: Mar 25, 2010 10:28 AM

    “It doesn’t matter if she was drunk. Why even report that?”
    Um if she had a .20+ blood alcohol level the chances that her recall of events is accurate is significantly diminished.
    Therefore it’s absolutely relevant in a “he said, she said” situation.

  53. Axabad says: Mar 25, 2010 10:29 AM

    Although there are some women who falsely accuse men of rape, a large Majority of rape victims never come forward… fear, discrimination, feelings of disgrace, etc. So don’t pretend to know her reasons. She may or may not have been but a number of you show EXACTLY why women who have been don’t choose to come forward.
    My question is why didn’t the police secure the evidence that night? The club wasn’t necessarily required to give them up without a subpoena but the police should have told the on-duty manager to secure the evidence until the subpoena arrived IF they were unwilling to give it up voluntarily. Additionally, if they were asked and refused, then the evidence were destroyed… well, some charges should be filed there as well.

  54. Donna says: Mar 25, 2010 10:29 AM

    While I can appreciate the scrutiny around the circumstances of this pending case and I certainly agree that some actions surrounding the lack of video is questionable. I seriously take offense to some of the comments regarding the establishment. First, Ben was not in Pittsburgh, he was in a bar in the Georgia suberbs, therefore the comment about the “classiness” or lack thereof was totally uncalled for. Most suburban bars don’t have the extensive video like the ones in say New York, LA etc. have. We also don’t have the level of crime that they have nor do we serve up celebs on a regular basis. Lets not forget celebs become a target for one BIG reason, THEIR MONEY! I do think the trend of complaints against him should be a red flag and his employer (NFL commission) should be all over this and make certain he knows that his activity in his private life does matter when it comes to legal issues and maybe some type of probation needs to be levied so he takes the counseling seriously from here on.

  55. tombrookshire says: Mar 25, 2010 10:29 AM

    Here’ s a contrast for ya. Big Ben, having sex in the mop sink of a sleazy college town bar with a falling down drunk 20 year old co-ed. Tom Brady squiring Gisele and making babies with her. Ben’s either a major doof, a la Matt Leinert, or he has serious issues and should be in intensive therapy. Even Tony Romo dated Jessica Simpson. Hank Baskett has Kendra! Ben, wake up. Beautiful, rich, successful chicks would stand in line to sleep with you. Look at homely old Tiger Woods, man, no shortage of chicks to sleep with. Didn’t have to force a single one, either.

  56. Stihler fan says: Mar 25, 2010 10:30 AM

    This burns Florio’s fat ass. Now what will he have to write about that will bring out the legions of Steeler fans and the haters? Innocent! GO STEELERS!! HAHAHA!!!

  57. highjak78 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:31 AM

    Boy she was REALLY drunk (She was entertaining the thought of sexual relations with a fatass douche-bag…) – Fat Ben better hope nobody saw him buying her drinks – allegedly. Just another brick in the wall of rapistburger crumbling down….TIMBER STEELER FANS!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Sexual assault, underage consumption, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, tampering with evidence, lying to investigators – how many charges can this jerkoff wrap up before you people realize what a piece of garbage he is!!

  58. footballfan says: Mar 25, 2010 10:31 AM

    Maybe the club deleted it because it shows them serving more than one underage drunk chick. Think about it… if they have evidence that there were 20 or 30 underage kids in there they would be in for a huge fine and probably shut down.

  59. steeltownpride says: Mar 25, 2010 10:33 AM

    Seems to me that TC will be a media frenzy . Then after that all will go back to the way its suppose to be .
    Ben back with his teammates on a warpath for the 7th . Stop hating the Steelers and Big Ben . its almost over now . And its been reported that if Ben isnt charged he cant be suspended . At most Goodell will have a sit down with Ben . Maybe recommend a few things and be on his way .
    No one was paid off . No one is covering this up . Its about an underage female overreacting about the stinky pinky . She was 10 times the legal limit for an underage person . 2 times the legal limit for a person over 21 . No crime has happened. No apologies will occur from anyone .
    The draft is coming and time to concentrate on that .

  60. el_dude00 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:34 AM

    All this chatter about DVDs, hard drives, and data scanning…
    Florio knows tapes. Check the tapes. Tape don’t lie!

  61. steelerer says: Mar 25, 2010 10:36 AM

    Im trying to understand something florio. lets start with i dont think they have cameras in the womens bathroom, do you see a problem there, maybe a legal one? How about, why would the lawyer of the nightclub this happened at admit to a girl the age of 20 having a blood alchohol level of .20, see another small problem there?

  62. SaintsBucsPanthersSUKK says: Mar 25, 2010 10:37 AM

    Q) What do Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luster, & Hawaiian drug use offenders have in common?
    A) Dog the Bounty Hunter will getcha sometime.

  63. bigswifty1 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:37 AM

    So, all Ben has to do is give this girl some money and he can get away with whatever he wants? Our judicial system is being the enabler to a very, very troubled little boy. (‘Big’ Ben)

  64. Just JTO says: Mar 25, 2010 10:38 AM

    Steeler-lady … THANK YOU! Who in the world would take money to let a rape/sexual assault go away? If this UNDERAGE drunken skirt truly did that she is an even bigger scumbag than Big Ben could ever try to be.
    Like I said in a previous post when this girl hired an attorney a couple days after the “alleged” incident, I knew something was up. When you are raped or assaulted the D.A. prosecutes. You don’t need an attorney UNLESS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR MONEY!!!
    Once again, this was much ado about a rich, stupid, arrogant guy allowing himself to be in the wrong place at the wrong time because he isn’t smart enough to see the potential consequences. Now, is that a crime? Nope. But, yes, dumb business.

  65. drumbug71 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:39 AM

    I think Florio could have saved a lot of typing and thinking by summarizing the entire story into one paragraph:
    “I dont like Ben. I don’t trust Ben. And no matter what the legal process says, I say he’s guilty.”
    Maybe that will be stated in Florio’s “Last word” editorial :)
    But, in all honesty, I think the timing is conspicuous with all of these developments. Still, whatever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”?

  66. GoBrowns19 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:41 AM

    Well, it appears he’s getting away with this…but just ask O.J. how hard it is to remain a model citizen when you are anything but. Someone will get him eventually, but by then he’ll be out of the spotlight so he’ll go down.

  67. Rex Grossman says: Mar 25, 2010 10:42 AM

    Wow. I learned something new today. Thanks Mike Florio.

  68. Flimflam1 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:42 AM

    “Something’s fishy here, and I don’t mean big ben’s fingers.”

    “Big Ben can beat two rape chargers but he cant beat the RAIDERS.”
    Wow. Classic.

  69. Bens Attorney says: Mar 25, 2010 10:42 AM

    Again Florio , speculation.
    the story about the DNA was that Ben’s Atty had contacted the GBI a week ago not TUes and told them that Ben would give them a sample and they said they didnt need it that was last week. And I repeat not Tues,
    The girl has not cooperated with the police since she made the accusation and what the accusation was made on the 5th. not Wensday,.
    Maybe with a blood alchol level of .20 then maybe that is why she was obviously well over the legal limit , and when she sobered up and seen the news or her upset parents she realized what she had done.
    And as far as them not securing the video that falls back on the police, as you pointed out that should have been gotten the night of the incident , That is not Ben or his attorney responsiblitly . That shows that the Milledgeville police department and the GBI not as good as investigators as they led eveyone to believe. They dropped the ball on that one big time.
    And I had read that her blood alchol was that high a good while ago on another blog. So yes you got scooped on that one as did LaCuntfora your reliable “source”.
    So Florio what you are saying is that because she was well over the legal alchol limit, thr GBI or police didnt secure the video and that there was no DNA to compare to Bens and that she has not been cooperating since the beginning, That he paid her off. I have to laugh at that. These are things that happened well before this week,
    Well I will give you and E for effort but I for one am not falling for it. But I can see now why you failed as a lawyer and are a blog writer. But keepup the good work .

  70. FootballPhil says: Mar 25, 2010 10:43 AM

    “My question is why didn’t the police secure the evidence that night? The club wasn’t necessarily required to give them up without a subpoena but the police should have told the on-duty manager to secure the evidence until the subpoena arrived IF they were unwilling to give it up voluntarily. Additionally, if they were asked and refused, then the evidence were destroyed… well, some charges should be filed there as well.”
    The police could have seized the video that night without a subpoena. It’s called exigent circumstances. If they reasonably believed that said evidence could be destroyed they could have taken it until an affadavit was signed. They were just too busy getting autographs and pictures.

  71. Spoonthis says: Mar 25, 2010 10:43 AM

    @ rickah8888
    The movie will be out real soon and RebaT will play Andrea McNutty with Jody Foster starring as the nameless girl from Georgia.

  72. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:46 AM

    So if the girl is drunk she can be raped? I hate it when people use this to explain sexual assualts and rapes on college campuses.

  73. FootballPhil says: Mar 25, 2010 10:47 AM

    How does a video show who is under 21? Are these people walking around with their Driver’s licenses attached to their face? Some people need some serious help here. Thank you for dumbing down our once great country!
    Or maybe you can tell the difference between a 19/20 year old from a 21 year old

  74. Easy Ed says: Mar 25, 2010 10:48 AM

    So, the girl was completely wasted. All that means is that Ben preyed on a drunk underaged gal (totally pathetic that the millionaire NFL QB goes after 20-year olds in Georgia). He needs to grow up fast or bad things will result.

  75. drumbug71 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:48 AM

    Ralph says:
    March 25, 2010 10:17 AM
    Don’t forget to rewind your DVDs before you send them back to the video store….
    ________________________________
    That’s hysterical!

  76. Startled Armadillo says: Mar 25, 2010 10:49 AM

    First, if her blood alcohol level was 0.2, and she is only 20 years old…somebody needs to be in trouble for serving her alcohol (either the club or Ben).
    Second, with a BAC in excess of 0.2% (as reported), a person is typically dazed, confused, and disoriented, with severe motor impairment (ie may need help walking). Blackouts are also a possibility, so it’s quite possible that you may not remember what happened. This girl was beyond just being drunk.
    If Ben had any sort of “relations” with this girl, it would have been painfully obvious that she was out of it…any self-respecting person with any sort morals would know better than to try to take advantage of a girl in that state (even if she did say yes).
    Maybe she isn’t talking to police now because she can’t remember what happened. Maybe the club let the video overwrite because they didn’t want to be in trouble for serving the girl. Maybe the video showed a 6’5″ pervert taking advantage of a girl that could barely walk. Who knows.
    But it looks like someone is going to get away with something here…

  77. Bens Attorney says: Mar 25, 2010 10:52 AM

    @ Joe 6606
    Also, when you are going to start advocating that the false accuser, who was more drunk than most of us have ever been in her life (> .2 wow) should be arrested for underage drinking + possesion of a fake id?
    Because she is the “Poor Victim” that got taken advantage of and he name isnt Ben Roethlisberger and she doesnt play for the Steelers.

  78. seals says: Mar 25, 2010 10:55 AM

    Vick gets the book thrown at him for hurting dogs,,,,,,dogs. I agreed with punishment being a pet lover. That being said I also have a daughter.
    OJ & Rapistberger prey on and attack women and somehow we let them off the hook. This country has it’s priorities totally F’d.
    I’m a football rube but how much more can I support this bullshit and feel good about myself.
    Piss off Ben and everyone who tries to defend you!

  79. spyboots says: Mar 25, 2010 10:57 AM

    Perhaps the bar didn’t want evidence that they were serving customers without wristbands.

  80. Citizen Strange says: Mar 25, 2010 10:58 AM

    It’s almost identical to how Roger Goodell had the Patriot’s illegal tapes destroyed a nanosecond after acquiring them.

  81. 123456789 says: Mar 25, 2010 10:59 AM

    Ridiculous spin, Startled. Idiot.
    Anyway, I’m tired of hearing about drunken, Jezabel sluts trying to take guys for a ride.
    All you women are evil whores. You will always be inferior to men. Dig, bitches?

  82. sugarlips says: Mar 25, 2010 10:59 AM

    ROFL @ Mooch
    Big Ben – The Fredo Corleone of the NFL.
    AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  83. pondbridge says: Mar 25, 2010 11:00 AM

    Ben’s becoming the reincarnation of former Steeler QB and bon vivant Bobby Layne. What’s is this now, 4 non-events of this type? Watch the Steelers make a surprise move for a QB. Big Ben will be a Raid-Duh in three years, which is like being banished to Arena2.

  84. kris21054 says: Mar 25, 2010 11:02 AM

    So lets see her BAC was .20 and Big Ben still admitted to sexual contact…. I thought if u had sexual contact with someone while they r drunk it is statatory rape? I could be wrong I am not a fancy lawyer like Florio

  85. The Real Shuxion says: Mar 25, 2010 11:07 AM

    First off I am in the IT industry, and I have worked for both Large corporations and small companies. NEVER have I heard of recording security footage to DVD’s.
    Question 1: How does a days worth of video fit on a regular DVD? A double sided dual layer disc is like 15GB but it is only in the DVD+R format. A days worth of video is probably around 12 GB. The highest capacity DVD that can be a DVD+RW is about 8.5GB
    Question 2: What the f-ck is the point of a security system if you aren’t going to not tape over the DVD of the night the alleged crime took place?
    Question 3: Why do Steeler fans whine about people calling Ben names when they call the woman a gold-digger, slut, whore and such.
    (I know that answer, because they are the biggest douchebags fans in the league)
    Question 4: Why will we see Go PENS! in posts when the NHL playoffs start? Like 7 years ago the team was going to move or contract because nobody went to the games. What kind of fandom is that?
    Question 5: If she was never carded why is the club still open or why can they still serve booze?
    Question 6: If Ben bought her a drink is he liable in anyway to any type of charges?

  86. Heart Of Steel says: Mar 25, 2010 11:08 AM

    The club is obviously trying to cover-up serving this underage girl. If you read previous reports, they insisted that they did not serve her alcohol. SHE HAD A FAKE ID THAT SAID SHE WAS 21, so why would they not serve her???? It seems to me that this “cover-up” is all the club’s doing, not Ben trying to cover things up. I didn’t believe this story from Day 1 and I still don’t think he did anything wrong other than put himself in a bad situation. The drunk chick probably wanted to hook-up with a Two-Time Super Bowl QB, then go back to tell her sorority sisters in Hickville, GA. NFL player or not, he is a single 28 year old male who has every right to get some action. Of course, at a bar in a tiny town in GA is prob not the best place to get some. Remember, NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN MADE, JUST ALLEGATIONS. The only thing Big Ben is guilty of is putting himself in a situation that he should not have been in….drinking beers with some cops, O-linemen, and a bunch of college kids. The case will be dismissed and all of you Steeler-Haters will continue to rant, without any basis than ALLEGATIONS from money-grubbing wh0res. Hey, I would probably do the same thing if I envied the most successful team in the NFL…

  87. Bdrunk says: Mar 25, 2010 11:08 AM

    Chapnasty2 says:
    March 25, 2010 10:46 AM
    “So if the girl is drunk she can be raped? I hate it when people use this to explain sexual assualts and rapes on college campuses. ”
    This girl wasn’t raped. Sorry, try again.

  88. Stihler fan says: Mar 25, 2010 11:08 AM

    Correction: Big Ben has not beaten the Raiders, YET. That will change this year!! And all you haters can hate on him for a long time because he will be playing from the first game, until the very last game of the entire NFL season. He will win that last game and thus Big #7 will bring the Steelers Big #7. COUNT’EM! Seven!!!!!

  89. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says: Mar 25, 2010 11:08 AM

    Wow, this gets crazier by the day. I hope he is innocent, that this goes away, and he keeps his career going for the sake of football. Steeler fans are incredibly obnoxious, but they have cause to be, and Ben is on his way to being one of the all-time greats. My point, if you look at it purely from the stand point of what is “good” for football, you can’t deny Ben needs to come back. BUT, if he is guilty, he deserves whatever he gets. We’re all just jerkoffs making assumptions, some of us are jerkoffs that want him to go down, and some are jerkoffs that are blindly loyal to Ben/Steelers, but NONE OF US KNOWS MORE THAN THE OTHER. For people to condescend each other on here is a great example of why football fans have a rep for being clowns. Dear Steeler Fanatic, you don’t know Ben Roethlisberger, you know his name. And vice versa. Florio, as a lawyer, you could possibly make some sort of effort to either insert some expertise, or have an attorney with relevant experience comment on the site. Why spend all that time, effort and money to earn your J.D. to publish regurgitated gossip based on the hard work of others? Could’ve saved the money and majored in Communications.

  90. Spoonthis says: Mar 25, 2010 11:09 AM

    @ highjakass78
    It is not Ben’s job to ID everyone in the bar. That would be the up to the bar and it’s employees you dumb ass. If Ben was serving her alcohol at his house it would be different. I love all of the charges that you post. Do you work for the DA? The GA police? Didn’t think so. Now shut the f*ck up until you can post something that might make sence. So which AFC North team do you root for?
    @ pramis123
    What might Ben not be able to get away with next? Abiding by the law? Being innocent? I love how you people keep talking about multiple rapes and patterns of behavior. Just because some of you have never had sex / can’t get laid does not make Ben’s actions rape. He does need to stay away the bars if he is smart but he can just as easily be accused of these things in his own home.

  91. ItalianArmyGuy says: Mar 25, 2010 11:10 AM

    Goodell had the tapes destroyed, lest some other NFL club get their hands on them and “gain a competitive advantage” a-la the Patriots and their SpyGate cheating tapes.
    You have just about put 2 and 2 together here Florio, but the key factors are the destruction of videotapes and the involvement of Goodell.
    The scary thing for the accuser is that Goodell may soon decide that she needs to be destroyed, for the good of the league, as well.

  92. DoctorK says: Mar 25, 2010 11:11 AM

    As usual, the just-crawled-out-from-under-the-rock crowd over in the armpit of our state–Philadelphia–has gotten out of bed. You know, the city where the cheerleaders can’t do splits because they stick to the turf. Aw, but at least the best Philly gal has most of her teeth, brown or not.
    Anyway, a note to tombrookshire—
    Hank can have his used goods and as far as Tom, the man is a true saint. Stay with a woman, get her pregnant and then leave.
    I just want to be around long enough to see one of these girl’s dads or brothers stomp the athlete who pulls this shit.
    Great choices, tom.

  93. Capt. James T. Kirk says: Mar 25, 2010 11:14 AM

    I don’t know which is more ridiculous…the rectal rashes on here that assume that Ben has an unlimited bank account and can pay off everyone from girl to police to bar owner to dvd wiper or Cpt Ahab Florio and his unending quest to spear his whale (the steelers). I sorta have to go with Florio cause most of the posters here couldn’t find their ass with two hands and a hint. Mike, Mike, Mike…I know it must sting to see this case unravel before your eyes, but you know what, I bet it is the same sting the Cardinals felt in the SB and the Packers felt last season when Ben nailed that TD in closing seconds. The best remedy for that sting is wrap yourself up in a black and gold Snuggie and go with it. Maybe even a Terrible Towel to wipe those tears away.
    I am not going to look this up on Wiki or any other web site, but I am guessing you are/were/will be again a defense lawayer? That can be the only explanation for the amount of subterfuge and misdirection you report on. Really…who gives a flip if Palmer thinks Ben’s an a-hole? I’m surprised you couldn’t find some “source” that said Palmer was in the next stall and heard heavy breathing and banging. It must really give you a boner to know that as a journalist/lawyer you can report from “sources” and never reveal them, even if they are Clyde the orangutang, Gumby, and that wino down on 5th St that will swear he was at the Resurrection
    for a bottle of Thunderbird.
    In recap:
    Innuendos and baseless rumors=bad
    black and gold Snuggie=good

  94. spyboots says: Mar 25, 2010 11:16 AM

    1. The police probably didn’t ask for the DVD the night of the alleged incident because the hospital found no evidence on the girl and the police found no evidence in the VIP area unisex restroom (it wasn’t a “women’s” restroom).
    2. It was the BAR’s responsibility to ascertain her age, not Ben’s.

  95. Reasonable says: Mar 25, 2010 11:17 AM

    Did any of you ever stop to think maybe she did a couple of shots AFTER Rothlesburger roughed her up? I know I’ve had a shot or three to calm my nerves during a stressful moment.

  96. Brocktoberfest says: Mar 25, 2010 11:18 AM

    Either way, no criminal case can proceed without a cooperative victim.
    Except for:
    Homicides
    Domestic Violence Cases
    FYI — its the State’s case, not the victim’s. Most victim’s see the proverbial light and end up cooperating or they get charged.

  97. BuckFigBen says: Mar 25, 2010 11:19 AM

    Well, Ben still has his pride. All he did was take advantage of a drunk 20 year old in a dirty bathroom while his body guard stood watch at the door. ahahahahaha
    He has two SB rings and will always be a loser…go figure.

  98. Steeler-lady says: Mar 25, 2010 11:21 AM

    lol Startled .. someone drunk could of easily fell down n bumped her head and thought someone pushed her too… u forgot that side of the story. Someone drunk could also gotten completly dramatic over the slightest thing too..
    There wouldnt of been no video of anything . ..she claimed it happened in a bathroom.. where there is no cameras! Unless there is and the club destroyed that becus that would be illegal to have!
    Once again.. Ben met the girl IN THE CLUB… so everyone is to believe she is of age.. thats the clubs responsibility to make sure of that…You yourself could buy a drink for someone not knowin they arent of age.. the club is the ones who are suppose to make sure they are of age.
    Lol@ someone with the name EASY ED calling anyone pervert……Why cant it be she was drunk hanging all over him??>

  99. Bell63 says: Mar 25, 2010 11:22 AM

    That seems incredibly stupid or deliberate by the club to not keep that videotape. They must have known immediately that there were potential legal implications, and if nothing was wrongly done on their part, you would think they would want it saved to help their reputation/potential criminal problems.
    As far as the woman hiring an attorney – pretty irrelevant I think. Whether she is a true victim or not, she’s going to deal with people from the media trying to contact her, potentially Ben’s lawyers, etc. It is a smart thing to do, and probably something her parents were behind.

  100. CanadianVikingFan says: Mar 25, 2010 11:25 AM

    “Now, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports that the alleged victim had a blood alcohol concentration in excess of 0.20 percent, a very high number suggesting significant intoxication. Still, the information comes not from police, but from the lawyer representing the nightclub where the alleged incident occurred.”
    ————————————-
    That is all just hearsay evidence so it is no good for making a case, unless they had a certified Technician for breathe analyzers, nothing the Cop says nor the lawyer for the nightclub etc. is valid, because they are not trained in this.
    At least this is how it would go in Canadian Law.

  101. thc916 says: Mar 25, 2010 11:25 AM

    Startled Armadillo, I completely agree. She was effin’ hammered if she truly had a BAC of .20. What a piece of crap for taking advantage of someone that could barely walk. Florio, what does GA law say concerning whether a drunk individual can give consent? Either way, what a piece of crap!
    This is what the Department of Alcohol and Drug Prevention says:
    Blood Alcohol
    Concentration Changes in Feelings
    and Personality Physical and Mental
    Impairments:
    0.01 — 0.06 Relaxation
    Sense of Well-being
    Loss of Inhibition
    Lowered Alertness
    Joyous Thought
    Judgment
    Coordination
    Concentration
    0.06 — 0.10
    Blunted Feelings
    Disinhibition
    Extroversion
    Impaired Sexual Pleasure Reflexes Impaired
    Reasoning
    Depth Perception
    Distance Acuity
    Peripheral Vision
    Glare Recovery
    0.11 — 0.20
    Over-Expression
    Emotional Swings
    Angry or Sad
    Boisterous Reaction Time
    Gross Motor Control
    Staggering
    Slurred Speech
    0.21 — 0.29
    Stupor
    Lose Understanding
    Impaired Sensations
    Severe Motor Impairment
    Loss of Consciousness
    Memory Blackout

  102. Outlaw Jersey Whales says: Mar 25, 2010 11:26 AM

    Ben and the owners of Capital City brought in the crack digital video data management team from Belichick, Goodell and Associates!

  103. bluehaze says: Mar 25, 2010 11:27 AM

    If her blood alcohol was that high then I would say it certainly wouldn’t qualify as “consensual” sexual contact. Sounds more like date rape to me.
    Seems like none of it matters anymore though. It’s amazing what a little money can do for you in our legal system. He likely doesn’t go to jail but he has singlehandedly ruined the Steelers image and will forever be known as “rapistberger” and i’m sure eventually karma will catch up with him much the same as it did with OJ.

  104. jlbay says: Mar 25, 2010 11:29 AM

    I think this article is a bit of a stretch, and a lot of grasping at straws.
    First you are linking these latest developments to the comments by Goodell three days ago . . . that alone is a real stretch . . . the blood alcohol level of the accuser would have been sent to the lab way before the last three days . . . and Goodell’s comments wouldn’t have had any impact in those results.
    Second, it makes sense the the police would share this with the owner of a bar that the accuser was known to be in . . . she is only 20 y/o . . . so the police should be asking the owner of the bar questions like “do you have any knowledge of how a twenty year old who visited your establishment ended up with a Blood Alcohol Content of 0.2?”
    Third, if I was the owner of the bar and knew that questions would eventually arise about how the accuser ended up with a BOC of 0.2; and my bar tapes potentially contained evidence that she drank alcohol in my establishment . . . I too would allow the DVD to record over itself . . . and again back to the attempt to link Goodell’s comments . . . it is highly unlikely that the bar put the DVD back into the system in the last three days and recorded over the content. More than likely the owner simply instructed his employees to leave the DVD in the equipment and allow the system to record over that night, unless specifically instructed otherwise by the police, GBI or District Attorney’s office.
    So it makes no sense timing wise, that the events that led to these outcomes where initiated withint the past 3 days; and more likely than not the surfacing of this information has nothing to do with Goodell’s comments.

  105. amused10 says: Mar 25, 2010 11:32 AM

    Florio you are a joke..First of all TMZ is reminding everyone that the police did in fact look a the video at the beginning of the investigation, and that there was nothing there they could use..Do you get paid by the comment?
    Because I think you just put up the things you think will get alot of comments..You don’t give the whole story..You should check other media outlets to get your story right, because you sure don’t..

  106. RumorHater says: Mar 25, 2010 11:33 AM

    Does anyone know of Big Ben’s BAC that night?

  107. FootballPhil says: Mar 25, 2010 11:35 AM

    # Capt. James T. Kirk says: March 25, 2010 11:14 AM
    I don’t know which is more ridiculous…the rectal rashes on here that assume that Ben has an unlimited bank account and can pay off everyone from girl to police to bar owner to dvd wiper or Cpt Ahab Florio and his unending quest to spear his whale (the steelers). I sorta have to go with Florio cause most of the posters here couldn’t find their ass with two hands and a hint. Mike, Mike, Mike…I know it must sting to see this case unravel before your eyes, but you know what, I bet it is the same sting the Cardinals felt in the SB and the Packers felt last season when Ben nailed that TD in closing seconds. The best remedy for that sting is wrap yourself up in a black and gold Snuggie and go with it. Maybe even a Terrible Towel to wipe those tears away.
    I am not going to look this up on Wiki or any other web site, but I am guessing you are/were/will be again a defense lawayer? That can be the only explanation for the amount of subterfuge and misdirection you report on. Really…who gives a flip if Palmer thinks Ben’s an a-hole? I’m surprised you couldn’t find some “source” that said Palmer was in the next stall and heard heavy breathing and banging. It must really give you a boner to know that as a journalist/lawyer you can report from “sources” and never reveal them, even if they are Clyde the orangutang, Gumby, and that wino down on 5th St that will swear he was at the Resurrection
    for a bottle of Thunderbird.
    In recap:
    Innuendos and baseless rumors=bad
    black and gold Snuggie=good
    ——————————————————
    Way to bring the sport into yet another sexual assault case involving your hero. Super Bowl and regular season wins mean nothing here. Separate the sport for the off the field activities. I know it must hurt to realize you worship a miscreant. You’re like those psychotic loser women who marry the death row inmates and insist on national TV that “I know he’s innocent because he loves me and never lies to me”
    I might give him the benefit of the doubt the first time, but not the second. Maybe you struggle with this because once again you found used condoms in your wife’s purse and she told you she was holding them for a friend for 3 straight weeks. Wake up guy and you’re obviously a raging nerd “Capt. Kirk”

  108. Holeinone09 says: Mar 25, 2010 11:36 AM

    Here is what is curious—how this thing could drag out so damn long when it is reported that the girl has not wanted to be interviewed, while Ben has been been crucified (not that he doesn’t deserve some of it for his public behavior for someone in his position). Ben will not be charged with a damn thing except failure to use better judgement, and he better get that message loud and clear for the future.
    It is now time for the Georgia DA to do the right thing and announce an end to the lynching of Ben and let everyone move on. Just do it.

  109. 123456789 says: Mar 25, 2010 11:36 AM

    Ha! Look at the Raiders @$$ talking trash. The Oakland Raiders organization has been the biggest joke in the NFL for 20 years.
    Let me see….the next time the Oakland Raiders will when a Super Bowl…
    …..NEVER!
    HA!
    Now, punk, you can resume sticking you nose up Al Davis’ sorry @$$.

  110. 123456789 says: Mar 25, 2010 11:40 AM

    Chapnasty is an idiot Dallas Cowboys fan. They are all @$$wipes.

  111. rickah8888 says: Mar 25, 2010 11:41 AM

    @ The Real Shuxion,
    1) Maybe is was BD-RW, wheras Blu-ray recordables can hold 100gb of data with some newer brands holding as much as 200gb.
    2)aren’t not going to tape over….huh?
    3)It hasn’t been proven that she ISN’T a whore yet. Furthrmore, Steer&Queer Cowboys fans are the most ignorant as demonstarted over-n-over on this site.
    4)I agree, Pittsburgh fanboy will jump on the Pirates bandwagon as soon they break .500 anytime AFTER April.
    5)Because she was not charged….yet!
    6)Has Ben’s bar tab been labeled “Exhibit A”?

  112. Outlaw Jersey Whales says: Mar 25, 2010 11:45 AM

    Mooch says:
    March 25, 2010 9:57 AM
    So, Roger told Ben to pay her off and stay away from the clubs.
    Makes sense to me. He’s like Michael Corleone looking after Fredo.
    ————————————————–
    When’s the fishing trip?
    “Hail Mary — full of grace — the lord is with thee — blessed art thou amongst women — and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary — Mother of God — pray for us sinners — “

  113. Steeler-lady says: Mar 25, 2010 11:49 AM

    lmao @kris not knowing what statatory rape is. LOL
    Lol sexual contact could be a HUG!

  114. footballfan says: Mar 25, 2010 11:49 AM

    @Football Phil.
    You can identify people with video. It is done all the time. If they can identify Ben and the girl why not anyone else? If you think that they cant get someones age after identification you need to start paying attention to the world around you. Seems you are the one dumbing down America. Before you start throwing rocks you may want to think about WTF you are typing.

  115. tryagain says: Mar 25, 2010 11:50 AM

    @Steeler-lady says:
    Lol there wasnt no camera in the Bathroom fools. where she ALLEGED this occured.
    i question your anatomy, dear steeler-lady. you seem way too dumb, at least in written form, to be an actual female.

  116. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 12:01 PM

    So the Georgia woman is either acting on advice of counsel … or not? Interesting analysis (she says with tongue in cheek).
    The police said long ago there were no cameras in the vicinity where the alleged incident occurred OR in the VIP lounge where Ben and his friends spent the evening. So it’s unlikely any film would have had an impact on this case. But film could have shown the club knowingly selling to minors. You don’t suppose that would have been a bigger concern to the club than Ben Roethlisberger, do you? Nah.
    You are loving this, aren’t you Mike? Click magnet! And if you shred a man’s reputation with irresponsible speculation … well, that’s the price he pays for fame, isn’t it?
    The good news is that for all the idiots that still come onto PFT and call Ray Lewis a murderer years after his exoneration (yes, I know a lot of them are Steelers fans), it hasn’t stopped him from enjoying a mega-successful career–and, I hope, a good life. May the same happen for Ben.

  117. missy says: Mar 25, 2010 12:03 PM

    I have been reading on this since it happened and have not formed an opinion one way or the other , I like unlike some people do not like to speculate.
    But here are things that I found odd.
    This young lady said that she was sexually assaulted or sexually manipulated, by a 6’5 241 llb brown haired, brown eyed- white male. I found that odd, especially when I googled Ben’s name and seen “hey that is what is written in his player stats’ And how would a victim know exactly what her assailant weighed. And she never named him when she reported this. Well to me she spent all evening with him , and was photgraphed with him, how did she not know his name.
    So again I waited, then a couple days later , I read that she hired a personal attorney that specializes in civil suits. Uh Sorry people red flag #two.
    Then , I kept seeing interviews and reading that the Investigators kept mentioning that they wanted a DNA sample from Ben and that they wanted to talk to him, and made it sound like he wasnt complying and then later they would say that him and his attorney and everyone in his party were fully cooperating.
    Then it was reported that the victim and her sorority were asked to take down all Facebook and Twitter pages and they asked the kids at the college not to talk to anyone. I see other people found that as odd as I did.
    I read other articles and what not that said that she was seen with him in 3 different bars and that at no time did any witness say that he was acting inappropriately or was actually drunk. Witnesses stated that he was seen at the Brick watching a game and said that he ‘nursed” a beer.
    I read stories that she was hysterical and stuff like that , that she had dropped out of school and basically went in to hiding. That I did not find odd. That is normal for a true victim. I then started to think maybe he did do this.
    But this is where I really started having doubt, in her story.
    Per statement issued from her Attorney that she attended a weekend retreat within one week after the assault because she needed to get away and they said she acted fine and per her Attorney she was returning to school. Well that is not consistent with a true assault victim.
    Then now after weeks of the Investigators mentioning and every news outlet mentioning that Ben has not given any DNA sample, and never mentioned that the accuser had not been cooperating all along. They now say they dont need it. Well that is not odd at all, they have to have something to compare it to and from what I read from the statement that Ben’s Defense Attorney said the he called them last week and said that they would provide a sample. They were told that they would not be needing it , because there was nothing to compare it to.
    Then yesterday, they report that she is refusing to be interviewed. Well that I do find odd. If she was truely a victim she would be pushing hard , I mean she took the hardest step in actually reporting it. She is protected by the media by not releasing her name. Why not cooperate and put your attacker in jail? How could anyone be harrasing her , no one besides her classmate , knew who she was.
    So this about the video, there was a key part left out of this conspiracy theory. The investagators do have video that was given to them, by someone in Ben’s entourage. They have video proof of this woman with Ben before the alledged incident occured.
    So , why would Ben pay the bar to cover up tape, when there was footage already in the possesion of the police of him with the girl . They did not say one way or the other if they have footage of how they went to the bathroom.
    The Bar has alot more to gain by covering up, I mean if there was cameras in the VIP room it would have showed that she was drinking and it is now known that she is not 21.
    They will not comment on what was on the video that one of Ben’s friends gave them, and the interviewed all of his friends last week , they have been in possesion of this since.
    So maybe was that the straw that broke the accusers back and showed that maybe things were not as the police in Georgia would have liked people to believe. Time will tell , as I am sure all will be revealed. But I dont think that the accuser was paid.

  118. Steeler-lady says: Mar 25, 2010 12:04 PM

    If you read the whole story about the Dna… its been a WEEK since the police said they no longer needed dna.. which means YOUR BEHIND the entire investigation!

  119. anjelmanning says: Mar 25, 2010 12:07 PM

    Great story Florio… Something is really fishy about all this, I hope if Ben is guilty, that the 20 yr old does the right thing and embarasses the shit outta Ben. It’s 2010, if Tiger’s situation got brought to light, this definitely should be brought to light and Ben should be suspended indefinitely for at least a full season or two..

  120. stiller43 says: Mar 25, 2010 12:10 PM

    So…she’s not talking to authorities…she was hammered the night of the ‘incident’…there’s no DNA evidence to prove he was anywhere even near her…I don’t think a criminal case would have a single toe to stand on.

  121. Axabad says: Mar 25, 2010 12:14 PM

    For the people crying for evidence against Ben due to the girl being “so drunk” or at .2 BAC… its HEARSAY that she was even that drunk. Its one biased person’s version of the supposed facts. Its called Spin!!
    That lawyer isn’t in a court, so he doesn’t have to tell the truth about what was said or if he has real knowledge. What? She gonna sue him too? Highly unlikely.
    Better for the club to claim she was drunk so badly that she can’t clearly know what happened. They may get hit with some minor charges and fines. HOWEVER, if in a civil suit, they would have contributed to a degree to the crime and might get hit with a much higher civil judgment. Losing their business or a lot of money definitely cranks up their bias.

  122. Kaz says: Mar 25, 2010 12:14 PM

    We all know she was paid off. If at all she was drinking underage. Who provided it to her? The same one who watched her “slip and fall and bust her eye”? After or before he had “no relations” with that women.
    Big Bens signing bonus took a hit. But it was a smart move.

  123. Pervy Harvin says: Mar 25, 2010 12:15 PM

    Breaking News:
    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell favors a proposal that would modify the way the NFL handles overtime situations. This is being called “The Ben Roethlisberger Rule”. You can’t end the game until she’s untied.

  124. The Real Shuxion says: Mar 25, 2010 12:18 PM

    rickah8888 says:
    March 25, 2010 11:41 AM
    @ The Real Shuxion,
    1) Maybe is was BD-RW, wheras Blu-ray recordables can hold 100gb of data with some newer brands holding as much as 200gb.
    ————————————————-
    *Slaps own forehead* BLU-RAY, I totally forgot about that one.
    Thank you for reminding me of that one.

  125. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 25, 2010 12:21 PM

    “Look, I know you look very young and it’s obvious that you’ve had too much to drink, based on the fact that you need assistance standing up, but would you like to have sex with me in that bathroom over there? Yes, that one right there, the one that looks like we could both contract hepatitis by touching the walls. I know I’m a 28 year old, two time Super Bowl champion NFL quarterback, who recently signed a $100 million contract, but having sex in THAT bathroom, in this college town, with a woman who is obviously 8 years my junior, is my number one priority right now. I also ate Play-Doh when I was a kid. Strange, I don’t know why I brought that up just now.” – Ben Roethlisbgerger 03/05/2010

  126. Axabad says: Mar 25, 2010 12:23 PM

    As far as the girl getting a lawyer, why wouldn’t she? So its better for her to be played by either side, instead of having someone specifically in her corner? What if she doesn’t feel she can trust the authorities to do “the right thing”? Her own lawyer can point out the mistakes publicly for her, so she doesn’t feel the wrath of Ben supporters, blind Steeler supporters, and whoever else feels that she’s just a money-grubbing drunk slut?
    Not saying all Ben supporters and blind Steeler supporters think of her in this light. I’m sure some are just too pro-Ben or pro-Steelers to separate the legal/societal aspects of this case from the football product. I personally don’t care about the football ramifications for any team IF one of their players commits a crime. I’m not convicting Ben at all. There is a lot more needed to be learned about the case before I would say he did it.

  127. FloriosHairHat says: Mar 25, 2010 12:23 PM

    “# leatherneck says: March 25, 2010 9:58 AM
    It doesn’t matter if she was drunk. Why even report that?”
    Seriously?
    She was at 250% of the legal limit of 0.8 to be considered drunk.
    IOW she was shitfaced beyond all measure of reason and logic. As in falling down in bathrooms shitfaced. As in doing ten guys and not remembering shitfaced.
    And yet you don’t think this may have played a role in her judgment or actions that night?
    She’s already displayed bad judgment (I know, Ben did too) by being underage and drunk stupid in a nightclub.
    I’d say this matters.
    You OTOH must be from West Virginia…

  128. dave says: Mar 25, 2010 12:33 PM

    security systems often overwrite footage every day or couple of days
    as for the deleting line
    if footage is deleted rather than overwritten, it’s got a chance of being salvaged via an undelete process where police , or anyone with that type of knowledge, can get deleted files, because often times, things you delete, aren’t fully deleted , they’re still on your harddrive

  129. Bill In DC says: Mar 25, 2010 12:41 PM

    “there’s no DNA evidence to prove he was anywhere even near her…I don’t think a criminal case would have a single toe to stand on.”
    Except Rothlisberger is admitting that there was sexual contact, so there is no need to prove he was ‘anywhere near her’. He says they had sex.

  130. CT Stiller says: Mar 25, 2010 12:41 PM

    Well now we know why you didn’t stick with your law career.
    As for the idiots eating up Florio’s “theories” you are a sad, sad bunch.

  131. flimflamfinfan says: Mar 25, 2010 12:42 PM

    THERE’S AN EXPLAINATION
    It may not be a very good one, but from TMZ [note the Update]:
    A lawyer for Capital City told the Pittsburgh Tribune Review the footage has been erased — and produced the following explanation: “The DVD system overwrote itself … Had it just been deleted, they might have been able to save some of it.”
    But this information directly contradicts what bar owner Rocky Duncan repeatedly told TMZ in the wake of the alleged incident — dude not only said he had video, but Duncan described the footage in great detail.
    Duncan told TMZ the video clearly showed Ben and his 20-year-old accuser hanging out before the alleged incident and cops speaking with Ben afterward. Duncan was quick to point out that the video did not show Ben and his accuser going towards the bathroom where the alleged incident took place.
    UPDATE: The lawyer for the club tells TMZ cops watched the video with Rocky “shortly” after the alleged incident — but cops did not take the video with them at that time.
    The lawyer tells us cops returned to collect the tape — and that’s when they noticed the footage had been erased.
    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0jCv2X0VH

  132. FootballPhil says: Mar 25, 2010 12:44 PM

    # footballfan says: March 25, 2010 11:49 AM
    @Football Phil.
    You can identify people with video. It is done all the time. If they can identify Ben and the girl why not anyone else? If you think that they cant get someones age after identification you need to start paying attention to the world around you. Seems you are the one dumbing down America. Before you start throwing rocks you may want to think about WTF you are typing.
    ——————————————————–
    Right moron, let’s use police resources (detectives, investigators) to identify the felony offense of underage drinking. Got any murders, drug trafficking, prostitution in your city? Not important to you, but those damned underage drinkers are going down hard! Please do us a favor and draw yourself a nice warm bath, light some candles, put on some soft music and open up your wrists so we don’t have to be tortured by your useless existence.

  133. CincyAllDaWay says: Mar 25, 2010 12:46 PM

    Further proof of what a HUGE piece of shit Ben really is! Knows damn well he’s guilty so pull out the check book. Pays off the bar to lose the video. He’s without a doubt the biggest pussy in the NFL. No back bone!

  134. casey0413 says: Mar 25, 2010 12:46 PM

    I am truly amazed when looking at the times that every single one of these posts come through. Are all of you unemployed, or just wasting your company’s valuable time instead of being more productive. Unreal.

  135. SteelTown_6 says: Mar 25, 2010 12:54 PM

    What good would a recording have done anyway?
    Haven’t they already established that there was NO camera in the room where this “alleged” incident took place? Besides, it’s beginning to sound as though a missing recording might actually benefit HER.
    Now there’s no evidence showing her coming out of that room laughing, or falling down drunk.
    I’ll tell what’s going on…
    – She doesn’t remember WHAT she said to the cops that night.
    – Her lawyer is a civil attorney, meaning he’s only in this for the $, NOT a conviction.
    – He probably planned on letting the cops do all his work for him, hoping they would run the investigation and turn up some evidence, then charge BR – this hasn’t happened. He was too confident.
    – Now her attorney is in a tight spot. No evidence has been produced, no charges have been filed by law enforcement, and even HE doesn’t know what his client told the cops that night.
    – I’m assuming here, that the cops are under no obligation to share their initial report with either side WHILE the investigation is ongoing.
    – Meanwhile, part of that investigation means talking to her and having her repeat her story, looking for inconsistencies.
    – Needless to say, she can’t do that – at 2.0 she probably didn’t even know her own name that night, much less recall in detail what she might have said.
    This thing is looking bad for the accuser.
    At least now we know how she hurt her head.
    – Stupid bitch drinks herself senseless.
    – Stupid bitch falls down.
    ..happens every day. Just ask Reba.

  136. Just JTO says: Mar 25, 2010 12:55 PM

    And another thing … If Warren Sapp was black …. oops, he is. lol.

  137. queenie says: Mar 25, 2010 1:01 PM

    Don’t any of you ever get out of your cellar’s?
    I’m out and about all the time and it is VERY common for underage girls to get served..it happens all the time…whether it be by fake id or a “friend” getting one for you…or the bartender just thinks you are hot…it happens all the time…so this chick was NOT forced to drink anything…of course give it time and you all will have Big Ben making her drink before the day is finished…that being said she got herself drunk and is the only one responsible for being drunk in that bar.
    Let me also add that I have many friends male and female who see nothing wrong with getting all out falling down drunk and blowing off some steam and they do lots of things that they would NEVER do sober…the saying is “what happens at the bar stays at the bar”..I think she got caught up in something and then had to lie her way out to save some face with her friends…maybe she offered herself to Ben and when he accepted and what 28 yr old male would NOT accept I mean come out of your trees guys on this one…she realized she was in over her head and she fell trying to get out of the situtation that she had gotten herself in so she makes up a story…it’s as plausible a story as I’ve read here…it is possible.
    It really makes me mad that she’s accused someone of something so serious and now it sounds like she is backing out of it…this is so sad because there are REAL victims out there…I hope she gets prosecuted for filing a false report but I doubt THAT will happen.
    GO STEELERS!

  138. SteelTown_6 says: Mar 25, 2010 1:03 PM

    “Easy Ed says: March 25, 2010 10:48 AM
    So, the girl was completely wasted. All that means is that Ben preyed on a drunk underaged gal ”
    Right, so then it would have been impossible that this falling down drunk idiot maybe threw herself at HIM.
    Therefore, all 2.0 drunks know exactly what they’re doing at all times, correct?
    Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
    Besides, how was BR to know she was underage?
    That fact that she was in there suggested she WAS 21 or over – is it BR’s fault she got in with a phony ID? Blame the doorman. Wise up.
    btw, why the name “Easy Ed”.
    Do you find yourself being victimized by Pro Football players after you drink yourself into a stupor?

  139. thc916 says: Mar 25, 2010 1:03 PM

    Idiots! They don’t need DNA evidence to prove he was anywhere near her, Ben himself said he had sexual contact with the accuser! Video and DNA evidence are not relevant to whether they were together or not! Both of them admitted to being together, and apparently touching in on way or another!
    Again, if her BAC was anywhere near .2, BR is a piece of crap douche-bag that should have some punishment at a minimum from the league. Having sex with a young, hammered college student, in the bathroom of a nightclub does not look good for him, the Steelers, or the NFL.
    One point for BR. Unless the accuser arrived with Ben, or he checked her ID and knew she was 20, he should not be responsible for contributing to a minor. That is the responsibility of the club, not BR. I would guess she was already drinking before he arrived. He saw she was drinking, and if he bought her drinks, assumed she was of age since she already had drinks.

  140. jl says: Mar 25, 2010 1:06 PM

    Drunker chics than that turned me down in college!
    Take a wait and see attitude and much of this will likely come out. The only thing we can be pretty certain of is that the bar allowing to be overwritten wasn’t an accident. This just in… sometimes college bars have underage drinking occuring. I think it was about a year ago that some UGa bars were raided. Doesn’t mean he did or didn’t do anything(including paying off the bar owner). It just means the bar owner knew enough to know that the recording could be used against him as well.

  141. jftreshj76 says: Mar 25, 2010 1:09 PM

    Ok Let’s put it all together: It’s Ben’s Birthday, they even hire a bus to take everybody into hicksville to party. They bar hop. A 20 year old who likes to sneak into bars with fake ID gets in. She seeks out Ben and snuggles up. She gets drunk. One of them suggests a trip together to be alone in the BR. What did she think was gonna happen in there? She gives Ben a bj. She’s embarassed, Ben disrespects her. She leaves crying and cries sexual assault. Now she’s sober and is really embarassed. She doesn’t want to talk to the cops any more. She wants the whole thing to go away. Ben wants the whole thing to go away. No crime, no suspension; but Ben is gonna have this hanging over his head now forever. The whole town wants this to go away. (They’re sick of all the Damn-yankees running all around their town.) The police in hicksville sure as hell want this to go away. In fact everybody but Florio is sick of it. Look, single guys have sex with single girls, but sometimes they’re nasty about it, but this is not a crime. It’s immature and immoral but I do believe that Ben has finally learned his lesson. Please, let’s move on.

  142. tryagain says: Mar 25, 2010 1:11 PM

    ya know i didn’t hate the steeler’s before all this went down but after reading all the pathetic loser steeler fan comments on this and other websites, i officially crown them my least favorite team- not even due to your brainless qb either.
    you think other teams fans are vultures and losers? take a look in the mirror.
    and congrats on all your dusty trophey’s may they tarnish with the best of them.

  143. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 1:12 PM

    casey0413 says:
    March 25, 2010 12:46 PM
    I am truly amazed when looking at the times that every single one of these posts come through. Are all of you unemployed, or just wasting your company’s valuable time instead of being more productive. Unreal.
    ———————————-
    I’m self-employed, and my boss is really really pissed at me because, when I waste too much time on PFT, she has to make it up by working into the wee hours ;-)

  144. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 25, 2010 1:14 PM

    You know, it’s been a rough few weeks for Steelers fans. Things started off bad, but as the weeks wore on, things are definitely looking better for our SB QB.
    But the best part is, is watching all of the Bungles, Ratbirds & Clowns fans going to pieces over the thought he may turn out to be NOT GUILTY.
    The blind-sided shock, the righteous indignation, the seething rage… damn.
    Yet somehow, that makes it all worthwhile.

  145. highjak78 says: Mar 25, 2010 1:16 PM

    Spoonthis –
    Calm down, homo – your “hero” will probably walk ’cause he’s got the cash to buy his way out of almost anything. If he was buying her drinks, and she was over double the legal limit AND underage, that is contributing to the delinquency of a minor – textbook – you don’t need to work for the cops or DA to know that. Don’t put your braindead hopes of football glory ahead of MORALS, steeler douchebag! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That’s the whole league laughing at STEELER NATION!!!!

  146. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 1:17 PM

    @CincyAllDaWay …
    Aw … you’re so cute when you start to panic that this season’s sweep was the last you’ll see for a long, long time.
    But on the bright side … Chad does a fair cha-cha-cha!

  147. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 25, 2010 1:27 PM

    “# Bill In DC says: March 25, 2010 12:41 PM
    Except Rothlisberger is admitting that there was sexual contact, so there is no need to prove he was ‘anywhere near her’. He says they had sex.”
    Sexual contact and sex are two entirely different things.
    Now run along and ask mommy why you look like the mailman.

  148. The Real Shuxion says: Mar 25, 2010 1:36 PM

    casey0413 says:
    March 25, 2010 12:46 PM
    I am truly amazed when looking at the times that every single one of these posts come through. Are all of you unemployed, or just wasting your company’s valuable time instead of being more productive. Unreal.
    ————————————————-
    Wasting company time.

  149. Rafterman says: Mar 25, 2010 1:43 PM

    I just love all of the haters rage!
    We are Steeler Nation and we feed on your tears!
    ROFLMAO!

  150. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 1:47 PM

    @highjak78 …
    You might stop laughing long enough to actually crack open one of those textbooks you’re spouting about.
    The legal drinking age in Georgia is 21.
    In most states, the age of consent–meaning the legal age of adulthood when you are no longer legally a minor–is 18. In the Georgia Criminal Code, the age of consent is 16.
    So even if he bought her a drink, he would not be guilty of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
    But according to the police, the WOMAN–who was 20 and well past the age of consent–met Ben in a bar. It was the bar’s job to card her, not Ben’s. Legally speaking, he could not be expected to look at a 20-year-old woman who was INSIDE a nightclub and ascertain that she was not legally entitled to drink. He bears no liability for her intoxication.
    That “minor” is old enough to be married and to serve with the U.S. armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Please try not to trip over your stupidity on the way out.

  151. Uziele says: Mar 25, 2010 1:55 PM

    Two things to keep in mind, having never been to this particular college bar.
    One. It is NOT illegal to be in a bar under the age of 21. It IS illegal to be served at a bar under the age of 21. Hence why you can take your kids into your local Red Lobster which is also a bar. So the fact that this girl was in the bar does not in any way necessarily incriminate the club. Not saying she wasn’t served, just saying that just because she was there doesn’t put fault with anyone.
    Two. A quick Google search will show you that in Georgia sexual misconduct is defined as “sexual contact without consent by an acquaintance or a stranger.” You can also see that by definition, “Consent for sexual activity cannot be given if a person is intoxicated due to alcohol/drugs.”
    I honestly at this point just think it’s taking so long because they’re determining at what level to charge Ben. Not if they’re going to charge him. My guess is he gets the lesser sexual misconduct and not any sort of sexual assault or rape… but either way, the moral of the story is, if the girl can’t focus straight, you probably shouldn’t hook up with her. Because it is a crime even if she says yes at that moment.

  152. tryagain says: Mar 25, 2010 1:56 PM

    wait- read this, there’s evidently been some false info reported by someone other than steeler fans i’m sure- eyeroll…
    http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/25/ben-roethlisbergers-accsuser-alleged-victim-police-cops-interview-lawyers-sexual-assault/
    Ben Roethlisberger’s accuser has not had the change of heart reported by the media, because her lawyer tells TMZ she’s scheduled to be re-interviewed by cops in the sexual assault investigation.
    Her reps tell us they broke their silence to correct “recent misstatements in the media,” saying, “Our client is cooperating fully with law enforcement in this matter. Future interviews have been scheduled and our client will attend.”
    The lawyers were mum on when the sit-downs with cops will take place.

  153. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 1:58 PM

    @thc916 …
    1. The police have said in both their press conferences that no intercourse occurred. That is my definition of “having sex.” So Ben did not have sex with her.
    2. The only people that have said Ben had any sort of sexual contact with her were some unnamed sources quoted by a Pittsburgh television station three weeks ago. No officials have confirmed that or the story about the head injury. No officials have confirmed her blood alcohol level.
    Not defending Ben’s stupid decision to frat it up w/the college kids. But the incident report says “sexual manipulation.” That has no definition. No official has yet announced what she says happened. No official has yet announced what what he says happened.

  154. footballfan says: Mar 25, 2010 1:58 PM

    @FootballPhil
    Again you show you intellect. If you think that law enforcement wouldn’t do that then you are the idiot. Funny how they waste resources by doing underage stings all the time. I have personally seen this happen. I’m not sure where in the world you live but maybe the police force in your area only focuses on felonies and nothing else..

  155. PatDa says: Mar 25, 2010 2:07 PM

    Great reporting but you missed something:
    Carl Cansino, the attorney for the Capital City nightclub in Milledgeville, Ga., said that he learned Thursday there is no remaining video. It was recorded over after detectives and the club’s manager, Rocky Duncan, had watched it.
    This came from a real sports web site. So the police did see the tape!

  156. PARavensJeff says: Mar 25, 2010 2:10 PM

    The young Victim was drunk, which made Ben the Rapist want her more, because he thought he could get away w/ it. Yea, they’re not making excuses for Ben in Pittsburgh anymore!

  157. julieinduvall says: Mar 25, 2010 2:17 PM

    This thread reads like a manual on exactly why forty percent of the women raped don’t report it, and why 14 out of 15 of those charged with rape eventually walk.
    I’ll speak slowly, so some of you can understand.
    It doesn’t matter what the woman in question was wearing, her sexual history, why she was in a bar, the fact she was underage, or how drunk she was.
    Ben Roethlisberger admitted “sexual contact”, therefore, there was sex. With someone too incapacitated to consent. If those of you who believe that she “deserved what she got” because she was drunk, a “slut”, whatever, you’re no better than he is.
    Don’t kid yourself: This was non-consensual. If Roethlisberger doesn’t have the self-control to walk away from a woman who obviously is so impaired she’s incapable of standing up, let alone consenting to his advances, he’s done this before, and he’s gotten away with it.
    The hospital and the police will have whatever DNA was recovered from her person and her clothing. The police aren’t going to say one way or the other if they have it; it compromises their investigation.
    Georgia law provides that college-age people are allowed in a bar as long as they have a wristband. I’m guessing the wristband is to prevent them from being served. Someone was serving that woman, which makes me think the DVD was tamperered with. After all, as someone said above, the bar is liable as well for serving her.
    For those who continue to believe that Roethlisberger is just the poor, innocent victim of a scheming, conniving “slut” that’s out to take all his money, the question remains: What was a 28-year-old doing in a college bar in the first place? In other words, he looks for women he perceives can’t fight back against someone with $100 million, and lawyers on speed-dial.
    Roethlisberger’s scum. Those who defend him aren’t much better.

  158. highjak78 says: Mar 25, 2010 2:21 PM

    Deb –
    Since when did the fatass, stupid steeler faithful learn to READ?! What did you do, wikipedia “law in Georgia”? What a sorry waste of space you are – how many seats do you need to buy on an airplane – I bet at least three to fit your XXXXXXL “Rapistburger” jersey into!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! I’m still laughing at you, your entire fanbase, and your sorry explanation of Georgia state law, which I’m positive you know nothing about but wanted to defend your “crush” little benny!

  159. Spoonthis says: Mar 25, 2010 2:28 PM

    @ highjakass78
    I’m not a homo…just ask your mom. Badumpa. Sophmoric yes, but I don’t care. I am clam and I am looking forward to Steeler football this season with Ben under center. Deb, thanks for answering for the rest of that lame ass post.
    I’ve got one word for you all along with its definitions – SPECULATION –
    a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.
    b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
    c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition
    This whole bantering back and forth is amazing because it is all based on SPECUALTION about this event. What’s more amazing is the conviction of the hater’s when there is a lot of proof against the McNutty bitch in Nevada and all of her lies. I’ve said from day one show me some PROOF and let justice take it’s course but I have yet to see anything but SPECUALTION from you terds.

  160. PatDa says: Mar 25, 2010 2:33 PM

    Ummm they have no DNA which is why the don’t need Ben’s. Also her being over .2 does mean that she might not have realized what actually was happening. Also they did not have sex, and that has been confirmed.
    Listen if Ben did it, he should pay the price. It is sad how hard it is for women to come forward and deal with these issues. However many other women have lied and tried to extort money before so that is why people question it.
    I would also appreciate you know the facts of the case before you get on your soap box.

  161. Kaz says: Mar 25, 2010 2:46 PM

    casey0413 says:
    March 25, 2010 12:46 PM
    I am truly amazed when looking at the times that every single one of these posts come through. Are all of you unemployed, or just wasting your company’s valuable time instead of being more productive. Unreal.
    Probably the same thing you are doing. Are you unemployed? Waisting your company time?

  162. Spoonthis says: Mar 25, 2010 2:50 PM

    Breaking news from TMZ———–>
    julieinduvall is Andrea McNulty. That’s how she knows that “he’s done this before, and he’s gotten away with it”. She has all the facts. She was there and will probably be called to testify in court as a witness (If this scam ever goes to court).
    Julie, at what age do single men in your world have to stop going to bars? Do women voluntarily drink at bars where you are from? Do women go to bars to pick up men? Is sexual contact and sexual intercourse the same thing? Stop rambling on the rape statistics. This is not a rape case. Did you know 4 out of 5 dentists recommend using Crest? That doesn’t pertain to this case either. Go and get yourself some counseling please.

  163. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 2:54 PM

    @tryagain …
    You blather about having no animosity toward the Steelers prior to these Roethlisberger postings that have stunned your delicate sensibilities. From a moral perspective, I try to lead a decent life. But I didn’t just fall out of the womb oblivious to harsh realities–and neither did you. So save the delicate flower routine. If you were that delicate, you wouldn’t be reading PFT.
    As for Steelers fans blindly defending their foaming-at-the-mouth-rabid-dog sex fiend, well at least you haven’t yet called for the foaming-at-the-mouth-rabid-dog sex fiend to be dragged into the square for a public lynching … or have you? It’s hard to keep up with the wishes of the, um, “objective” majority.
    So far all we know is that a woman in Nevada made an accusation as part of a civil suit for $3 million and the accusation is not supported by the evidence so far presented to the court.
    In Georgia, all we know is that a woman has made an allegation of “sexual manipulation.” The police have confirmed there was no rape and there is no DNA sample for matching. We don’t know from any official source what she’s alleged, what he says happened, what her blood alcohol level was, or whether there was a head injury.
    But carry on with your “objective” assessments of Roethlisberger’s situation and condemnations of all things Steeler … a team with which you had nooo problem prior to this story.

  164. julieinduvall says: Mar 25, 2010 3:24 PM

    Hey, Spoonthis,
    Sounds like you have a keen grasp on the obvious.
    I know it hurts to imagine your beloved Ben has a problem, but he does. Your defense of him makes you look equally as ugly.
    Most guys, I’m guessing, quit going to college bars after they move out of the dorm. It’s nice to join the adults elsewhere. Then again, I’m sure you don’t have a lot of experience with that, do you? Neither does Ben. After all, if he can pick up an exceedingly drunk 20-year-old, have self-admitted “sexual contact” with her and get away with it, who’s the wiser?
    My world is full of adults who believe that sexual assault or menacing another person who’s too incapacitated to consent or even to walk away isn’t appropriate. Maybe you should try it sometime.

  165. RebaT says: Mar 25, 2010 3:28 PM

    Very curious as to how that DVD was over-written. What a CROCK. That indicates to me there was a payoff!! BEN ROTHLISBERGER IS GUILTY AS H!!!
    POS – piece of s…
    Somebody confirm with me that Terry has died? If so, my heart is just broken!!

  166. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 3:41 PM

    @highjak78 ….
    Guess what three things I have that you don’t?
    1. An intellect. So I’m capable of researching issues and answering sad little bottom-dwellers like you without resorting to random shot-in-the-dark fat jokes. How was kindergarten today, sweetie?
    2. A journalism degree and a lot of experience writing about legal issues up to the state government and state supreme court level in the U.S. and covering trials in international criminal courts.
    3. A brother and sister-in-law who are successful criminal defense attorneys (and both also teach law school and continuing legal education courses) so I have experienced professionals I can consult about anything I don’t understand through my own research and experience.
    Guess what one thing you have that I don’t have?
    The temperament of a five-year-old who pitches an embarrassing hissy fit, gets shrill, and starts screeching names because a GIRL knew more than he did.

  167. RebaT says: Mar 25, 2010 3:49 PM

    Deb, you don’t call the oral definition to be sex? Then why is sex the 2nd word that goes with it? DUH.
    Ben will never overcome these actions he has done. He is one of the most stupid people I have ever seen. Did he go to at least one class in college? What was his major? Feeling up girls? One more public negative anything – he is DONE forever. Yes, Ray Lewis will never overcome the shadow from the Atlanta incident. Heck several players on the Ravens are criminals. I lived in Baltimore for 6 years. Crime Central. On North Ave if a car backfires you are flat on the ground.. BOOM, just that fast.
    Steeler-lady, make sure when you post you are not using double negatives. Very sad.
    The overwriting of the tape is very convenient, huh? Actually I am an IT Director… you can still extract data from the tape even though it was written over. Erased is a different story. Wonder if the cops know this? This is a FACT.
    All you out there calling the victim a Ho, Slut, etc., Ben is the biggest WHORE there is in these cases. Let’s not forget this is a two-lane road, not one way. He should be neutered. Also what did Ben blow in the alcohol test? I bet they didn’t test him!!! PATHETIC.

  168. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 25, 2010 3:49 PM

    “# RebaT says: March 25, 2010 3:28 PM
    Somebody confirm with me that Terry has died? If so, my heart is just broken!!”
    You are one stupid pile of meat.

  169. RebaT says: Mar 25, 2010 3:56 PM

    FoozieGrooler,
    You are an Ass-H. That was a nice bonefide question. Boy do you have anger issues. Go to anger management or something.
    Also in another article, the victim is talking to the cops. LMAO. Now take that excuse out of your postings! One less thing to can attribute to Ben’s “innocence”.

  170. funi says: Mar 25, 2010 3:56 PM

    .020! She does not remember anything! How much moonshine did she have that night? For all we know, it could have been some Georgia hick saying my name is Ben and she “satisfied him” to completion, then found out it he was nto the Big Ben!

  171. Spoonthis says: Mar 25, 2010 3:57 PM

    So again julieinduvall, you were there and know how many drinks she had, who bought them for her, when she drank them (before or after the alleged sexual contact), how incapacitated she was and what else am I missing? Oh, the fact that you don’t know shit. And you state that Ben has a “problem” because he went out on his birthday to a few college bars that were within 30 minutes of his house in Georgia. One report of being in a “college bar” and this means that you have a problem? So you legally go to a bar near your home on your birthday and this classifies you as a criminal with problems? Alrighty then Miss high and mighty. If this occured in a bar that had an older crowd, would this false accusation have been ok?
    RebaT – Terry is not dead but julieinduvall’s brain is.

  172. Spoonthis says: Mar 25, 2010 4:10 PM

    Good one FoozieGrooler. LMAO.
    RebaTard – who cares what Ben’s BAC was? Was he driving? Are you trying to turn this into a DUI also. You are so adamant about Ben’s actions and yet you weren’t there to witness to them. Why is that? Did Ben turn you down at a bar one night? Wow, he has low standards and you still got rejected. Also, nobody cares where you have lived and about your past experiences.

  173. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 4:13 PM

    @Reba …
    To me the term, “having sex” refers to intercourse. If you said, “I saw them having sex,” I would assume you saw someone having intercourse. If you saw someone having oral sex, I would expect you to say that or to use the term “blow job.” Maybe that’s just me. But it’s all semantics anyway. If a case winds up in court, the attorneys make sure everyone describes everything in detail so there’s no confusion.
    And so far NO ONE has defined “sexual manipulation.” So it’s speculation that they were having oral sex.

  174. Rob says: Mar 25, 2010 4:18 PM

    The club had to over write the existing videos as it proved that they were serving alcohol to minors….

  175. steeelfann says: Mar 25, 2010 4:30 PM

    Douchers,
    The tape was overwritten because Capital City is in trouble for serving underage kids.
    The cameras don’t go in restrooms where she claimed(insert lied) said incident occurred. Any removal of video evidence would not be to cover Big Ben, but would be to cover Capital City’s liabilities in minors drinking, no?
    SOOOO obvious.

  176. CT Stiller says: Mar 25, 2010 4:36 PM

    Let’s all hope that people like Easy Ed who says “So, the girl was completely wasted. All that means is that Ben preyed on a drunk underaged gal” is accused of the same thing. How quickly your attitude would change. Underage? She’s 20. Underage to drink but not to have sex, dummy.
    I’ll say it again, the Court of Public Opinion is largely made up of douchebags. Every time I see comments made in response to a story about this situation it’s reinforced further.
    Florio, in all of his wisdom, loves to perpetuate the hatred via his own brand of speculation.

  177. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 4:40 PM

    @julieinduvall …
    ACCORDING TO THE POLICE, no intercourse occurred. So. she. was. not. raped. I’m speaking slowly so YOU can understand.
    Yes, if he took advantage of her when she was too drunk to consent, he may have a problem. But since no official source has told us what she alleges he did OR her blood alcohol level, let’s wait and see before labeling him a scumbag and readying his orange jumpsuit, shall we?
    I know it’s not politically correct to say so, but as someone whose experience was more violent, I have a problem with women who willingly consume large amounts of alcohol and willingly engage in highly sexualized behavior then regret it, say they were too drunk to consent and call that assault or rape.
    Rape is not about sex, it’s about power and control and force. If a man drugs a woman, if he deliberately feeds alcohol to a minor (not a 20-year-old), if he takes advantage of an intoxicated woman who doesn’t know him and isn’t aware of what he’s doing or thinks he’s someone else, or if he continues while a woman is struggling or begging him to stop … that is assault.
    But if a woman who’s been hugging on him all evening willingly gets drunk with him, willingly gets sexual with him, and does not protest at the time … how is he supposed to know she doesn’t consent? You know as well as I do that guys on college campuses have been charged in those circumstances–and that is wrong. If women don’t want to be responsible for their bodies, why should they expect some drunken frat boy to be? Or some drunken 28-year-old jock?
    There are violent, dangerous men out there. If Roethlisberger is one of them, he needs to feel the full weight of the system. But the evidence in Nevada says otherwise. And if Georgia turns out to be a girl making a mountain out of a molehill, the police and courts need to spend their energy on REAL assault victims.

  178. PaulLewisville says: Mar 25, 2010 4:52 PM

    You guys are over-looking a very important fact about the videos: they are evidence. If there was any information relating to a crime on these dvds, tapes, hard drives or whatever was being used, the police would have taken them.
    Only the people who worked at the club would know what areas were being covered outside the bathrooms and that would allow a club employee to avoid any embarrassing actions from being monitored. But if a different employee was upset that Big Ben didn’t go into the bathroom with her and called the police, that would put Florio in a very awkward position. How many women would publicly admit giving oral sex to somebody at work?
    Big Ben needs to keep his zipper zipped no matter how cute the girl is.

  179. MikeN says: Mar 25, 2010 5:30 PM

    I f Ben had withdrawn in the first place there wouldn’t BE a DNA sample.

  180. ahajha says: Mar 25, 2010 5:32 PM

    Protect The QB and I’m pretty sure Gisele was impregnated through invetro.

  181. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 25, 2010 5:45 PM

    # MikeN says: March 25, 2010 5:30 PM
    If Ben had withdrawn in the first place there wouldn’t BE a DNA sample.”
    There isn’t any DNA sample.
    She swallowed the evidence.

  182. SteelTown_6 says: Mar 25, 2010 5:51 PM

    The accuser is finished.
    KDKA TV tonight ran a report where a local defense attorney explained how, if it’s true that her BAC was 0.20 or higher, her credibility is approximately 0.0.
    If she gets up in front of a investigative panel of inquiry, the first question to her will be “Do you remember what happened on the night in question?”
    If she says “no”, it’s over, case closed.
    If she answers “yes”, she’s screwed, because the next question will be “HOW do you or how could you remember?”
    A “yes” answer won’t fly because there is much scientific evidence to support that she’s already lying.
    She had her BAC checked at the hospital, some time after the “alleged” incident. Chances are good that her BAC was actually 0.21 or even higher earlier in the evening.
    BAC’s at or above 0.21 have the following symptoms:
    * Stupor
    * Loss of Understanding
    * Impaired Sensations
    * Severe Motor Impairment
    * Loss of Consciousness
    * Memory Blackout
    Good luck with that .

  183. robhug71 says: Mar 25, 2010 6:04 PM

    @Deb … I think I remember you. Didn’t you used to work, as an advisor, for Bill “I Did Not Have Sex With That Woman” Clinton? Just wondering.

  184. julieinduvall says: Mar 25, 2010 6:18 PM

    Hey, Deb, funny you should use my words against me. I’ll use a few of yours against you and your hero, Mr. Roethlisberger.
    The Georgia LE wouldn’t be wanting to chat with the woman in Reno if nothing happened there. Even more, she wouldn’t have a case, even civilly, if there was no question the sex was consensual. Someone with two family members who are “defense attorneys” would know that.
    “Hugging on him all night” is “highly sexualized behavior”? In other words, she was asking for it because she was somewhat friendly and (allegedly) had more to drink than she should? Of course, he’s not to blame at all for taking advantage of someone who was (again, allegedly) impaired. Considering the fact that the club’s lawyer released her BAC is nothing more than the ownership trying to cover themselves.
    “No” still means “no”. Those who believe she was “asking for it” or “slutty” or “shouldn’t have been drinking” are buying into the BS that allows (again) 14 out of 15 of those prosecuted for sexual attack or rape to walk away with no consequences. It’s not non-PC. It’s siding with an attacker. Congratulations.

  185. julieinduvall says: Mar 25, 2010 6:23 PM

    Spoonthis,
    I never thought I’d meet Ben Roethlisberger posting on a pro football fan site! Hey, Ben! Nice to meet you!
    Again, I don’t know many people at all that make a point of hanging out at a bar well-known to cater to the college crowd on their 28th birthday and beyond. Maybe that’s his maturity level. After all, he gets all the benefits (namely, a steady supply of underage girls,) and he can still do keg stands!
    Again, great to meet you!

  186. RebaT.. says: Mar 25, 2010 6:25 PM

    MikeN
    There definitely would have. Do you know what that means? Parents.

  187. Steeler-lady says: Mar 25, 2010 6:34 PM

    LOL Julie.. who said she said NO??? OMG SHYT… you must be Reba in disquise…… and while your throwing figures in the air.. why dont you report how many INNOCENT men are in jail for something didnt committ???

  188. RebaT.. says: Mar 25, 2010 6:38 PM

    It’s not over by a long-shot.

  189. RebaT.. says: Mar 25, 2010 6:46 PM

    Not Reba in disquise.

  190. Deb says: Mar 25, 2010 7:32 PM

    @julieinduvall …
    You’re don’t have the smarts I’ve been crediting you with, do you? If you did, you could keep this discussion on a serious, adult level.
    1. Ben Roethlisberger isn’t my hero. Are you 12?
    2. The only person who has said the Georgia authorities want to speak to the Nevada accuser is her lawyer. His agenda is to make her seem credible. He also said he would not let her speak to them. If she had been raped and knowing he cannot go to prison in her case, then why wouldn’t she want to assist the Georgia authorities with a case that could result in jail time? If she had been raped, she would want to see him punished more than she would want his money.
    3. When her attorney (Calvin Dunlap) announced that they wanted to speak with her, I e-mailed my brother and asked why. He was in the middle of a case, but shot back this brief reply:
    “I’m not sure if Georgia’s rules of evidence are based on the federal rules, the model rules or something else all together. But, there are only two reasons they would want to talk to McNulty: (1) to use her testimony against Ben; (2) to see if she can give them anything to support this girl–in other words, they might be questioning the girl’s story and want to see if it matches McNulty’s.
    If it is (2), then either, they decide that there is no similarity and that gives them more concern; they decide there is similarity and that confirms their concerns (i.e., both golddiggers); or they decide there is similarity and it confirms this girl’s accusations. If that’s it, then they decide if they want to try to get McNulty to testify which takes us to (1).
    If you get to (1), the federal rules specifically allow the introduction of the defendant’s commission of another offense or offenses of a sexual assault to be considered for bearing on any matter to which it is relevant. This is contrary to the rules on all other crimes or acts. And, when combined with the rule that prohibits the introduction of the alleged victim’s relevant acts in these types of cases (which I’m sure Georgia has), create an uneven playing field.”
    4. I did not say “hugging on him all night” was “highly sexualized behavior.” Nor was I speaking of the Georgia case at that point. I was speaking in hypotheticals. You might work on your reading comprehension skills–try moving your dripping sarcasm out of the way.
    5. This woman’s allegation and version of events has not been released. We do not know what she said or what occurred. You are making it up as you go.
    6. Don’t reinterpret me “in other words.” I said EXACTLY what I meant to say and made it perfectly clear. I was talking about rape law in general–something that concerns me as a real rape survivor rather than as a shrieking hypocrite on a blog feigning concern for rape victims as a way to get in digs about a football team.
    You are what I thought you were: someone with an agenda who knows nothing about the facts of this case or the Nevada case and is using rape for her own ends. Careful, julie. What goes around, comes around. One day you may get a lesson in what it’s like to face a real attacker.

  191. Cprine says: Mar 25, 2010 7:37 PM

    I’m beginning to think that you’re incompetent.
    I did report that Ben Roethlisberger’s attorney told us that his client would provide DNA to investigators. I was the first to do so.
    I also was the first to report that GBI later called the attorney to tell him that Roethlisberger didn’t need to submit it because there was no genetic material recovered at the crime scene or on the alleged victim.
    I’ve also reported that the attorney had been told about a high blood alcohol content allegedly recorded concerning the accuser. This, as I mentioned, was corroborated by two other sources close to the investigation that are independent of Mr Cansino.
    How is this unusual? This is the scutwork of reporting, not of bloviating about stories you apparently can’t read, much less write.
    The stories are plain on their face. You are the one who has been extrapolating notions that can’t be backed up by basic reporting. I have reached no opinions in this case about the innocence or guilt of any party.
    I take the facts as they come, corroborate them with independent sources, and put a name to them. If you want to trash me and my work, that’s cool.
    But don’t you have to understand the rudiments of the story, how it is reported or why it matters before you hold forth with opinions of dubious value?
    Carl Prine

  192. Oscar in Miami Beach says: Mar 25, 2010 8:15 PM

    This is another woman looking for gold.With Ben’s reputation any woman would think she can get away with a thing like this.The one in Tahoe and now this one.This is going to be another case like the No. Carolina students that were accused by a stripper.All famous people are exposed to these unscrupulous vixens.

  193. Jamson64 says: Mar 25, 2010 8:29 PM

    Something stinks is that right Florio. Do you have anything else? Classless

  194. Steeler-lady says: Mar 25, 2010 10:47 PM

    Julie… do college bars have signs out front stating it?? Cus if you go into a town you dont frequent how is one to know what college bar is which?
    So are there bars for late 20yr olds….30s 40s? Im curious….Do only college people go to these bars? Last time I checked theres people in college of all ages.

  195. Christxn says: Mar 25, 2010 11:01 PM

    Same old story! They’re rich and successful so they can’t rape anyone. Kobe, Ben…. And their fans defend them to the end. If it were my QB acting this way I would be the first one to call for both his heads. C’mon people. Get a spine and get some morals. Require respectable behavior of those you support with your words and with your hard earned fan dollars.

  196. tryagain says: Mar 25, 2010 11:09 PM

    @ Deb says:
    You, Chatty Cathy or Poster Patty, blather on more than I can even imagine or would desire to. I’ve read what you’ve written and I’m sorry if you’ve encountered something similar to what Ben is being accused of here. Ben may or may not be guilty, I’m not saying which is correct because I do not know. But neither do the Steeler fans.
    I’m sorry (not really) if you are offended because I get offended by the ignorant, vile, repulsive, etc. crap written by your fellow Steeler fans who seem to have no regard for the truth or justice, they simply want their quarterback regardless of what the truth may be.
    And for the record, I truly have never had any animosity towards the Steelers or Steeler fans until this incident. In fact, when this first blew up and Florio made some comment in a post (maybe in the title) about Steeler fans and their blind love (or to that effect) I made a comment saying that I didn’t see that at all from what I had read at that point. However, I guess after reading a few thousand times how the girl is a slut, was drunk, pretty much got whatever she deserved, is a gold digger, etc. etc. etc. I do get disgusted. Sorry (again, not really), I just can’t help but think what if that was me or one of my friends or family members and they had been assaulted and were treated (or even viewed) this way. If Ben’s not guilty until proven otherwise, why doesn’t she get the same treatment? You can reply and mention all the other comments claiming his guilt, they are equally denying due process, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay to just trash the girl without merit either.

  197. jl says: Mar 25, 2010 11:38 PM

    I’ve been to Milledgeville multiple times. It’s everything you would expect… and more! I just don’t see why he was there. There are better golf courses up on in the Lake Oconee area and that’s a very scenic area. Athens is closer and better bar scene. It’s too far to drink and drive back and most of the people that are staying there are residents of the college or one of the prisons.
    It certainly doesn’t make him guilty. Although I would say, in Milledgeville, it’s not hard to determine which are the college bars.

  198. Deb says: Mar 26, 2010 12:22 PM

    @tryagain …
    I may well have jumped on you unfairly. When this story first broke, most of the Steelers fans who commented condemned Ben’s reckless, irresponsible behavior but cautioned that everyone needed to wait and let the evidence determine his guilt or innocence–pointing out that the evidence presented in Nevada refutes Andrea McNulty’s accusations. But very few attacked the Georgia accuser with terms like “slut.” Of course, Florio’s articles are designed to incite extreme comments from both factions, which then incite more comments, so the posts on both sides are getting dirtier.
    Yes, I have been Patty Poster on this topic (she says with a wry smile). Neither the Nevada or Georgia allegations are comparable to my experience. However, obviously I have intense feelings on the subjects of sexual assault, false accusations, using rape as an extortion plot, and victimizing women by convincing them they bear no responsibility for taking care of themselves when they’re drinking or that any unwanted touch by a man is an assault and they are helpless to respond. Throw in the emotions of having my team’s QB as the accused and I’ve become like a little dog chewing on a shoe I can’t seem to release. So I get especially aggravated at the many hypocritical commenters who are simply using this situation as an excuse to rag on the Steelers while pretending a nobler cause.
    Forgive me if I unfairly lumped you into that category.

  199. brownsfansinceconcieved says: Mar 26, 2010 12:31 PM

    This is funny. I witnessed Ben get sacked 8 times in a loss to the browns and we traded both OUR QB’S. Kudos to you Mike on such a provocative story. I’ve been reading these hillarious comments for over 2hrs. and, if I may make a simple suggestion. Start running advertisement every 10 minutes (as seen on tv) you could retire on another story like this. buckfigben! Go Browns

  200. Deb says: Mar 26, 2010 12:43 PM

    @jl …
    According to a March 14 article in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Roethlisberger and his friends had dinner that night at the Eenoco Japanese Steak & Sushi restaurant a few miles from his home in the Reynolds Plantation resort.
    A little after 9 p.m., he told Eenoco owner Heath Burton he was going to drive to Millegeville. “He told me he’d never been down there,” Burton said. “He’s always a nice guy. Very sociable. But he doesn’t like a lot of people hounding him. He comes in a few times a year and will bring his offensive line. They’re great guys, too. We’ve never had a problem with them.”
    He should have stayed at Eenoco.

  201. brownsfansinceconcieved says: Mar 26, 2010 12:43 PM

    Sorry! I meant to say a SEASON ENDING LOSS TO THE BROWNS. My bad

  202. Bigbluefan says: Mar 26, 2010 9:13 PM

    Let me explain it to you who have no idea how a video system works
    It is a Digital Video Recorder and when the hard drive is full it over writes it self it is not a tape it is a harddrive
    The Keystone cops should have taken the footage they wanted off the machine this is not foul play this is how the machine is made to work.
    Why do I know this I am in that business the machines can store as much as a few TB of video or as little as 100 GB I know to some 100 GB sounds like a lot but when your storing video from various cameras it goes fast in a bar very fast. The systems are normally set to record on motion and in a bar that would all the time the place is open that would eat a harddrive very fast.
    The cops should have burned a copy of the video then it would not have been over written of course it goes to show that this case should have been give to the State Cops not andy and barney

  203. Deb says: Mar 26, 2010 11:02 PM

    @Bigbluefan …
    Thanks for the info! Since my DVR once overwrote something I didn’t want to lose (SBXLIII–which, thankfully, reran in its entirety on the NFL Network) that now makes sense.
    The locals immediately called in the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. They’ve handled this case from the start.
    It was revealed when the recordings were first mentioned that there were no cameras in the VIP room where Ben & co. were partying or in the bathroom area that serves the VIP room, where the alleged incident occurred. So even if the recordings had been preserved, they would have been of limited use.

  204. RebaT.. says: Mar 27, 2010 2:32 AM

    Deb,
    Did he actually pay the bill? That’s a first.

  205. RebaT.. says: Mar 27, 2010 2:39 AM

    Spoonthis..
    Ben needed a test if she took one. Why are you men always one sided? Just because you have a “kick stand” makes you superior? LOL Women laugh at you too. Women are in control here. Look how your wife handles the money and the house. You don’t like it, you go without! That just KILLS men. Poor little thing and you give in like a lost puppy. HA HA HA HA HA
    Ben was as drunk as she was. OH NO, cops don’t test when you give them 1000 on the spot and take a picture with them.
    Here’s a concept you pay for it on dates to achieve the goal. You PAY FOR IT IN MARRIAGE even more. Men are so STUPID but it’s an advantage to us. We control that part of the plan.

  206. Steeler-lady says: Mar 27, 2010 12:55 PM

    WOW look at this dyke GO..
    Not one single report says Ben was drunk.. As a matter of fact a few stated he didnt even have a drink..one said he nursed a beer while watching a game on the tv…But you sit here n claim he was drunk.. Its PROVEN she was drunk.. Even if Ben was drunk.. HES ALLOWED.. HES OVER 21!
    Hey guys not ALL WOMEN are MONEY HUNGRY Bitches like Reba.. In a real STABLE marriage,its 50-50… You do for each other,and you dont hold things over each others heads. I guess thats just how some women have to live in life to get anything.
    lmao this dumb bitch dont even know what happened.. the COPS didnt test her at all.. the hospital did.. and rightfully so.. shes UNDERAGE. They had no reason to test Ben.. he was in a club,over 21 and wasnt driving.. Why would they test him?
    I see you like throwing around accusations…your such a damn hyprocrite too.. You got mad n turned me in to PFT becus I didnt buy into your BS about being drugged n sexual assulted.. (i see now thats just how you roll to get what you want) You said and I quote.. ” You wasnt there so you dont tell me what happened to me” .. LOL Perhaps you should use the same theory when discussing Ben.
    You wont do that tho ,becus you are nothing but a FEMINISTIC man Hating Bitch. Thats plain as day with your last post.

  207. robhug71 says: Mar 27, 2010 3:02 PM

    Sometime this week, bar manager Rocky Duncan was asked if Roethlisberger was drunk on the night in question. Duncan reportedly said: “Was he the drunkest person in the bar? No. Did he have a buzz going? Yes.”
    Take that for what it’s worth.
    Do you know how many beers it takes to intoxicate a 6-5, 290-pound man? I’m guessing probably a few more than it takes to intoxicate a 20-year-old coed.

  208. Steeler-lady says: Mar 27, 2010 4:25 PM

    lol Rob I watch this case closely.. and NEVER did i hear that…..
    Lol Iknow alot of 21yr olds who could outdrink the average man.. so i wouldnt use that theory.
    It really doesnt matter how many beers Ben did or didnt have… HES LEGAL to do so.

  209. Deb says: Mar 27, 2010 4:39 PM

    @robhug71 …
    The illogic of that post makes me worry that you’re skating close to RebaT in venomous obsession.
    The guy spent an evening in a bar and had a buzz on. Isn’t that to be expected? I no longer drink, but why consume alcohol if not to feel the effects of alcohol? Why not drink Coke?
    Since I was over 18–no longer a minor regardless of legal drinking age–when I drank, it was my job to monitor what I consumed. If I overimbibed, that was MY responsibility.
    I totally get that you think Roethlisberger is an overrated QB. I totally get that you think his off-field behavior is reckless and boorish. I don’t get why you are so anxious to paint him as a sex offender that you are now finding fault with his non-drunkenness.

  210. pensacolasteelers says: Mar 27, 2010 5:23 PM

    Oh no!
    Former state Sen. Nancy Schaefer and her husband found dead in their Georgia home. Maybe Roethlisberger did it? lmao
    Steelers fans, I have been a Steelers fan for almost 40 years, I’m just trying to show some of these idiots just how stupid they sound.

  211. Deb says: Mar 27, 2010 7:12 PM

    @pensacolasteelers …
    What’s scaring me is that robhug71 and RebaT say they’re Steelers fans, too.
    Have you seen Scully & Mulder? Something strange is going on.

  212. robhug71 says: Mar 27, 2010 8:51 PM

    @Deb … The interesting thing about you going above and beyond to prove your hero innocent is this: He wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.
    They’ve been playing professional football in Pittsburgh since 1933. Each and every season, someone has quarterbacked the team. That trend will continue, with or without Roethlisberger.
    No one player is bigger than the organization. That’s the way it’s always been in Pittsburgh. I learned that in 1984, when they sent Franco Harris packing to Seattle.
    If you are so convinced Roethlisberger is innocent of any wrongdoing, why are you always in such an uproar?
    Dan Rooney is a presidential-appointed Ambassador to Ireland. I doubt very seriously if he enjoys hearing/reading the words “the Pittsburgh Steelers” and “sexual assualt” mentioned in the same sentence.
    I know I’ve had my fill of it; have ever since last year. If you enjoy the drama, great. Have at it.

  213. robhug71 says: Mar 27, 2010 10:08 PM

    @Steeler-lady: That’s right. I made it up.
    How about pulling yourself away from your computer long enough to discover new and refreshing insight into this matter. Deb’s stale insight doesn’t count.
    My post was in answer to someone up the page who had wondered what Roethlisberger’s BAC was. I was trying to provide what info I knew on that subject.
    You people are so paranoid, it’s pathetic.
    I doubt if you know if a football is blown up or stuffed, yet you pretend to be rightious Steelers fans out to protect your beloved quarterback.
    I’m gonna tell you what I told Deb: Roethlisberger wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. Roethlisberger is all about Roethlisberger.
    If he truly cared about you, the Steelers organization or the NFL, he’d keep his pants up in public.

  214. Deb says: Mar 27, 2010 10:35 PM

    @robhug71 …
    I don’t know whether to be impressed that a kindergartner has access to a computer or furious at myself for repeatedly allowing him to engage me in conversation. You can’t be adult about the discussion. You’ve got to keep up this idiotic juvenile “your hero” and “your boy Ben” BS.
    If you’d been paying attention to my posts, you’d know I don’t need a nimwit like you to educate me in life, football, the Pittburgh Steelers, and certainly not in international politics.
    None of us enjoys hearing the words “Pittsburgh Steelers” and “sexual assault” in the same sentence, you arrogant jackass. I’m a rape survivor. Do you think I enjoy hearing those words in the same sentence? When I’m trying to talk about things as serious as evidence and due process, do you think I enjoy having some monumental jerk keep up this juvenile “your hero” idiocy? As though, after what I’ve been through, I’m arguing on the basis of football hero worship???? Do you think I’m 12?????
    You are a freaking moron. And I have more than had my fill of you.

  215. pensacolasteelers says: Mar 28, 2010 10:14 AM

    Deb they can say they’re Steelers fans all they want but I don’t believe them.
    I will criticize Ben as much as anyone else and as loudly as I can IF and WHEN all the FACTS are laid out and he is CONVICTED. But unlike Rohbug and Reba, I am not going to convict or condemn him before then.

  216. Deb says: Mar 28, 2010 1:33 PM

    @pensacolasteelers …
    Not quite sure about RebaT, but I think you’re right about robhug71 not being a Steelers fan and just claiming it as a way to push our buttons. All this “your boy Ben” and “your hero” stuff–it’s like talking to a schoolchild. It trivializes the discussion.
    The irritating thing is I’ve never defended Ben. I’m defending a principle that you don’t railroad a man on gossip and innuendo. We still don’t even know what the girl alleges he did. But I’m confident, based on her statement and subsequent court filings, that he didn’t rape Andrea McNulty. And since he’s innocent of that sexual assault, it makes me seriously question the likelihood that he suddenly ran out and committed this one. I’m still waiting to hear any evidence to suggest otherwise.

  217. Deb says: Mar 28, 2010 3:53 PM

    @pensacolasteelers …
    Not quite sure about RebaT, but I think you’re right about robhug71 not being a Steelers fan and just claiming it as a way to push our buttons. All this “your boy Ben” and “your hero” stuff–it’s like talking to a schoolchild. It trivializes the discussion.
    The irritating thing is I’ve never defended Ben. I’m defending a principle that you don’t railroad a man on gossip and innuendo. We still don’t even know what the girl alleges he did. But I’m confident, based on her statement and subsequent court filings, that he didn’t rape Andrea McNulty. And since he’s innocent of that sexual assault, it makes me seriously question the likelihood that he suddenly ran out and committed this one. I’m still waiting to hear any evidence to suggest otherwise.

  218. pensacolasteelers says: Mar 28, 2010 8:15 PM

    “The irritating thing is I’ve never defended Ben. I’m defending a principle that you don’t railroad a man on gossip and innuendo.”
    EXACTLY!

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