Comments on: Todd McShay backlash builds

By: erod22

erod22 — Fri, 04 May 2012 15:37:33 +0000

So McShay was wrong about Snead, but the league was right about Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Jemarcus Russell, Cade McNown, Rick Mirer, Andre Ware, David Klingler……..?

Seems like someone has an ax to grind.

By: Fantasy Football

Fantasy Football — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:54:05 +0000

Mayock and Kiper have ego’s but they put their neck on the line with each prediction they make

By: Sumeria

Sumeria — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:38:22 +0000

Oh, it’s much more than Jamarcus Russell…
I remember him being high on Quincy Black, if memory serves. Ever heard of him? Nope.
I remember him ripping Sidney Rice. How’s his career going these days?
Yes, they ALL miss a large percentage of the time, so how is Mayock superior to the others? He isn’t. He’s just more palatable to some.

By: NightTrainNeckTie

NightTrainNeckTie — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:52:11 +0000

We can talk all we want about Mayock missing on Russel and being like “ooooooooooo, he missed on a physical freak that had all the scouts wowed.” or we can talk about the information and break down he has on every player, including the ones going 4th, 5th or later. That’s where scouting prevails. You don’t find hidden gems in the 1st round or even the 2nd round these days. Mayock is the man, but like everything NFL related it’s not an exact science.

By: ICEWALKER

ICEWALKER — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 10:12:13 +0000

To everyone who says, “I don’t watch ESPN anymore”;
LIAR!!!!!
You are typing words you fingers can’t cash. Search your feelings. You know what the truth is.
And why do some of these boards sound like a middle school ‘your mama’ session?
Remember back in the day someone would use a great line or word to say something bad about another kid? Then the rest of the school year that line or word was used over and over and over again?
‘Douche’ is that word on these comment boards.

By: Brennan

Brennan — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 03:42:53 +0000

McShay seems like a prick. Mayock’s a bad ass.

By: Sumeria

Sumeria — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:41:16 +0000

I love Mike Mayock, but he thought Jamarcus was the best QB coming out over the last decade. He couldn’t have been more wrong.
EVERY draftnik and scout gets plenty of them wrong. It’s like trying to hit a baseball…most fail over 70% of the time. A good draft guy is about the same.

By: Winston Wolfe

Winston Wolfe — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:11:45 +0000

A couple of years ago I picked up the phone and canceled my insiders subscription after watching ESPN and deciding the Todd McShay had officially become a clown….True Story.

By: florio4prez

florio4prez — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:18:26 +0000

Like most NFL nuts, I follow the draft closely. A couple of years ago I tested a sample my “knowledge” against Kiper’s in Round 1.
The results? I had more Round 1 players right, more players to a given team right, and more players taken in a given draft slot right. In two of the three categories, I beat him by five.
Skewed sample? Luck on my part? Maybe.
Or does it more likely help prove what several here have already said, that is, given the time, the tools, the tapes, etc, many of us could be just as good at this thing as Kiper and easily better than McShay. Mayock? I’m not so sure.
Bottom line though, Kiper and Florio have carved out lucrative niches for themselves doing what many of us could do just as well. And for that alone we should (occasionally at least) give it up to them.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:44:46 +0000

NightTrainNeckTie, I know that you were talking about Mayock. I put Mayock in between Kiper and McWrong, with McWrong WAY behind both of them.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:54:05 +0000

NightTrainNeckTie says:
It also helps that unlike most talking heads Mayock has actually been through the draft process himself and has played on a Bill Parcells NFL
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Funny, I can name several guys that have been through the draft process and played on a Bill Parcells team and aren’t any better than Todd McWrong, who I think is the worst. I think that the “snake chrmer” description is NOT what I’d call a good description because it means that he could say that JaMarcus Russell was Da Bomb and you guys would believe it. Oh wait, he DID heap all that praise on Russell…

By: NightTrainNeckTie

NightTrainNeckTie — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:38:49 +0000

I used to listen to Mel Kiper Jr pick games on the Tony Kornheiser radio show on 980 and he would go 9-1 or 8-2 on a regular basis and I can recall him having perfect sundays on multiple occasions. Kiper knows what he is talking about, he just looks and sounds like a douche.
The best part of this article is the shout out to Mayock. Mayock is a snake charmer to us NFL nuts, I could listen to him and drift off into lalala land any day of the week. Mayock breaks things down with an attention to football detail that is unparralled. It also helps that unlike most talking heads Mayock has actually been through the draft process himself and has played on a Bill Parcells NFL roster.

By: whiskerbiskit

whiskerbiskit — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:02:23 +0000

Mayock is the man. He’s the only one I pay attention to.
–Amen. The man knows his foosball.

By: jimicos

jimicos — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:42:59 +0000

Tompadre says:
April 1, 2010 6:16 PM
Why are the scouts picking on McShay and not the other suedo scouts? Is it because he comes across as arrogant and a know it all like Kiper first did? I’ve seen every single McShay opinion echoed by several other so called media experts. There were many who agreed with his take on Woodson, many who feel the same on Clausen and there were over a half dozen who shared his view on Snead before the start of the season (which is when McShay voiced his assessment). I highly doubt Snead and his family made the decision to enter the draft based on an opinion made nearly five months before, and if I’m not mistaken Snead stated he was entering the draft because of family financial considerations. For any scout to bring up someone’s missed assessment (Woodson seems to be the flavor of choice here) or even several mis-judgements of talent is ridiculous since all pro scouts have done exactly the same and then some. So the scout speaking to you Florio has a perfect record when it comes to his evaluations? I didn’t think so.
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^ This.
Also, is the story even worth printing if the guy wants to make these comments anonymously? Act like you’ve got a pair of balls and go on the record. Otherwise you’re just jealous.

By: GirthyOne

GirthyOne — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:01:21 +0000

The whole point for McShay and everyone else is to be entertaining. Since he is getting so much press, he is doing his job.

By: maxo

maxo — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:45:44 +0000

THIS GUY MEL KIPER HAD GIANTS TAKING MLB DAN CONOR OUT PENN STATE IN FIRST ROUND. THEN CHANGE HIS MIND HE SAID GIANTS WOULD TAKE TYRELL JOHNSON OVER KEENY PHILIPHS IN 1ST RD.EARY COLLEGE FOOTBALL SEASON MEL KIPER WITH HIS OWN MOUTH SAID TAYLOR MAYS IS BETTER THAN ERIC BERRY WITH HIS OWN MOUTH TO MCSHAY. NOW PLEASE ANY BODY OR SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW THIS GUY GOT THE JOB HIS DOING RIGHT NOW. CAUSE I THINK I WOULD BEAT HIM WHEN IT COMES TO DRAFTING PLAYERS TO THE NFL WITH AGE OF 20YRS OLD.

By: Stuart Scotts left eye

Stuart Scotts left eye — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:40:16 +0000

Is it too late to start a slow clap?

By: Tompadre

Tompadre — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:16:09 +0000

Why are the scouts picking on McShay and not the other suedo scouts? Is it because he comes across as arrogant and a know it all like Kiper first did? I’ve seen every single McShay opinion echoed by several other so called media experts. There were many who agreed with his take on Woodson, many who feel the same on Clausen and there were over a half dozen who shared his view on Snead before the start of the season (which is when McShay voiced his assessment). I highly doubt Snead and his family made the decision to enter the draft based on an opinion made nearly five months before, and if I’m not mistaken Snead stated he was entering the draft because of family financial considerations. For any scout to bring up someone’s missed assessment (Woodson seems to be the flavor of choice here) or even several mis-judgements of talent is ridiculous since all pro scouts have done exactly the same and then some. So the scout speaking to you Florio has a perfect record when it comes to his evaluations? I didn’t think so.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:39:55 +0000

When I look at the guys that are doing this, I don’t take into account any of their mock drafts because you could probably give a monkey the chance to fill out one and it would probably be as right as many of them. They get more accurate as the draft gets closer but still, who cares.
What I would rather focus on is what they have to say about the draftee and the team that he went to. For example, McWrong was all over Jerry Jones two years ago for taking Felix Jones over Mendenhall and he kept saying it was because both Joneses were alumni of Arkansas. The fact of the matter is that Jones was the perfect COMPLIMENT to Barber and Mendenhall wasn’t and they got the guy who could replace Barber, Choice, later in the draft. Any idiot out there would have been able to see who was the right choice but not McWrong. If you go back and watch what he says after each pick, you have to wonder if he ever watched the guys playing before he opened up his mouth. I’ve also seen that if Mel moves someone up on his draft board during the college season, McWrong is usually there to move him up a week later and he may fall in love with that player and keep him at the top of his list while the rest of the football world has written that player off.

By: FreeAgentPro

FreeAgentPro — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:49:07 +0000

Florio has sunk to the level of a baglady for NBC. He seems to be ragging on McShay to cast doubt upon ESPN as a source of accurate information. One source surmises that NBC may be planning to launch its own predraft show using Florio. Florio is now considered a jealous coward for using an anonymous source to trash a much better known personality like McShay. It’s just pathetic.

By: FreeAgentPro

FreeAgentPro — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:22:47 +0000

From SI.com : Second, we talk about Todd McShay getting blasted by an anonymous source on PFT. Is that kosher for Florio to run an anonymous slamjob like that without getting some other side or corroboration? And who is this scout who wasn’t named? That seems awful cowardly, whether you agree or not.
Now PFT/Florio is getting slammed for being cowardly with his anonymous slamjob. By implication, NBC reaches a new low for sponsoring this crap. I hope McShay puts the screws to PFT for such abysmal journalism standards.

By: twinsanity

twinsanity — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:16:55 +0000

LOL the NFL scouts are just upset they don’t have the profile these guys do and routinely have to bounce around the league for a long time. Meanwhile, McShay and Kiper have guaranteed cushy jobs that pay much more than the grunts who have to schlep around the country looking for talent.

By: Cerberus

Cerberus — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:35:26 +0000

You mean there are actually people that still watch BSPN? I stopped watching their arrogant biases asses back in the early 1990′s.

By: BigBear123

BigBear123 — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:10:11 +0000

Great article, this is why I keep coming back.

By: Bricketh

Bricketh — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:31:37 +0000

Guys, yes Patriots Football Weekly is a team-owned newspaper, but they do a podcast several times per week (twice a week in the offseason) called “PFW In Progress”, which is broadcast through the team site or available in iTunes, and is really good (and funny as hell). Again, it’s not about being a Pats fan, as they talk a lot about general NFL, and sometimes no football at all. Random banter, the guys are great, there is only one Pats homer among them (Andy is actually a closet Steelers fan, but he’s most of the way out of that closet). Aside from the show lead, Fred, the other guys rip on the team (and local/national media) as much, or more, than anyone, and deliver non-homer perspectives on the team. They are certainly not Patriots apologists. Heck, there are fans of other teams that hate the Pats that listen and send emails, specifically some Colts fans that stumbled upon it one time. It’s truly a hidden gem in the world of the NFL, and better than 99% of the content out there. Sorry to sound like an ad for them, but I hate when people make snap judgements just because they see the name “Patriots”. Give it a try, and I bet you will be back, regardless of what team(s) you support!

By: KillBill1

KillBill1 — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:26:42 +0000

Well, maybe agents are dishing out some “hype money” to these so-called analysts/scouts. Hey, i’m JUST SAYING…

By: KillBill1

KillBill1 — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:26:11 +0000

Well, maybe scouts are dishing out some “hype money” to these so-called analysts. Hey, i’m JUST SAYING…

By: warrick1005

warrick1005 — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:25:45 +0000

yea kiper and mcshay dont know everything and make mistakes, but NFL scouts are not much better. Russell, Carr, Alex Smith, Harrington, williamson, gholston… etc. the list goes on and on. so if the nfl scouts were so good why are there so many draft busts?!!!?!? kiper and mcshay are no worse than any of these nfl scouts.

By: Cornerdenizen

Cornerdenizen — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:22:59 +0000

@ignoringthehaters:
big props for use of the word”nancy boy.”

By: hotchick

hotchick — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:18:49 +0000

The one flaw in the NFL guys opinion is that its not after the draft where the Draft expert is going to look like a fool or not.
Its in the next year or two when the player either excels or flops.
But I guess its really depends on what the draft expert is claiming. If he is simply stating where he thinks a player will go, that is one thing. That’s just evaluating and predicting how the draft will play out. You dont really need to do any film work for that. That is all talkign with your connections and understanding smoke screens from truths.
If the draft nick is predicting where a player SHOULD be drafted, that is a whole different story. Is Clausen the best QB or Bradford, or someone else? Then it is BS to claim someone making that claim will be shown a fool at the draft. We wont know who is right until the players play in the NFL. If I tell you I think Clausen will be better then Bradford, am I proven wrong when Bradford goes #1 and Clasen lasts until pick 17?
Finally Kiper (who I do not like) often focuses on “this guy was a reach” statement. Then people rip him saying “but the team needed a Strong Safetly and this was the best SS on the board.” But, if you could have traded down 7 slots and still drafted the same player, Kiper would be correct. That is often what Kiper points out on draft day.
We are often too quick to rip a draft guy for what he says. But we often dont pay attention to what the guy is actually saying.
Is it where a guy will be drafted base don what they here. Who could have tried to wait on a guy based on what they hear. Is it where they think a player deserves to be drafted based on their evaluation of the player?