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Broncos, Patriots draft off a short board

The best way to avoid drafting players you don’t really want is to take them off your draft board.

That’s the theory, anyhow, used by Bill Belichick in New England and some of his proteges around the NFL.  Jeff Legwold of the Denver Post has an interesting piece Sunday about how Josh McDaniels uses a “short board” when drafting, like his old boss.

Most teams list all potential draft picks on their board.  That can top 300 players. The Broncos had under 100 players last year, the only ones that fit what Denver wants to do.

“We want the players on our board that we
want on our team — that’s the goal,” McDaniels said. “It’s the process
we go through to make the best decisions, both short- and long-term for
our team.”

Belichick has reportedly had as few as 25 players on his board one year, which is remarkable.

The approach makes sense, but McDaniels still must show he can pick the right players for such a short draft board.

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  1. Flyingelvislogosucksbringbackpatpatriot says: Apr 11, 2010 10:36 AM

    Mcdaniels is such a weiner.

  2. tonyinmd says: Apr 11, 2010 10:43 AM

    Almost all teams do that.
    I know for a fact that Ozzie in Baltimore typically only has about 120 or so “draftable” players on his board.
    And looking at how often the Pats trade out of rounds/picks, 25 players being draftable isn’t shocking for Belichick and it probably has contributed to thier decline.

  3. DCPowerGator says: Apr 11, 2010 10:44 AM

    Isn’t Brian Xanders supposed to be playing the Pioli to McDaniels’ Belichick here? On second thought, maybe he is. It’s not a lot of coaches, especially ones who have accomplished nothing on their own, who can get away with talking about the draft philosophy without even mentioning the GM. You know, the guy who theoretically hired him. Not only that, Xanders wasn’t even mentioned in the Legwold piece. Strange.
    For whatever reason, Bowlen’s pushed all his chips in behind Boy Wonder. Meanwhile, nearly every part of the Belichick coaching tree looks like it has root rot. And Shanny’s already the talk of the NFL world in DC. D’oh!

  4. steelerfan9598 says: Apr 11, 2010 10:51 AM

    McDaniels is such a Bilichick wannabe that it’s pathetic.

  5. elwayisgod says: Apr 11, 2010 10:54 AM

    McDooshbag hasn’ t proved anything other than he’s a complete arrogant jackass. Look at his first four picks last year: Moreno (ok), Richard Quinn(who?), Robert Ayers(switched positions), Elfonso Smith(can’t even crack top 6)….. Complete fricking joke. Bronc’s are in deep doodoo for years to come…….

  6. brownsfn says: Apr 11, 2010 10:55 AM

    YOUR NOT BILL BILLICHECK!!!! I wish these clowns would realize this…especially Mangini and Mcdaniels…Its getting old..

  7. old bronco fan says: Apr 11, 2010 10:59 AM

    Napolean needs to expand his board, or get better scouts. Its appareent he can’t judge talent, or the players he feels fit the “program” aren’t very good players

  8. Desides says: Apr 11, 2010 11:00 AM

    This is a Parcells trademark. The Dolphins do this as well.

  9. spudz says: Apr 11, 2010 11:00 AM

    Who wouldn’t do this???

  10. Chev Chelios says: Apr 11, 2010 11:12 AM

    Don’t you mean take them OFF your draft board? Instant fail on the post.

  11. Rick says: Apr 11, 2010 11:16 AM

    makes a lot of sense. why put someone on your board who doesn’t fit your system. There is a reason teams that draft well(Ravens, Eagles, Patriots) are always around come playoff time.

  12. Citizen Strange says: Apr 11, 2010 11:19 AM

    What a crock of arrogant horseshoot. Chad Jackson was on the Pats’ precious short list?
    The start and end of Belichick’s success was accidentally drafting Tom Brady in the sixth round.
    Without that Belichick is the exact same below .500 non playoff making coach that he ALWAYS was and is when Tom Brady is not his starter.
    Look at the completeley ZERO lack of success that all of Belichick’s staff has had once they left New England and didn’t have Tom Brady to QB their team.
    There is no genius “system” way of doing things by Belichick. He got deaf, dumb and blind lucky drafting Brady in the sixth round and if not for that woulod have been fired at least five years ago.
    Also ….. insert hack short bus joke here.

  13. picayune says: Apr 11, 2010 11:21 AM

    Seems unlikely Belichick would keep a board of only 25 players. Assuming that other teams will draft many of those, and factoring in that the Patriots generally have 10 of so picks available, he could easily run out of players.

  14. Iron Wolf says: Apr 11, 2010 11:36 AM

    Well, as much as I hate to admit it, the Pats haven’t exactly been lighting it up the past few years in the draft. When they were perennial contenders they took too many chances. I think last year was a return to basics as the team was in need of a facelift, and it seems like their best draft in a while. Let’s hope they keep that up.

  15. CKL says: Apr 11, 2010 12:02 PM

    Iron Wolf says:
    April 11, 2010 11:36 AM
    Well, as much as I hate to admit it, the Pats haven’t exactly been lighting it up the past few years in the draft. When they were perennial contenders they took too many chances. I think last year was a return to basics as the team was in need of a facelift, and it seems like their best draft in a while. Let’s hope they keep that up.
    __________________________________
    I agree the Pats have had some head scratchers lately…but I try to keep in mind that their team was pretty well stocked with good players until 2006-07. It was going to be harder to get those lower round (sub 1st) guys to make those types of teams & contribute. Along with usually drafting in the lower half of the rounds, this factors into the success of the drafts. This year they have a TON of holes ( I think they were the worst division winner last year strength of team/talent wise in the AFC for sure & probably the NFL) so let’s see what happens now.

  16. salty says: Apr 11, 2010 12:03 PM

    not a surprise… i know for a fact mangini only had about 80 on board last year. then again, doesn’t mean he had the right guys. heckert will be running it this year so who knows…

  17. DCPowerGator says: Apr 11, 2010 12:11 PM

    salty – could you please ask mangini why david veikune was one of the 80? many thanks!
    sincerely,
    browns fans

  18. DCPowerGator says: Apr 11, 2010 12:14 PM

    citizenstrange – chad jackson was not really a blown pick, he had a blown knee and another leg injury. he would have been a productive NFL receiver otherwise. to me, blown picks are highly drafted guys who just sucked without having the excuse of injuries. e.g., your mamulas, mandarichs, gholstons, ginns and jalardasses.

  19. 1137vine says: Apr 11, 2010 12:24 PM

    I am a professional negotiator and I think this philosophy is foolish. If these guys want to put a red check mark next to “their guys” that would be fine, but leaving other players off the board restricts the ability to get VALUE. For example last year Josh had a shot at Orakapo (sp) and could have traded down a few spots and still gotten Moreno. Similar problem with Alphonso Smith and the TE Quinn. Knowing what other teams are likely to do on draft day is just as important as any play called on game day. You have to consider where your opponent is weak or strong. Did you ever play poker or chess? A key to competition is knowing your competitor’s likely move. Josh’s draft style forfeits all of that, and it is unwise.

  20. smithopher says: Apr 11, 2010 12:50 PM

    Thats how it should be. if you run a 3-4 defense, don’t look at 4-3 players. look for running backs who suit your style of run game. if you’re a pass first team, it never hurts to get a new weapon to throw in the slot for over the field possession catches. As a jets fan, I want to see them get a good wideout option for sanchez to develop with. golden tate could be a good option for years to come

  21. Matt says: Apr 11, 2010 12:51 PM

    Yes, the Pats have not been as good lately for their standards, however, they were 11-5.
    About those raging on Belichick
    If, If, If …. he did draft Tom Brady and with a 6th round pick for someone who only started 1 year. How many picks were before him? I think, might be wrong but aren’t there something like 21 other starters plus backups (a huge Belichick strength) and special teams? Besides the fact that he picked Brady, it takes a lot more. What was the Lions record this past year – 12-4 or something like that, NOT?

  22. monet99 says: Apr 11, 2010 12:56 PM

    25 players? no way it is that few

  23. Sam says: Apr 11, 2010 12:59 PM

    DCpowergator- actually that is a blown pick, yes a freak accident, however this pains me to use this similarity but here it goes, the bills drafted willis mcgahee with the 23rd pick overall in the 03 draft, and thats after he suffered what looked like to a carrer ender becasue of all the risk in a running back with a surgically repaired knee, but after a year on the bench he comes in and lights it up 1100 yards on theground and 13 tds, now what im getting at is that its more of a mental injury than a physical one, your going to get hurt paying in the NFL, and alot of rooks end up hurt because of speed and intensity of game unlike in college, but they still need to bounce back, now if he blew out his knee and it took him a few years to recover but showing progress both on and off the field thats a diffrent story but Chad J. has been a journeyman he obviously shows physical tools, or else hed be on the street, but they never translate to the field, and if anyone hasnt noticed i am from the BLO and finnaly some hate for the pats, I love it!

  24. tj.52 says: Apr 11, 2010 1:05 PM

    Citizen Strange says:
    Without that Belichick is the exact same below .500 non playoff making coach that he ALWAYS was and is when Tom Brady is not his starter.
    Also ….. insert hack short bus joke here.
    ———————————————————
    @Citizen Strange:
    1) Belichick is exactly 16-16 without Brady as his starter, and that includes a 5-11 2000 season in which he inherited a horrible team in major decline.
    2) Thanks for ruining the potential for short bus jokes.
    Wet blanket.

  25. UDsigep99 says: Apr 11, 2010 1:14 PM

    Citizen Strange says:
    The start and end of Belichick’s success was accidentally drafting Tom Brady in the sixth round.
    Without that Belichick is the exact same below .500 non playoff making coach that he ALWAYS was and is when Tom Brady is not his starter.
    ———————–
    I forget — what was the Pats’ record in 2008, after Brady went down 1 1/2 quarters into the season?!?!? It was 11-5, which I think if my math skills are above a 3rd graders’, is above .500… And that are the only 16 games anyone has played QB for the Pats since Bledsoe was traded.

  26. Byrd Is The Word says: Apr 11, 2010 1:36 PM

    When exactly was New England’s last successful draft?

  27. TheSleepness says: Apr 11, 2010 1:43 PM

    pats are still the pats but there’s no question the fish and the jets gained ground due to stronger drafts as of late.

  28. Dixon29 says: Apr 11, 2010 2:04 PM

    Mangini is the best coach of all these bums. Mark it down.

  29. Iron Wolf says: Apr 11, 2010 2:10 PM

    Honestly folks, you need to find some teams that SUCK at drafting, Pats aren’t one of them. They aren’t always great, but I’ll take ‘em. Last year we found our next starting LT in Vollmer, a guy that wasn’t even at the Combine. Edelman stepped in for Welker as well as you could hope for a rookie. We drafted a long-snapper that was perfect all year. Pryor was a steal and will fight for significant playing time on the DL. Butler, Chung, Brace, Tate and McKenzie will all contribute more. It was actually a good draft, but agreed that it was desperately needed. 2010 needs to be similar.

  30. Drafty says: Apr 11, 2010 2:22 PM

    1137vine has it right.
    McDips**t – true to his arrogant form – says he doesn’t care how other teams value players he’s targeted, but you have to care. You aren’t the only player in the game.
    His draft last year, particularly the trade of a first-round pick for Smith, was pitiful. As the season wore on, McTwitchy made an excuse that he didn’t have enough time to prep for the draft – an admission that his 2009 class was a dog.
    I don’t know who he’ll blame this year, but I’m sure he won’t accept culpability.

  31. rusH1023 says: Apr 11, 2010 2:27 PM

    @ Citizen Strange, et al
    “Belichick got lucky drafting Brady”
    …using his *possibly* very short list of draftable players that they want to acquire for the team.
    The idiocy is unbearable.

  32. CutlerIsACryBaby says: Apr 11, 2010 2:35 PM

    Citizen Strange says: April 11, 2010 11:19 AM
    Without that Belichick is the exact same below .500 non playoff making coach that he ALWAYS was and is when Tom Brady is not his starter.
    ….Ever hear of *Matt Cassel* ? (11-5)

  33. Dick says: Apr 11, 2010 2:36 PM

    Hey Tonyinmd, let me get this straight. Belichick has coached the Pats for approx 10 years in which they have won their(check that spelling) division almost every year. They have been to the big bash 4 times and have won it 3 times, all while Bill has used a short draft board, and that has contributed to their(again, check that spelling) decline? What decline? Do they need to win it every year to satisfy you as to their (again, that’s THEIR) consistency? How often do you connect with your brain?

  34. dogma1 says: Apr 11, 2010 2:54 PM

    sounds really stupid. I hope Josh McDaneils is the coach in Denver for a very long time because he is a joke, so overrated.

  35. stefanovich says: Apr 11, 2010 2:56 PM

    tonyinmd says: April 11, 2010 10:43 AM
    Almost all teams do that.
    I know for a fact that Ozzie in Baltimore typically only has about 120 or so “draftable” players on his board.
    —————————————–
    Ozzie learned how to draft from Belichick when Belichick hired him in Cleveland.

  36. VanDolPhan says: Apr 11, 2010 3:29 PM

    Someone didn’t do their research well enough. This traces back to Parcells.
    In fact if you go back to last year the reason they traded away their last 7th to K.C. was because their board was picked clean of ‘draft worthy’ players.

  37. DarkHorse81 says: Apr 11, 2010 3:33 PM

    tonyinmd says:
    April 11, 2010 10:43 AM
    Almost all teams do that.
    I know for a fact that Ozzie in Baltimore typically only has about 120 or so “draft able” players on his board.
    And looking at how often the Pats trade out of rounds/picks, 25 players being draft able isn’t shocking for Belichick and it probably has contributed to their decline
    ————————————————–
    Wow unlike you TONYINMD I don’t expect the Patriots to win the Super Bowl every year but at lease they’re in the discussion each and every year, more than I can say for a lot of teams not name the Colts or Steelers

  38. Ron says: Apr 11, 2010 3:37 PM

    This is a Parcells trademark. The Dolphins do this as well.
    Just ask Pat White and Pat Turner

  39. salty says: Apr 11, 2010 5:02 PM

    DC power: read before you write… figures a gator fan would miss the obvious. must have been looking at his shirtless tebow shrine instead of reading my post…
    I stated:
    “then again, doesn’t mean he had the right guys”

  40. salty says: Apr 11, 2010 5:05 PM

    DC power gator (again): chad jackson – really? and you just compared him to ginn?
    chad jackson has 14 receptions in 3 years… ginn hads 128.
    note: i’m not taking draft position into account. i, also, laughed hysterically when the dolphins picked him! but really….
    go back to the college football site my friend.

  41. Bious says: Apr 11, 2010 6:14 PM

    McDaniels better prove quickly that his way works with actual playoff victories.
    He has been all talk so far and is doing the exact opposite of what they have previously done which got them Super Bowls

  42. TheWizard says: Apr 11, 2010 7:45 PM

    McDaniels isn’t even the GM of the Broncos.
    What makes you think he runs their draft?

  43. broncosteviep says: Apr 11, 2010 7:50 PM

    @Bious…..
    He would actually have to get to the playoffs in order to win one.
    I’ve said it before and I will say it again…last years Denver Broncos draft was the worst in the history of the NFL. Never has a team had 3 #1 pick and whiffed on the all. And our second round pick of Richard Quinn (zero catches the entire year) was worse than all of the first rounders. Now that is baaaaad. It’s worse than the Saints draft that sent all of their picks to the Redskins for Ricky Williams.

  44. VegasBronco says: Apr 12, 2010 2:57 PM

    This just goes to show how smart Pat Bowlen is. He brings in a bright future type guy to headup his organization. Other owners just hire the HOT coach.
    Coach McDaniels and GM Xanders have put together an excellent base of players. 2009 draft was no exception. Every selection contributed (except Schedler) and will be a starter or rotating backup in 2010.
    I see no difference in the 2010 draft. Look for them to reap four main contributers, maybe even two starters.
    Great job guys

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