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Boston attorney says he investigated another Roethlisberger incident

So with the possibility of a Georgia prosecution official gone and only a civil lawsuit in Nevada remaining, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger can exhale and focus only on playing football and not barhopping, right?

Maybe not.

Boston lawyer Harry Manion told WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan Show on Tuesday that Manion was involved in an investigation regarding another Big Ben incident.

Said Manion:  “[T]here is a history here this is just super troubling.”

Manion specifically referred to an incident from 2009, also in Nevada.  “Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to
investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas
nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl’s story,” Manion said.

Manion believes that, if Roethlisberger ever is going to change his ways, the near miss in Georgia will be the impetus.

“Unless he’s totally brain dead — and we don’t know — he would be
scared,” Manion said.  “Because he has really walked a perilous line
here.  There’s a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have
connected with several other people that have experience.  And you know,
there’s only so far that he said/she said will get you.  There’s only
so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid.  And
there’s only so far that, ‘Gee, we’re celebrities, we have a target on
our back,’ will get you.  When you see this much smoke, month after
month and continuously . . . .  It’s the scene that he’s gotten himself caught up
with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good.  But it’s
hurting him.  He’s hurt.  He has been damaged.  And the next one, the wrath
of God’s going to come down on him, if there is a next one.”

It’s compelling stuff, and we agree with Manion’s take.  That said, the guy has a set of large brass ones to talk about allegations that never were pursued in criminal or civil court.  A certain degree of immunity applies to statement made in conjunction with official legal proceedings.  Manion has placed himself at risk for a defamation claim, especially by suggesting that there are incidents beyond the Vegas case that he personally handled.

Then again, the primary injury in a defamation case occurs to the reputation of the plaintiff.  Like Pacman Jones threatening to sue ESPN in early 2009 after the network released more information about an alleged Atlanta strip club shooting from 2007, Jones would be able to prove no damage to the manner in which any potential untruths harmed his reputation because his reputation already was horrendous. 

Ben faces the same challenge.  Suing Manion or anyone else who claims that he has a more extensive history of Milledgeville-style encounters would expose Roethlisberger’s entire sexual history and his broader reputation to scrutiny.  As Roger Clemens has learned the hard way, nothing good comes from that approach — especially if hanging in the closet next the devil-face T-shirt is a collection of skeletons. 

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160 Responses to “Boston attorney says he investigated another Roethlisberger incident”
  1. hizzle1281 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:17 AM

    Strike 3
    YOUR OUT!!

  2. GoBrowns19 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:21 AM

    The fact that this attorney DID put himself at risk for a defamation lawsuit either means he is confident Ben would be too scared to open this up for a lawsuit or he is totally braindead. Judging from what we’ve heard over the last few weeks, I’d have to conclude the former.

  3. rickah8888 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:21 AM

    “Unless he’s totally brain dead ”
    That has already been, clearly, established! Both on and off the field!

  4. BBB82 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:23 AM

    This is getting freaking ridiculous. How many “incidents” really need to go down before something is done? I don’t know how he can even show his face in public anymore.

  5. War_Paint says: Apr 13, 2010 11:23 AM

    Oh man, this is just getting more interesting by the day. All of Rapistsexburglers victims are going to come out of the woodwork, just like Tigers did.

  6. Maddog says: Apr 13, 2010 11:24 AM

    Gotta hand it to you Florio, you know how to drum up hits for your site. God I miss the old days when you actually reported on football stories.

  7. darrius_heyward-bey-butterfingers says: Apr 13, 2010 11:25 AM

    When did they get rid of Santonio? Strike 5, 6? Big Ben can rest assured he’s ok if this sort of thing ever happens once again.

  8. Bdrunk says: Apr 13, 2010 11:25 AM

    So what became of this investigation?

  9. Florio-is-a-tool says: Apr 13, 2010 11:25 AM

    Any truth to the rumour Ben is going to move to South Hadley MA so he can live with his kindred soul mates?

  10. Spoonthis says: Apr 13, 2010 11:26 AM

    This guy must be a great lawyer. If he had so much evidence against Ben, where is the case at? What about a confidentiality agreement with his client? Sounds like a religious Patriot fan trying to strike while the iron is hot.
    “When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously”
    Give me a break idiot. The first incident has basically been disproven so what the f*ck does month after month mean? I love lawyers. Why is this lawyer on the radio? To get attention for himself. Now that’s a scumbag.

  11. Outlaw Jersey Whales says: Apr 13, 2010 11:26 AM

    Boston lawyer Harry Manion says on TV:
    “When I’m investigating a case, I leave nothing to chance! That’s why I ALWAYS use the resources and expertise, which are 100% money-back guaranteed, of the Belichick Videographics and Optics, Co. Inc!

  12. InBBWeTrust says: Apr 13, 2010 11:26 AM

    Let’s hope a serial rapist wasn’t just let of the hook yesterday. Very scary.

  13. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Apr 13, 2010 11:27 AM

    thats just stupid lawyer talk no one cares about your opinion florio

  14. Popeye says: Apr 13, 2010 11:29 AM

    what is it with Pittsburgh and dumb QB’s???

  15. Sterling says: Apr 13, 2010 11:29 AM

    And people said the woman in Milledgeville was a golddigger. Ha.

  16. FLYBOY says: Apr 13, 2010 11:30 AM

    Ruthlessonfurburger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. Big Stretch says: Apr 13, 2010 11:31 AM

    Typical scumbag lawyer move. This guy just wants the free publicity. Shakespeare was right – first thing we do is kill all the lawyers.

  18. ArtModellsPimp says: Apr 13, 2010 11:32 AM

    WTF?
    Is there anyone still living who does NOT believe that this is Rapistberger’s lifestyle?
    Bitch, please…

  19. boysroll says: Apr 13, 2010 11:32 AM

    i love that the squealers have become the new crime laden team in the NFL. Its pretty obvious big dum is clueless. I think not wearing that helmet on his motorcycle has caused this guy to understand right and wrong.
    Biggest moron in the leagues hands down.

  20. BenRapistberger says: Apr 13, 2010 11:32 AM

    I’ll trade you a brick for a sheep.

  21. rusH1023 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:33 AM

    # Maddog says: April 13, 2010 11:24 AM
    Gotta hand it to you Florio, you know how to drum up hits for your site. God I miss the old days when you actually reported on football stories.
    __________________________________________
    You do? This used to be strictly a rumor-mill. Now, he actually reports on relevant (for the most part, unless it involves Randy Moss) content.
    You’re a dumbdumb.

  22. fc1_87 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:33 AM

    So why is this guy just now speaking up? Where was he a month ago?

  23. CKL says: Apr 13, 2010 11:34 AM

    I hope Goodell asks him about this one too….AND talks to this lawyer. Same for the Steelers brass (who are the only ones who should be suspending him if they so choose IMO…not the NFL). I read it this am and sent it to PFT. I am sure I was one of many to do so though.

  24. jimicos says: Apr 13, 2010 11:37 AM

    War_Paint says:
    April 13, 2010 11:23 AM
    Oh man, this is just getting more interesting by the day. All of Rapistsexburglers victims are going to come out of the woodwork, just like Tigers did.
    ————————–
    Say what you want about Roethlisberger, but Tiger was never accused of rape. Certainly not two or three times.

  25. PFTiswhatitis says: Apr 13, 2010 11:39 AM

    Spoonthis: isnt it time to stop apologizing for your boy and admit he might have a problem?
    Whay are you so far up Bens ass?

  26. Omega says: Apr 13, 2010 11:40 AM

    For what it is worth department. I heard from from a trusted source that Big Ben had an “incident” in High School and that was dropped because of the treatment that the accuser faced and would face. And that this was a key reason why tOSU did not recruit him.
    If this is true then it is no wonder that a star athlete would feel enabled and believe he is untouchable.

  27. bomberchick20 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:41 AM

    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire! He’s just a horrible person in general from what I hear. I have family that lives in Findlay, OH (where he grew up) and his babysitter from elementary school saw him in a grocery store and he acted like he didn’t know who she was… That’s just crappy and that makes you just a bad person. Why not be nice to the people that got you where you are? I don’t doubt one bit that he did what everyone’s claiming he did. He’s just a jerk and he feels entitled also, he thinks he can get away with everything. He’s losing his touch on the football field also and maybe that’s cause he’s got chicks on the brain or something.

  28. The Real Shuxion says: Apr 13, 2010 11:41 AM

    WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan Show
    ————————————————-
    Toucher and Rich > Dennis and Callahan
    (I listen to them online here in St. Louis everyday)

  29. Rev. Dr. HollywoodWags says: Apr 13, 2010 11:41 AM

    Sexual McCarthyites peeking into Ben’s bedroom, probably pounding their puds at the thought of being the star QB and hooking up.
    What a bunch of freaking busybody Grandma’s. LOL

  30. wydok says: Apr 13, 2010 11:42 AM

    I wish someone would actually charge Rapistburger with something…

  31. Football says: Apr 13, 2010 11:44 AM

    Once again Florio completely wiffs on his analysis of a legal issue. The only statement of fact that Manion said was “Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl’s story” If that is true then there is no defamation case against him. Everything else he said was just an opinion. Again, nothing that is going to expose him to any liability.

  32. Ricken says: Apr 13, 2010 11:44 AM

    Braindead on and off the field? God you haters are the braindead ones. As a lifelong Steeler fan I will be the 1st to agree with you that off the field Ben is a mental midget. He constantly puts himself in bad situatiions and in turn has created a black cloud over the organization. But to suggest that on the field he is not one of the best in league is just retarded. 2 Super Bowl wins, most wins by a rookie…shall I go on?

  33. BaltimoreSports says: Apr 13, 2010 11:44 AM

    The Three Rivers Rapist Strikes Again!

  34. NFLMMAfan says: Apr 13, 2010 11:44 AM

    Ben’s “story” options:
    “Come on Commish, this happens all the time to famous people like you and me, right?”
    “I didn’t do anything wrong this time or the other time(s)”.
    “Blame it on the ‘roids, man. They make me crazy for the women I get drunk.”
    “I took precautions and wore my motorcycle helmet this time.”
    “The Goddamn Bitch set me up!”

  35. jimicos says: Apr 13, 2010 11:44 AM

    Bdrunk says:
    April 13, 2010 11:25 AM
    So what became of this investigation?
    ————————–
    Probably the same thing as the other two.. It’s difficult to prove anything when only two people are involved and they have different accounts of what happened behind closed doors… And one of them is obscenely rich and the other is not.
    Here’s what I don’t understand. Clearly, the Milledgeville DA didn’t think he had enough to charge Roethlisberger with rape or sexual misconduct or whatever they’re calling it. Fine. But it sounds like he’s got plenty of evidence to charge him with indecent exposure, supplying a minor with alcohol, etc. Why did he drop the entire thing? He saw fit to describe the events of that night in his statement–why not follow through with lesser charges? Even if the accuser doesn’t want to cooperate at all doesn’t he have anyone at the club or with the group of girls who can testify that Roethlisberger was supplying them with liquor?

  36. eepobee says: Apr 13, 2010 11:45 AM

    lawyer from MA? patriots fan? unreliable source!

  37. BillsFan27 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:45 AM

    Well, here we go. How far can it really go?
    Big Ben = 100% Rapist. Forget the allegations, forget the hush money, forget all of the denials. The dide IS a rapist. Period.
    No matter what happens, karma is a bitch he won’t be able to rape.

  38. mmdd1111 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:45 AM

    Obviously all the posters outraged at the attorney are Steelers fans. Get a clue, your QB may be a rapist.

  39. Chapnasty2 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:45 AM

    @ maddogg
    I really don’t see how you could possibly think this doesn’t fall into the football storie category you speak of. This is clearly football related and it is clearly a rumor and Fat Ben is cleary deserving of punishment.

  40. jwill007 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:46 AM

    Dog get you a woman and chill the -uck out! This bathroom meet up at the clubs is whack….You also should be recording your shit to prove you are innocent UNLESS you really think you can continue to get away from it…..
    Perception is Reality
    CHANGE THE PERCEPTION!

  41. winslow says: Apr 13, 2010 11:50 AM

    Rooney now knows that his qb is a sexual predator. We will see what punishment is considered to be appropriate for a Steeler who rapes women from sea to shining sea.
    “# Big Stretch says: April 13, 2010 11:31 AM
    Typical scumbag lawyer move. This guy just wants the free publicity. Shakespeare was right – first thing we do is kill all the lawyers.”
    I would rather kill the rapists.
    If the girls don’t know each other and are telling the same story with the same details, the only people who will not acknowledge Big Ben’s guilt are Steeler fans and Special Olympians…which are frequently one in the same.

  42. Gautam says: Apr 13, 2010 11:50 AM

    the way he plays (and rides a motorcycle), I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s really brain dead

  43. Tony Alexander says: Apr 13, 2010 11:52 AM

    “Spoonthis”
    If this firm was retained to investigate the potential for litigation and the “victim” went away, voluntarily or with the assistance of a check, signed with several zeros, there would be no confidentiality to violate. The proverbial car sounds like it was stuck in neutral and went nowhere…
    That does not mean nothing happened.
    Repeated acts of the same behavior dictate propensity and pattern…
    Ben can be rich, party all he wants and screw everything that moves – it’s his right to do so… That said: fame + money + booze + questionable morality = disaster!

  44. white caveman says: Apr 13, 2010 11:53 AM

    white thug i bet he only gets 1game suspension.
    god will hold him responsible.

  45. myspaceyourface says: Apr 13, 2010 11:53 AM

    Nothing like a guy from Boston to PILE ON. . . Let me give the PATS three strikes * * *.

  46. robert ethan says: Apr 13, 2010 11:53 AM

    Any truth to the rumor that Roethlisberger requested the club to play the theme from “Deliverance” before he followed that girl into the bathroom?

  47. Richm2256 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:53 AM

    I wonder if Roger Goodell listens to WEEI???
    Manion is too smart to put himself in the way of a defamation suit….. most likely he knows some dirt on Roethlisberger and knows Roethlisberger knows he knows and wouldn’t risk yet another public shootout on sexual assault in bringing a defamation suit. It’s clear all Roethlisbeger wants to do is force himself on women and pay them off; he doesn’t really want to modify his behavior. Raping women is apparently like eating Lay’s Potato Chips; you just can’t stop at one.
    Manion’s client may well have decided to not file a complaint, or worse, may also have taken Big Ben’s money ….. how many women can this guy buy off before he either gets the message that raping women is wrong (and not friendly to a balance sheet!) or just goes broke?

  48. tryagain says: Apr 13, 2010 11:53 AM

    i knew i should have hit vegas last week- 1. i was confident ben wasn’t going to be there 2. i was on a roll.
    for instance, on american idol i knew the bottom 3 in order and even that the judges would use the save on big mike. i also knew this ben thing wasn’t gonna die, only gonna get worse. face it steeler fans, he probably looks more disgusting now than if he had been charged. enjoy having this charming and brilliant man on your team!

  49. Stillerz says: Apr 13, 2010 11:54 AM

    That statements sounds like it was composed entirely of several PFT commentors posts over the past couple weeks….
    Starts off with a shot to his stupidity from a Browns fan: “Unless he’s totally brain dead — and we don’t know”
    Followed by a Ravens fan who claims to know 10 people that have met Big Ben personally he was an asshole to all of them: “There’s a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience.”
    Then Florios 2 cents about Ben paying the girls to make it go away: “There’s only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid.
    And finally a quote from a Bengals fan who is hoping Ben will be suspended so he can’t torch them again this season: “When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously . . . . It’s the scene that he’s gotten himself caught up with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good.”
    I am starting to believe that this Manion guy doesn’t even exists, hes simply a “unnamed source” i.e. Florio himself.

  50. toasty981 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:54 AM

    For defamation:
    1) Wouldn’t Ben have to show malice / reckless disregard for the truth?
    a) How does the privileged nature of the communication impact the lawyer’s duty to investigate the allegations? If he looked into her allegations, is that enough? Could he even talk about his investigation due to privilege?
    Is he breaching ethics by discussing the case in the first place? [But even if it did, I assume it wouldn’t make much of a difference to the mens rea for defamation?].
    2) Wouldn’t truth be a defense? I’m assuming the lawyer couldn’t introduce privileged material without the privilege being waived, but that assumes the alleged victim wouldn’t waive privilege. Also, couldn’t she simply testify? The alleged victim may well be spurred on by these repeat allegations and decide enough is enough.

  51. internettoughguy says: Apr 13, 2010 11:54 AM

    DOH!!
    A good portion of this could be bandwagon jumping and piling on. Then again, there is the tired, over-used “where there is smoke there is fire” cliche.
    Note to Ben:
    “Hey, Dumb-Azz, make your move when they are semi-sober (or at least semi-consciuous) and see what happens and you never have these problems. It’s called a moral compass…..if you need them in that state to get yours, you are a scumbag.”

  52. RayDaMayor says: Apr 13, 2010 11:54 AM

    Dear Steeler Fans,
    Man up and stop defending this idiot. Would you want him dating your sister?
    Ray

  53. Sandra Lee's Cans says: Apr 13, 2010 11:57 AM

    Hey Ben. When are you going to realize that money and fame doesn’t make fugly guys un-fugly. Your mom must really be proud. Buy some soap and shampoo and try asking a girl out sometime. You may be surprised.

  54. shaunypoo says: Apr 13, 2010 11:57 AM

    Do you think Goodell will feel like an idiot when he looks back from his talk with Ben?
    Goodell : “Are there any other instances that I need to know about?”
    Ben : “No, sir, not a one. I am as clean as a preachers sheets.”
    Goodell : “Good, don’t let this happen again, son, or I will have to suspend you for a game.”
    Ben : “Sounds good to me. You got any bars around here?”

  55. myspaceyourface says: Apr 13, 2010 11:57 AM

    fc1_87 – – – Very good point. . . He waited until now to say something. . . Just wanted to keep it going. Pile on. I don’t deny that Big Ben needs to lock Baby Ben up for a while. I honestly have a very hard time thinking that he actually RAPED anyone. . . These pro athletes have women throwing themselves at em all the time. . . Just because they regret it afterwords doesn’t give them the right to sue or claim abuse.

  56. joe6606 says: Apr 13, 2010 11:58 AM

    hey I’m a lawyer and I had a client and she came to me alleging that Florio her in a studio in West Virginia, rubbing his hair piece all over her
    if you cant link a name or at least an ongoing investigation, your credibility is a terrible as mine

  57. myspaceyourface says: Apr 13, 2010 11:58 AM

    Ben wasn’t accused of rape either, funny how that works.

  58. 69ers says: Apr 13, 2010 12:00 PM

    As a Steeler fan, this is really starting to become sad. Looks like the Dennis Dixon era is about to begin..along with several 6-10 seasons.

  59. Richm2256 says: Apr 13, 2010 12:00 PM

    Spoonthis says:
    This guy must be a great lawyer. If he had so much evidence against Ben, where is the case at? What about a confidentiality agreement with his client?
    ————————————————
    Follow the damn link, moron:
    “The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here — and I can’t say any further because we never proceeded with it — but there is a history here that is just super troubling.”

  60. munchkin says: Apr 13, 2010 12:01 PM

    Ha, HA, Ha…..OMG, that Belichick video stuff gets me every time; classic and fresh!!!!!

  61. DogPound says: Apr 13, 2010 12:02 PM

    Throw the pighead in jail with the rest of the rapist!!!!!

  62. NagaSwan says: Apr 13, 2010 12:03 PM

    So basically this guy is admitting he is a bad lawyer, since if he had gotten a settlement for his client, he wouldn’t be allowed to say anything. Sounds like he wants some press.
    Hey, my band was raped by Ben Roethlisberger, can you give them a plug?

  63. Topher says: Apr 13, 2010 12:07 PM

    Isn’t the truth an absolute defense to defamation?
    If that is the case then this attorney knew that and wasn’t worried about Ben suing him because he can prove that what he said was true.

  64. DrakeDB says: Apr 13, 2010 12:07 PM

    He’s sounding more and more like a violent, sadistic creep.
    Yep, where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
    The ball’s in your court, Mr. Goodell.

  65. UckTheFeagles says: Apr 13, 2010 12:08 PM

    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire and rapelisberger’s career is about to go down in flames.
    I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again…this has just begun, more women are going to come forward.
    At this point anbody still defending this lunatic needs to have their head examined.

  66. CT Stiller says: Apr 13, 2010 12:09 PM

    “It’s compelling stuff, and we agree with Manion’s take. That said, the guy has a set of large brass ones to talk about allegations that never were pursued in criminal or civil court.”
    Contradict much? Do you also agree that “the wrath of God’s going to come down on him”? The dude’s clearly a kook.
    Good job vetting this one, Florio. You may find yourself involved in one of these lawsuits. I sure hope so.

  67. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 12:14 PM

    You’ve got a scuzzy guy who likes to play King of the Pub and get raunchy with the drunk women who fall all over him. The issue isn’t whether he’s a person of good character. It’s pretty clear he’s not. The issue is whether he’s guilty of a crime.
    I have a problem with the idea that women can drink themselves insensible, climb all over a man, then when it goes too far, cry rape because they were in no condition to give rational consent. Women are responsible for the choices they make for their bodies. If they willingly drink themselves into oblivion and willingly slobber all over a man but decide later it went too far, that does not compare to a woman who has been violently overpowered, drugged, threatened with a weapon, etc. Even if the law absolves women of responsibility for their own actions, to me that is regret, not rape.
    Since Ben has never even been arrested for a crime, the question for the league and the Steelers is how to handle his scuzzy behavior and character issues. I think he needs more serious intervention than a suspension. But please, no nonsense about sex addiction therapy.

  68. scottlarock78 says: Apr 13, 2010 12:18 PM

    How many questionable rape situtions does Ben have to be in before he gets in any trouble. Hes a shadey charcter and sorry to say but he wont be in any trouble by the league or the squeelers because hes white. When K2 wrecked his bike everyone was all over him but when Ben did it he was just a mistake. There is a double standard here.
    Little Ben will be in jail soon enough. His whiteness and money cant always keep him out forever.

  69. .RebaTe says: Apr 13, 2010 12:22 PM

    The PFT Benchmark of Truth.
    [ PFT ] :
    We heard from a neighbor that said his daughter’s boyfriend’s mailman knew a circus freak who heard from his proctologist’s mechanic that a sports figure of some kind was involved in some sort of an incident.
    Therefore, Ben Roethlisberger is a rapist.
    [ Brain Dead PFT Minions ] :
    Close enough for us… (psst, don’t forget about the payoff!)

  70. corsair82 says: Apr 13, 2010 12:22 PM

    Just sounds like another money hungry whore looking for a pay day and her 15 minutes of fame.

  71. HamBurghlar says: Apr 13, 2010 12:22 PM

    @stillerz: Very astute observation, I totally agree with your post and would love to subscribe to the newsletter.
    That being said, now it’s just getting ridiculous, here comes all the money grubbers and attention whores out of the woodwork. “BUT BUT I WAS TOUCHED BY BEN TOO!! Where’s my money? I better let my lawyer make a statement on tv so he can get some face time and advertising.”

  72. Niner Jeff says: Apr 13, 2010 12:24 PM

    This guy is going to get cooked by Goodell. Also, he’s not going to be a sleeper this year like some of these guys: http://www.fantasyfootballstarters.com/2010-fantasy-football-sleepers.jsp
    That said he’s going to miss Holmes and thats going to cost him some points from a fantasy perspective as well.

  73. CT Stiller says: Apr 13, 2010 12:26 PM

    bomberchick20 says:
    “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire! He’s just a horrible person in general from what I hear. I have family that lives in Findlay, OH (where he grew up) and his babysitter from elementary school saw him in a grocery store and he acted like he didn’t know who she was… That’s just crappy and that makes you just a bad person. Why not be nice to the people that got you where you are? I don’t doubt one bit that he did what everyone’s claiming he did.”
    LOL! WOW — so because he didn’t say hi to his old babysitter you feel he’s guilty of being a rapist. You should just stop typing now. I hope you’re never part of a jury.

  74. AZ Red Bird says: Apr 13, 2010 12:28 PM

    Florio says…JUST PAY HER OFF….as he did this time…..the law says you can buy em’ out….ain’t that right Florio…

  75. BigBlueLuv says: Apr 13, 2010 12:33 PM

    Some of you just don’t get it. Sexual assault is the most under reported violent crime. Less than 40% are reported and the burden of proof in sexual assault cases is so high that less than 3% of offenders are actually convicted. The biggest red flag in identifying a sex offender is a report of sexual assault. He has had two reports (possibly a third) in 18 months. Either he is one of the unluckiest guys in the world or he is a sex offender. Based on the pattern of behavior, there are probably more victims out there that haven’t reported him. I hope he lives in
    a state of fear every day waiting for someone else to come forward. It sounds like there are some grumblings from his teamates, and I bet most of them are disturbed by his behavior. It would really be something if some of them took a stand and said they didn’t want to play with the guy even if it meant losing games. They would be heroes in my book.
    You really got to ask yourself, “Would you trust him to be around a woman you care about?

  76. ArtModellsPimp says: Apr 13, 2010 12:35 PM

    @myspaceyourface…
    The abuse of women, sexual or otherwise, doesn’t have a damned thing to do with intercourse, jackass. It has everything to do with CONTROL and POWER over something weaker than themselves.
    Ben is a coward. He’s a punk. And he has you right up his ass…where you belong.
    Everytime you post something to defend this abuser, you come across like a damned fool.

  77. CKL says: Apr 13, 2010 12:35 PM

    shaunypoo says:
    April 13, 2010 11:57 AM
    Do you think Goodell will feel like an idiot when he looks back from his talk with Ben?
    Goodell : “Are there any other instances that I need to know about?”
    Ben : “No, sir, not a one. I am as clean as a preachers sheets.”
    Goodell : “Good, don’t let this happen again, son, or I will have to suspend you for a game.”
    Ben : “Sounds good to me. You got any bars around here?”
    ____________________________
    You know what…this is a great point. If Goodell asked him and he denied he’s ever had any other accusations…he should be suspended by the NFL for lying. Vick got bitchlsapped partly for lying to the commish.

  78. flolee says: Apr 13, 2010 12:36 PM

    Seriously, I kept waiting for him to be charged like most Black players are when they allegedly commit crimes, but no. Does anyone else see the double standard? Serial White Rapist! Yes, I played the race card, now what!

  79. steelerfanforlife says: Apr 13, 2010 12:37 PM

    If true you really can’t defend Ben. 3 times? If true the Steelers should suspend him for the year and put him in therapy…he needs help! If true

  80. .RebaTe says: Apr 13, 2010 12:37 PM

    # ArtModellsPimp says: April 13, 2010 11:32 AM
    “WTF?
    Is there anyone still living who does NOT believe that this is Rapistberger’s lifestyle?”
    What is it about living in Ohio that makes people believe everything they read, (especially here of all places) and then swallow it hook, line & sinker without so much as a single second of independent thought?
    You own a ThighMaster don’t you?
    I’ll bet you definitely own one of these…

  81. AllThat says: Apr 13, 2010 12:38 PM

    C’mon Deb. Your turn to give us all your brilliant insight.

  82. robert ethan says: Apr 13, 2010 12:39 PM

    After Ben sent for 30 shirts online, someone informed him that “Satin” was spelled with an “i”.
    It was too late to change the order.

  83. BobsCountryBunker says: Apr 13, 2010 12:39 PM

    I actually saw a made-for-TV movie once about a girl that hit her head in an accident and turned into a sex addict. Maybe that happened to Ben after his motorcycle accident … or, he’s just an ass

  84. packdog says: Apr 13, 2010 12:39 PM

    So Florio, in all your great fairness, you point out that this alleged incident never resulted in civil or criminal action…absolutely no evidence has been produced–and yet you trot it out and it ends up on the MSNBC homepage. You really are a bottom feeder.

  85. edgy1957 says: Apr 13, 2010 12:41 PM

    A lot of people might not believe that the woman is really sincere about not wanting the scrutiny but let’s not forget that the laws have changed in 40 years when it came to rape and most of it has been to help the victims, who were once treated as if THEY were the ctiminals. The defense lawyer could parade witness after witness against her and they’d be helpless to stop it and they would be unable to do the same thing to the perpetrator.
    This kind of intimidation led a lot of woman not to file charges because they didn’t want to be subjected to be treated as whores while the guys that did it were treated as the pillars of the community, who would NEVER do something like that.
    The media attention has already been great and they’ve dug into her past to find ANYTHING against her and they’ve done a pretty good job of putting that info out there. If he had been Ben Jones, this would have been a local issue and while it would have meant coverage, it wouldn’t have meant national coverage and she would have been less intimidated.
    Ben needs to learn and so far, he hasn’t. You can postulate that this should have scared him but the last one didn’t.
    BTW, just because they’re pro athletes, that doesn’t mean that every woman is throwing herself at them. Really, if Ben is all that, why would he even bother with a drunken girl or have to tank her up even more to get into her pants? Does anyone believe that she had an expectation when she went there to find a pro athlete to sue? Seriously, how many pro athletes flock to Milledgeville every weekend?

  86. Jack Burton says: Apr 13, 2010 12:47 PM

    Usher in the Dennis Dixon ear already this is getting embarassing.

  87. robert ethan says: Apr 13, 2010 12:48 PM

    Most cops get the feeling they recognize Roethlisberger or Holmes when they see them on the street. But unless they’re football fans they usually end up wasting an hour or so leafing through old mug shots.

  88. Katmanduu says: Apr 13, 2010 12:49 PM

    Dumb QBs, but they win Lombardis!
    Guess they’re not THAT dumb.

  89. trickbunny says: Apr 13, 2010 12:55 PM

    RAPENSTEIN rapes again…

  90. jd says: Apr 13, 2010 12:59 PM

    If the chick says “STOP” in the middle of intercourse, and Mooseburger doesnt stop, it’s called RAPE.

  91. JerryCola says: Apr 13, 2010 1:00 PM

    It is funny how all the haters are calling him a serial rapist. If he was, his actions and these allegations would have happened BEFORE he signed his $100 million contract and not AFTER.

  92. jordanv says: Apr 13, 2010 1:02 PM

    He seems to be the kind of guy that just takes whatever he wants!!! Quit apologizing for this guy, once is once, three times…don’t look to good!!

  93. SHACKFU says: Apr 13, 2010 1:11 PM

    AWESOME

  94. Dokford says: Apr 13, 2010 1:16 PM

    What country do u guys live in? Superstars and certainly superbowl winning quarterbacks don’t have to rape girls to get sex. There are plenty of girls (successful, unsuccessful, rich, poor, black, white) that will give it up. Sure Ben is stupid for being in these situations all the time, but most of you are bot even close to being in his same situations. Most of you guys sexual encounters involve magazines and lotion. So please stop comparing yourselves to guys like Ben, Tiger, Kobe etc. Ben on the field is still one if the best, so stop comparing on the field to off the field.

  95. eaglelover1 says: Apr 13, 2010 1:16 PM

    Hey any one of you steeler fans remember a guy by the name of MIKE TYSON. He picked up a girl took her to a hotel room and then the story gets confusing as both parties disagree with what went on after that. However, Mike had been sued by several women prior to this “rape” for excessive touching and groping. All of which were thrown out of court.
    I say this to remind that because no charges are filed now or noone has sued him he still may or may not be a serial Raplisberger. And by NO menas am I saying Mike raped the women he was accused of raping as I know he was not the first celeerty she had accused of raping her.

  96. HereWeGoSteelers says: Apr 13, 2010 1:17 PM

    Popeye says:
    April 13, 2010 11:29 AM
    what is it with Pittsburgh and dumb QB’s???
    What is it with Pittsburgh and SB championships?

  97. swepsgirl18 says: Apr 13, 2010 1:22 PM

    Deb’s response:
    I have a problem with the idea that women can drink themselves insensible, climb all over a man, then when it goes too far, cry rape because they were in no condition to give rational consent. Women are responsible for the choices they make for their bodies. If they willingly drink themselves into oblivion and willingly slobber all over a man but decide later it went too far, that does not compare to a woman who has been violently overpowered, drugged, threatened with a weapon, etc. Even if the law absolves women of responsibility for their own actions, to me that is regret, not rape.
    ________________________________
    Deb, I have to agree with you. If young females put themselves in positions that THESE TYPES OF THINGS COULD HAPPEN, then chances are they will. I have put myself in situations that I should never have been in and I thank God I was never violated but I was the responsible party. Now I am not saying big Ben didn’t do anything, what I’m saying is it IS A 2 SIDED PARTY when you mix alchol, celeberties and starry eyed coeds. If women today would just see that the money is not the whole picture. It causes more hard aches than anything.
    I have been a Steelers fan since 1969. I love them win, loose or draw but this has really gotten out of hand with him. 2 SB rings do mean alot to the team and the league but the NFL and the Rooney’s have to draw the line. It’s time Big Ben was put in “time out” to think about his problems. No sex rehab for him. Time on the bench in front of the fans, the coaches, his teammates and the NFL viewing is what he needs. He should be made to suit up and SIT HIS FAT ASS on the bench and watch the world cheer for others besides him. Spoon feed his behind the dose of reality he needs. If he messes up again… can his ass. Steelers have endured winning and losing seasons without him so show him he’s not the savior of Pittsburgh. It’s a shame that someone with his talent is as dumb as he is. But like the ole adage… Men think with the wrong head everytime.

  98. ArtModellsPimp says: Apr 13, 2010 1:23 PM

    @.RebaTe…
    Why is it all of you Rapistberger apologists assume that all Browns fans live in Ohio? I don’t, actually.
    But thank you for letting me know that I bother you. You just made my day…

  99. FMWarner says: Apr 13, 2010 1:27 PM

    I have no doubt that Roethlisberger is a creep, an entitled jackass, handsy with the women, and none too bright. But it’s kind of disturbing how many people will run to call him a “rapist” and call for charges, suspensions and convictions regardless of, you know, evidence.
    The police have TRIED to prosecute him, but they simply can’t get the evidence to go to trial. Would you prefer they just press charges and go through the motions of a trial to make you feel better, when there’s a 99% chance they spend a ton of tax money and he goes free? Or maybe we should just kick him out of the NFL and put him in jail right now, because we don’t need no fancy lawyering or trials to know we got ourselves a dang rapist, I’ll tell you whut!
    God forbid any of you should ever find yourselves in hot water and have a bunch of yahoos calling for your head because they think they know better than a judge what constitutes a crime.

  100. KingOkra says: Apr 13, 2010 1:27 PM

    For all you losers who are still defending this guy, he just ass-raped your daughter. I’m sure you’ll find some way to rationalize it though. She must have looked really hot or she’s really sexy when she can barely stand up because she’s so drunk. Like I said yesterday, Pig Ben is just Lawrence Phillips with better lawyers, more money and 2 SB rings.

  101. eklypse69 says: Apr 13, 2010 1:30 PM

    Wow. And exactly how long is the league going to turn a blind eye to this? He’s obviously got issues.
    The “being in the wrong place at the wrong time” defense is getting pretty thin. Either that, or he’s the unluckiest man alive. I’m guessing it’s B.S., and his time is running out.

  102. Rafterman says: Apr 13, 2010 1:37 PM

    What is it with Pittsburgh and SB championships?
    That is the bottom line. SUCK IT HATERS!
    Ben is going to hoist a few more Lombardi’s before he’s finished.

  103. tom coughlin's coat holder says: Apr 13, 2010 1:41 PM

    i always wondered why natalie gulbis dumped ol’ ben.
    it seems she took the high road out of town.i have to admit it,she was discreet.

  104. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 1:44 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    First, that was Ben’s first visit to Milledgeville. But he does seem to be a scuzzy guy who wants to play King of the Pub. No, not every woman would fall over him because he’s a pro athlete. He doesn’t appeal to me at all. Ewww. But the witness accounts from that night say plenty of woman were falling all over him, including the accuser. If you watched the entire press conference, the DA said the conversation and conduct between the two of them was highly sexualized. He said he wouldn’t go into the salacious details but it was definitely a two-way street.
    You’re right that laws have changed to make it easier for sexual assault victims to press charges if they choose. But sometimes the pendulum swings too far. It’s hard to pin down accurate numbers, but a good estimate is that up to 40 percent of rape accusations are false. And it’s not all about money. It’s a puzzling phenomenon. Here’s a good article on the subject:
    http://www.seattleweekly.com/content/printVersion/604983
    On college campuses now, women are taught that if they go to a party, get rip-roaring drunk, snuggle up to a guy, willingly go home with him, willingly fall into bed with him, then decide they’re sorry, they’ve been raped. Why? Because they were too drunk to consent. But how was the drunk guy they were groping supposed to know that? Is it fair to label a guy a rapist because he took what was offered? There’s a difference between a guy making out with a willing drunk chick and a guy finding a woman passed out in a room and having sex with her.
    Women can’t just say, “Hey, I’m going to get drunk out of my mind, but I expect everyone else to take responsibility for my behavior.” It’s a little hard for me to view a girl who got drunk and went too far in a make-out session in the same light as all the women I know who were
    violently overpowered, drugged, sexually abused as children, terrorized, and attacked at gunpoint.
    That doesn’t absolve him of his horrendous behavior. But as the DA said, she has to take some responsibility for her behavior as well.

  105. Friedrich_Nietzsche says: Apr 13, 2010 1:48 PM

    Dear Steeler Fans,
    Man up and stop defending this idiot. Would you want him dating your sister?
    Ray

    Hell yeah, he can date and marry my sister any day—compared to the loser she lives with, Big Ben is a saint.

  106. Midway Monster says: Apr 13, 2010 1:56 PM

    @Stillerz
    Unfortunately your QB is looking like a complete dirtbag.
    Having said that about your QB your post was terrific. Bravo!

  107. AllThat says: Apr 13, 2010 1:57 PM

    What is it with Pittsburgh and the delusional fan base about their butt hole QB?

  108. Chapnasty2 says: Apr 13, 2010 1:59 PM

    @ rafterman
    Glad you have class and integrity. Pitt is slowly taking over Philly at the top for fans.

  109. LuvThatDirtyWatah says: Apr 13, 2010 2:01 PM

    Toucher and Rich > Dennis and Callahan
    Negative. D & C is much, much better. You would have a case w/the other EEI shows.

  110. ECS - Brougham Boys 74 says: Apr 13, 2010 2:01 PM

    Deb, it is against the law to have sex with a woman who is too intoxicated to choose (consensual) sex. Beyond that, EVERY man that I know (including myself) will NOT have sex with a woman who is visibly, undeniably drunk (especially if she is having trouble talking, walking, etc). Guys who do that are scum, and most of us other dudes consider them rapists. All of us have had some drunk college chick pawing at us while boozing it up. But it’s ONLY rapists who take advantage of that. That’s the definition of rape – having sex with someone against their will, or when they were incapable of choosing.
    I’d think that a woman would understand those concepts. But then, you are a Steeler fan, yes, that same organization who CONDONES SERIAL RAPE. Congrats. Oh, and in case you haven’t realized it yet, those two SuperBowls now will have a much worse taint than anything that could be attributed to the Patriots. From now on, when you wear your Rapistberger jersey, you can look forward to people (anyone outside of Pittsburgh) making some joke about rapists. That’s so awesome.

  111. C.Bass says: Apr 13, 2010 2:02 PM

    Wow, how many anti-Ben stories has Florio posted since the DA decided not to bring charges?
    Someone seems a little obsessed.

  112. pokerpro7s says: Apr 13, 2010 2:04 PM

    Hey Florio, did you hear the draft is coming up? Might be something newsworthy to report there…

  113. Matt says: Apr 13, 2010 2:04 PM

    Where was this supposed story a month ago? Why is this guy waiting until now to mention anything?
    I’m not sticking up for Roethlisberger – most people in the metro Pittsburgh area realize that his dumbass bullshit has to stop, regardless of what’s gone on (and we will never know). That said, people who are gullible enough not to question claims coming out a day after it was announced that no charges would be pressed are as stupid as those who blindly defend Roethlisberger. Get the hell outta here.

  114. .RebaTe says: Apr 13, 2010 2:08 PM

    # ArtModellsPimp says: April 13, 2010 1:23 PM
    @.RebaTe…
    “But thank you for letting me know that I bother you. You just made my day…”
    Bother me?
    Not all all.
    Frankly I find you and your lot quite amusing, not unlike any carnival sideshow freak.
    Your rants are always good for a laugh.

  115. CaptainFantastik says: Apr 13, 2010 2:10 PM

    LOL at the Ravens fans slagging the Steelers and our idiot QB while their team harbors a double murderer who ratted out his buddies with a plea bargain so they could go to prison for him. See? I can ignore the facts of a case for the purpose of stirring shit too.
    Oh yeah, and florio? You should try posting the entire conversation with this guy, especially the part where he clearly states his “client” was not raped. Better watch yourself. Your commentary might get you into trouble.

  116. funi says: Apr 13, 2010 2:11 PM

    Why did the idiot wait to say this? I think he is making it up, hell he is from Boston and you can’t trust them!

  117. DirtDawg55 says: Apr 13, 2010 2:18 PM

    And in unrelated news, Harry Manion was fired by all of his clients for using the term “super troubling”!
    His client didn’t want to pursue? Why? Because she had no case. That’s why. Couldn’t even win a civil trial, which has a far lower standard of evidence. Isn’t it interesting that the first people a lot of these so-called victims contact is a lawyer and not the police. Either speaks to the litigious nature of the country or how self-absorbed people are. Instead of pursuing justice people are trying to cash in, which doesn’t help actual victims of crime.
    Big Ben may or may not be a predator, but what is clear is he is putting himself in positions where he is … ah … exposing … ah … himself to this kind of trouble. Of course there is the very real possibility he is doing so because he is in fact a predator.
    I will continue to cheer for the Steelers as well as any of the many shining examples of humanity and civilty amongst the many great athletes that are or were in the NFL (Warrick Dunn, Troy Polamalu, Joe Delaney, Walter Payton, etc). And I will continue to call on everyone to hold accountable those who don’t meet those standards because pulling on a jersey shouldn’t make you a hero. We idolize too frequently with far too low a standard. We should all be better than that.

  118. iusedtobeteddybayer says: Apr 13, 2010 2:22 PM

    @jimicos:
    You are correct. Once a crime has been committed, the law doesn’t require a complaintant. The established crime is against the people of the state.
    So, to your point, if there’s no “truckload” here, it smells that there’s no charge at all. And the smell is green.

  119. trickbunny says: Apr 13, 2010 2:44 PM

    I love how the Steelers fans keep answering these posts about RAPENSTEIN by pointing out that the Steelers have won some Super Bowls. As if that somehow makes sexual assualt more tolerable.
    Newsflash: No one cares about the past right now. We’re all having WAY to much fun watching your team self destruct and your QB get accused of sex assaults left and right.
    Keep chanting your SB mantra- what happened a few yerars ago means nothing today. All we’re concerned about is the poor girl RAPENSTEIN will rape next.

  120. jimicos says: Apr 13, 2010 2:55 PM

    Rev. Dr. HollywoodWags says:
    April 13, 2010 11:41 AM
    Sexual McCarthyites peeking into a club bathroom, probably pounding their puds at the thought of being the star QB and hooking up.
    —————————
    I fixed your post.

  121. jimicos says: Apr 13, 2010 2:59 PM

    tryagain says:
    April 13, 2010 11:53 AM
    i knew i should have hit vegas last week- 1. i was confident ben wasn’t going to be there 2. i was on a roll.
    for instance, on american idol i knew the bottom 3 in order and even that the judges would use the save on big mike.
    ————————–
    Wow, you like sum kinda Nostrildamus er sumthang.

  122. Cleric John Preston says: Apr 13, 2010 3:10 PM

    I think its sad that Steelers fans on this board are going to any lengths to defend Ben because he’s a good QB.
    I guess the ends justify the means?
    Florio spelled it out. If this guy was lying, he would be sued and probably disbarred, but he said it so he obviously isn’t lying.
    Or, if he is lying, Ben will sue.
    But Ben can’t and won’t sue, because its true.
    Big Ben has a problem. It could actually be like Phineas Gage and he has personality affecting brain damage from that motorcycle wreck.
    But then, you’re hearing about incidents that happened in high school.
    Its seems like he’s just not . . . a good . . . person. Period.

  123. Shai says: Apr 13, 2010 3:13 PM

    I’d never hire an attorney who use the superlative “super” . I guess ‘extremely’ is not in his vocabulary?

  124. Frank Burns says: Apr 13, 2010 3:17 PM

    And the roaches come out of the woodwork!

  125. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 3:18 PM

    ECS – Brougham Boys 74 …
    You’re working on the assumption that in my scenario the girl is drunk and the guy is sober. In that case, I’d tend to agree with you. But I’m talking about when both parties are drunk. The DA said both Ben and the woman were intoxicated. He said they had been involved in highly sexualized conduct and conversation that was definitely a two-way street. He said he wouldn’t go into the salacious details.
    In another case, a guy was at a college party. Both he and the girl he met were drunk. She willingly went home and had sex with him. The next day she accused him of rape, saying she was too drunk to consent. So here’s this college kid–he gets drunk at a party and a drunk willingly has sex with him. Suddenly he’s a rapist? And you agree with that? You must not have sons or nephews.
    When I was about that girl’s age, I had too much to drink at a party and offered no resistance when a guy I didn’t know pulled me into a dark room. I’d asked a sober friend to keep an eye on me, and fortunately, she came through and nothing happened. Even though I didn’t know that guy and had NOT been flirting with him, I still bear some responsibility because I CHOSE to drink to a point where I offered no resistance. I’ve also been raped. I was sober, fought like hell, and lost. The law considers those situations equal. I don’t. I could have avoided the first situation by taking responsibility for my behavior and not drinking to excess. The second was beyond my control.
    This girl not only willingly drank to excess, she willingly engaged in sexualized behavior with Ben, who was also highly intoxicated. That’s according to the DA, who also said there were plenty of mistakes made by all involved. I’m not defending Ben’s character. He’s an ass. I’m simply saying no crime was committed.
    And I don’t own a Roethlisberger jersey.

  126. Bigdawg says: Apr 13, 2010 3:24 PM

    lets face the facts # 1 lawyers are a necessarity evil. This idiot has the world by the watch chain but he is dumb, like Woodsy. Just a hapy idiot make millions of dollars because he can’t do anything but be a jock, and more power to him ,but it doesn’t give him the right to abuse anyone. The problem is he is the best known spokensman for the Steelers….. now there a job opening in the PR department go figure. Just to many fingers pointing at the same person, don’t you think?

  127. chocolaty bosco says: Apr 13, 2010 3:26 PM

    My son was a waiter at one of Pittsburgh’s top restaurants and waited on Roethlisberger and a couple of honeys, and assures me that he’s an absolute jerk. Anecdotal evidence over the years seems to lean that way, although he gets a lot of mileage out of buying police dogs. I’m not a personal fan, but the guy has game.
    So, if he’s privileged, what are young hotties? Am I the only guy who’s encountered these tarts who seem to delight in giving a guy a set of blue nads and then pulling the plug (and I’m no celebrity)? How about if one of these sluts happens also to be a gold digger, willing to lie through her teeth for a fat payday?
    Roethlisberger is a dumb ass. With his money, he could have discrete encounters every day of the week with pros as if he were a politician. Instead, he plays the p***y game like he plays the passing game; always trying to elude the big sack and make a score. The hotties have the officials and the fans on their side. If they call time out in the middle of the play, time out it is!
    Whatever he did with this pig, he didn’t ‘finish the play’. Lucky for him, he apparently took the sack.
    Give it up, Ben. Blow some $ on the pros who know what they’re there for, and forget about the college princesses who wake up desperate to save their reputations. Take what the defense gives you!

  128. tryagain says: Apr 13, 2010 3:28 PM

    ‘Wow, you like sum kinda Nostrildamus er sumthang.’
    Exactly and I think I’m still grooving the mojo so if you have anything you’d like me to answer, ask away.

  129. it's all bs says: Apr 13, 2010 3:28 PM

    Aren’t there cameras ALL OVER the place in Vegas? I mean where’s the footage…oh what it just disappeared too right? If there was “hush” money then why is this guy blabbing his mouth about it? Get real people! Anyone that does not see this for what it is is just as dumb as Big Ben!
    And Deb is right on the money as usual and I’m a woman and I agree with her comments 100%!
    Yes something happened in that bathroom in Georgia but it was not criminal…Yes Big Ben is fat, drunk, and stupid but that is not a crime people!

  130. Paul_R. says: Apr 13, 2010 3:44 PM

    Ricken says:
    Braindead on and off the field? God you haters are the braindead ones. As a lifelong Steeler fan I will be the 1st to agree with you that off the field Ben is a mental midget. He constantly puts himself in bad situatiions and in turn has created a black cloud over the organization.
    ________________________________
    Seems that he’s the one creating those bad situations, not being entrapped by them.
    ________________________________
    Stillerz says:
    And finally a quote from a Bengals fan who is hoping Ben will be suspended so he can’t torch them again this season: “When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously . . . . It’s the scene that he’s gotten himself caught up with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good.”
    ________________________________
    Although I’m not a Bengals fan, I guess you need to have it pointed out to you that Ben “torched” the Bengals to the tune of 0-2 this past season. Maybe you don’t understand that because you’ve been stillin too much paint remover and having it cause too much dain bramage to you.

  131. Dante says: Apr 13, 2010 3:51 PM

    Big Ben has a problem,. Actually many problems, but the one that leads me to write this comment is kind of obvious: he’s an immensely talented rich football superstar who, unfortunately, happens to be really physically ugly. But his lack of consistently God-given gifts in the looks department haven’t apparently stopped him from thinking that he deserves to have every beautiful woman he fancies fall for his masculine charms, reputation and bank account.
    Of course, he isn’t the first banal or worse looking star athlete or rock star to think that way. It’s no wonder these egotists can’t control their fame induced libidos when the frustration of knowing the women they want wouldn’t ever pick them for their core DNA is highly suppressed.
    Aggression and unrestrained decorum that would normally befit a gentleman is all that is left.
    My advice: Spend some of that hard earned dough on some serious plastic surgery, dude!
    Dante

  132. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 13, 2010 3:56 PM

    # ArtModellsPimp says: April 13, 2010 12:35 PM
    “Everytime you post something to defend this abuser, you come across like a damned fool.”
    Every time you post something where you claim to be absolutely certain of his guilt, you come across like a banana deprived shit-faced chimpanzee on crack, banging away on your keyboard with open palms.

  133. ajd78 says: Apr 13, 2010 3:59 PM

    Western PA mentality is hillarious! And they make fun of West Virginan’s!! “Our QB is no rapist there are just money grubbin whores who are all tellin the same story. Hell I’d put my sister up on a rape stand for Big Ben no need fur a bathroom. And I could do that cause she’s my wife too !”

  134. Paul_R. says: Apr 13, 2010 4:10 PM

    Deb says:
    I have a problem with the idea that women can drink themselves insensible, climb all over a man, then when it goes too far, cry rape because they were in no condition to give rational consent. Women are responsible for the choices they make for their bodies. If they willingly drink themselves into oblivion and willingly slobber all over a man but decide later it went too far, that does not compare to a woman who has been violently overpowered, drugged, threatened with a weapon, etc. Even if the law absolves women of responsibility for their own actions, to me that is regret, not rape.
    _______________________________
    Deb, in case you’re not aware of the facts that have been published, Ben was buying drinks for the girl in Milledgeville because he was not able to buy them herself. After she was intoxicated over double the legal limit, Ben’s bodyguard escorted her to the bathroom and Ben followed afterward. There is nothing that says that she was slobbering all over Ben. She didn’t slobber all over him and lead him into the bathroom. HE arranged it through his bodyguard.
    It’s Ben that did what he should not have done. He illegally purchased alcoholic beverages for someone who was underage. He got her so drunk that she could not make proper decisions and then he tried to take advantage of her. He stated at the scene to the police that he had sexual contact. What type of sexual contact hasn’t been described to my knowledge. This girl was probably paid by Ben so that she would not press it further. But, like many women who have been sexually assaulted, she decided that she did not want to be in a court room describing details about the encounter.
    A person who commits sexual assault is a person who likes to commit a violent act against someone. Do you really think that a football player, a person who experiences violence on a weekly basis, wouldn’t fit the profile of someone who likes to use violence against others?
    The attorney in Massachusetts made statements saying that there was a situation that occurred in Las Vegas, in which he was retained to investigate, which was nearly exactly like the situation in Milledgeville. Attorneys would not put their firm in the position of being liable in a case where statements are publicly made so you can be certain that this attorney is speaking the truth. In that case, there was no civil or criminal case because the woman decided that she didn’t want to proceed further. Was she also paid by Ben to keep it quiet? Probably. The attorneys wouldn’t work for nothing so they were paid for their time.
    A little common sense here, please. Can you name any other NFL quarterbacks who have had anything even remotely like this happening to them? Tony Romo? No. Tom Brady? No. Joe Flacco? No. Mark Sanchez? No. Anyone? No. Just Ben and now multiple times. He’s got a problem and I’m sure that this news has been sitting on Goodell’s desk before he spoke with Ben today.

  135. edgy1957 says: Apr 13, 2010 4:33 PM

    Deb says:
    April 13, 2010 1:44 PM
    @edgy1957 …
    First, that was Ben’s first visit to Milledgeville.
    ***********************************
    I think the thing that many people seem to forget is the FAR MORE IMPORTANT thing that he said and that he needs to be smart and not get into those situations. Frankly, I don’t really care about whether they were both drunk or she started dry humping the entire bar, he is a professional athlete that didn’t need to be in that situation because he’s already facing scrutiny from the last one. He doesn’t need to be a monk but he’s an idiot for getting into that situation. SHE is NOT the blame for his stupidity and I don’t care if he raped her or helped her up when she fell down – he should have never put himself into the situation in the first place. He WON’T listen to anyone and unless they make him miss more than a game or tow, he NEVER WILL. His whole apology is a joke and if you believe that he’s sincere about it, fool you three times.
    Let me tell you something, I was with a friend of mine back in 1976 and we were out partying with some of his friends and I decided that I had enough and I went to sleep. Well, I woke up and my friend was beating the crap out of two of the guys because HE woke up and they were going after it with a girl that had passed out but woke up when they having their “fun.” It was her crying and pleading that woke him up and when he realized what was going on, he gave them what for. Now, they tried REAL hard to claim that it was her fault and she had changed her mind in the middle of all of it but one of the guys who didn’t participate but watched them, told a far different story. The thing about it was, she had gone to the party with several of her friends and after she passed out, they just left her there.
    Now, despite the fact that she had several witneesses to it, she didn’t pursue it because of the stigma and because they would have put her through the wringer.
    Let me tell you about drunk. My next door neighbor used to say to me that it had been a long time since she had a guy over and I’d have to take her back to the bar that she frequented so that they could tell her that she had left with someone the night before.
    Anyway, the fact is that since you and I have been conversing about Ben, I’ve pointed out out his immaturity and that he didn’t seem to learn from the past and that continues to be the case. I honestly don’t care whether he’s guilty or not and you shouldn’t, either. What’s more important is the fact that he’s got $100 riding on his stupidity and a billion dollar franchise that would be set back for years, if they have to start over with a new QB. It’s not just Ben, the franchise really needs to stop coddling him and the others and letting this crap get out of hand. The Bengals did it for years and look at how it kept hurting them. The Rooneys took care of Holmes but I consider that too little, too late. They’re just as culpable in this because they should have sat Ben down after he refused to listen to them about the motorcycle and show him who the boss was. Now, maybe that doesn’t seem like the right thing to do but 3, if not more, embarrassing events because he won’t use his head, have proven that he can’t be trusted to think about the consequences of his actions.

  136. jimicos says: Apr 13, 2010 4:41 PM

    it’s all bs says:
    April 13, 2010 3:28 PM
    Aren’t there cameras ALL OVER the place in Vegas? I mean where’s the footage…oh what it just disappeared too right? If there was “hush” money then why is this guy blabbing his mouth about it? Get real people! Anyone that does not see this for what it is is just as dumb as Big Ben!
    ————————-
    Yes, I’m sure there are hidden cameras in the guest rooms in all the Vegas hotels. There’s no invasion of privacy issue there, nope, none at all.
    BTW, can we get ESPN to send Erin Andrews to Vegas to cover the WSOP this year?

  137. jimicos says: Apr 13, 2010 4:44 PM

    tryagain says:
    April 13, 2010 3:28 PM
    Exactly and I think I’m still grooving the mojo so if you have anything you’d like me to answer, ask away.
    ————————
    I don’t think I have any questions you’re qualified to answer. I have an IQ above 25, so I don’t watch American Idol.

  138. jimicos says: Apr 13, 2010 4:50 PM

    it’s all bs says:
    April 13, 2010 3:28 PM
    Yes something happened in that bathroom in Georgia but it was not criminal…Yes Big Ben is fat, drunk, and stupid but that is not a crime people!
    ————————
    Are you saying it’s not a crime to have sex in a nightclub bathroom in Georgia?

  139. jimicos says: Apr 13, 2010 4:54 PM

    ajd78 says:
    April 13, 2010 3:59 PM
    Western PA mentality is hillarious! And they make fun of West Virginan’s!!
    ————————
    While we’re on the topic of western Pennsylvania… This is just a classic.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLVSURlFoQs

  140. C.Bass says: Apr 13, 2010 5:10 PM

    Um, Florio. You left out some important DETAILS from that claim:
    A subsequent e-mail from his office stated: “Mr. Manion did not mean to express or imply that he has any information that Mr. Roethlisberger engaged in any illegal behavior.”
    That same addendum was posted on the website of the radio show, The Dennis & Callahan Morning Show.
    Mr. Manion said the ONLY parallel he was making pertained to his client being ushered into the VIP area of a nightclub to socialize with Mr. Roethlisberger
    So I guess inviting a woman into your VIP area means Ben is guilty of sexual assault. Sorry haters. It’s a non-story.

  141. mrlaloosh says: Apr 13, 2010 5:10 PM

    This guy is REALY ugly. He should just but hookers. No 20 year old hot chick is going to do anything with this troll.
    He’s stupid & ugly. But RICH!

  142. KaiserSoze says: Apr 13, 2010 5:13 PM

    “Boston lawyer Harry Manion told WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan Show on Tuesday that Manion was involved in an investigation regarding another Big Ben incident.
    Maybe not.”

    / fixed
    Hey Florio, WTAE TV in Pittsburgh just ran a report on the 5 o’clock news stating that Manion, has already totally recanted this story, not once but TWICE today.
    So, when are you going to write your retraction and apology?

  143. Russlak says: Apr 13, 2010 5:32 PM

    Just keep it in your pants, Ben. Have a little discretion when you want sex. Out of respect which apparently you do not have for yourself, for the players before you, and the ones you work with now, leave. You do not deserve to wear a Steeler shirt.

  144. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 5:39 PM

    Paul_R. says:
    Deb, in case you’re not aware of the facts that have been published …
    ———————————————
    Published and accurate are two different things–though that distinction seems to escape you. I stick to the facts as released by the authorities, not the gossip sites. Here’s what District Attorney Fred Bright said in his 71-minute press conference:
    1. Ben was buying drinks for the girl … because she was not able to buy them herself.
    According to the DA, the woman was drinking illegally before she joined Roethlisberger’s group. He was buying drinks for the room. Purchasing drinks for someone underage is a misdemeanor but the mirror charge is underage drinking. They could not charge him without charging her and elected not to charge either. Both were intoxicated.
    2. After she was intoxicated over double the legal limit …
    Because of HIPPA laws, her BAC has never been released.
    3. Ben’s bodyguard escorted her to the bathroom and Ben followed afterward. HE arranged it through his bodyguard.
    A reporter asked the DA to clarify the bodyguard’s role. The DA said she asked a bodyguard the way to the bathroom. He showed her the way and came back. Later, Ben went back there. The bodyguard DID NOT KNOW Ben was there. According to the witnesses, they were only back there 10 minutes.
    4. There is nothing that says that she was slobbering all over Ben. He got her so drunk that she could not make proper decisions and then he tried to take advantage of her.
    The DA said that, according to witnesses, Ben and the woman were engaged in highly sexualized conversation and conduct all evening. He would not reveal the salacious details. He said there was plenty of blame to go around. He said BOTH had too much to drink, BOTH made mistakes, and he hoped BOTH learned from it.
    5. He stated at the scene to the police that he had sexual contact.
    The DA stated emphatically that THIS IS NOT TRUE. Ben NEVER admitted ANY sexual contact with her.
    6. What type of sexual contact hasn’t been described to my knowledge.
    Her sorority sisters dragged her to a cop on the street and started babbling. He asked her if she had been raped. She said NO. He asked if she’d had sex and she said she wasn’t sure. He sent her to the hospital where the rape kit could not confirm intercourse. The next day after she was sober, she said they’d had sex but she didn’t want to.
    5. This girl was probably paid by Ben so that she would not press it further.
    Despite Florio’s lurid speculation, the DA said he saw NO evidence that she was a gold digger. She wrote a letter in which she refused to recant her accusation but said she did not want to go through a public trial. There is NO evidence she has taken a payoff. Usually when people are paid off, they recant the accusation. The DA said he couldn’t have made a case even with her testimony, so if she wasn’t going to recant, what would be the point of paying her off? She obviously believes, as you do, that something happened and she bears no responsibility because she was drunk. I disagree. I think he’s an ass but not a criminal. I’m a rape survivor and don’t need you to lecture me on the violence of rape. But then, I was sober and fought back. So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t see this as comparable.

  145. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 5:50 PM

    Aw come on, jimicos. I have a pretty high IQ and I watch American Idol. Don’t be so snooty.

  146. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 6:05 PM

    Paul_R. says:
    Deb, in case you’re not aware of the facts that have been published …
    ———————————————
    Published and accurate are two different things–though that distinction seems to escape you. I stick to the facts as released by the authorities, not the gossip sites. Here’s what District Attorney Fred Bright said in his 71-minute press conference:
    1. Ben was buying drinks for the girl … because she was not able to buy them herself.
    According to the DA, the woman was drinking illegally before she joined Roethlisberger’s group. He was buying drinks for the room. Purchasing drinks for someone underage is a misdemeanor but the mirror charge is underage drinking. They could not charge him without charging her and elected not to charge either. Both were intoxicated.
    2. After she was intoxicated over double the legal limit …
    Because of HIPPA laws, her BAC has never been released.
    3. Ben’s bodyguard escorted her to the bathroom and Ben followed afterward. HE arranged it through his bodyguard.
    A reporter asked the DA to clarify the bodyguard’s role. The DA said she asked a bodyguard the way to the bathroom. He showed her the way and came back. Later, Ben went back there. The bodyguard DID NOT KNOW Ben was there. According to the witnesses, they were only back there 10 minutes.
    4. There is nothing that says that she was slobbering all over Ben. He got her so drunk that she could not make proper decisions and then he tried to take advantage of her.
    The DA said that, according to witnesses, Ben and the woman were engaged in highly sexualized conversation and conduct all evening. He would not reveal the salacious details. He said there was plenty of blame to go around. He said BOTH had too much to drink, BOTH made mistakes, and he hoped BOTH learned from it.
    5. He stated at the scene to the police that he had sexual contact.
    The DA stated emphatically that THIS IS NOT TRUE. Ben NEVER admitted ANY sexual contact with her.
    6. What type of sexual contact hasn’t been described to my knowledge.
    Her sorority sisters dragged her to a cop on the street and started babbling. He asked her if she had been raped. She said NO. He asked if she’d had sex and she said she wasn’t sure. He sent her to the hospital where the rape kit could not confirm intercourse. The next day after she was sober, she said they’d had sex but she didn’t want to.
    5. This girl was probably paid by Ben so that she would not press it further.
    Despite Florio’s lurid speculation, the DA said he saw NO evidence that she was a gold digger. She wrote a letter in which she refused to recant her accusation but said she did not want to go through a public trial. There is NO evidence she has taken a payoff. Usually when people are paid off, they recant the accusation. The DA said he couldn’t have made a case even with her testimony, so if she wasn’t going to recant, what would be the point of paying her off? She obviously believes, as you do, that something happened and she bears no responsibility because she was drunk. I disagree. I think he’s an ass but not a criminal. I’m a rape survivor and don’t need you to lecture me on the violence of rape. But then, I was sober and fought back. So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t see this as comparable.

  147. Paul_R. says: Apr 13, 2010 6:26 PM

    Dokford says:
    What country do u guys live in? Superstars and certainly superbowl winning quarterbacks don’t have to rape girls to get sex. There are plenty of girls (successful, unsuccessful, rich, poor, black, white) that will give it up. Sure Ben is stupid for being in these situations all the time, but most of you are bot even close to being in his same situations.
    ______________________________
    You know, the thing you don’t understand about these star athletes is that many came from poor backgrounds and were barely educated, but kept being moved along because of their athletic ability. How many star basketball players still keep their friends from the ‘hood? Plenty. What exactly is Ben Roethlisberger’s background? What was he like as a kid in elementary school or junior high or high school? Did he barely squeak by? What was his grades in college and what type of classes did he take? What was his upbringing like? What were his parents like?
    How many NFL players have found themselves dead because of their background?
    How many players have gone from rags to riches and couldn’t really handle the money well and blew a lot of it?
    Look at Chris Henry. He got into a lot of trouble. Then he decided to grow up and stay out of trouble. Then he found himself dead.
    Just because Ben is white doesn’t mean he can’t have a troubled background that shaped his personality to what it is today. He’s behaving in a way that he wants to and, unfortunately for him, leads to him getting into trouble. That’s why he doesn’t find a girlfriend that he sticks to. He wants to go to clubs and be “The Man”.
    Having more trouble in Las Vegas is very easily believable. He’s buddies with “The Man”, the president of that casino where he had his problem with the first girl. That kind of also makes Ben “The Man” there, too. So, Ben likes to take advantage of it by perhaps being a little too forceful when he thinks he’s just having a good time. Or, maybe he thinks using force IS having a good time.

  148. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 6:30 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    Totally agree with everything you said. How easy was that? :-)
    For me this has been about issues of innocence until guilt is proved, trial by media, unpopular behavior vs. criminal behavior (for instance, the public deciding the Ramseys were child killers because they put their daughter in pageants). And I have a problem with the belief that if two consenting adults get drunk and have sex, the woman can later claim she couldn’t consent because she was intoxicated. (Your 1976 episode doesn’t fit that category. If she’s unconscious and two strangers assault her, it is rape.)
    None of those issues absolve Ben of responsibility for his behavior or choices. I’m opposed to league suspension because it sets a precedent of suspending players who haven’t failed a drug test, been arrested, or committed egregious disciplinary violations. But the team should take strong action. Whether he’ll get it, I don’t know.
    Can they make him clean toilets at the stadium?

  149. last starfighter says: Apr 13, 2010 6:41 PM

    @jimicos
    that is such a great clip!
    my next fave is “my fellow prisoners”

  150. .RebaT says: Apr 13, 2010 6:49 PM

    Wow. #3 Deb and you don’t believe? How many brain cells have you killed over the years. Now Ben has lost his only sponsor and it is for his beef jerky, in PITTSBURGH. The owner of the company which produces the product also hopes for a 4 game suspension. HELLO!
    http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/62656/the_big_ben_jerky_empire_comes_to_an_end
    Ben is a low life MORON and rapist. Nice haircut too for his press statement. I didn’t see the coach standing next to him either like his first statement with regards to the incident in NV. I saw an old dude, probably one of his attorneys. Apparently Ben was just reading the statement which obviously was written by somebody else.
    One can not have a high IQ AND watch American Idol. Contradictions.

  151. .RebaT says: Apr 13, 2010 6:59 PM

    Yeah, like Ben would file a defamation suit right now… PLEASE! NOT! He just wants everything to go away. Sorry to inform you Ben, it won’t.

  152. tryagain says: Apr 13, 2010 7:02 PM

    i’m surprised jimicos- i pegged you as a glambert fan who’s still angry that kris won.

  153. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 7:21 PM

    RebaT …
    I’m content to let my posts speak for my IQ and the health and sobriety of my brain cells while your posts speak for yours.

  154. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 7:30 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    Totally agree with everything you said. How easy was that? :-)
    For me this has been about issues of innocence until guilt is proved, trial by media, unpopular behavior vs. criminal behavior (for instance, the public deciding the Ramseys were child killers because they put their daughter in pageants). And I have a problem with the belief that if two consenting adults get drunk and have sex, the woman can later claim she couldn’t consent because she was intoxicated. (Your 1976 episode doesn’t fit that category. If she’s unconscious and two strangers assault her, it is rape.)
    None of those issues absolve Ben of responsibility for his behavior or choices. I’m opposed to league suspension because it sets a precedent of suspending players who haven’t failed a drug test, been arrested, or committed egregious disciplinary violations. But the team should take strong action. Whether he’ll get it, I don’t know.
    Can they make him clean toilets at the stadium?

  155. UckTheFeagles says: Apr 13, 2010 11:15 PM

    Why would anyone be sticking up for this deviate predator at this point?
    I honestly think most of these steeler fans would help him rape their sisters if it promised another super bowl win. Pathetic.

  156. Deb says: Apr 13, 2010 11:42 PM

    @UckTheFeagles …
    Pathetic. I agree. The DA said nothing to indicate that Roethlisberger is a deviant predator, only a stupid, immature jackass. That’s why he told him to grow up. You, on the other hand, are a sick Cowboys fan who keeps trolling these threads posting the same tired garbage. Just look at your user name. You’re no better than the people you whine about.

  157. UckTheFeagles says: Apr 14, 2010 7:48 AM

    Actually I hate the cowboys and I can’t stand the skins or the giants either, so guess again “Deb”.
    So tell us, would you hold your sister down for big benny??? I bet you would.

  158. jimicos says: Apr 14, 2010 11:06 AM

    tryagain says:
    April 13, 2010 7:02 PM
    i’m surprised jimicos- i pegged you as a glambert fan who’s still angry that kris won.
    ————————
    Well, I guess your lucky streak is over then, huh? Cancel those tickets to Vegas ASAP. You’ll lose your ass.

  159. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 12:26 PM

    @UcktheFeagles …
    You may not be a Cowboys fan, but everything else I wrote is dead on. Actually, you’re even more pathetic than I thought. Apparently you’re obsessed with teams that aren’t even in your division. And you’re asking a rape survivor who’s been there if she’d hold a woman down so a man could assault her. You lead a pretty sad life.

  160. ToledoLions says: Apr 14, 2010 8:45 PM

    @ scottlarock78,
    1) Kellen Winslow had a clause in his contract forbidding him to ride a bike, and he violated that. Ben didn’t.
    2) As the Milledgeville DA said, you can’t prosecute morals. You can only prosecute crimes. I.E. shooting up a strip club with 50 witnesses, or, running a dog fighting ring out of your backyard, with witnesses. Or shooting yourself in the leg with an illegal firearm. The key is there has to be evidence. The only evidence they could have had is the rape kit. And clearly there wasn’t enough there to prove it.
    It’s not a white or black thing, you “cracker” hater. It’s a matter of evidence. Take your racism blinders off and look at the facts. But then again your brain is too tiny and un-evolved to comprehend reality. Same for the rest of you who can’t comprehend reality, and blame everything on white people. Get off your porches and into the real world.

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