Comments on: Boston attorney says he investigated another Roethlisberger incident

By: ToledoLions

ToledoLions — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:45:52 +0000

@ scottlarock78,
1) Kellen Winslow had a clause in his contract forbidding him to ride a bike, and he violated that. Ben didn’t.
2) As the Milledgeville DA said, you can’t prosecute morals. You can only prosecute crimes. I.E. shooting up a strip club with 50 witnesses, or, running a dog fighting ring out of your backyard, with witnesses. Or shooting yourself in the leg with an illegal firearm. The key is there has to be evidence. The only evidence they could have had is the rape kit. And clearly there wasn’t enough there to prove it.
It’s not a white or black thing, you “cracker” hater. It’s a matter of evidence. Take your racism blinders off and look at the facts. But then again your brain is too tiny and un-evolved to comprehend reality. Same for the rest of you who can’t comprehend reality, and blame everything on white people. Get off your porches and into the real world.

By: Deb

Deb — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:26:47 +0000

@UcktheFeagles …
You may not be a Cowboys fan, but everything else I wrote is dead on. Actually, you’re even more pathetic than I thought. Apparently you’re obsessed with teams that aren’t even in your division. And you’re asking a rape survivor who’s been there if she’d hold a woman down so a man could assault her. You lead a pretty sad life.

By: jimicos

jimicos — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:06:59 +0000

tryagain says:
April 13, 2010 7:02 PM
i’m surprised jimicos- i pegged you as a glambert fan who’s still angry that kris won.
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Well, I guess your lucky streak is over then, huh? Cancel those tickets to Vegas ASAP. You’ll lose your ass.

By: UckTheFeagles

UckTheFeagles — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:48:53 +0000

Actually I hate the cowboys and I can’t stand the skins or the giants either, so guess again “Deb”.
So tell us, would you hold your sister down for big benny??? I bet you would.

By: Deb

Deb — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:42:26 +0000

@UckTheFeagles …
Pathetic. I agree. The DA said nothing to indicate that Roethlisberger is a deviant predator, only a stupid, immature jackass. That’s why he told him to grow up. You, on the other hand, are a sick Cowboys fan who keeps trolling these threads posting the same tired garbage. Just look at your user name. You’re no better than the people you whine about.

By: UckTheFeagles

UckTheFeagles — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:15:40 +0000

Why would anyone be sticking up for this deviate predator at this point?
I honestly think most of these steeler fans would help him rape their sisters if it promised another super bowl win. Pathetic.

By: Deb

Deb — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:30:09 +0000

@edgy1957 …
Totally agree with everything you said. How easy was that?
For me this has been about issues of innocence until guilt is proved, trial by media, unpopular behavior vs. criminal behavior (for instance, the public deciding the Ramseys were child killers because they put their daughter in pageants). And I have a problem with the belief that if two consenting adults get drunk and have sex, the woman can later claim she couldn’t consent because she was intoxicated. (Your 1976 episode doesn’t fit that category. If she’s unconscious and two strangers assault her, it is rape.)
None of those issues absolve Ben of responsibility for his behavior or choices. I’m opposed to league suspension because it sets a precedent of suspending players who haven’t failed a drug test, been arrested, or committed egregious disciplinary violations. But the team should take strong action. Whether he’ll get it, I don’t know.
Can they make him clean toilets at the stadium?

By: Deb

Deb — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:21:42 +0000

RebaT …
I’m content to let my posts speak for my IQ and the health and sobriety of my brain cells while your posts speak for yours.

By: tryagain

tryagain — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:02:48 +0000

i’m surprised jimicos- i pegged you as a glambert fan who’s still angry that kris won.

By: .RebaT

.RebaT — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:59:55 +0000

Yeah, like Ben would file a defamation suit right now… PLEASE! NOT! He just wants everything to go away. Sorry to inform you Ben, it won’t.

By: .RebaT

.RebaT — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:49:06 +0000

Wow. #3 Deb and you don't believe? How many brain cells have you killed over the years. Now Ben has lost his only sponsor and it is for his beef jerky, in PITTSBURGH. The owner of the company which produces the product also hopes for a 4 game suspension. HELLO! http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/62656/the_big_ben_jerky_empire_comes_to_an_end Ben is a low life MORON and rapist. Nice haircut too for his press statement. I didn't see the coach standing next to him either like his first statement with regards to the incident in NV. I saw an old dude, probably one of his attorneys. Apparently Ben was just reading the statement which obviously was written by somebody else. One can not have a high IQ AND watch American Idol. Contradictions.

By: last starfighter

last starfighter — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:41:32 +0000

@jimicos
that is such a great clip!
my next fave is “my fellow prisoners”

By: Deb

Deb — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:30:08 +0000

By: Paul_R.

Paul_R. — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:26:23 +0000

Dokford says:
What country do u guys live in? Superstars and certainly superbowl winning quarterbacks don’t have to rape girls to get sex. There are plenty of girls (successful, unsuccessful, rich, poor, black, white) that will give it up. Sure Ben is stupid for being in these situations all the time, but most of you are bot even close to being in his same situations.
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You know, the thing you don’t understand about these star athletes is that many came from poor backgrounds and were barely educated, but kept being moved along because of their athletic ability. How many star basketball players still keep their friends from the ‘hood? Plenty. What exactly is Ben Roethlisberger’s background? What was he like as a kid in elementary school or junior high or high school? Did he barely squeak by? What was his grades in college and what type of classes did he take? What was his upbringing like? What were his parents like?
How many NFL players have found themselves dead because of their background?
How many players have gone from rags to riches and couldn’t really handle the money well and blew a lot of it?
Look at Chris Henry. He got into a lot of trouble. Then he decided to grow up and stay out of trouble. Then he found himself dead.
Just because Ben is white doesn’t mean he can’t have a troubled background that shaped his personality to what it is today. He’s behaving in a way that he wants to and, unfortunately for him, leads to him getting into trouble. That’s why he doesn’t find a girlfriend that he sticks to. He wants to go to clubs and be “The Man”.
Having more trouble in Las Vegas is very easily believable. He’s buddies with “The Man”, the president of that casino where he had his problem with the first girl. That kind of also makes Ben “The Man” there, too. So, Ben likes to take advantage of it by perhaps being a little too forceful when he thinks he’s just having a good time. Or, maybe he thinks using force IS having a good time.

By: Deb

Deb — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:05:15 +0000

Paul_R. says:
Deb, in case you’re not aware of the facts that have been published …
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Published and accurate are two different things–though that distinction seems to escape you. I stick to the facts as released by the authorities, not the gossip sites. Here’s what District Attorney Fred Bright said in his 71-minute press conference:
1. Ben was buying drinks for the girl … because she was not able to buy them herself.
According to the DA, the woman was drinking illegally before she joined Roethlisberger’s group. He was buying drinks for the room. Purchasing drinks for someone underage is a misdemeanor but the mirror charge is underage drinking. They could not charge him without charging her and elected not to charge either. Both were intoxicated.
2. After she was intoxicated over double the legal limit …
Because of HIPPA laws, her BAC has never been released.
3. Ben’s bodyguard escorted her to the bathroom and Ben followed afterward. HE arranged it through his bodyguard.
A reporter asked the DA to clarify the bodyguard’s role. The DA said she asked a bodyguard the way to the bathroom. He showed her the way and came back. Later, Ben went back there. The bodyguard DID NOT KNOW Ben was there. According to the witnesses, they were only back there 10 minutes.
4. There is nothing that says that she was slobbering all over Ben. He got her so drunk that she could not make proper decisions and then he tried to take advantage of her.
The DA said that, according to witnesses, Ben and the woman were engaged in highly sexualized conversation and conduct all evening. He would not reveal the salacious details. He said there was plenty of blame to go around. He said BOTH had too much to drink, BOTH made mistakes, and he hoped BOTH learned from it.
5. He stated at the scene to the police that he had sexual contact.
The DA stated emphatically that THIS IS NOT TRUE. Ben NEVER admitted ANY sexual contact with her.
6. What type of sexual contact hasn’t been described to my knowledge.
Her sorority sisters dragged her to a cop on the street and started babbling. He asked her if she had been raped. She said NO. He asked if she’d had sex and she said she wasn’t sure. He sent her to the hospital where the rape kit could not confirm intercourse. The next day after she was sober, she said they’d had sex but she didn’t want to.
5. This girl was probably paid by Ben so that she would not press it further.
Despite Florio’s lurid speculation, the DA said he saw NO evidence that she was a gold digger. She wrote a letter in which she refused to recant her accusation but said she did not want to go through a public trial. There is NO evidence she has taken a payoff. Usually when people are paid off, they recant the accusation. The DA said he couldn’t have made a case even with her testimony, so if she wasn’t going to recant, what would be the point of paying her off? She obviously believes, as you do, that something happened and she bears no responsibility because she was drunk. I disagree. I think he’s an ass but not a criminal. I’m a rape survivor and don’t need you to lecture me on the violence of rape. But then, I was sober and fought back. So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t see this as comparable.

By: Deb

Deb — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:50:06 +0000

Aw come on, jimicos. I have a pretty high IQ and I watch American Idol. Don’t be so snooty.

By: Deb

Deb — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:39:18 +0000

By: Russlak

Russlak — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:32:44 +0000

Just keep it in your pants, Ben. Have a little discretion when you want sex. Out of respect which apparently you do not have for yourself, for the players before you, and the ones you work with now, leave. You do not deserve to wear a Steeler shirt.

By: KaiserSoze

KaiserSoze — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:13:46 +0000

“Boston lawyer Harry Manion told WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan Show on Tuesday that Manion was involved in an investigation regarding another Big Ben incident.
Maybe not.”
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Hey Florio, WTAE TV in Pittsburgh just ran a report on the 5 o’clock news stating that Manion, has already totally recanted this story, not once but TWICE today.
So, when are you going to write your retraction and apology?

By: mrlaloosh

mrlaloosh — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:10:42 +0000

This guy is REALY ugly. He should just but hookers. No 20 year old hot chick is going to do anything with this troll.
He’s stupid & ugly. But RICH!

By: C.Bass

C.Bass — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:10:20 +0000

Um, Florio. You left out some important DETAILS from that claim:
A subsequent e-mail from his office stated: “Mr. Manion did not mean to express or imply that he has any information that Mr. Roethlisberger engaged in any illegal behavior.”
That same addendum was posted on the website of the radio show, The Dennis & Callahan Morning Show.
Mr. Manion said the ONLY parallel he was making pertained to his client being ushered into the VIP area of a nightclub to socialize with Mr. Roethlisberger
So I guess inviting a woman into your VIP area means Ben is guilty of sexual assault. Sorry haters. It’s a non-story.

By: jimicos

jimicos — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:54:09 +0000

ajd78 says:
April 13, 2010 3:59 PM
Western PA mentality is hillarious! And they make fun of West Virginan’s!!
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While we’re on the topic of western Pennsylvania… This is just a classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLVSURlFoQs

By: jimicos

jimicos — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:50:41 +0000

it’s all bs says:
April 13, 2010 3:28 PM
Yes something happened in that bathroom in Georgia but it was not criminal…Yes Big Ben is fat, drunk, and stupid but that is not a crime people!
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Are you saying it’s not a crime to have sex in a nightclub bathroom in Georgia?

By: jimicos

jimicos — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:44:49 +0000

tryagain says:
April 13, 2010 3:28 PM
Exactly and I think I’m still grooving the mojo so if you have anything you’d like me to answer, ask away.
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I don’t think I have any questions you’re qualified to answer. I have an IQ above 25, so I don’t watch American Idol.

By: jimicos

jimicos — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:41:39 +0000

it’s all bs says:
April 13, 2010 3:28 PM
Aren’t there cameras ALL OVER the place in Vegas? I mean where’s the footage…oh what it just disappeared too right? If there was “hush” money then why is this guy blabbing his mouth about it? Get real people! Anyone that does not see this for what it is is just as dumb as Big Ben!
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Yes, I’m sure there are hidden cameras in the guest rooms in all the Vegas hotels. There’s no invasion of privacy issue there, nope, none at all.
BTW, can we get ESPN to send Erin Andrews to Vegas to cover the WSOP this year?

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:33:17 +0000

Deb says:
April 13, 2010 1:44 PM
@edgy1957 …
First, that was Ben’s first visit to Milledgeville.
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I think the thing that many people seem to forget is the FAR MORE IMPORTANT thing that he said and that he needs to be smart and not get into those situations. Frankly, I don’t really care about whether they were both drunk or she started dry humping the entire bar, he is a professional athlete that didn’t need to be in that situation because he’s already facing scrutiny from the last one. He doesn’t need to be a monk but he’s an idiot for getting into that situation. SHE is NOT the blame for his stupidity and I don’t care if he raped her or helped her up when she fell down – he should have never put himself into the situation in the first place. He WON’T listen to anyone and unless they make him miss more than a game or tow, he NEVER WILL. His whole apology is a joke and if you believe that he’s sincere about it, fool you three times.
Let me tell you something, I was with a friend of mine back in 1976 and we were out partying with some of his friends and I decided that I had enough and I went to sleep. Well, I woke up and my friend was beating the crap out of two of the guys because HE woke up and they were going after it with a girl that had passed out but woke up when they having their “fun.” It was her crying and pleading that woke him up and when he realized what was going on, he gave them what for. Now, they tried REAL hard to claim that it was her fault and she had changed her mind in the middle of all of it but one of the guys who didn’t participate but watched them, told a far different story. The thing about it was, she had gone to the party with several of her friends and after she passed out, they just left her there.
Now, despite the fact that she had several witneesses to it, she didn’t pursue it because of the stigma and because they would have put her through the wringer.
Let me tell you about drunk. My next door neighbor used to say to me that it had been a long time since she had a guy over and I’d have to take her back to the bar that she frequented so that they could tell her that she had left with someone the night before.
Anyway, the fact is that since you and I have been conversing about Ben, I’ve pointed out out his immaturity and that he didn’t seem to learn from the past and that continues to be the case. I honestly don’t care whether he’s guilty or not and you shouldn’t, either. What’s more important is the fact that he’s got $100 riding on his stupidity and a billion dollar franchise that would be set back for years, if they have to start over with a new QB. It’s not just Ben, the franchise really needs to stop coddling him and the others and letting this crap get out of hand. The Bengals did it for years and look at how it kept hurting them. The Rooneys took care of Holmes but I consider that too little, too late. They’re just as culpable in this because they should have sat Ben down after he refused to listen to them about the motorcycle and show him who the boss was. Now, maybe that doesn’t seem like the right thing to do but 3, if not more, embarrassing events because he won’t use his head, have proven that he can’t be trusted to think about the consequences of his actions.

By: Paul_R.

Paul_R. — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:10:51 +0000

Deb says:
I have a problem with the idea that women can drink themselves insensible, climb all over a man, then when it goes too far, cry rape because they were in no condition to give rational consent. Women are responsible for the choices they make for their bodies. If they willingly drink themselves into oblivion and willingly slobber all over a man but decide later it went too far, that does not compare to a woman who has been violently overpowered, drugged, threatened with a weapon, etc. Even if the law absolves women of responsibility for their own actions, to me that is regret, not rape.
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Deb, in case you’re not aware of the facts that have been published, Ben was buying drinks for the girl in Milledgeville because he was not able to buy them herself. After she was intoxicated over double the legal limit, Ben’s bodyguard escorted her to the bathroom and Ben followed afterward. There is nothing that says that she was slobbering all over Ben. She didn’t slobber all over him and lead him into the bathroom. HE arranged it through his bodyguard.
It’s Ben that did what he should not have done. He illegally purchased alcoholic beverages for someone who was underage. He got her so drunk that she could not make proper decisions and then he tried to take advantage of her. He stated at the scene to the police that he had sexual contact. What type of sexual contact hasn’t been described to my knowledge. This girl was probably paid by Ben so that she would not press it further. But, like many women who have been sexually assaulted, she decided that she did not want to be in a court room describing details about the encounter.
A person who commits sexual assault is a person who likes to commit a violent act against someone. Do you really think that a football player, a person who experiences violence on a weekly basis, wouldn’t fit the profile of someone who likes to use violence against others?
The attorney in Massachusetts made statements saying that there was a situation that occurred in Las Vegas, in which he was retained to investigate, which was nearly exactly like the situation in Milledgeville. Attorneys would not put their firm in the position of being liable in a case where statements are publicly made so you can be certain that this attorney is speaking the truth. In that case, there was no civil or criminal case because the woman decided that she didn’t want to proceed further. Was she also paid by Ben to keep it quiet? Probably. The attorneys wouldn’t work for nothing so they were paid for their time.
A little common sense here, please. Can you name any other NFL quarterbacks who have had anything even remotely like this happening to them? Tony Romo? No. Tom Brady? No. Joe Flacco? No. Mark Sanchez? No. Anyone? No. Just Ben and now multiple times. He’s got a problem and I’m sure that this news has been sitting on Goodell’s desk before he spoke with Ben today.

By: ajd78

ajd78 — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:59:48 +0000

Western PA mentality is hillarious! And they make fun of West Virginan’s!! “Our QB is no rapist there are just money grubbin whores who are all tellin the same story. Hell I’d put my sister up on a rape stand for Big Ben no need fur a bathroom. And I could do that cause she’s my wife too !”

By: Florios'Lawyer

Florios'Lawyer — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:56:16 +0000

# ArtModellsPimp says: April 13, 2010 12:35 PM
“Everytime you post something to defend this abuser, you come across like a damned fool.”
Every time you post something where you claim to be absolutely certain of his guilt, you come across like a banana deprived shit-faced chimpanzee on crack, banging away on your keyboard with open palms.

By: Dante

Dante — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:51:44 +0000

Big Ben has a problem,. Actually many problems, but the one that leads me to write this comment is kind of obvious: he’s an immensely talented rich football superstar who, unfortunately, happens to be really physically ugly. But his lack of consistently God-given gifts in the looks department haven’t apparently stopped him from thinking that he deserves to have every beautiful woman he fancies fall for his masculine charms, reputation and bank account.
Of course, he isn’t the first banal or worse looking star athlete or rock star to think that way. It’s no wonder these egotists can’t control their fame induced libidos when the frustration of knowing the women they want wouldn’t ever pick them for their core DNA is highly suppressed.
Aggression and unrestrained decorum that would normally befit a gentleman is all that is left.
My advice: Spend some of that hard earned dough on some serious plastic surgery, dude!
Dante