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League faces a tough decision on Roethlisberger

The calls for the league to suspend Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger are increasing.  Among fans and the media, we’ve detected a strong sense that Commissioner Roger Goodell should suspend him.

Former Steelers teammate Mike Logan of ESPN 1250 in Pittsburgh told WTAE-TV that a failure to suspend Roethlisberger could create a real problem.  “A lot of players will go out and say, ‘Well, Ben did this,'” Logan said.  “‘He’s been in bad situations and he didn’t get suspended.’  So I think there might be a little uproar if he doesn’t get a suspension.” 

Bengals receiver Chad Ochocinco posed this question on Twitter:  “What would have happened to me if I was being accused of the same allegations that Ben was?”

And this speaks to the unfortunate but unavoidable racial distinctions at issue here.  Many have raised the perception that Roethlisberger will catch a break because he’s white.

For starters, does anyone think that Roethlisberger is catching a break?  Unless it’s now regarded as a good thing to be constantly ridiculed and scrutinized and openly held in contempt, it’s hard to characterize any aspect of the past several weeks as anything other than a heaping helping of comeuppance.

There’s another important reality that must be considered in this case — the terms of the Personal Conduct Policy.  As we’ve recently pointed out, the four-page document contains inconsistent language regarding whether a suspension may be imposed in the absence of an arrest or prosecution.  In the section explaining the “Standards of Conduct,” the policy seems to encompass behavior that does not result in an arrest or the filing of charges.  In the section regarding “Discipline,” the policy seems to contemplate the existence of a criminal proceeding, especially in the case of a “first offense.”

(In this regard, it’s possible that Goodell could conclude that the Nevada lawsuit constitutes a “first offense”; given that there was no criminal investigation and that the civil case is tied up in initial procedural skirmishes, it would be difficult at this juncture for Goodell to conclude that Roethlisberger did anything wrong in Nevada, unless NFL Security has thoroughly investigated the situation.) 

If the league suspends Roethlisberger despite the ambiguity contained in the Personal Conduct Policy, the league would be establishing a precedent that, in theory, would compel the league to be prepared to investigate any allegations of misbehavior that, for whatever reason, the criminal justice system opts not to address.  As a practical matter, however, the Commissioner could blur the words of the Personal Conduct Policy to justify any suspension that he chooses to impose, especially if the contrition Roethlisberger demonstrated on Monday night would translate into an acceptance of the decision without resistance. 

With so many people acknowledging that Roethlisberger has done enough to be severely punished and with Roethlisberger by all appearances prepared to take his medicine, Goodell could treat Roethlisberger’s case as an aberration, suspend him, and then adhere to a general rule that invokes the Personal Conduct Policy only when the player has been arrested or prosecuted.

Then there’s the reality, as we’ve previously pointed out, that the Steelers could suspend Roethlisberger for up to four games for conduct detrimental to the team.  Given that the Steelers need to reclaim their reputation by doing something more tangible than merely shipping Santonio Holmes to New York, it makes far more sense for the Steelers and not the league to punish Roethlisberger — and for Goodell to explain in detail that, if the Steelers had not disciplined Roethlisberger, the league would have.

Either way, we’ll likely have an answer soon.  And no one believes that he’ll walk away from the situation with only a slap on the wrist.     

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  1. cunn9305 says: Apr 14, 2010 12:24 AM

    Listen I think he should be suspended, at least two games, but the racist talk is BS. Vick went to federal prison and Pacman had a rapsheet as well as being involved in a shooting where a guy got paralyzed. There will be no slap on the wrist but if the League / Steelers act it will be because of his actions and NOT the color of his skin.

  2. LaughingClown says: Apr 14, 2010 12:25 AM

    El Diablo t-shirt: $20
    Pat Reilly-style mullet: Priceless!

  3. .RebaT says: Apr 14, 2010 12:26 AM

    If there is ANY justice out there, Ben will be out for at least 4 games and fined 250k. Nice way of apologizing to the fans Ben! You looked like someone who was homeless! If there were REALY justice the Steelers would trade his butt to a weak team! Then we’ll see just how “strong” he really is.

  4. ChrisD says: Apr 14, 2010 12:26 AM

    “Given that the Steelers need to reclaim their reputation”, reclaim from what?
    Couldn’t have said it better than Mark on TMQB
    • THE ROONEYS SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS. From Mark Pence of Pittsburgh: “Regarding the upstanding Steelers, how has the organization handled Jeff Reed’s off-field incidents? Has he been suspended by the team? Or was he rewarded with the franchise tag and the contract that it carries? And what about James Harrison? Didn’t the organization overlook Najeh Davenport’s off-field transgressions when they needed help at running back? Weren’t there warning flags about Santonio Holmes before the draft that the organization chose to ignore? Didn’t they give him numerous chances, until he was facing a league suspension and in the final year of his contract? And THEN they trade him? To say the Steelers are ‘upstanding’ is a bit of a stretch. They’re no different than any other team — if it’s convenient, and necessary, they’ll keep a player.”
    Absolutely, totally true. Great e-mail, Mark.

  5. oyoy84 says: Apr 14, 2010 12:27 AM

    The league/refs are always bailing out the Steelers. Why should now be any different?

  6. dogma1 says: Apr 14, 2010 12:30 AM

    Two games sounds about right. I think Big Ben needs help though, something is not right here.

  7. pjkd55 says: Apr 14, 2010 12:36 AM

    He should be suspended and put in substance abuse. I am a lifelong Steeler fan and he is a complete embarassment to the team, himself and his family. I agree that all the racist talk is BS. I can’t stand Ben but he has never been arrested. Turdio was arrested and had problems long before coming to Pittsburgh.

  8. SixBurgh says: Apr 14, 2010 12:39 AM

    Yo the punishment for Black and White players has always been unfair…Matt Jones was caught in his car cutting up cocaine and NOTHING happend to him, he was aloud to play football all year the same year this happend…he wasn’t let go untill he messed his probation up by having a drink, and now he’s a Bengal WTF…Pacman on the other hand has never been charged and Good for nothing Goodell cut him for a year, there are many more cases that involves this type of unfair punishment… I’m not making excuses for behaviors all i’m saying is that the punishment is always worse for a Black player than a White player!

  9. cgc1969 says: Apr 14, 2010 12:39 AM

    well said

  10. Playoffs?! says: Apr 14, 2010 12:39 AM

    If he doesn’t get suspended, all hell will break loose. It will scream ‘Double standard” to a degree. Honestly, he should get at least 2 to 4 games

  11. EdgarSnyder says: Apr 14, 2010 12:40 AM

    no criminal charges? what is goodell the moral police. nfl is getting out of hand.
    so then I expect that ocho will be suspended for acting like a frickin retard every day of his life.

  12. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Apr 14, 2010 12:42 AM

    I think it has less to do with race, and more to do with the fact that he’s a star QB and was, up until recently, one of the faces of the NFL.
    If it had been Matt Cassel or Kyle Orton instead, they’d get it worse that Rapenstein will.
    And for the record, I think the guy is slime and should be suspended for a lot more than two games. Eight to 16 games seems about right for this kind of crime. Two games is nothing.

  13. Browns_why says: Apr 14, 2010 12:43 AM

    It is going out on a limb to say that there is no racial undertones in Ben Roethlisberger treatment. It is still early and some issues unresolved.
    The fact of the matter is that Roethlisberger got a pass all last season for pending litigation against him. The media said “the case was going to be dismissed”. When in actuality it was just a motion his attorneys were making to dismiss the case.
    He has already gotten favorable treatment. Ocho has a point.

  14. The Wishbone says: Apr 14, 2010 12:43 AM

    Where’s the “tough” part? This is an easy decision for the league. It doesn’t get much easier.

  15. bspurloc says: Apr 14, 2010 12:45 AM

    Dante Stallworth is back…… dude should be working at BK not the nfl…..

  16. ItalianArmyGuy says: Apr 14, 2010 12:46 AM

    Suspend him for a year, like I said earlier. Then there won’t be any racial bias. I’m sure the Steelers can miss the playoffs this year just as easily with Ben or without him. Based on what they’ve done to improve their O-line and D-line this offseason (nothing), they won’t make the playoffs whether he plays this year or not. Let him take a rest – he’s been banged up enough.
    I like the Rams trade idea. Two first rounders, including this year’s #1 – get Ndamukong Suh in there like a modern day Mean Joe Greene. Pick up Tim Tebow at #18, and the Steelers are on their way again. Two more top draft picks next year, and they could be stocked up for a decade long run.

  17. rdzn99 says: Apr 14, 2010 12:47 AM

    Suspension is in order. Good thing the NFL has delayed the release of the schedule to avoid putting the Steelers in the spotlite while Ben’s suspended for the 1st 4 games…

  18. Rafterman says: Apr 14, 2010 12:47 AM

    He’s never been charged much less convicted of ANYTHING. Is Goodell going to suspend him for being stupid? If so he would have to suspend 3/4 of the league.
    A much more likely scenario is that Art ll will suspend him for one or two games. Sorry haters that’s all you’re going to get. LOL!

  19. Oldratbazzard Seadog says: Apr 14, 2010 12:49 AM

    True Dat cunn9305

  20. RottingReagan says: Apr 14, 2010 12:50 AM

    Crucify that rapist POS!

  21. v4vagiants says: Apr 14, 2010 12:50 AM

    At least if Ben did it, people will know he did it.. Even with no charges, people will still think Ben did it. Just because he did not get charged does not mean that the 20yr old chick did not get paid off.. I, for one, will always speculate about Ben’s character.

  22. VegasRandy says: Apr 14, 2010 12:51 AM

    The racist talk is garbage.
    What would happen to Santonio Holmes if he had 2 incidents with women? Nothing because he DOES have 2 incidents and was never suspended for it ( His suspension is for drugs)
    Here are Santonio’s 2 incidents:
    1)on June 18, 2006 for domestic violence and assault.
    2)On March 24, 2010, Anshonae Mills filed a lawsuit against Holmes over a March 7 incident in which she alleges Holmes threw a glass at her in an Orlando nightclub, resulting in a cut above her eye
    The race baiters are the real racists.

  23. scrapdawg12 says: Apr 14, 2010 12:53 AM

    Suspend this idiot for the season

  24. BillsFan27 says: Apr 14, 2010 12:55 AM

    This thing isn’t going away. Ever. And it shouldn’t.
    Maybe the Steelers should deal him to a west coast team that doesn’t get much national TV exposure – like the Seahawks.
    He’s become a strange stigma to the shield.

  25. Raider Pride says: Apr 14, 2010 12:56 AM

    Sorry. cunn9305 April 14, 2010 12:24 AM
    Florio is right as rain.
    Race will be a issue in this fiasco. If not now, then next month, or next year, when another idiot contests a NLF suspension.
    I have more respect for an idiot (Black, White, Or Yellow) who is accused of shooting himself, or another man…. Then I do any anyone who shows a track record of being accused of sexually abusing woman.
    I have more respect for a murder than I do of a rapist.
    I would suspect the general population of maximum security convicts feel the same damn way.
    Ohh It Will Become A Racial Issue. If Not Now But In The Future.
    Brilliant observation Mr. Floio. As Always.

  26. MotorCityKitties says: Apr 14, 2010 12:57 AM

    I think that dirty, greasy, slicked-back mullet he wears is punishment enough. Although that’s probably still a hot look in the Pittsburgh city limits.

  27. QB_of_the_Future says: Apr 14, 2010 12:59 AM

    The league may not be able to do something because of a lack of a “crime,” similar to Fred Bright’s situation of not being able to completely prove his case…but the Steelers can certainly suspend him for being an idiot. AGAIN.

  28. Michael LaRocca says: Apr 14, 2010 1:00 AM

    Castration sounds good.

  29. rea725 says: Apr 14, 2010 1:01 AM

    I for one am tired of hearing about how the Rooneys’ are good guys who don’t tolerate bad behavior. Yes, they shipped Holmes packing, but the Steelers have been one of the more thuggish teams for years. Anybody remember Tim Worley, Bam Morris, Eric Green? All first round picks with character issues that were known pre-draft. The Steelers’ lack of regard for the character of the players they acquire is just now catching up with them. It’s been a timebomb waiting to go off for years.

  30. gopherb24 says: Apr 14, 2010 1:08 AM

    Props to Ochocinco for his comment. I’m not a fan of the race card, but the fact of the matter is that many African-Americans in the NFL have been suspended by Goodell before their case even begins. Goodell took his sweet time with the Roethlisberger case, and waited until he heard that there would be no charges–giving Goodell an easy out for not punishing Big Ben.

  31. steeelfann says: Apr 14, 2010 1:13 AM

    It is the Year 3053. The NFL is wildly popular. Blacks still fill targeted. Whites feel that they are too pressured.
    GET AWAY FROM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Ben has not been convicted of ANYTHING. EVER!
    Nonsense. Pacman has. Vick has. OJ has. Harris Barton has. Rae Caruth has. Mark Ingram has. Bam Morris has. Art Schlichter has.
    “Merely” sent Santonio Holmes to the Jets for a 5th rounder?????????????
    Florio, Ben has done NOTHING that is beyond any shadows. NOTHING. Put away your tar and feathers. NOTHING. Put the race card deck away also. STUPIDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    He has been accused. You have been accused of not being TMZ. Sooooooooooooooo???
    He has not paralyzed anyone.
    He has not waked and baked.
    He has not murdered anyone.
    He has not run anyone over in car after hooch and maryjane.
    He has not beat anyone up
    What has Ben done after all speculation and liberal media make-believe subsides? What?

  32. Ben Huh says: Apr 14, 2010 1:14 AM

    If Roethlisberger ends up being suspended I’ll patiently await for the same treatment to be handed down to Shaun Rogers for taking a loaded weapon into an airport, regardless if he’s charged or not, since afterall that is the precedent set here. If it doesn’t happen I’ll cry racism on Roethlisberger’s behalf.

  33. kbaby604 says: Apr 14, 2010 1:14 AM

    Please don’t play the race card but I would bet my last dollar if Ben was a Raider … he would be suspended.
    It’s not the player’s color … it’s certin teams that get the special teatment.

  34. Mooch says: Apr 14, 2010 1:14 AM

    Do what David Stern did with Jordan, if you believe the conspiracy theories. Get ben to pursue another interest for 2 years instead of a suspension.

  35. jmichael says: Apr 14, 2010 1:16 AM

    What a bunch of reactionary nonsense. If I’m Big Ben, I would sue the league if they contemplated so much as a fine. No criminal charge equals no crime equals no punishable offense under any reasonable conduct policy. This zero-tolerance, image oriented fascism practiced by the NFL has to stop. The man is innocent until proven guilty, and the league should treat him, (and all players, regardless of race,) as such. This shoot first and ask questions later mentality is the biggest threat facing America today. It has permeated society, and it is the underlying cause of many cultural tragedies, from the invasion of Iraq all the way to schools suspending students because they give a friend an aspirin. When will we wake up and apply common sense?
    For the record, I’m a die-hard, long suffering Redskins fan, and I would send Pittsburgh McNabb, Haynesworth, and next year’s #2 for Big Ben in a heartbeat.

  36. DanRooney says: Apr 14, 2010 1:21 AM

    Peyton Manning touches boys.
    You think my statement enough evidence to get him suspended for 4 games?

  37. Lex Luger says: Apr 14, 2010 1:22 AM

    Nothing will happen, dude is a superbowl winning franchise qb, nfl will protect him at all cost.

  38. yinzburgh says: Apr 14, 2010 1:23 AM

    Did Kobe Bryant receive any suspension in 2003 after actually getting arrested for sexual assault and publicly settling with his accuser?
    JUST ASKING!

  39. VonClausewitz says: Apr 14, 2010 1:25 AM

    Neither the league nor the Steelers are in a tough spot. It’s simple. If the rules aren’t clear, clarify them. Establish a set of rules on conduct and follow them. If Ben’s done something that would merit the suspension then suspend him. Problem solved.
    In my opinion Ben hasn’t done anything that would violate the current policy any way you cut it.
    By the 1 warning angle, the nevada case shouldn’t qualify as a first warning as the case is completely and self-evidently specious.
    By the question of whether the league should be arbiter of a players sexual lives, it’s a slamdunk. No they shouldn’t.
    By the criteria that a player need to violate a law, he hasn’t, so that fails too.
    By the criteria that he’s done something in such bad taste that he deserves punishment, no he hasn’t. To feign surprise that a young pro athlete would hook up with young women in clubs is laughable. These things happen. See the earlier point about the league staying out of the bedroom.
    By the criteria of charges being made. That hasn’t happened either. There wasn’t enough evidence. Look for yourself.
    In short, Ben shouldn’t be suspended under the current rules. And if the league decides to clarify the current rules they’d be in the untenable position of dictating the sexual lives of their players. No luck there either.
    Finally, on the whole need for “punishment as a message”. You know, I think Ben’s rep has taken enough of a hit that other players are well aware that he put himself in a bad position. The application of faux and questionable outrage by the league in the form of a suspension wouldn’t change a thing and would only hurt the league at some point down the road.

  40. Vegasvikingfan says: Apr 14, 2010 1:30 AM

    6 game suspension, and a 2 year probation sounds about right

  41. doworkci says: Apr 14, 2010 1:32 AM

    A guy was paralyzed in the Pac Man incident, but Big Ben is barking up a “rape tree”, That shit messes with the victims, He should be suspended and if I am GOoDell, thats what I am doing. Cant be double standards!

  42. mcgr8569 says: Apr 14, 2010 1:33 AM

    You make some good points in this argument Florio – truly brings out the lawyer in you. But I think Ochocinco brings up a good point.
    What happened to Jeff Reed after his little dust up? a one game suspension? not much. What if James Harrison had this same problem as Big Ben? What if Matt Ryan had this same problem? Joe Flacco?
    The league treats every situation differently (as they probably should) but let’s be honest: isn’t the league screwed here whatever they do?
    4 game suspension – wah wah wah he never committed a crime.
    1 game suspension – this guy’s a menace to society and you slap him on the wrist?
    What would happen to an everyday Joe Schmo if he were in the same situation… would State Farm Insurance fire/fine/suspend/sanction Joe?
    Interesting beast, this NFL

  43. EdBurns666 says: Apr 14, 2010 1:35 AM

    I’m thinking if they suspend him, 2 games would be sufficient… Now that we know the facts, the team should impose some kind of punishment.

  44. wdhart3 says: Apr 14, 2010 1:39 AM

    The league would have suspended Chad with the quickness. Ben is scum and needs to be treated as such! They need to treat Ben like they treated Andy in Shawshank Redemption and see how he likes it

  45. longthoughts says: Apr 14, 2010 1:41 AM

    Big Ben won’t catch a break because he’s white. He’ll catch a break because he’s a winning quarterback for a major ball club. And even though my guess is that he’s a creep, nothing has stuck to him. The first allegation…well, that woman was clearly more than a little obsessed and out for money. But anyone who says that just because he did not have charges brought against him in this second case that he is “innocent”…well, they have a different definition of innocent than I do. He’s innocent legally, of course. In the end, that’s what will matter. He’ll walk away with a slap on the wrist. But any person, regardless of stature, should have better sense than to get young girls drunk and plow them in public bathrooms. That was my dream when I was like thirteen. It’s a question of values. Whatever happened to plowing age-appropriate women in a drunken state in the privacy of one’s own home?

  46. Mooch says: Apr 14, 2010 1:45 AM

    The Steelers invited this by playing tough with Santonio. This is PR, guys. Perception = reality.
    You cannot ignore ben’s situation after dropping the hammer on Santonio.
    Else, you look like you have a…what’s the word? Oh, a double standard.
    NFL fans know it’s because one is a QB and one is a WR…but to the general public it looks bad. Especially when Reed is welcomed back.
    Bad timing! Do they have no competent PR people?

  47. P-way Eagles says: Apr 14, 2010 1:48 AM

    If Goodell doesnt suspend him the steelers will…If he gets 4 games, I think thats fair and the Steelers will just move on with him. Don’t rule out a trade though. The only player in the league worth more then 2 first rounders is peyton manning. So if they get that offer…I think they take it.

  48. kagriff24 says: Apr 14, 2010 1:52 AM

    give me a break with this playing of the race card crap. its 2010! how come its always white people but black people arent – it goes both ways but seriously this claim is ridiculous just like chad’s game!

  49. DINO says: Apr 14, 2010 1:53 AM

    everyone but the steelers in the afc central wants ben suspended… 2 games .. it night give those teams a two game head start?… ben won’t make this mistake again

  50. FumbleNuts says: Apr 14, 2010 1:56 AM

    Suspend Rapenstein!

  51. whodey says: Apr 14, 2010 1:58 AM

    It’s not going to be good either way as no decision the league or team makes will please everyone. Just goes to show that it could happen to any team at any time…

  52. Dario Rodriguez says: Apr 14, 2010 2:00 AM

    Pacman was never charged with anything or convicted. Pacman was always “Accused” of the issues he was involved in. It’s basically the same situation as Big Ben, Ben has been “Accused” twice about being a rapist. So if Big Ben isn’t suspended then why was Pacman suspended? Now a talented player like Pacman has a hard time trying to get back into the NFL because people see him as a problem because he like’s to party and hang out at strip clubs. But isn’t that the same thing Big Ben does? Party at nightclubs and have sex with women who accuse him of rape?

  53. Remember21 says: Apr 14, 2010 2:01 AM

    @ Cunn… The fact of the the matter is Vick was asked by Goodell not to attend anything football related until his legal issues were completed, then he went to Jail, then got suspended. Pacman was not convinced on any of the charges. Goodell slapped those punishments before any indictments came down. But somehow wanted to wait and see what happened with Ben? Hmm very interesting. Even if the Steelers do suspend him. The league should not just back up because of it. It should step in just as it did with other players. There are alot of racial over and undertones with this case. But for you not to acknowledge it, seems very typical of most people in our society. He has engaged in conduct detromental to his team and the league. That is a fact.

  54. YawnFlorio says: Apr 14, 2010 2:06 AM

    I think that he should get the same penalty that Belichick got. No suspension and only a fine. Seems more than fair given that Belichick was found guilty of cheating while Ben was not found guilty of anything except being stupid enough to put himself in dumb situations.

  55. LeeB says: Apr 14, 2010 2:07 AM

    OK. so he walks. But rest assure that many are watching how the NFL will react in the future when a black athlete is accused of whatever.
    This means that Roger better not even think about fines or suspensions unless an indictement is made. A guy could be accused of all sorts of crimes and unless there are charges, the NFL and Roger will have to sit on their hands just like they did for Ben. I want to see fine letters as issued by the Steelers owner justifying why they are doing nothing, letting the law handle the matter, etc.
    The precedence is being set by the commissioner. And of course, the NFL will have all sorts of civil rights organization after them if they show a pattern of protectionism of white athletes and punishment of black athletes under similar circumstances.
    Don’t you just hate nasty unintended consequences.

  56. Stone says: Apr 14, 2010 2:14 AM

    Damn straight he’s catching a break if he doesn’t get suspended. Who cares what the court of public opinion says. As we saw last year, once the season starts and if they win games, this entire story will disappear from the mainstream media because it’s not marketable to the mass audience. He definitely needs to be suspended for at least two games so players can see the consequences of their actions, regardless of whether they are black or white.

  57. dlmcc0909 says: Apr 14, 2010 2:15 AM

    Theres no race issue here. The Steelers will suspend him due to the anger of ownership at their players over the offseason. the public in general has been very critical of Ben and rightfully so. they know they have no choice in the matter anyway. I dont think Goodell would or should do it. I think this ones all on Steelers ownership. theyre supposed to the model front office.

  58. Timbe012314 says: Apr 14, 2010 2:15 AM

    With the labor climate as it is the Union could file a grievance if the Commish disciplines Roethlisberger.
    If they don’t then they could expose themselves to a claim for breach of the duty of fair representation.
    Now, I’m sure Big Ben would probably just want this to go away and would not actually sue.
    However, the union could claim in public they had no choice. They could say they feared exposure to a lawsuit. I don’t know if this rationale would work for Joe SuperFan though so they’ll probably just assume Big Ben won’t sue because the Union wants to be on the fans’ side these days.
    They don’t want to be seen sticking up for a player that many fans consider a sleazeball (even many Steelers fans!)
    The league will probably just let the Steelers suspend Roethlisberger for conduct detrimental to the team though. That is on much stronger footing in the CBA. The league could do a wink and nod with the Art Rooney.
    So it is probably moot, but feel free to float this, Florio. You haven’t written about the labor dispute in awhile and why not link Big Ben to the labor dispute since there’s actually a not made up way to do it!

  59. jaywon says: Apr 14, 2010 2:16 AM

    I don’t know if the comparison is as much a race thing, as a perception thing.
    Ocho is right on point that he would be treated differently, but not because he’s black. It’s because Ben has been portrayed as a media darling, and Ocho has been portrayed as a pain in the @ss.
    2 time SB champion QBs have the collective head much farther up the poop shoot than a loud mouth attention seeking WR with with no hardware.
    It’s not the “black” players that get treated differently, it’s the ones who portray themselves as “thugs” for lack of a better word I guess, and than back it up with criminal activity.

  60. sniperhare says: Apr 14, 2010 2:17 AM

    Come on man, not everything is about race Ochocinco.

  61. ☻☼CBS, FOX, ESPN, NFLN nbc says: Apr 14, 2010 2:28 AM

    Chad should go strong-arm a couple of bitches Rapistburger style and find out first hand if he wants to ask hypothetical questions.
    Maybe Carson Palmer should take notes from Big Ben. It might get him 2 Superb Owl rings

  62. Dogsweat says: Apr 14, 2010 2:32 AM

    If Big Barf was black he would not be coddled so much.
    I am a white guy that can see this.
    Big Barf should be in prison or suspended from the league for a year.
    He may not be a thief or Murderer, but there is a clear pattern of sexual deviancy.
    I know I know he is innocent..Yea Right, that is why he paid the girls off.
    Race is the case.
    Just ask Plaxico.

  63. Raider Roy says: Apr 14, 2010 2:33 AM

    @cunn9305:
    I think the same as you.
    Florio: why must everything be about race??
    You don’t know what Chad was talking about, he could’ve been talking about the fact that Ben is a 2 x super bowl champion quarterback and the fact that he plays for a franchise owned by Dan Rooney who happens to be close with Roger Goodell….
    Florio please drop the racist talk, maybe you keep doing it to make the articles more interesting but please stop, this country needs to move forward and people like you are just holding us back…..get over it man it’s 2010, time to let it go….

  64. Raider Roy says: Apr 14, 2010 2:40 AM

    “Many have raised the perception that Roethlisberger will catch a break because he’s white.”
    -that comment right there made my blood boil, i’m sorry Florio but did something bizarre happen and i woke up in 1958???

  65. this class sucks says: Apr 14, 2010 2:46 AM

    He should NOT be suspended at all!!! This is so stupid. You are going to start suspending people who have never been charged with crimes now? No one should be suspended with out being charged or convicted. If it has happened before than that is WRONG. Dear god Roger Goodell must really want to flew his muscle if he suspends Big Ben. Either that or maybe he was acting racist and is trying to over compensate.

  66. trademcscab says: Apr 14, 2010 2:48 AM

    instead of turning this into a race issue how about we talk about the superman status weve givin qb’s……if you dont suspend him i think that people would also point to the fact that he is a 2 time super bowl qb…..need to make sure the superstar qbs are held under same standard as the rest of the players

  67. Darth Vader says: Apr 14, 2010 3:04 AM

    WAKE UP FLORIO They are saying the Dolphins are on the hunt for Brandon Marshall!!!

  68. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 3:14 AM

    The public also screamed in moral outrage for John and Patsy Ramsey to be roasted on a spit for what was perceived as their bizarre lifestyle and a mountain of evidence. In the end, the State of Colorado finally declared they played no part in the murder of their daughter. The Court of Public Opinion isn’t exactly known for making rational judgments.
    The Nevada accuser’s own friends, text messages, and e-mails contradict her story. DA Fred Bright said that when the Georgia accuser first spoke to the police, the officer asked if she was raped and she said NO. He asked if she’d had sex, and she said she wasn’t sure. Bright said that even with the accuser’s testimony, he didn’t have enough evidence to produce probable cause for an arrest, let alone a conviction. Roethlisberger has never failed a drug test, never even been brought in for questioning related to a crime, never broken a team rule.
    If he is suspended, it will be the first time the NFL has suspended a player solely for being an unpopular egomaniacal jackass. And it will be because he is white. Isn’t that the definition of racism?

  69. AFCrunsthroughMIA says: Apr 14, 2010 3:21 AM

    Wait Wait Wait, why the hell should a guy be suspended because he was ACCUSED of doing something but in the end was never charged or convicted. So if I accused Big Ben of stealing from me he should be suspended even though I’m pulling it out of my a$$? This woman obviously opened her legs and invited Ben right into the pink taco. Innocent until proven guilty people, no matter what Roger says that’s how it’s supposed to be.

  70. razic says: Apr 14, 2010 3:40 AM

    rapistburger needs to be removed from the NFL. the NFL is about wholesome family goodness which is entirely contrary to raping women. he has been accused TWICE. not once but TWICE for rape. i feel sorry for that woman out in nevada because nobody could believe her. go ahead and speculate that she was lying but the bruises on the girl’s genitals in Georgia are not lies. must be nice to be ben rapistburger and get away with 2 sexual assaults because he has fame and money. is this the same argument that some businesses are too big to fail? and ben rapistburger is the steelers? a sexual predator is condemned for life under current laws that exist throughout the country. will it take a 3rd woman before ben finally gets punished? how sick that he can throw money at a problem and get away with it.

  71. Carl says: Apr 14, 2010 4:45 AM

    “For starters, does anyone think that Roethlisberger is catching a break? Unless it’s now regarded as a good thing to be constantly ridiculed and scrutinized and openly held in contempt, it’s hard to characterize any aspect of the past several weeks as anything other than a heaping helping of comeuppance.”
    When compared with the consequences of a conviction for rape or sexual assault, yes, I think he’s catching a break. Being publicly ridiculed, scrutinized and openly held in contempt is way easier than facing a trial and going to jail.

  72. southpawImpact says: Apr 14, 2010 5:21 AM

    Look, I would buy that the league could treat Big Ben forgivingly because of what his career and what the Steelers’ success means to the league, especially financially, but not that it’s because he’s white… that would practically imply that for every “example” you make of one player/incident, you would have to make another “example” of another player/incident involving the other race in order for it to be fair… the whole point of getting past racism is to NOT emphasize it or make that distinction… not all of this reverse-racism and affirmative-action-mentality

  73. yazman of steel says: Apr 14, 2010 5:24 AM

    The easy out is for Goodell to allow the Steelers to suspend him, then he can appeal it. Ben has done nothing wrong legally, and is being tried now in the media and by public opinion. The second case ended without any charges (an allegation so weak that there was not even probable cause) and the first “charge” is highly contested. The racial aspect of this is spurred on by the media and completely moronic.

  74. Child_Please! says: Apr 14, 2010 5:25 AM

    Time for Deb to come and defend her man. Please oh great wise one, go on your filibuster and inform us all on the “facts” regarding the man you dream of ending up in a bathroom stall with.

  75. Viper2000 says: Apr 14, 2010 5:35 AM

    It doesn’t matter what color you are!! Suspend the punk and let the world know that he is no different then the rest. Better yet toss him in a hard core prison for a few months and made someone’s bitch. Let’s just see how much Big Ben can take in there!

  76. braindead says: Apr 14, 2010 6:13 AM

    The race thing may be b.s. But the media will not paint it that way. We live in an age where it’s all about perception, and not substance.

  77. LuvThatDirtyWatah says: Apr 14, 2010 6:22 AM

    You play the race card more than Al Sharpton, Florio.
    I don’t think the Steelers need to do anything to “reclaim their reputation“. …and I’m a Pats fan.

  78. last starfighter says: Apr 14, 2010 6:30 AM

    It’s not a tough decision. Not at all. Just because not enough evidence exists to convict doesn’t mean he didn’t commit a crime(s). I wonder if Goodell talked to the DA to find out how much evidence existed. Mike Vick had evidence and witnesses galore so that case more straight forward. If I’m the Rooneys I would really consider trading him today. Winning is not as important as knowing you are being represented (and employing) a bad guy who remains a threat to your community. They should be forced to put up one of those Megans Law fliers around all the Heinz field entrances warning the fans of the sexual predator that lurks inside.

  79. Newguy says: Apr 14, 2010 6:33 AM

    This Steeler fan would suspend him 4 games but allow him to reduce it to 2 games with community service. Something like 40 hours at a women or homeless shelter for each game reduced.

  80. SoFlor Steeler says: Apr 14, 2010 6:35 AM

    Good post Florio…
    i continue to believe that this is a very slippery slope…
    Ben is two things
    1. Accused
    2. A jerk
    If that is all it takes to get suspended then we will start seeing some real strange behavior in the future.
    Black players need to clean up their own backyard – guys like Antonio Cromartie are doing far more damage than Ben. I have yet to hear one black player speak out against irresponsible serial fathering…

  81. Clark says: Apr 14, 2010 6:37 AM

    Of course there are racial disparities, the last poster lives in a dream world. I am a Steelers fan thru and thru, and I am white but..um..Mr. Ocho Cinco is right. Despite the fact that Mr. Cinco has done nothing more than act like a jerk and not live up to his potential, if he were accused of rape once, a suspension would be assumed. Three times? Please! Let’s remember that despite the many right wing conservatives that believe in right-to-carry laws, none came to Plexico’s defense. Conservatives only seem to believe in PETA when it’s Micheal Vick violating their precepts. Ben should be suspended four games by the Steelers themselves. I hope that’s what they’ll do. If not the league needs to. Then the Steelers should trade him. Two of our Super Bowls are tainted and I’m embarrassed to root for them now.

  82. tt0074958 says: Apr 14, 2010 6:49 AM

    It seems to me that the NFL would be setting a dangerous precedent by suspending him. They would be saying that an accusation would be sufficient cause for suspension. Wouldn’t that make any player even more of a target?
    As for the Vick issue, he was only suspended for two games. How can you justify handing out one for the same length to a player who hasn’t been charged with anything, let alone sent to federal prison.
    …And no, I don’t see how you can count Vick’s time in prison as time served. It’s not like he would have been able to play had he not been suspended during that time.

  83. ArtModellsPimp says: Apr 14, 2010 6:50 AM

    Either castrate him or send him to the Rams.
    Not much difference…

  84. BBB82 says: Apr 14, 2010 6:56 AM

    “does anyone think that Roethlisberger is catching a break”
    Well he avoided criminal charges and has yet to have any suspension, so yeah I’d say he’s caught a break up to this point.

  85. Dave3258 says: Apr 14, 2010 7:00 AM

    While I dont condone Bens actions for a second , lets remember one key fact . He has never been charged with ANY crime . No charges of any kind , ever . When everyone wants to play the race card comparing this incident to the Pac Man Jones case and Michael Vick cases , there is no comparison . They were charged with crimes by law enforcement . Charges were brought and filed against them . Ben has never been charged with any crime ever . While there is no doubt , if being stupid was a crime , Ben would be on death row . The fact is , being stupid and using poor judgement is not a crime .

  86. darthokeefe says: Apr 14, 2010 7:01 AM

    Ben needs a fresh start trade him to Buffalo for Trent Edwards and a fifth rounder……No of course im not a Bills fan…what makes you say that

  87. BrownsClown says: Apr 14, 2010 7:04 AM

    Florio would be better off if he stuck to the facts! (This, of course, assumes that he knows the difference between fact and fantasy!)
    I would rather see a story on how the JETS are treating the paralysis in Braylon Edwards’ hands.

  88. DonTerrelli says: Apr 14, 2010 7:05 AM

    Why would he be suspended? He hasn’t been arrested, ticketed, or failed a drug test. Who cares what OchoCinco says, he’s a division rival. He’s always calling attention to himself and has never been suspended for it.

  89. highjak78 says: Apr 14, 2010 7:07 AM

    He needs to be made an example of – at the least he should get a 4 game suspension, and Goodell should come out and explain that,”This type of behavior, whether prosecuted or not, is UNACCEPTABLE.”

  90. late19832001 says: Apr 14, 2010 7:09 AM

    Im a steelers fan and im black but i dont feel there no racist at all with Big Ben…. I do feel that he needs to be suspended for atleast 2 games and if he gets in trouble again, then eithet trade or cut him…. Im tired of Ben getting himself in this situation…..

  91. ninerblitz says: Apr 14, 2010 7:13 AM

    I hate to say this because I think he’s innocent. But based on the conduct NFL policy. He needs to be made an example of. He needs to keep his sex life private and out of the public.
    Plus, there seems to be alot of heat around him the last 3 off seasons, and people will start believing, “where there is smoke, there is fire”.
    I am a person of color, I agree the racial talk is BS, but our country has had a long history of racial BS. It isn’t going anywhere soon. Because it only take a few idiots to cause a riot.
    The fact isn’t he allegedly raped someone, but the fact he was providing drinks for an underaged idiot. Shouldn’t you be dating movie stars, models , and or (at the very least) escorts?
    If I were the girl’s dad, I’d be pretty furious at everyone involved. It’s almost as bad as walking around LA with a stack of twenties around you neck for the world to see, while thinking “I have a right to do this”.
    =================================================
    Ben,
    Your a Superbowl starting QB, you should know better, you are held to the highest standard. He should be suspended a minimum for 2 games and fined $750.000 for conduct detrimental to the league.
    PS. Trust no beyotches (bizatchskis).
    =================================================

  92. downwithdansnyder says: Apr 14, 2010 7:15 AM

    Ocho cinco is a loudmouth WR and Big Ben is a Super Bowl winning QB, that’s the difference…not race.

  93. GirthyOne says: Apr 14, 2010 7:15 AM

    The media and fans are out of control.
    If Goodell continues to suspend players (ie Chris Henry) prior to an indictment, then he should be removed. If I was Ben and received a suspension for any of this, I would sue immediately.

  94. Tampabucks5 says: Apr 14, 2010 7:17 AM

    The NFL needs to suspend this guy there is no doubt about it. But LETS CUT THIS “RACIST” TALK OUT!!!! Seriously, there are so many more black players that white players in the NFL, you should expect that black people get suspended more often. By the way, Aqib Talib puched a cab driver in the face down here in Tampa and he didnt get SQUAT. He paid a civil penalty and case closed. Lets not blow things out of proportion and lets cut this “racist” nonsense out this is 2010 not 1965.

  95. silverback says: Apr 14, 2010 7:23 AM

    Here is the problem with a suspension. Not only was the man was never convicted of a crime, he was never even CHARGED!!!!
    Suspending Ben sets an awful precident. If a player is merely accused of something, he will have to be suspended going forward.
    It was bad enough when Goodell started suspending players for merely being charged with crimes, but now it trickles down to just being accused!??!
    What is to stop people from making more malicious claims against NFL players to merely see them suspended.
    The other issue here is if you suspend Ben for being accused merely because he’s white and you don’t want to look like there is a racial preferential treatment, you just penalized somebody unfairly because of the color of their skin. Is that not the definition of racism?
    If you want to suspend Ben for having premarital sex with numerous women, well you better go and suspend the rest of the league along with him.
    How would you feel if the rest of our country took the stance that anyone accused of a crime should be punished?

  96. Ollie says: Apr 14, 2010 7:26 AM

    I think the Steelers should suspend Ben for three games and see what Dennis Dixon can do. This would send a stong message to Ben and give Dennis some experience and show if he has the ability to be a future leader. Then we can see if Ben has learned his lesson. If he is not capable of changing his ways, then get rid of him.
    He has not been charged with anything, so he does deserve another chance to see if he can repair his image and gain back the respect of the people of Pittsburgh.

  97. rayray1284 says: Apr 14, 2010 7:28 AM

    ray lewis killed someone. was he suspended? hell no. but big ben should get suspended because his hair is unacceptable

  98. joe6606 says: Apr 14, 2010 7:30 AM

    I’ve been saying this since monday: goodell will NOT suspend him. It would set up a horrendous precident where anyone who is merely accused of crimes would have to be suspended, even if turn out to be completely fabricated.
    Very dangerous slippery slope that could be easily exploited. For example if I’m a patriot hater, I could accuse Tom brady of harrassment, or pay a hooker to do that, and he would have to be suspended.
    On the other hand, I’m pretty convinced that the steelers will suspend him., Their dumping of Santonio (which was complete BS) essentially forces them to suspend Ben or else Al Sharpton will be running his mouth claiming racisim

  99. BeerBarron says: Apr 14, 2010 7:33 AM

    Vegas has the over under at 2 game suspension..

  100. Patriotsfan says: Apr 14, 2010 7:36 AM

    He should be suspended for the season. Not just a couple of games Other players have been suspended for the season. But oh it is Ben I do not care who he is. He should be suspended for the season commis should stand by what was said before of you degrade the NFL you will be suspended and he did that He also degraded women.

  101. Trips Right, 68 Slant, D Slant says: Apr 14, 2010 7:37 AM

    “but the racist talk is BS.”
    “The race thing may be b.s. But….”
    “Who cares what OchoCinco says, he’s a division rival….”
    “Ocho cinco is a loudmouth WR and Big Ben is a Super Bowl winning QB, that’s the difference…not race.”
    This is precisely why we will NEVER evolve as a civilized people. We are profoundly, primitively, and perpetually stuck in the past. Accordingly, we continue to dangerously bathe in the rivers of DENIAL.
    ‘NATION!!

  102. naskar says: Apr 14, 2010 7:40 AM

    “For starters, does anyone think that Roethlisberger is catching a break? Unless it’s now regarded as a good thing to be constantly ridiculed and scrutinized and openly held in contempt, it’s hard to characterize any aspect of the past several weeks as anything other than a heaping helping of comeuppance.”
    florio, you’re such a homer…of course roethlisidiot caught a break, he has been accused of serious transgressions and has avoided being charged, the guy is an idiot….

  103. Terry says: Apr 14, 2010 7:41 AM

    “it makes far more sense for the Steelers and not the league to punish Roethlisberger”
    The problem with “team discipline” is that under the CBA the player has the right to a hearing before an “independent arbitrator” which i believe the team would lose. With discipline by the “Comish”appellant process goes back to the Comish, or in other words no appeal at all.

  104. bobhoo says: Apr 14, 2010 7:47 AM

    I love what the Steelers are going through. All the crap they talked, when the Cowboys had the bad apples. How’s it feel? What a bunch of turds. On another issue, It’s amazing what happens to a team when they win a SB. The organization starts looking the other way(money). The turds float to the top, can’t wait to see how many Saint’s float up.

  105. Phokus says: Apr 14, 2010 7:55 AM

    Completely spot on Florio. The idiots commenting in here probably think black people get the same treatment from the police that white people get under the same circumstances (rather than racially profiled/beat up/killed in an unjustified manner)

  106. Spoonthis says: Apr 14, 2010 7:57 AM

    @Clark
    “Mr. Cinco has done nothing more than act like a jerk and not live up to his potential, if he were accused of rape once, a suspension would be assumed. Three times? Please!”
    Please show me the 3 rape accusations!!! Please show me more than one. There has only been one rape accusation and criminal charges have never been filed you dumb ass, only civil charges from some psycotic bitch that needs some money, so please stop spewing bullshit.
    Didn’t you read that the third one, oh let’s call it a situation at this point because accusation doesn’t really fit, he had a woman invited into a VIP lounge.
    “Mr. Manion did not mean to express or imply that he has any information that Mr. Roethlisberger engaged in any illegal behavior.”
    “I was retained by a family. It went nowhere. I have no specifics. All I know is it involved an evening with Ben Roethlisberger, and I never got any of the details. I offered it [on the radio show] only because it was such a similar situation — a young woman at a nightclub asked, invited into a VIP area.”
    Oh my God, crucify the man. Line up the firing quad. Behead the man. Inviting a woman into a VIP lounge, that’s unheard of. I’m sure no other athlete / celebrity has ever done that before. What the hell was he thinking.
    I am not saying that Ben is great guy by any means but this shit is going too far. Just because you hear / read something you believe it. This term “serial rapist” is going way over board. Show me 2 rape accusations.
    Silence…………? That’s what I thought.
    Ben does look like he has been eating too much cereal though.

  107. DonTerrelli says: Apr 14, 2010 8:11 AM

    No suspension, $500k fine like Belicheck

  108. yazman of steel says: Apr 14, 2010 8:13 AM

    I would not want any of you people sitting on my jury. This will be the first suspension in NFL history by a team or the NFL for someone who has never broken any known team rule or any law. Anyone can sue anyone for anything and that does not equate to culpability. Anyone can accuse someone of a crime and that does not equate guilt. I know someone you people are just saying this stuff to be annoying…but seriously people, would you want you job to put you one the street for a month without pay for the same thing that is happening to Ben. You’d be screaming how unfair it is.

  109. Didier says: Apr 14, 2010 8:13 AM

    There’s nothing “tough” about this decision.
    For conduct unbecoming, he’ll get a 2-game suspension, which is fair.
    And, for those who think 2 games is too much, remember, the DA essentially stated that Ben’s conduct was reprehensible, but could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
    Apparently, the girl was so intoxicated that she cannot clearly say what happened.
    Now, if that’s your daughter or sister, and Ben took advantage or tried to take advantage of her inebriated state, do you think a 2-game suspension as his only punishment is too much?
    I think not.

  110. LL Live says: Apr 14, 2010 8:16 AM

    Sexual Assault…a violent crime against women…to have been accused/investigated/sued twice…the league wants more women to watch…if current and potential women fans of the NFL feel like the league looks the other way on this while suspending players over relatively minor run-ins with the law (Dante and Vegas Pacman excluded), they could lose much of the marketing ground they gained…the ever present football player rapist I think the song goes…just sayin’

  111. internettoughguy says: Apr 14, 2010 8:21 AM

    People always are charged and found guilty of crimes when they commit them.
    No one has ever avoided a charge, paid for someones silence, or been found innocent of a crime they actually committed.
    The fact that Ben was not charge in either of these cases guarantees he never did these vile things you haters speak of.
    Man, that does read as dumb as some of the Ben supporters posts on this thread.
    Just wanted to make sure I wsn’t judging too harshly……….

  112. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Apr 14, 2010 8:21 AM

    I agree with the Ocho, and with the comments about him being right without it being about race.
    Roethlisberger is the face of one of the most popular organizations in sports, and until the Nevada thing, he looked pretty clean cut.
    The Ocho, while I disagree that he hasn’t lived up to his potential, has definitely been portrayed in a negative way, fairly or not.
    Despite the fact that Ochocinco hasn’t even been accused of a crime in his NFL career, he would have been treated differently.
    Lastly, was there a reference to the AFC Central? Welcome to 2010.

  113. Verbal Kint says: Apr 14, 2010 8:23 AM

    This thread has so much unintentional hilarity, I can’t stop laughing. Tears. seriously.

  114. TheDPR says: Apr 14, 2010 8:33 AM

    Why should an arrest or conviction be necessary or even have anything to do with what the league decides? The police and courts handle things for the public, the commissioner handles things for the league; the two have no reason for being related.
    Do you think a judge would base his sentence on whether the league punished a guy and how much? Why should the commissioner be bound by the police and courts?

  115. thelongstar says: Apr 14, 2010 8:35 AM

    While I agree with most of the rest of you that Benny should have to grab some wood (and not his own for a change), and while I also agree that there may seem to be a double standard, I think many of you need to get your facts straight.
    1. Matt Jones received a 3-game suspension and was eventually cut from his team.
    2. Pacman Jones WAS charged in 2005 for felony assault and vandalism. The year he was drafted. Also in 2005, he violated the terms of his probation. In 2006 he was charged with possession of marijuana AND went on record to say he knew how to beat the drug test. Later in 2006, he was arrested and charged for disorderly conduct and public intoxication. More probation. Again in 2006, Jones spit in the face of a TSU student at a night club. And, then of course, there is the whole making it rain thing.
    3. The infractions committed by white and African American players are different. Unfortunately, the laws that many of these African American players like to break revolve around guns, beating up women, or just beating up people in general. It’s a fact. Look it up.
    4. Leonard Little killed someone with his vehicle and he wasn’t suspended.
    So, before you begin jumping on the “everyone hates black people even though the majority of the league is black” bandwagon, get your facts straight. The fact of the matter is, Ben is a douche and he likes tail. And, as we all know, if you are a douche, women have a tendency to turn on you. So while his behavior has been questionable, it has not been illegal per se. Stupidity isn’t illegal.

  116. lemmyk73 says: Apr 14, 2010 8:40 AM

    Florio- you’ve been wrong about the Roethlisberger case from the get go. Give it a rest already and stop speculating. You are like Fox news or Olbermann now- just spouting anything to fill up space- and most of what you spew is BS. Ben is a moron and quite possibly guilty but since no charges are filed and no crime has been proven—- there is no justification for suspension other than to give the hungry mob what they want. Florio, you should be ashamed of yourself and stop acting like Keith Olbermann.

  117. Mean D says: Apr 14, 2010 8:41 AM

    Florio is a screaming liberal racist hustler. He has to be now that he has sold his soul to the far left (and failing) NBC.

  118. monger says: Apr 14, 2010 8:41 AM

    1. He’s white.
    2. He plays for the Steelers.
    3. Not only does he play for the Steelers, he’s the face of the franchise.
    Therefore, his punishment will be that he’s not allowed to attend voluntary offseason workouts.

  119. rustejuxx says: Apr 14, 2010 8:44 AM

    The NFL will probably suspend the Steelers QB because he has shown a pattern of misconduct. It has nothing to do with race. Pacman showed a pattern and he was suspended.

  120. VaBthang4 says: Apr 14, 2010 8:45 AM

    Florio: “For starters, does anyone think that Roethlisberger is catching a break?”
    My response: Hell yes. If this was a black dude (with multiple accusations), using off duty cops to block the door while he raped hos in the restroom…the rage and calls for suspension would’ve been instant.
    He needs a friggin season long suspension.
    Besides, he sucks anyway.
    (FYI: I’m lilly-white)

  121. tryagain says: Apr 14, 2010 8:47 AM

    SixBurgh says:
    April 14, 2010 12:39 AM
    Yo the punishment for Black and White players has always been unfair…Matt Jones was caught in his car cutting up cocaine and NOTHING happend to him…
    Ummm, Matt was suspended for 3 games- not really sure how that calculates to NOTHING but then again you are a Steelers fan….

  122. cbatchel says: Apr 14, 2010 8:47 AM

    Can you suspend somebody for being a scumbag and bringing bad press on himself and the NFL?
    Well if you can then yes he should be suspended.
    2 games would be my guess if it happens.

  123. enders says: Apr 14, 2010 8:54 AM

    Florio, way to leave out the part where Chad say he wasn’t talking about race.

  124. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 14, 2010 9:03 AM

    I don’t really care what they do to Roethlisberger, since no matter what, it will only be a temporary thing.
    I do however hope that the anger, rage, hostility and pain that’s consuming all of the haters will continue to be felt for decades.

  125. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 14, 2010 9:06 AM

    Poo Flinging Monkey says: April 14, 2010 12:42 AM
    “Eight to 16 games seems about right for this kind of crime.”
    What crime?

  126. JCompton says: Apr 14, 2010 9:07 AM

    Goodell has suspended plenty of players without them being convicted so this should be no different. Pacman, Odell Thurman, and im pretty sure Chris Henry was suspended once or twice and never convicted for what he was suspended for. It has to do with player status not race. Look at Marvin Harrison, he was accused of shooting someone and it was brushed under the rug like it never happend. I think Ben needs to be suspended for 4 games. Convicted or not, look at Goodells past suspentions, it never mattered then.

  127. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 14, 2010 9:09 AM

    Raider Pride says: April 14, 2010 12:56 AM
    “I have more respect for a murder than I do of a rapist.”
    Respect for a murderer?
    Must be a street cred thing then huh?
    Idiot.

  128. Outlaw Jersey Whales says: Apr 14, 2010 9:12 AM

    “League faces a tough decision on Roethlisberger”
    ————————————————–
    (Goodell ruminates)
    “Boiled in oil? Drawn and quartered? Beheading (block or guillotine)? Stoning? Pressing? Dunking chair?”
    “Hmmm… maybe too old fashioned…”
    “Hanging? Electric chair? Firing squad? Lethal injection?”
    “What destructive device am I missing?”
    “Outlaw Jersey Whales wife’s meatloaf?”
    “Nah, that pesky 8th Amendment would get in the way!”

  129. .Vox Veritas. says: Apr 14, 2010 9:13 AM

    “I would not want any of you people sitting on my jury. This will be the first suspension in NFL history by a team or the NFL for someone who has never broken any known team rule or any law.”
    Ahhh no. Ever heard of Wade Wilson? He was suspended 5 games for basically nothing.

  130. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 14, 2010 9:14 AM

    What’s really funny here, is that from reading through these posts, the severity of the punishments being recommended here are directly proportional to whether or not the posters teams’ play in the same division as the Steelers.
    / Hypocrites.
    LMMFAO

  131. Go Getter says: Apr 14, 2010 9:15 AM

    Don’t be surprised to see Leftwich sign back with the Steelers within the next week or two…….

  132. Little Tommy says: Apr 14, 2010 9:26 AM

    Don’t get me wrong, I think the guy’s a pig but what happened to the presumption of innocence?
    I thought in this land you were innocent until proven guilty.

  133. Annuvin says: Apr 14, 2010 9:30 AM

    Pacman was never charged with anything or convicted.
    ***************
    Bullshit. This assclown has a litany of criminal offenses he has been charged and/or convicted for.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jones_(American_football)#Legal_troubles
    Some of you really need to take your head out of your ass before posting your nonsense on this site. There is no comparison between Ben and the likes of Dawgkilla and Pacman. You people are just wishing he’ll get crucified so y’all have a better chance of seeing your mediocre teams have a chance this season.
    GO PACK!!!

  134. myspaceyourface says: Apr 14, 2010 9:30 AM

    It is a shame that all people see is the color of a mans skin. . .
    They can’t get past it. . . They are stuck on it. . .Obsessed.
    Ray Lewis, Kobe Bryant, O.J. Simpson, Joey Porter.
    Ben & Kobe is probably the fairest comparison. . .

  135. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 14, 2010 9:30 AM

    Deb says: April 14, 2010 3:14 AM
    “If he is suspended, it will be the first time the NFL has suspended a player solely for being an unpopular egomaniacal jackass. And it will be because he is white. Isn’t that the definition of racism?”
    All other posts in this thread should be removed, ..and the thread closed.

  136. tritan306 says: Apr 14, 2010 9:31 AM

    @steeelfann:He did something none of them did… put himself in the bad situation TWICE.
    Also that hair was a crime in itself.
    steeelfann says: “He has not paralyzed anyone.
    He has not waked and baked.
    He has not murdered anyone.
    He has not run anyone over in car after hooch and maryjane.
    He has not beat anyone up
    What has Ben done after all speculation and liberal media make-believe subsides? What?”

  137. tuna says: Apr 14, 2010 9:33 AM

    Big ben should be thankfull that he didn’t get busted for star caps or the supreme court would be involved!

  138. bluestree says: Apr 14, 2010 9:33 AM

    VonClausewitz; “By the criteria that he’s done something in such bad taste that he deserves punishment, no he hasn’t. To feign surprise that a young pro athlete would hook up with young women in clubs is laughable. These things happen. See the earlier point about the league staying out of the bedroom.”
    ——————————————-
    If he had just “hooked up” and brought this girl home there would be no problems, and no accusations. No one is concerned about what happens in his bedroom. Whatever happened, it was in a public bathroom. That is more than just in bad taste, technically public sex is illegal. the team has every right, and really a duty, to suspend him for conduct detrimental. Just for the damage he’s done to the Steeler brand. Nothing else is needed.

  139. myspaceyourface says: Apr 14, 2010 9:35 AM

    Pacman, Vick, Holmes, are walking wrap sheets. Chris Henry was until he decided to jump out of the back of a moving pickup truck.

  140. SoFlor Steeler says: Apr 14, 2010 9:36 AM

    VaBthanga4…
    So if I can identify other players who had sex with women in a restroom they should all be suspended?
    Is that what you really want to happen…
    The girl entered the bathroom on her own – yes she was drunk – but nobody forced her to go into a men’s room with a football player…
    It will a be a very small league I suspect if you have your way…

  141. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 14, 2010 9:39 AM

    Child_Please! says: April 14, 2010 5:25 AM
    “Time for Deb to come and defend her man. Please oh great wise one, go on your filibuster and inform us all on the “facts” regarding the man you dream of ending up in a bathroom stall wit”
    ..And instead of rebutting her lucid, coherent, logical observations with intelligence, you resort to moronic bathroom jokes instead .
    I wouldn’t have expected much more coming out of Cincinnati, but you never know, there’s always a first time.

  142. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 14, 2010 9:44 AM

    Child_Please! says: April 14, 2010 5:25 AM
    “Time for Deb to come and defend her man. Please oh great wise one, go on your filibuster and inform us all on the “facts” regarding the man you dream of ending up in a bathroom stall wit”
    ..And instead of rebutting her lucid, coherent, logical observations with intelligence, you resort to moronic bathroom jokes instead .
    I wouldn’t have expected much more coming out of Cincinnati, but you never know, there’s always a first time.

  143. BuckFigBen says: Apr 14, 2010 9:44 AM

    Soooooooooooo tired of hearing about this mystery integrity the Steelers have/had. When was this? Just because the hillbilly’s in Pittsburgh keep saying it, doesn’t make it true. They draft thugs, employ thugs and support thugs.

  144. JimmySmith says: Apr 14, 2010 9:49 AM

    Its sad to read the Fixsburgh Steeler fan’s comments defending Ben; mostly based on the fact that there are no charges.
    If they take their collective heads out of their asses, they would see disgusting behavior that should have resulted in jail time if it weren’t for the money changing hands.
    Much like the Patriots, this franchise is doomed unless they do the right thing and get rid of the criminals, employing them is doing you no good. Trade his sorry ass to Oakland and move on.

  145. HamBurghlar says: Apr 14, 2010 9:54 AM

    Look dumbasses, for the 358th time, he was not CHARGED, let alone GUILTY of any crime. Thats not grounds for anything and will set a ridiculous precedent for further issues in the NFL. That being said, I’m a Steeler fan, and what he IS guilty of is being a douchebag and in horrible public situations. I do think the Steelers orginization themselves need to have something done (which will probably piggyback the Goodell ruling) but no more than 2-3 games and a fine and maybe some community service to a womens shelter or something. But again, he’s only guilty of putting himself in craptastic situations and he needs to be shown some kind of punishment.

  146. SteelTown-6 says: Apr 14, 2010 9:56 AM

    # .Vox Veritas. says: April 14, 2010 9:13 AM
    “Ahhh no. Ever heard of Wade Wilson? He was suspended 5 games for basically nothing.”
    Nothing?
    You mean THIS Wade Wilson?
    (Vox is wrong again – can you imagine?)
    ———-
    NFL | W. Wilson admits to receiving HGH
    Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:00:18 -0700
    Gary Myers and T.J. Quinn, of the New York Daily News, reports former Chicago Bears assistant coach Wade Wilson admitted to league officials to receiving illegal performance enhancing drugs as part of an Internet drug scam. Wilson admitted to receiving human growth hormone and anabolic steroids while coaching with the Bears. Wilson faces a yet-to-be-announced punishment.
    ———-
    Cowboys | Wilson suspended for five games
    Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:47:31 -0700
    The Dallas Cowboys announced assistant coach Wade Wilson has been notified that he is suspended for the team’s first five regular-season games and fined $100,000 for violating the NFL policy on performance enhancing drugs, according to an NFL spokesperson. Wilson has acknowledged purchasing and using such prohibited substances. Evidence supports his statements that he used the substances for personal use only, did not distribute the substances to other people, and has stopped using those substances. He is eligible to be reinstated Oct. 9.
    ———-
    Cowboys | Wilson explains why he took banned substances
    Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:54:26 -0700
    Gary Jacobson, of the Dallas Morning News, reports Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson said he took several banned substances because he was battling impotence.
    ———-
    Oh… Battling impotence. That explains why Vox thinks it’s “nothing”.

  147. BigBear123 says: Apr 14, 2010 10:04 AM

    No conviction no crime.

  148. jlbay says: Apr 14, 2010 10:06 AM

    Look I am not a huge Roethlisberger or Steelers fan . . . but the facts are B.R. wasn’t even arrested for either of the events in question. People are posting that he was charged, let alone convicted . . . but in neither case was he even arrested or taken into custody for questioning. In the most recent event in GA he was questioned at the scene, but that is normal and common police procedure.
    As for the comments regarding a pending litigation, that is a civil lawsuit . . . anyone can bring a civil lawsuit against any other person for whatever reason . . . it is absolutely proof of nothing.
    As for the inconsistent language between the “Standards of Conduct” and “Discipline” portions of the Personal Conduct Policy . . . well those parts can be different, as the first describes the general expectations of the players conduct . . . while the latter specific describes punishable offenses . . . of course there are differences . . . one is setting expectation the other is outline where the line is crossed.
    Unfortunately B.R. has not yet crossed a line . . . he has come very close and if the GA accuser had actually stuck to her story and been willing to push the issue . . . well then an open-ended suspension would have been appropriate . . . similar to when Vick was charged . . . but absent an arrest I don’t see how the league could get away with a suspension . . . the team on the other hand easily could suspend him under the conduct detrimental to the team rule.

  149. wyoff says: Apr 14, 2010 10:07 AM

    Ben won’t “catch a break” because he’s white. If anything, he’s going to get crucified becuase he’s white. Black people and players want him punished, facts be damned.

  150. BigBear123 says: Apr 14, 2010 10:07 AM

    Scrutiny OJ faced was enough too right?

  151. StevieMo says: Apr 14, 2010 10:11 AM

    He should get a four game suspension for the haircut alone.

  152. SteelTown-6 says: Apr 14, 2010 10:19 AM

    BuckFigBen says: April 14, 2010 9:44 AM
    ” Just because the hillbilly’s in Pittsburgh keep saying it, doesn’t make it true. ”
    Yet, in the same breath, you think that if you keep repeating that’s he’s guilty, that somehow does make it true?
    Hilarious. Your pain I mean.
    LMAO

  153. HamBurghlar says: Apr 14, 2010 10:19 AM

    @JimmySmith: shhhh…. the stupid in that statement you just posted is giving me a headache.
    Yes he put himself in bad situations, but the justice system is pretty on point. Look at the evidence and you’ll see that it was the battle of “he said she said”. Case closed, move on.

  154. tryagain says: Apr 14, 2010 10:20 AM

    Florios’Lawyer says: All other posts in this thread should be removed, ..and the thread closed.
    And that would be fine and dandy if this were a Steeler’s message board or blog but unfortunately for you that is not the case. If that’s what you want, perhaps you should seek solace elsewhere.

  155. tombrookshire says: Apr 14, 2010 10:24 AM

    This is tough for the league only by who he is and that he plays for the all powerful Rooneys. Those are complicating factors, alright. Taken on face value, the same standards should apply to all players, but rarely do. The NFL is a microcosm of American society. We all know that a different set of rules apply to star athletes, politicians, corporate chieftains and celebrities than to average citizens. They are treated with deference because they are made out to be U.S. royals by the media. And on the rare occassion that one of them is unable to buy his way out of trouble, the whole country collectively gasps in shock that a royal is being treated like a regular guy. As notorious a guy as Mike Vick is, he got out of jail and resumed his millionaire celebrity lifestyle and football career without missing a beat. As if he were entitled to do so. Americans love these people and hate them at the same time. Amazing isn’t it, that right here in these comments, about 1/3 of the comments are things like: he was never charged, other people do it too, the girl was a slut……blah, blah, blah, without thinking one time about whether what BR did was wrong and that he hasn’t yet learned why that was wrong, and needs to made painfully aware of why it is wrong. That decision would be easy for me to make. I’m not wearing rose colored Versace glasses.

  156. C.Bass says: Apr 14, 2010 10:27 AM

    Hey haters: WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!
    Suspend for what? You have to assume innocence with the DA’s verdict so what exactly are you suspending him for? Going to a bar? PAcMAn was at the scene of a SHOOTING.
    Suspend Ben for the first half of the Cleveland Clowns game. The Steelers have won the last 26 of 32 v. CLE so it won’t make a difference.

  157. Occam says: Apr 14, 2010 10:27 AM

    “If he is suspended, it will be the first time the NFL has suspended a player solely for being an unpopular egomaniacal jackass.”
    Wouldn’t the league be suspending him for being an unpopular, egomaniacal jackass who has repeatedly put himself in absurdly foolish situations which could (and should) have been easily avoided that have egregiously tarnished the image of the league and one of it’s star players? Technically.

  158. tombrookshire says: Apr 14, 2010 10:35 AM

    Mike, as an attorney, you are all about appearances, what things look like to the outside world, and all the implications of not appearing to take action. Regardless of whether or not criminal charges are filed, if an employee behaves in such a manner as to reflect poorly on his employer, whether on the job or off, the employer has a right to take action independent of the law to remediate the situation, including sanctions and termination if warranted. If an employee is arrested for rape and is jailed, the employer certainly has the right to terminate that employee’s employment for a myriad of reasons. This is no special case, if there are clearly stated policies banning certain behavior, it is the employer’s right and duty to enforce it’s own policies.

  159. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 14, 2010 10:36 AM

    tryagain says: April 14, 2010 10:20 AM
    “Florios’Lawyer says: All other posts in this thread should be removed, ..and the thread closed.
    And that would be fine and dandy if this were a Steeler’s message board or blog but unfortunately for you that is not the case. If that’s what you want, perhaps you should seek solace elsewhere.”
    I feel your pain, and I’m loving it.

  160. RedOokies says: Apr 14, 2010 10:36 AM

    The bottom line is that no one thinks that what he did is bad enough to prevent him from making 100m or so playing a game over the next 10 years, which means what he did was fine.
    The same goes for the Steelers, every time he puts on that uniform they will say what they did was fine.
    How many single guys out there are worried about this happening to them TWICE? Is there a reason this hasn’t happened to any other football players?

  161. anothersteelerfan1 says: Apr 14, 2010 10:41 AM

    I will agree that I don’t believe it’s a racial thing, but let’s not just think that it’s 2010 and everything is fine and dandy. I don’t think Florio is trying to start up any trouble, I believe he is just stating his opinion that race will become an issue and I believe he is correct. It’s no getting around it. In some parts of our country race still plays a big role in certain things. I hate that it is this way, but it is. It’s a terribly divisive issue that we will have to deal with for a while. I agree with points on both sides of the aisle.

  162. tryagain says: Apr 14, 2010 10:55 AM

    Florios’Lawyer says: I feel your pain, and I’m loving it.
    I’m not a Steeler fan, thus no pain for me, double thus nothing for you to love. You might be as dumb as your QB- hard to believe, but anything is possible.

  163. Outlaw Jersey Whales says: Apr 14, 2010 11:15 AM

    “And this speaks to the unfortunate but unavoidable racial distinctions at issue here. Many have raised the perception that Roethlisberger will catch a break because he’s white.”
    ————————————————–
    Why is it that Roethlisberger only assaults white coeds?

  164. CT Stiller says: Apr 14, 2010 11:22 AM

    RedOokies says:
    “Is there a reason this hasn’t happened to any other football players?”
    Is that a serious question? You may want to cease all further contributions to the comments.

  165. Raiders757 says: Apr 14, 2010 11:27 AM

    Playoffs?! says: April 14, 2010 12:39 AM
    If he doesn’t get suspended, all hell will break loose. It will scream ‘Double standard” to a degree. Honestly, he should get at least 2 to 4 games
    —————————————————
    Give me a break. Double standard my rear end. Ben wasn’t found guilty or even charged with anything. You can’t suspend a guy on morals alone. If that was the case, almost every player in the NFL should be suspended for one thing or another.
    I think the Steelers have a right to deal with this issue in any way they see fit, but the league should keep their nose out of it. Unless charged with a crime and found guilty, there is no reason to do anything at all. People crying foul and double standard are just stirring the racist pot which does nobody any good in the end.

  166. edgy1957 says: Apr 14, 2010 11:33 AM

    A lof of you like to speak for the players but I think that Bruschi said it the best: Big Ben put a stain in the Steelers and NFL logos (Frankly, I don’t he could have done any worse than if he had gone to mid field and dropped his drawers and laid a turd or two on them). Tedy’s comments were stronger than what I’ve conveyed and there’s no doubt that the guys in the locker room have more to say and it’s no where near what some of you have been trying to say. They’re NOT debating the finer points of whether he was arrested or not, they’re talking about the embarrassment that he brought to the organization and unwanted media coverage that they have to put up with day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day. I also don’t think that they would take too kindly to it if he gets little or nothing as punishment.
    Here’s a little ESPN video, where Wiley addresses the elephant in the room:
    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5079563&categoryid=2459789

  167. The Real Shuxion says: Apr 14, 2010 12:19 PM

    DanRooney says:
    April 14, 2010 1:21 AM
    Peyton Manning touches boys.
    You think my statement enough evidence to get him suspended for 4 games?
    ————————————————-
    Are all Pittsburgh fans this stupid………nevermind I already know the answer.
    (Except Steeler4life, he rules!!!!)

  168. Spoonthis says: Apr 14, 2010 12:28 PM

    @razic
    Are you serious?
    “rapistburger needs to be removed from the NFL. the NFL is about wholesome family goodness which is entirely contrary to raping women. he has been accused TWICE. not once but TWICE for rape.”
    The NFL is about $$$$$$$$$$$$MONEY$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Wholesome family goodness, wow how funny. How many beer commercials do you see during an NFL broadcast? How many stadiums have beer advertisers’ signs hanging in them? How many allow tailgaiting (long pregame beer drinking sessions) in their stadium parking lots? Wholesome family goodness, you’re killing me here.
    Please explain to me the two rape accusations. I have only heard of one so far and that one has pretty much been disproven. That chick in Nevada never filed criminal charges. So that would be one rape accusation with no facts, one sexual assault accusation that was dismissed and now some lawyer has accused Ben of inviting a 26 year old female into a VIP lounge.

  169. jude says: Apr 14, 2010 1:18 PM

    I’m sorry Mr. Florio but you are dead wrong and a bit of a PollyAnna. Words don’t mean diddley to highly paid people and their flunkies. These people are engaging in the behavior they engage in because they think they are entitled and if something goes wrong someone will cover because they have something others want. They are not getting any come-uppence from words or being embarrassed! In order to experience those things one must possess a sense of decency and the capacity for shame. Big Ben possess neither as demonstrated by his behavior. Here’s what works for these kinds of people-swift, severe punishment coupled with criticism in no uncertain terms period. The league should suspend him not because he did wrong but because he has called into question the integrity and good name of his profession. The appearance of impropriety is the only standard Goddell should be considering. That is the standard the league should be applying….

  170. jftreshj76 says: Apr 14, 2010 1:24 PM

    Goodell CAN”T suspend Ben unless he wants a major law suit. First of all the Personal Conduct Policy refers to “violent and/or criminal” behavior. Ben has never been charged nor arrested for ANYTHING…..EVER. All of the previously players (14) suspended under this policy (i.e., Vick, Tank , Pacman Henry, etc. were criminally charged……bare minimum. Ben has not, nor can he be, proven to have anything wrong. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees ALL americans certain civil liberties. One of which is that an individual is to be assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. To be suspended by Goodell, Goodell would be placing the NFL and the NFL commissioner above the U.S Constitution. They could not possibly win a lawsuit in any US court where the judge’s primary duty is to uphold the Constitution. The NFL (and Goodell) could be sued for millions for slander, libel, defamation of character, and finally “restriction of trade” under the Sherman Act (Article 1).

  171. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 1:32 PM

    gopherb24 says:
    Props to Ochocinco for his comment. I’m not a fan of the race card, but the fact of the matter is that many African-Americans in the NFL have been suspended by Goodell before their case even begins.
    ——————————————-
    Name them. Name the African American players who’ve been suspended by Goodell with NO arrests and NO violations of the sustance abuse policy.

  172. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 1:37 PM

    @VoxVeritas …
    Wade Wilson was suspended for violating league policy on performance-enhancing drugs. You may not agree with the decision, but the situations are not comparable … and you know it.
    Roethlisberger has never been arrested, never been taken to a police station for questioning, never violated his team’s disciplinary policy, never failed a drug test, never received a league fine or warning for any behavioral issue (unlike Ochocinco). If he’s suspended, it will be the first time a player has ever been suspended for being a jackass and for being white.

  173. urworstnitemare says: Apr 14, 2010 1:53 PM

    jftreshj76 , I agree with you. They start suspending and violating individuals rights for accusations only and they are opening a can of worms they should stay away from.
    Also someone wants a player like Brady or Manning off a team so that their team gets in the playoffs and gets someone to cry wolf and make false allegations just to get that person suspended knowing it can be done without proof or criminal charges.
    If he was charged and found guilty then he should suffer through the league and court system, but not just by someones allegations.

  174. jude says: Apr 14, 2010 1:57 PM

    …. And one other thing for all of you whining about lack of convictions ets., The Conduct Policy is a morals policy-that was the whole point!!! Like it or not the NFL wants a good reputation and they have chosen that as a mechanism of enforcement. If Ben wants to challenge it nothing will stop that but the interpretation most likely to be rendered is whether or not he has tarnished the good name of his team and the league. Goddell has made clear that is the standard he is using so this is really a non-issue. Suspension by the league is the only option. Additionally, the Steelers should suspend him for making them look like the new millennium Raiders….

  175. Bite-me-Florio says: Apr 14, 2010 1:57 PM

    White guy vs Black guy joke. mullet joke. Panthers win it all.

  176. Beth says: Apr 14, 2010 2:28 PM

    Just to be clear, the Personal Conduct Policy is not vague–players can be punished regardless of an arrest or conviction. In fact, they can even be punished for legal conduct that is detrimental to the league. The current Policy states, “It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is repsonsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime.” Further, the NFL player contract states “the Commissioner will have the right . . . to fine . . . to suspend . . . and/or to terminate this contract” if the player is “guilty of any . . . form of conduct reasonably judged by the League Commissioner to be detrimental to the League or professional football.” Civil liberty issues are irrelevant not only due to these contractual stipulations (to which the players have agreed), but also because the NFL is a private employer–it is a privilege to be employed by the NFL, not a right. Roethlisberger will be punished, as he should be.

  177. ForrestGump says: Apr 14, 2010 2:45 PM

    # jude says: April 14, 2010 1:57 PM
    “Suspension by the league is the only option. Additionally, the Steelers should suspend him…”
    You want both the league AND the Steelers to suspend him?

  178. bobhoo says: Apr 14, 2010 3:08 PM

    Cut Bait………

  179. funi says: Apr 14, 2010 3:08 PM

    I guess if Ocho stinko don’t win dancing with the stars, it will be racism also! Hey Stinko win a playoff game then talk..ya bum! Ben was never charged these other were charged!

  180. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 3:21 PM

    @Beth …
    I agree that the Steelers should deal with Ben’s behavior. But the league has no cause to punish.
    He got into a motorcycle accident while obeying the rules of the road and was cited only for having an expired learner’s permit.
    He is a single man who had sex with an older woman in a private hotel room in Nevada. Based on her account, no alcohol was involved. Based on her text messages, e-mails, and the affidavits of her friends, the sex was consensual.
    According to the Georgia DA, his accuser first said she was not raped and was not even sure she’d had sex. The rape kit produced no evidence of intercourse. He said according to witness accounts, the pair had been engaged in highly sexualized behavior all evening that was definitely a two-way street and he refused to provide the salacious details. He said the bodyguard did not block the bathroom, and they were only back there for 10 minutes. He said there was plenty of blame to go around and Ben needs to grow up.
    NO player has been suspended by the NFL for being an unlikeable jerk who has never been warned, fined, disciplined, arrested, or failed a drug test. Ochocinco has had more prior disciplinary action than Roethlisberger.

  181. edgy1957 says: Apr 14, 2010 3:43 PM

    It’s time for people to stop with their “Ben never got charged” bull. He’s even more of an embarrassment to this league than Pacman Jones because of his status. He “Aw, shucks” himself into the hearts of the locals and everyone takes him to heart and in 4 years, he’s proven that he no more cares for the locals and the team than Michael Vick cares for dogs. That may seem like a harsh statement but if he really gave a damn, he’d have stopped all of this after his last incident. Three apologizes and NOT ONE of them rings sincere to me (I almost expected to hear him say “I did not have relations with that girl” during his press conference).
    Whether he’s guilty or NOT, he needs to be suspended to show him that he’s not above the rest of the league or even the team and he needs to think twice before he does something stupid again.
    BTW, I would like to add that after Philly suspended TO, the haters came out of the woodwork and said that the team had a perfect right to suspend him because of how his conduct was affecting the team and yet, I’d be willing to bet that many of those same people are here saying the opposite about Ben (At least 3 people (Not on PFT) that I’ve known for years that are in that categor). Seriously, what did TO get arrested for when Philly suspended him….

  182. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 3:59 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    The league didn’t suspend TO. The Eagles suspended TO for a violating team discipline. The league has no cause to suspend Roethlisberger, but the Steelers can take action and I’d like it to be something creative with the potential to impact his character. This is my suggestion:
    Make him clean the toilets at Heinz Field every day for the rest of the off season. It would be humbling, which seems to be the thing he needs most. He’d probably be too busy from practice and cleaning to go out at night. And it would remind him that cavorting in bathrooms is a stupid pasttime.
    Then he should be forced to participate in community service on behalf of the team.

  183. .RebaT says: Apr 14, 2010 4:04 PM

    Ben needs to be suspended for at least 6 games and a HEFTY monetary fine. The DA in his press conference did NOT give Ben a free and clear pass. He flat out said something happened in that bathroom. He also scolded Ben BIG time!
    Goodell knows that if something isn’t done to Ben for these issues, then he’s going to have his own credibility problems. Ben will NOT contest anything at this point. He will take it and walk away. You really think he wants or will allow the union to protest to any actions against him? Do you really? NOT. He just wants all this to go away ASAP. Contesting things now only keep his name even more in the mud and I am sure Art Rooney’s ears will steam even more than they are today.
    Ben is an egomanical idiot. Maybe now he will realize he’s not as special as he thinks he is and the world does NOT revolve around him. Also, maybe it will encourage him to meet women in the correct way. Oh wait! No woman will pay attention to him anyways! Eww, who would?

  184. edgy1957 says: Apr 14, 2010 5:14 PM

    Deb says:
    @edgy1957 …
    The league didn’t suspend TO. The Eagles suspended TO for a violating team discipline.
    *****************************************
    I didn’t say that the league suspended him. If you look back through all my messages, I said that I didn’t care WHO suspended but that he should have been suspended. I prefer that Goodell do it so he gains credibility with the players but I don’t care if the Steelers do it, though I suspect that they’ll wimp out and only give him 2 games OR LESS, which is far less than he deserved for behavior that is far more embarrassing and detrimental to the team than anything that TO did.
    Oh and his suspension had NOTHING to do with violating team discipline. It was in retaliation for remarks he made on ESPN. The Eagles suspended him for 4 games and then deactivated him in order to circumvent league rules.

  185. Rafterman says: Apr 14, 2010 5:16 PM

    .RebaT says: April 14, 2010 4:04 PM
    Says and says….LOL!
    Get a clue you f’ing moron. LMAO!
    Ben is going to be the QB of the Steelers until Art Rooney says he’s not. Your rantings and ravings aren’t going to change anything. You are obsessed and do need professional help. But damn it’s fun watching a nervous break down in progress. Carry on!

  186. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 5:23 PM

    @RebaT …
    For once we agree on a few things: Ben is an egomaniacal idiot and I don’t find him attractive either. But I’ve never found him attractive, so it doesn’t have anything to do with these incidents. He’s just not my type. And you’re right, I’m sure he won’t contest his punishment.
    My concern with a league suspension has less to do with Ben than it has to do with the league caving to a public lynch mob and setting an unreasonable precedent. Football players are public figures. It’s not uncommon for public figures to be the subject of frivolous lawsuits. You can’t start suspending players every time their names are dragged through the mud and every time someone cries racism. It’s not workable. No matter what an attention-seeking boob like Ochocinco tweets, Goodell KNOWS no black player has been suspended in comparable circumstances. If he suspends Ben, it will be solely to appease black players in the perception that white players get special treatment. That’s racist–and it’s wrong.
    Yes, something happened in the bathroom but they were only in there 10 minutes. And if you watched the entire press conference, the DA also lectured the woman and her sorority sisters. He said he hoped they’d learned a lesson as well. He said she and Ben were involved in sexual behavior all evening that was “definitely a two-way street.” He said there was plenty of blame to go around that night and he made a point of naming the woman as well as Ben.
    The league needs to turn this over to the Steelers and Goodell needs to explain clearly that NO black player has been suspended in these circumstances. The Steelers need to be tough on Ben in a way that will knock him down a few pegs and get his attention. I’ll accept whatever they decide is appropriate. But I favor cleaning toilets.

  187. jimicos says: Apr 14, 2010 5:25 PM

    Deb says:
    April 14, 2010 3:59 PM
    The league has no cause to suspend Roethlisberger, but the Steelers can take action and I’d like it to be something creative with the potential to impact his character.
    ————————-
    The league definitely has cause to suspend Roethlisberger. He’s “stained the shield.” Whether or not he’s been convicted of any crime, or even been charged with a crime is irrelevant. Roethlisberger has stained the shield and that’s cause enough for Goodell.

  188. QBall says: Apr 14, 2010 6:12 PM

    1) As Georgia D.A. Fred Bright indicated during his press conference on Monday, there is INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE to charge Big Ben with rape. That determination was made after a month-long investigation by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the Milledgeville Police Dept, an investigation which was backed by the substantial resources of the State of Georgia. And their conclusion was, again, that the crime of rape COULD NOT BE PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. (Notwithstanding that very thorough and well-funded determination, there are still countless individuals on this site screaming “Big Ben’s a rapist” with such strident conviction that I can only conclude they must have been peeping through a hole in the wall in the bathroom and witnessed the entire incident.) This was ABSOLUTELY NOT the case with the misdeeds of Pacman Jones and others. The NFL investigated those incidents and correctly concluded that those individuals had committed
    the acts in question, and THAT’S why they were suspended. NO SUCH EVIDENCE of the crime of rape exists in Big Ben’s situation and the Commissioner will be treading on very thin ice if he moves to suspend Big Ben on that basis alone.
    2) While Mr. Bright’s admonition for Ben to “grow up” and “stand for something” was spot on, I disagree with his characterization of the woman involved as a “victim”. She was a VERY willing participant in Big Ben’s entourage throughout the evening, which included meeting him in more than one establishment, as well as wearing a shirt with a
    less-than-subtle sexual message and engaging in sexually suggestive and explicit conversation with him. Big Ben’s real offense here was LOWERING HIMSELF to same level of tawdry, immoral and embarrassing behavior as his accuser. (Ditto for
    the incident in Lake Tahoe.) Terry Bradshaw hit the nail on the head the other day when he stated that Ben has got to realize that he is an elite athlete in the National Football League and conduct himself accordingly. Big Ben is ABSOLUTELY guilty of using extremely poor judgment and, in particular, bringing the Steelers franchise into disrepute with his behavior. And for THAT reason he should be facing a 2-4 game suspension FROM THE STEELERS, not the NFL.
    3) There is no double standard in play with the handling of the cases of Santonio Holmes and Big Ben or any other Steelers players. Holmes had numerous off-field incidents for which his culpability, unlike Big Ben’s, was NEVER IN DOUBT. The straw that broke the camel’s back with Holmes was his third violation of the NFL’s Substance Abuse Policy. The guy clearly has a very flat learning curve when it comes to grasping the concept that smoking dope is not going to be tolerated by the NFL. And if he got caught three times, he probably did it 303 other times. So, the moral of story is that he’s now a New York Jet. Nor was this a knee-jerk reaction by the Steelers; rather, Chuck Noll set this standard when he arrived in Pittsburgh 40 years ago and promptly put another pain-in-the-ass wide receiver named Roy Jefferson, who was arguably the Steelers’ best offensive player at the time, on the next bus out of town. It remains the standard today. Also, those of you who think that the James Harrison and Cedric Wilson domestic abuse incidents were handled in an unfair manner due to their respective abilities are ignorant of the facts of those cases. Harrison slapped his girlfriend with an open hand during a heated argument over the baptism of their son. Cedric Wilson, on the other hand, sought out his girlfriend in a restaurant, walked up to her table and PUNCHED HER IN THE FACE. Anyone who can’t see the difference in severity between these two incidents, and the disparate penalties meted out to both players, is an idiot.

  189. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 6:25 PM

    @jimicos …
    People keep posting that Pacman was suspended without an arrest yada yada. Not true. He had at least six arrests, several cases on probation, several more instances where police were called during altercations. And he and his entourage were involved in two shootings in four months. Only after that did the commissioner suspend him.
    Ben Roethlisberger rode a motorcycle without a helmet and had an accident that was the other driver’s fault. He had sex with an older woman in a private hotel room in Nevada. Her text messages, e-mails, and the sworn affidavits of her friends show the sex was consensual, and the police say there’s no evidence of a crime.
    If you listened to the entire Georgia press conference, the DA lectured BOTH the woman and Roethlisberger on their drinking and behavior. He said they had engaged in highly sexualized behavior all evening that was definitely a two-way street and he hoped they BOTH learned something.
    Now you cannot tell me that it took three years and a half-dozen arrests for Jones to stain the shield, but Roethlisberger did it with one stupid night of drinking in which the DA said even with the woman’s testimony he didn’t have enough for probable cause for an arrest let alone reasonable doubt for a conviction.
    I congratulate you that when you were 28, you never went out, drank to much, and acted like an idiot. But Roethlisberger isn’t the first NFL player to do so. Suspending him would be ridiculous.
    This is an internal team matter.

  190. a3gill says: Apr 14, 2010 8:23 PM

    Maybe I am being naive, but if he is granted some type of special treatment, I think it has more to do with him being a QB than being white. Moreover, he has proven to be a reliable leader on the football field. I’m fine with him being treated differently than a spoiled brat, wide-out, playboy, regardless of race. If our past actions don’t define us then what does?
    Goodell, I think it’s time you issue a league-wide Pre-Intimacy form letter contract to be signed by all of the cleat-chasers running around trying to make a buck.

  191. a3gill says: Apr 14, 2010 8:26 PM

    I made a funny observation while waiting in line at Comcast and watching ESPN. Nearly unanamously, when hearing of the Big Ben story, men immediately think the worst of Ben. And, just as quickly, the women jump all over the girl and blame her.
    Proving yet again, everyone loves white women except for white women.

  192. Rafterman says: Apr 14, 2010 8:36 PM

    Deb says: April 14, 2010 6:25 PM
    This is an internal team matter.
    Indeed

  193. Deb says: Apr 14, 2010 9:04 PM

    @a3gill …
    I blame adults for their actions: him for his, her for hers.
    No one “got” a 20-year-old drunk and forced her to, as the DA said, engage in highly sexualized conduct and conversation with a man she just met. She’s an adult. She chose to get drunk. She chose to get frisky.
    No one enticed a 28-year-old man into a nightclub and forced him into a VIP area with a bunch of female college students. No one “got” him drunk, either, or forced him to engage in sexualized conduct with a woman he just met when he had a civil accusation of rape hanging over his head.
    I see TWO adults who made STUPID choices and should be adult enough to manage the consequences without trying to blame everyone but themselves.
    Since the DA said there was plenty of blame to go around and he hoped they both learned something, it seems that’s what he saw, too.

  194. yankeh8r says: Apr 14, 2010 10:44 PM

    HELLO ALL YOU FRIGGIN’ IDIOTS – THERE ARE NO CHARGES OF ANY ILLEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE GUY. THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. HOW DO YOU SUSPEND HIM FOR GOING TO A CLUB? BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS SPECULATION! PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND WAIT UNTIL HE’S BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF SOMETHING BEFORE ALL YOU HYPOCRITICAL BASTARDS JUDGE HIM!

  195. Ravenmaniac says: Apr 14, 2010 11:01 PM

    While Ben is not the first NFL player to go out and get intoxicated….I just dont recall hearing too many NFL players being accused of sexual assault…especially 2 times within a year.
    Congratulations ben you have set an all time low….

  196. bobzilla says: Apr 14, 2010 11:11 PM

    @ItalianArmyGuy: I assure you that if Roethlisberger is allowed to be idle for an entire season, his career will be over.
    He’ll either find more trouble, or he’ll eat himself out of the league. Roethlisberger needs to be kept busy. The perfect solution would be to trade him now, while he still “only” weighs 300 pounds.
    @yankeh8r: Here’s the crime: He bought drinks for coeds in a dive bar with hopes of sexing them up in a dingy restroom. THAT IS CONDUCT UNBECOMING of an NFL quarterback who was paid $27 million last season.
    This ain’t complicated.

  197. BigBear123 says: Apr 14, 2010 11:19 PM

    Pacman was never charged with anything or convicted. Pacman was always “Accused” of the issues he was involved in.
    ——————-
    July 13, 2005- Arrested and charged with assault and felony vandalism after a nightclub altercation. This began Pacman Jones NFL rap sheet. He already had a lengthy one from high school and college.
    October 2005- State of West Virginia filed a petition stating that Jones had not been contacting his probation officer and that he had not reported his July 2005 arrest. The judge extended the probation for just 90 days.
    March 23, 2006- Charged with marijuana possession in Fayetteville, Georgia. He went on to claim that he knew how to beat the NFL’s drug test.
    August 25, 2006- Arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after being ordered by the cops to leave a Murfreesboro night club several times. Jones claimed a woman stole his wallet. The woman claimed that Jones spat on her. The judge in the case gave Pacman six months probation and told him to stay away from the club.
    October 26, 2006- Jones was issued a citation for misdemeanor assault after a female student from Tennessee State University claimed that Jones spit in her face at a Nashville night club.
    Feburary 19, 2007- The facts are disputed and no charges have been made yet, but Jones was in the middle of a fight and shooting at a strip club in Las Vegas that left one man paralyzed and two more wounded. The fight broke out after Jones showered strippers on stage with $81,000 dollars. The club owner claims Jones was beating a strippers head against the bar while claiming to kill one of the club’s employees.
    January 3, 2008- Pacman is accused of punching Wanda S. Jackson in the face at an Atlanta strip club called the Body Tap Strip Club. Jackson says Jones reached over the counter and sucker punched her in her left eye.
    October 8, 2008- Jones got into an alcohol related incident which turned into a physical confrontation with bodyguards that had been assigned to him by the Dallas Cowboys. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has suspended Jones indefinitely for the second time in his NFL career.
    The above time line doesn’t include his sentence of one year in prison for a bar fight in Morgantown, West Virginia while in college. The sentence was later suspended in exchange for two years of probation (because he is a really good football player).

  198. Capt. James T. Kirk says: Apr 14, 2010 11:34 PM

    Poo Flinging Monkey says:
    April 14, 2010 12:42 AM
    I think it has less to do with race, and more to do with the fact that he’s a star QB and was, up until recently, one of the faces of the NFL.
    If it had been Matt Cassel or Kyle Orton instead, they’d get it worse that Rapenstein will.
    And for the record, I think the guy is slime and should be suspended for a lot more than two games. Eight to 16 games seems about right for this kind of crime. Two games is nothing.
    ………………………..
    This kind of crime? What crime? You are a total dipshit twat. Nuff said.

  199. Silverback92 says: Apr 15, 2010 12:19 AM

    I am just asking-has anyone been suspended in by the NFL (not their team) for an incident in which there were no charges brought? I know guys have been suspended for breaking team rules by the team but I’m unaware of NFL type suspensions without actually being charged. just curious. To me, it’s wrong every time to suspend a guy who hasn’t even been charged. I’m sorry but when the legitimate law conducts an investigation and decides not to bring charges how can you possibly turn around and suspend a guy?!

  200. Deb says: Apr 15, 2010 3:30 AM

    @Ravenmaniac …
    It’s getting REALLY old hearing you whine about how low Roethlisberger is for being accused twice of sexual assault. The guy sounds like an arrogant jackass for the way he’s apparently treated a lot of people in Pittsburgh. But as a rape survivor myself, I’m sick of hearing about these two poor women. Forget about me. It’s insulting to the dozens of women I’ve known who were drugged, beaten, stalked, gang raped, raped at gunpoint, and raped as young children.
    Andrea McNulty concocted one of the most ridiculous tales I’ve ever read. An 18-month old could put dozens of holes in that story by tossing Cheerios. And then there are affidavits from her friends saying she bragged about having sex with Ben. She tried to get one friend to go to Pittsburgh with her and hit the clubs in hope of running into Ben. She talked continually about wanting to see him again on his visit for the following year’s golf tournament.
    Only after the hotel asked her to take PAID leave while he was in town–thwarting her access to him–did she file a $3 million suit against him AND her coworkers. At the time she was supposed to be sobbing in her truck after the “assault,” her text messages show she was at her work station texting coochie-coo talk to her “boyfriend” and telling him he looked like Ben. Two days later she texted that guy how much she was looking foward to seeing Ben at a luncheon.
    RAPE?
    Did you listen to the Georgia DA’s entire 71-minute press conference?
    The woman and her friends were drinking before arriving at the club. Many people in her group were over 21. She was 20 and a half. Ben bought drinks for the table, not for her personally. She and Ben spent the evening engaged in highly sexualized behavior and conversation which the DA would not repeat because he said there was no point sharing the “salacious” details, but he said it was “definitely a two-way street.” She asked a bodyguard to show her the restroom. He did and then returned. He did not know Ben went back there. He did not block the doorway or hallway. They were only back there 10 MINUTES.
    When she left the club, she wanted to go home, but her drunken sorority sisters dragged her to a cop and started babbling. Asked if she’d been raped, she said no. Asked if she’d had sex, she said she wasn’t sure. The rape kit could not confirm intercourse. After she sobered up the next day, her story eventually evolved from uncertainty to rape. The DA said Ben NEVER admitted any sexual contact with her. The DA said there was plenty of blame to go around and he hope they both learned something from the experience.
    RAPE?
    Hate Ben all you want. But out of respect for all the REAL rape survivors out there, stop pretending it’s because he’s some kind of sexual deviant.

  201. jimicos says: Apr 15, 2010 11:47 AM

    Deb says:
    April 14, 2010 6:25 PM
    @jimicos …
    People keep posting that Pacman was suspended without an arrest yada yada. Not true. He had at least six arrests, several cases on probation, several more instances where police were called during altercations. And he and his entourage were involved in two shootings in four months. Only after that did the commissioner suspend him.
    Ben Roethlisberger rode a motorcycle without a helmet and had an accident that was the other driver’s fault. He had sex with an older woman in a private hotel room in Nevada. Her text messages, e-mails, and the sworn affidavits of her friends show the sex was consensual, and the police say there’s no evidence of a crime.
    If you listened to the entire Georgia press conference, the DA lectured BOTH the woman and Roethlisberger on their drinking and behavior. He said they had engaged in highly sexualized behavior all evening that was definitely a two-way street and he hoped they BOTH learned something.
    Now you cannot tell me that it took three years and a half-dozen arrests for Jones to stain the shield, but Roethlisberger did it with one stupid night of drinking in which the DA said even with the woman’s testimony he didn’t have enough for probable cause for an arrest let alone reasonable doubt for a conviction.
    I congratulate you that when you were 28, you never went out, drank to much, and acted like an idiot. But Roethlisberger isn’t the first NFL player to do so. Suspending him would be ridiculous.
    —————————
    Being accused of sexual assault by three women in three separate instances doesn’t qualify as “staining the shield”? Regardless of guilt or innocence, it’s brought unwanted attention to the NFL. Roger is well within his power to suspend Roethlisberger. I’m not saying he SHOULD, I’m just saying he can.
    Personally, I believe there should be a suspension. I don’t care if it comes from the team or league, though.
    Regarding your post above, at no point did I say anything about Pacman Jones. I don’t think Pacman enters into it. His actions fell into the same category as Ben’s (staining the shield), but I wouldn’t compare the two.
    Also, at no point did I say I wasn’t still getting drunk and doing stupid things at 28. I can tell you I’ve never been accused of sexual assault or rape or sexual misconduct (or whatever the kids are calling it these days). And I never had sex in a nightclub bathroom. You’d think with all that money he’d be able to bring these girls back to his home or hotel instead of taking over the bathroom for his escapades. And you’d also think he’d be able to find one or two girls of legal drinking age.

  202. Deb says: Apr 15, 2010 12:28 PM

    @jimicos …
    He has not been accused by three women. The guy spinning that tale issued multiple retractions lickety-split. IF there were anything to that, a legitimate lawyer would have contacted the Georgia authorities while the criminal investigation was in progress because that information could have been used to help secure a conviction if Georgia had gone to trial. I can assure you REAL rape victims want their attackers to be punished. We don’t even know if the third woman exists, let alone if there’s truth to the story.
    Let’s deal with what IS. Please read my response to Ravenmaniac (above).
    You may not have mentioned Pacman, but countless boobs are mentioning him with no knowledge of his arrest record.
    As for whether the team or the league should suspend him, for me that’s the SOLE issue. Made the argument to edgy1957 last night. No point typing it again. It’s near the bottom of this thread:
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/14/smizik-says-steelers-should-trade-roethlisberger/
    I agree–you’d think he would behave like a grownup. But he didn’t, and the team needs to handle it. That’s all I’m saying. As the DA said in his last line of the press conference: “I prosecute crime, not sin.” We have to be dispassionate enough to separate criminal behavior from behavior we disapprove. The punishment has to fit the acts.

  203. jimicos says: Apr 15, 2010 3:13 PM

    I’m not going to go back and read other responses in this thread or go to other threads. I don’t really have a dog in this fight.
    Regarding the Boston lawyer, I’d be very surprised if he just made up his story. My guess is it was a legitimate client who came to him with a story. Since the client did not choose to go forward, he should’ve swallowed the story completely. The guy never should’ve opened his mouth, especially on the air.
    Since he did open his mouth, and since the story grew some legs, he needed to cover his ass immediately. That’s my take on it. I’d be shocked if it turns out he made that story up.
    Google him. He’s a partner in Cooley MANION Jones LLP. Why would a partner in a law firm risk himself to slander an NFL quarterback? This isn’t some shmuck trying to make a name for himself. This guy’s already made a name for himself. He’s already had his 15 minutes of fame. He didn’t need to slander Roethlisberger to get his name in the news.
    So I believe there ARE 3 women who’ve accused Roethlisberger of fill-in-the-blank. The fact that only two of the cases actually made it formal “allegations” shouldn’t surprise anyone. What’s the percentage of sexual assaults/rapes in this country that are reported and investigated? Especially when rich, powerful men are accused?

  204. lifelongphinfan says: Apr 15, 2010 3:46 PM

    i agree that ben has put his self in bad situations.and i really hate this racism crap i’m reading it has nothing to do with race it does have everything to do with what if any wrog doing took place on bens part and in fairness he has not been charged with anything and thats the bottom line. and if the nfl is going to start punishing players who have not been charged with crimes just because public opinion says so then they will have to punish 1/2 the league or more. so let the steelers & ben work out whatever they work out and leave it at that.btw i’d like to try to understand why is it i only hear blacks complaining about racism and we all know that black community has there own set of rules concerning whites but its only the whites that are racisits according to the blacks could someone fill me in?

  205. Deb says: Apr 15, 2010 4:09 PM

    @jimicos …
    Since I’ve actually been researching this, I’m well aware of who Manion is. I’m also aware he fell over himself retracting the story. His unnamed client never went to police, never filed a police report, and her story was never investigated by reporters. It could just as easily have been an attempt to cash in on the other accusations. I refuse to deal with an accusation that has never been made but was only hinted at by an attorney on a radio talk show, who later retracted it multiple times.
    And as a rape survivor myself, I’m sick of hearing about the other two poor women. It’s insulting to the dozens of women I’ve known who were drugged, beaten, stalked, gang raped, raped at gunpoint, and raped as young children.
    Andrea McNulty concocted one of the most ridiculous tales I’ve ever read. An 18-month old could put dozens of holes in that story by tossing Cheerios. And then there are affidavits from her friends saying she bragged about having sex with Ben. She tried to get one friend to go to Pittsburgh with her and hit the clubs in hope of running into Ben. She talked continually about wanting to see him again on his visit for the following year’s golf tournament.
    Only after the hotel asked her to take PAID leave while he was in town–thwarting her access to him–did she file a $3 million suit against him AND her coworkers. At the time she was supposed to be sobbing in her truck after the “assault,” her text messages show she was at her work station texting coochie-coo talk to her “boyfriend” and telling him he looked like Ben. Two days later she texted that guy how much she was looking foward to seeing Ben at a luncheon. Rape?
    The Georgia woman and her friends were drinking before arriving at the club. Many people in her group were over 21. She was 20 and a half. Ben bought drinks for the table, not for her personally. She and Ben spent the evening engaged in highly sexualized behavior and conversation which the DA would not repeat because he said there was no point sharing the “salacious” details, but he said it was “a two-way street.” She asked a bodyguard to show her the restroom. He did and then returned. He did not know Ben went back there. He did not block the doorway or hallway. They were only back there 10 MINUTES.
    When she left the club, she wanted to go home, but her drunken sorority sisters dragged her to a cop and started babbling. Asked if she’d been raped, she said no. Asked if she’d had sex, she said she wasn’t sure. The rape kit could not confirm intercourse. After she sobered up, the DA said her story eventually “evolved” from uncertainty to rape. He said there was plenty of blame to go around and he hoped they both learned from the experience. Rape? Funny, it didn’t take me 12-13 hours to know if I’d been raped.
    Roethlisberger is a sleazy ass. But my only concern is EQUAL BLIND JUSTICE. Should the league suspend him? NO because he hasn’t failed a drug test, been arrested, been in a barroom brawl, or been involved in any disciplinary action. No player with Roethlisberger’s clean record has EVER been suspended by the league. The league MUST NOT appear to be kowtowing to irrational mob mentality and the race-baiting of calculating attention-seekers like Ochocinco. If they get away with it on this, they’ll try it on other issues. And it’s wrong.
    I don’t care if every black player in the league says “If that were me, he’d already be suspended.” Goodell KNOWS that’s not true. He KNOWS no African-American player has been suspended in these circumstances. If he caves on this, he’s making a race-motivated judgment and Roethlisberger should not become a martyr.
    Goodell should have the courage to stand up and state plainly that no player has been suspended in these circumstances and he’s Pittsburgh’s problem.
    The Steelers have said they are prepared to punish him and that is the appropriate course of action. I’ll abide by what they decide.
    Now I’m glad you have time to waste baiting me with questions about a hunt in which you have no dog. I’m have work to do and these issues aren’t fun and games to me. Get your kicks another way.

  206. jimicos says: Apr 15, 2010 5:56 PM

    Has he or has he not “stained the shield”?

  207. Deb says: Apr 15, 2010 7:01 PM

    @jimicos …
    No.
    Evidence indicates the Nevada sex was consensual. Rooney wouldn’t even discuss that in the press conference. He said the issue is Georgia, so consider that:
    Drinking at a college bar. My guess is most players do that when visiting their college towns and we never hear of it.
    Rape allegation. DA said not even enough probable cause for arrest let alone to convict. An accusation without merit doesn’t stain the shield.
    To me, the most damning stuff is 1) that he’d put himself in the Georgia situation w/the Nevada suit pending, and 2) all the stories about his rudeness to Pittsburgh fans.
    Clearly he has entitlement issues and needs a comeuppance. The Steelers should have issued warnings prior to this. But a warning won’t suffice now. I don’t believe the league has cause to suspend. But the team can address internal issues any way they see fit. I’ll support whatever punishment they, no matter how severe. He’s put himself in this position and he’ll have to face the consequences of his stupidity. If the team suspends him, so be it.

  208. jimicos says: Apr 16, 2010 4:46 PM

    He didn’t stain the shield? Looks to me like he pooped on it.

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