Comments on: Clausen's segment with Gruden hints at a leadership flaw

By: ceetown22

ceetown22 — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:11:18 +0000

# jj jones says: April 15, 2010 10:15 AM
What has Gruden ever done to prove to be a good mentor for a young QB? He has never developed a quarterback.
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DUDE what the F*** are you talking about? he was a QB coach for SF (under Walsh) then GB (under Holmgreen) then Philly(under Ray Rhodes) then became a HC in 98 w/ the Raiders… I think Steve Young and Brett Favre are pretty good QB’s he helped develop…
GOOGLE…. before you say something you don’t know.
HAIL SKINS!

By: nowathand

nowathand — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:34:04 +0000

sequtugh, I’m sure Jon Gruden would have loved it if Jimmy lied to him on the air. I think, in football, you are dealing with very masculine personalities, and not a whole lot of intelligence. So, it’s very crucial that you get the details right and correct the mistakes and no one’s ego will be permanently bruise.
I don’t know if Kurt blamed Anquan but I remember him saying he didn’t see James Harrison which is what some quarterbacks use, not as an excuse necessarily, but as an admission of error explaining why they threw the ball. It’s kind of a moot point when Tim Hightower got blocked in the back.

By: Opie

Opie — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:06:23 +0000

@ klungemonger: took the words out of my mouth.
@ Florio: similar to what others have said, stop being the poster child for the kid that gets picked last and thinks it’s not fair. You criticize one person for speaking out and another for not saying anything.
Do you fall down when you weeble-wobble?!? Shit, I just dated myself didn’t I?!?

By: Corey

Corey — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:54:27 +0000

ESPN’s scheduling committee is a bunch of jerks. why don’t we start the sweet qb draft review thing at 7:00???? SAME TIME AS THE PUCK DROPS FOR THE SABRES PLAYOFF OPENER!!!! >:o

By: vegassquire

vegassquire — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:53:26 +0000

Keep this up and Mel Kipper’s draft book order of 2,000 copies from Clausen’s agent might get canceled.

By: Jack Acid

Jack Acid — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:44:29 +0000

Or, Clausen called a spade a spade?
Florio, you’re really reaching for straws on this one…like REALLY reaching.

By: CKL

CKL — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:29:53 +0000

sequtugh says:
April 15, 2010 12:30 PM
DanSnyder says:
April 15, 2010 10:16 AM
That is the complete opposite of the way I see it. I *AM* in a leadership position, I have 36 employees and 4 supervisors that report to me, and I have to answer for their actions and results every day. When something goes wrong, the leader takes responsibility for the error in public, and then corrects the problem in private (how you correct it depends on your personality). To do otherwise undermines your credibility with the workforce/team. Who is going to trust you or give you full effort when they believe you are just out for yourself? To not see that flaw is either willfully being blind to the obvious, or just shows you have no idea what leadership is all about.
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You and a few others on here who said similar things are 100% correct.
No one is saying QBs shouldn’t correct their teammates…only that it should be done PRIVATELY. Taking public blame while spreading credit is one big way to get guys to work for you regardless of whether you are a QB or in a regular job.
All Clausen had to say was “We had a communication error and I am responsible because I have the ball in my hands on every play” or some such thing. PERIOD. Done.
The reason I dislike Peyton, McNabb, Favre etc. as leaders is that they aren’t actually leaders…all of them have publicly thrown teammates under the bus multiple times.

By: CanadianVikingFan

CanadianVikingFan — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:20:11 +0000

If Gruden wants to get back into the NFL he has to make his play language alot simpler, seeing as only a few QBs, (Jeff Garcia) could ever understand.

By: FireJerryJones

FireJerryJones — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:51:40 +0000

Gruden argued with every QB. Only worked with Rich Gannon, who’s just one angry SOB with an ego as big as Gruden.
Which is what you need in a QB.
Aikman, Young, Brady, Manning are not wallflowers with their receivers.

By: danielcp0303

danielcp0303 — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:46:35 +0000

If he wanted to blame the WR, do it in private. Then you take the blame in the eyes of the media, that’s just how it is. That’s how your teammates come to trust you and that’s how you gain respect as a leader. During the whole segment it just seemed like Clausen wasn’t focused or paying attention. I’d say it’s a huge red flag, doesn’t seem like the guy is mature at all. He talked about being like Manning and Brady, but I don’t think he understands what that takes.

By: kennethnoisewater

kennethnoisewater — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:38:58 +0000

Yea that throwing under the bus thing never worked out for Peyton Manning…..

By: sequtugh

sequtugh — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:30:35 +0000

DanSnyder says:
April 15, 2010 10:16 AM
Reading too far into it. Clausen is right and rightfully acknowledged his receivers mistake because it was a mistake by the receiver and not himself. He didn’t blame anyone in a negative sense. He was asked a simple question and gave a perfectly fine answer. For anyone to come to the conclusion that he has leadership flaws because of this response is pure ignorance and only means that people don’t just blindly believe the hype/gossip, they actually want to.
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That is the complete opposite of the way I see it. I *AM* in a leadership position, I have 36 employees and 4 supervisors that report to me, and I have to answer for their actions and results every day. When something goes wrong, the leader takes responsibility for the error in public, and then corrects the problem in private (how you correct it depends on your personality). To do otherwise undermines your credibility with the workforce/team. Who is going to trust you or give you full effort when they believe you are just out for yourself? To not see that flaw is either willfully being blind to the obvious, or just shows you have no idea what leadership is all about.

By: marktg30

marktg30 — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:28:32 +0000

What is the difference between Clausen making that statement on TV and ripping his WR after the play on national TV?
I have seen Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and other top tier QBs scream at their WRs for running the wrong route in a game.
Nothing different here. Granted, I am still holding out hope that Mangini gets fired and Gruden comes to Cleveland. (or Cowher)

By: Calgaryhawk

Calgaryhawk — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:23:44 +0000

I’m not one to usually attack someone for their typing or spelling skills but I just have to say this in general.
The word is
Prima Donna — It is Italian for first lady and comes from the Opera world to signify the leading female singer who, by coincidence, was usually full of herself and a headache to work with. That is why it has now come to be used to describe someone who has a big ego and is difficult to work with.
I don’t know what this pre-madonna thing is I keep seeing people type on here is. Does this mean that Claussen’s attitude pre dates the singing career of Madonna? Does it mean he’s older than the bible? I’m confused.

By: Facts Domino

Facts Domino — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:12:26 +0000

Jimmy Clausen sucks. It’s going to be fun watching his alien head fail.

By: Rick

Rick — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:04:29 +0000

Good for Clausen, I want my leaders calling people out when they are not doing the right thing

By: DirtyLilJohnny

DirtyLilJohnny — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:52:27 +0000

I have tried and tried to like Jimmy Clausen but I just can’t…he simply rubs me the wrong way. He is one of those people that just for whatever reason, isn’t very likeable. Even his mannerisms during his Pro-Day were annoying — he must have grabbed his nuts before every single throw. WTF?

By: irishsamurai

irishsamurai — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:45:21 +0000

gotta love all the “gruden sucks,he got fired from tampa”,,crap,yeah he got fired,,after he won a super bowl with brad johnson at qb,oh and how has tampa doing without him,with the cheapest owners in football,and a front office that didnt tryy and get a future star until after he was gone,i think that anyone who questions grudens merits are waaaay crazy,this dude needs to be a coach again now,he is probably the hardest working,one of the smartest coaches,and i think as soon as bowen figures out that mcduffus is a quack,gruden should end up in denver[now that dummy has completely dismantled the entire squad]

By: robert ethan

robert ethan — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:32:23 +0000

The fact that Gruden is sitting in a studio harassing pimply faced kids young enough to be his sons indicates a leadership flaw.
Gruden’s.

By: dabarber

dabarber — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:23:29 +0000

I doubt he said this.
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“Look, Jimmy. You’re already getting killed by Todd McShay for having leadership and maturity issues. When you publicly blame your receiver for something that ultimately was your responsibility, you give guys like McShay something tangible to point to. You never publicly blame your teammate like that, not right after the game or six months later or six years later. And if he told you that he saw the hand signal but that for whatever reason he chose to ignore it, then you resolve the situation in house — and you take the responsibility for not giving the guy a clear signal, for not being sure that he got it, or for not having the kind of relationship with your receiver where that he’d never dare do anything other than what you tell him to do.”

By: downwithdansnyder

downwithdansnyder — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:21:27 +0000

He didn’t do much? Did you see his stats last year? This kid has sick talent. If the NFL would put a damn rookie wage scale in someone could afford to risk having to sit on Jimmy for a year or two IF he’s not mature enough. Problem with paying a zillion dollars to high picks is teams feel they have to play them and it’s a lose/lose for the player and the team (and the fans).

By: SonsCompass

SonsCompass — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:13:47 +0000

Of course he’s gonna blame it on the receiver. If anything I said could cost me millions, I’d throw someone under the bus too. If the receiver is mad, mail him a chunk of that 1st check.

By: The Notorious V.I.C.

The Notorious V.I.C. — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:10:48 +0000

There’s no way around it, Florio. You are a COLOSSAL tool.
Your little 1000 word paragraph about what Gruden should’ve told Claussen after he pulled him aside straight up gave me douche chills.
You are a joke and so is this site.

By: Chizzle

Chizzle — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:06:47 +0000

He’s wasting his time. Clausen’s a bust anyway.

By: DB26

DB26 — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:05:54 +0000

@DanSnyder:
You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG! QB’s and coaches take blame regardless of who got the signal, who missed the signal, or who ran the wrong route. You take responsibility for everything. That is what a good QB and Coach does. They put the whole world on their shoulders and say “Who’s comin with me”. And those who do this…… They are rewarded with guys that will do anything in the world on and off the field for them. A QB MUST be the true Gladiator of the team. He is most times looked at as the face of the franchise. The Gladiator who passes the buck is not the Gladiator who is looking out for the best of the Brotherhood. He is the Gladiator who is looking for his own coin and success in the arena. Most often, he is the one that is thrown out to the lions as well.
That comment in itself dropped Claussen out of the Top 10, GUARANTEED! Only way he gets drafted in the top 10 is if Gruden gives Holmgren a word of faith that Claussen can be really good and he thinks that Claussen will embrace the role of top dog and prove to be a leader!

By: Strick

Strick — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:05:20 +0000

It’s not about political correctness or honesty – it’s about leadership. Praise in public; punish in private. You just don’t throw one of your own under the bus. For any reason. Period.
For Clausen to do that while McShay and others are already questioning his leadership abilities was a bad move – that’s all the article is saying.
I’d be more interested in knowing who the receiver was, personally.

By: Chitown

Chitown — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:04:51 +0000

Quick question here Florio…..These segments are supposed to be Coach/Player not media player, correct? I am sure they pound that into the head of the 20 year old kid-Coach/Player don’t think of me as the media. Coach asks you in a meeting did WR get the signal? Does player give honest answer or does he lie. Before you answer remember there is another top rated prospect getting killed for lying to the NCAA. This is all propaganda garbage from ESPN.

By: Buffalo Hogan

Buffalo Hogan — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:02:16 +0000

Link to video: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5089195&categoryid=2378529

By: pigsty

pigsty — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:58:51 +0000

On camera, Gruden seemed to measure his words carefully but he still made the unmistakable point that in this situation the blame falls to the quarterback.
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That’s why he’ll always be “Jimmy” not Jim Claussen until the day arrives when even the most rabid Irish fan will not-so-fondly try to recall … “Jimmy WHO?”
Unlike this guy.
“You should always do what you can to take the blame when things go wrong” — Joe Montana on QB leadership, p. 90, The Art and Magic of Quarterbacking.

By: downwithdansnyder

downwithdansnyder — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:55:09 +0000