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Roethlisberger wouldn't be first player disciplined for conduct without arrest

Over the years, plenty of NFL players have been suspended without being arrested.  But those suspensions have come via the substance abuse policy or the steroids policy.  (Teams also have suspended players who have not been arrested, for conduct detrimental to the team.)

To date, the NFL has never suspended under the Personal Conduct Policy a player who has not been arrested.  But that doesn’t mean players haven’t been disciplined without being arrested.  Indeed, it’s our understanding that multiple players have been fined, primarily for issues transpiring in the locker room among players. 

Also, players like Pacman Jones have been suspended without being arrested when finding trouble while on a short leash after a reinstatement.  In 2008, a scuffle with his team-supplied bodyguard/babysitter resulted in Jones being parked for several weeks during the only season of football he has played since 2007.

Still, the league will be breaking new ground if Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is suspended for one or more games under the Personal Conduct Policy.  On one hand, and as we’ve previously pointed out, the NFL would be embarking on a slippery slope by taking action against a man who never has been arrested or charged — but who has been investigated, sued, and accused.  At some point, basic notions of fairness would require the league to be prepared to explore any and all situations in which players could be failing, as Commissioner Roger Goodell recently reiterated, to “conduct ourselves in a way that ‘is responsible, that promotes
the values upon which the league is
based, and is lawful
.’”

But what precisely does that mean?  Is the league now legislating morality?  At what point do, for example, players who have fathered multiple children with multiple women to whom they weren’t married violate this fuzzy and subjective standard?

The real message from the NFL could be simply this:  “We don’t care what you do, just don’t get caught.”

Indeed, it’s not the conduct that embarrasses the league.  It’s the fact that the public becomes aware of the conduct.  And so, at the core, the league’s attitude toward misbehavior possibly is no different than the attitude of many teams regarding marijuana.  Plenty of guys will do it; it becomes a problem only when they get caught — and then when they can’t stop.

That’s why, even by setting this new precedent, the league will continue to treat these matters on a case-by-case basis, based primarily on whether these matters hit the NFL’s radar screen via an arrest, an indictment, a civil suit, or some other means of public disclosure.

To the extent that discipline is aimed at deterrence, it could be bad news for Big Ben.  Like a high-profile defendant in a criminal prosecution, throwing the book at a big-name quarterback could be a great way to get the other 1,700-plus men who play pro football to realize that no one is above the rules.

If, that is, they get caught. 

And so that’s the real message to anyone out there who may be failing to act in a way that “is
responsible, that promotes
the values upon which the league is
based, and is lawful
.”  The league won’t be going door-to-door to find out affirmatively whether this inherently vague standard is being violated.  But if a guy gets caught — if allegations of misconduct become public and the league’s investigation uncovers any “know it when we see it” proof of behavior that falls short of the ambiguous ideal — then the player will pay the price.

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  1. rjgreen3 says: Apr 17, 2010 11:45 AM

    if the league doesn’t fine and suspend The Rapist, they will be acknowledging a double standard

  2. jasper6 says: Apr 17, 2010 11:45 AM

    Big Ben is gonna have to resort to showing his d!cK behind the dairy queen to girls for money to make up for all the money he’s gonna lose.

  3. MakingitRain says: Apr 17, 2010 11:52 AM

    Sexual assault is a hard case to prove. Which leads to the point there may not be a record or history of convictions. In this case you have to look at all the repeated accusations against him. If he was out commiting any other crime he would have a record by now. Not saying he should be burned at the stake but he should face a long suspension. He’s freakin millionaire having sex with college girls in the bathroom at a bar. As exciting as they may be, I would get a room at a 5 star hotel. I would do my business in style. He’s just nasty and classless. What a meat head!

  4. QJ1984 says: Apr 17, 2010 11:55 AM

    Although, I do believe Marshall has atleast been arrested, he was never charged or convicted for either of his domestic disputes and he still recieved a 3 game suspension in 2007. But that was before he was a probowl player.
    I know he also had the McDonalds bag incident that could be strike 3 but lets not forget Pig Ben damn near killed him self when he was riding that bike without a helmet, which is a against the law. There is precedent for a suspension set already.

  5. 8ball says: Apr 17, 2010 11:55 AM

    .
    007…License to Rape
    .

  6. dj43 says: Apr 17, 2010 11:57 AM

    This guy is a total Douchebag, and not worth anymore of my time

  7. lamajet says: Apr 17, 2010 11:59 AM

    Has anyone considered letting Roethlisberger play without a fine or other sanction, but just barring his dick from the field? I say suspend his dick for eight games, and if he can somehow get the rest of himself on the field without it, he’s good to go.

  8. wryly1 says: Apr 17, 2010 12:02 PM

    All sorts of people are commonly or regularly reprimanded and/or disciplined by their employers for using poor judgment and doing things that are wrong, that reflect poorly on the organization. Not everything that is ‘wrong’ is ‘criminal’. There have to be acceptable standards of public behavior. eom!

  9. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Apr 17, 2010 12:03 PM

    # jasper6 says: April 17, 2010 11:45 AM
    Big Ben is gonna have to resort to showing his d!cK behind the dairy queen to girls for money to make up for all the money he’s gonna lose.
    ——————————————–
    LOL Very good man

  10. thc916 says: Apr 17, 2010 12:07 PM

    Let’s be real. It shouldn’t matter whether you are arrested or not. Some innocent people are arrested and never charged, and some guilty people are not arrested, but later charged, which I guess will then lead to an eventual arrest. Additionally, it is at the discretion of the police whether to initially arrest or not. That was obviously not going to happen on the night that Roethlisberger was accused of Sexual Assault. Not with the officer posing with him and making crude remarks about the accuser. Ben probably should have been arrested on the spot, but that was office “take a picture with me”‘s call. Basically, I feel that saying you have to be arrested to get into trouble is wrong. Florio, you put it beautifully with… “But if a guy gets caught — if allegations of misconduct become public and the league’s investigation uncovers any “know it when we see it” proof of behavior that falls short of the ambiguous ideal — then the player will pay the price.”

  11. ambientnoise says: Apr 17, 2010 12:11 PM

    how unsurprising to see all these steelers fans excusing rape

  12. BuckFigBen says: Apr 17, 2010 12:12 PM

    The scum bag should be in prison. He got away with assaulting a drunk girl, and it seems like it’s a character trait and not a single misstep.
    The Steelers will forever tarnish their integrity as soon as he puts on that number jersey and plays for them again. Steelers fans should NEVER be able to talk character and integrity while they wear Harrison or Roethlisberger jerseys.

  13. iusedtobeteddybayer says: Apr 17, 2010 12:15 PM

    Mumbo jumbo, mumbo jumbo mumbo jumbo.
    Is he the first or not? Can’t tell by reading this…

  14. WTE says: Apr 17, 2010 12:16 PM

    You deserve to be suspended when you’re constantly walking around with your junk hanging outside your pants.

  15. christopher says: Apr 17, 2010 12:20 PM

    Florio you of all people, being the legal mind that you are understands society is just like this – nothing is a crime until you get caught – I can drive drunk on a routine basis and never get caught – yet someone else who drives drunk get’s caught forces society to punish – but in the big picture of right and wrong – we are both equally criminals.
    These clowns are paid a lot of money based upon an image that they NFL sells – if the mess that up – they get punished.

  16. bluestree says: Apr 17, 2010 12:20 PM

    “and the league’s investigation uncovers any “know it when we see it” proof of behavior that falls short of the ambiguous ideal”
    I thinks that’s how the personal conduct policy will work moving forward if that’s how the Roethlisberber case is handled; allegations come out, the league investigates, and a subjective judgement is made, with grievances to follow. It is a slippery slope, but very much in keeping with the tone of our society.
    “Send lawyers, guns and money, the shit has hit the fan!”
    Seems there would be less pitfalls if the team meeted out a punishment after putting heads together with the league. As the specific brand that is tarnished, they are more aggrieved.

  17. Zach says: Apr 17, 2010 12:22 PM

    If Roethlisberger played in Cincinnati he’d be suspended a month ago. I guess this is the problem with 1 man has the power to punish, then when you appeal it goes back to that 1 man.

  18. snnyjcbs says: Apr 17, 2010 12:24 PM

    Well maybe it is about time they do. Because what ever they have been doing is not working. The whole thing is a joke to the players and the slap on the hands and treating these men like they are 13 year olds that have to grow up is a joke.

  19. Jaydub says: Apr 17, 2010 12:25 PM

    If he isn’t suspended for at least 4 games, they may as well throw the rule book out the window and let these idiots run wild. At that point, I’ll simply stop paying attention to the NFL

  20. bigbran73 says: Apr 17, 2010 12:27 PM

    lol! THATS FUNNY

  21. jftreshj76 says: Apr 17, 2010 12:37 PM

    No player has ever been suspended who has not been charged or arrested for a criminal offense or violated the PED mandates. The 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution protect all U.S citizens from being judged guilty before innocence rather than the opposite. Any one in the private sector who violates this principle in effect is placing himself above the U.S. Constitution. The 1st Amendment protects against libel, slander, defamation of character and “restriction of trade”. Any “negative attention” the NFL or the Steeler orginization has received is because of false accusations by liars. No one knows nor can prove what happened behind that bathroom door. No one can prove substantive “wrongdoing”, a subjective and silly term in and of itself. I hope Ben sues the NFL and the Rooneys for $150 million each. With a good lawyer or two he’ll own the Steelers organization within the next 3 years.

  22. stnmmc says: Apr 17, 2010 12:39 PM

    # QJ1984 says: April 17, 2010 11:55 AM
    Although, I do believe Marshall has atleast been arrested, he was never charged or convicted for either of his domestic disputes and he still recieved a 3 game suspension in 2007. But that was before he was a probowl player.
    I know he also had the McDonalds bag incident that could be strike 3 but lets not forget Pig Ben damn near killed him self when he was riding that bike without a helmet, which is a against the law. There is precedent for a suspension set already.
    ——————————————–
    Actually, Q, it is NOT illegal in PA to ride sans helmet. It is completely fukking stupid, but not illegal.

  23. Raider8Earl says: Apr 17, 2010 12:39 PM

    This is going to get progressively worse for the Steelers and the NFL. The new Mike Vick! Poster boy for bad.

  24. last starfighter says: Apr 17, 2010 12:39 PM

    I think a full season suspension is the shortest acceptable punishment. This guy is the biggest piece of trash in the league and has the worst character. If I’m a steeler fan and the team doesn’t trade him or release him, there is no way I could support the team any longer. Justice and incarceration for sex offenders is much much more important than my team winning football games. While I’m glad most of their fans have renounced him, I am absolutely sickened by those fans trying to excuse or dismiss his actions and attitude towards them.

  25. wyoff says: Apr 17, 2010 12:41 PM

    Some of you people want to see a white QB go down so bad that you’ll believe any allegation against him, no matter how little evidence there is or how many times the accuser and her friends contradict each other.
    You can feel free to tell the truth- you just want to call Roethlisberger a rapist, facts be damned.
    You’d believe their story if they said that Roethlisberger drilled a hole in the accusers’s leg with a power drill, sexually violated it, and then miraculously healed it to cover up his evil deeds.

  26. dakotah says: Apr 17, 2010 12:45 PM

    QJ1984, its not against the law to ride a motorcycle without a helmet in Pennsylvania if you’re over 21 and have a motorcycle license.
    OK, that’s the extent of my defense of Roethlisberger. Suspend him.

  27. edgy1957 says: Apr 17, 2010 12:45 PM

    Not getting caught or more importantly, outed has been the standard in the NFL for as long as I can remember. When Ball Four and North Dallas Forty came out, the public were shown a side of the players that the owners, players and even the fans didn’t want anyone to see. For many of the fans, the players (at least on their team) were angels and role models for their kids. Teams could hush up incidents and people didn’t really know what kind of miscreants their favorite players were and all was well in the world.
    I don’t think that players are more out of control, as much as they’re at more risk of being exposed. The press went after the players more after those two books came out but they were nothing compared to what players have to put up with today. Instead of 3 TV news outlets and a radio station or two, today’s players have to put up with far more TV news outlets, 2 or 3 Bob And Jim Bob Sports Rants shows on the radio and the Internet. Scandals are instant news and can go on for weeks and months because some people can’t get enough of them. 50 years ago, Ben would have been untouchable and now, he can’t even touch himself without being scrutinized.
    Some may disagree but if Goodell suspends him, he’s going to put the fear of God into far more playrs than before and people will pay more attention to the NFL for what’s going on the field and not off of it.

  28. dabarber says: Apr 17, 2010 12:55 PM

    Someone needs to get this Donkey Puncher a C**k Sock–it gets cold in Pitt in the winter and apparently his rape stick is always hanging out.

  29. winslow says: Apr 17, 2010 1:01 PM

    If Roethlisberger played in Cincinnati he’d be suspended a month ago.

    If Roethlisberger played for the Bengals, he would be the most wholesome guy on the team.

  30. .RebaTe says: Apr 17, 2010 1:07 PM

    # BuckFigBen says: April 17, 2010 12:12 PM
    “The Steelers will forever tarnish their integrity as soon as he puts on that number jersey and plays for them again. ”
    Ooooh, we’re going to talk about integrity now?
    OK…
    Who’s your team?
    Buncha choir boys I bet, and always have been too, huh?
    Got the nuts to answer?
    / u been called out

  31. bluestree says: Apr 17, 2010 1:11 PM

    “Some of you people want to see a white QB go down so bad that you’ll believe any allegation against him…”
    OK, Rush, thanks for the race card. I’m gonna put it in the spokes of my bike!

  32. steelerfan9598 says: Apr 17, 2010 1:16 PM

    “Pig Ben damn near killed him self when he was riding that bike without a helmet, which is a against the law”
    Pennsylvania doesn’t have a helmet law – dumb ass

  33. CKL says: Apr 17, 2010 1:19 PM

    8ball says:
    April 17, 2010 11:55 AM
    .
    007…License to Rape
    ________________________
    I am so going to hell because I laughed my behind off at this. Good one!
    ______________________________
    edgy1957 says:
    April 17, 2010 12:45 PM
    I don’t think that players are more out of control, as much as they’re at more risk of being exposed.
    ________________________________
    That’s an excellent point. The sport attracts high testosterone risk takers in general. The sport is physical & aggressive (no thanks to Bill Polian..but I digress. :D) More guys who are this way are going to be attracted to football than to say, being an accountant. I mean Max McGee played in SB I drunk off his ass didn’t he? And he’s kind of beloved for it.
    I am a Pats fan and I have never for one nanosecond believed that the NFL has any business suspending BR with no charges unless he lied to the commissioner in his conversation and there’s proof he lied. The TEAM AND TEAM ALONE should be the ones to do this if they so choose. And the talk I hear of possibly fining the Steelers is laughable. Goodell is a jackoff if he does that. What are the Rooneys? Ben’s DAD or something? Give me a break. I’ll tell you this, if they consider the Rooneys or any owner responsible to that extent for doglike players, then if I were the Rooneys I would put an effign SHOCK COLLAR on BR and an invisible fence around his house.

  34. v4vagiants says: Apr 17, 2010 1:21 PM

    I hope Ray Lewis murders this greaseball.

  35. Deb says: Apr 17, 2010 1:33 PM

    My argument has been that Goodell shouldn’t suspend because it would set a precedent and give the appearance that he’s caving to race-baiting and mob mentality. I believe any suspension should come from the Steelers as his direct employers.
    But edgy1957 is right. This has been the NFL lifestyle from the get-go. Max McGee was half drunk when he scored the first touchdown in Super Bowl I. Anyone unfamiliar with NFL off-field life should rent “North Dallas Forty”–both the book and screenplay were written by former Cowboys wideout Peter Gent.
    If the NFL wants to put real fear into its players, maybe making an example of a high-profile player is the way to start. But I expect it will have as much long-term success as suspending high school students has in keeping them from behaving like idiots.

  36. wyoff says: Apr 17, 2010 1:34 PM

    “bluestree-
    OK, Rush, thanks for the race card.”
    Yeah, pretend like I’m the one who pulled it.
    The race card’s been pulled for weeks now. Your side has been constantly spouting that Ben’s a sexual deviant criminal rapist mastermind who has hired thugs / dirty cops who kidnap girls for him to drug and rape, but he gets away with it scott free because he’s white.
    I filp that sordid narrative and all the sudden I’m the race baiter. Nice try. That hypocrisy is part of the reason why I don’t take your lynch mob mentality seriously.

  37. edgy1957 says: Apr 17, 2010 1:38 PM

    stnmmc says:
    Actually, Q, it is NOT illegal in PA to ride sans helmet. It is completely fukking stupid, but not illegal.
    ********************************
    No but he legally couldn’t ride a motorcycle in PA, helmet or no helmet.

  38. jonesy1124 says: Apr 17, 2010 1:39 PM

    With all of this can we still stop the racist garbage???

  39. Dick says: Apr 17, 2010 1:44 PM

    Only a lawyer can write eleven paragraphs and wind up with nothing said.

  40. dabarber says: Apr 17, 2010 1:46 PM

    I have a feeling that the players in the NFL are like inmates in jail–they don’t like rapists or child molesters.

  41. edgy1957 says: Apr 17, 2010 1:55 PM

    edgy1957 says:
    That’s an excellent point. The sport attracts high
    I am a Pats fan and I have never for one nanosecond believed that the NFL has any business suspending BR with no charges unless he lied to the commissioner in his conversation and there’s proof he lied
    *************************
    First of all, I meant to say “I don’t think that players are more out of control NOW, as much as they’re at more risk of being exposed.” People tend to talk about today’s players as if they invented sin and that the guys back in the “golden age” were pure.
    The commish HAS to suspend him. Right or wrong, he’s got a perception problem and if he doesn’t do it himself, he’s going to find himself with an even bigger credibility problem. Besides, the teams have shown that if the commish DIDN’T do anything, they’ve glossed over the players’ behavior time and time again. The worst that some guys got from the team was a “Tsk, tsk” and then all was well. Goodell’s heavy-handedness has been a direct result of the owners ignoring the problem (as they did with steroids, greenies and HGH in MLB).
    One thing of note that many of you may not understand: the NFL won’t be fining the Steelers as some sort of way of getting their attention for this incident, it goes with a suspension (The Steelers are on the hook for a fine for the suspension that’s coming for Holmes. If Ben avoids a suspension then they’ll end up paying $100K but if he gets up to 4 games, it’ll double it to $200K). When a player is suspended, his team is also fined.

  42. funi says: Apr 17, 2010 1:56 PM

    Has anyone been suspended without being charged is the question!

  43. edgy1957 says: Apr 17, 2010 1:59 PM

    winslow says:
    If Roethlisberger played for the Bengals, he would be the most wholesome guy on the team.
    ****************************
    Really, so you believe that he’s more wholesome than Carson Palmer? PLEASE. I think that you can find a lot of guys, black, white or orange on the Bengals that are more wholesome.

  44. last starfighter says: Apr 17, 2010 2:05 PM

    # jftreshj76 says: April 17, 2010 12:37 PM
    No player has ever been suspended who has not been charged or arrested for a criminal offense or violated the PED mandates. The 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution protect all U.S citizens from being judged guilty before innocence rather than the opposite. Any one in the private sector who violates this principle in effect is placing himself above the U.S. Constitution. The 1st Amendment protects against libel, slander, defamation of character and “restriction of trade”. Any “negative attention” the NFL or the Steeler orginization has received is because of false accusations by liars. No one knows nor can prove what happened behind that bathroom door. No one can prove substantive “wrongdoing”, a subjective and silly term in and of itself. I hope Ben sues the NFL and the Rooneys for $150 million each. With a good lawyer or two he’ll own the Steelers organization within the next 3 years.
    ————————————————
    You are a complete idiot with no understanding of the constitution or the league whatsoever. 1st off, PacMan Jones was never convicted and he was suspended. Second, the NFL and the Steelers are businesses that reserve the right to terminate or suspend employees for misconduct just like any other business. Big Ben belongs in prison and you need a serious attitude adjustment at the end of a size 16 boot for defending this pr*ck.

  45. spyboots says: Apr 17, 2010 2:21 PM

    Ben: “There was sexual contact, but it was not consumated.”
    (So he stopped when she changed her mind and said, “No.”)
    That is not rape.

  46. War_Paint says: Apr 17, 2010 2:28 PM

    The reason some are bagging on Ben is because they believe he’s a serial sex offender and not because he’s a white QB. Playing the race card is bull shit wither you’re defending Roethlisberger or Vick. Either way you’re a race pimp and being a jerk over someone you don’t actually know. It’s pathetic.

  47. zod says: Apr 17, 2010 2:30 PM

    So Paul Hornung and Alex Karras didn’t get a season off? Is that what you’re saying?

  48. robert ethan says: Apr 17, 2010 2:34 PM

    On the field, Roethlisberger now has about 30 centimeters of rope to work with. One slump and the fans will turn on him like ravenous dogs.

  49. bluestree says: Apr 17, 2010 2:35 PM

    @Wyoff; I’ve never said Ben is guilty of rape. I don’t know if he is. I said he was guilty of having sexual contact in a public place. Big difference. Maybe not criminal. Still enough to get you suspended.
    A lot of posters have said he’s getting off easy because he’s white. Others have said he’s getting off easy because he’s rich. (I guess that’s playing the wealth card, but that doesn’t seem to bother anybody). I can’t say for sure if either is true, but rich and white never seems to hurt your chances (unless you take a wrong turn and get a flat tire in South Central L.A.).
    My post was referring to the way you used the term “white quarterback”, playing on Rush Limbaugh’s infamous “black quarterback” shibacle. The “spokes of my bike” part was an attempt to balance my post with some levity.
    I tried to inject a wee bit of humor in order to distance myself from commentors like you.
    Your endless defenses of Ben have been as shrill as they have been numerous. On some threads it seems you are every other post. Many have been very nasty as regards the alleged victim, so I wouldn’t get so sanctimonious regarding Ben’s presumed innocence if I were you.
    If you care, check my posts. I’m not part of any lynchmob. I agree with you, there does seem to be one, probably because so many of us have sisters and daughters. It’s an emotinal issue.
    I predicted a two game suspension, by the team not the league. But as I read more and more comments from irate Steeler fans, I maybe misjudged.
    Oh well, so did Ben. To say the least.

  50. shadow2578 says: Apr 17, 2010 2:50 PM

    first let me state that i am a huge steelers fan and always have been. but i do think that big ben should be suspended for at least 8 games. i honestly would hate to lose a franchise qb over the fact that the dude has a hard time getting laid. but i do think he should be punished and suspended, 8 games i think is fair and just but he hasn’t been charged or suspended so he might would file a grievance with the nflpa and such. maybe kordell stewart or bubby brister would want to play for 8 games, hell tommy maddox could be servicable lol

  51. badthings says: Apr 17, 2010 2:52 PM

    They have been saying that because it looks to be true, not because he happens to be a white qb, you are really grasping at straws.

  52. Dogsweat says: Apr 17, 2010 3:06 PM

    Chester Uselessburger, gets a free pass because:
    White.
    White.
    White.
    White.
    White.

  53. Spoonthis says: Apr 17, 2010 3:10 PM

    Stay sick last starfighter, stay sick.
    Sex offenders are arrested and convicted. Ben has not been. He is a dirtbag but that is not a crime. Keep crying and keep being disgusted.

  54. Revolution22 says: Apr 17, 2010 3:19 PM

    The National Football League will be a laughing stock, and a target for much criticizm if they do not suspend him for at least the 2 games that has been floated around. And they better be regular season games as well.

  55. SoFlor Steeler says: Apr 17, 2010 3:27 PM

    All you folks who want Ben castrated need to Google Michael Irvin and explain to me why one guy is getting all this crap and the other is in the Hall of Fame…
    Good lead for your next stir the waters post Florio – explain why Ben is a worse citizen than a Cowboy coke head…

  56. Deb says: Apr 17, 2010 3:39 PM

    @last starfighter …
    Pacman Jones had three years of multiple arrests, charges, and guilty pleas before being suspended by the league. Please check your facts.

  57. madbombersays says: Apr 17, 2010 3:49 PM

    BenJAMintheass, this fag first tried to lure me in the bathroom, sure I was drunk but it doesnt make it right. What would my wife say, Im a married man

  58. .RebaTe says: Apr 17, 2010 4:04 PM

    # .RebaTe says: April 17, 2010 1:07 PM
    # BuckFigBen says: April 17, 2010 12:12 PM
    “OK…
    Who’s your team?

    Got the nuts to answer?
    / u been called out”
    BuckFigBen officially wimps out.
    All mouth. No ass.
    You’re what we call in the ‘Burgh, a jagoff.
    LMAO

  59. edgy1957 says: Apr 17, 2010 4:32 PM

    Spoonthis says:
    Stay sick last starfighter, stay sick.
    Sex offenders are arrested and convicted
    *****************************
    Someone once said to me that the liberals had screwed up this country so much and that’s why there were so many sex offenders today. The problem is that it isn’t true. The reason why there are so many offenders today as compared to the ’50s, ’60s or ’70s is the fact that people are no longer living with the shame. The sex abuse scandals in the Catholic church go back decades and a lot of people who covered abuse by their family started coming forward after people like Oprah talked about how they were abused. There was also a time when rape victims had almost no rights and it took a long time for
    Sexual predators count on the fact that their victims will more likely keep quiet and in some cases, convince themselves that they’re the ones responsible for the abuse (Less than half of all rapes or sexual assaults are reported and that’s actually a big increase over 50 years ago when the crimes existed but reporting them was unheard of). With GHB, it’s a lot easier for a predator to get away with it than when alcohol alone is involved.
    Sex offenders DO get away with it, a lot more than you think.

  60. wyoff says: Apr 17, 2010 4:48 PM

    –bluestree
    Your endless defenses of Ben have been as shrill as they have been numerous. On some threads it seems you are every other post. Many have been very nasty as regards the alleged victim, so I wouldn’t get so sanctimonious regarding Ben’s presumed innocence if I were you.–
    You’re damn right I’ve been shrill- you have to be when you’re dealing with an army of shrill lunatics whipped up into a moral panic. By the way, I’m flattered that you’re following my posts.
    I don’t think that I’ve been particularly harsh towards the accuser. Unlike some misguided people, I’ve never called her a “whore” or a “slut.” I might just seem harsh because I’m not one of the few who’s not automatically and unquestionably buying the idea that the accuser is blameless, truthful, and forthright. She might be truthful, she might not be. I’ve read the documents, and I think find her story to be less than coherent and persuasive.
    As for Roethlisberger, I don’t know whether he’s innocent or not. I’ve read through the documents (not just the tidbits posted by people like Florio for whom controversy is money), and I think that it was at worst a drunken misunderstanding. I can understand why the DA didn’t bring charges. Regardless, I think Roethlsiberger’s a total moron for going on these public binge drinking trips and that he needs to clean up his act.
    Nevertheless, I’ve been appalled at how 1. so many people are taking the accuser and her posse’s word at face value without looking any further; 2. So many people are ignoring anything that may call the accuser’s story into question; and 3. So many people desperately want to make this a race issue. Thus, I’ve felt compelled to come in and defend him. Media lynchings are wrong- the controversy driven infotainment industry is destroying our country, and this is just one relatively unimportant example of their corrosive ways.

  61. contract says: Apr 17, 2010 5:35 PM

    If the NFLPA allows a player to get suspended under the Personal Conduct Policy without so much as probable cause having been established … then they are just stealing money from the players. If they allow the Commissioner to give himself the power to suspend players without first establishing objective standards of conduct, then they may as well close down shop because they are useless.
    What stops Goodell from suspending a player for watering his lawn on the wrong day of the week? What stops him from suspending a player for dating Janet Jackson (or Justin Timberlake)?
    And Florio you hack … Pacman was on probation. He had been charged and arrested numerous times.

  62. robert ethan says: Apr 17, 2010 6:01 PM

    In an effort to repair a badly damaged team image and gain international acclaim, the Rooney family today took an unprecedented step.
    They will send a barge to Sub Saharan Africa to help alleviate the hunger crisis. Two players, Ben Roethlisberger and Willie Colon will be on board. When it arrives in Niger it is expected that the ample, (but otherwise worthless), carcasses of the two fat asses will help stave off impending famine for weeks, if not months.

  63. .RebaTe says: Apr 17, 2010 7:19 PM

    # robert ethan says: April 17, 2010 6:01 PM
    “In an effort to repair a badly damaged team image and gain international acclaim, the Rooney family today took an unprecedented step….”
    I actually feel sorry for you, that you have absolutely nothing better to do all day long, than sit around and commit such mindless sub-moronic stupidity to writing, and still sound proud of your “work” in the process.

  64. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Apr 17, 2010 7:22 PM

    # Dogsweat says: April 17, 2010 3:06 PM
    Chester Uselessburger, gets a free pass because:
    White.
    White.
    White.
    White.
    White.
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    You are a race baiting POS pal. White & Black has nothing to do with this! But with black racists, black & white is the premise for EVERYTHING. You should be ashamed to use race with EVERY situation, but then again except situations where minorities make out, then never is racism uttered…

  65. jftreshj76 says: Apr 17, 2010 10:32 PM

    laststarfighter Read it again moron. I said: No one has ever been suspended who has not been charged or arrested. I said nothing about convicted. Pacman Jones was arrested six times before he was suspended. Since no one can prove what happened behind that closed door, Ben should sue Goodell, the NFL, and the Rooneys for libel, slander, defamation of character and restriction of trade (you’ll find that in the Sherman Act, Article 1.). A U.S. citizen is protected by the U.S. Constitution and is to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. Anyone who does otherwise is violating Ben’s civil rights. Have you noticed how Goodell and Art Rooney were very careful in their choice of words to avoid slander? Have you wondered why they’re taking 2 weeks to decide disciplinary action? What more can they find out in the next two weeks? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Right? So why wait? They’re hoping things cool down and NFL fans get focused on the draft and not them and Ben. Why? Because they have about two dozen lawyers each trying to figure out how to mete out “punishment” when they can’t prove a damn thing! And yet satisfy vindictive pricks who want blood. And avoid a lawsuit. If Ben plays this out right he’ll own the Pittsburgh Steelers! Schadenfreude. Look it up. Rocksthefurberger rules!

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