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Evidence emerges of a botched investigation in Georgia

There’s a common misconception that prosecutors often are inclined to give high-profile suspects a pass.  If anything, the reverse is true; prosecutors realize that law enforcement has limited budgets and a broad mandate that includes the deterrence of crime.  By targeting folks who are famous, the deterrent effect has maximum impact.  Every phase of the proceedings receives widespread attention, creating an extended commercial for the justice system.

The reality is that the seeds of a big-name guy (or girl) getting a pass often are planted at the front lines, by the things police do, or fail to do.  The latest item from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette points out that several flaws in the investigation regarding the claim of sexual assault against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, which may have prevented the collection of potentially incriminating evidence — and that also would have given lawyer Ed Garland plenty of fodder for a jury finding of reasonable doubt.

Most glaringly, the police failed to seal the alleged crime scene, a five-foot-wide bathroom in the dark recesses of a Milledgeville, Georgia nightclub.  Per Jonathan D. Silver of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, roughly eight hours after the alleged incident, a janitor “scrubbed the sink, floor and toilet with Clorox and Pine-Sol.”  (Our guess is that it’s the first time the sink, floor, and toilet in question ever were scrubbed with Clorox and Pine-Sol.)  Not surprisingly, the eventual attempt to gather evidence from the bathroom yielded nothing, other than the delightful odor of Clorox and Pine-Sol masking the funk of a five-foot-wide bathroom in the dark recesses of a Milledgeville, Georgia nightclub.

Review of the available documents by Pitt law professor Alexander Lindsay, a former federal and state prosecutor, resulted in a conclusion that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation “worked the hell out of the case but it was muffed at the beginning.”

In response, Milledgeville police chief Woodrow Blue claims that it was “of no consequence” that the bathroom had not been sealed off.  (We can understand why he’d say that; we can’t understand why anyone would believe it.  Including Blue.)

Then there’s now-former Milledgeville police officer Jerry Blash, who posed for a picture with Roethlisberger before being asked by colleague Willie Goddard to look into the allegation of sexual assault.  Blash’s reports reflected that the alleged victim said she wasn’t raped.  The statements from the alleged victim and her friends, though having some internal consistencies that independently could have created reasonable doubt in the mind of a jury, were consistent as to the claim of non-consensual sex.

(In this regard, keep in mind that the rape kit turned up only trace evidence of male DNA, and insufficient amount to allow a sample from Roethlisberger to be compared to it.  That alone could have derailed a conviction, especially if Roethlisberger’s defense at trial was premised on the position that there was no sexual contact, consensual or otherwise.)  

At one point, Blash and the alleged victim “argued on the street with voices raised” regarding whether Blash would take a formal report, according to the alleged victim’s friends.  Said GBI special agent Ryan Carmichael, “Blash was frustrated because the victim could barely stand, and that pissed Blash off. . . .  The victim’s friends got on Blash’s nerves because he kept asking them were they back there
with her, and they said no.”

The article from Silver also points out just how close authorities came to securing an interview with Roethlisberger, a rare occurrence in criminal probes.  On March 8, investigators were negotiating with Garland the terms of a possible sit-down.  Garland was considering making Roethlisberger available if the authorities would first provide details of the allegations.  (Garland would say that he wanted this information to ensure that Roethlisberger didn’t inadvertently misrepresent indisputable facts not known to Garland; if Garland were being candid, he’d admit that he also wanted to be sure that his client didn’t intentionally misrepresent indisputable facts not known to Garland, either.  Put another way, Garland didn’t want Roethlisberger to unwittingly walk into a lie.)

It appeared that the swap would occur, but then district attorney Fred Bright informed a gathering of top prosecutors and investigators that he already had given the information to Garland.  (Apparently, Bright’s mentor was Gerald Poindexter.)

None of this means that Roethlisberger did what the alleged victim claims he did.  But it shows just how hard it would have been to get a conviction under the very high standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  And given that the alleged victim’s family was leery of the Milledgeville police department — and possibly resigned to the fact that the alleged victim’s version of the events never would be vindicated in a court of law — it’s not surprising that the alleged victim opted not to proceed, especially if at some point between March 5 and March 17 she received a confidential financial offer aimed at securing a full release of all claims she could make against Roethlisberger.
 
The justice system has one fundamental purpose:  the pursuit of truth.  In this case, the truth will never be fully known, due to the apparent actions and inactions of authorities, the bungling of the opportunity to talk to Roethlisberger, and the eventual decision that, given the holes in the investigation, no jury would ever reject Ed Garland’s silver-tongued, “if it don’t fit you must acquit” call for a finding of “reasonable doubt,” the two words that have kept many truly guilty men out of prison all in the hopes of ensuring that the innocents among us will never be thrown wrongfully in jail.

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182 Responses to “Evidence emerges of a botched investigation in Georgia”
  1. savocabol1 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:28 AM

    Your rants have become increasingly more Tony Kornheiser-ish lately.

  2. Mean D says: Apr 18, 2010 11:33 AM

    He raped her.

  3. daffx4 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:35 AM

    You just raped my eyes with this post.

  4. funi says: Apr 18, 2010 11:36 AM

    If all this happened, why did her and the family drop the charges? Did they not want the world to knwo that she is a drunken slut who does guys in bathroom stalls? I hope the media gets her name and show what a liar this girl is!!!

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  6. winslow says: Apr 18, 2010 11:39 AM

    “The justice system has one fundamental purpose: the pursuit of truth.”
    Theoretically.
    In reality, the purpose is to keep the trains running on time, as Supreme Court Justice Scalia ruled in a Texas death penalty case. The actual goal of the courts is to move cases efficiently through the system, justice be damned.
    “..in the hopes of ensuring that the innocents among us will never be thrown wrongfully in jail.”
    How charmingly naive. The advent of DNA testing has confirmed that death row is heavily populated by people whom science verifies cannot possibly be guilty.
    Meanwhile, vile skanks like Roethlisberger skate. I am wondering which member of the Pyle family botched the semen test on the victim.
    Probably Goober.

  7. INVAIDUH says: Apr 18, 2010 11:39 AM

    So you’re saying “CSI Geogia” isn’t in the works….
    Ha…Yer QB is a rapist….. sixxxburghhhhh…
    AAAAAAhhahahahahahhh….
    low n’ no class Dirtburgh….GFY.

  8. Jumbotron84 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:40 AM

    Sounds like ‘Berger just being ‘Berger. Getting away with it cause he can… I bet that bar has plans to get remodeled with a mysterious wad of cash that happened on the owners desk…
    This world is jacked up. I have little doubt in my mind Ben absolutely raped her and he is getting away with this. He better learn his lesson when the league bans him for 4-8 games … I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time cause I think that girl wanted Ben – but he better mind his P’s and Q’s cause he won’t get off so easily next time.

  9. joetoronto says: Apr 18, 2010 11:40 AM

    “Botched” is your opinion, and your entitled to it, Mike.
    Some might call all this missing evidence a cover up though.

  10. Michael LaRocca says: Apr 18, 2010 11:40 AM

    A girl went to Roethlisberger’s house and asked for a double entendre, so Big Ben gave her one.

  11. brownsfn says: Apr 18, 2010 11:40 AM

    F*cking scumbag should be rotting in jail…if it was joe shmo he would have already been convicted…

  12. .RebaTe says: Apr 18, 2010 11:41 AM

    G’morning BuckFigBen!
    I know you’re here. You can’t control the urge to flap your gums in every Steelers post.
    Sooo… come out come out wherever you are…
    You can’t hide forever.
    Interesting though, how when you questioned the integrity of the Steelers organization, you made your point by running and hiding like a 6 year old girl.
    Your integrity, along with any semblance of balls, is non-existent.

  13. robert ethan says: Apr 18, 2010 11:42 AM

    I think you misinterpreted the Bright/Garland exchange. The deal was set up and approved by both sides. Bright gave his information, then Garland welched. Don’t blame it on Bright. If you go to Starbucks, ask for a cappucino and hand the server $2 you expect a cappucino. If the person changes their mind about giving you the drink once they have the money, is it your fault?
    Did you “botch” the exchange?

  14. Hannibalsmith 63 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:43 AM

    This just seals it for me. Ben should have been 2011 MVP: most vonerable prisoner! What an @$$hole! He should be suspended indefinitely! Or at least until he does something else that won’t be screwed up by the authorities. Because he is a repeat sb winner and repeat offender! Just give him a chance. It’s gonna happen!

  15. wryly1 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:45 AM

    Thanx, Mike. There are still some idiots who think that because Roethlisberger wasn’t prosecuted, that he is therefore automatically or necessarily ‘innocent’. Police, Prosecutors and Courts do not find people ‘innocent’. There is no such verdict. That’s not what the judicial systemd does. It only tests the evidence to determine what is provable.
    No doubt, the first cop on the scene, Blash, was as, or more, star-struck than the coeds in the bar, but at least they had the excuse of being drunk, for their judgment or behavior. The cop had no such excuse.

  16. se18a29 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:45 AM

    Keystone cops, rapistberger and good ol South…. Hahahahahhaahaaahh

  17. chewboc says: Apr 18, 2010 11:47 AM

    Tell the other part of the story too, Mike. The investigation might have been shoddy in some spots, but the PG article also discusses how the alleged victim never did get a clear or consistent story put together. One cannot impute malice or dishonesty on her part by that fact, but it raises the question not just of whether the alleged crime could be proven beyone a reasonable doubt, but whether improper conduct could be proven by a preponderance of the evidence, or whether anything improper (other than the moron putting himself in this position) took place. As portrayed by the PG, I’m not sure how the facts could be any more ambiguous. If anything, I think the PG’s analysis leads to far less certainty that Ben assaulted the girl than what most of PGH, and America have already deemed to be a strong likelihood if not a fact.

  18. fc1_87 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:47 AM

    I’ve been bashing Ben from the start of this. But after reading the report and some of the analysis. It all boils down to he said she said. And the part about one of the off duty cops from PA stating the Ben told this girl to leave because she was blitzed. Well it all comes down to who do you believe?
    I still think Ben is a dip shit for even being in there in the first place. Had he just gone home to party with is buds and some women (not girls). This would not even be a topic today.
    He’s a big dummy.

  19. bluestree says: Apr 18, 2010 11:47 AM

    Answers the question as to why former Officer Blash resigned. It also raises the question as to whether the alleged victime ever made statements attributed to her about not being raped, “kind of” being raped, etc.
    This information coming out is bad for Ben. If the public perception is that he got off because an investigation was botched or even thwarted by actions of others, his punishment may be even more severe.
    It also heightens the perception that Ben “lawyered up” and refused to cooperate with the investigation not to protect himself from overzealous prosecution, but because he was guilty. Add the recorded over security cams and a thourough disinfecting of the alleged crimescene. This makes him look guilty as sin.
    It was alleged there was a rape in the employee bathroom, and club management responds by bleaching the room?
    If the alleged victim has not received a cash settlement, I think her bottom line is going up daily.

  20. UckTheFeagles says: Apr 18, 2010 11:48 AM

    Rape, assult, conspiracy, corrupt cops, botched investigation, 4 victims and counting, this thing is out of control. This guy should be doing YEARS in prison.
    I guess money does buy freedom. Big Ben, the OJ of the NFL.

  21. FloriosHairHat says: Apr 18, 2010 11:49 AM

    “The justice system has one fundamental purpose: the pursuit of truth.”
    Coming from someone claiming to be an attorney, this is total bullshit, and you know it.
    Truth, Honesty, Fairness, are all fine ideals, but they serve no place whatsoever in a court of law. Only the most naive thumb-suckers believe it does. That’s not how it works at all.

  22. Gaiterdan65 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:50 AM

    Good article,
    It’s pretty terrible that this is the system we (well, really YOU, as I am Canadian, and we treat rape like a crime in my country) are forced to deal with.
    The hypocrisy and double standard is insane. They muff the case because its Roethlisberger. People in positions of authority right down to the club janitor were all encouraged to help screw this case up because a rich white guy was the suspect.
    If a poor, marginalized, or dare I say, minority, would have raped this white, privileged college student, we can all guess what happens.
    Money talks, baby.

  23. The Devil says: Apr 18, 2010 11:50 AM

    no mention of being DTF?

  24. robert ethan says: Apr 18, 2010 11:50 AM

    Blash was an idiot and a jerk, and doesn’t deserve his job, but then look at the rest of Milledgeville’s finest in the picture with Roethlisberger. Borderline defective hillbillies. They make Pig Pen look wholesome by comparison.
    The dago greaseballs Barravecchio and Zimmina fingered Blash to get themselves off the hook, but his stupidity wasn’t instrumental in wrecking the case.

  25. vikingsuperbowls=0 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:51 AM

    this is all speculation and hearsay and you sir have just beaten the dead horse too many times.
    let it go…for your sanity’s sake buddy.\
    i demand to hear fromt he janitor! he must be on the take…
    p.s. – vikes still suck

  26. FloriosHairHat says: Apr 18, 2010 11:52 AM

    “Said GBI special agent Ryan Carmichael, “Blash was frustrated because the victim could barely stand, and that pissed Blash off. . . . The victim’s firends got on Blash’s nerves because he kept asking them were they back there with her, and they said no.”
    No problem.
    Just ask any of the nutjobs like “Child_Please!”, “trickbunny” and “Outlaw Josey Whales”.
    They were all eyewitnesses.

  27. BigBear123 says: Apr 18, 2010 11:56 AM

    Wonder if the “alledged” victim will also pursue a lawsuit against the police department. Most lawsuits against municipalities have a dollar cap on them, but if she does it will reveal more info whether Ben settled or not.

  28. lebowski says: Apr 18, 2010 11:58 AM

    Sue the hell out of that keystone cop department.

  29. TominNH says: Apr 18, 2010 11:58 AM

    Ben raped that girl! And he got away with it!

  30. FreeAgentPro says: Apr 18, 2010 12:01 PM

    Spontaneous celebrity sex always exposes them to financial claims. Maybe celebrity athletes should carry a waiver form that their ‘victims’ have to sign before proceeding: the ‘ No means YES’ form.

  31. Florios'Lawyer says: Apr 18, 2010 12:02 PM

    So what do we have here so far?
    An incompetent local police force (apparently any earlier references to Barney Fife were overly generous), a dumb-as-a-brick DA named Bright (chuckle), a shady club owner (see missing surveillance recordings) and as already established, a lying skank (see fake ID), who wears “Down To F*ck” t-shirts while drinking herself brain-dead.
    Oh yeah.
    Ben Roethlisberger’s undeniable carved-in-stone guilt is written all over this story…
    Pfffft.

  32. Kevin DuBrow says: Apr 18, 2010 12:02 PM

    the quarterback for the steelers is a rapist.

  33. I HATE mike florio says: Apr 18, 2010 12:02 PM

    “Our guess is that it’s the first time the sink, floor, and toilet in question ever were scrubbed with Clorox and Pine-Sol.”
    florio, you are such a dickhead, I hear that you were a Steeler fan, notice that’s past tense as I hope you are not now with all this crap you keep reaching for.

  34. I HATE mike florio says: Apr 18, 2010 12:04 PM

    flori0 should be listed on the “Turd Watch”

  35. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 12:05 PM

    I hope everyone involved feels terrible guilt the next time he rapes a chick.
    Well, except for Ben of course. Having no conscience and no sense of right and wrong brings about the pleasant side effect of also never feeling guilt.

  36. Ralphie says: Apr 18, 2010 12:06 PM

    So he did rape her. That scumbag.
    If you put the Big Pervert and Terry Bradshaw in the same room the aggregate IQ would be 20.
    Bradshaw: 6 IQ
    Big Ben: 4 IQ
    The table and chairs: 10 IQ

  37. Obeah says: Apr 18, 2010 12:07 PM

    I also have been out of touch, did Roethlisberger rape a male. or female Pitbull

  38. JOldewurtel says: Apr 18, 2010 12:07 PM

    Olympic ‘bomber’ Richard Jewell
    Ray Lewis
    Jamal Lewis
    and now Ben Roethlisberger
    Georgia authorities are an absolute joke.
    (I, for one, predicted the ‘authorities’ to mess this up in one way shape or form.)
    Mike Nifong (Duke Lacrosse case) would fit right in in Georgia!!!

  39. contraryguy says: Apr 18, 2010 12:08 PM

    Shame there aren’t any new Taco Bill pics lately… a ‘Big Ben Pine Sol’ photo mashup would be worth seeing.

  40. steeltownpride says: Apr 18, 2010 12:08 PM

    In every story Florio writes he always makes the claim that the victum didnt want to proceed because Ben has paid her off . At no time in any fourm other than PFT has claimed anyone has paid anyone off .
    This is what pisses me off about Florio . Little accusations like this is what morons on this site believe . Its just as appauling if i said she didnt want to proceed becuase shes a known whore around town . And once those truths came out no one would believe her . I have no baised for my comments . Like Florio it doesnt matter if its true or false . Just the misconception that it might be that way is all thats needed .
    And for the record . What Florio doesnt state . The DA in the case included in his re-election campaign that even if the alleged victum didnt want to proceed . That had no bearing on his decision not to proceed . Which means if there was enough evidence to get a conviction that even if the victum didnt want to proceed he could still file charges reguardless of her wishes .
    But in the end its little stories like this that gets the web hits Florio wants . Here is a email i wrote to Florio this morning and following is his response to my email . Am i wrong or right ? Steeler fans and haters are all welcomed to comment .
    Mike i like your site but something disturbs me . Your lack of balance in reporting . Why havent you written about other facts in the Roethlisberger case . For one that there are 3 people responsible in that case .
    For one is Ben . I think its been well documented and written that Ben is a moron . Uses extremely bad judgement to say the least . As a lifelong Steelers i agree with most that we tire of Ben . Keep him or trade him doesnt matter to me .
    The bar has a equal responsibility of blame here . They allowed an underage drinker into their place of business . If the business had done its job correctly that their never would been an alleged assult in their establishment . Why havent i seen any stories on this angle on your site ? Shouldnt they be charged as well ? Maybe revoking their liquior license as well ? Fined ? Isnt their anything to creative balance ?
    And finally the alleged victum has to share the same amount of blame in this . She was using a fake goverment ID to illegally drink in a bar . If she had only followed the law of this land . She would have never been assulted by Ben Roethlisberger allegedly . I know its not popular to after any victum in a case . But if we are suppose to follow the law and if you want to politically correct then all need to share in the blame in this case . I understand your site and its need for high traffic hits to it . But i think if you report and do it fairly you will do better for it in the end .
    Like i said ive been coming to your site for many many years . And i love it . I would just like to see balance . Im sure i wont hear back from you on this . But im curious to hear why you dont explore all aspects in this case ? Credibility goes a long way . And if you want to be taken seriously as a legit news source . Then lets see the creative balance . . I know you have it in you . But of course in the end . Headlines is the key . Whats more popular than going after the Steelers ? We have the biggest fan base . And we are the most hated from other fans
    Florio’s response ……… there’s plenty of balance — like political issues, this one polarizes and people see what they want to see.

  41. madmike77 says: Apr 18, 2010 12:08 PM

    Man give it a rest. I’m not saying Roethlisberger is innocent, but the media pile-on is getting a bit ridiculous.
    There were third-party eyewitnesses who saw the victim, said she looked wasted and appeared to be all over Roethlisberger. But no one seems to want to reference those.

  42. ForrestGump says: Apr 18, 2010 12:08 PM

    There’s a lesson here folks.
    The further south you go, the lower the IQ’s get.
    (Ex: see “Vox”, Dallas Cowboys)

  43. BigDiceBuddha says: Apr 18, 2010 12:09 PM

    He belongs in jail. Steelers fans should be ashamed of themselves, defending this POS.

  44. trickbunny says: Apr 18, 2010 12:10 PM

    Rapenstein is free to rape again.

  45. FloriosHairHat says: Apr 18, 2010 12:11 PM

    # Mean D says: April 18, 2010 11:33 AM
    “He raped her.”
    Right. And he did it just to spite you.

  46. Ravenmuscle says: Apr 18, 2010 12:11 PM

    The girl got paid off, sex , and free drinks. What else could a girl ask for.?

  47. robert ethan says: Apr 18, 2010 12:12 PM

    I only hope that when Barravecchio called Santicola he caught him in the middle of the nightly application of a quart of 40 weight engine oil to his hair. So he spent the next 20 minutes with one hand on the phone and the other trying to keep the grease out of those beady close set eyes. Or off that grotesquely oversized Roamin’ probiscus on the front of his face.

  48. .Vox Veritas. says: Apr 18, 2010 12:15 PM

    One word: payoffs. The Giants could learn a thing or two from the Steelers about how to keep their thugs out of court otherwise we may never have heard about the Plaxico thing.

  49. Jaydub says: Apr 18, 2010 12:17 PM

    Guilty
    Payoff
    Swept Under Rug
    Questions?
    Squeal on, Squealer Nation…

  50. blitzburgh1 says: Apr 18, 2010 12:19 PM

    “it’s not surprising that the alleged victim opted not to proceed, especially if at some point between March 5 and March 17 she received a confidential financial offer aimed at securing a full release of all claims she could make against Roethlisberger.”
    Well, genius, she didn’t do that did she? Her letter states that she did not change her statement ….or statements, as it seems. so therefore, “we” reach the conclusion that there was no financial payment made.

  51. vikingsuperbowls=0 says: Apr 18, 2010 12:19 PM

    this is all speculation and hearsay and you sir have just beaten the dead horse too many times.
    let it go…for your sanity’s sake buddy.\
    i demand to hear fromt he janitor! he must be on the take…
    p.s. – vikes still suck

  52. jday0424 says: Apr 18, 2010 12:21 PM

    Sad state of affairs what this country is coming to. That fat arrogant S.O.B. should be stripped of his money his job and fame and tossed in jail just like anyone else who commited a crime like that

  53. bigtrav425 says: Apr 18, 2010 12:22 PM

    Hahaha I think Big Ben Rapistbergers fate isnt in Pittspuke anymore!

  54. bigtrav425 says: Apr 18, 2010 12:22 PM

    and i like Kornheiser! so keep it up in that case!

  55. Drithe says: Apr 18, 2010 12:22 PM

    He took advantage of her and the entire justice system covered it up for him, just because he is the QB of the Steelers.
    This bum should be arrested. Those bums running the justice system in georgia should be too.
    End of Line.

  56. Steelintn says: Apr 18, 2010 12:23 PM

    No he didn’t.

  57. realitypolice says: Apr 18, 2010 12:23 PM

    All of this makes the GBI’s statement that the media would be “eating crow” for their criticism of the investigation even more puzzling. If anything, the reports coming out of the investigation validate the criticism.
    No one, probably including the two drunken idiots who were in there, will ever know what really happened in that bathroom.
    The only thing that remains clear to me is that a 20 year old sorority girl at a state university could be expected to act like an immature idiot, whereas a 28 year old multi-millionaire should probably know better.

  58. moreBScrap says: Apr 18, 2010 12:23 PM

    I agree, your constant articles stating what you think no longer mean anything. The girl had NO evidence of rape at the hospital, she was beyond drunk as the tests showed she was 2.0+ and the GBI found NO other evidence to convict BB of this crime. The public has already formed their ideas on the guy and hopefully he has learned if he wants to be a Pro Athlete, he NEEDS to start acting like it. SO MOVE ON TO OTHER ARTICLES. Your starting to sound like TMZ- PFT.

  59. WVUColumbus says: Apr 18, 2010 12:26 PM

    Mean D–You are either a socialist or a communist. You approve of universal health care and don’t believe in our great nation’s justice system. In short, you are a traitor to this great nation. Please leave now, period.

  60. tombrookshire says: Apr 18, 2010 12:27 PM

    If the justice system is in pursuit of truth, it is poorly served in this country. Too often, truth is the first casualty in a system that is too easily compromised by money, power and celebrity. Regular folks’ experience of the justice system and the experience of a BR are at opposite ends of the spectrum. No wonder people become cynical about the system, when the only way it works is when there is plenty of money to grease it’s wheels.

  61. Citizen Strange says: Apr 18, 2010 12:32 PM

    Whatever became of all that “eating crow” business that that one numbnut was yammering on and on about?

  62. JRod says: Apr 18, 2010 12:33 PM

    ii would be ashamed to be a pitt fan. he rapped her. release his ass

  63. MotorCitySteel says: Apr 18, 2010 12:34 PM

    Boy, you sure do wish YOU could convict him. How about reporting something that you actually have some facts about……..instead of constantly dragging up dirt so you can feed the Steeler bashers!

  64. jmichael says: Apr 18, 2010 12:38 PM

    The, “…..truly guilty men kept out of prison…..” line….Florio, you are a real fascist. If there is any justice, you’ll soon be charged with a crime you didn’t commit.

  65. davidc45629 says: Apr 18, 2010 12:39 PM

    She looks like your little sister Karl. Another point not mentioned in the story is the wiping of the bar video by the owner. This bar should be boycotted and shut down.

  66. cunn9305 says: Apr 18, 2010 12:41 PM

    … “the alleged victim could barely stand” … that cop KNEW this was BS … THAT’S why he was frustrated and arguing with the victim. I still say there was no settlement. As bad as Ben’s judgement was I wouldn’t give this chick one red cent. I would put her through a trial so her family, the media and anyone else could see just how big of a skank she was that night.

  67. Catamount says: Apr 18, 2010 12:45 PM

    Karl, If you think Ben is the victim, then you are lying to yourself.

  68. FireJerryJones says: Apr 18, 2010 12:46 PM

    One the one hand, Terrell Owens won’t be calling your QB a F*G.
    On the downside, every stadium he goes to will have a rapist sign.
    That’s a great legacy for a proud Steeler nation.

  69. tom coughlin's coat holder says: Apr 18, 2010 12:46 PM

    @ tombrookshire.i agree in what you said,but sometimes they cull a couple of a holes out of the herd,like martha stewart or leona helmsly and send them to jail just to show the little people that justice is “‘fair”.
    otherwise it’s business as usual.

  70. MotorCitySteel says: Apr 18, 2010 12:48 PM

    Jaydub……………..You are a complete Moron!
    Why would he have to pay her off? There was no case. If anything Florio paid her to go in there so he could get some more hits on his site! It’s not like there is a Draft in a few days or anything. Kobe Bryant is and always be a RAPIST. Maybe Ben should buy this broad a HUGE diamond ring……..and the whole world will forgive him then!!!

  71. tom coughlin's coat holder says: Apr 18, 2010 12:49 PM

    @ karl….how about posting a picture of one of your family members,so we can get an idea of what you mean.

  72. HarrisonHits says: Apr 18, 2010 12:50 PM

    ” The victim’s friends got on Blash’s nerves because he kept asking them were they back there with her, and they said no.”
    This guy wasn’t much of a cop anyway if he thought it was likely she was raped in front of her friends. One would think Blass has the opinion that bad guys usually invite in witnesses and people who might stop them from doing what they want to do.

  73. 60eagles says: Apr 18, 2010 12:53 PM

    If you and a celebrity or politician commit the same crime, you go to jail and he walks, because of his fame and money. It’s that simple folks. This is what money has done to the justice system. There is no reason why Roethlisberger is not behind bars other than what I just said. And Steeler fans, don’t give me this high handed crap that he is innocent until proven guilty. I just told you why he’s innocent. Money and fame. You’re too damn dumb to realize that they would throw your butt in jail and not his in a second.

  74. pensacolasteelers says: Apr 18, 2010 12:53 PM

    jayrub lmao
    not guilty
    no payoff
    not swept under rug
    no questions!
    you’re the only “squealer” on here.
    6 time Super Bowl Champions
    jealousy not very becoming on you jayrub.

  75. stnmmc says: Apr 18, 2010 12:54 PM

    # Drithe says: April 18, 2010 12:22 PM
    He took advantage of her and the entire justice system covered it up for him, just because he is the QB of the Steelers.
    This bum should be arrested. Those bums running the justice system in georgia should be too.
    End of Line.
    ————————————————
    If you honestly believe that he was not charged because he is the QB of the steelers (if he was your teams QB i am certain he would have been jailed, right) then you sir, need to get back on your medication. And take the tinfoil hat off as well.

  76. kello says: Apr 18, 2010 12:57 PM

    WVUColumbus. So, if I think we need more health care for more people I am a socialist or a communist.
    Go F**K yourself you nazi. That is, if you can stop doing your sister long enough.
    Did you get this? Do you understand what I am saying? Can you read? I have sunk to your level so you can understand.

  77. Bwa Ha Ha says: Apr 18, 2010 12:59 PM

    Cop 101:
    When you want an issue to “go away” botch the investigation and make it clear that you have done so. The prosecution has to walk away and the problem will die off over time.

  78. riddlecleve says: Apr 18, 2010 12:59 PM

    F*cking cover up…

  79. Trojan4life5869 says: Apr 18, 2010 1:00 PM

    Once again some IDIOT gets stars in his eyes and overlooks what the real point of his job is. Serve and Protect, that means EVERYONE!
    Where there is smoke, there is fire! Ben continues to prove he’s as dumb as he looks. When is he going to grow up and realize he’s not in his middle of know where, who cares college where he may have been a big fish in a small pond. When is he going to realize that he’s not
    in college anymore cruzing the sority houses for
    drunk girls to have sex with. Looks like him and
    R Kelly have a lot in common…
    Pitt needs to cut him!!

  80. moreBScrap says: Apr 18, 2010 1:01 PM

    I agree Karl………. both sides of this story deserve to be shown.

  81. Ace says: Apr 18, 2010 1:03 PM

    look in in the mirror karl and you will see

  82. Benny Mendenberger-Ward says: Apr 18, 2010 1:06 PM

    Dee Tee Eff

  83. jersey73 says: Apr 18, 2010 1:07 PM

    Big Ben is innocent…just like O.J. Simpson…and Michael Jackson’s skin just got “naturally” lighter over time.

  84. Abe Froeman says: Apr 18, 2010 1:15 PM

    There is no such thing as a free market. Only in theory do free markets exist. All markets are closed markets that governments allow openings in and that they can shut when they desire.

  85. dragonrider2300 says: Apr 18, 2010 1:16 PM

    Well, if the police botched the initial interview with the alleged victim (who even if drunk, may have been a victim or something) and more shockingly, failed to secure the alleged crime scene, the police and DA’s office have no one to blame but themselves. The truth will probably never come out on this one. Barney Fife is alive and well after all-and in this case any chance for justice went out with the Pine Sol.
    It would have been better for Ben if there was clear information of his innocence, or clear information of his guilt. As a result of Three Stooges quality police work, Ben will continue to ‘clam up’ and forever have a cloud over his head about this incident (and the other allegations we have heard about). Better for him if he could clear his name, or be convicted of something-then all doubt is out of the way. This will be a dark shadow on Ben’s life from here on out-unless he does an Oprah confessional of some kind (which is unlikely).

  86. el_dude00 says: Apr 18, 2010 1:18 PM

    “Said GBI special agent Ryan Carmichael, “Blash was frustrated because the victim could barely stand, and that pissed Blash off. . . . The victim’s friends got on Blash’s nerves because he kept asking them were they back there with her, and they said no.” -MF
    My nomination for crappiest sentence. Nice job of writing how you talk. You guys need to hire a copy editor.

  87. MikeN says: Apr 18, 2010 1:23 PM

    Well Karl, I bet you have a real way with the ladies.

  88. droppingloads says: Apr 18, 2010 1:23 PM

    what was he charged with? nothing!!! Enough of the conspiracies, i love that people on this message board have investigated this case and come to the conclusion he was guilty, where are the facts? where is the evidence? he was never charged, these lawyers would love to have him on trial, but they have nothing, move on, he didnt rape anyone

  89. Pancho says: Apr 18, 2010 1:23 PM

    Why the hell would you “pay someone off” to drop charges but still let their lawyer state that you committed the crime? It doesn’t make sense at all. She wanted to drop the charges b/c she realized she was being promiscuous drama queen that night and had no case but was too embarrassed and in too deep to admit that nothing non-consensual happened.

  90. embarrassedsteelerfan says: Apr 18, 2010 1:24 PM

    One thing has been proven by comments made on this and other sites is that Ben has a lot of company in the scum department.

  91. Gonzorot says: Apr 18, 2010 1:32 PM

    I saw a person mix pinesol and bleach toghether, He couldnt stop coughing for 2 weeks.
    The mixture makes a chemical which can damage mucus membranes.
    Anyways that whole situation stinks like that bathroom.

  92. Mooch says: Apr 18, 2010 1:41 PM

    How will all this impact Big Ben?
    Only 99% of Steelers fans will cheer when he throws his 1st TD pass this season.
    Only 80% of Steelers fans will buy his jersey for their kids.
    Zero impact if he plays well. Zero.
    Now, if he struggles…

  93. trickbunny says: Apr 18, 2010 1:44 PM

    If Ben plays this year, I can’t wait for people to chant “rapist” over and over again at Steelers games.
    Yep, I’ve posted the same thing in a number of Rapistberger stories. I’m trying to start something :)
    I can hear it now… “Rapist! Rapist! Rapist!”.. the whole crowd :)

  94. SteelBuck says: Apr 18, 2010 1:52 PM

    For all the people who think that Ben is guilty based on team affiliation (you’re the ones who should be ashamed of yourself) and the Steeler fans who want to condemn him, I think you should really try to look at this objectively. I am a die hard Steelers fan and my contention is that I just don’t know what happened. I’m certainly disappointed in Ben but won’t call him a rapist. I wasn’t there nor have a read the hundred plus pages of court documents. Ben, at best, is a dumb ass. However, it takes two to tango and from what I have read, the girl wasn’t exactlly a saint in this incident.
    Florio wants to point out the facts that might implicate Ben (hasn’t he done that from day one). He doesn’t point out the fact that the girl claims that 6’5″ Ben Roethlisberger had sex with her while she was sitting on the toilet??? Also, the cop was yelling at the girl because she was all over the place. It sure appears that the Maybury police sure made there share of mistakes but there is still no physical evidence. Finally, where’s the semen? I know that the bathroom was cleaned but are you telling me drunk Ben was able to pull out without anything getting on the girl?
    Again, I don’t know what really happened but I am just pointing out some of the facts from the other side of the story. None of you knows what happened either.

  95. cgc1969 says: Apr 18, 2010 1:54 PM

    all the scenarious of what if or covered up the
    scene this happens everywhere! the DA said not guilty and thats it! case closed move on!

  96. hubeee says: Apr 18, 2010 1:55 PM

    I just love the American “injustice” system. Two rules, one for folks with money, and the other for folks with none.
    I’m not a low-life lawyer, but the news accounts indicate RAPES-burger and his goons are guilty of abduction, rape and kidnap, among many other crimes. Rapes-burger should be traded to the Georgia federal prison system for approximately 20 NFL seasons. And we thought Micheal Vick was stupid!

  97. robert ethan says: Apr 18, 2010 1:56 PM

    I don’t get the part about the “deal” with Garland being mismanaged. Obviously if Garland was consulted about making a deal, and the DA was consulted about making a deal, Garland COULD NOT have had the information from Bright beforehand. Or why would he bother going through the motions? If Bright told Garland about the explicit nature of the charges, then either Garland welched on his half of the deal, or Bright simply didn’t care that he had the information and didn’t need to hear from Roethlisberger.
    I’m inclined to think it’s the latter. I feel that Bright knew early on his best option.
    The interests of his constituency and the interests of the victim were best served by NOT having a court case. That way he could cast Roethlisberger as guilty until proven otherwise, which he has done. No cost to the county, no further harm to the victim, and let Ruthless dangle forever in purgatory with shitstains on his trousers.

  98. stopthehate says: Apr 18, 2010 2:05 PM

    She was wearing a DTF (down to Fu*&) button Ben was just playing along…

  99. stopthehate says: Apr 18, 2010 2:08 PM

    Hubeee – did you over look the flirting at the fact that she followed him to every bar they went to, she was hammered and DTF – drinks, DTF attitude, late night = hook up

  100. queenie says: Apr 18, 2010 2:11 PM

    We completely understand how our enemies feel…they fear us, he’s a good QB, and we have 6 rings so of course the haters will rush to judge more so than we will. If it was Tom Brady hell we’d be rushing to judge him…although Tom is so hot…even I’d have a hard time with that one.
    We’ll get through it no matter what the final outcome and be a better/tougher team having done so and the haters out there will just have to learn to deal with it and get over themselves.
    Besides we know that most of the haters on this site are Raiders fans. That’s why they keep screaming and crying to have Big Ben traded to them. Bunch a sissy cry babies all you haters! If they ever saw Big Ben they’d be pissing themselves trying to get this autograph.
    GO STEELERS!

  101. Spoonthis says: Apr 18, 2010 2:12 PM

    Anyone read the rest of the PPG article?
    “20-year-old student at Georgia College & State University accused Mr. Roethlisberger of raping her in the restroom” Why did she only file sexual assault charges then and not rape charges?
    “[The woman] told Blash that Roethlisberger did not force her”
    “Well, I’m not sure” when he asked if she and Mr. Roethlisberger had sex.”
    “She told him something that officers found perplexing: the woman claimed that she and the 6-foot-5 Mr. Roethlisberger had sex while she was sitting on the toilet.”
    Well which is it honey. Did you have sex or didn’t you. Just thinking out loud here but if I am a guy sitting down to have sex, I am probably under the woman with the woman that has voluntarily choosen to hump me from the top position. Sounds forceful to me……..not. Doesn’t rape normally entail the larger, heavier male to be on top to hold a female down? Just asking.
    Mr. Roethlisberger stated “that he would not give the girl the time of day and that he had ignored her. Clay stated that Roethlisberger appeared to feel or imply that the girl would only say what she alleged because he had ignored her friend and her friend had instigated her report.”
    Wham Bam thank you maam. She got upset due to the lack of cuddling after having sex.
    Again, Ben is a major dumbass but I can’t see how this is rape. And the whole serial rapist claim still makes me laugh. Ben’s never put his dick in a bowl of Cheerios. “Oh, if this was you sister…..” I would tell her to quit acting like a skank whore, drop the “DTF” slogan, to quit the underage drinking and bar hoping because someday she might actual wind up being raped.

  102. Chudi says: Apr 18, 2010 2:18 PM

    I read the article, and this is the key part of it for me.
    “Forensic evidence, it turned out, was scant. Although testing showed the presence of male human DNA from the woman, there was no way to match it to Mr. Roethlisberger or anyone else, according to Ted R. Staples, GBI’s manager of forensic biology.
    “It was an extremely small quantity of that, and there simply was not enough to generate a nuclear DNA profile from that male” Mr. Staples said. “We carried it forward and made an attempt [to obtain a DNA profile.] The only profile generated was that of the female.”
    Even with today’s technology, the sample was so infinitesimal that nothing could be determined.
    “Normally what we’re looking for is about a nanogram of DNA, which is a billionth of a gram. A raisin weighs about a gram, so if you could cut a raisin into a billion pieces, we need one of those. So this particular result was far less than even a nanogram. There was something there. It just wasn’t enough.”
    Mr. Staples said scientists could not discern the source of the DNA in the sample, whether it was from saliva, semen or something else.”
    This tells me that no sex occurred. I’m a molecular Biologist, and with PCR, you can amplify nanograms of DNA to get a profile of somebody. The fact that they didn’t get anything, nothing…tells me that he never had sex with her. If he did, there will be tons and tons of DNA.
    I suggest we be very careful about how we disparage people. I bet you that these people would not have dropped the case, if they got any DNA evidence. It is cases like these that were prosecuted in the 70s, that resulted in men being sent to jail for lies, and this is what people like Barry Scheck have been fighting against.
    If a rape occurred, there must be some of Ben’s DNA. If there is no DNA, then no rape occurred. All of you people here accusing Ben of raping this girl, should hope that the same standard is applied to you too, cus that is what is keeping us from going back to the 70s, when young men were thrown in jail, just based on accusations.

  103. Adam says: Apr 18, 2010 2:18 PM

    .Vox Veritas. says:
    April 18, 2010 12:15 PM
    One word: payoffs. The Giants could learn a thing or two from the Steelers about how to keep their thugs out of court otherwise we may never have heard about the Plaxico thing.
    To be honest, I’d rather they didn’t.

  104. Ravenmaniac says: Apr 18, 2010 2:21 PM

    SteelBuck…take the time and read the report and then give your opinion on what you read.
    That might help to see where Florio is coming from.

  105. Steve.1 says: Apr 18, 2010 2:28 PM

    I am tired about all the press about what is obviously the best hidden dirt bag in the NFL. I love this game I love looking forward to the upcoming draft and the preseason. I hate to see people who have been given a gift and an opportunity to make more money then they deserve throw it away like this. If anything else Ben should be out of the NFL for just being dumb. I have no doubt he did something wrong. I am not say it was rape but come on. He had a past in college that is finally coming into the light. And now this is his second incident (that has been reported) in a short period of time. I would be very surprised to see the steelers keep this guys considering there past and great reputation in the league.

  106. troll_aikman8 says: Apr 18, 2010 2:31 PM

    Love reading Stiller Nation justify Fat Ben’s behavior. It must be the norm in Pittsburgh. What a pathetic fan base, city, and QB.
    I never thought I’d say that an organization deserves a better city and fanbase, but this is that that rare occurrence. Ahem, Stay Classy Shittsburghâ„¢

  107. last starfighter says: Apr 18, 2010 2:32 PM

    rapist

  108. hubeee says: Apr 18, 2010 2:36 PM

    yo,
    But if you see a drunk laying in the street is that justification to kick the crap out of them?
    Like most young men, Rapes-burger was thinking with the wrong head. You would think his buddies would have ran interference, or got him out of there.
    But instead the helped him rape her, and prevented her girlfriends from coming to her aide.

  109. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 2:37 PM

    “stopthehate says:
    April 18, 2010 2:08 PM
    Hubeee – did you over look the flirting at the fact that she followed him to every bar they went to, she was hammered and DTF – drinks, DTF attitude, late night = hook up”
    Right. SHE WAS HAMMERED.
    Rendering her unable to give legal consent. Sex – legal consent = rape.

  110. FloriosHairHat says: Apr 18, 2010 2:40 PM

    # brownsfn says: April 18, 2010 11:40 AM
    “F*cking scumbag should be rotting in jail…if it was joe shmo he would have already been convicted…”
    I can think of no worse punishment than sentencing him to play for Cleveland for 2-3 years.

  111. RebaT. says: Apr 18, 2010 2:40 PM

    @.RebaTe
    Dude, you really need to recognize when I post to the board. I would have NEVER been up that early compared to when you posted. Good luck using my handle. You just want the attention – you poor thing.
    I hope the Rooneys get their hands on this report and about the police officer who was given 2 choices… resign or be fired!

  112. snnyjcbs says: Apr 18, 2010 2:51 PM

    I have to laugh at how many comments that I read from guys that stick up for the Steeler Punk. Shows you why so many women would rather run with women today, boys running around in mens bodies. Many seem ticked off that it was not them that was able to drop to their knees and say hey to Big Ben, punks.

  113. Supersix says: Apr 18, 2010 2:52 PM

    We will never know the truth but so far we only have one side of the story. WE DO KNOW THIS SITE AND OTHERS SIMPLY WANT TO FAN THE FLAMES AND PRESUME HIM GUILTY LIKE THEY DID AT THE SALEM WITCH HUNTS. Many questions arise. Why was she drinking alcohol when she is underage? Why did she use a fake id? Why don’t we know her name? Come public and tell your story. Don’t hide. Maybe there are things others know about you that are relevant to the situation. Why did you give yourself the nickname-DTF? Did Ms. DTF “do” someone else that night prior to the Ben incident? Did the police officers at the scene understand this is what she does every weekend. Perhaps this is why she did not want to proceed. To imply an illegal payoff is reprehensible. Any attorney doing same would lose his license and be criminally charged. She was pursuing Ben all night talking him up and pinching him. I wonder what her intentions were with him? I am sure people would have witnessed someone carrying her down the hall like a human sacrifice. Why did she not lock the bathroom door? Why was she not screaming? Why did she look nonchalent leaving the bar and answered “no” when she was questioned about being raped by the police. Ben is guily of bad behavior but that doesn’t make him guilty of rape. The whole incident is sad but remember ladies- when you swim with sharks, you may be bit. Ben needs mental counseling but to suspend him on allegations is simply unjust. Anyone can claim anything about anybody.

  114. khall says: Apr 18, 2010 2:53 PM

    Did any of you actually take the time to click on the link and actually READ THE ARTICLE FOR YOURSELF, rather than let Florio blindly lead you like the puppets you are?
    “The victim’s friends got on Blash’s nerves because he kept asking them were they back there with her, and they said no.”
    Florio conveniently left out the REST of the statement:
    “The victim’s friends were trying to tell what was going on more than the victim was, and the victim could not answer Blash’s questions.”
    Get your heads out of your butts and read for yourself, read what it is actually stated rather than what you are being led to believe!!
    “Forensic evidence, it turned out, was scant. Although testing showed the presence of male human DNA from the woman, there was no way to match it to Mr. Roethlisberger or anyone else, according to Ted R. Staples, GBI’s manager of forensic biology.”
    “It was an extremely small quantity of that, and there simply was not enough to generate a nuclear DNA profile from that male” Mr. Staples said. “We carried it forward and made an attempt [to obtain a DNA profile.] The only profile generated was that of the female.”
    “Even with today’s technology, the sample was so infinitesimal that nothing could be determined.”
    “Normally what we’re looking for is about a nanogram of DNA, which is a billionth of a gram. A raisin weighs about a gram, so if you could cut a raisin into a billion pieces, we need one of those. So this particular result was far less than even a nanogram. There was something there. It just wasn’t enough.”
    “Mr. Staples said scientists could not discern the source of the DNA in the sample, whether it was from saliva, semen or something else.”

  115. GoBrowns19 says: Apr 18, 2010 2:53 PM

    Well, I think anyone who’s not a Steelers fan knows he raped the girl…he’s simply not going to be punished for it other than being known as a serial rapist in the eyes of just about everyone.

  116. awfflpete says: Apr 18, 2010 2:53 PM

    I hope the Rooney’s read this.
    Ben Roethlisberger is a disgrace to this league and if he enters the 2010 season as a Pittsburgh Steelers then the Rooney’s and the entire Steeler organization are a disgrace as well.
    Roethlisberger raped that girl. No he did not get charged with a crime but OJ was found not guilty so just because the eyes of the law do not recognize Big Ben as a sexual predator does not he isn’t one. The Rooney’s need to show some content of character and cut him. Forget trading him. Trading him will send the message “We don’t want to deal with it, he’s someone else’s problem.” Cutting him would say “You do not deserve to be here.” Do the right things Rooneys. If Rothlisberger is a Steeler in 2010 you should be ashamed of yourselves. Enjoy your rape/blood money.

  117. Deb says: Apr 18, 2010 2:56 PM

    Florio, you’ve repeatedly disparaged the “high standard” of proof beyond reasonable doubt. The standard can’t be that high if 5-10 percent of criminal cases each year result in wrongful convictions. Of the 252 convicted people so far exonerated through the DNA findings of the Innocence Project, 74 percent were convicted on the erroneous testimony of other “witnesses”– like Milledgeville’s drunken sorority sisters who, as the officer noted, were not there.
    Roethlisberger may be an embarrassment and a sleaze, but according to the testimony of dozens of witnesses, what happened that night was a mutual sleazefest, not an assault.

  118. it's all bs says: Apr 18, 2010 3:00 PM

    So let’s see according to the dimwits posting here:
    Ben pays off a bar owner.
    Ben pays off the off-duty cops who are his body-guards.
    Ben pays off the DR’s at the hospital who did the rape kit.
    Ben pays off the DA.
    Ben pays off the local cop.
    Ben pays off all the other witnesses who were there that night and who could not corroborate the girl’s story or her sorority sister’s story.
    Ben pays off the janitor who cleaned the bathroom.
    Ben pays off the girl herself so she’ll drop the charges.
    Did I miss anybody….how much money could he have left after all those payoffs?
    And yet there is not a shred of evidence for any pay-off let alone the rape itself…..Go figure!
    GO STEELERS!

  119. Spoonthis says: Apr 18, 2010 3:04 PM

    @RebaT.
    Please tell me you are not this stupid. “I hope the Rooneys get their hands on this report”.
    Can’t you read? The PPG article says, “Documents made available when the case was closed”. Do you think the Rooneys haven’t already read every document that there is?
    And as for the imposter, .RebaTe, you’re killing me. Hilarity at its best.

  120. Buffalo says: Apr 18, 2010 3:07 PM

    Stupid people all of you need to wake up then why did she drop the charges !.

  121. Jaydub says: Apr 18, 2010 3:16 PM

    MotorCitySteel says: April 18, 2010 12:48 PM
    Jaydub……………..You are a complete Moron!
    Why would he have to pay her off? There was no case.
    ————————————————–
    There was ‘no case’ because she got paid to shut up. When the victim won’t talk, you can’t build a case, thereby causing the whole thing to collapse like a house of cards.
    Are you really so stupid that you didn’t know this?
    When this girl fails to file a civil suit, the entire world outside of Pittsburgh will know the truth. Within the city limits, they’ll still be screaming themselves hoarse over just how innocent Ben really is and that the rest of the planet is full of Squealer haters.
    The funniest part is, morons like you still think this is about a football team, rather than another human being that was badly taken advantage of by a millionaire drunken scumbag walking around with his little pee-pee hanging out.

  122. HC says: Apr 18, 2010 3:22 PM

    I see multiple Steeler fans commenting that others are condemning Roethlisberger simply because of the team he playes for, and because they are jealous of Pittsburgh’s championships.
    That’s ridiculous.
    If Roethlisberger played for any other team the reaction would be the same. If it was any other NFL quarterback rather than Roethlisberger the reaction would be the same.
    Believe it or not, this isn’t about you, your fanbase or your team; it’s about Roethlisberger’s actions. Well, that and reacting to how so many Steeler fans are blindly defending him.

  123. spyboots says: Apr 18, 2010 3:24 PM

    ” The victim’s friends got on Blash’s nerves because he kept asking them were they back there with her, and they said no.”
    Many are missing the point here. The reason this would make someone angry and frustrated is that he needed HER to say what happened and for her friends to shut up and let HER talk. He probably could see that it was her FRIENDS who were trying to make a complaint — not her. When asked if she was raped, she answered, “No,” but her friends kept egging her on.
    Yes, that would be frustrating. That’s why he asked if they were there.

  124. SteelBuck says: Apr 18, 2010 3:25 PM

    Ravenmaniac, I did read the article. I read the Post Gazette everyday. Did you read my post D-bag? There are inconsistencies everwhere. What’s your point? You are obviously championing the rape accusation because you are a Ravens fan. I made it clear that I don’t know one way or the other but there is doubt. Put your team allegiance down for a second.
    Please, please, please with the consistent posts of “payoffs.” This isn’t a Law & Order episode. This is real life. I’m sure Ben was walking around with a wad of cash just handing out $100 bills. Maybe he used a Swiss bank account. What a joke.
    I love that you all put the Steelers on a pedistal. I take pride in that. You all may get your wish in that Ben may not be a Steeler. Who knows. The fact is that all you D-bags only want him gone because it will hurt how the Steelers perform on the field. Like I believe a Ravens or scumbag Clowns fan is so moral. If he does get dealt, you A-holes better be the first to criticize the team that takes him.

  125. Outlaw Jersey Whales says: Apr 18, 2010 3:27 PM

    “It was an extremely small quantity of that, and there simply was not enough to generate a nuclear DNA profile from that male” Mr. Staples said.
    ————————————————–
    Easily explained.
    ————————————————–
    ( VIP mop closet, The Capital City Club, Milledgeville, Ga. 5Mar2010.)
    Roethlisberger (excessively drunk and slurring):
    “I can’t get it up, you Ho! This is all your fault! (begins bashing her head against mop closet wall)
    Intended Victim (sneering): “Thanks for the finger****! Superman!”
    ————————————————–
    Since Roethlisberger is renowned for his clean-cut, buttoned-down image we can deduce that he had a fresh manicure that very day! Another reason there was no DNA!
    As a nookuler science-guy and elevator operator I am shocked I was not called in to consult on this investigation!

  126. robert ethan says: Apr 18, 2010 3:34 PM

    Still, if “history is written by the victors” you have to hand this skirmish to the “bumbling backwoods bumpkins”. By restricting access to their clients and heavily editing any information they offered to the investigators, Garland & Co. left one version of the event recorded in the files.
    The prompt, enthusiastic, and detailed statements of the accuser and her supporters.
    Santicola and his ilk can flap their gums till the milk delivery truck comes around again, about how “unfair” Bright was, but it won’t change public perception. It’s too late and just serves to refresh the venom directed at their clients. They would have been much better off with full statements from Ruthless and his buddies on the record.

  127. jammermeister says: Apr 18, 2010 3:37 PM

    I can’t believe that you referenced the “if it don’t fit you must acquit” line for this story. The pay per view sales would be through the roof.

  128. Ravenmaniac says: Apr 18, 2010 3:40 PM

    Florio I have to agree with Deb. There is a high standard of proof beyond a resonable doubt..fortunately for ben, the police department botched this investigation and the nightclub allowed all of the evidence that could have been used (video, DNA, etc.) to convict ben to be cleaned up. And the sorority sisters were not in the bathroom with ben the girl, just like the police werent there and bens bodyguards were not there. After all they were just supposed to get the girl down the hallway (which I am sure the video showed) and block her friends from going into the bathroom.
    Also Deb is correct, you cannot count on erroneous testimony like the drunken sorority sisters…or bens body guard friends who obviously have his best interest in mind, or a police officer who just had his picture taken with ben and obviously was still so enamored with the QB that he tried everything he could to not have the girl fill out a police report.
    Keep up the good work Deb!!

  129. savocabol1 says: Apr 18, 2010 3:56 PM

    hey steeltownpride, i really hope you were typing that post really really fast. The blatant misuse of grammar and enormous amount of typos is laughable. Way to totally discred any kind of argument you were trying to make.

  130. Ravenmaniac says: Apr 18, 2010 4:00 PM

    Wow…SteelBuck…easy. Did you read my post? Of course I will not resort to calling you D-bag.
    I simply asked that you read the report….
    Your words SteelBuck…I wasn’t there nor have a read the hundred plus pages of court documents. My point is that I am sure Florio has read the entire document.
    I offered this to maybe help you understand where Florio was coming from.
    Trust me, my team allegiance has nothing to do with this. As I have said many times that it does not matter to me if ben plays the next 20 years for the steelers. The steelers already got rid of the real threat of the Ravens (Sandubio), he burned us more than anyone on your team. The only person left on your team that is a threat is Troy. When a player is as great as Troy on/off the field, I can accept whatever he does to the Ravens. Just like the AFC Championship game when he intercepted Flacco. If that would have been anyone else I would have been sick for a month (instead of a week).
    Techically speaking, Charlie Batch is a better QB than ben. He probably knows the playbook better. He does not have escapability. Dixon didnt look too bad against us (of course there is not a lot of film on him yet). I really do not think that the departure of ben would bother the steelers very much.
    Sorry you think everyone that is a Ravens fan is an A-hole or D-bag……

  131. tj.52 says: Apr 18, 2010 4:00 PM

    I feel sad for that poor girl, and shame towards Pittsburgh.

  132. 8man says: Apr 18, 2010 4:04 PM

    Maybe this is why the Steelers are waiting until after the draft to punish this turd.
    They want to see everything that surfaces. And if all of this stuff is true, I can’t imagine him wearing the black and gold for long.
    Rooney will cut him like cheap bait.

  133. spyboots says: Apr 18, 2010 4:04 PM

    Further down in the article:
    “Mr. Parks said his client and her family were leery. They thought Milledgeville police had leaked information about the woman to the media.”
    Info about the victim leaked? Was this perhaps not her first bathroom “encounter”? Sounds like they didn’t want the public know what the “poor daughter” was really like.

  134. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 4:10 PM

    “Supersix says:
    April 18, 2010 2:52 PM
    We will never know the truth but so far we only have one side of the story. WE DO KNOW THIS SITE AND OTHERS SIMPLY WANT TO FAN THE FLAMES AND PRESUME HIM GUILTY LIKE THEY DID AT THE SALEM WITCH HUNTS. Many questions arise. Why was she drinking alcohol when she is underage?”
    Every single question you presented is an example of “blaming the victim.”
    No matter what activity one is engaged in, THEY CAN STILL BE THE VICTIM OF A CRIME.

  135. joe6606 says: Apr 18, 2010 4:26 PM

    is this dead horse dead yet, ’cause it’s sure taking a beating
    /yawn
    florio will keep milking this “story” so long as he keeps getting 100+ comments.
    Stop posting crap Florio

  136. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 4:33 PM

    I hope some of you recognize that your attitudes toward this girl are the EXACT reason rape/sexual assault is so WILDLY unerreported.

  137. billsfanaddict says: Apr 18, 2010 4:35 PM

    your breakdown in articles like this is why i come to the site. brutally fair some people might call it and i understand where you were coming from w/every point you made. ill stop kissing @$$ now, kudos.

  138. Deb says: Apr 18, 2010 4:59 PM

    @Ravenmaniac …
    I was making the point to Florio that “reasonable doubt” is not an excessively high standard, as he keeps implying, and simply provided some data to support my contention. I wasn’t specifically arguing the Roethlisberger case.
    I have no idea what you were blathering about … and I doubt you do either. It was just another opportunity to take a pot shot at me. Classy.

  139. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 5:22 PM

    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/17/georgia-police-learn-of-second-roethlisberger-assault-claim/
    Hmm….can we say “pattern”?

  140. SteelBuck says: Apr 18, 2010 5:25 PM

    Ravenmaniac, my bad. I misunderstood. I thought you were telling me (sarcastically) to read the Post Gazette aricle.
    As for Florio, he has been posting articles prior to the report even being released. And from my perspective (and many others), they are all one sided.
    And yes, I think all Ravens and Browns fans are D-bags.
    TFBuckFutter, if it were up to you, all rape accusations would end in a conviction. I’m sure nobody would be wrongly accused.

  141. 8man says: Apr 18, 2010 5:26 PM

    Maybe this is why the Steelers are waiting until after the draft to punish this turd.
    They want to see everything that surfaces. And if all of this stuff is true, I can’t imagine him wearing the black and gold for long.
    Rooney will cut him like cheap bait.

  142. QBall says: Apr 18, 2010 5:26 PM

    Florio: Did it occur to you that the reason the police failed to secure the so-called crime scene is because the so-called victim said “NO” when the cop asked her if she had been raped, and only changed her story the following day after the bathroom had been routinely cleaned? Furthermore, since the rape kit at the hospital turned up NO DNA on the woman herself, what “evidence” could expect to be found on the sink, the toilet or the floor? Or are you suggesting Roethlisberger also raped all the bathroom fixtures?

  143. Deb says: Apr 18, 2010 5:35 PM

    @TFBuckFutter …
    And then there’s the other side: False accusations of rape and sexual assault. No one can to agree on the stats. Studies have found anywhere from 8 percent to 60 percent of rape accusations are false. One problem is that women are being schooled to believe they are perennial victims. If a guy slaps or pinches their fanny, it’s an assault. Another problem, is that women are being taught they bear no responsibility for their own bodies.
    In one case, two college students met at a party. Both were drunk and wound up having sex. The next day she decided that was a mistake. She accused him of rape, saying she was too drunk to consent. But he was also drunk. She never said no–she was a willing sex partner. They hooked up at a party. How was he to know she didn’t mean it?
    He was labeled a rapist. Though the police dropped charges, the women’s groups on campus hounded him. They posted his name everywhere, along with “RAPIST.” He was forced to leave school. The stigma followed wherever he went.
    As a rape survivor, I take sexual assault issues very seriously. No matter what any fool on PFT thinks, I’m not defending Ben Roethlisberger. I think he’s a sleaze, and I’ve said that repeatedly. But I cannot consider as a victim this woman who CHOSE to don a DTF pin and CHOSE to drink herself insensible and CHOSE to climb all over that man and who didn’t even know if she’d had sex (the rape kit said NO). Her situation is not comparable to that of a woman who has been VIOLENTLY ATTACKED in a situation beyond her control.

  144. looch says: Apr 18, 2010 5:38 PM

    who else saw this on ‘the wire’? eventually, the corrupt few trying to cover this mess up inevitably blame and shit-can the police department, taking the blame and glare off themselves..
    I think Ben’s actions are worse than we’re lead to believe, because this all STINKS.

  145. Skippy20008 says: Apr 18, 2010 5:42 PM

    Disturbing. Roethlisberger sounds like Mike Tyson. It’s not about the sex for these guys (God knows there are 1000s of willing groupies out there for them) it’s about taking advantage and exploiting young women. Cretins… the both of them. And shame on anyone for being their fans.

  146. stopthehate says: Apr 18, 2010 5:50 PM

    Thank you Deb!!!
    I bet she hinted at some bathroom fun or even flat out said meet me down the hall thats when Ben told his security to block the door…

  147. Prime Time says: Apr 18, 2010 5:57 PM

    Too Funny:
    Why does everyone that tries to defend Rapistberger have to state that they are a die hard Steelers fan. I think we know that because you guys are the only people that dumb. You deserve your rapist QB.

  148. stopthehate says: Apr 18, 2010 6:06 PM

    Ben is dumbass, with an awful body and terrible hair, but he is not a rapist all of you claiming that he is need to slow down. I hope that he is under center by game 3 next year going for Ring 7!!!

  149. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 6:16 PM

    “Deb says:
    April 18, 2010 5:35 PM
    But I cannot consider as a victim this woman who CHOSE to don a DTF pin and CHOSE to drink herself insensible and CHOSE to climb all over that man and who didn’t even know if she’d had sex (the rape kit said NO). Her situation is not comparable to that of a woman who has been VIOLENTLY ATTACKED in a situation beyond her control.”
    BECAUSE SHE WAS DRUNK! That is WHY banging drunk women is, technically, rape. BECAUSE THEY CAN’T CONSENT TO AN ACT THEY CAN’T REMEMBER. It’s the SAME reason contracts are voidable if one party is inebriated. No matter what she did BEFORE HAND it doesn’t matter IF CONSENT IS ABSENT.
    And as for your last idiotic sentence….that’s real great. Since murder is worse than getting punched in the face, then I can’t consider anyone who gets punched in the face to be the victim of a crime.
    Good reasoning, dipshit.

  150. bluehaze says: Apr 18, 2010 6:17 PM

    Everyone knows Ben’s guilty…this is equivalent to the OJ Simpson case. There will always be the groupies that run around and proclaim his innocence but the vast majority of public of at least average intellectual capacity knows the deal. No need to keep rehashing it…

  151. QBall says: Apr 18, 2010 6:17 PM

    Florio,
    Has it occurred to you that the reason the police failed to secure the so-called crime scene is because the so-called victim answered “NO” when the police asked her at the time if she had been raped? It was only AFTER the bathroom had been cleaned the following morning that she changed her story to incriminate BB. Furthermore, since the rape kit turned up NO DNA on the so-called victim, what possible evidence of any probative value could have been obtained in the bathroom? Or are you suggesting that BB raped the bathroom fixtures as well?

  152. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 6:46 PM

    Am I the only one starting to think Deb actually IS Ben Roethlisberger?

  153. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 6:52 PM

    I once saw a girl passed out drunk with “Slut” written on her forehead, and “Insert penis here” written on her thigh.
    That means if I banged her, it wouldn’t have been rape, right?
    And even if I didn’t bang her, I could grope her, rub on her, do everything short of penetrating her, and it’d still be legal, right?

  154. QBall says: Apr 18, 2010 7:01 PM

    @TFBuckFutter wrote:
    “BECAUSE SHE WAS DRUNK! That is WHY banging drunk women is, technically, rape. BECAUSE THEY CAN’T CONSENT TO AN ACT THEY CAN’T REMEMBER. It’s the SAME reason contracts are voidable if one party is inebriated. No matter what she did BEFORE HAND it doesn’t matter IF CONSENT IS ABSENT.”
    ====================
    You are arguing that drunken sex is, by definition, “rape.” This isn’t true. This confuses “consent” in law with “capacity.” Consent is merely an act of volition (will); it doesn’t require an intelligent choice. Having a drunken escapade that you later regret doesn’t mean that you “didn’t consent.” If drunken sex was outlawed, both parties to the escapade could claim to be “raped,” because any of the touchings that either person performed could be said to be “not consented to” (because of alcohol). So the issue is not that drunk people are forbidden from having sex; the issue is whether one of the drunken parties is being forced to have it, against his or her wishes AT THAT TIME. (http://ludwig.squarespace.com/politics-journal/2010/4/15/the-media-lynching-of-ben-roethlisberger.html)

  155. Deb says: Apr 18, 2010 7:16 PM

    @TFBuckFutter …
    I once went to a party and had too much to drink and a guy I didn’t know and HAD NOT been flirting with dragged me into a dark room got me on the floor and was all over me. I didn’t resist because I was drunk. My friend came looking for me, whacked him in the head, and dragged me out. Guess who I blamed? ME. And I didn’t run around telling everyone the guy tried to rape me either. I CHOSE to drink too much. I LET a jerk drag me into a room without offering any resistance because I was too intoxicated to offer any. I was an adult, responsible for my body and chose to abdicate that responsibility to alcohol. Fortunately, my friend saved my butt. But that near miss was MY FAULT. Yeah, the guy was a sleaze. So’s Roethlisberger. That doesn’t absolve ME of responsibility for MY behavior. And there’s no way I could confuse THAT with rape.

  156. BigBear123 says: Apr 18, 2010 7:22 PM

    He doesn’t point out the fact that the girl claims that 6’5″ Ben Roethlisberger had sex with her while she was sitting on the toilet???
    Furthermore, since the rape kit turned up NO DNA on the so-called victim, what possible evidence of any probative value could have been obtained in the bathroom?
    ————
    Use your imagination junior, sex can be oral too.

  157. Deb says: Apr 18, 2010 7:24 PM

    @stopthehate …
    I’m sorry I answered you sharply. I thought you were being sarcastic. I’ve just gotten so used to it.

  158. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 7:55 PM

    “QBall says:
    April 18, 2010 7:01 PM
    You are arguing that drunken sex is, by definition, “rape.” This isn’t true. This confuses “consent” in law with “capacity.” Consent is merely an act of volition (will); it doesn’t require an intelligent choice. Having a drunken escapade that you later regret doesn’t mean that you “didn’t consent.” If drunken sex was outlawed, both parties to the escapade could claim to be “raped,” because any of the touchings that either person performed could be said to be “not consented to” (because of alcohol). So the issue is not that drunk people are forbidden from having sex; the issue is whether one of the drunken parties is being forced to have it, against his or her wishes AT THAT TIME. (http://ludwig.squarespace.com/politics-journal/2010/4/15/the-media-lynching-of-ben-roethlisberger.html)”
    http://www.sdcda.org/helping/prevent-rape/index.html
    Consent ABSOLUTELY requires an intelligent choice. Which is why it is not LEGAL to obtain it from someone who is incapacitated. From the link: “If she’s wasted, intoxicated, asleep, or unconscious, she cannot give legal consent, even if she said “yes”
    That’s from the San Diego County District Attorney. These laws are on the books EVERYWHERE, they just aren’t always implied.
    And, for the record, you can’t molest mentally retarded people either. Know why? BECAUSE THEY CAN’T CONSENT.

  159. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 8:02 PM

    “Deb says:
    April 18, 2010 7:02 PM
    @TFBuckFutter …
    I was just a couple of years older than the Georgia woman when a man attacked me, forced himself on me while I fought until I was physically overpowered. There was no question in my mind that I’d been raped. I remember every gruelling second.”
    Well, it’s lucky for you that people didn’t regularly accuse you of asking for it. Were you dressed in a provocative way?
    It must have been really hard for the people you were surrounded by to just stand there and watch you be raped. Or were you alone? Oh, why were you alone? Gee….I guess what happened to you was your fault for not taking more responsibility for youself and being safer, huh?
    (I’m being facetious. I am sorry that you’ve been attacked, but I find it odd that someone who has been in that situation could be so willfully hateful of other women in similar situations just because their’s wasn’t as violent, or because they “asked” for it.)
    “I once went to a party and had too much to drink and a guy I didn’t know and HAD NOT been flirting with dragged me into a dark room got me on the floor and was all over me. I didn’t resist because I was drunk. My friend came looking for me, whacked him in the head, and dragged me out. Guess who I blamed? ME. And I didn’t run around telling everyone the guy tried to rape me either. I CHOSE to drink too much. I LET a jerk drag me into a room without offering any resistance because I was too intoxicated to offer any. I was an adult, responsible for my body and chose to abdicate that responsibility to alcohol. Fortunately, my friend saved my butt. But that near miss was MY FAULT. Yeah, the guy was a sleaze. So’s Roethlisberger. That doesn’t absolve ME of responsibility for MY behavior. And there’s no way I could confuse THAT with rape.”
    There’s a reason people call you an idiot. Do you feel responsible for whomever else that scumbag attempted, or succeeded, in raping? Because you should.
    There’s a BIG difference between personal responsibility in protecting yourself, and the legal responsibility of others to not prey on the defenseless. Is it wise to go into a dark alley alone? No. You shouldn’t do that. Is it still a crime if you are robbed, raped, beaten, murdered? Or should that just be chalked up to your own stupidity?
    People have a legal right to be safe regardless of their condition or the choices they make. That doesn’t mean they have a cosmic right to it.

  160. Jaydub says: Apr 18, 2010 9:39 PM

    Deb says: April 18, 2010 7:02 PM
    @TFBuckFutter …
    I was just a couple of years older than the Georgia woman when a man attacked me, forced himself on me while I fought until I was physically overpowered. There was no question in my mind that I’d been raped. I remember every gruelling second.
    —————————————————-
    Why, oh why do you insist on bringing this up in every single one of your bullshit posts? Unless you were raped by Ben Roethlisberger, no one here gives a shit. Are you really that starved for attention?

  161. TFBuckFutter says: Apr 18, 2010 9:49 PM

    “Jaydub says:
    April 18, 2010 9:39 PM
    Why, oh why do you insist on bringing this up in every single one of your bullshit posts? Unless you were raped by Ben Roethlisberger, no one here gives a shit. Are you really that starved for attention?”
    She thinks her experience gives her license to devalue other women who have “only” been sexually assaulted, and to blame them for it (and even in her own words, absolve someone who attempted to rape HER).
    I think she needs therapy.

  162. Deb says: Apr 18, 2010 10:18 PM

    @Jaydub and TFBuckFutter …
    It seems natural that a rape survivor, a near lifelong Steelers fan, and the sister of a criminal defense attorney would take a personal interest in this case. And since people keep calling me horrific names for trying to be balanced and say that BOTH parties behaved in a sleazy manner that night, yes, I do mention my own rape story as a way of saying I’m not defending or excusing Roethlisberger.
    On the other hand, you two are constantly posting your titillating unsubstantiated theories about a sexual assault allegation that has nothing to do with you or your football teams. Apparently you both just have a sick fascination with rape stories and an unnatural obsession with Roethlisberger.
    I think you need therapy.

  163. SteelBuck says: Apr 18, 2010 11:05 PM

    BigBear123 , are you dumb? I’m sure they swabed her mouth so if it were oral, a DNA sample would be available. By the way, I didn’t know he raped her mouth. Dumb!

  164. Deb says: Apr 18, 2010 11:24 PM

    @TFBuckFutter …
    Oh, that’s right, you’re the Northerner who hates Southerners … another bit of your charm. I don’t live in Georgia. Sorry. Again, there is no evidence the woman was raped. It’s a he said/she said situation and her story changed repeatedly. The rape kit was negative. You keep talking about a rape when the authorities found that to be without merit. I’m not excusing his abominable behavior, just saying you can’t have a rape victim if you did not have a rape.
    If you ask Susan Brownmiller, all men are potential rapists. But the man at the party was just a stranger who pulled me into a dark room before my friend pulled me out. I never thought of that as an attempted rape or him as a potential rapist. Maybe that was my mistake. But if I had thought of it at the time, it wouldn’t have mattered. I was in another country. We ended up at the place by accident and left on foot. I don’t know where we were and couldn’t have identified the place or the man if my life depended on it.
    The irony of that night is that my friend talked me into “letting go” on vacation because I tend to be very cautious. And no matter what you think, the stupidity I displayed that night does not equate to my other situation–which was completely out of my control. I would not have the same feeling for an idiot that walked up to an African American and said the N-word and got the crap beaten out of him that I have for Matthew Shepard. Sometimes people create their own misery by being drunk or promiscuous or stupid, and sometimes they are victimized just because they are female or black or gay or whatever. I know it’s all equal in the sight of the law. But when you’ve lived it, sometimes it’s hard to be completely dispassionate.

  165. Jaydub says: Apr 19, 2010 5:47 AM

    Deb says: April 18, 2010 10:18 PM
    @Jaydub and TFBuckFutter …
    On the other hand, you two are constantly posting your titillating unsubstantiated theories about a sexual assault allegation that has nothing to do with you or your football teams. Apparently you both just have a sick fascination with rape stories and an unnatural obsession with Roethlisberger.
    I think you need therapy.
    ————————————————
    Pot? I’d like you to meet The Kettle
    Aren’t you the one repeatedly posting very private information about yourself that everyone has been aware of for weeks upon weeks now? If that doesn’t scream THERAPY, I don’t know what does.
    As far as having an obsession about Rapistberger, well…..I guess there are a whole lot of people with that same affliction in this country, considering that any and all sports media has been harping on it since he was initially accused and “mysteriously” exonerated. EVERYONE is talking about it. Only thing is, very few are stupid enough to think he’s innocent. How does it feel to be in such distinguished company?

  166. QBall says: Apr 19, 2010 12:37 PM

    If Roethlisberger raped this girl, then why wasn’t his DNA found on her when she was checked at the hospital? How do you rape someone and NOT leave your DNA? The information released by the GBI indicated that investigators only needed a nanogram; i.e. one-billionth of a gram of genetic material to create a profile and that they were unable to do even that. So… how can this guy be guilty of rape?

  167. Mooch says: Apr 19, 2010 1:09 PM

    Not securing the crime scene.
    Wow.
    And they wonder why we make fun of the South.

  168. Deb says: Apr 19, 2010 1:22 PM

    @Jaydub ….
    The therapy comment was a direct response to TFBuckFutter’s post. Others on PFT/CFT have posted about their assault experiences. One guy posted about the woman who faked a pregnancy to trap his son. Several have posted about their DUI arrests, experience with the courts, unemployment problems … several have posted about situations involving friends or concerns about their daughters. Most people draw from personal experiences when making points. My experience happens to be applicable to this situation.
    I’m anonymous and people close to me know my history, so posting it here isn’t an issue for me. I’ve done the work to make peace with my past. And since I handled it with courage and grace, I’m not ashamed. You’ll have to ask yourself why my mentioning it makes you uncomfortable.
    The only time I worry is if my views seem to reflect the majority. I argued passionately for Richard Jewell and the Ramseys when my friends and even my mother (re the Ramseys) wanted them stoned and thought I was nuts. I didn’t know if they were innocent–only that there was no evidence of guilt. Turned out I was right and the majority wrong.
    Roethlisberger is a jackass and has problems the Steelers should have addressed before now. But there’s no evidence that he raped anyone. The Nevada accuser’s own text messages and other testimony contradict her story. The Georgia accuser changed her story multiple times and the rape kit shows she was not raped. He can’t be guilty of rape if there was no rape. That doesn’t make him an angel. That’s just what a thorough review of the evidence shows–and I have thoroughly reviewed it.
    My goal as an assault survivor is seeing dangerous predators locked up, not appeasing riled-up football fans. And there is no EVIDENCE that he’s a sexual predator–only a self-destructive sleaze who may have a drinking problem. The league needs to stay out of it because they’ve never suspended in a case like this and it would open a can of worms. But the Steelers need to take a hard stand–including suspension, if that’s what it takes–to save this idiot from himself.
    The DA said he hopes the girl learned a lesson. So do I. Why would a young college student advertise herself as DTF and repeatedly get blasted out of her mind and throw it out there for men she’s just met? That’s sad. She needs to make changes, too, before she screws up her life.
    I’m not the idiot ogre you want to think I am, Jaydub. And this isn’t about football for me.

  169. this class sucks says: Apr 19, 2010 1:34 PM

    Ok every Steeler fan needs to stop commenting on any Ben related article that in anyway references this incident. All it does is push that article to the top of the most comment and garnish more attention. Just stop talking about it and it will go away. I know other people are talking about it, and several other people’s comments use inane logic, but who cares? They are just guys with computers who would defend their favorite player if he was in Ben’s position. So once again:
    ALL STEELER FANS STOP COMMENTING ON BEN RELATED ARTICLES.

  170. themage78 says: Apr 19, 2010 1:53 PM

    First OJ, now this. Can any cop do his f*cking job right anymore? I love how these idiots handle valuable evidence.

  171. Deb says: Apr 19, 2010 2:23 PM

    @this class sucks …
    You’re right, but it won’t go away until the league/the Steelers dole out the punishment. After that we can all get back to football.

  172. Deb says: Apr 19, 2010 2:46 PM

    @Mooch and themag78 …
    When asked by the cops and the hospital personnel that night, she repeatedly said she was not raped. She didn’t change her story until the next day after the bathroom had been cleaned. Despite Florio’s snarkiness, I imagine the restroom is cleaned at least once a day.
    The cleaning of the bathroom would have had no impact on the results of the rape kit, which was negative for intercourse. That means she wasn’t raped–which is probably why she told the cops she wasn’t sure if she’d had sex.
    The only male DNA found on her was a speck so teeny tiny it could not even be tested for identification. You don’t need a very big speck to test for identification so that had to be one tiny speck.
    Ben’s an ass, but she wasn’t raped. So there was no crime. So there was no crime scene to secure.
    Did anyone catch the footage of the Maryland cops beating the heck out of an unarmed basketball fan for no reason a week or so ago? L.A. cops didn’t secure the Simpson double-murder scene. This isn’t a Southern thing so please leave your bigotry at the door, Mooch.

  173. Jeff Smith says: Apr 19, 2010 3:00 PM

    Good article, Florio.
    I quit reading the comments after a while (some of the people here are a bit twisted). I did laugh at that “CSI Georgia” crack.

  174. this class sucks says: Apr 19, 2010 3:25 PM

    @Deb
    I’m counting on you Deb. You have nothing to prove, just let people comment. If they want to state their opinion on Ben, let them, that doesn’t change anything. If they say things that make no sense, thats fine, don’t respond.

  175. DoomsDayD75 says: Apr 19, 2010 4:59 PM

    Did that Deb chick just say it was ok to rape women that get so drunk that they pass out or can’t defend themselves? That’s the craziest shit I’ve ever heard.

  176. spliffbunker says: Apr 19, 2010 5:33 PM

    Deb:
    I continue to be amazed & appalled at the comments directed towards you….as I have posted before I appreciate the research you have
    done & understand what your’e saying
    you have been very clear & if folks like
    DoomsDayD75 says:
    April 19, 2010 4:59 PM
    & all the others cant understand it’s not your fault
    don’t let them get you down…

  177. this class sucks says: Apr 19, 2010 5:39 PM

    @DoomsDayD75
    Clearly you are an idiot if thats what you read. She is saying that in the situation she was in she feels their was responsibility on both sides.

  178. bobzilla says: Apr 19, 2010 7:15 PM

    @Deb: You’ve lived quite a life!!! How many rented cops/bodyguards do you employ? If the answer is zero, maybe you ought to buy some.

  179. Deb says: Apr 19, 2010 8:23 PM

    @DoomsDay75 … No, that’s not what I said.
    @this class sucks … I’m already boycotting threads about Roethlisberger trade rumors because they’re silly. I’ll comment on whatever punishment he gets. After that, I’m moving on.
    @spliffbunker … Thank you. Those kind of comments say nothing about me and everything about the people posting them. I know them for what they are. And in some dark corner of their souls, so do they.
    @bobzilla … You’re being a smart aleck, but yeah, I have lived quite a life. I’ve survived several battles with cancer as well as sexual assault. When I was raped, I was living in a war zone in another country where I’d gone to write. And sometimes when we were in exceptionally dangerous situations the people I was writing about did assign some of their security staff to me … for free.

  180. this class sucks says: Apr 19, 2010 10:46 PM

    Good idea Deb. I am a Steeler/49er fan so if the Steelers are really going to trade Ben I sure hope its to the 49ers.

  181. pats94 says: Apr 21, 2010 1:25 AM

    if ben was black he would already be behind bars

  182. GirthyOne says: Apr 21, 2010 11:12 AM

    You tell them Deb. Lot of idiots on these sites. Don’t let them get you down.
    For all you white haters, quit it. You’re making yourselves look like the back side of a horse! This case (against a white guy) received so much more attention that it would have if he was a regular Joe, black or white. I see DT Eric Foster from the Colts is being accused of the same thing. He is also getting sued in civil court. Are you saying the same things about him? Nope, I checked, none of you said a thing.

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