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What we learned from the Tony Scheffler trade

E. Sims.jpgWe gave you the details on the three-way trade that sent Tony Scheffler to Detroit and Ernie Sims to Philadelphia.  Now let’s try to figure out what it all means.

1. The Lions were really down on Ernie Sims.  The Florida State product once looked like a future Pro Bowler, but he struggled with injuries last year.  There is concern he will never hold up in run support, and his play began to decline in 2008.  They weren’t going to give him a long-term deal.

2. The Eagles have a lot of questions at linebacker and not much depth, as we pointed out in our team needs recap.  Adding Sims for a fifth-round pick was a low-risk move and fits what the Eagles do.

3. The Lions may have some concerns about tight end Brandon Pettigrew’s recovery from ACL surgery.  More likely, the Lions were intrigued by Scheffler’s ability to take over games and create mismatch problems.

The Broncos didn’t love Scheffler’s work habits, but he now gives Matthew Stafford another weapon on an offense that needs them.  Scheffler and Pettigrew may be the most intriguing young tight end combination in the league.

4. Denver did fine in the Brandon Marshall trade.  Not so much here.

5. The Bengals must not have wanted Scheffler, because they had two fourth-round picks.

6. Denver’s first three picks from their famed ’06 draft class are all ex-Broncos.  (Jay Cutler, Scheffler, Brandon Marshall.)  Elvis Dumervil, watch your back.

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41 Responses to “What we learned from the Tony Scheffler trade”
  1. fent says: Apr 19, 2010 12:48 PM

    Scheffler and Pettigrew is more intriguing than Cooley and Davis?

  2. Laxer37 says: Apr 19, 2010 12:49 PM

    The Bengals decided to pass when they realized they had no idea what a tight end was or how to use one.

  3. CJV123 says: Apr 19, 2010 12:49 PM

    Scheffler, when healthy, is an elite offensive TE. Denver gave him away for absolutely nothing here. I have no idea why Bowlen puts up with his weird little Napoleon coach there. I’m also guessing the Patriots are very bent about now.

  4. JDMP says: Apr 19, 2010 12:52 PM

    Shefler and a seventh Lions win!

  5. spliffbunker says: Apr 19, 2010 12:53 PM

    Ty:
    wish you would post more here…you going to enjoy Stafford to Scheffler

  6. Andy says: Apr 19, 2010 12:55 PM

    # 4. is confusing.
    Scheffler is a poor man’s Kellen Winslow.
    Very atheletic.
    Always thought he could be a top TE if he was thrown the ball more.

  7. Buffalo Hogan says: Apr 19, 2010 12:56 PM

    What we learned from the Tony Scheffler trade? Matt Millen is still running the Lions. Way to give up another 1st round pick for a backup tight end.

  8. TheVillain112 says: Apr 19, 2010 12:56 PM

    Or maybe the Broncos didn’t want to trade Scheffler to the Bengals?

  9. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Apr 19, 2010 12:58 PM

    u keep Julian Peterson but trade Ernie Sims? WTF

  10. philwauke says: Apr 19, 2010 1:00 PM

    Im confused. Your first paragraph talks about the trade that sent scheffler to Denver and sims to Detroit. I thought. They were already there?

  11. RCT930 says: Apr 19, 2010 1:00 PM

    Denver didn’t do so well with this trade? A disgruntled TE who doesn’t fit the offensive system for an early 5th rounder (when SB MVP Holmes went for a later 5th rounder)? And, as you state, the Bengals had two fourth rounders and didn’t bite. So Denver must have gotten market value.

  12. Buff_bronc_fan says: Apr 19, 2010 1:03 PM

    The one thing you left out that we learned from this trade is that the Broncos obviously didn’t have any interest in Sims, or there would have been no need to involve a 3rd team. So that shows you how far his stock has fallen.

  13. marcduke says: Apr 19, 2010 1:04 PM

    “More likely, the Lions were intrigued by Scheffler’s ability to take over games and create mismatch problems.”
    When did this ever happen???

  14. dmciggle says: Apr 19, 2010 1:05 PM

    Hey Ty, what you predicted was Sims to the Eagles for Jason Avant, missed the mention of Avant in the Article.
    Peace off…

  15. emoser says: Apr 19, 2010 1:06 PM

    “I actually called Sims to the Eagles back in January”
    Nobody cares. You probably also have a list of 20 predictions that were wrong.

  16. barry20fan says: Apr 19, 2010 1:09 PM

    Huge fan of this trade.
    Hope the Eagles like their LB’s over pursuing and running down the wrong gaps.
    Bulluck to the Lions in ’10. You heard it here first.

  17. Spaz says: Apr 19, 2010 1:12 PM

    Excellent post Mr. Rosenthal, you hit all your points on the head.

  18. bucknbroncos says: Apr 19, 2010 1:13 PM

    What did we learn? That McD and the Broncos have been purging more in the last year than a 16 year old girl with bulimia.
    marcduke if you want an example go look at the Broncs/Chargers game from week six last year.

  19. JAG880 says: Apr 19, 2010 1:14 PM

    @ Joker
    I think you got it wrong too. See how easy it is?

  20. SamWycheForPrez says: Apr 19, 2010 1:14 PM

    “5. The Bengals must not have wanted Scheffler, because they had two fourth-round picks.”
    Correction… the Bengals did not pass on Scheffler because they didn’t want him. They passed because Mike Brown did not want to PAY him.

  21. surefooted says: Apr 19, 2010 1:14 PM

    # ninjapleazee says: April 19, 2010 1:02 PM
    yeah, you also called about Sims to 5 other teams.. and stop it with the weak self-promotion.. it’s lame.
    You should’ve started that comment with your name. lol

  22. klungemonger says: Apr 19, 2010 1:19 PM

    @ Buffalo Hogan:
    Whatever, Mayhew has already acquired in 2 offseasons more talent than Millen did in FA and the draft in 8 years. So what if Sims was a first rounder. The evidence is in and he sucks, like 99% of all Millen picks do/did. He’s not worth a 1st round trade value anymore and was gone after this year anyways. We got a decent player and another pick for him, instead of just cutting him loose after another injury-riddled and unproductive season.

  23. Lavar21 says: Apr 19, 2010 1:23 PM

    most promising young tight end tandem in the league? I’ll take Chris Cooooooley and sleepy head Fred Davis all day.

  24. scrapdawg12 says: Apr 19, 2010 1:35 PM

    Eagles should now give their late 2nd and their 4th to Denver for Dumervil. We need a stud DE badly.

  25. Spaz says: Apr 19, 2010 1:35 PM

    “The Bengals decided to pass when they realized they had no idea what a tight end was or how to use one.”
    LMFAOLMFAOOOOO!!!!

  26. mmcnulty says: Apr 19, 2010 1:46 PM

    Great move for the Eagles. Very low risk/High reward.

  27. CJV123 says: Apr 19, 2010 1:50 PM

    RTC930-
    Stop lying- DEN also gave a 7th. They got a 5th minus a 7th, not a 5th.

  28. ClownBurger says: Apr 19, 2010 1:54 PM

    The Lions fans who are upset about this trade HAVE NO CLUE.
    The Lions got the best deal of the 3 teams.
    Sims was gone anyway after this season. In 1 year they get nothing for him.
    And it’s pretty obvious the Lions made this move with a replacement idea in mind.

  29. DanSnyder says: Apr 19, 2010 2:13 PM

    Yah I’d have to the say the skins tightend tandem is more promising then the lions. Dallas also has a great tandem too. Actually the 49ers have one too it’s just walker isn’t very well known.
    Funny thing about the skins tight ends is they are already proven and both are actually younger then the guys on the lions to compare them. Cooley has more then twice as many yards and is younger the sheffler and davis is going into his 3rd season and is younger then pettigrew.

  30. Thomas Paquette says: Apr 19, 2010 2:22 PM

    Or maybe the Bengals never wanted him and once again Joe Reedy wrote another shoddy, opinionated article.

  31. Bronco4life says: Apr 19, 2010 2:33 PM

    @scrapdawg12:
    How bout the rest of your draft picks for doom? 2nd and 4th, I don’t think so. typical dillusional, easy gag-reflex philly fan.

  32. marcduke says: Apr 19, 2010 2:37 PM

    # bucknbroncos says: April 19, 2010 1:13 PM
    What did we learn? That McD and the Broncos have been purging more in the last year than a 16 year old girl with bulimia.
    marcduke if you want an example go look at the Broncs/Chargers game from week six last year.
    ________________________________
    Ok, I looked – he had a solid game(6 catches, 101 yards, 1 TD) and when you take it out of the equation for the year, he had 25 catches for 315 yards and a TD in the other 15 games. Not exactly an eye-popping effort overall.

  33. IronDracula says: Apr 19, 2010 2:53 PM

    Ernie Sims has a ton of talent, but very questionable decision making.
    He traded in a Lamborghini Gallardo for a Lamborghini Murcielago LP640. Picked up his new Lambo and decided it was a good time to take it to the nudie bar a couple hours after picking it up.
    He left the nudie and crashed into a highway concrete divider whilst trying to hot rod the new car. Causing roughly 200k in damage to the car.
    He then proceeded to claim he was not the owner yet as his check had not been deposited.
    Once legal action was threatened he then took accountability and sold the car to a wholesaler as is. In other words, he apparently didnt even have it insured yet.
    It is items like this that make the reasoning all the more viable for why the Lions let him go.
    Great trade for the Lions.

  34. azdetroitfan says: Apr 19, 2010 3:03 PM

    Clearly the Lions have given up on defense. The WR strategy didn’t pan out so now they are taking a stab at the finesse TE strategy. Intriguing is not the word I would use.
    All the Meyhew supporters might want to ease up. nothing he has done has panned out or resulted in W’s on sunday yet. There isn’t a noticeable difference in talent level on this team yet. To put that is perspective Joey Harrington had more wins in his first season than Stafford did.

  35. pacificamike says: Apr 19, 2010 3:17 PM

    great trade for detroit, ernie sucks

  36. tango says: Apr 19, 2010 3:38 PM

    Call me crazy but is Detroit finally putting a competive team together ?

  37. McBomb says: Apr 19, 2010 4:09 PM

    @DanSnyder
    Davis is younger than Pettigrew but Cooley is older than Scheffler. Get your facts straight.
    Also, Pettigrew has all of the tools to become better than all three of the other guys if he recovers from his ACL injury properly. Cooley needs to come back from injury as well so I think it’s pretty close.

  38. m2karateman says: Apr 19, 2010 4:14 PM

    What it means is that the Eagles were desperate for some linebacking help. Believe me, Sims is not as good as advertised. He’s a liability in the passing game, over-pursues on a regular basis, and looks for the big hit rather than wrapping up. He can’t negotiate traffic all that well, and isn’t a very effective blitzer against a RB that can pass block with any level of effectiveness.
    Sheffler somehow got on the wrong side of McDaniels, and it seems just about any player capable of offensive production not drafted by Josh has been targeted for dismissal or trade. Sheffler is insurance for the Lions to allow Brandon Pettigrew to fully heal, while still having a deep threat from off the line. Heller is our strong blocker, and Dan Gronkowski is the developmental player. The Lions seem to be moving in the direction of an Indianapolis type offense, with the rare use of a FB, as opposed to using two TE sets and motion of the TEs to set up mismatches in the passing game or along the line for the running game. Denver moves up in the draft from the seventh to the fifth round, and the Lions get another late round pick in hopes of developing a young player for depth (ala Gronkowski and Zack Follet from the last draft).
    Or perhaps the Lions will possibly trade Sheffler during the draft to a team that misses out on a top shelf pass catching TE? Possible, but not probable. But still possible.

  39. Route36West says: Apr 19, 2010 5:49 PM

    Lavar21 says:
    April 19, 2010 1:23 PM
    most promising young tight end tandem in the league? I’ll take Chris Cooooooley and sleepy head Fred Davis all day.
    Ill take Celek and Ingram or even Witten and Bennett over Shefter and Pettigrew

  40. Voyager6 says: Apr 19, 2010 8:41 PM

    Ummm, you do know you can’t trade comp picks (i.e., the Bengals have two fourth rounders)

  41. sullijo says: Apr 19, 2010 8:58 PM

    Tony, you can’t make the club in the tub – not even in Detroit.
    If the lions can get this guy to remember his route on more than 5 plays, it will be an upgrade.
    Tony does not equal intelligent.

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