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JaMarcus Russell could go down as biggest draft bust ever

When NFL Network compiled its list of the Top 10 draft busts in league history, Ryan Leaf came in first.

Some day they’ll update that list, and JaMarcus Russell may just supplant Leaf in the top spot.

If the reports out today that Russell will be released are correct, the historical record will show that the Raiders spent the first pick in the draft on a player who provided them with 25 starts and completed 354 of 680 passes (52.1%) for 4,083 yards, with 18 touchdowns and 23 interceptions. Russell was sacked 70 times and fumbled 25 times.

For the most part Leaf’s numbers with the San Diego Chargers were even worse than that, which might lead some to conclude that Russell can’t be a bigger bust than Leaf (even though, if reports that he weighs 300 pounds are true, he has a bigger bust than Leaf).

But Leaf was the second overall pick in 1998. Russell was the first overall pick in 2007. There have been quarterbacks picked first overall who turned out to be bad, but none so spectacularly bad as Russell.

Leaf recently told the Los Angeles Times, “I used to go to bed at night hoping somebody else like Heath Shuler might magically leapfrog me on those all-time bust lists. It never happened. Why? Because I am No. 1. I can’t even think of anyone else in the ballpark that might be close to my combination of disappointment and failed expectations.”

Russell is in the ballpark now.

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182 Responses to “JaMarcus Russell could go down as biggest draft bust ever”
  1. GoBrowns19 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:40 PM

    When Russell tried to get up, the ballpark stuck to his waist.

  2. Jack Acid says: Apr 27, 2010 6:40 PM

    What do you mean “could”?

  3. Vet735 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:42 PM

    He may be the fattest draft bust ever.
    But I still give the title to Ryan Leaf. In addition to the sheer incompetence, he adds a whole new level of douchebaggery to the equation.

  4. Fantavet says: Apr 27, 2010 6:42 PM

    Go to college on a scholarship, become a stud, get drafted #1, bank almost $36 million at job where you get fired.
    Then retire. All before what? 24, 25 years old? I missed that boat.

  5. Skip Toomilu says: Apr 27, 2010 6:42 PM

    From the “Whew!! CLOSE ONE!!” file…
    “I almost drafted that guy #1 (3rd overall) for the Browns instead of Joe Thomas, LT, 3 Pro Bowls in 3 Seasons. Wow~ now THAT was a close one~!! It is gonna be hard enough for me to get a job after that Cleveland fiasco I created.”
    – P. Savage
    (Browns fans, you know what Im talkin’ about!!? Savage really did want to take Russell but somehow, didn’t that day. Of all the Phil-Savegism’s…had he taken Russell instead of Thomas then, the Browns really would be DEAD.)

  6. nfcbeast says: Apr 27, 2010 6:44 PM

    THANK YOU SO MUCH!-Ryan Leaf
    You can’t even feel bad for him,
    he’s lazy,
    bad attitude,
    never took the blame.
    He’s gonna miss having his hands on a guys sack every sunday…
    I can’t wait to go to Mardi Gras and watch Jamarcus cook me some creole food at a street vender.

  7. 909RaiderLifer says: Apr 27, 2010 6:44 PM

    DO IT AL! swing the ax.

  8. GirthyOne says: Apr 27, 2010 6:44 PM

    I’d vote Russell as the biggest bust every. Number 1 overall and didn’t even try. So sad.
    Oh well, doesn’t he have something like $50M that he cashed in on already.

  9. rx says: Apr 27, 2010 6:44 PM

    Leaf is at least self aware. Russell certainly doesn’t have that going for him.

  10. BaltimoreSports says: Apr 27, 2010 6:44 PM

    In the guys defense he was drafted by the Raiders

  11. vbhall78 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:44 PM

    Russell did beat Brett Favre and the Jets last year…. HEHEHEHEHEHE. He can always become an ESPN analyst like Tim Hasselbeck and act like he won some significant games. LOL

  12. se18a29 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:46 PM

    I would rather be poor and considered a winner than be rich and known as a loser the rest of your life there JaMucus… what a punk.

  13. Tennessee_Tyrant says: Apr 27, 2010 6:46 PM

    Yes … I have to say Jamarcus was probably the smartest of the two , as he held out for more money his rookie season – even though he was ballooning in weight even then … Russell is so sad the Raiders are going to cut him ? …I wonder if the Redskins have any interest ….

  14. VAraiderFan says: Apr 27, 2010 6:47 PM

    I will pay for the UHAUL to take his fat worthless @ss back to Louisiana

  15. Pack_Attack says: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 PM

    I never thought “JaMarcus Russell” was gonna look good on the ring-of-honor anyway.

  16. dkpeagles says: Apr 27, 2010 6:49 PM

    he will be the biggest .. weight wise at least. If he gets picked up by some other team, then that will be better than Leaf. Once he starts getting arrested for abusing drugs will I put him in the same category as Ryan Leaf

  17. thejedi says: Apr 27, 2010 6:49 PM

    No way! Leaf will always hold that title!
    I can’t wait to see the movie!

  18. Chapnasty2 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:49 PM

    I think a lot more money was wasted on Russell making him the #1

  19. SaintsXLIV says: Apr 27, 2010 6:50 PM

    I don’t think he’s the biggest bust ever. I still think that belongs to Leaf. Leaf was expected to be a franchise QB. Many people, including me, never thought that of JaMarcus.
    Now worst draft decision ever, maybe! I never understood why he was selected #1, he was never outstanding at LSU.

  20. Jeff W says: Apr 27, 2010 6:50 PM

    Throw in the guaranteed money which I believe was $39M for Russell and only $11M for Leaf and Russell wins biggest bust of all time by a landslide.

  21. Steeleheader says: Apr 27, 2010 6:50 PM

    “You’re not supposed to be as strong as I am. You’re not supposed to be as fast as I am. You’re not supposed to be as good as I am.” – Tony Mandarich, 1989

  22. Brownwood26 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:50 PM

    Russell is on top of the bust list, no doubt whatsoever. The year Leaf came out, it was an either/or proposition between him and Peyton Manning. If the Colts had made that mistake with the first pick–or if the Chargers were picking first instead–Manning is likely a Charger. San Diego didn’t survey the entire draft class and determine Ryan Leaf the best of the best. Russell was by the Raiders.
    So Leaf may have had worse numbers, but Russell was the biggest bust.

  23. dcsilverthorn says: Apr 27, 2010 6:50 PM

    no way there is zippy chance anyone will ever top r. leaf and the biggest draft bust ever.

  24. Trips Right, 68 Slant, D Slant says: Apr 27, 2010 6:50 PM

    The ‘Raider-Haters have been put on notice; their Mox-Nix B-Rated Rhetoric is “Officially” MUTED.
    The only thing that we’re tryin’ to hear is the following;
    ‘Rolando McClain Interview outside of his home immediately upon being Drafted’ (CLASSIC For The Ages!)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZiDH6nRmJI
    ‘Oakland Raiders 2010 Draft Compilation’ (“And you know this…………MANNNNN!!!!)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wnw5dmBHpA
    ‘See you guys when we host the playoffs.
    ‘NATION!!!!!!

  25. aec4 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:51 PM

    Leaf is still a bigger bust than Russell.
    If the Raiders picked 1st in 1998, they would have taken Leaf over Manning.

  26. chadc4240 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:52 PM

    What is his production per $ paid to him? I bet he trumps Leaf

  27. blackandsilver62 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:54 PM

    Maybe Russell could salvage his career by becoming an offensive lineman. Seriously, he ought to return a huge chunk of Al Davis’ money.

  28. robert ethan says: Apr 27, 2010 6:54 PM

    Hey, c’mon, Russell is 24 years old. There are quarterbacks taken in last weeks draft that are that old. When Vince Young was 24 his future probably looked at least as bleak. Tom Brady was 24 before he won the starting job in N.E., I believe.

  29. CheersAdam says: Apr 27, 2010 6:55 PM

    I think that he was a #1 overall pick sets him apart.

  30. JJCheesehead says: Apr 27, 2010 6:55 PM

    i think the insane amount of money paid to russel has to play into this as well.

  31. TheWizard says: Apr 27, 2010 6:55 PM

    What is most disturbing is that Russell actively chose his path.

  32. shannahoebringing#4 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:55 PM

    For a guy that held out for more money and has been a joke since…he should have to pay some of the money back–with interest!!! Just hope now that Dan Snidner doesn’t pick this Jack@ss up!!!

  33. troll_aikman8 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:55 PM

    Josh McDaniels sees something in him.

  34. Deb says: Apr 27, 2010 6:56 PM

    Russell has been a bust so far, but unlike Leaf, his career isn’t over. And you’ve got to look at his history …
    Russell skipped his last year of college eligibility, and missed his first training camp and preseason in a contract dispute. Then he was in the hands of … Little Laney Kiffin. So he didn’t get much development before he was thrown in as a starter. He spent a year and a half in the Davis/Kiffin Wars before getting a new coach. And Cable hasn’t exactly been drama-free. The guy is out of shape, under-coached, and over-blinged. But he still has potential, and if he goes to a team that will give him some guidance and require him to shape up, he could turn into a serviceable QB. That’s small comfort to the Raiders, but he’d still be better than Leaf.

  35. Tdk24 says: Apr 27, 2010 6:56 PM

    Underwood is the biggest bust ever. At least Leaf and Russell won games.

  36. RaiderMight says: Apr 27, 2010 6:57 PM

    Ryan Leaf is still a bigger bust. Both still sucked a lot, but stats don’t lie:
    Career stats
    ————-
    JaWalrus :
    18tds, 23ints, 4,083yrds, 52.1% rating.
    Leaf:
    14tds, 36ints, 3,666yrds 48.4%.
    Plus Leaf could end up in prison…. The m

  37. NDallasruss says: Apr 27, 2010 6:58 PM

    What’s the over/under for the number of years until we see Tebow at FB with JaMarcus across the line at DT?
    I say 3rd game, 2012. Write it down.

  38. jp says: Apr 27, 2010 7:00 PM

    Via Wikipedia:
    Russell: 6 year contract worth up to $68 million, with $31.5 million guaranteed.
    Leaf: 4 year contract worth $31.25 million, including a guaranteed $11.25 million signing bonus.
    Russell is the biggest (literally) and most expensive bust ever.

  39. Bordner says: Apr 27, 2010 7:00 PM

    (even though, if reports that he weighs 300 pounds are true, he has a bigger bust than Leaf)
    ————————————————–
    Was that his problem? Man-boobs got in the way? The famous Russell He-hooters?
    That comment from Leaf sounds surprisingly mature and introspective for him. I met him when he played for Wazzu and he was a total jerk then. I can only imagine what he was like once he got to the NFL.

  40. Raider B says: Apr 27, 2010 7:01 PM

    a close 2nd to Ryan Leaf.
    Ryan Leaf stats –
    Rookie season – 45.3 cmp %, 2 TDs, 15 INTs
    2nd year -, 50 cmp %, 11 TDs, 18 INTs
    3rd year – 51.1 cmp %, 1 TD, 3 INTs
    Out of the league.
    Jamarcus Russell stats –
    Rookie season – 54.5 cmp %, 2 TDs, 4 INTs
    2nd year – 53.8 cmp %, 13 TDs, 8 INTs
    3rd year – 48.8 cmp % 3 TDs, 11 INTs
    Ryan Leaf total td and ints = 14 TDs and 36 INTs
    J Bust total td and ints = 18 TDs, 23 INTs.
    Nothing to brag about, but Ryan Leaf is the bigger bust statistically speaking.

  41. Thomas Paquette says: Apr 27, 2010 7:02 PM

    I really don’t think JaMarcus Russell is that bad of a quarterback. I think that the biggest issue with this kid is obviously that he is a lazy son of a gun. Also, I believe that he needs an offensive coach that is like Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer who will chew his ass out if he doesn’t perform the way that he is expected to and is lazy. The moment Carlos Dunlap was drafted by the Bengals, Mike Zimmer said that he was going to have a chat with him about not playing consistantly because he has too much talent to waste. I just believe that JaMarcus doesn’t have anyone that cares about him enough to chew his ass out and really get this kid too play up to his potential. Does anyone agree or disagree with me on this? Or can anyone provide insight on if I am completely missing something here?

  42. scott30va says: Apr 27, 2010 7:02 PM

    It’s a shame, all the talent in the world, but once he got paid he lost all motivation to succeed. Hopefully he wont blow the rest of his money, lord knows most people could live a lifeitme off of a fraction of what he has made.

  43. fukemi says: Apr 27, 2010 7:04 PM

    where’s tony dungy when you need him ……………..LOL

  44. jimicos says: Apr 27, 2010 7:04 PM

    I think Mandarich was bigger, but only by 5 or 10 pounds. 15 tops.

  45. 6ringSteelers says: Apr 27, 2010 7:04 PM

    What about Tim Couch? He should be right up there with Russell and Leaf.

  46. IndyColt45 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:05 PM

    Russell is a bigger bust not only because of his #1 pick tag, but because of all the great players selected right after him. AP, Megatron, Joe Thomas, Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch, and on and on.
    The Chargers didn’t miss out on too much, and their terribleness allowed them to pick up LT and Brees.

  47. Floyd the Barber says: Apr 27, 2010 7:06 PM

    And I honestly think Russell’s going to lose a minute of sleep over this either. His bank account is fat and so soon will be his expanding waistline.

  48. nps6724 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:07 PM

    So 1 spot makes a better player a bigger bust?
    Leaf – 25 games, 21 starts, 317 for 655, 48.4%, 3666 yards, 14 TDs, 36 INTs, 5.6 YPA, 65 sacks, 2.1 TD%, 5.5 INT%
    Russell – 31 games, 25 starts, 354 for 680, 52.1%, 4083 yards, 18 TDs, 23 INTs, 6.0 YPA, 70 sacks, 2.6 TD%, 3.4 INT%
    Russell was better in every facet except sacks. The difference between #1 overall and #2 overall isn’t the gap between Russell and Leaf. Leaf is BY FAR the bigger bust.
    Let’s look at each team as well. The Raiders haven’t won more than 5 games since 2002 (Russell arrived in 2007). The Raiders were bad for a good 4 seasons before Russell appeared. In fact, the Raiders have had 3 5-win seasons since 2002. 1 of them came with Russell at QB.
    The Chargers, OTOH, won 11, 8, 9, 11, 8, and 4 games in the seasons preceding Leaf. That’s 1 bad year pre-Leaf compared to 4 pre-Russell. And in 1999, when Leaf didn’t play at all, the Chargers went 8-8. In 2000, Leaf started. And they went 1-15. And in 2002, the Chargers got Drew Brees and turned it all around.
    I think it’s pretty obvious Leaf was the bigger bust. He went to a better team and a better-run organization and performed even worse than Russell. The fact that 36-year old Jim Harbaugh was able to get San Diego to .500 in between Leaf’s 2 seasons there supports that.

  49. ItalianArmyGuy says: Apr 27, 2010 7:07 PM

    Could there be a bigger bust than former #1 Michael Vick? Talk about blowing up a franchise. Funny to read what ESPN said about him in April, 2003:
    “Michael Vick
    Years: 01-present
    Games: 23
    Stats: 281-534, 3,721 yds., 18 TDs, 11 INTs
    Notes: Atlanta traded up to No. 1 to select Vick in the 2001 draft and he has been everything they could have hoped for. After playing sparingly in his rookie season, Vick emerged as a star last year, leading the Falcons to the playoffs.”
    Russell probably has a ways to go before he can really compete with Vick or Leaf. Why, Russell hasn’t even seen the inside of a federal penitentiary or a Texas state prison yet!

  50. zoinks says: Apr 27, 2010 7:07 PM

    C’mon, now. At least give credit where credit’s due.
    Jamarcus is definitely in the conversation, but at least he had a not-absolutely-horrible season once in his career. (13 TD, 8 INT, 77.0 passer rating in 2008).
    The highlight of Leaf’s career was 11 TD, 18 INT, and an abysmal 56.2 passer rating…..and that was his BEST season.

  51. lamajet says: Apr 27, 2010 7:07 PM

    How can there not be a rookie wage scale after this? Someone like Russell, who might have talent if not any football smarts, might have felt some need to at least try to be good.

  52. byzr says: Apr 27, 2010 7:08 PM

    Russel is a poster child for the first pick bust. Russel will be one the biggest reasons why people will push for a rookie cap.
    Russel has only played two years, for the most part, so I still say the jury is out. If he can go to a team that is going to have stable coaching staff for a couple of years he may still have a shot. He’s got all of the tools just needs someone to show him how to use em.
    All that said he’s still no Ryan Leaf. He hasn’t blown up in the locker rooms or alienated himself from the team.

  53. Stuff-it says: Apr 27, 2010 7:08 PM

    Now I heard the rumor that the Vikings are going to pick him up and let Brett slap him into shape! Next year he will be just wonderful…..

  54. daffy87 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:08 PM

    He is definitely the biggest draft bust ever. He overtakes Ryan Leaf for two reasons. Reason one is that he was #1 overall where Leaf was #2 overall. And I factor in the money, Russell wasted far more money than Leaf did. Jamarcus Russell……biggest draft bust of all time.

  55. Florio-is-a-tool says: Apr 27, 2010 7:09 PM

    If Jamarcus can only fit through those turnstiles that seem to be designed for anorexic supermodels then he’ll be in the ballpark.

  56. sim448 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:09 PM

    umm, skip, what the hell are you talking about? oakland took russell with the 1st pick. get a clue. i wonder who picks up russell…someone will.

  57. BlueMooner says: Apr 27, 2010 7:10 PM

    Clearly you dont know what a bust is Michael

  58. ftomeo says: Apr 27, 2010 7:10 PM

    Didn’t Leaf, in addition to his horrible performance on the field, also descend into shouting, screaming, pouting matches with his coaches, teammates, fans, reporters, passersby, and anyone else like a ten year old little boy… while getting drunk in his free time, etc…?
    Those be big shoes to fill.

  59. CdnMike says: Apr 27, 2010 7:10 PM

    The thing about it is, at least to my knowledge, Leaf gave effort and tried to be good. That’s why being the biggest bust ever bothers Leaf. You have to respect him for that. It’s not like he wanted to suck.
    On the other hand you have a fat, lazy piece of shit that couldn’t care less about being a decent QB.

  60. teke184 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:10 PM

    “Go to college on a scholarship, become a stud, get drafted #1, bank almost $36 million at job where you get fired.
    Then retire. All before what? 24, 25 years old? I missed that boat.”
    The problem with that equation is that, in Russell’s case, he’s blowing his money on stupid crap like diamond-encrusted Starting Lineup figures of himself.
    I think he’s going to be broke within 3 years of exiting the league.

  61. FireJerryJones says: Apr 27, 2010 7:11 PM

    When he gets caught robbing a convenience store cause he’s flat broke… then he’s in the Ryan Leaf discussion.
    Not yet

  62. JoeSchmoe says: Apr 27, 2010 7:12 PM

    Russell will catch on somewhere else… no wait, the Raiders is where he would have caught on. ummm…. see ya JaMoke!!!

  63. Vicente Bastardo says: Apr 27, 2010 7:13 PM

    This is a good debate, but I still think Leaf will be No. 1 That draft was Ryan Leaf vs. Peyton Manning. Manning went on to be a future HOFer. This was after many considered Leaf the better prospect. Russell’s competition was Brady Quinn.
    In all honesty, if these NFL scouts/GM’s couldn’t see either of these two guys being flops in the first round a lot of people should be fired.
    Don’t be surprised if Jimmy Clausen is a back up in 3 years either.

  64. Trojan4life5869 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:14 PM

    A total waste of time and money!! He performed just enough to get drafted bank a SHIT load of money and move back to nowhere in the south he came from. He’ll be broke and WORKING at Mickey D’s in 5 years. Too dumb to save his money for a rainy day.. good riddenz!

  65. fukemi says: Apr 27, 2010 7:15 PM

    when is tiny dungy going to step in……………………LOL

  66. thousandcasts says: Apr 27, 2010 7:15 PM

    Big deal…that’s only one monumental bust. Try for the trifecta of Harrington, Charles Rogers and Mike Williams.

  67. IndyColt45 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:16 PM

    (Browns fans, you know what Im talkin’ about!!? Savage really did want to take Russell but somehow, didn’t that day.

    Uh…Russell was the #1 pick. Somehow, I don’t think Savage had the chance to pick him…

  68. eb says: Apr 27, 2010 7:16 PM

    Leaf & Russell are still #2 & #3 in my book. They are huge bust – no question. However, Leaf wasn’t even the first QB drafted his year. Although Russell was the 1st guy taken it was a heavily (pun intended) debated 1st choice.
    The #1 bust EVER is Mandrich. He was billed as the best ever, of all time! Had Big Tony not been a high round draft pick he would have been cut in camp! And wasn’t Mandrich the first player Ditka offered his entire draft for in a trade?

  69. dunkingonuts says: Apr 27, 2010 7:16 PM

    Even if Jamarcus never plays another down Leaf will still be a bigger bust because on top of sucking he was a total Floriowhole..!

  70. Buck Stallion says: Apr 27, 2010 7:17 PM

    Fantavet is correct.
    Leaf had some serious douchebaggery going on.
    He sucked con mucho gusto! Too bad he didn’t play longer…that stuff was gold.
    Russell is more like a fat bulldog. He clearly does’t try to improve, but he’s not all that unlikeable. Well, at least for those of us who aren’t Raiders fans anyway.

  71. edgy1957 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:18 PM

    As bad as he was last year, he’s STILL not as bad as Leaf. Yeah, Leaf went #2 but SD traded up to get whoever the Colts DIDN’T pick AND if Parcells had held on to the pick in 1997, he would have had Manning and the Colts would have been picking Leaf or Leaf or Leaf or Leaf..

  72. the real deal says: Apr 27, 2010 7:19 PM

    He is by far the bigger bust! he was picked first overall, that makes him ahnds down the bigger bust!
    sadly it will all come down to the fact he is a black qb and everyone will cry racism if the true number one bust takes his deserved space as the biggest bust ever!
    So although he should be placed as the biggest bust ever, racism will stop that from happening. SAD

  73. Tombradysbaby says: Apr 27, 2010 7:24 PM

    His wonderlic score should have been the red flag that would have sent this bum to the 2nd or 3rd round. Why anyone is surprised by this idiots lack of ability to think beyond stuffing his face is a wonder…

  74. INVAIDUH says: Apr 27, 2010 7:24 PM

    i don’t care either way. i just want him gone.

  75. RDWARRIOR05 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:24 PM

    AS A DIE HARD SO CAL RAIDER FAN, I WOULD SAY J RUSS IS THE BIGGEST DRAFT BUST EVER! I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE HAD LEAF. ALTHOUGH IT WILL NEVER BE PROVEN, I THINK LEAF COULD HAVE BEEN GOOD IN THE RIGHT SYSTEM. RUSSELL ON THE OTHER HAND IS SO BAD, HE DOESN’T EVEN CARE ABOUT BEING GOOD. AT LEAST LEAF COULD HIT OPEN TARGETS. RUSSELL CAN’T EVEN DO THAT. THIS GUY SHOULD BE SUED. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT. HE DOESN’T EVEN GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING. I SAY BREECH OF CONTRACT.

  76. gopherb24 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:30 PM

    If we’re staying on the subject of first-round picks from the 00’s, Troy Williamson’s gotta be close.

  77. 8man says: Apr 27, 2010 7:33 PM

    Well big props to the Raid-duhs for realizing it and not clinging to some faint hope because they squandered a first round pick on him.
    Three of the other four guys at QB on the roster are better than him. Boller won’t make the roster but, hey, someone has to play in those meaningless exhibition…err…pre-season games.
    And since they don’t have a first round pick next year, they must believe that at least one of those three guys is good enough to make a difference for the next few years.

  78. Palaceofsin says: Apr 27, 2010 7:34 PM

    hmm, this story was better the first time I heard it this morning on Mike and Mike. I never knew all I had to do was start a basic website and post the basic plot line from a conversation on a morning talk show and toss my name at the bottom.. I could’ve been rich.

  79. Jhub12 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:36 PM

    I think Tony Mandrich is hands down the biggest bust ever, because he was picked before dieon and barry sanders.

  80. snnyjcbs says: Apr 27, 2010 7:41 PM

    When Russell was Drafted they asked him who in the NFL he would like to pattern his game after and he said P. Manning, what a joke. All this guy wanted was to take the money and run.
    Russell should have his own Draft Bust list with him filling slots 1 – 10. Ryan Leaf was a Pro Bowler next to this lazy bum. What a future he has, looking forward each year at Draft time being able to watch film of what a bust he was.
    Ryan Leaf should be sending Russell a few boxes of Kit Kats as a thank you.

  81. dannymac17 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:44 PM

    they were equally as bad, where leaf was worse in one area, russell was worse in another.
    funny how the chargers turned around from Leaf, then the raiders got Leaf 2.0 Jemercus

  82. dogma1 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:45 PM

    Leaf and Russell are 1A and 1B

  83. Raiders757 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:50 PM

    BaltimoreSports says: April 27, 2010 6:44 PM
    In the guys defense he was drafted by the Raiders
    ———————————————-
    It wouldn’t matter who he was drafted by, the work ethic just isn’t there, and there is no team in the NFL that can get it out of him. He got his money and it was over as far as he was concerned. He mailed it in over the past few years, so give me a break with this ignorant garbage about “it was the Raiders” bla bla bla. All this piling on has gotten old and immature. The Raiders aren’t even the worst team in football, nor are they the worst run. Get over yourselves.
    That being said, I never wanted Russell to be a Raider and knew he would suck. It’ll be a happay day is these rumors of him being released are true.

  84. ham1 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:53 PM

    Heath Shuler was nothing to aspire to as a quaterback either

  85. edgy1957 says: Apr 27, 2010 7:57 PM

    For those who missed it (and I’m sure it’s a lot of you):
    A little food for thought for the Raiders fans. http://boards.edgy-sports.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2583&start=0

  86. winslow says: Apr 27, 2010 7:59 PM

    Prior to declaring Russell an all-time bust, let’s see how he can do playing for a pro team. Would Matt Leinart have done better than Russell did in Oakland? Leinart has a great supporting cast, and his results are similar to what Russell produced. If he will sign cheaply, Russell is worth a look just on the basis that Oakland does not provide a good barometer of whether a player is competent. Watch Thomas Howard become a Pro Bowler after the Raiders get rid of him.

  87. John Harbaugh's Dad says: Apr 27, 2010 7:59 PM

    Biggest bust as in fattest maybe, but atleast he’s not in jail…yet.

  88. Dmacattack says: Apr 27, 2010 8:00 PM

    Sorry guys, but Russell is only considered a bigger bust because he was a #1 pick and paid more money because it was a decade later.(duh)
    Russell will probably never top Leaf because the Raiders picked Russell #1 where everyone was saying they need to, but the Chargers did this: To go from #3 to #2 the Dolts sent the Cards two first-round picks, a second-round pick, reserve linebacker Patrick Sapp and three-time Pro Bowler Eric Metcalf!!!

  89. KoolKell says: Apr 27, 2010 8:03 PM

    JaMarcus Russell’s wonderlic was 24
    Gradkowski’s wonderlic 16
    Dan Marino wonderlic 15
    Ok?

  90. KM91 says: Apr 27, 2010 8:10 PM

    Ryan Leaf was a jerk. Russell has enough bling to make Flava Flav Jealous and weighed in at almost 300 pounds, allegedly. Russell’s the bigger bust.

  91. Wiredawg says: Apr 27, 2010 8:13 PM

    “Latest news and Rumors”…..my ass! This story is going on 3 years old!

  92. KoolKell says: Apr 27, 2010 8:13 PM

    Wonderlic scores don’t make the QB
    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/wonderlic-scores-of-2010-nfl-starting-quarterbacks-and-339905.html

  93. deederbob says: Apr 27, 2010 8:15 PM

    A quarterback is available? Has Josh McDaniel offered a first round pick for him yet?

  94. chauncey says: Apr 27, 2010 8:16 PM

    Everyone knows Leaf is a bigger bust, he only won like 2 games atleast Jamrock has a few under his belt..and i aint talkin pounds. but to be fair when you compair stats and expectations Jamarcus is a solid top 3 bust ever next too harrington and leaf.

  95. 24Seven says: Apr 27, 2010 8:24 PM

    Statistically, Leaf and Russell are close but Leaf wins by a mile due to his numerous tantrums in front of cameras where he threw his team under the bus. One might argue that Oakland is so dysfunctional that Russell had no hope of succeeding but Leaf went to a decent team and had no excuses (and is a douche).

  96. jp says: Apr 27, 2010 8:49 PM

    What takes a bigger shit, a rhino or a hippo?
    At least there was life after Leaf for the Chargers, time will only tell about the Raiders.

  97. TheFoo says: Apr 27, 2010 8:54 PM

    Don’t you have to take into consideration the expectations? Did anyone really expect Russell to be a world beater? Everyone knew he had a huge arm and…well that was about it.

  98. steelerfan9598 says: Apr 27, 2010 9:13 PM

    Three words – ROOKIE WAGE SCALE. Hey, when you get 31 mill for nothing, you get fat and lazy.

  99. elways_jock says: Apr 27, 2010 9:17 PM

    i saw ryan leaf play in boulder against c.u. when he was at wash. state and he was truly gifted – then i saw him play as a rookie at mile high stadium and he overthrew a wide open streaking receiver on a go route by about 10 yards (not even close to the target) i saw the coaches throw up their hands and go nuts !! it was delightful ! when he came to the sidelines no one would even talk to him .. it kinda went downhill from there. but leaf was a head case – jawalrus is just an overachiever from jump street .. but he should land a job — hello buffalo ???

  100. lifelongphinfan says: Apr 27, 2010 9:26 PM

    ITALIAN ARMY GUY-i’ll bethe first to say i don’t like what mike vick did but for you or anyone else to say mike vick was the biggest but of all time is completly ignorant yes he screwed up but at one time mike vick was a nightmare to defenses all over the nfl.the subject here is the biggest football player bust not who screwed up the worst. mike vick was very good at one time a hell of alot better qb than leaf/russle/couch or any other bust you can think of in fact he was so good at one time that even after his horrible actions he still got another shot in the nfl how many bust’s can say that?

  101. steeelfann says: Apr 27, 2010 9:31 PM

    See, this goes to show you why there is absolutely no need for anything like a rookie salary cap.
    Yep, those agents are right. I think they should pay the next rookie class double of last year. No triple.
    Who is running the NFL, the US government?

  102. Shanahan's Rat Teeth says: Apr 27, 2010 9:31 PM

    winslow says:
    April 27, 2010 7:59 PM
    Prior to declaring Russell an all-time bust, let’s see how he can do playing for a pro team. Would Matt Leinart have done better than Russell did in Oakland? Leinart has a great supporting cast, and his results are similar to what Russell produced. If he will sign cheaply, Russell is worth a look just on the basis that Oakland does not provide a good barometer of whether a player is competent. Watch Thomas Howard become a Pro Bowler after the Raiders get rid of him
    Here’s some names for you: Stuart Schweigert (WAS), Andrew Walter (NE), Derrick Burgess (NE), Lamont Jordan (NE, DEN), DeAngelo Hall (WAS), Phillip Buchanon (HOU, TB, DET, WAS), Napoleon Harris (MIN, KC), Jerry Porter (JAX), Chris Carr (TEN, BAL)…
    All guys that were going to become Pro Bowlers, etc. after leaving Oakland.

  103. monet99 says: Apr 27, 2010 9:32 PM

    Jamarcus versus Ryan Leaf. what a contest

  104. dlmcc0909 says: Apr 27, 2010 9:35 PM

    the stats dont even matter. Russell is the biggest bust of all time. $36 million guaranteed and his biggest problem was his complete and total lack of effort and accountability for anything. I dont remember what Leaf’s work ethic looked like, but Russell was about as lazy an athlete as you could ever find. Combine that with the money and its not even close. the sick part is this guy held out because he thought he was worth more!! thats just lunacy

  105. HappyBunny says: Apr 27, 2010 9:38 PM

    When you factor in how much Russell has been paid per win, he absolutely is the biggest (including literal) bust in history…

  106. SheHateMe says: Apr 27, 2010 9:39 PM

    To se18a29:
    “I would rather be poor and considered a winner than be rich and known as a loser the rest of your life there JaMucus… what a punk.”
    What planet do you live on Bud? JaBigmac has just completed one of the most lucrative scams ever perpetrated against any organization! Only Bernie Madoff would come out ahead, but he had to give up his freedom…….
    Are you honestly telling me that you wouldn’t trade places with him (provided that each of you would keep your respective IQ’s, of course). You wouldn’t even have to give up white chicks, since there’s plenty of them ( good lookin’ ones, too) that don’t seem to have a problem with dating ‘brotha’s’, especially those with the big bucks……………Get real, my man…….

  107. Route36West says: Apr 27, 2010 9:43 PM

    Nah its leaf. Even if he ended up being a average qb his pesonality and the way he acted in public, private, and in the locker room would have made him a bust. Add in how terrible his numbers where and he is the biggest bust in the history of the league.
    Jamarcus Russell may be a extremely dilusional about how hes has performed in the NFL he will still probably get 2nd chance with another team. Leaf was so horrible and such a bad person no one wanted to touch him except for of course the Cowboys but that didnt even last a full season. You also gotta think about there off the field problems Russell has had none Leaf has had many. Put it this way if I had to choose between the two to be the starting qb of my team I would pick Russell with giving it a 2nd thought .

  108. AutumnWind999 says: Apr 27, 2010 9:43 PM

    Leaf’s numbers were substantially worse. The only reason anyone would give it to JaMarcus is because of him being picked No. 1, but is there really that big a difference between going No. 1 and No. 2?
    Not to mention the fact that Leaf will always be remembered as the guy who a lot of teams would’ve picked over Peyton Manning — who could go down as the greatest QB of all-time when it’s all said and done. That contrast will always haunt Leaf as much as his own performance and everything else. If Manning went on to be a bust or just another average, forgettable QB I doubt Leaf would be nearly as notorious or have his name dragged through the mud as often as it is.
    The other guy who might be even worse is Akili Smith. He went No. 3 and never won the starting job. Side note that made this pick even worse for the Bengals: the Saints offered their entire draft that year (to go up and get Ricky Williams) and several picks the following year. The Bengals refused because they didn’t want to miss out on Smith.

  109. winslow says: Apr 27, 2010 9:46 PM

    “Here’s some names for you: Stuart Schweigert (WAS), Andrew Walter (NE), Derrick Burgess (NE), Lamont Jordan (NE, DEN), DeAngelo Hall (WAS), Phillip Buchanon (HOU, TB, DET, WAS), Napoleon Harris (MIN, KC), Jerry Porter (JAX), Chris Carr (TEN, BAL)…
    All guys that were going to become Pro Bowlers, etc. after leaving Oakland.”
    More like etc.
    That is a motley crew.
    Morrison and Howard will have great post-Oakland careers, and Russell has a chance if he signs with a strong organization.
    Who told you that Andrew Walter was going to the Pro Bowl?
    Mama Walter?

  110. When Ben farts Debs lips move says: Apr 27, 2010 9:50 PM

    # KoolKell says: April 27, 2010 8:13 PM
    Wonderlic scores don’t make the QB
    ———————
    No, just the winners:
    “And the average score among the past seven Super Bowl winners is a 30.1. ”
    …from the very top of the article you linked yourself.

  111. Free_Ryan_Leaf says: Apr 27, 2010 9:53 PM

    They’re both equal in the douchbaggery category….but Russell is just a lazy piece of crap who just doesn’t give a damn.

  112. rraider says: Apr 27, 2010 9:57 PM

    Dumb topic. Russell was the the concenus top pick QBwise that year…………….it just happen that the Raiders were the one in dire need of a QB that year………..apart from Heyward Bey all of the Raider picks in round one were guys the so called experts said were great ballplayers……russell, mcfadden, gallery, huff,buchanon, gibson,………..all of these guys were suppose to be best at their postion coming out………the last 2 times before heyward -bey the Raiders reached for guys was Nnamidi and janowski……………………

  113. Mattiturd says: Apr 27, 2010 10:05 PM

    Not even close…this guy makes Leaf look good!

  114. tatum32 says: Apr 27, 2010 10:09 PM

    # BaltimoreSports says: April 27, 2010 6:44 PM
    “In the guys defense he was drafted by the Raiders”
    Yeah, they won super bowls before the Ravens were in existence. How many Hall of Fame players do you guys have again?
    0, but at least you have a murderer as an MLB. You have that going for you.

  115. Titans*Smoke*Pole says: Apr 27, 2010 10:35 PM

    I have been saying this since his first game in the NFL. I love saying “I told you so” to all my friends who believed he would become respectable.
    I HATE YOU JAMARCUS RUSSELL!!!!
    May you die a slow, flabby death in a museum showcase where little kids turn to their mothers and ask “What’s that, Mommy?”
    “That’s the biggest draft bust of all time, honey.”

  116. BrownsClown says: Apr 27, 2010 10:44 PM

    This was Phil Savage’s dream–
    Jamarcus Russell throwing to Braylon Edwards.
    Fat ass throwing to hands of stone.
    Now that is the vision of one great GM!

  117. Richm2256 says: Apr 27, 2010 10:51 PM

    Deb says:
    Russell has been a bust so far, but unlike Leaf, his career isn’t over. And you’ve got to look at his history …
    Russell skipped his last year of college eligibility, and missed his first training camp and preseason in a contract dispute. Then he was in the hands of … Little Laney Kiffin. So he didn’t get much development before he was thrown in as a starter. He spent a year and a half in the Davis/Kiffin Wars before getting a new coach. And Cable hasn’t exactly been drama-free. The guy is out of shape, under-coached, and over-blinged. But he still has potential, and if he goes to a team that will give him some guidance and require him to shape up, he could turn into a serviceable QB. That’s small comfort to the Raiders, but he’d still be better than Leaf.
    ————————————————
    Deb, please, SHUT THE F–K UP.
    The only thing JaMarcus Russel ever raped was some little kid’s Happy Meal.
    As big a turd as Russell is, no one has ever accused him of sexual assault.
    Twice.

  118. boltfanfromwv says: Apr 27, 2010 10:51 PM

    @ Raider B
    Leaf pocketed less than $15 million. Russell over $35 million. What do you think now?

  119. edgy1957 says: Apr 27, 2010 10:58 PM

    Jeff W says:
    Throw in the guaranteed money which I believe was $39M for Russell and only $11M for Leaf
    ****************************
    Jeez, why do you guys play this game. Hell, there were guys who’s personal wealth never approached what Bill Gates has NOW but was worth far more back then.
    When Leaf got his money, the NFL wasn’t suckling from a $3 billion TV teat like they are now. He was making a lot of money back then and the NFL was just starting a new TV contract that averaged $2.2 bil but wasn’t giving out that much when it went into effect in 1998.

  120. Profanity in ALL CAPS says: Apr 27, 2010 11:03 PM

    the jets are interested

  121. Playoffs?! says: Apr 27, 2010 11:10 PM

    Trips Right, 68 Slant is the most delusional Raider fan ever.
    As for the topic, if Russell gets cut, he WILL undoubtedly be the biggest draft bust ever. He has no work ethic and doesn’t have what it takes to be QB in this league. All that money gone to waste.

  122. AcidSoda says: Apr 27, 2010 11:11 PM

    “even though, if reports that he weighs 300 pounds are true, he has a bigger bust than Leaf”
    Fat jokes getting a bit redundant. And the Russell playing in the offensive line? Wow haven’t heard that one yet.

  123. Coach Stram says: Apr 27, 2010 11:27 PM

    I knew this was coming to a close when the pic of him surfaced wearing a necklace claiming ” The Chosen One”
    After his posse drains him of his cash, we’ll see him again – at Chilis.

  124. desperate9erfan says: Apr 27, 2010 11:45 PM

    Alex Smith was worse than jamarcus in his first three years. Took him 40 starts to have a 300 yard game. Only difference is smith works hard, is smart, likeable, and can keep his wait under 300 pounds. He just unfortunately sucks, especially those first three years.

  125. rkell21 says: Apr 27, 2010 11:55 PM

    Where would he have been drafted if the Raiders didn’t take him number 1?
    I’m thinking that they’re the only ones who thought so highly of him, and he wouldn’t be as big of a bust if a normal team would have drafted him.
    With that logic, he couldn’t be the biggest bust, since way more people thought Ryan Leaf would be good.
    I think Expectations + Failure = Bust.

  126. VrttSllvn says: Apr 28, 2010 12:01 AM

    The title forever belongs to Leaf.

  127. kbaby604 says: Apr 28, 2010 12:10 AM

    First of all how much did Leaf get and how much did JaMarcus get for doing nothing.
    JaMarcus is the BIGGEST bust in more ways than one.
    Seriously you still have idiots that actually JaMarcus can still make it big … look at the posts above.
    Hello idiots … Al Davis OVER pays his players and JaMarcus still held out … what does that tell you.

  128. AlDavisIsGod says: Apr 28, 2010 12:16 AM

    JaFatass is close but he’s no where near the biggest bust of all time. Why is he worse than Cryin’ Ryan Leaf? Why is he worse than Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Tony Mandarich, David Carr, Heath Shuler, David Klingler, Blair Thomas or Todd Blackledge? Blackledge wasn’t taken first overall but he was taken before Jim Kelly and Dan Marino, two Hall of Fame QB’s. Blair Thomas was drafted second overall by the Jets the same year the Cowboys took Emmitt Smith 19th overall. So why is everyone coming down on JaCookiemonster? Easy, because he was drafted by the Raiders and all these jealous wannabes who’ve waited so long to run down the Raiders now have their chance. Save your breath, haters. The Raiders will once again rise to the top of the NFL and leave all you idiots in their dust.

  129. v12themonster says: Apr 28, 2010 12:23 AM

    I sure hope it is Russell, cause I think Gholston may top it soon. Hey Leaf wasnt even as bad as Russel is.

  130. Deb says: Apr 28, 2010 12:33 AM

    Richm2256 says:
    April 27, 2010 10:51 PM
    Deb says:
    Russell has been a bust so far, but unlike Leaf, his career isn’t over. And you’ve got to look at his history …
    Russell skipped his last year of college eligibility, and missed his first training camp and preseason in a contract dispute. Then he was in the hands of … Little Laney Kiffin. So he didn’t get much development before he was thrown in as a starter. He spent a year and a half in the Davis/Kiffin Wars before getting a new coach. And Cable hasn’t exactly been drama-free. The guy is out of shape, under-coached, and over-blinged. But he still has potential, and if he goes to a team that will give him some guidance and require him to shape up, he could turn into a serviceable QB. That’s small comfort to the Raiders, but he’d still be better than Leaf.
    ————————————————
    Deb, please, SHUT THE F–K UP.
    The only thing JaMarcus Russel ever raped was some little kid’s Happy Meal.
    As big a turd as Russell is, no one has ever accused him of sexual assault.
    Twice.
    ——————————————-
    Who do you think you are, you PATHETIC excuse for a man? Are you so obsessed with your hatred for the Pittsburgh Steelers that you can’t post a civilized comment on any topic–or allow anyone else to post on any topic–without making an abusive, juvenile comment like this?
    Why is a New England Patriots fan wallowing in this story to this degree? You write paragraphs BEGGING everyone to stop picking on your poor Patriots about their Spygate issues because it’s soooo painful for you. But you post hysterical, unprovoked rants like this on at other commenters on completely unrelated posts at every opportunity? What exactly did the Pittsburgh Steelers do to you? Other than win three more Super Bowls?
    You sad, sad little boy. LOL

  131. AcidSoda says: Apr 28, 2010 12:44 AM

    “I’m thinking that they’re the only ones who thought so highly of him, and he wouldn’t be as big of a bust if a normal team would have drafted him.”
    sounds as if you don’t follow the NFL too much
    the browns were getting ready to draft him, and almost every team had him in the top 10.
    Moron.

  132. 8inthebox says: Apr 28, 2010 1:17 AM

    its so sad to think we could have had calvin johnson

  133. botchedextrapoint says: Apr 28, 2010 1:40 AM

    Leaf is still in a league of his own. Who could forget his 1-5 passing for 4 yards and 5 turnover effort

  134. psj3809 says: Apr 28, 2010 2:01 AM

    Leaf was dire from day 1. Russell in 2008 showed a lot of promise in those final 6 games. 13 td’s and 8 ints on a poor Raiders side, 11a, 10c against Denver and another high percentage game in a close loss to Miami.
    12 months ago no one thought he was bad. Now 12 months later hes the worst draft pick ever ? Come on.
    Hes only got himself to blame, the promise he showed in 2008 disappeared in 2009 as Russell was lazy and came up with excuse after excuse.
    IF he can get away from his 30+ mill dollars and concentrate on football he showed (late 2008) that he has talent.
    But last year he was dire but the frustrating thing is Russell showed previous to 2009 that he had talent. Shame

  135. emc2 says: Apr 28, 2010 2:07 AM

    Has more talent than any QB alive and should do well with a good coach he respects. Some guys do not enter the league until 25 so the jury is still out. Looks like he realized early that they cannot protect him and have ZERO #1 or maybe even #2WR’s. His 24 wonderlic (higher than Tebow-Marino-Gradkowski) may lead one to believe he is playing everyone for a fool and will re-start his career in AFC West with Todd Haley and kick the Raiders ass for years. See John Elway article in Sporting News his rookie year that says JR must leave Oakland or be ruined. Kid is outsmarting all of them!

  136. aj says: Apr 28, 2010 3:13 AM

    He’s a great quarterback. Get over it!

  137. Titans*Smoke*Pole says: Apr 28, 2010 3:37 AM

    Yeah, Leaf sucked, but he was a 2nd overall pick!
    Also, Jafatass has fumbled more often and lost more fumbles than Ryan Leaf.
    Moreover, Jaflabass can’t get his weight under control!
    MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm…. just imagine how much take-out he can get for 31.5 Million Dollars. MM mm good!
    Jagutcrap also likes B.K. and Wing Street I know that much!

  138. Trips Right, 68 Slant, D Slant says: Apr 28, 2010 4:01 AM

    Playoffs?!
    “Trips Right, 68 Slant is the most delusional Raider fan ever. ”
    Yeah…… Just like you MARKS were delusional with your mock drafts; having us select Bruce Campbell in the first round. How’s the fourth round sound, Nostradamus?
    Yeah…… and I did say “HOST THE PLAYOFFS.”
    ‘Nation!!!

  139. CJV123 says: Apr 28, 2010 5:32 AM

    Pure racism- Leaf was worse in every way, on the field and off the field (where he just pleaded guilty to 8 felonies)

  140. black hole says: Apr 28, 2010 8:22 AM

    I agree, when you get paid $40 million dollars and suck that bad, you are the biggest bust ever. I don’t care what a rager or retard Leaf was, throwing away this amount of money is out of this world.

  141. runtheball says: Apr 28, 2010 11:24 AM

    Russell sucks, but look at his career stats compared to another QB that so far has played 1 more year than him. QB X is considered by some to be up and coming and a future HOFer. Is there really that big of a difference between QB X and Russell. Guess who QB X is?
    QB CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA
    LNG TD INT SACK RAT
    QB X 596 1034 6843 57.6 6.62 73 32 39 62 72.3
    Russell 354 680 4083 52.1 6 86 18 23 70 65.2

  142. edgy1957 says: Apr 28, 2010 12:12 PM

    runtheball says:
    QB X is considered by some to be up and coming and a future HOFer
    ****************************
    Really? I don’t think that anyone but Vince has ever thought of him in that context.

  143. jimicos says: Apr 28, 2010 12:23 PM

    runtheball says:
    April 28, 2010 11:24 AM
    Russell sucks, but look at his career stats compared to another QB that so far has played 1 more year than him. QB X is considered by some to be up and coming and a future HOFer. Is there really that big of a difference between QB X and Russell. Guess who QB X is?
    QB CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA
    LNG TD INT SACK RAT
    QB X 596 1034 6843 57.6 6.62 73 32 39 62 72.3
    Russell 354 680 4083 52.1 6 86 18 23 70 65.2
    ——————————
    Perhaps you should take some advice from your username and runtheball.
    No one in their right mind is calling Vince Young an “up and coming” QB or a “future hall of famer”. NO ONE. Vince Young is listed as the 33rd QB in terms of passer rating of active NFL QBs.. That’s 33rd of 38.
    And actually, there’s a big difference between a 57.6% completion rate and a 52.1% completion rate. Five percent is huge.
    Lay off the jimson weed.

  144. runtheball says: Apr 28, 2010 12:41 PM

    He thinks he is an HOFer, many so-called football analyst say he is an up and comer. The post on this blog people talk about how great he is. The 5% difference is the Raiders vertical passing game. The reality is that Young is a joke of a QB and for whatever reason everyone is afraid to say so, with the exception of Merrill Hoge. Put him on the Raiders and Russell on the Titans and I give the edge to Russell.

  145. Dasmol says: Apr 28, 2010 1:03 PM

    Any honest Charger fan will tell you that Leaf is still the biggest draft bust in history.
    It all worked out though. His dismal performance as an NFL quaterback helped the team acquire one of the greatest RB’s of all time.

  146. edgy1957 says: Apr 28, 2010 1:04 PM

    jimicos says:
    And actually, there’s a big difference between a 57.6% completion rate and a 52.1% completion rate. Five percent is huge
    **************************
    There’s also a big difference between throwing to DHB and Murphy. If you take away their stats, it raised Russell’s % from 48.8 to 59.8 and it raised Gradkowski’s from 54.7 to 65.3. Not so bad for Frye, who didn’t have to throw to DHB and Murphy was finally getting it by the time that he took over for the last couple of games. His percentage went from 60.4 to 64.3.

  147. runtheball says: Apr 28, 2010 2:06 PM

    Mandarich shouldn’t even be in the top 10 of worst picks ever. He never lived up to the hype or the #2 slot, but he actually played and had a decent career. He wasn’t the best OL ever, but despite the injuries and substance abuse issues he was an effective starter especially the second comeback with the colts.

  148. jimicos says: Apr 28, 2010 3:28 PM

    edgy1957 says:
    April 28, 2010 1:04 PM
    There’s also a big difference between throwing to DHB and Murphy. If you take away their stats, it raised Russell’s % from 48.8 to 59.8 and it raised Gradkowski’s from 54.7 to 65.3. Not so bad for Frye, who didn’t have to throw to DHB and Murphy was finally getting it by the time that he took over for the last couple of games. His percentage went from 60.4 to 64.3.
    ————————-
    …Because Nate Washington and Justin Gage are head and shoulders better than DHB and Murphy?
    You’re going to use targets and completions in an attempt to standardize Russell’s completion percentage? If you do that, you’d better damn well:
    1. Realize that a higher completion percentage should be expected whenever WRs are taken out of the equation. By very nature they’re smaller, faster, more distant (and generally better covered) targets than TEs and RBs.
    2. Do the same math on Young’s numbers. You can’t expect to massage one player’s numbers to make them look better while leaving the other player twisting in the wind.
    Also, the fact that Gradkowski’s completion percentage was a full 6% better than Russell’s kind of proves the point. Gradkowski, as a 4 year veteran, is already a journeyman QB.. He’s the type of guy you toss in on a trade. And he outperformed the #1 pick from three years ago.

  149. Dogsweat says: Apr 28, 2010 3:35 PM

    Raiders have qb draft bust tendancies,
    Marc Wilson
    Todd Marajuana-vioch
    Rusty Hilgar
    lol

  150. jimicos says: Apr 28, 2010 3:37 PM

    runtheball says:
    April 28, 2010 12:41 PM
    He thinks he is an HOFer, many so-called football analyst say he is an up and comer. The post on this blog people talk about how great he is. The 5% difference is the Raiders vertical passing game. The reality is that Young is a joke of a QB and for whatever reason everyone is afraid to say so, with the exception of Merrill Hoge. Put him on the Raiders and Russell on the Titans and I give the edge to Russell.
    ————————-
    Young thinks he’s a hall of famer, so that means your statement is accurate? Please quote us one “football analyst” who says Vince Young is an up and comer.
    I’ll agree that Young is a joke of a passer, but I’d take him every day over JaMarcus frickin Russell. There’s no doubt Russell was set up for failure, going to that dysfunctional franchise. But he’s not worth more than a used stapler. He’s terrible, and the lack of interest for his services will be an indication of that. You’re not going to see his career take off like Moss’ did when he left the black hole.

  151. jimicos says: Apr 28, 2010 3:44 PM

    runtheball says:
    April 28, 2010 2:06 PM
    Mandarich shouldn’t even be in the top 10 of worst picks ever. He never lived up to the hype or the #2 slot, but he actually played and had a decent career. He wasn’t the best OL ever, but despite the injuries and substance abuse issues he was an effective starter especially the second comeback with the colts.
    ————————-
    This I agree with. If you determine bust status based on media hype and lofty expectations, Mandarich was a colossal bust. If you determine it based on what the player actually did in his career and how long he stuck around, Mandarich is far from the top 10 busts ever. By that standard, Dimitrius Underwood has to be in the top 5. First round pick and he never started a game. Only appeared in 19 games, got 15 tackles and never played a game in the purple.

  152. eklypse69 says: Apr 28, 2010 4:31 PM

    “For the most part Leaf’s numbers with the San Diego Chargers were even worse than that, which might lead some to conclude that Russell can’t be a bigger bust than Leaf (even though, if reports that he weighs 300 pounds are true, he has a bigger bust than Leaf).”
    Ok, even as a Raiders fan I have to admit, THAT WAS FUNNY!!!!

  153. edgy1957 says: Apr 28, 2010 5:31 PM

    jimicos says:
    …Because Nate Washington and Justin Gage are head and shoulders better than DHB and Murphy?
    ***********************
    I’d say “You’re, kidding, right?” but I know that you’re serious and that’s SAD.
    Michael Crabtree went to Frisco with NO training camp and still managed to catch 56% of the passes thrown his way. In fact, during 4 two game stretches, he caught more passes than DHB did for the entire season. There’s no way in hell that you can equate how badly those two rookies did to anyone else. DHB’s comp % was 22.5% while Murphy’s was 35.4%. How did the other top drafted rookies do? Harvin, 67%, Maclin, 61%, Nicks, 64%, Britt, 56%, Robiskie, 35%, and Massoquoi, 36%. That’s only the first 2 rounds. You start going down into the third and fourth round and you find that many of the guys that were picked around Murphy, outperformed him by a wide margin as well.
    As for “massaging” the numbers, I didn’t. You must be under some mistaken impression that I’m dissing Young but I’m NOT. What I’m doing is talking about how crappy those two WRs were and how they affected all the QBs but apparently, your hatred of Russell won’t allow you to see past that bias. I was talking about ONE YEAR and not their entire career but if you want to play the game: last year it was Washington, 49% and Gage, 42%. I really don’t believe that either did as much harm to Vince’s percentages as DHB and Murphy did. A quick check shows that Collins sans those two saw his percentage go from 55.1 to 58.1 while Young saw his go from 58.7 to 60.4. Collins actually benefits even more than Young but neither benefits as much as the Raiders QBs.

  154. Deb says: Apr 28, 2010 5:47 PM

    @Trips Right, 68 Slant, D Slant ….
    Just spotted your link to the McClain interview. Thanks!! He’s a hard worker and SMART. At Bama, he was known as a mini-Saban for his defensive intelligence. A prize. Knew he’d never be around when Pittsburgh picked, but was dreaming on until the Raiders stepped up.
    Get your QB situation worked out, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Raiduhs back in the post-season. Better Oakland than the Pats and Colts. At least you guys still play smash-mouth.

  155. TheOne says: Apr 28, 2010 6:14 PM

    Yeah this is going to be a toss up, but I bet Leaf will still be number 1, because his number are worse, and has done prison time and what now. Russell yes went 1st over all, but we know that Raider just dont know how to make good draft picks.

  156. Bious says: Apr 28, 2010 8:03 PM

    Leaf was hated by everyone
    Leaf’s stats are MUCH WORSE
    Leaf blew up at the media
    Russell has none of those
    Leaf wins easily

  157. gogobox says: Apr 28, 2010 9:41 PM

    Come on Duchebags……
    Russle is in the wrong system period….
    Just like when Randy Moss was a Raider…pure zzz
    Wake up Raider Nation…you suck the life outta Ball players…

  158. edgy1957 says: Apr 28, 2010 9:48 PM

    What’s the matter, jimicos, stat got your tongue? :)

  159. GrimDog says: Apr 28, 2010 10:39 PM

    As the Part-time Guru said “No matter if JaHamburger never sets foot on a field again he won’t be as big of a bust as Ryan Leaf. Leaf stands alone atop the pantheon of sports busts because he not only sucked he was also the consummate poison for the Chargers. I’ve never seen another quarterback not get high-fived by his teammates after a TD pass. Leaf fought with everyone: teammates, fans (literally had to be restrained), management (screaming matches). He turned off everyone and the cost the team fans. No one has ever damaged their franchise as much.”

  160. Playoffs?! says: Apr 28, 2010 11:45 PM

    @ Trips Right, 68 Slant
    You include me with those who had mock drafts…I SURE AS HELL DID NOT! Tell that to the ESPN ‘experts’…lol Even you gotta admit that ‘hosting’ the playoffs is HUGE stretch. Don’t get carried away because you guys actually had somewhat of a decent draft this year…

  161. botchedextrapoint says: Apr 29, 2010 8:10 AM

    For all the people comparing stats it is those “who the hell was that thrown to?’ passes that make JaMarcus a bust

  162. jimicos says: Apr 29, 2010 10:15 AM

    edgy1957 says:
    April 28, 2010 9:48 PM
    What’s the matter, jimicos, stat got your tongue? :)
    ————————-
    No, idiot. I usually don’t login from home. I have a family and other responsibilities. But nice job thinking you’re that important.

  163. jimicos says: Apr 29, 2010 10:40 AM

    edgy1957 says:
    April 28, 2010 5:31 PM
    I’d say “You’re, kidding, right?” but I know that you’re serious and that’s SAD.
    Michael Crabtree went to Frisco with NO training camp and still managed to catch 56% of the passes thrown his way. In fact, during 4 two game stretches, he caught more passes than DHB did for the entire season. There’s no way in hell that you can equate how badly those two rookies did to anyone else. DHB’s comp % was 22.5% while Murphy’s was 35.4%. How did the other top drafted rookies do? Harvin, 67%, Maclin, 61%, Nicks, 64%, Britt, 56%, Robiskie, 35%, and Massoquoi, 36%. That’s only the first 2 rounds. You start going down into the third and fourth round and you find that many of the guys that were picked around Murphy, outperformed him by a wide margin as well.
    As for “massaging” the numbers, I didn’t. You must be under some mistaken impression that I’m dissing Young but I’m NOT. What I’m doing is talking about how crappy those two WRs were and how they affected all the QBs but apparently, your hatred of Russell won’t allow you to see past that bias. I was talking about ONE YEAR and not their entire career but if you want to play the game: last year it was Washington, 49% and Gage, 42%. I really don’t believe that either did as much harm to Vince’s percentages as DHB and Murphy did. A quick check shows that Collins sans those two saw his percentage go from 55.1 to 58.1 while Young saw his go from 58.7 to 60.4. Collins actually benefits even more than Young but neither benefits as much as the Raiders QBs.
    ————————-
    My point was that Nate Washington and Justin Gage are NOT that much better than DH-B and Murphy.
    I can’t attest to the passes Russell throws because, frankly, the Raiders are unworthy of television outside of a 50 mile radius. But I don’t think there’s any coincidence that the receiving stats from the Raiders’ top three wide receivers went up when Gradkowski went in and Russell sat down.
    Receiving stats of DH-B, Murphy and Schillens in Russell’s 9 starts: 26 catches, 384 yards, 14.8 yards per catch, 2.9 catches per game.
    Receiving stats of DH-B, Murphy and Schillens in Gradkowski’s 4 starts: 20 catches, 353 yards, 17.7 yards per catch, 5 catches per game.
    Make no mistake, I don’t mean to say that DH-B and Murphy are competent NFL wide receivers. I don’t think they are. But I also don’t hold the laughable belief that Russell is going to thrive, even as a backup, anywhere else. This is not a case of the receivers making the QB look bad. This is a case of the receivers and the QB being bad. In Russell’s case, very bad.
    And I’m not on the Vince Young bandwagon either. I think he’s pretty terrible. He’s at least shown the desire to improve. And his legs bring a different threat to the field-something Mayor McCheese can’t.

  164. The Real Shuxion says: Apr 29, 2010 12:16 PM

    ItalianArmyGuy says: April 27, 2010 7:07 PM
    Could there be a bigger bust than former #1 Michael Vick? Talk about blowing up a franchise. Funny to read what ESPN said about him in April, 2003:
    ——————————————————
    Vick took them to an NFC Championship game…….geez you steeler fans get dumber by the day.

  165. edgy1957 says: Apr 29, 2010 3:17 PM

    jimicos says:
    My point was that Nate Washington and Justin Gage are NOT that much better than DH-B and Murphy
    **************************
    Seriously, you’re trying to make that argument? Trust me, DHB is and WAS the worst WR in the entire league. His numbers look as good as they do becauise he had 2 “good” games – a 2 rec game with Russell and a 2 rec game with Gradkowski. He was 2-10 before his final game with Gradkowski so it’s not like Bruce was doing any better with him. DHB just plain STUNK and the same could be said of Murphy for most of the year. His best work came after Gradkowski went down so are you saying that Frye should be starting instead?
    BTW, you are so far off on this that’s it’s hilarious. Schilens DID NOT take part in Russell’s 9 starts – he only took part in Russell’s last start and then Russell went to him during the rest of the year when he was put in as an injury replacement for Gradkowski and Frye. If you want to be correct (and I know that you don’t) those 3 only caught 12 passes when Gradkowski was a starter or 3 per game and with DHB out of the picture, Russell’s comp % went up to 58.5% for the rest of the season. Again, this is NOT about one QB but 2 WRs. They both brought down the team but at least Murphy improved by the end of the year. I actually believe that he will be one of their better receivers this year and that if they can stay heatlhy AND keep DHB off the field, they’ll see a big improvement.
    People don’t take into account the Raiders receiving situation to understand how sad it has been for the past two years. Jerry Porter wasn’t a great receiver but he was a HOFer (43% comp %) compared to DHB. It Davis would have fallen asleep and they had drafted Crabtree instead of DHB, it would have been a much better year for everyone last year and in the future but that didn’t happen and if he doesn’t make progress and Davis pushes to keep him on the field everyone will suffer.
    Just like you believe that I’m dissking Young, you also seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is all about Russell when in fact, it’s about the rookies that all the QBs had to put up with. NO ROOKIE WR in this year’s class peformed as badly as both of them did when compared to the round they were drafted. Davis has been trying to recreate the ’60s and that just isn’t going to happen.

  166. 1NationRaiderNation says: Apr 29, 2010 8:05 PM

    J-Russ will be the #1 reason why there will be no NFL in 2011, along with the 5 billion guaranteed reasons the owners have.
    Rookie salary cap is a must

  167. jimicos says: Apr 30, 2010 11:11 AM

    “those 3 only caught 12 passes when Gradkowski was a starter or 3 per game”
    ————————
    Gradkowski started 4 games, 11/22 through 12/13. Here are their stats for those four games:
    11/22:
    Schillens – 2 for 41
    Murphy – 1 for 29
    DH-B – 1 for 7
    11/29:
    Schillens – 2 for 32
    Murphy – 2 for 22
    DH-B – 2 for 21
    12/6:
    Schillens – 3 for 45
    Murphy – 4 for 128
    DH-B – 0 for 0
    12/13:
    Schillens – 2 for 20
    Murphy – 1 for 8
    DH-B – 0 for 0
    That’s 20 receptions, for the mathematically-challenged. And it’s 353 yards. Surprise, surprise, surprise. That’s what I said yesterday. If you want to prove their numbers were any different, please provide your source. I got my numbers from pro-football-reference.com. If you’re going to accept my numbers, feel free to backtrack on your idiotic 12 passes statement. 20 is not 12.
    And for what it’s worth, I don’t believe DH-B or Murphy are worth anything. They suck out loud. Schillens has shown flashes but if he continues to have Russell bouncing passes to him, like Vick to Roddy White, his career will never take off.
    This says a lot, too.
    Russell – 9 starts, 3 TDs, 11 INTs, 50.0 passer rating
    Gradkowski – 4 starts, 6 TDs, 3 INTs, 80.6 passer rating

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  169. HamBurghlar says: Apr 30, 2010 12:07 PM

    Lol… COULD go down? You mean, WILL go down.
    Where’s the douche that ends his posts with
    “‘Nation!”

  170. edgy1957 says: Apr 30, 2010 12:25 PM

    1NationRaiderNation says:
    Gradkowski started 4 games, 11/22 through
    12/13. Here are their stats for those four games:
    **********************
    Mea Culpa, I was one game off on Gradkowski but it’s still only one game for Schilens and Russell. Russell was really comfortable with Schilens by the end of 2008 when he was 7 of 11 for 102 and 2 tD in the last 3 games (and it’s no coincidence that his top target, once he got into the lineup, was Schilens at 10 of 13). Schilens, like Murphy, sucked at the beginning (8 of 21) but came on at the end of his – wait for it – rookie season.
    This says even more:
    Russell – 9 starts – 9 DHB
    RG & CF – 7 starts – 2 DHB
    All the Raiders QBs took hits from the rookies (Frye, the least). Besides Russell, the Raidrs BIGGEST problem was havng TWO rookie WRs in the lineup. Let’s not forget 2008 when they had a hard time keeping any WR in the line up and their two “best” WRs at the end of the year were a rookie and a second year guy.

  171. edgy1957 says: Apr 30, 2010 12:35 PM

    1NationRaiderNation says:
    Gradkowski started 4 games, 11/22 through
    12/13. Here are their stats for those four games:
    **********************
    BTW, I amend my mea culpa. The 20 catches were for all QBs. Broken down, it’s 18 with BG and 2 with JR.

  172. jimicos says: Apr 30, 2010 12:55 PM

    edgy1957 says:
    April 30, 2010 12:35 PM
    BTW, I amend my mea culpa. The 20 catches were for all QBs. Broken down, it’s 18 with BG and 2 with JR.
    ————————–
    Sure, but the 26 catches stemming from Russell’s 9 starts also included some passes thrown by Gradkowski. I did not bother to track down the leftovers. So Russell’s 26 was probably inflated by a few Gradkowski passes and if you’re correct Gradkowski’s 20 was inflated by 2 Frye passes.
    OK, I just checked.. Yes, Russell’s numbers were inflated by 2 Gradkowski passes. So the real numbers are this:
    Russell – 9 starts, 24 complete passes to those 3 WRs
    Gradkowski – 4 starts (plus one quarter), 20 complete passes to those 3 WRs
    That makes it look even worse.
    We’re still talking about a third year guy who was the #1 overall pick. And we’re comparing him to a journeyman QB drafted in the 6th round. And the comparison is not kind to the #1 overall. He’s certainly in the discussion of biggest busts ever.
    Now like Mandarich, maybe he’ll redeem himself and become serviceable for some team in the future. I don’t see it, but it could happen.

  173. jimicos says: Apr 30, 2010 12:56 PM

    BTW, kudos to admitting you were wrong on the stats. Most of the d-bags on this site would refuse to accept it and instead throw insults.

  174. edgy1957 says: Apr 30, 2010 1:54 PM

    jimicos says:
    Sure, but the 26 catches stemming from Russell’s 9 starts also included some passes thrown by Gradkowski. I did not bother to track down the leftovers. So Russell’s 26 was probably inflated by a few Gradkowski passes and if you’re correct Gradkowski’s 20 was inflated by 2 Frye passes
    ***********************
    JR – 18 catches – BG – 7. Schilens didn’t come back until his last start and he was 3 of 4 with him going 2 of 3 with JR. Until then it was 8 wretched starts with DHB and LM. But then again, why CS made it into the convrsation is beyond me. The whole point is how the rookies screwed everyone. In fact, adding in CS, actually proves the point because everyone saw a benefit to him being in the lineup.
    It’s an absurdity for you or anyone else to throw CS into this conversatin because you KNOW that he was only there for the last 8 games so his stats skew toward the others, just as DHB’s absence actually helped BG and CF for the last 4 games. Hell, in the game that doesn’t count by your standards, BG threw 2 interceptions and one of them was headed for DHB.
    But, again, this isn’t about JR or BG or CF but two worst rookies WR last year. LM has redeeming qualities and like CS, he should be an asset this year but DHB needs to improve a lot to be considered anything less than the crappiest WR taken in the past 10 years and I’m considering all rounds.

  175. jimicos says: Apr 30, 2010 2:15 PM

    There’s clearly lots of variables, but you’re trying to make this turd look decent when the numbers simply don’t support it. His career passer rating (which is much higher than his abyssmal 2009 rating) is still 10 points lower than David Carr’s career passer rating. And Tim Couch’s. Kyle Orton looks like Joe Montana next to this colossal waste of blubber.
    The man has 31 NFL starts and only 18 passing TDs to his name. Terrible. I guarantee you the Raiders could plug in an average QB, make no other changes to the system or personnel and they’d get more than 18 TDs in one season.
    JaMarcus Russell is a burning bag of poop on your doorstep and you’re complaining about the type of lighter than was used to set the thing on fire. He’s not the only problem in Oakland. We can agree on that. But he’s the single biggest problem.. Other than crazy Al.

  176. edgy1957 says: Apr 30, 2010 2:26 PM

    jimicos says:
    We’re still talking about a third year guy who was the #1 overall pick. And we’re comparing him to a journeyman QB drafted in the 6th round
    ***************************\
    I guess that Drew Bledsoe was a piece of sh*t because he lost his job to a 6th round pick — right?
    Look, BG has a rabbit’s foot that works because he was a no body who lucked into his first start because Simms was hurt and then that a 7th round journeyman, Tim Rattay, took the job and then they brought in Jeff Garcia to take over and he was gone. BG actually took an 11-5 team to 3-8 so it’s not like he was taking over a crappy squad.
    Hell, if you look at their careers after 3 seasons, BG isn’t going to be winning any beauty contests over JR and his supporters can fantasize all they want but Campbell would have beaten him out easily for the starting job. Even after his 2-2 record, BG’s 5-11 as a career starter. After his first 16 starts, JR was 5-11.

  177. edgy1957 says: Apr 30, 2010 2:59 PM

    jimicos says:
    There’s clearly lots of variables, but you’re trying to make this turd look decent when the numbers simply don’t support it
    *************************
    Again, it’s NOT about Russell. Seriously, when two rookie WRs cause their starters to gain between 5-11 points on their completion percentage without them in the lineup, it’s NOT about the QBs.

  178. this class sucks says: Apr 30, 2010 5:00 PM

    Leaf is worse, yahoo did a good article on it comparing the stats its not even close.

  179. jimicos says: Apr 30, 2010 5:38 PM

    edgy1957 says:
    April 30, 2010 2:59 PM
    Again, it’s NOT about Russell. Seriously, when two rookie WRs cause their starters to gain between 5-11 points on their completion percentage without them in the lineup, it’s NOT about the QBs.
    ————————–
    That sure is an easy position to take, isn’t it? Next year when JaMarcus is an ex-Raider and those same guys are putting up better numbers you can always claim it’s because they’re not rookies and JaMarcus didn’t get a fair shake…. Although he did shake a fair deal when on the field.
    I’m not going to argue this point any more. I think I’ve shown how a 6th round journeyman QB made Russell look silly. And since you’re clinging to the rookie WR argument you can’t be proven wrong.

  180. edgy1957 says: Apr 30, 2010 7:19 PM

    jimicos says:
    That sure is an easy position to take, isn’t it?
    ****************************
    I don’t give a sh*t about JaMarcus Russell. Hell, I don’t give a sh*t about the Raiders. You’re going nutso over a non-issue. Hell, I actually like Vince Young more than Russell and YET, I can’t stand here and try to make a case that what you consider his two worst receivers are even in the same ball park. When the worst that you can say is that it cost one QB, Young, a little over 1% and the other, a little over 3%, it’s obvious that those two guys didn’t screw up as badly as those two. Even as bad as Roy Williams was, he only cost Romo 3% off his completion pct.
    BTW, BG, only completed 54% of his passes and wait for it – his best two games came AFTER DHB was gone for good. Is that a coincidence or is it not hitting bedrock that he is the worst WR taken last year and decades before and to come.

  181. edgy1957 says: May 1, 2010 4:21 PM

    My list for the biggest busts:
    http://www.boards.edgy-sports.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=2586&start=0

  182. jimicos says: May 4, 2010 2:22 PM

    I’ll be sure to check that out.
    /sarcasm

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