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Roethlisberger spent weekend in a clinic

B. Roethlisberger2.jpgWhile his teammates practiced in Pittsburgh, Ben Roethlisberger spent the weekend in a clinic, beginning a process the Steelers expect to take “days” not weeks. 

“Depending on how that evaluation by specialists goes, [Roethlisberger] either could
return to the team or be asked to return to the clinic for further
evaluation,” Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette writes.

The evaluation is a key part of Roethlisberger’s suspension.  SI’s Peter King reprinted an interesting letter sent by Roethlisberger’s lawyer David Cornwell to Commissioner Roger Goodell which focused on helping Roethlisberger develop as a person.

The Steelers next practice on May 18; it’s uncertain when Roethlisberger will be allowed to participate in football activities again.

UPDATE: Jason La Canfora of NFL Network writes that some in the Steelers organization are hopeful Roethlisberger can return by June OTAs.

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  1. stephen8 says: May 3, 2010 12:16 PM

    lets hope he’s changed

  2. karmathaitch says: May 3, 2010 12:17 PM

    You mean the pig farm..

  3. God's Own Silver and Blue says: May 3, 2010 12:18 PM

    For the sake of the local kollege kuties, I hope Saltpeter Stew was the entree of choice in the facility’s chow hall.

  4. Eagles4life says: May 3, 2010 12:24 PM

    She said no! She said no! She said no!! Ok, I couldn’t resist. Ben ya let me down man. I defended to you the end with your prior allegations… I mean your Ben Roethlisberger! You WON 2 SUPERBOWLS!!! How little game do you have that you have to rape women. Jesus buy them a piece of jewelry or take one of the diamonds out of your rings and put it on a necklace… the panties drop w/out a criminal investigation.

  5. AllThat says: May 3, 2010 12:24 PM

    a process the Steelers expect to take “days” not weeks
    365 days….or 52 weeks…whatever

  6. robert ethan says: May 3, 2010 12:25 PM

    Obviously Cornwell is used to being paid by the hour. He TOOK FOREVER to say NOTHING. That’s Ben’s real punishment, he has to give away hard earned money to gasbags. Hilarious.

  7. silverback says: May 3, 2010 12:26 PM

    I wonder if there were any hot staff members in the clinic?

  8. filthymcnasty says: May 3, 2010 12:27 PM

    yeah…an abortion clinic.

  9. shoe says: May 3, 2010 12:28 PM

    Where was Tebow this weekend?

  10. EskinSux says: May 3, 2010 12:28 PM

    I once wrote the same type of letter as Cornwell, to the principal of one of my boys when he was acting up in elementary school…..I think it was 3rd grade….

  11. oyoy84 says: May 3, 2010 12:30 PM

    Did he see THERAPIST Alex?

  12. Norseman says: May 3, 2010 12:30 PM

    He doesn’t need a clinic to tell him, “Ben, get your head out of your ass and your mind off your pecker.”

  13. edgy1957 says: May 3, 2010 12:31 PM

    While Ben’s sexual activities may offend some, anyone would have been hard pressed to predict that Ben’s actions would have resulted in such vicious and false allegations
    ***************
    Seriously? I’d be hard pressed NOT to predict that he was going to get his ass in trouble sooner or later because of his actions, just like many of the ones who tried to warn him about his motorcycle did so because they could see what could happen.

  14. TFBuckFutter says: May 3, 2010 12:31 PM

    I think the Steelers would be wise to temper their expectations.
    I’m sure once he starts raping the staff, they might want to keep him in their longer.

  15. kappa08 says: May 3, 2010 12:33 PM

    …it won’t be long before he starts up some religious turrets…

  16. e.henry says: May 3, 2010 12:33 PM

    UPDATE: Jason La Canfora of NFL Network writes that some in the Steelers organization are hopeful Roethlisberger can return by June OTAs.
    Obviously not the cheerleaders though.

  17. Wallacej says: May 3, 2010 12:34 PM

    “…Ben Roethlisberger spent the weekend in a clinic, beginning a process the Steelers expect to take “days” not weeks. ”
    Yep, the penicillin should kick in pretty quickly.

  18. tryagain says: May 3, 2010 12:36 PM

    that letter from the lawyer is pretty gag inducing, i wonder if rog puked while reading it.

  19. Dixon29 says: May 3, 2010 12:37 PM

    “Clinic” should read “Jail”. Love the Legal System.

  20. Profanity in ALL CAPS says: May 3, 2010 12:39 PM

    herpes is for life. sorry big ben.

  21. AZ Red Bird says: May 3, 2010 12:41 PM

    in further news….
    ‘he raped every woman in there’
    He’s a POS that should be in jail.

  22. FireJerryJones says: May 3, 2010 12:43 PM

    Ben says Tiger’s just misunderstood….

  23. stiller43 says: May 3, 2010 12:44 PM

    e.henry,
    Real football teams don’t have cheerleaders, but thanks.

  24. Common Sense says: May 3, 2010 12:44 PM

    Burns when he pee’s

  25. abqwhodey says: May 3, 2010 12:44 PM

    If Corey Dillon’s making a run for re-employment with the Bengals then Florio’s precious shittsburgh franchise must be gettin big Ben to scout at said clinic

  26. se18a29 says: May 3, 2010 12:47 PM

    Were the clinic bathrooms off limits to rapistberger?

  27. kosarsmyidol says: May 3, 2010 12:48 PM

    If he’s an alcoholic, he will have a lifelong battle that can be won with unwavering commitment. If he is a sex offender, recidivism rates are so high that he’ll likely do it again.

  28. SamWycheForPrez says: May 3, 2010 12:48 PM

    What, no dated Bengals cheap shot wedged sideways into this story? Oh, never mind, Florio didn’t write this one.

  29. JimmySmith says: May 3, 2010 12:48 PM

    How long does it take to teach a guy to pull his zipper up?, hopefully moving his pecker out of the way first.
    What a scumbag.

  30. Gröfaz says: May 3, 2010 12:51 PM

    …can return by June OTAs.
    “Obviously not the cheerleaders though.”
    Only place on earth where women will ask to have cameras installed in their bathroom.

  31. WarrenMoonGOAT says: May 3, 2010 12:53 PM

    what the hell a clinic for what?
    sexual disease?
    sexual addiction?

  32. Krow says: May 3, 2010 12:54 PM

    There’s a clinic for a sexual predator?

  33. stugacz says: May 3, 2010 12:54 PM

    @UPDATE: Jason La Canfora of NFL Network writes that some in the Steelers organization are hopeful Roethlisberger can return by June OTAs.
    Obviously not the cheerleaders though.
    ******************************************
    The Steelers do not have cheerleaders…dumbell.

  34. Crabcake says: May 3, 2010 12:57 PM

    SHE SAID NO! SHE SAID NO! And I hope no one lets him forget it!!!!!

  35. ppdoc13 says: May 3, 2010 12:58 PM

    He and Tiger were seen in the CSP (clinic for sexual predators) in Tuscon, AZ. Last I heard Tiger’s stroke was still better than Ben’s and his girls are a hell of a lot better looking.

  36. stiles22 says: May 3, 2010 12:58 PM

    I don’t think going on the set of MTV’s Tool Academy should count as a “clinic”.

  37. AllThat says: May 3, 2010 1:01 PM

    Steelers don’t have cheerleaders…….Although all the fans on PFT is bad enough……just sayin

  38. brownsfn says: May 3, 2010 1:03 PM

    should have been jail….scumbag

  39. FAS says: May 3, 2010 1:12 PM

    Rapist camp?…..really?

  40. EverybodyGotAIDS says: May 3, 2010 1:18 PM

    Gröfaz says:
    May 3, 2010 12:51 PM
    …can return by June OTAs.
    “Obviously not the cheerleaders though.”
    Only place on earth where women will ask to have cameras installed in their bathroom.
    _________________
    *slow clap*
    Classic. Absolutely classic.

  41. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: May 3, 2010 1:20 PM

    Real football teams don’t have cheerleaders, but thanks.
    ================================
    No cheerleaders, just a gay pornstar puppet for a mascot. Honestly Steeler nation, how do you tolerate Steely McBeam?

  42. Deb says: May 3, 2010 1:20 PM

    “Following a recent disciplinary hearing, you and I discussed privately your commitment to address each case based on its unique set of facts, without regard for the rancor of the public and the press.”
    If this is true, perhaps I’ve been too hard on Goodell. I’ve always thought the order for behavioral evaluation was brilliant, but believed the punishment should have come from the team so the league couldn’t be accused of dispensing unequal justice. But if he’s genuinely determined to review each case on its merits, maybe his thoughts in suspending Ben went beyond pandering to an ignorant lynch mob.

  43. Deb says: May 3, 2010 1:24 PM

    @ppdoc13 …
    Maybe you shouldn’t hang out here. I think your IQ is dropping.

  44. 90ragtop says: May 3, 2010 1:24 PM

    I hear that the TV might need fixed in Ben’s room at the clinic.

  45. Florio-is-a-tool says: May 3, 2010 1:27 PM

    This is great – someone went to a clinic to cure “jerk.” The Catholics have been trying that for generations and see how far that’s gotten them…
    Maybe there is hope for him if he’s learning social skills for grown-ups.

  46. funi says: May 3, 2010 1:31 PM

    Ok idiots, the she said no comments can not come from a drunk bitch name DTF.Down To F@#K! She wanted someone;s love jiuce and she got some! NOW EXPOSE THIS SLUTS NAME!!

  47. EskinSux says: May 3, 2010 1:34 PM

    “real football teams don’t have cheerleaders”…
    ——————————————-
    Well, hot damn, this may be the most brilliant response ever written….So, at every Steelers home game, every promotional event, every Steelers fan looks at each other and says..You know what….I’m so damn glad we don’t have any cheerleaders here to ruin the moment….But, i’m sure if they did, they would be the hottest cheerleaders of all time….Every other team is fake, because they have cheerleaders, is that what you’re saying?…..

  48. Rasta says: May 3, 2010 1:36 PM

    Give Roethlisberger some electric shock treatments while there. I almost forgot “NEUTER HIM”

  49. MrONE50 says: May 3, 2010 1:36 PM

    Unnoticed, was BigBen’s off duty officer/bodyguard/doormen pillaging the clinic’s drug locker for chloroform and cialis.

  50. Bdrunk says: May 3, 2010 1:38 PM

    brownsfn says:
    May 3, 2010 1:03 PM
    should have been Cleveland….*sob*
    ————–
    FYP

  51. jamaltimore says: May 3, 2010 1:39 PM

    Is he getting back to his Buddist roots as well? They should sentence him to solitary confinement in the Janitor’s Closet. Staff better hope his TV works or some nurse is going to get knocked up!
    Squeeler Fans must be counting the days to get their Fat Headed Drunk Rapist back! Can’t wait till omar epps blows up in a press conference aka Denny Green. Something like this, We knew exactly who he was, a rapist, Go ahead crown him a rapist if you want to! midgeville LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!

  52. PAJoe says: May 3, 2010 1:44 PM

    If they have “pray away the gay” retreats, I’m sure there must be a “rape is not fun” retreat/clinic as well. Ben’s new favorite saying both on and off the field is: Don’t force it, Don’t force it!!

  53. AllThat says: May 3, 2010 2:00 PM

    @funi says:
    May 3, 2010 1:31 PM
    Ok idiots, the she said no comments can not come from a drunk bitch name DTF.Down To F@#K! She wanted someone;s love jiuce and she got some! NOW EXPOSE THIS SLUTS NAME!!
    HER NAME IS FUNI!!!!!!
    THERE ARE YOU HAPPY.
    ALL CAPS ARE NOT NECESSARY

  54. spliffbunker says: May 3, 2010 2:04 PM

    now that this has been reported I hope the media can show some class & leave it alone
    no need for daily updates from un-named sources orspeculation from talking heads
    it’s not any of our business

  55. ppdoc13 says: May 3, 2010 2:18 PM

    @Deb – aww come on…. I have spent the last month and change coming to you defense. So I let slip one stupid comment and you trash me????? Where is the love????

  56. kappa08 says: May 3, 2010 2:20 PM

    yo funi..get a grip of yourself.
    Seriously, you’re that pi55ed about a fellow predator getting stuck?

  57. Meldog says: May 3, 2010 2:28 PM

    I think he should have to go on the Steve Wilkos show.

  58. jfd117 says: May 3, 2010 2:34 PM

    I hope his therapist isn’t 20 years old with a restroom down the hall.

  59. jamaltimore says: May 3, 2010 2:37 PM

    Is he getting back to his Buddist roots as well? They should sentence him to solitary confinement in the Janitor’s Closet. Staff better hope his TV works or some nurse is going to get knocked up!
    Squeeler Fans must be counting the days to get their Fat Headed Drunk Rapist back! Can’t wait till omar epps blows up in a press conference aka Denny Green. Something like this, We knew exactly who he was, a rapist, Go ahead crown him a rapist if you want to! midgeville LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!

  60. Passrusher76 says: May 3, 2010 3:19 PM

    Just give him a blowup doll and tell him it’s all he needs.

  61. edgy1957 says: May 3, 2010 3:22 PM

    As the poet once wrote:
    Oh, somewhere in Steelerland the sun is shining bright;
    The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
    And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
    But there is no joy in Milledgeville — mighty Ben had struck out.

  62. dietrich43 says: May 3, 2010 3:32 PM

    To paraphrase the movie classic Blazing Saddles,
    “I like rape, football, drinking, rape.”
    “You said rape twice.”
    “I really like rape.”

  63. BigAlHeBDMan says: May 3, 2010 3:50 PM

    “real football teams don’t have cheerleaders”…
    Except the final NFL playoff teams, Jets, Vikings, Colts and Saints.

  64. Dr.McTrouble says: May 3, 2010 4:00 PM

    @DrMcTrouble
    Lay off guys…Tiger Woods swears by this same clinic and he has given up 121 women for a life of celibacy.

  65. Mooch says: May 3, 2010 4:08 PM

    So it begins…
    1) Check into clinic…CHECK
    2) Go to AA…May
    3) Find Jesus…June
    4) Get haircut, wear adult clothes in public…July
    5) Visit sick kids in hospital with lots of press…August
    6) Tearful interview with Bradshaw…September
    7) Tearful pre-Goodell interview with Eisen…October
    8) Reinstatement
    9) Pregame apology to fans, Rooneys
    10) Goes 5-3 to take Steelers to 9-7 record
    11) Say that, despite missing playoffs, you feel “blessed and now get it that playing in the NFL is a ‘privilege’.
    The end.

  66. Deb says: May 3, 2010 4:16 PM

    @ppdoc13 …
    Okay, I’ll admit the second I hit submit, I wished I hadn’t … but come on … you, too? And edgy1957? You guys are sooo much smarter than these other monkeys. Is it that you just can’t resist the “boys will be boys” thing? Only spliffbunker keeps taking the high road.
    Besides, that wasn’t me trashing you. That was me affectionately punching you (and now edgy) in the arm and going, “Did you hafta do that?”

  67. ambientnoise says: May 3, 2010 4:47 PM

    where are all the apologist steeler fans? oh, ben’s so innocent! that’s why he’s at a SEXUAL PREDATOR CLINIC!!
    what do you tell your children in pittsburgh? “yes, son, he raped several women, but see, he’s won some super bowls. that makes it okay!”
    seriously, though, i’m curious.

  68. Deb says: May 3, 2010 4:56 PM

    @Mooch …
    You need to work on your math (among other things). If he goes 5-3, it means he started 8 games. If it’s a six-game suspension, he’ll start 10 games. In all likelihood, it will be a four-game suspension, and he’ll start 12 games.
    He’s gone to the clinic for an evaluation, as ordered by the commissioner. Supposedly he already found Jesus, and there’s already plenty of footage of him with sick kids and doing other charitable works. He had a haircut and clean clothes when he went to see Goodell in April. He’s already apologized to the Rooneys and the fans.
    Let’s just hope he never does that interview with Bradshaw. If he wants to cry with someone, he can cry with Barbara Walters or Oprah like everyone else.

  69. Deb says: May 3, 2010 5:32 PM

    @ambientnoise …
    Seriously? I doubt it.
    Ben’s not at a sexual predator clinic or a sexual anything clinic. He’s at a behavioral health clinic going through the evaluation ordered by the commissioner along with the six-game suspension. He clearly has behavioral issues–engaging in high-risk and inappropriate behavior like throwing frat-boy parties, drinking to excess, riding motorcycles sans helmet, and having indiscriminate sex. However, the court filings in Nevada and the medical evidence in Georgia shows he didn’t rape anyone. Rape is NEVER acceptable under any circumstances. Neither is falsely accusing someone of rape. He deserved suspension for what he did; he does not deserve public lynching for what he didn’t do. And being falsely accused of rape could easily happen to any man posting on this board.
    http://www.seattleweekly.com/content/printVersion/604983

  70. edgy1957 says: May 3, 2010 5:53 PM

    Deb, Deb, Deb.: Texas fries a lot of guys that have suddenly found Jesus. As for the kids and charitable works, you do realize that you’re describing OJ, right?

  71. Delhommed says: May 3, 2010 6:27 PM

    Deb… seriously though! He didn’t rape anyone? Is this with or without the ruffies? Sounds like you want to meet old Rapistberger in the nearest men’s room.

  72. ambientnoise says: May 3, 2010 7:40 PM

    so deb, what do you call plying an underage girl with drinks and then having sex with her while she’s too drunk to legally consent? call me old-fashioned, but that sounds like rape.

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  74. DeeDubb says: May 3, 2010 9:40 PM

    Planned Parenthood? I heard they gave free STD checks.

  75. Deb says: May 3, 2010 9:47 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    Cheetah, you’re making me look bad when I tell ppdoc13 you’re smarter than the monkeys on this site. I wasn’t saying give Ben a break because he’s found Jesus and does charity work. I was simply correcting Mooch’s idiotic rundown of what he’s GOING to do as part of his “rehabilitation.” Ben hasn’t committed any felonies so comparisons to O.J. are somewhat over the top. He does have issues with hyper risk-taking … which I believe we’ve discussed at length. But they don’t execute for that–not even in Texas.

  76. Bious says: May 3, 2010 9:49 PM

    Like Woods, Ben will act all changed right now
    The question is whether he will be different in a year when he has won some games and remembers he is a millionaire

  77. thepittsburghkid says: May 3, 2010 10:08 PM

    BigAlHeBDMan or a team with the most super bowls. You can have your 4 teams for 1 season, I will take the 6 super bowls.
    Western PA IS Football. We have a better understanding of the game than you. enjoy your cheerleaders while we concentrate on winning football.
    P.s. I hope the girl involved has taken some alcohol related classes. She needs more help then Ben. I agree she shouldn’t be allowed to accuse someone of a crime THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN and get to keep her anonymity.

  78. Deb says: May 3, 2010 10:19 PM

    @Delhommed and ambientnoise …
    Delhommed, you are aware that she went to the hospital, where they conducted a tox screen, right? I don’t know what “ruffies” are–sounds like a dog’s name–but no Rohypnol or “roofies” were involved in this case.
    You boys ever hear of a pelvic exam? She wouldn’t have had a full pelvic, but as part of the evidence collection for the rape kit, they would have examined her vagina, vulva, and cervix. The doctors could not find evidence of intercourse. Sexual activity, but not intercourse. That’s probably why she told police and hospital personnel she wasn’t raped.
    No intercourse = no rape.
    As for plying her with alcohol … ambientnoise, since you have such strong interest in this case, I assume you listened to the DA’s full 71-minute press conference. He said she followed Ben from club to club, drinking all the while–on her own dime. You do not “get” adults drunk. Adults choose to drink. At the club, he bought rounds for the room; she chose to drink them.
    You must also have heard the DA say Ben threw a woman out of the VIP room. It has since been reported that woman was ragging him about the Nevada rape accusation. She and a friend then tried to get back in but the bodyguard wouldn’t admit them. The club owner said he showed them a way around the bodyguard if they wanted to check on their friend, but they never went. THOSE TWO WOMEN are the ones who later dragged the accuser to the cops and insisted she was raped when she said she was not. THEY are the ones who took her to police the next day when she changed her story. They are the ONLY witnesses claiming the bodyguard blocked the bathroom rather than the entrance to the VIP room. Other witnesses dispute their claims.
    The DA said there was plenty of blame to go around–to Ben, the accuser, AND those sorority sisters. If you two have half a brain and a smidge of objectivity, you know those aren’t the words of a prosecutor who thinks a rapist got away for lack of evidence.

  79. rolli1967 says: May 3, 2010 11:11 PM

    Worthlessburger is being treated for addiction to FURBURGERS!!!

  80. amusedbyeveryone says: May 4, 2010 12:58 AM

    @deb
    You have been posting all over this website defending Ben R. However, you consistently distort and falsely characterize the facts of the case (even though you claim to be well versed in all the facts).
    Just a few examples of your mischaracterizations:
    1) On another thread you say “there was no semen or evidence of a condom.” The truth is that the GBI report says they found male DNA when they used the rape kit. If that “male DNA” wasn’t semen, what was it ?)
    2) On another thread you say “that woman” (who is probably better referred to as a girl since she was only 20, not even legal drinking age) changed her story the next day. The fact is that from the very beginning she consistently maintained that Ben R. sexually assaulted her. She never changed her story even though she did give a 2nd statement the next day.
    3) You keep saying “no intercourse = no rape.” the truth is , by your own admission in another thread there was vaginal bruising and bleeding. The fact that it COULD BE the result of something other than intercourse doesn’t mean it was. Moreover, “no rape” does NOT mean “no sexual assault.”
    Your mischaracterzations go on and on (and are too numerous to waste my time refuting point by point), leading me to conclude that you are either:
    1) So in love with Ben R. and the Steelers you can not view the evidence objectively;
    2) You are purposefully distorting the facts for fun to see if you can get a reaction out of some other posters
    3) You are some DUDE hired by Ben R.’s PR team to go all over the internet spreading BS in and effort to confuse the uniformed and distort what really happened for Ben R.’s PR benefit.
    I would strongly recommend that any reader interested in the true facts seek out the evidence and not rely on your distortions and lies.

  81. amusedbyeveryone says: May 4, 2010 1:17 AM

    @Deb:
    You have been all over this website defending Ben R. However, you have repeatedly mischaracterized the facts of the case.
    A few examples of your mischaracterizations:
    1) On another thread you say there was “no semen or evidence of a condom.” The truth is that the GBI report says they found “male DNA” when they performed used the rape kit. If the “male DNA” wasn’t semen, what was it?
    2) On another thread you say the “woman” (who is probably better characterized as a girl since she was 20, not even legal drinking age) changed her story. The truth is the girl consistently maintained that she was sexually assaulted by Ben R. The girl did give a 2nd written statement the day after the incident, but her story NEVER changed.
    3) You keep saying “no intercourse = no rape.” However, by your own admission the GBI report stated that there was vaginal bleeding and bruising. The fact that the bleeding and bruising COULD HAVE been caused by something else doesn’t mean it necessarily was.
    There are many more examples. Your distortions and mischaracterizations have been so numerous and persistent that I am forced to conclude that you are either:
    1) So in love with Ben R. and the Steelers that you cannot view the evidence objectively;
    2) You are purposefully mischaracterizing the facts for fun to see if you can get a reaction from some other posters, or
    3) You are some DUDE who has been paid by Ben R’s PR team to go all over the internet spreading misinformation to confuse the uninformed for Ben R’s PR benefit.
    I would strongly suggest that any reader interested in the true facts seek out the evidence and not rely on your distortions and lies.
    You can fool the uniformed, but please don’t insult the rest of us.

  82. RebaT. says: May 4, 2010 1:35 AM

    Bradshaw would rip his ass for millions of people to see. What a show!!
    Ben’s found Jesus? Jesus hasn’t found Ben yet. He’s just playing the game. Psychologist will just get paid off like everyone else.
    Ben didn’t apologize to the fans. He read a statement that his atty’s wrote. Loser.
    And Funi, the slut’s name IS FUNI just like a previous writer wrote.
    Deb, you can be raped without intercourse you moron.

  83. Bdrunk says: May 4, 2010 10:19 AM

    TL says:
    May 4, 2010 9:34 AM
    “SHOCKING – DEB LIES in her (or his) long winded excuse vomits for BR…”
    Oh. My. Gawd.
    Well, that’s enough for me! This woman’s statement to police should be all that’s needed to charge and convict!
    You sir (or ma’am) are a Super Sleuth! The rape kit, the GBI, and the DA couldn’t find enough evidence to put this TERRIBLE RAPIST away, yet here you come with this indisputable proof that completely overturns the entire investigation! Thank you for your top notch fact finding and dedication to this righteous cause. I suggest you turn it in to the proper authorities RIGHT NOW, so that justice can finally be served for this poor young woman.

  84. ambientnoise says: May 4, 2010 10:28 AM

    radio silence. confront the steelers fans with facts and they have to shut up.
    you support a rapist. i know the rest of us can’t persuade you that it’s wrong, but you could at least just admit it.

  85. badthings says: May 4, 2010 10:34 AM

    TL and amusedbyeveryone have some interesting points.

  86. badthings says: May 4, 2010 10:44 AM

    Bdrunk
    Lets compare it to what Ben said to the police……….oh yeah that’s right he wouldn’t talk to them. I wonder why that was?

  87. Bdrunk says: May 4, 2010 10:50 AM

    The evidence did the talking.

  88. badthings says: May 4, 2010 11:11 AM

    That’s weak. If he was completely innocent why wouldn’t he talk to the police? You would think that if Ben was completely innocent and was accused of something like this, he sure would have told the police, in detail what happened to clear his good name. But then if your not innocent, then it probably doesn’t make any sense to admit things to the police huh?

  89. Bdrunk says: May 4, 2010 11:53 AM

    Having never been accused of rape, I’ve no idea why he didn’t talk to them. The police did get their questions answered tho, via legal representation for the accused. The GBI got their questions answered, via extensive investigation. The DA got his questions answered, and handed down his ruling.
    This story has been going on since 3/5. Every possible argument, angle, accusation, witty remark that can be made, has been made 1000 times. You aren’t bringing anything new to the table. But I suppose if you still get some LOLs out of it, then there’s really nothing I can do to stop you from posting.

  90. wyoff says: May 4, 2010 11:57 AM

    amusedbyeveryone-
    The DNA evidence was so minute (less than one part per billionth) that it’s impossible to say where it came from or what it was. It could have been from some guy she was with the day before. Who knows?
    The superficial bruising and slight bleeding are also inconclusive. The doctor couldn’t make any useful conclusions from them.
    As for the woman’s (yes, someone who is over 18 is an adult) story, it conflicts with that of her friend (the woman didn’t say that she was taken back against her will). Try reading the entire 500+ page report rather than the cherry picked pages of the woman and her entourage’s testimony.
    We’ll never know what exactly happened that night. What we do know is that the DA didn’t have enough evidence to press charges.

  91. edgy1957 says: May 4, 2010 12:01 PM

    Deb, my reference to OJ are two fold: 1) Both had this squeaky clean image among kids and did a lot of charity work and 2) Both got away with it. I know that you dispute #2 but let’s be honest, he got away with a crime. If he had been in the military, there would have been no doubt that he’d have gotten his due because they don’t allow the “that slut was drunk” defense to fly and there are several other states that have the same standard.

  92. wyoff says: May 4, 2010 12:22 PM

    edgy1957-
    ” If he had been in the military, there would have been no doubt that he’d have gotten his due because they don’t allow the “that slut was drunk” defense to fly and there are several other states that have the same standard. ”
    So if a drunk guy and drunk girl have ostensibly consensual sex, the guy is a rapist because the woman is drunk? How is that fair? Why couldn’t the woman be charged with rape for having sex (“taking advantage of”) a drunk man?

  93. wyoff says: May 4, 2010 12:25 PM

    “edgy1957
    2) Both got away with it. I know that you dispute #2 but let’s be honest, he got away with a crime.”
    The comparison between OJ and Roethlisberger is ridiculous. In the OJ case there were two corpses and a mountain of physical evidence. In this Roethlisberger case there was no significant physical evidence, only some conflicting testimony from the accuser and her friends. There are no reasonable grounds to say that he clearly “got away with a crime.”

  94. badthings says: May 4, 2010 12:34 PM

    Bdrunk says: May 4, 2010 11:53 AM
    Having never been accused of rape, I’ve no idea why he didn’t talk to them.
    ______________________________________
    Maybe because he had something to hide? If not what exactly would stop him from talking with the police and explaining to them what happen so that it was crystal clear that he did nothing wrong?

  95. badthings says: May 4, 2010 12:36 PM

    # wyoff says: May 4, 2010 12:22 PM
    edgy1957-
    ” If he had been in the military, there would have been no doubt that he’d have gotten his due because they don’t allow the “that slut was drunk” defense to fly and there are several other states that have the same standard. ”
    So if a drunk guy and drunk girl have ostensibly consensual sex, the guy is a rapist because the woman is drunk? How is that fair? Why couldn’t the woman be charged with rape for having sex (“taking advantage of”) a drunk man?
    —————————————————-
    If that is what happened to Ben, why didn’t he just explain this to the police?

  96. Mooch says: May 4, 2010 12:38 PM

    Deb, my thinking is that there will be a 2 game gap in between the reinstatement and the first start, IMO. More for PR than anything else.
    Interesting now that I look at the sked, weeks 8, 9, 10 are all prime time games. So it is very likely he comes back on the field for a big one. It’s actually unavoidable unless they plug him right back in for week 7 against the Dolphins at 1pm.
    Hmmm. Interesting.

  97. Bdrunk says: May 4, 2010 1:25 PM

    badthings says:
    May 4, 2010 12:34 PM
    “Maybe because he had something to hide? If not what exactly would stop him from talking with the police and explaining to them what happen so that it was crystal clear that he did nothing wrong?”
    —————————
    So, he could’ve avoided this whole mess just by telling the cops that he didn’t do it?
    I personally feel better about it after an investigation by the authorities cleared him. If his word is all it takes for you to believe him, I don’t want you working for the judicial system or law enforcement.

  98. Deb says: May 4, 2010 2:26 PM

    amusedbyeveryone says: @deb you consistently distort and falsely characterize the facts
    *No, I don’t. Just because you don’t like the facts, doesn’t mean I’ve distorted them.
    1) The truth is that GBI report says they found male DNA. If that wasn’t semen, what was it ?)
    *DNA is the genetic material found in nearly all forms of life; it can be used to distinguish one human from another. Semen is thick, white material ejaculated by men during sex. DNA is not semen. DNA can be found in semen as well as in hair, skin, saliva, and other substances. It takes only a miniscule amount of DNA to identify a specific person. The amount of male DNA found on the accuser was so infinitesimal it could not be tested for ID. The amount of semen produced by ejaculation or even during withdrawal would have been enough to test for identification.
    2) you say “that woman” (who is probably better referred to as a girl since she was only 20
    *She was a 20-year-old woman. The DA in his press conference described her as “20 and a half.” The legal drinking age there is 21. I know 20-year-olds who are married with children.
    The fact is that from the very beginning she consistently maintained that Ben R. sexually assaulted her. She never changed her story
    *Absolutely not true. When asked by police officers if she was raped, she said no. When asked if she’d had sex, she said no. When asked by hospital personnel if she’d been raped, she said no. Later, she said she was “kinda raped.” The next day she came into the station and gave a statement saying she had been raped. The medical exam disputes that statement.
    3) by your own admission there was vaginal bruising and bleeding. “no rape” does NOT mean “no sexual assault.”
    *Yes, something else could have happened. But she NEVER alleged digital rape, oral rape, or any other type of assault. The allegation was vaginal rape. And the medical exam shows no vaginal rape occurred. What she says happened did not happen.
    Your mischaracterzations go on and on
    *I haven’t mischaracterized anything. You have misrepresented the facts and my comments. I thought you were a serious poster asking for information, which I took time to provide. Instead, you’re just another junior-high idiot carrying on that: YOU’RE IN LOVE WITH BEN. YOU’RE MAKING IT UP. YOU’RE A DUDE. NO ONE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU.
    No, I’m a rape survivor, a writer and researcher with a journalism degree who used to report in a country that didn’t have due process, and the sister and sister-in-law of criminal defense attorneys. I took the time to research the case because it mattered to me whether someone I’d cheered for six years had raped someone. And it mattered to me whether someone was being wrongfully accused. Unlike you, I take this stuff seriously. You’re just another rival fan–but more of a pig than most.

  99. Deb says: May 4, 2010 2:46 PM

    @RebaT. …
    Yes, there is digital rape and oral rape and anal rape and rape with objects. Thank you for your insight. But the woman in this case stated that she was vaginally raped.
    It doesn’t matter how many types of rape and assault exist in the universe. It only matters that she says she was vaginally raped and the medical exam says she wasn’t. So the story she told isn’t true, and she didn’t allege any other type of sexual assault.
    I haven’t distorted any facts in this case, and despite the junior-high rantings of a bunch of rival fans and one disturbed woman, I have no reason to do so. I was a Steelers fan long before Ben Roethlisberger was drafted and will be a Steelers fan long after he leaves.

  100. Deb says: May 4, 2010 3:04 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    I say this with affection, but you’re not as smart as I thought. Do you think I’m BSing here? Or that this is some kind of homer thing for me? You REALLY don’t know me. As a rape survivor, there are few things I take more seriously than sexual abuse issues. The allegation was rape. The woman didn’t have intercourse. There was no rape. I’m not just saying he didn’t rape her, I know it with 100 percent certainty. At this point, I have no doubts whatsoever.
    And on the fan front: My family could tell you there’s no comparison between my near hero worship of O.J. Simpson and anything I feel for Roethlisberger. As a kid, I read everything on Simpson. Had pictures of him in my room. Even though he wasn’t a Steeler, I thought he was the greatest RB EVER (still do). Had dental work the day of the Bronco chase, was drugged up, and half hysterical thinking they’d shoot him. Absolutely believed his innocence … until I saw the evidence. It broke my heart, but it is what it is.
    This isn’t a homer thing. This is an evidentiary thing.

  101. Deb says: May 4, 2010 3:11 PM

    @Mooch …
    Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m expecting him back against the Browns the week after our bye. If he were injured, that’s how it would play out. He’d go as soon as he could. He’s indicating full cooperation, so I expect the suspension will end at four games. So the Browns will be his first opportunity to play.
    Now that he’s complied with the evaluation, he should be participating in camp, etc., pretty soon. He won’t be with the team the first four games, but missing team time didn’t hurt Favre last year. Ben’s a veteran and knows our system. Arians will tailor the offense for him, and he can hire a trainer to keep him in shape. The bye will give him two weeks to work out with the team. It’s a home game and the following three are road games. He definitely needs to make his debut with a home crowd and a soft opponent.

  102. badthings says: May 4, 2010 4:04 PM

    Deb,
    And on the fan front: My family could tell you there’s no comparison between my near hero worship of O.J. Simpson and anything I feel for Roethlisberger. As a kid, I read everything on Simpson. Had pictures of him in my room. Even though he wasn’t a Steeler, I thought he was the greatest RB EVER (still do). Had dental work the day of the Bronco chase, was drugged up, and half hysterical thinking they’d shoot him. Absolutely believed his innocence … until I saw the evidence. It broke my heart, but it is what it is.
    This isn’t a homer thing. This is an evidentiary thing
    ____________________________________
    So you are trying to prove you don’t have hero worship for Ben by admitting you did for OJ? Huh that makes perfect sense.

  103. edgy1957 says: May 4, 2010 4:21 PM

    wyoff says:
    There are no reasonable grounds to say that he clearly “got away with a crime.”
    ***********************
    You must be a touch typist because clearly, you’re blind. Look, you can pretend all you want like OJ’s apologizers did but he got away with it. Even though I like OJ, I’m not THAT stupid or loyal to believe that he didn’t do it.

  104. Deb says: May 4, 2010 4:34 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    This is not the military, so get over it. Women can’t decide they want the right to chose for their bodies, then abdicate that choice every time they want a good time. True case: College woman goes to party, gets rip-roaring drunk. Climbs all over drunk guy. They go back to his place, have sex. Next day, she decides she has regrets. Says she was too drunk to consent. He was drunk, too, and she was a willing participant so how was he to know she didn’t consent?????????? Charges are dropped, but the campus women plaster his name and photo all over campus calling him a rapist. He has to leave school. The allegations follow him everywhere he goes.
    Let’s not forget Roethlisberger was buying rounds for the ROOM–which included men and women, not just THAT woman. He didn’t get that woman drunk. He didn’t knock her down and pour booze down her throat. Grow up. That 20-year-old woman CHOSE to drink herself into oblivion. And reportedly it’s a regular occurrence for her. Roethlisberger is an irresponsible ass. SO IS SHE. In fact, she’s much much worse because she made a false rape allegation at the behest of her sorority sisters who wanted to get even with him for tossing them from the party. Every false allegation–and there are MANY–hurts real victims.
    Calling women in these “DTF But Too Drunk to Remember” circumstances rape victims is a slap in the face to every woman whose been drugged, overpowered, raped at gunpoint and knifepoint, stalked, beaten within an inch of their lives, gang raped, and raped as children. I know women in EACH of those circumstances. THEY went through hell and THEY are rape victims, not that ANY of you really care about REAL sexual assault victims. This Georgia person is NOT a victim of anyone but her sorority sisters and her own stupidity. The DA came pretty close to saying exactly that if you bothered listening to the full press conference.
    In this case, the issue of consent doesn’t even come into play because no intercourse occurred. Period. And if this was your buddy, your brother, or your son, and not the QB of a team you hate, you big bad boys would be screaming to the heavens about the injustice of it all.

  105. edgy1957 says: May 4, 2010 4:44 PM

    Deb says:
    I say this with affection, but you’re not as smart as I thought. Do you think I’m BSing here? Or that this is some kind of homer thing for me?
    **************************
    I can’t help but think that you are being affected by your loyalty. You can believe all that you want and even claim that there was no contact but even a post from Florio that points to an outside source said that Ben admitted to sexual contact.
    Ok, so you say that you’re a rape survivor. Were you a DRUNK rape survivor and if you were, how can anyone take your word that you were ever raped in the first place? Hell, I don’t even think that you were raped and you were just asking for it. I bet you just got pissed because he never called you back and you decided to get him back for hurting you THAT way.
    See, it’s real easy to be on the other side of that conversation and judge others, even as a survivor. You keep screaming “NO DNA” all day but how did the bruises get there — magic? Like it or not, the putz got away with it. I consider him 1 and 1 (1 false and 1 Thank God, I got away with it) on this issue. Hell, the police botched evidence and the club screwed up evidence at the scene, so there’s stuff that no one will ever know because of that. Maybe this last one will be enough to scare him straight but you know what, guys like him tend to do things a little different the next time to avoid being caught NOT to keep from doing it.

  106. Deb says: May 4, 2010 4:59 PM

    @badthings …
    My point was that if I could be objective about the evidence in O.J.’s case–despite how crazy I was about him–I can be objective in this case because I’ve never felt like that about Ben.
    Ben has many things he needs to address. He’s immature, irresponsible, egotistical, and seems to think he’s made of Teflon. Sounds like he’s a dog to women–or at least to some women. His risk-taking behavior indicates he may have even more serious issues, and he clearly can’t handle alcohol. He’s kind of a jackass.
    But when, among many other things, a woman texts her friend two days after she says she was raped and says she’s looking forward to seeing the guy again, she wasn’t raped. And when a medical exam says a woman didn’t have intercourse, she wasn’t raped either.
    The first woman ran up a big debt and sued for $3 million. The second woman had a vindictive girlfriend Ben threw out of the party that his bodyguard wouldn’t let back in. That girlfriend and her buddy is the one who dragged the woman to the cops and screamed rape when the woman denied it. That girlfriend & buddy is the one who took her to police the next morning when she changed her story. That girlfriend & buddy are the ones claiming the bodyguard blocked the bathroom when others say he didn’t.
    None of this is terribly complicated.

  107. Deb says: May 4, 2010 6:07 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    Like I said, buddy, none of you care about real sexual assault survivors. If you did, you wouldn’t have crossed that line in trying to make an asinine point on a blog. I was working in a dangerous place in another country. I’d had other close calls but had done a good job managing my environment. That night, through a series of mishaps, I wound up alone and trapped. I was sober, fought with every ounce of strength I had, and lost. And you are an ass.
    One of the many galling aspects of this case is hearing how many people have been maligned in the attempts to tar Roethlisberger.
    The DA stressed that reports of Roethlisberger admitting contact were false. That said, I’m sure there was sexual contact. I’ve always believed he was using his hand. That would be consistent with the timeline and the medical/DNA findings. The DA also stressed the pair were engaged in mutual sexual conduct all evening, according multiple witnesses. In his brief statement, the only thing Ben admitted was telling her she was too drunk to be back there. She said he turned around and left without saying a word. It’s possible one or both of them was too drunk to continue so he left without a word. I’m sure that disappointed her. But that is speculation. What we know is she alleged vaginal rape and no intercourse occurred.
    We also know a sorority girl with an ax to grind set this in motion. She and her friend dragged the accuser to the police and insisted she’d been raped. She said she had not. The officers–whatever their attitude–acted appropriately. They sent her to the hospital, dispatched a detective, and filed an incident report. In rape cases, evidence is usually found on the victim. It was 12-13 hours before she decided she had been raped. By then the bathroom had been cleaned. But DNA from the accuser and Ben could have been in the bathroom because they’d both used it–as had dozens of others. Nothing found there would have countered the medical exam.
    The security system is a motion-activated DVR system that records over itself when it’s full–just like your DVR at home. There were no cameras in the VIP area, bathroom, or hallway. So there would have been no footage relevant to these events. The GBI viewed the footage. It showed Roethlisberger’s party entering the club and the woman’s party entering sometime later. They could have downloaded the footage to disk to preserve it, but didn’t.
    We know that the only people claiming the bodyguard blocked the door are the sorority sister with the ax to grind and her buddy … the same ones who dragged the accuser to the police and said she was raped when she said she wasn’t … the same ones who took her to the station the next morning. We know multiple witnesses said the women followed Ben all night.
    No one botched anything, edgy1957. Rival fans just didn’t get the outcome they wanted. Ben brought his punishment on himself with his behavior, and it’s fitting. But if there were any real justice, some women would be going to jail.

  108. edgy1957 says: May 4, 2010 6:21 PM

    Deb says:
    May 4, 2010 4:34 PM
    @edgy1957 …
    This is not the military, so get over it. Women can’t decide they want the right to chose for their bodies, then abdicate that choice every time they want a good time
    ********************
    You should pay more attention to the real world and quit dismissing what I’ve said concerning the military. People are bitching about the PCP and how Goodell has been adminstering it but the military was ahead of him on that, as well. You may live in a world that believes that things will stay the same but you’re wrong and it’s becoming more like what the military has put on its books and even the holdouts in the South are starting to realize that it makes sense to do so because of the prevalent use of GHB and alcohol in these cases.
    Want to swap true stories then here’s one: my former next door neighbor came home drunk 7 days a week and 3 out of 7 nights, she’d have someone with her. She’d actually tell me how she wished that she could find someone because she hadn’t had sex with anyone in months and I’d actually have to take her to her favorite bar so the people there could tell her that she had gone home that night with someone when she kept insisting that she didn’t.
    On the nights that she didn’t bring someone home, she would end up passing out on the streets and I’d have to take her in and wash her up because she was so drunk that her bowel muscles would relax and she’s end up peeing and/or crapping on herself. The funny thing is that while I wouldn’t touch her, the guys that were with her had no problem and I doubt that she was awake half the time. Can you believe that she’s capable of making a rational deciision when she can’t even remember whether she was with someone or not.
    I’m sorry but you must believe that everything that needed to be said was said in that news conference because you keep bringing it up. More important than what you’re saying about her is what he said about both but you keep glossing over that fact, as well.
    Ben followed her and I doubt that ANYONE that was watching this could believe for one minute that he was heading there to get some from a woman who could make an informed decision and if you believe that she could then it explains a lot.
    I don’t give a rat’s ass if you are a rape survivor because that doesn’t give you a right to judge this woman. I find it offensive that you think that it’s a slap in the face to someone that was DRUGGED but NOT drunk. How would you feel if you had to put up with people who said that YOU were asking for it because of the way you dressed or acted before your rape? How DARE YOU judge her just because she was drunk and not drugged? My God, even when I had a few too many, I KNEW when a woman was drunk and I wouldn’t bother with her because I was smart enough to realize that nothing good could come out of it (I got that put into me after waking up to a friend of mine kicking the asses of two guys who raped a girl who had passed out and her friends had left her).
    Ok, up until now, I’ve been gentle with you but I’m going to call you FOS on the last paragraph. I don’t hate BR and if you’re going to try to turn this into that then STOP replying to me. If you remember CORRECTLY, all that I have EVER criticized the MORON for is his lack of JUDGEMENT and for that, I call him a MORON. That’s NOT out of hatred but concern about how bad he’s making the NFL and the Steelers look. It’s funny how a Cowboys fan cares more about how a player makes YOUR organization look than YOU do. I don’t hate Irvin but I’ve criticized him as well, along with several other Cowboys like Pacman Jones.

  109. amusedbyeveryone says: May 4, 2010 6:21 PM

    @ Deb
    I don’t intend to waste my time responding to you.
    You are a DUDE on here just to see if you can get people “riled up” with your BS. You do this because you enjoy the arguments.
    Have a few shots with Ben R. Oh wait, he doesn’t let DUDES in the VIP room with him.
    Not gonna waste my time with you.

  110. edgy1957 says: May 4, 2010 6:52 PM

    Deb, at some point you’re going to understand that Pittsburgh is in NO WAY, a rival to the Cowboys. There’s the Super Bowl crap that some fans care about but OUR rivals are in the division. That being said, I don’t care if it’s a rival or not or even if it’s the team that I root for because I don’t play favorites. If that had been Tony Romo, I’d have been as adament as I am about Ben. At least Tony hangs around with women who don’t need to make their money by suing him. If he had a custom license plate, it could be KEPT because his women make as much or more than he does. From what I’ve heard about him, I don’t think that those kind of women would be anything but repulsed by Ben’s behavior or else he wouldn’t have to be out trolling for 20 year olds in bars.
    You can’t even read a full report to understand the fact that the police HAD the recordings in their hand and DIDN’T make a copy when they could have and it was only after they gave it back, that they were recordered over. In other words – BOTCHED. Oh and I noticed that you CONVENIENTLY glossed over the club’s involvement in screwing up the evidence.
    I’m going to end this now because you’ve proven here and in other posts that you really don’t want to see anything but the fact that Ben is “pwoor innocent boy, who’s been accused by a slutty DTF whore and her vindictive friends.”

  111. Deb says: May 4, 2010 7:03 PM

    @edgy1957 …
    Ohhhh, you’ve been gentle with me? Why, kind sir, thank you soooo much. Aren’t you just the Texas gentlemen?
    Baby, I have seen the real world and not with the United States military backing me up. I was on my own when I hit ground in the war zone. And that night, through a series of mishaps, I was stuck in a nightmare neighborhood in a place with no electricity, trying to sleep in a tiny child’s bed IN MY STREET CLOTHES when someone I just met broke into my room and jumped me before I could move. He outweighed me and outmuscled me by a considerable amount, so I was at an extreme disadvantage from the get-go. There was no way out and no one to call for help.
    Now I’m just THRILLED you think bathing an alcoholic is a comparable experience. How unfortunate for me not to have a self-righteous knight in shining armor like you to come to my rescue. I’m sure such a kind and caring soul would have been a lot gentler than he was.
    1. YES, there is a difference between a woman who bends elbow to mouth and willingly consumes copious amounts of alcohol and one who has Rohypnol slipped into her drink without her knowledge.
    2. YES, there is a difference between a woman starts pursuing a man and continues pursuing him while consuming copious amounts of alcohol and one who passes out at a party then gets humped by some stranger who finds her in a heap on the floor.
    3. NO, I don’t consider it rape when TWO people who willingly consumer copious amounts of alcohol willingly climb all over one another.
    4. I SURE AS HECK don’t consider it rape when the medical exam says there was no freakin’ intercourse.
    As you WELL know I’ve called Ben out MANY MANY times for his jackass behavior and I’m glad he’s being taken to task for it. But jackass doesn’t equal rapist. If it did, most of the men posting on this site would be shaing a cell.

  112. Deb says: May 4, 2010 7:14 PM

    Well, edgy1957, I agree that the Cowboys are not rivals to the Steelers. That you would even bring up something so silly says a lot.
    I made it QUITE clear that the GBI had the recordings, viewed them, and failed to download them to disk. Not sure how I could have made that any clearer. But that doesn’t change the fact that there were no cameras in the VIP room, bathroom, or hallway … something you keep conveniently omitting.
    Barney, the club had NO responsibility to preserve evidence and had not been instructed to preserve evidence.
    Yeah, I’m sure you do want to end it now. You, of all people, know how many times I’ve condemned Ben’s behavior. And you have no comeback for the results of the medical exam or the fact that the only statements about the bodyguard blocking the bathroom came from a sorority sister the Ben ejected from the party. Multiple statements contradict her. Nice try, edgy1957, but to paraphrase Denny, you’re not who I thought you were.
    And since you’re old enough to know better, you should be ashamed of yourself for the comments you’ve made today.

  113. badthings says: May 4, 2010 7:42 PM

    Deb,
    Look back and see how many long drawn out posts you wrote just on this article alone defending Ben and then tell me you’re not obsessed with him? You really should take a step back.

  114. Deb says: May 4, 2010 8:15 PM

    @badthings …
    The reason for the number of posts is that I was answering comments directed to me. The reason for the length is because the case is complicated–and I can get annoyingly preachy. But did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason for my fixation isn’t the dimwit QB but the subject matter? I’ve known a lot of assault victims and a lot of people wrongly imprisoned and spent a lot of time combing through documentation on different cases. It all hits home.
    Yes, I know I should step back.

  115. badthings says: May 4, 2010 8:41 PM

    Deb,
    If your so concerned only about the subject matter why do you just dismiss the girl and her friends as drunk sluts, when Ben wouldn’t even talk to the police and tell them his side of the story????
    Really I don’t need a response, and yes you really should step back.

  116. Deb says: May 4, 2010 9:26 PM

    Nah, of course you don’t need a response because you’re not now and never have been interested in due process, legal issues, or any of the facts of this case. I’ve never used the term “sluts.” That’s your terminology, you pathetic ass. And I never dismissed her. I thoroughly reviewed the documentation from all aspects. Guess you missed the part of my comment about how many people I’ve known who’ve been wrongly imprisoned. Just because I’m a rape survivor doesn’t mean I hate all men. It means I take the issue seriously–and it means I have big problems with clogging the sex offender registry with people who aren’t sex abusers, which is a constant concern for activists on these issues.
    Apparently, that dead brain of yours doesn’t understand that it’s the job of the state to prove guilt, not the job of the accused to prove innocence. No one accused of a crime should ever give a statement to the police under any circumstances. You have a right to remain silent. You should use it. Anyone who doesn’t get that is a fool. It’s not very nice, but I hope you’re accused of a crime some day, and I hope you talk your head off proclaiming your innocence. Then watch the system work its magic. You have no idea how many innocent people have been convicted on their own words.
    Nothing Ben said would have changed the results of the medical examination.
    The fact that I actually treated something like you as a mature adult in my comment is more than ample proof that I need to step back. But I wasn’t saying it for the reason you think, you sad excuse for a man. I meant I need to step back because I’m throwing the pearls of my life in front of the lowest form of swine. They don’t get much lower than you.

  117. badthings says: May 4, 2010 10:55 PM

    Deep Breath….and Step Back…

  118. Bdrunk says: May 5, 2010 8:29 AM

    badthings says:
    May 4, 2010 8:41 PM
    “Deb,
    If your so concerned only about the subject matter why do you just dismiss the girl and her friends as drunk sluts, when Ben wouldn’t even talk to the police and tell them his side of the story????
    Really I don’t need a response, and yes you really should step back.”
    —————————–
    badthings says:
    May 4, 2010 12:34 PM
    “Maybe because he had something to hide? If not what exactly would stop him from talking with the police and explaining to them what happen so that it was crystal clear that he did nothing wrong?”
    —————————
    So, he could’ve avoided this whole mess just by telling the cops that he didn’t do it?
    I personally feel better about it after an investigation by the authorities cleared him. If his word is all it takes for you to believe him, I don’t want you working for the judicial system or law enforcement.
    —————–
    *cough* AHEM

  119. Mooch says: May 5, 2010 10:13 AM

    Yeah, if it goes down to 4 games, which it almost certainly will. Luckily that is a home game against a joke team. Hmmm. I wonder if that was planned?
    We usually get the Steelers game on CBS in Philly if we get two games in that timeslot. It would be interesting to see if they keep the Steelers telecast local for Ben’s comeback game – better to do it quietly maybe and show us another game.

  120. badthings says: May 5, 2010 11:34 AM

    Bdrunk says: May 5, 2010 8:29 AM
    badthings says:
    May 4, 2010 8:41 PM
    “Deb,
    If your so concerned only about the subject matter why do you just dismiss the girl and her friends as drunk sluts, when Ben wouldn’t even talk to the police and tell them his side of the story????
    Really I don’t need a response, and yes you really should step back.”
    —————————–
    badthings says:
    May 4, 2010 12:34 PM
    “Maybe because he had something to hide? If not what exactly would stop him from talking with the police and explaining to them what happen so that it was crystal clear that he did nothing wrong?”
    —————————
    So, he could’ve avoided this whole mess just by telling the cops that he didn’t do it?
    I personally feel better about it after an investigation by the authorities cleared him. If his word is all it takes for you to believe him, I don’t want you working for the judicial system or law enforcement.
    —————–
    *cough* AHEM
    ____________________________________
    But again, why wouldn’t he talk to the police if he had nothing to hide? Can’t answer the question huh?

  121. Deb says: May 5, 2010 12:41 PM

    @Mooch …
    I don’t know … but it’s a blessing :-)
    @Bdrunk …
    If you’d been hit by a car, suffered a concussion, self-medicated with 15 Percocet, a bottle of Tequila, AND the worm plus a bowl of extra-strength habaneros and were kicking back outside some little Mexican cantina with a 110-degree sun beating down on your noggin for 9 hours because you lost your ballcap in the accident, you’d STILL have greater possession of your faculties than badthings. That’s because you started as an adult with so many more brain cells than that baby pissant possesses that you’d have to leach 17,463,592 just to be where he is now.
    That’s why no matter how many times you answer the same irrelevant question, Beavis will just ask it again and again. He has the maturity of a four-year-old, the attention span of a housefly, and the intellectual capacity of a fork, and the soul of an empty milk carton. Not worth any of our keystrokes.

  122. GirthyOne says: May 5, 2010 4:23 PM

    You tell them Deb. I am sick of hateful people who say whatever they want and everyone who disagrees is either afraid to contradict them or figures that nobody will believe the crud they write. This kind of crap is on our TVs, in our newspapers, clearly on blogs and discussed at work.
    If you don’t know what you are talking about and haven’t formulated your opinion based on facts that you researched by yourself, you shouldn’t have an opinion. Stop repeating everything you hear and read like it’s true. How many times will you believe any bullshit simply because you’re too lazy to find out for yourself.
    Amazingly, you probably think politicians are telling you the truth. Get off your lazy dead assess and get informed. If you don’t, then do the rest of us a favor and remain silent.

  123. ECS - Brougham Boys 74 says: May 6, 2010 2:10 AM

    @GirthyOne:
    I totally agreed with you until I realized you were actually defending a rapist. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and read the police evidence. Any adult capable of reading can look at those reports and deduce only one thing.
    Roethlisberger got away with rape.

  124. Bdrunk says: May 6, 2010 10:17 AM

    badthings says:
    May 5, 2010 11:34 AM
    “But again, why wouldn’t he talk to the police if he had nothing to hide? Can’t answer the question huh?”
    ————————
    Sorry troll, I figured your game out.
    @Deb: Don’t pay this kid any mind, he’s not even a good troll if I can pick him out of this lineup. His exchange with Frank Burns on Wednesday in the SI article thread shows the same M.O. Just a lot of baiting, then when he gets bored he tells the target to “step back”, or in Franks case it was “switch to decaf”. Most often he just hangs on the nutsacks of more accomplished griefers.
    I’ll get this over to the other thread for Frank’s FYI.

  125. Bdrunk says: May 6, 2010 10:24 AM

    Nevermind about that other thread…Reba has sufficiently killed it for us.

  126. Bdrunk says: May 6, 2010 10:36 AM

    ECS – Brougham Boys 74 says:
    May 6, 2010 2:10 AM
    “Roethlisberger got away with rape.”
    —————————–
    He was totally entitled to that sweet young thang. He’s white, rich, and better yet, a Steeler. Sucks being one of the ordinaries don’t it :-(

  127. Moozie says: May 6, 2010 11:46 AM

    The Steelers don’t have cheerleaders because it’s impossible to find a woman in Pittsburgh under 250lbs.

  128. Deb says: May 6, 2010 11:58 AM

    @Bdrunk …
    Yes, I’m a glutton for punishment. Keep expecting boys to be men. It’s hard to wrap my head around how people could keep turning something so serious into a catcall. They don’t care about evidence; only about ragging Steeler fans. You rag opposing fans when their QB throws a duck or four INTs, not when he tears an ACL or someone falsely cries rape. Nothing funny about rape.
    Speaking of boys who can’t be men …
    @ECS – Brougham Boys 74 …
    Nevada texted a friend AFTER the “rape” and said she was anxious to see Ben again. Her text messages have been submitted to the court.
    Georgia told police Ben vaginally raped her. The vaginal exam said she didn’t have intercourse. Real victims aren’t confused about where the rapist stuck his penis.
    Ben = jackass
    Nevada = jackass
    Georgia = jackass
    ECS = jackass
    You’d fit right in.

  129. badthings says: May 7, 2010 2:32 PM

    Bdrunk says: May 6, 2010 10:17 AM
    badthings says:
    May 5, 2010 11:34 AM
    “But again, why wouldn’t he talk to the police if he had nothing to hide? Can’t answer the question huh?”
    ————————
    Sorry troll, I figured your game out.
    ______________________________________
    Right…….But you won’t answer the question…..I think I have figured your game out dumbass

  130. TL says: May 9, 2010 9:24 PM

    Bdrunk says:
    May 6, 2010 10:36 AM
    He was totally entitled to that sweet young thang. He’s white, rich, and better yet, a Steeler. Sucks being one of the ordinaries don’t it :-(
    ================================
    I see Deb uses two handles

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