Comments on: Bringing in Pacman was "hardly unanimous" decision

By: SonsCompass

SonsCompass — Mon, 10 May 2010 19:26:52 +0000

@ whodey1982
With the season fast approaching and still no contract for Marv, I also think the writing is on the wall. I really would like to see Zim stay with what he has proven he’s good at. The chin or chuckie would be nice, but I don’t see MB giving up the POWER they would want. Also, I agree with Deb. I like seeing the whole division competitive. Even the Steelers.

By: whatthehellisgoingonoutthere

whatthehellisgoingonoutthere — Mon, 10 May 2010 16:57:35 +0000

If this guy can play anywhere near his talent level the Bengals will have the best trio of CBs in the NFL
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When has he ever even played at 50% of his talent level? Hell, even with Dallas he was terrible as a CB. He just happened to at least be a serviceable punt returner.

By: Deb

Deb — Mon, 10 May 2010 15:02:42 +0000

@whodey1982 …
Cowher won’t coach in the AFC North. I think he wants the NFC and is waiting for the Giants or Panthers. Gruden might be interested though. He seems anxious to get back into coaching and he’d give you that offensive mind. But he’d want big bucks. The combination of Gruden (if Brown were willing to pay his price) and Zimmer might be interesting. But the players in Tampa didn’t love Gruden, so it might create some friction. And Gruden would probably want to bring in his own people. Given how beautifully your defense performed last year, that would be a shame.

By: whodey1982

whodey1982 — Mon, 10 May 2010 14:13:04 +0000

SonsCompass: I’m VERY VERY happy someone sees this the same as I do. I have been saying exactly what you’re saying since I caught wind of a second tryout…that if we sign him, Marvin’s gone. I firmly believe he is, the difference is, I don’t know who we get next. Does Zim get promoted? Do they go after one of the free agent studs like Cower or Gruden (probably too cheap to, but fun to think about)? Who knows, but there is one thing I disagree with you on, and that’s your comparison to Lebeau. It’s far too soon to speculate like that. Marvin was an ELITE DC, and an average-good HC. Zimmer’s players LOVE him, and they’ll play for him. We need a bright offensive mind somewhere to solidify this team, but that may require getting rid of Brat.
Good thoughts though…

By: Deb

Deb — Mon, 10 May 2010 11:56:20 +0000

@CurseofBoJackson …
Until coming to PFT last year, I really didn’t know much about the internal politics of the Bengals. From the comments, I gather most fans dislike Brown. Still can’t imagine why he’d overrule Marv for Jones. Your corner tandem is arguably the best in the league. If you want depth, better to develop young talent without the baggage.
SonsCompass’s comment was interesting about Brown perhaps wanting to dump Marv and promote Zimmer. No way to know how Zimmer would do until he tries, but SonsCompass is right about LeBeau: brilliant defensive mind but not HC material.
Actually, I’d prefer the Bengals remain competitive. Was raised on Alabama football so I’m one of those annoying people who thinks the SEC rules. I want our division to be the best … and us to earn our place as best of the best

By: HamBurghlar

HamBurghlar — Mon, 10 May 2010 09:27:26 +0000

Funny watching Bungles fans justify their need to continuously sign players with little or no moral character… But hey, they’re doing a TON to right the ship from being the team in the NFL with the most criminals, right?
Bunch of hypocrites.. Did someone say something about a pot and kettle?

By: theroc5156

theroc5156 — Mon, 10 May 2010 09:02:36 +0000

Funny watching Steeler fans mock the Bengals for having a bunch of thugs on their team.
Pot meet Kettle

By: Chizzle

Chizzle — Mon, 10 May 2010 08:34:42 +0000

He’ll fit right in with his new teamates and the convict colors. Somebody needs to tell Mike Brown “The Longest Yard” was only a movie.

By: Other Bears

Other Bears — Mon, 10 May 2010 08:32:22 +0000

I thought his name was “Adam.”

By: David56

David56 — Mon, 10 May 2010 08:16:16 +0000

No need to go over all of Pacman’s sins. The fact that some guy will sit in a wheel chair for the rest of his life as a result of Jones’ stupidity alone is enough.
Ray Lewis, once seriously implemented in a double-murder, is having a street named after him in Baltimore.
While I can’t remember his name a draftee dropped a ton of places because he decided to spend a year at Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, and plans to become a neuro-surgeon after hs playing days are over.
Obviously this is a man of great integrity and intelligence. Now because of the Rhodes Scholarship he took advantage of, as anyone with half-a-brain would have done(this scholarship isn’t just given out like the toy in a box of Cracker Jacks), coaches questioned his commitment to pro-football. I also read that he is one heck of a good player, too.
Who needs integrity or intelligence when you have the likes of Pacman Jones and Ray Lewis(to name just two) out there playing the roles of thug and thugette?

By: SonsCompass

SonsCompass — Mon, 10 May 2010 01:43:46 +0000

@ Deb and Blueridge624
Marv didn’t wan’t Chris Henry back because of all the issues. Why would he want someone even worse? Mike Brown overruled him then and (I think) now. Marv hinted in february that power over personel decisions was the factor holding up contract talks. Mike Brown still makes some decisions. This one reaks of him.

By: JoeSchmoe

JoeSchmoe — Mon, 10 May 2010 00:24:08 +0000

Morgan Trent owns the 3rd CB role. He was a rookie last year and rookies get taught lessons from time to time, but even considering the Raider game, Trent was a great rookie nickel CB.
Pacman doesn’t make the top 4 CB’s in Cincy short of an injury to J-Jo, Hall, Trent or Ghee. He might compete for a FS position otherwise, but that’s going to be a tough spot to crack as well.
Good luck Pacman! (Oh and if Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis chat every single day as they say they do, there’s no way that Marvin was the dissenter in this deal. I would bet if it was a FO person, it was Katie Blackburn, or if it was a coach, it was Zimmer or Coyle. Way to have vague info Team Florio!)

By: Laxer37

Laxer37 — Mon, 10 May 2010 00:14:58 +0000

The Bengals front office only consists of about five people, and three of them are related.
Can’t they all get on the same page?

By: 513bengalhomer

513bengalhomer — Sun, 09 May 2010 23:47:22 +0000

The Bengals lost to the Raiders because of Morgan Trent. If Pac-Man can cover just a little The Bengals win a couple of extra games.

By: Bungles&Squeelers

Bungles&Squeelers — Sun, 09 May 2010 23:34:58 +0000

@ BeaverThomas
You’re right I think he might get cut just based on the depth at the position. You forgot Morgan Trent in that list aswell, gonna be pretty hard for Pacman to solidify anything more than Nickel at this point. Especially given that the Bengals probably have the second best CB duo behind Revis and Cromartie. But if he plays well you never know with JJo and Leon becoming FA
Very low risk for the Bengals much like LJ last yr

By: tinopuno

tinopuno — Sun, 09 May 2010 23:31:07 +0000

# chemicalxv says: May 9, 2010 5:33 PM
If this guy can play anywhere near his talent level the Bengals will have the best trio of CBs in the NFL
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Ah, I see! Cincy must have 3 OTHER excellent Corners!
You apparently didn’t have the opportunity to see this clown running around aimlessly in the Dallas secondary. The term “Brownian motion’ comes to mind.

By: Deb

Deb — Sun, 09 May 2010 22:44:14 +0000

@SonsCompass …
I assumed they wouldn’t have signed Pacman unless Marv thought he could work with him. What makes you think Marv was one of those opposed to the deal? Why would Brown be so in favor of bringing in Jones? Even if he’s conquered his personal issues, he hasn’t been very effective at corner, he’s not a good return guy, and he hasn’t played since 2008. The one upside is that he’s only 27 and has spent half his career on the bench, so if he gets serious about his work ethic, he should have something extra in the tank. But the Bengals’ secondary was terrific last year, so they don’t really need him. It’s fine to give him another chance, but it seems like the potential for problems outweighs the possible benefits.

By: FumbleNuts

FumbleNuts — Sun, 09 May 2010 22:14:35 +0000

It would be really surprising to see him regain his past form.

By: Jungle Juice

Jungle Juice — Sun, 09 May 2010 21:43:09 +0000

@ myeaglescantwin
Maybe it’s YOU who doesn’t watch football beacause many sportswriters and commentators have called Joseph and Hall one of the best if not THE best CB tandem in the league.

By: BenInAZ

BenInAZ — Sun, 09 May 2010 21:21:05 +0000

Hey AJ from the ‘burgh….
you say “It’s just a matter of time before he messes up…a zebra doesn’t change…I mean a bengal doesn’t change change his stripes.”
Still a little sore from that sweeping the Bengals gave you last season?

By: bengals4real

bengals4real — Sun, 09 May 2010 20:56:33 +0000

Jimmy b the bengals are not the official joke of the nfl They are a bad ass team on the rise,you have them confused with the browns or raiders.

By: habibfromnewdehli

habibfromnewdehli — Sun, 09 May 2010 20:24:19 +0000

“If nothing else, the Bengals are getting Jones with little relatively risk. ”
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Umm, WHAT?
Were you trying to say:
“relatively little risk?”
or “little relative risk?”
I could assume, but I refuse to give you that much credit.

By: FireJerryJones

FireJerryJones — Sun, 09 May 2010 20:23:51 +0000

Bengals ownership is a joke.

By: AJ from the 'burgh

AJ from the 'burgh — Sun, 09 May 2010 19:27:55 +0000

This is a purrrrrr-fect match for Rat-man Jones….he’ll look good in Tiger Stripes…or are those Prison Stripes?
It’s just a matter of time before he messes up…a zebra doesn’t change…I mean a bengal doesn’t change change his stripes.

By: football genius

football genius — Sun, 09 May 2010 19:26:00 +0000

does anyone wonder why Cincy will continue to be seen as a thug team with a loser coach?

By: SFTitan

SFTitan — Sun, 09 May 2010 19:13:33 +0000

To use a WAY overused phrase,
stay classy Cincy fan
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To use a WAY overused phrase “stay classy”… lol, this must be a joke

By: Vet735

Vet735 — Sun, 09 May 2010 18:56:40 +0000

The problem is if Brown dies his daughter just take over. Disaster continues ad infinitum.

By: jimmy_b

jimmy_b — Sun, 09 May 2010 18:31:59 +0000

And Bengals fans wonder why their team is the official joke of the NFL.
As long as Mike Brown owns the Bengals they cannot be taken as a serious organization.

By: myeaglescantwin

myeaglescantwin — Sun, 09 May 2010 18:30:27 +0000

Chemical ??
really? best CBs in the game? Do you watch football?
what about them jets

By: SonsCompass

SonsCompass — Sun, 09 May 2010 18:26:54 +0000

If anybody wants to discuss this seriously…
I think this is the end of the Marvin Lewis era.
Marv hinted back in february that he wanted more control before he would re-sign. He did not approve of re-signing Henry, (rip) and I’m SURE he didn’t sign off on this. So prepare for one last season of Marvin then its back to 3-13. My guess is he will be replaced by Zimmer… and I’m sure plenty of fans will LOVE that. But, I think he would be like Dick LeBeau. Awesome D coord, HORRIBLE HC. Thoughts??