Comments on: Backlash against AP voters who supported Brian Cushing is building

By: FreeAgentPro

FreeAgentPro — Sat, 15 May 2010 22:53:56 +0000

By winning the award AGAIN, it opened up a hornets nest of scrutiny that I am sure Cushing regrets. His attorney and Tom Condon have just made things worse with their statements. Cushing is in such a fixhole now that I don’t think he will come out until spring.

By: dsheik

dsheik — Sat, 15 May 2010 22:06:00 +0000

who gives a fuk. Im glad he won the award again just to piss off the whiners that constantly want to bitch about something.
This type of stuff is not going away. So get used to it.

By: packers4life

packers4life — Fri, 14 May 2010 18:16:22 +0000

The NFL rule clearly states that any player caught with a banned substance cannot win any awards. With that said, Cushing should of been stripped of the award and not be eligible to retain it.
Instead, I thought the AP should of just given it to the player with the second most votes which in this case was Jairus Byrd. For some stupid reason though, Cushing somehow was still able to win the award.

By: NorthDolphan

NorthDolphan — Fri, 14 May 2010 15:56:44 +0000

The real crime is how stupid Cushing is. What a load of complete BS comming out of his mouthing breathing yap yesterday. I guess an USC education and 1/2 a year to make up a story isn’t enough. Complete douche bag.

By: this class sucks

this class sucks — Fri, 14 May 2010 12:55:39 +0000

@edgy1957
“It wasn’t necessarily legal in the NFL…just no…rules against it.”
Did you really just say those words?

By: getreal

getreal — Fri, 14 May 2010 07:58:27 +0000

realitypolice
In reply to your comment, since apparently you assume and stereotype more than you should…I thought I would clear things up for you since you obviously need help.
Just because I was deep in the football world it doesn’t meant that’s what I’m about. I actually was an acdemic all american, am only 26 but making right at 6 figures, am a CPA and am about to finish my law degree. that might suprise you, but I do realize there is more to life than football or sports, and I’m very much “moved on” as you put it. If you took my story as some ignorant jock whose life was incomplete then you misread it. Sorry. Not it at all. Football is no bigger to me an my life now than it is to you and yours. However, that doesn’t change the visibility of it.
We aren’t typing back and forth about Wal-Mart, shoes, lunch boxes, or cereals here…we are all talking about sports bc sports are visible, paid attention to, and influence life in our society…for some reason…on a dramatic level in this country…at least for some ‘tards who are impressionable and didn’t have better parental guidance.
I think you are wrong. I think more poeple would know those fact and things more than you are giving credit for. But my point is and was this isn’t just a sports thing…a football…or a roid issue…the attitudes of those people saying who cars are missing a glaring point that is rippling through our society…. the point is it is wrong, the point is its not right or fair, and the point is its affecting others who more clearly deserve it and if its a big enough deal to have a rule against then it should be big enough to be stood up for and defended. Duh. Sorry you were caught up in preaching to an ex jock that you didn’t realize it was an actual smart successful person who just cares more about morals and values than entertainment from “gladiators” as those ‘tards put it.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Fri, 14 May 2010 00:33:28 +0000

Deb, Deb, Deb. I see that it’s real easy for you to divert this from the facts because that’s what you keep trying to do with every argument. Ok, let’s FORGET baseball (even though in the past, you’ve moved the arguments BACK to the other subject just to try to divert attention. Let’s see you try to avoid that this time) and concentrate of FOOTBALL: whether they were ALL using then is a BS argument, especially since they’re STILL all using it now. It’s either cheating THEN and NOW or it’s NOT. The fact is that every time that you Steeler fans are reminded of that fact, the first words out of your mouth are “Well, it wasn’t illegal back then” and that’s BS.
Oh and I said STEELER FANS and I didn’t point to you specifically when it came to Spygate but there ARE an awful lot of Steeler fans that do point a finger at the Pats when they’re reminded that THEIR dynasty is tainted as well.

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 13 May 2010 23:52:54 +0000

@edgy1957
As noted, I’ve NEVER said the Patriots dynasty is dirty or made idiotic comments about asterisks. They EARNED their championships, and though I don’t like them, I respect them. But the Steelers dynasty wins weren’t tainted–and you know it. A couple of our offensive players used steroids when they were not banned and were in common use throughout the league. That means all teams were on equal footing, so if our Super Bowls were tainted, so were Dallas’s wins in SBVI and XII. Let’s call Peter Gent and ask about steroid use among Landry’s Cowboys.
I’m not responsible for every stupid thing posted on PFT by a Steelers fan. But you ARE responsible for YOUR comments. And some you’ve made to me in the guise of “objective” analysis have been unconscionable. Your earlier attack on me about Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire was sheer lunacy. I don’t know much more about them than their names and have certainly never commented on them. You need to step back and do some soul-searching. I love football, and I love my team. They’ve given me something positive to focus on through three cancer battles, more than two dozen surgeries, plus a lot of other hard times. But it is just a game. SBXXX broke my heart, but at least I handled it with class and dignity rather than whining about bad calls, tainted championships, the evils of all the players, and so on. Sometimes as a grownup, you just have to take life’s lumps.
Since you’ve already demonstrated little capacity for introspection, I’m sure you’ll respond with more viciousness. How do you put it–you’ll stop being gentle with me? That’s your prerogative … but I’m finished with this thread and this nonsense.

By: sukit

sukit — Thu, 13 May 2010 23:03:01 +0000

Anybody that voted for Cushing again is a massive d-bag. They are most likely the result of some incestuous rape.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 13 May 2010 22:58:57 +0000

stillworker says:
You cannot be this dumb. It wasn’t necessarily legal in the NFL, just no testing or rules against it in the ’70s!!………wtf are you talking about the
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Typical Steelers’ APOLOGIST. Listen Forest Stump, your OWN WORDS say “Dumass……….roids weren’t illegal in the ’70s” which means that in YOUR OWN WORDS, you think that it was — gasp — LEGAL.
The fact of the matter is that you morons continue to make excuses for their use by the Steelers while trying to piss on the Patriots for Spygate when your dynasty is just as dirty. You can try to rationalize your sins as much as anyone but you’re only showing what a bunch of retarded hypocrites you are.

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 13 May 2010 22:39:40 +0000

@edgy1957 …
I have no idea why you are screaming at me about baseball players, except that you apparently need no excuse to scream about the Steelers. You have a problem. It’s YOUR problem.
As I said, this is a football blog and I know NOTHING and CARE LESS about baseball. I have said NOTHING about baseball so I don’t know how I could be FOS on the subject. I have NEVER whined about Spygate. I agree with Bill Cowher on that subject. And your noting that NFL players who DID NOT play for the Steelers and used steroids prior to the ban are in the HOF simply validates the ONLY point I made–which is that steroids were used by players on every team prior to the ban, which made for an even playing field. Therefore, the whiners should stop whining about the Steelers of the 70s.
Now PLEASE leave me alone.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 13 May 2010 21:24:03 +0000

Deb:
As to the ridiculous comment about the Steelers and Pirates: I have no idea what substances were allowed by MLB in the 1970s. It’s not relevant to the NFL, I’m not a baseball fan, and this isn’t a baseball blog
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You’re FOS. Steroids were NEVER banned during Mark McGwire’s career and guess what – it’s the number one reason why guys have said that they won’t vote for him AND they weren’t banned for most of Barry Bonds’ career and you guessed it, he won’t get the votes because of them.
My point WASN’T that it was about baseball but you HYPOCRITES in Pittsburgh are willing to continue to make excuses for your players when it comes to breaking the rules: “Oh, everyone did them. It wasn’t illegal then. It was ONLY the offensive linemen. Blah, blah, blah, blah.” What makes cheating more acceptable THEN, the fact that it was YOUR Steelers or that ONLY the offensive linemen took them (What a load of HS that is, Deb). Why is it that you guys in Pittsburgh have branded Bonds and Bonilla as cheats but not your precious Steelers?
I think that it’s laughable to see Steeler fans whine about the Patriots and Spygate and YET, they make excuses about their dynasty when they would have had a far bigger advantage with steroids than the Patriots would have had with a camera.
BTW, the first use of steroids by a pro football team was when the AFL’s Chargers starting using then in 1963 and one of the first to use them, Ron Mix, is now in the NFL HOF.

By: stillworker

stillworker — Thu, 13 May 2010 21:23:12 +0000

edgy1957 says:
May 13, 2010 4:11 PM
“To all the Steelers fans who are saying that steroids weren’t illegal in the ’70s: why is it that they were legal for the Steelers BUT illegal for the Pirates? I say this because the prevailing attitude in Pittsburgh changes when you’re talking about which team took them….”
You cannot be this dumb. It wasn’t necessarily legal in the NFL, just no testing or rules against it in the ’70s!!………wtf are you talking about the Pirates for? Steroids were cool in MLB in the ’70s also.
Hard to believe you were the fastest sperm.

By: RedMan

RedMan — Thu, 13 May 2010 21:16:29 +0000

# Abe the Hoosier says: May 13, 2010 12:29 PM
“….despite clear evidence he was using a banned substance that is the lemon juice to the hypodermic tequila shot…”
Looks like someone has never taken a shot of tequila. Either that, or there’s different procedure when taking your tequila by hypodermic needle.
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Actually the metaphor is right on the money. You can come off a steroid cycle without HCG, and you can have a tequila shot without lemon, but each taken at the appropriate time makes the other way better.

By: RedMan

RedMan — Thu, 13 May 2010 21:12:01 +0000

# cunn9305 says: May 13, 2010 12:17 PM
Maybe it’s because the those guys realize that we don’t live in a fairy tale world. A good portion of those guys are taking something … he just got caught. Get off the high horse dude. The NFL is for gladiators and anything goes.
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What a moronic statement. Do yourself a favor and turn your brain on once in a while.
The NFL has rules – “anything” does not go.
Cheats should be banned.

By: RedMan

RedMan — Thu, 13 May 2010 21:08:15 +0000

# Bullet says: May 13, 2010 12:07 PM
All I hear is a buncha f’n whining!!! Who cares what he took? Football is entertainment. Let them all take steroids or PED’s or whatever!!!! Ya’ll are all idiots if you think no one else in the NFL isn’t roidin. If it’s better entainment, who gives a f**k!!! I’m glad Cushing kept his award. You know what, I’m even more glad and proud that Cushing is on my team… the TEXANS!!!
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And you wonder why the world thinks Muricans is dumb…
I guess, you can catch a guy for taking PED’s but you can’t fix stupid.

By: buffaloben77

buffaloben77 — Thu, 13 May 2010 21:06:24 +0000

has the NFL jumped the shark? we have a bunch of D-bag, pedophile, roid freak players… guys getting serious heads injuries, not to mention an inability to walk about years of punishment… then throw in the Jets and Giants not selling out, Vikings cant get a new stadium, Jags attendance is a joke, Bills having to play in a third world country, throw in the risk of a strike/lockout….. me thinks the good times of the NFL have passed.

By: obscenery

obscenery — Thu, 13 May 2010 20:40:15 +0000

@realitypolice
In reality nobody is asking these entertainers to be role models. It’s the reality of their position in life. They have coveted talents and lifestyles, which mom and dad don’t have.
Nobody is debating that parenting is hugely important, though its importance doesn’t excuse people with celebrity of the responsibility of said celebrity status.
Britney Spears had her kids taken away from her.

By: tryagain

tryagain — Thu, 13 May 2010 19:49:45 +0000

@ Deb- I hear ya but I still don’t agree with the vote. If things are ever going to change, maybe someone has to be the scapegoat. I’m not naive enough to think he’s the only one using or that things will actually change but that still doesn’t make it right so I don’t think he should be awarded.

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 13 May 2010 19:05:56 +0000

I don’t advocate use of anabolic steroids. They’re extremely dangerous, and there’s no valid medical reason Cushing would have taken them. But players should be able to use corticosteroids UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION to treat injuries. Cortiosteroids will not produce bulk or increase strength.
I wish SOMEONE (Florio??) would clarify whether ALL steroids are on the banned substance list and whether it’s possible to distinguish anabolic steroids from corticosteroids in a drug test. If Cushing took anabolic steroids, then, yes, he should be stripped of the D-ROY. If he took corticosteroids, NO.
As to the ridiculous comment about the Steelers and Pirates: I have no idea what substances were allowed by MLB in the 1970s. It’s not relevant to the NFL, I’m not a baseball fan, and this isn’t a baseball blog.
The use of performance-enhancing substances in the NFL began around the late 1960s. A couple of the Steelers offensive linemen used them; the defensive players did not. They were “legal” then because they weren’t banned and were available to everyone–and thanks to Lyle Alzado, it’s well-known that players from every team used them. That creates an EVEN PLAYING FIELD. Widespread steroid use wasn’t secret. But it was two decades before the league became invested in stopping it … again thanks to Lyle Alzado and his campaign to ban them. No player should die like that for the game.

By: jibfest

jibfest — Thu, 13 May 2010 19:03:05 +0000

Granadafan, preach brother. Props to Florio too, Im a big fan of PFT.

By: jibfest

jibfest — Thu, 13 May 2010 18:56:11 +0000

Bullet says:
May 13, 2010 12:07 PM
All I hear is a buncha f’n whining!!! Who cares what he took? Football is entertainment. Let them all take steroids or PED’s or whatever!!!! Ya’ll are all idiots if you think no one else in the NFL isn’t roidin. If it’s better entainment, who gives a f**k!!! I’m glad Cushing kept his award. You know what, I’m even more glad and proud that Cushing is on my team… the TEXANS!!!
@Bullet. I understand your team hasn’t been around long and has had even less success. You don’t care about the itegrity of the game I take it. I do and cheating is cheating. It is the National Football League, not WWE. The entertainment should be watching the best players compete. I’m not nieve that others cheat, but until their name shows up we can’t assume. We can however say without a doubt that Brian Cushing used some sort of steroid and got caught using the stuff you use afterwards.

By: jibfest

jibfest — Thu, 13 May 2010 18:50:43 +0000

The AP writers are a disgrace. It is almost like they voted for him again just to show everyone they weren’t wrong the first time. Total disgrace.

By: stnmmc

stnmmc — Thu, 13 May 2010 16:56:50 +0000

@getreal says: May 13, 2010 3:32 PM
Well said. As a coach I care about the integrity of sport and what role sport plays in shaping society. Maybe the most concise (read coherent) comment ever to grace PFT.

By: granadafan

granadafan — Thu, 13 May 2010 16:56:25 +0000

Whatever comes out of this, Cushing’s repuation is tainted forever. It was damned obvious to college football fans on the West coast that Cush was roided up and now the rest of the country knows what a cheater he is.
Those of you who say that steroids aren’t a big deal are not true football fans. If you’re just after entertainment, then fine, stop talking to the serious fans who care about the sport we’ve played, loved, and watched for years. The vast majority of REAL sports fans believe in hard work, sportsmanship, integrity, and HONESTY. Cheaters and cheater apologists can just leave and play/watch pro “wrestling”.
The cheater apologists are symptomatic of what’s wrong with this country. They’re looking for the quick fix in the form of medications instead of actual hard work. Lazy bast@rds.

By: stnmmc

stnmmc — Thu, 13 May 2010 16:50:38 +0000

@getreal says: May 13, 2010 3:32 PM
Well said.

By: stnmmc

stnmmc — Thu, 13 May 2010 16:25:16 +0000

“…because it was 18 dummies that are supposed to be highly education…”
This is why I love the internet.
@Jobin
You mean to say that is why this happens in every major American sport. PED’s are not an issue in most major sport leagues around the world. This includes such high contact sports as rugby and aussie rules football. I can’t say for a fact, simply because I have no freaking clue, but I would imagine that use would be more prevalent in individual sports, where a tenth of a second could be the difference.

By: getreal

getreal — Thu, 13 May 2010 16:18:48 +0000

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 13 May 2010 16:11:44 +0000

To all the Steelers fans who are saying that steroids weren’t illegal in the ’70s: why is it that they were legal for the Steelers BUT illegal for the Pirates? I say this because the prevailing attitude in Pittsburgh changes when you’re talking about which team took them….

By: realitypolice

realitypolice — Thu, 13 May 2010 16:01:27 +0000

getreal says:
Since when as a society did we collectively stop caring about right and wrong. Since when is fairness and justice not a big deal anymore. Are some of you people really serious?
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Saying that not wanting to make a big deal out of this means that society has stopped caring about right and wrong is a little dramatic. Maybe some of us apply the concepts of fairness and justice on a somewhat larger scale than a football game.
I don’t know exactly where you live. But the next time you are walking down a crowded city street, look around you. Chances are that half the people you see couldn’t even tell you who won the super bowl last year, and 90% of them couldn’t pick Brian Cushing out of a lineup. I know you come from a world where football is all important, but now that your career is over, maybe you could expand your horizons a little.