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Pat White, Patrick Turner intriguing names on Dolphins roster bubble

Like new cars, the value of an NFL draft pick can depreciate rather quickly.

A good example is taking place in Miami, where 2009 second-round pick Pat White and ’09 third-round wide receiver Patrick Turner may be fighting just to make the team this summer.

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel breaks down 15 players on the Dolphins roster bubble.  The relative quality of the names is a reminder why Miami should be seen as near equal odds to win the AFC East as the Jets and Patriots.  (Not sure Florio agrees with me here.  But he probably won’t read this anyway.)

In White’s case, there are indications he won’t want to move to wide receiver.  Will Miami have enough room to carry him as a fourth quarterback?

Turner knows how crowded the wideout group is.  Last year’s fourth-round pick Brian Hartline is a potential starter, but Turner is no higher than fifth on the depth chart. 

We suspect both guys will make the team, even if their play doesn’t improve.  They are unlikely to clear waivers and make it to the practice squad. 

Teams traditionally don’t like to admit a mistake on players with a high sticker price until they absolutely have to.

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47 Responses to “Pat White, Patrick Turner intriguing names on Dolphins roster bubble”
  1. ItalienArmyGuy says: May 14, 2010 1:06 PM

    The only way that the Dolphins will be the “equals” of the Patriots is if they cheat by taping playcalling from the sideline instead of from the stands.

  2. BenRapistberger says: May 14, 2010 1:08 PM

    the Pats admitted the Kevin O’Connell mistake pretty quickly and moved on.

  3. hnirobert says: May 14, 2010 1:09 PM

    Pat White’s a lost cause. I’m really upset that they took him to “expand” the Wildcat. He’s a complete waste of a pick.
    While odds are that Turner is also going to be a bust given USC’s inability to produce quality wide outs (for the most part, sorry Steve Smith), he’s still too good a physical specimen to give up on. Hopefully he can learn from Brandon Marshall.

  4. zilla1126 says: May 14, 2010 1:09 PM

    Pat White is going to be a bust. He is quick, but not quick enough to offset his complete lack of power. He is Reggie Bush without the burst.

  5. Lex Luger says: May 14, 2010 1:10 PM

    Short guy with no arm, and only a little bit of speed, sounds like a 2nd round pick to me.
    orrrrrrrrrrrrr
    maybe Bill Parcels ability to draft is very overrated

  6. Lex Luger says: May 14, 2010 1:11 PM

    If Pat white was a second round pick, Jared Zabransky should of been the first person taken in the draft, and Bruce Gradkowski should of gone number 2 overall.

  7. ItalianArmyGuy says: May 14, 2010 1:15 PM

    ItalienArmyGuy says: May 14, 2010 1:06 PM
    The only way that the Dolphins will be the “equals” of the Patriots is if they cheat by taping playcalling from the sideline instead of from the stands.
    =================
    I’ve got another clone now? One with an “e” and one with a “.”??
    Well, nice job moron – I would have said much the same thing myself. Except stop calling them the “Patriots” – they are Patsies, dick wad

  8. august says: May 14, 2010 1:19 PM

    The Jets are not as good as the Patriots. The Dolphins might be nearly as good, but not the Jets. They were lucky, but never good.

  9. Steelerbroad says: May 14, 2010 1:23 PM

    I agree with Lex…..Parcells is very overated. Who has he picked since he’s been in Miami that really stands out? Everybody is a “potential” star?? Hope Marshall can rub off on some of their “potentials”.

  10. Henchman #24 says: May 14, 2010 1:25 PM

    Lex Luger,
    It’s “should’ve,” not “should of.” “Should’ve,” as in, “should have.”

  11. cmich06 says: May 14, 2010 1:27 PM

    Thou shalt not take the name of Pat White in vain

  12. hsf09 says: May 14, 2010 1:29 PM

    Intriguing names? Ehh I suppose so only because of where they were picked(2nd and 3rd round respectively) but really they’re no namers in the NFL. In college, you betchya they’re a “big time” or intriguing name.

  13. megatron81 says: May 14, 2010 1:35 PM

    About the only thing the Jets and Fish should be competing is who has a heart attack first, Parcells or Rex. Pats got this division in the bag.

  14. rhetoric says: May 14, 2010 1:39 PM

    Steelerbroad is right. Who the hell has Parcells picked since he arrived in Miami?! Jake Long, Chad Henne, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Phillip Merling? Who are these people? Ex-XFL’ers? Gawd!

  15. hnirobert says: May 14, 2010 1:41 PM

    # Steelerbroad says: May 14, 2010 1:23 PM
    I agree with Lex…..Parcells is very overated. Who has he picked since he’s been in Miami that really stands out? Everybody is a “potential” star?? Hope Marshall can rub off on some of their “potentials”.
    Heard of Jake Long? Two time Pro Bowler, one of the best LT’s in the league? His draft history with the Dolphins is 3 years, including this draft, so we only have 2 seasons worth of evaluating players.
    I believe it came out as well that Pat White was an Ireland pick and that he fought Parcells on getting that pick approved. I have a feeling Parcells called all the shots this year…

  16. KILLER FIN says: May 14, 2010 1:42 PM

    Patsies are NOT the same team of the glory days!!! Look for the Fins to take it this year!!! GO FINS!!!

  17. Abe Froeman says: May 14, 2010 1:47 PM

    You think you’re going to mention a WVU alum and not have Florio read it? Harumph……….

  18. MNRunLeft says: May 14, 2010 1:51 PM

    You mentioned Pat White in the title, Florio can’t help but read this post about the former pride and joy of WV.

  19. monet99 says: May 14, 2010 1:53 PM

    I usually respect Mike Mayock but he was dead wrong on Pat White. Mayock thought White could be a starting QB. NO way

  20. Ken West says: May 14, 2010 2:17 PM

    Pat White was not a bad pick period. And yes he is a bust.
    Miami fleeced the skins for a second round pick last year, had Sean Smith targeted for later in the round, and took a chance. It was a minor risk, and still walked out of the second round with a starting CB.
    The Big Tuna is still the best, look at the non bust picks.
    2008 Jake Long, Langford, Henne, Merling, Donald Thomas, Lex Hillard
    2009 Davis, Smith, Hartline
    Plus all the fools BP owned in trades WSH, SD, DEN. We traded JT for a second and got Marshall for 2 2’s, and that got reduced to 1 cause SD had to go reach on a RB. Oh and we also got a 6th for JT that we turned into a 5th and took R. Davis who looks legit.
    MIA is grossly under rated.

  21. overkil2 says: May 14, 2010 2:22 PM

    “monet99 says:
    May 14, 2010 1:53 PM
    I usually respect Mike Mayock but he was dead wrong on Pat White. Mayock thought White could be a starting QB. NO way

    Gotta agree on this. Let’s see if he can catch the ball as a receiver if not, then cut his ass and move on.

  22. grandavenue says: May 14, 2010 2:28 PM

    With the Athletic ability of Pat White as well as his arm strength, it’d be s foolish move to dump him this fast.
    Healthy Henne + Healthy Ronnie Brown + Marshall + ability to place Pat White in there at any time and completely stretch the defense = great options!

  23. Tr3pidation says: May 14, 2010 2:32 PM

    You Mention Jake Long or Chad Henne, yet Ryan Clady and Matt Ryan were both options he passed on, and they’re both far superior players.

  24. obscenery says: May 14, 2010 2:35 PM

    I hope Pat White the NFL Network’s Top 10 on the most versatile players in the game, in particular the part on Kordell Stewart and his insistence to play QB shortened his career.
    Pat White completed NO passes last season. If that’s not an indication that he doesn’t have what it takes to play QB in this league he suffered brain damage in that hit during the last game of the season.
    I’d love to be the surprise of the 2010 season by having a breakout year at WR. I’d hate to see him a even a single snap behind center (unless it happens after he’s scored 8 rec TDs already and it’s a single gimmick play).

  25. JoeSixPack says: May 14, 2010 2:41 PM

    # ItalianArmyGuy says:
    I’ve got another clone now?
    I get the sense they’re mocking you. I can’t imagine why.

  26. FrankyFiveFingers says: May 14, 2010 2:47 PM

    Parcells is overrated huh? hahaha, god there are some Tards on this site. How about Jake Long, you know, the only top pick to make the probowl his first year as long as I can remember. What about the 2 starting CBs he drafted last year? Kendall Langford, CHAD FOOKING HENNE, who had a better year (by all measures) than Dirty Sanchez.
    Lets go back even further…….Troy Brown in the 8th in 83. In 94 he drafted McGinest in the first. In 95 he drafted Ty Law, Ted Johnson and Curtis Martin in the first 3 rounds. In 96 he drafted Glenn, Bruschi and Malloy in the first 3 rounds.
    For the boys he drafted Witten, Ware, Spears, Barber, Ratliff……..
    You have got to be an absolute retard to call parcells overrated. Sure, no one hits on every pick, but his history of hitting on early AND late picks cannot be denied. And he is even better in Free Agency…………I cant believe I just wasted 10 minutes explaining this to morons.

  27. Ken West says: May 14, 2010 2:51 PM

    You Mention Jake Long or Chad Henne, yet Ryan Clady and Matt Ryan were both options he passed on, and they’re both far superior players.
    Jake Long is => R. Clady, the fact you state Clady is far superior shows that your football IQ is a single digit number.
    Also Henne is NOT that far behind M. Ryan. Ryan is better but not far superior.
    Plus they got both the LT and the QB not one or the other, so your logic also does not track. Basically, you come of like someone who knows little about the NFL. Or an average person.

  28. TheRealARod says: May 14, 2010 2:52 PM

    @ Tr3pidation
    You can’t really say that the Fins passed on Matt Ryan in favor of Chad Henne…Jake Long is solid as well as Ryan Clady but it isn’t like Ryan was still sitting on the board when the Dolphins took Henne

  29. FinFan says: May 14, 2010 2:53 PM

    The Splat White experiment was horrible and I wish we could get back all his worthless snaps and give them back to Henne and let Henne win the games!
    Torbor surprises me, and so does Allen.

  30. mwcarolina says: May 14, 2010 2:55 PM

    “You Mention Jake Long or Chad Henne, yet Ryan Clady and Matt Ryan were both options he passed on, and they’re both far superior players”
    Well, Clady and Ryan maybe better than Long and Henne, BUT Henne is a steal in round 2 and in round 1, while Clady is better, Long isn’t a slouch.

  31. finsbooyah says: May 14, 2010 2:58 PM

    Tr3pidation says:
    May 14, 2010 2:32 PM
    “You Mention Jake Long or Chad Henne, yet Ryan Clady and Matt Ryan were both options he passed on, and they’re both far superior players. ”
    That is assinine. Clady played pretty bad last year while Ryan fell into a Sophmore slump. There is only one LT in the NFL who you can argue is better than Jake Long and that is Joe Thomas. Long is DOMINATING. Also, Henne has tons of potential and has only played 12 full games in his career, compared to Ryan (32 regular season games) who wasn’t too impressive in 2010. Jury is still out on Ryan.
    Think before you speak moron.
    Every regime misses in the draft. But after 2 years Parcells has made Miami into contenders, while they were the laughinstock of the league before he arrived. And by week one of 2010 7-10 of the starters will be drafted by this regime since 2008. That’s impressive as hell, considering there is only 2 player remaining on the roster from Cam Cameron’s 2007 draft class. 1 is our PUNTER, and the other is the #3 NT on the dept chart (once Ferguson returns)

  32. finsbooyah says: May 14, 2010 3:00 PM

    …But yea, Pat White sucks

  33. Larry David says: May 14, 2010 3:14 PM

    Pat White might be one of the worst draft picks of all time. The guy looks like he’s gonna break in half every time he gets hit.

  34. Kamelion says: May 14, 2010 3:17 PM

    Uh, I don’t know where all this “Long is not the player Clady is” came from. It might have been true in 2008, but Long was much better than Clady in 2009.
    Joe Thomas and Jake Long are clearly the two elite left tackles in the NFL right now.

  35. kosarsmyidol says: May 14, 2010 3:20 PM

    Rosenthal: “(Not sure Florio agrees with me here. But he probably won’t read this anyway.)”
    Gregg, I doubt that Florio reads his own articles, given the typos. He’s like the JaMarcus Russell of the blogosphere – he received a big payday from NBC and has phoned it in ever since.

  36. Ken West says: May 14, 2010 3:24 PM

    If Tim Tebow spent more time on the PFT boards he may change his stance on abortion.
    A second round pick can’t be the worst draft pick of all time. It’s not that big of a deal, the risk was mitigated by having 2 2’s and the results on the Dolphins was minimal, you can’t say that about 100’s of other draft picks.

  37. RickS4o8 says: May 14, 2010 3:26 PM

    patrick turner sucks he sucked at usc and hes not going to be good in the nfl

  38. bronco nut says: May 14, 2010 3:52 PM

    I find it more than a little funny that Fin fans are looking to Marshall for guidance for their other receivers. The guy is not a great route runner and has average hands at best (nfl average hands does allow for a great catch every now and then). He is phenominal after he finally gets the ball, but that is him taking advantage of his talent; He won’t be able teach that to others. The whole time he was with the Broncos I kept wanting another receiver for him to learn from. He had Rod Smith for a little bit which helped Don’t misunderstand me, I believe he will be a huge benefit to the team, but to hear him being looked at as a teacher/role modle is quite hilarious.

  39. jibfest says: May 14, 2010 4:00 PM

    Pat White should either play receiver or go play baseball. I don’t think he can play receiver and withstand hits. We all saw that hit last year. Reminds me of a pharoah monch line, “frail like a fiend’s physique”.

  40. 305phinphan says: May 14, 2010 4:12 PM

    Please tell me that the above poster does not actually think Clady is better than Long. Long as been to a Probowl since he has been in the league and has only allowed 4 sacks in two years. I know Clady hasn’t performed up to those standards. Plus lets not forget the AFC East is 10x the division the AFC West is. Long goes up against far superior players than Clady does.
    As far as the Henne and Ryan debate. I hope Ryan is a better player. He was a top 3 overall pick in the draft while Henne was a bottom 2nd rounder. Henne finished with a 75.2 QB rating while Ryan finished with a 80.9 with way more talent surrounding him. 54 picks passed between when Ryan got drafted and when Henne got drafted that’s a big drop for only 5.7 difference in the rating don’t you think?
    Parcells and company have gutted the entire roster since they have gotten to Miami 3 years ago and they have built a young power house team that will compete for many years to come. Miami has the youngest offense in the NFL and middle of the pack defense. Dolphins will fly under the radar this year with all of the hype going to the Jets but let’s not forget the Phins beat the Jets twice last year and have added one of the best receivers and inside linebackers in the NFL. Dolphins will go 10-6 and will take the division. You all can take that to the bank!

  41. ampats says: May 14, 2010 4:25 PM

    ItalienArmyguy,
    I must say the original italian army guy is a clown and a jerk but it is kind of lame to mimick someones screen name.Especially someone who has never posted anything worth commenting on. and who is fixated on his favorite team consistantly losing playoff games to the NE Pats
    Don’t lower yourself to “its’ level which is also known as hell.

  42. Patssuckmyleftnut says: May 14, 2010 4:49 PM

    Sounds like to me alot of TURDS on this board especially CHEATER FANS are gettin’ a little concerned about those stupid Miami dolphins and their front office……… could it be they have the youngest team in the league????? Perhaps a up and coming team to be reckoned with???? As for the idiot that said Clady and Ryan are superior to Long and Henne, what Sunday ticket are you watching??? I just hate stupid people!!!!

  43. GangGreenCominAtYa says: May 14, 2010 4:52 PM

    Hopefully Turner becomes available, I’d love for the Jets to add another guy who’s played with Sanchez before. Turner is 2 inches taller than Braylon, definitely nowhere near as good as a route runner, but I bet he’s got better hands and with some time the potential to be a good receiver in the league. The Jets then get to keep Santonio after this year and let Braylon walk after the 2010 season :) …What do you other JETS fans think? I don’t really care what you Dolphins or Pats fans have to say.

  44. ItalianArmyGuy says: May 14, 2010 11:53 PM

    ampats says: May 14, 2010 4:25 PM
    ItalienArmyguy,
    I must say the original italian army guy is a clown and a jerk but it is kind of lame to mimick someones screen name.Especially someone who has never posted anything worth commenting on. and who is fixated on his favorite team consistantly losing playoff games to the NE Pats
    Don’t lower yourself to “its’ level which is also known as hell.
    ======================
    That’s pretty freakin’ mean. Who pooped in your ravioli tonight??

  45. chimi says: May 15, 2010 12:38 AM

    Man, I’m so pumped up for the D-Phinz this year!!!Finally, we got some star-power on the field! But ya, Pat White is probly gonna end up getting cut. Shame.

  46. dolphinfiegl99 says: May 15, 2010 2:11 AM

    Pat White And Patrick Turner Will Both Make The Team!
    Dolphins Move Pat White To WR!
    Also Use Pat White In The Wildcat!
    2010 Miami Dolphin Wide Receivers:
    1st-Brandon Marshall
    2nd-Terrell Owens
    3rd-Brian Hartline
    4th-Davone Bess
    5th-Pat White
    6th-Patrick Turner
    Practice Squad Wide Receivers:
    Taurus Johnson
    Ryan Grice-Mullen
    Julius Pruitt

  47. texasPHINSfan says: May 15, 2010 3:10 AM

    “Teams traditionally don’t like to admit a mistake on players with a high sticker price until they absolutely have to.”
    yeah, pretty much this.
    Pat White is like the Ray Lucas of this era. We need to get him off the team before Fiedler goes down and he ruins our superbowl year. Pat Turner couldn’t even make rotation with our crappy group of receivers. What does that tell you?
    I just wish the Phins would admit the mistake, cut those guys, and make room for the new guys

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