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Perhaps the real reason no one wants Mawae

Free agent center Kevin Mawae is confident that no teams are pursuing him because of his position as president of the NFL’s Players Association, going so far recently as to call it “collusion” in an ESPN interview.

The media perception is that Mawae, a 2009 Pro Bowler and 16-game starter on the line that blocked for 2,006-yard rusher Chris Johnson, can still play at a high level.  ESPN’s Mark Schlereth recently called Mawae “still one of the best five centers in the NFL.”
The website Profootballfocus.com respectfully disagrees.
According to PFF, Mawae was the worst run-blocking center in the league last season.  Pro Football Focus’ metrics consider Mawae still a mediocre pass protector, but such a liability for the ground game that, overall, he’s just the 30th-ranked veteran at his position.
He’s also 39 years old, an age at which decline is swift and typically unstoppable.
Sam Monson of Profootballfocus.com described how his website charted Mawae’s season on a snap-by-snap basis: 
“As for how we actually break down the film, we take several passes at each play, watching for certain things in sequence, and then looking at the blocks on a given run play, and assigning the grades.
“We grade run blocking in an adversarial way between defenders and blockers.  On most plays, Mawae will be going against a defender, and he’ll either win, lose or draw that blocking battle.”
Monson also discussed the positives and negatives of Mawae’s pass blocking, and summed up the seven-time Pro Bowler’s 2009 season overall:
“He only gave up one sack last season, BUT, he also gave up 13 QB pressures by our figures, which we count on an objective and consistent time-scale play-by-play.  … That total pressure figure is a lot less than great and largely explains why his pass protection grade ranks just middle of the pack.
“Suffice to say that for Mawae to grade out as badly as he did in our system … he was consistently losing his battle with the defender and getting moved backwards at the point of attack.”
So while Mawae maintains that some sort of conspiracy is costing him a job, there is reason to believe in an alternative explanation.
He just isn’t any good.

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48 Responses to “Perhaps the real reason no one wants Mawae”
  1. ItalianArmyGuy says: May 15, 2010 9:53 PM

    The starting center for a 2000-yard, record breaking rusher is the worst center in the NFL??
    I think you are full of crapola on this one, Evan. Nice plug for your dumb-a$$ little website though – should generate a lot of traffic from PFT fans wondering how you could be so stupid

  2. cnelson13 says: May 15, 2010 9:58 PM

    Mediocre is a negative word, so saying he’s a mediocre pass blocker BUT such a liability in the running game makes no sense.

  3. Slow Joe says: May 15, 2010 10:03 PM

    But that isn’t as good of a story, Evan. Florio may fire you for exposing that it isn’t collusion.

  4. WALKEN says: May 15, 2010 10:06 PM

    I agree. This makes absolutely NO sense.

  5. LewD says: May 15, 2010 10:07 PM

    how he lasted so long as an interior lineman is to be commended ….
    he could still start for every college team … but the NFL is a young man’s game …
    time to enjoy the rest of his time on earth … while he can still walk ….

  6. metaldeth says: May 15, 2010 10:09 PM

    Profootballfocus.com sucks. It had the Seahawks’ offensive line as the 7th best pass protecting line in the league last year. That says enough.
    Stats are nice, but if you can’t interpret them correctly they’re worthless.

  7. Slow Joe says: May 15, 2010 10:11 PM

    @ItalianArmyGuy: Lay off Evan; his logic is perfectly sound. Your logic–that a 2,000 yard rusher must have some fantastic center in front of him–is the one that is nonsensical. Plenty of quality rushing seasons have come from behind less-than-stellar centers.

  8. rolltide says: May 15, 2010 10:13 PM

    How about “even if he’s still serviceable, teams need to start grooming somebody who doesn’t have an AARP card”.

  9. FreeAgentPro says: May 15, 2010 10:20 PM

    The fine print says that site is using data from the 2007 season? WTF!

  10. the Shoeman says: May 15, 2010 10:23 PM

    Sam Monson of Profootballfocus.com described how his website charted Mawae’s season on a snap-by-snap basis:
    *************************************************
    the only thing for sure is:
    Sam needs to get laid.
    Anyone who charts on a snap-by-snap basis .. needs a girl.
    Florio,,you have Lawrence Taylor’s cell number handy ??

  11. JoeSixPack says: May 15, 2010 10:31 PM

    Mawae’s right – in fact the last THREE Presidents of the NFLPA are all WITHOUT a team.
    Clearly this is collusion against Troy Vincent and Trace Armstrong as they haven’t been signed either.
    Man – this conspiracy is getting bigger and bigger.

  12. njghost91 says: May 15, 2010 10:36 PM

    PFF also has jamaal charles rated over chris johnson…and malcom floyd as a top 15 wr in the league.. what a joke of a website

  13. WhiteShoeWillie says: May 15, 2010 10:52 PM

    PFF is a complete joke. All you have to do is browse through the position rankings for 2 minutes to see how stupid it is. You might as well use BleacherReport.com as a reference.

  14. elduderino13 says: May 15, 2010 11:04 PM

    Just look through some of that site’s ridiculous ratings. David Garrard ahead of Brady and Kurt Warner? Phbbbbt.

  15. ItalianArmyGuy says: May 15, 2010 11:12 PM

    the Shoeman says: May 15, 2010 10:23 PM
    Sam Monson of Profootballfocus.com described how his website charted Mawae’s season on a snap-by-snap basis:
    *************************************************
    the only thing for sure is:
    Sam needs to get laid.
    Anyone who charts on a snap-by-snap basis .. needs a girl.
    Florio,,you have Lawrence Taylor’s cell number handy ??
    ===============
    Well played Shoeman!!

  16. funi says: May 15, 2010 11:14 PM

    He was worse than the Rams, Lions, Raiders, Browns and Redskins center??

  17. HandsofSweed says: May 15, 2010 11:15 PM

    What record(s) did Johnson break? Yeah……that’s right. HELL of a season, but no broken records.
    Italian Army Guy: Franco Harris hates you and wishes you’d change your screen name so as to stop assosciating him with you and your horseshit opinions.

  18. ItalianArmyGuy says: May 15, 2010 11:19 PM

    Slow Joe says: May 15, 2010 10:11 PM
    @ItalianArmyGuy: Lay off Evan; his logic is perfectly sound. Your logic–that a 2,000 yard rusher must have some fantastic center in front of him–is the one that is nonsensical. Plenty of quality rushing seasons have come from behind less-than-stellar centers.
    =======================
    Slow Joe — errrr Evan’s mom — read the comments – I’m right. Most of them are about how ridiculously stupid the PFF website is.
    Chris Johnson was the 3rd best back in the NFL last year?? Really? Not as good as Ray Rice? LOL!!!!!!

  19. Dick says: May 15, 2010 11:30 PM

    Hey JoeSixPack, if you didn’t spend so much time turning over rocks looking for collusion, you could figure out that the only reason all these guys are sidelined is that they were born around the time that Nixon was president. Armstrong is 44 and Vincent is 39.

  20. MasterShake says: May 15, 2010 11:43 PM

    “He just isn’t any good.”
    That’s what she said.
    Had to. My bad.

  21. ItalianArmyGuy says: May 16, 2010 12:05 AM

    @HandsOfSweed –
    Chris Johnson didn’t have any NFL records from 2009?? LOL! Here you go, Poindexter:
    — In week 2, Johnson became the first player in NFL history to record touchdowns of 50+, 60+, and 90+ in the same game
    — In weeks 6 through 12, Johnson had an active streak of six games over 125 yards, which tied the NFL record shared by Earl Campbell and Eric Dickerson.
    — Johnson also set the single month record for rushing, with 800 yards in November 2009, which broke the previous record set by Ricky Williams who ran for 797 yards in November 2002.
    — Also in the 2009 season, Johnson had 3 touchdown runs of 85+ yards. No other player has achieved that many in a career.
    — Against the Seattle Seahawks, he rushed for 134 yards, which also broke Earl Campbell’s franchise rushing record. He gained 154 yards from scrimmage in the game bringing his total to 2,509 for the season breaking Marshall Faulk’s previous record of 2,429 yards.

  22. pigsty says: May 16, 2010 12:11 AM

    # metaldeth says: May 15, 2010 10:09 PM
    Profootballfocus.com sucks. It had the Seahawks’ offensive line as the 7th best pass protecting line in the league last year. That says enough.
    Stats are nice, but if you can’t interpret them correctly they’re worthless.

    A better way to “interpret” PFF rankings: don’t.
    Unless you heed your own advice.
    Supposition: Where most sites simply “rank” OL pass protection according to the usual numbers, — i.e, sacks, hits, pressures allowed — PFF game-charters probably went above and beyond by adjusting those numbers for pass attempts, pass formation (e.g. gun or set) , drop (short, med, deep), route length on completed passes, route length on incomplete passes, scrambling, QB mobility, penalties etc. In other words, all the stuff boxscores don’t reveal unless you each and every play — several times.
    That’s what PFF does.
    The Seahawks led the league in pass attempts last season. That factor alone increases Seattle’s exposure to pocket pressure. If we could “see” everything else PFF applied by charting each game, Seattle’s pass-block rating would probably make more sense.

  23. pigsty says: May 16, 2010 12:17 AM

    “That factor alone increases Seattle’s exposure to pocket pressure…”
    As in, rate matters as much as total in a comprehensive evaluation of protection (dividing total sacks/hits/pressures by total attempts to get a clearer look at protection efficiency) .

  24. East Bay Ray says: May 16, 2010 12:30 AM

    Sometimes, a snap judgment is all you need. A 39 year old center? I’ll pass on that.

  25. Deegan says: May 16, 2010 12:36 AM

    PFF is a complete joke. All you have to do is browse through the position rankings for 2 minutes to see how stupid it is. You might as well use BleacherReport.com as a reference.
    Yeah….why is that? Because all the big stars that you love are not at the top of the list? Suprisingly when you grade players on a play by play basis like profootballfocus does, you realize that all the big names who provide the “wow” effect are not always necessarily the best and most consistent players. Who would have thunk it.

  26. Deegan says: May 16, 2010 12:44 AM

    The starting center for a 2000-yard, record breaking rusher is the worst center in the NFL??
    I think you are full of crapola on this one, Evan. Nice plug for your dumb-a$$ little website though – should generate a lot of traffic from PFT fans wondering how you could be so stupid
    a) One weak link on an offensive line would not effect Johnson that significantly in the interior of the line, where double teams are very common.
    b) check out the rest of the grades for the 0-line, all of them are very highly rated, which would compensate for Mawae’s poor play.
    c) have you seen much of Chris Johnson hitting it straight up the gut? Nah…..me neither. He’s a perimeter runner, where he conveniently has two lineman who rank in the 25 percentile in run blocking amongst starting tackles.
    Surprisingly….it all makes a great deal of sense.

  27. Deegan says: May 16, 2010 12:48 AM

    Hey JoeSixPack, if you didn’t spend so much time turning over rocks looking for collusion, you could figure out that the only reason all these guys are sidelined is that they were born around the time that Nixon was president. Armstrong is 44 and Vincent is 39.
    I think he’s aware of this Dick, the comment was made sarcastically.

  28. Paul Hanna says: May 16, 2010 1:25 AM

    Come on, Silva… Why are you giving these clowns a platform?
    I think the whole PFF operation is based in the UK and, as I recall, they’re not true ‘football men’ who have learned over the years how to scrutinize technique. X’s and O’s are one thing, a lot of that can be ascertained through the internet or, heck, even Madden. But knee bends, drive steps, hand placement…. How do you learn to precisely critique such things if you’re not out on the practice field in some capacity or taken under the wing of a scout?
    Either way, they also don’t have access to the ‘all-22 film’ so I don’t know how they can even ATTEMPT to precisely quantify DBs, WRs or anything else off-camera when they don’t even know the coverages, combo routes etc etc.
    But they are statisticians so they have been able to make it pretty and create some buzz for themselves.
    Why so many take this rudimentary nonsense as gospel, I’ll never know…

  29. Titansnut28 says: May 16, 2010 2:23 AM

    PFF? I want my two minutes back. What a giant load of crap. Here’s a great PFF read: The top ten backs in yard after contact. Brian Leonard, Chris Brown, Larry Johnson, Marshawn Lynch, Jason Snelling, Mewelde Moore, Michael Bush, Tim Hightower and Clinton Portis. Leonard’s #’s came on 27 carries. 5 broken tackles. Awesome. He’s 1st rd in my draft baby! I expect all these guys to be gone by the third right? Really good backs…
    And a great comment: “Three other rushers were able to record more than 900 yards after contact, and not one of them came within 500 yards of Chris Johnson’s league-leading 2,006-yard rushing total.” Yeah, you’re right, I’d definitely take Chris Brown back over CJ. Hey Evan, girls don’t like haters. Yeah, that’s why. Thanks for wasting your time and mine.

  30. wbio says: May 16, 2010 2:33 AM

    @HandsofSweed: You mean besides the yards from scrimmage record?

  31. Onderin says: May 16, 2010 2:58 AM

    ItalianArmyGuy says: May 15, 2010 11:19 PM
    Slow Joe — errrr Evan’s mom — read the comments – I’m right. Most of them are about how ridiculously stupid the PFF website is.
    Chris Johnson was the 3rd best back in the NFL last year?? Really? Not as good as Ray Rice? LOL!!!!!!
    ————————————-
    You guys should read their standards and how they calculate the conclusions they find. They aren’t simply going be yards and tds. They literally look at the play multiple times to pick up the more subtle things that fans are less likely to notice (or really care about).
    Sure Chris Johnson had the most yards in the season, but how did he do on blitz pick ups? How many penalties were called on him? How many missed assignments did he have? They try to put all these things together to see who had the best season. By their calculations, Chris Johnson didn’t have a OVERALL season as good as Ray Rice, MJD, or Jamal Charles.
    If you disagree, feel free to review every play of the season by these players to prove you reached a different conclusion. It’s ok to think they’re wrong and stupid. You have to have evidence instead of simple insults.

  32. VoxVagina says: May 16, 2010 3:24 AM

    @Dick
    It was joke, dumbass.

  33. Patrick says: May 16, 2010 5:07 AM

    On the Titan’s line…Mawae had the fewest QB pressures,QB hits,and penalties and only Amano gave up fewer sacks 0 to Stewart &Mawae”s 1 apiece In the league…Mawae was 1 of only 3 centers to give up 0 QB hits, not too shabby!…I’d go with ESPN’s(media perceptionist )Mark Schlereth on this one…

  34. borg says: May 16, 2010 6:51 AM

    Mawae is one of the dirtiest players in the league. He’s also a complete blowhard. Combine these with the fact that he is old, below average, and a union shill…..bingo. Get your golf clubs out.

  35. jvincenzob says: May 16, 2010 7:35 AM

    The argument that one bad blocker means a running back can’t put up huge numbers in the most stupid concept I have ever heard. It’s the fallacy of composition. Just because one player is bad doesn’t make the unit as a whole bad. If Johnson was good enough he could avoid every tackler Mawae failed to block efficiently. Obviously he doesn’t because he does sometimes make a decent block but its still possible.

  36. Thefiasco says: May 16, 2010 8:05 AM

    If Italian army gay, hitler, and bin laden were all in a room and I had a gun with two bullets, I’d shoot Italian army gay twice.

  37. KingJoe! says: May 16, 2010 8:09 AM

    Really, a Unionized worker trying to blame someone else for his problems, well scrunch my shorts and flip my flapjack, that is suprising.
    Hey dude YOU ARE OLD!

  38. BigBear123 says: May 16, 2010 10:22 AM

    When Vince Young started taking snaps from him at the Pro Bowl he should have realized how big of a joke it is. He can’t use his 09 Pro Bowl season as leverage.
    He is just a well known name, most fans can’t name a teams starting five O-lineman.

  39. Deegan says: May 16, 2010 10:40 AM

    And a great comment: “Three other rushers were able to record more than 900 yards after contact, and not one of them came within 500 yards of Chris Johnson’s league-leading 2,006-yard rushing total.” Yeah, you’re right, I’d definitely take Chris Brown back over CJ. Hey Evan, girls don’t like haters. Yeah, that’s why. Thanks for wasting your time and mine.
    So what’s the problem out of curiousity? The conclusion of this article would be that either a) Chris Johnson got cleaner wholes and didn’t have to break as many tackles, which makes sense because he isn’t a tackle breaker, or b) He was beating players more with his shiftiness and speed rather then breaking tackles.
    How is this a waste of time? The way I see it, this is statisics supporting game film.

  40. FreeAgentPro says: May 16, 2010 11:17 AM

    This from the PFF website:
    “Whilst this is currently only a demonstration site using data from the 2007 season it still contains a minimum of eight regular season games per team and every Post Season game. Our Player Participation data is a recent addition to the site and although it isn’t available for all games if you look at 2007 Week 1 you should get a pretty good idea of the data you’ll be getting for every game in 2008.”

  41. pigsty says: May 16, 2010 12:05 PM

    May 16, 2010 11:17 AM FreeAgentPro says:
    This from the PFF website:
    “Whilst this is currently only a demonstration site using data from the 2007 season…”


    That from PFF’s unupdated “About” page evidence — DUH — 2009 data compiled to argue The Elusive Rating posted 06 May 2010 @ 14:27 in their “Articles” section.

  42. pigsty says: May 16, 2010 12:38 PM

    If we could “see” everything else PFF applied by charting each game, Seattle’s pass-block rating would probably make more sense.

    Including, gulp, pocket time, measured by actually watching & breaking down film, i.e., what PFF does.
    Ex. Is an OL that gives its QB more than the league-average in pocket time — which still results in pressures/hits/sacks because the QB is indecisive, immobile, a slow reader (progression-wise) with a longish wind-up or weak arm or more concerned with his QBR than avoiding sacks (throwing the ball away) — “worse” than the OL that averages less pocket time for a QB with better escapability, superior field vision (faster checkoffs, progression reads), a bigger arm or a quicker release who also & routinely changes protection calls at the LOS when he detects blitz, certain coverages and dumps off/throwsaway balls to avoid sacks?

  43. NinerNation says: May 16, 2010 1:43 PM

    He hasn’t been signed because he’s too damn old. Nobody wants to rely on an ancient center.

  44. bluestree says: May 16, 2010 2:36 PM

    “There are three kinds of liars; Liars, damn liars, and statiticians.”
    -Mark Twain

  45. vanhelsing says: May 16, 2010 9:10 PM

    really, there are 3 kinds of lies, i.e., lies, damned lies, and statistics.
    maybe he didnt give up a lot of sacks. but johnson is an end runner. mawae DID NOT open up a lot of holes for him.
    agree, that troy and trace arent going to get contracts/ armstrong hasnt played in years. amd most 39 year old CBs should have given it up 4 years ago.
    never been to pff, but it would be interesting to see what they think about mawae’s play as the season progressed. old farts play worse late in the year. i tend to bet against old teams late in the year.

  46. QB or not QB says: May 16, 2010 10:01 PM

    Chris Johnson is a more physical runner that is generally known. Mainstream media focus on the long runs with the smooth moves. But, he is actually pretty tough inside the tackles considering he has a smallish frame.

  47. Topher says: May 17, 2010 12:56 AM

    According to PFF there are 5 quarterbacks in the league last year who had better seasons than Peyton Manning.

  48. DBL says: May 17, 2010 1:36 AM

    Maybe PFF is in on the conspiracy…?
    lol
    I love PFF they do a good job of putting something together that most fans don’t have access to…
    if you click on the players name on these charts it will take you to a game by game rating for all games played.
    And some fancy graphs.
    Don’t hate, just take it as supported analysis.

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