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Latest StarCaps decision likely means Williamses will be available all year

We’ve obtained and digested the 11-page written opinion from Judge Gary Larson regarding his decision to extend a temporary injunction that prevents the implementation of four-game suspensions against Vikings defensive tackles Pat and Kevin Williams until their appeal is resolved. 

Our first impression?  It’s highly unlikely that the Williamses will be suspended at any point in the 2010 season.

Even if the NFL expedites the process before the Minnesota Court of Appeals, nothing in Judge Larson’s order suggests that it applies only to the first of two levels available to the Williamses.  After the Minnesota Court of Appeals comes the Minnesota Supreme Court, and it would be virtually unprecedented if both levels of appeal were resolved before the end of the calendar year.

Especially since none of the elected officials who’ll be handling the case benefit in any way from moving quickly to ensure that the suspensions can be enforced against two key players of the home team.

If anything, Judge Larson’s order seems to welcome scrutiny from a higher court.  He finds that the Williamses enjoy a “likelihood” of prevailing on appeal, explaining that the issues presented in the litigation “were a matter of first impression,” and that Larson had no precedent available to guide him.  Thus, even though Larson believes that there was no harm arising from the failure of the NFL to provide notice of the positive result within three days, in violation of Minnesota law, Larson seems to acknowledge that an appeals court may find that he was wr-wr-wr-wr-judicially misinformed.

“Public policy . . . dictates that [the NFL] should not be permitted to benefit from its own misconduct,” Larson wrote.  “Here, [the NFL] knew Star Caps contained Bumetanide, that players were ingesting Bumetanide, that Bumetanide was dangerous, and withheld information about Star Caps, knowing that players would suffer as a result.  [The NFL] created a trap that it knew would result in violations of the program.”

In response to the argument by the league that it would be harmed by an injunction, Judge Larson disagreed. 

“[The NFL] could have easily avoided this very situation by informing players or teams about what it already knew — that Star Caps contained a hidden, dangerous substance,” Larson explained.  “[The NFL] knew that many players were already inadvertently ingesting Bumetanide, and continued to place the health, safety, and welfare of its players in jeopardy, so that Adolpho Birch could play a game of gotcha.  The league clearly allowed a half dozen other players to use Bumetanide without punishment.”

Based on Larson’s statements, there’s a chance that the suspensions ultimately will be scuttled.  Until the appeals are resolved, Pat and Kevin Williams — and Saints defensive end Will Smith — will be permitted to keep playing.

It’s very good news for Vikings and Saints fans.  And also for NBC, which will have all three players available when the season kicks off on September 9 with a nationally-televised game between Minnesota and New Orleans.

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70 Responses to “Latest StarCaps decision likely means Williamses will be available all year”
  1. CdnMike says: May 21, 2010 11:55 AM

    YES!!! Justice!
    The NFL should just drop the whole thing. What they did as a Corporation is nothing short of disgusting.
    I’m glad the judge is calling the NFL out on this.

  2. se18a29 says: May 21, 2010 11:59 AM

    Too bad puker losers….
    Favre 4 – Pukers 0 after this year…
    Hahahahahahaha
    Life is so good in MN

  3. JimmySmithBlows says: May 21, 2010 11:59 AM

    Jimmy Smith – Mark Chmura is a rapist.

  4. Minny1 says: May 21, 2010 12:00 PM

    Hell YES!
    Too bad Saints, Dolphins, Lions and Jets. The Wall is alive

  5. rjgreen3 says: May 21, 2010 12:04 PM

    by not telling the players about starcaps and suspending certain players leads me to believe that the nfl was trying to influence certain games.
    who are the other players that weren’t suspended?

  6. halestorm74 says: May 21, 2010 12:05 PM

    HELL YA!!!! THE WILLIAMS WALL LIVES!!!

  7. knightsroundtable says: May 21, 2010 12:09 PM

    Drop it! Move on.

  8. WHODAT says: May 21, 2010 12:09 PM

    Life is good in MN??? hahahahahaha yea right…
    I like how these 2 pussies do nothing but cry and try to extend these suspensions as long as possible. Doesn’t even matter though cuz the Vikqueens will start the season getting shit on by the last team that shit on them.
    WHO DAT

  9. Jon Evans says: May 21, 2010 12:13 PM

    I completely agree. My point all along has been its a game of GOTCHA, it’s entrapment, the same as a cop waiting on the side of the road following you out of a bar etc and then going gotcha! people can play the “its ur responsibility to know whats in ur system” card all day long;however, it comes down to the fact that the league knew it was bad and didn’t inform them. If they didnt have to inform you why do they put a lil post-it up of things they allow? if its only YOU responsible, they wouldnt do that period.
    It’s a good day and I believe this could lead to stoping the tyranical nazi regime ran by Roger Goddell. If he starts removing people from HOF status because of off the field trouble but greatness on the field… will he start adding people to the hall who sucked on the field but contributed greatly to society? spare me

  10. MNSportsGuy79 says: May 21, 2010 12:13 PM

    Judge Larson is tearing the NFL’s arguments to shreds, and any like-minded judge is going to agree with him. These suspensions will be thrown out the window and probably the NFL lawyers will receive repromand for abuse of process if they continue to go after this.
    ————————————————–
    [The NFL] created a trap that it knew would result in violations of the program.”
    ————————————————–
    Finally a judge says something that we’ve all known but not been able to prove!

  11. footballrulz says: May 21, 2010 12:14 PM

    Nice to see that a judge has actual common sense. NFL knew it, jeopardized it’s own players–case should be closed.
    That being said se-18-a-29, hut, hut is still an idiot and we wouldn;t want her to have that as an excuse during the beat down coming first game of the season.
    Won;t really matter though, she’ll be happy if they manage to get by the Packers again. Seems to be only requirement for a successful season.

  12. DailyNorseman says: May 21, 2010 12:14 PM

    “Public policy . . . dictates that [the NFL] should not be permitted to benefit from its own misconduct,” Larson wrote. “Here, [the NFL] knew Star Caps contained Bumetanide, that players were ingesting Bumetanide, that Bumetanide was dangerous, and withheld information about Star Caps, knowing that players would suffer as a result. [The NFL] created a trap that it knew would result in violations of the program.”
    In response to the argument by the league that it would be harmed by an injunction, Judge Larson disagreed.
    “[The NFL] could have easily avoided this very situation by informing players or teams about what it already knew — that Star Caps contained a hidden, dangerous substance,” Larson explained. “[The NFL] knew that many players were already inadvertently ingesting Bumetanide, and continued to place the health, safety, and welfare of its players in jeopardy, so that Adolpho Birch could play a game of gotcha. The league clearly allowed a half dozen other players to use Bumetanide without punishment.”

    Well, no kidding. Some of us have been saying this all along. Apparently, some of us have been right.

  13. notoriousbri says: May 21, 2010 12:17 PM

    NFL was dirty here.. and they HATE to lose so they will continue to fight even though they are wrong untill every appeal and option is exhausted. If that doesnt work they will find some other way to punish these players.

  14. shiftyshellshocked says: May 21, 2010 12:23 PM

    There you go puke fans. Now you can shut your pie holes about this. Especially BobNelson and Jimmy Smith, dicks.

  15. Vikingbill1 says: May 21, 2010 12:23 PM

    Game…Set…Match…
    “[The NFL] could have easily avoided this very situation by informing players or teams about what it already knew — that Star Caps contained a hidden, dangerous substance,” Larson explained. “[The NFL] knew that many players were already inadvertently ingesting Bumetanide, and continued to place the health, safety, and welfare of its players in jeopardy, so that Adolpho Birch could play a game of gotcha. The league clearly allowed a half dozen other players to use Bumetanide without punishment.”

  16. irishgary says: May 21, 2010 12:26 PM

    Agreed NFL should drop it. These guys suck anyway

  17. CanadianVikingFan says: May 21, 2010 12:27 PM

    That is kind of like entrapment is it not?
    In the words of the NFLN crew..
    Good answer, good answer, good answer.

  18. Franchise says: May 21, 2010 12:27 PM

    The NFL should just go to these guys and offer them a 1 game suspension.
    It saves face for the league, and gives the Saints a fighting chance come week 1.

  19. IAVikefan says: May 21, 2010 12:30 PM

    Cue the fat whiney outburst from the Packqueer nation in 5-4-3-2-1…..

  20. DcNinerFan says: May 21, 2010 12:30 PM

    Its good to see that fairness reigns (as long as you are popular and have money, otherwise you are screwed). The system fails again!

  21. Cannon says: May 21, 2010 12:30 PM

    LOL ALL YOU HATERS CAN SUCK IT!

  22. BenRapistberger says: May 21, 2010 12:30 PM

    But yet Brian Cushing is the devil.
    According to your argument against him, it’s black and white. He had a substance in his system on the banned list. Players are responsible for what goes into their body. Regardless of who what when or why, that’s the policy and they should be suspended. I don’t agree with that but you’re contradicting yourself.

  23. aDickRunsThisSite says: May 21, 2010 12:33 PM

    im sure this comes as a big surprise to the NFL office. They have been operating under the assumption that whatever Roger says is the way it is.
    Its about time the NFL got its underwear pulled down around its ankles and had its buttocks spanked early and often.
    Since when does an NFL rule outweigh a State Statute?
    gth roger and your legal thugs
    the NFL is for entertainment, not setting legal precedents in suspending players by violating their legal rights as put down by the STATE~!!
    oh by the way Roger, if your ignorantass drug enforcement folks had done things on the up and up and TOLD the players what he knew was in STarcaps, none of this would have ever come to fruition.
    again Roger i say to you, g t h.

  24. zappa says: May 21, 2010 12:33 PM

    This means that cheater Will Smith will be able to play this year without suspension.

  25. GobiasINC_1 says: May 21, 2010 12:35 PM

    Life is good in Minnesota. Yes! Your QB spends more time with college kids and high schoolers than he does his own team, and your stadium issues are unresolved. You also pissed away a chance at the Super Bowl with your pathetic coaching, overrated running back that can’t hold onto the ball and the QB who continues to throw costly INTs when it matters most.
    Yes you beat the Packers last year. Twice. But the future is much brighter in GB than in Minnesota. If nothing else, we support our team and will not have the Packers moving to LA anytime soon.

  26. Cannon says: May 21, 2010 12:35 PM

    Another reason the Saints and their fans should be on their knees thanking the Minnesota Vikings

  27. Calgaryhawk says: May 21, 2010 12:37 PM

    And this is why the matter should and likely will be heard in Federal Court.
    You have a local state Official (elected) making a decision that will be quite popular for the local rooting fan base. This state official may or may not, in fact, be a fan and a season ticket holder himself.
    The problem is his decision has a direct impact on a national employer who now is being put it a situation whereby they have different rules for their respective employees depending on the State that employee lives.
    Yes, Vikings fans will be happy. Their team wins. But it does nothing for the ability of the NFL to govern 32 teams. You can’t have rules that apply to the other 31 teams and not the Vikings because they happen to have a homer judge. It also isn’t fair that one team gets to dictate to the national organization how it can and can’t run its business.

  28. silverback says: May 21, 2010 12:39 PM

    Man, drug cheaters all through the NFL. So much for “integrity of the game” eh Goodell? Drug cheats on the Vikings, Saints, Browns, Redskins, Broncos, Texans. Better divert attention and go suspend somebody for having sex with a drunk slut to preserve “the integrity of the game”.
    Pathetic!

  29. RayDaMayor says: May 21, 2010 12:41 PM

    UPDATE 2018:
    The league today announced the suspension of 4 retired players tied to Starcaps…..The league further stated blah, blah, blah.
    When reached, all 4 retired players told the league to blow them.

  30. seaner44 says: May 21, 2010 12:41 PM

    Sweet, no Fat Albert Haynesworth , thank god

  31. pdizzle says: May 21, 2010 12:46 PM

    Life is good in MN??? hahahahahaha yea right…
    I like how these 2 pussies do nothing but cry and try to extend these suspensions as long as possible. Doesn’t even matter though cuz the Vikqueens will start the season getting shit on by the last team that shit on them.
    WHO DAT
    Love this comment!!! @ pussies do nothing but cry and try to extend….of course they are you idiot why wouldn’t you try and extend the suspension especially if Pat W. will retire after this year, and you really think they are crying about it? That why they pay the big bucks to the lawyer he cries about it…you truly are an idiot. Did the Vikings get shit on????? With all the turnovers the Saints barely won it was a fluke were going to crush you in game one the way worse than Katrina wahahahahahahah!

  32. TrentDilferisaDouche says: May 21, 2010 12:54 PM

    Dear Viking fans,
    Please leave my two sons “Jimmy” and “Whodat” alone. You see, my boys are very angry since they were beaten by their daddy who is also their uncle. I am sorry for their behavior. Please understand that their family tree is one branch and I will not allow them to pass on their genetic material to any other family members.
    Thank you,
    Jimmy and whodat’s mom

  33. VonClausewitz says: May 21, 2010 12:54 PM

    Awesome decision!
    Like Larson, here’s the thing that bothers me. The league made the decision to put their own PR interests ahead of players health. And it’s not like it’s a one-off either. The league has a history of doing this. This league is still doing this. If it’s not StarCaps, it’s concussions, it’s injury reporting, it’s treatment of retired players. You know what I mean? For all the moral posturing Goodell does he sure doesn’t back it up when that critical lens is turned around on himself and the league.
    If the PA really wants to win the PR battle in the looming labor dispute (which is really the only battle) this is the lever to use. And if Goodell has any damned interest in maintaining the illusion of his moral superiority, he’d be well advised to drop the StarCaps issue with a mea culpa – The league screwed up.

  34. Stoogie says: May 21, 2010 12:55 PM

    BenRapistberger says: May 21, 2010 12:30 PM
    But yet Brian Cushing is the devil.
    According to your argument against him, it’s black and white. He had a substance in his system on the banned list. Players are responsible for what goes into their body. Regardless of who what when or why, that’s the policy and they should be suspended. I don’t agree with that but you’re contradicting yourself.
    ——————————————-
    I believe the difference between Cushing and Williams/Smith/Grant/Williams is that those 4 were able to point to a product that had ingredients in it that were not disclosed. Didn’t one of the Saints players (maybe Deuce McCallister?) say that he even called the NFL hotline and was given the thumbs up on Star Caps?
    If Cushing was able to produce an over the counter product that had not listed hCG as an ingredient, and that product was not on the NFL’s list of products to stay away from, then he would be able to use the same argument.
    Players are responsible for what goes in to their bodies, yes. If they are taking something that that has substances in it that is not listed on the product, then isn’t that entering quite a gray area? Especially if the NFL gave its blessing on the product?
    With the truckloads of money the NFL generates, is it out of the realm of possibility that they can’t manufacture their own supplements? Make it available to all the players and tell them that if they take *these* supplements, then everything will be just fine but if they decide to use other supplements then they may be at risk for crap like what happened with Star Caps. Is that something that they already do?

  35. Santonio'sBluntWrap says: May 21, 2010 12:56 PM

    Outstanding show by the judge in this case to call it as it is, rather than spinning everything into a PC ball so that it appears nobody is to blame. The NFL is at fault here, and is really making themselves out to look like total scumbags (or even more so, as the case may be) the more they pursue this BS case. I think there should be some penalty, whether civil or criminal, for the individuals directly related to this cover up and complete irresponsibility in this situation.
    What would have happened if a player had died as a direct result of using this substance that the league KNEW was dangerous but kept quiet?
    Again, major kudos to Judge Larson for calling a spade a spade and pointing out how the NFL tried to screw their own employees in the name of God knows what.

  36. seaner44 says: May 21, 2010 12:56 PM

    at least they will have Will Smith for the Year… Too bad Sean Payton will be behind bars for stealing vicodin

  37. timegambit says: May 21, 2010 12:57 PM

    Somewhere, in the deep south, Drew Brees just got the runs.
    :We come from the land of the ice and snow:

  38. Contra says: May 21, 2010 1:04 PM

    Bullet holes on the side of Lambeau Field…Williams Wall is back….being a Packer fan….man, the world just got a bit more ugly for Packer fans.

  39. Charles Wood says: May 21, 2010 1:05 PM

    The Williams Wall is overrated anyhow (and aging fast)… the Packers front line is better- hence it’s #1 against the run rating last season… The Queens O-line is a mess and the Pack will have NO PROBLEM getting to Brent this year.
    ***Newsflash*** The Vikings have never won a Super Bowl and their fans wear Swiss Miss wigs.
    Boom.

  40. DCViking says: May 21, 2010 1:16 PM

    # Calgaryhawk says: May 21, 2010 12:37 PM
    The problem is his decision has a direct impact on a national employer who now is being put it a situation whereby they have different rules for their respective employees depending on the State that employee lives.
    Yes, Vikings fans will be happy. Their team wins. But it does nothing for the ability of the NFL to govern 32 teams. You can’t have rules that apply to the other 31 teams and not the Vikings because they happen to have a homer judge. It also isn’t fair that one team gets to dictate to the national organization how it can and can’t run its business.
    ————————————————–
    This happens already — players have to state income tax in the state where they earned the income (played the games).
    Different tax rates in different states = different laws (rules) in different states, and the NFL has no control over this.
    If the NFL wants a uniform drug policy (which may supersede state laws) they should explicitly put that in the CBA.
    The NFL is no different than any other business which operates a in multi-state environment.
    Moreover, the ruling indicates that the NFL did not act in good faith by failing to reveal that StarCaps contained Bumetanide, and not punishing people consistently.

  41. FNGS says: May 21, 2010 1:21 PM

    # IAVikefan says: May 21, 2010 12:30 PM
    Cue the fat whiney outburst from the Packqueer nation in 5-4-3-2-1…..
    ——————————————————
    Get use to your name, because you won’t have far to go see them play a game.

  42. chickenragnar the 3rd says: May 21, 2010 1:21 PM

    Charles Wood says:
    May 21, 2010 1:05 PM
    The Williams Wall is overrated anyhow (and aging fast)… the Packers front line is better- hence it’s #1 against the run rating last season… The Queens O-line is a mess and the Pack will have NO PROBLEM getting to Brent this year.
    ***Newsflash*** The Vikings have never won a Super Bowl and their fans wear Swiss Miss wigs.
    Boom.
    ================================
    Overrated? Yeah, I guess #3 against the rush and #6 overall defense is horrible.
    Packers front line is better? LMAO!!
    Vikings led the leauge in sacks last year you dildo!
    Our o-line is a mess? WTF?! you so realize the Pack gave up over 50! sacks, right? You are too stupid to even insult, do you know that?
    Anyone that puts Boom at the end of their posts is not to be taken seriously.
    You actually think that “insult” necessitated a boom?
    What a window licker.
    What are you, 12 years old?

  43. Charles Wood says: May 21, 2010 1:21 PM

    Contra… there is nothing more ugly than having an empty trophy showcase on display in a run-down dome where they have to amplify stadium noise to simulate a full house. Life is ALWAYS good in Packerland…
    BTW… stop kidding yourselves Queens fans. Your pathetic team isn’t even Green Bay’s arch rival. That would be da Bears. Keep trying though!

  44. MrHumble says: May 21, 2010 1:28 PM

    Not a vikings fan but glad to see the williamson’s stand up to the chit the nfl pulls. I know there are many issues at play here, but for me it comes down to the fact that the nfl knew what they knew but purposely didn’t warn the players……what an employer! secondly, how could they unilaterally not punish others but then just decide that these particular players we will punish……not playin’ fair at all nfl.

  45. Anarcho Purplism says: May 21, 2010 1:53 PM

    Too bad Fat Albert.
    Too bad.
    Have another cheeseburger

  46. Nard100 says: May 21, 2010 1:58 PM

    The NFL is trying to avoid a situation here and I don’t blame them one bit. The NFL’s contention right from the beginning has been- YOU are responsible for what you put in your body. Period. How did they find out about the unlisted ingredient? That;s right they tested it. Tell me why a player couldn’t do the same. A bunch of players call the NFL asking, “Can I use this stuff or not?” At first I sided with the players and said, well they didn’t know, after all the maker didn’t list all the ingredients. Then I thought why are these guys crying to the NFL when they can send anything to a lab and get the fact before they ever take something like StarCaps. New drinks and supplements are coming out every week. Should the NFL be responsible for testing everything that comes out. It’s not reasonable. Besides, the NFL has published an APPROVED supplement list. If you use something outside of that list, your are on your own. The suspensions are inevitable.

  47. onlineinsite says: May 21, 2010 2:00 PM

    I’m happy to see this – not only as a Vikes fan but seriously, the law is the law and the NFL can’t improvise. I’m glad the judge slammed the NFL, because what he’s saying is actually true. This isn’t some “loophole” that the players found, this is long-standing MN state law.

  48. mike says: May 21, 2010 2:13 PM

    Im sure all this bs makes the NFL more then willing to help the Vikings resolve the stadium issue.

  49. Ty Redofbuck says: May 21, 2010 2:21 PM

    The NFL may have had an obligation to disclose StarCaps as a product containing banned substances. But that doesn’t change the fact that two men, who are paid to be huge were ingesting a diuretic that masks steroid use.
    It also isn’t relevant to two players who are now trying to circumvent NFL rules which were agreed to under the collective bargaining agreement. You can’t point the finger at the NFL as a union representative and then turn around and violate a different set of rules under the same agreement from an ivory tower.
    The specific person or group who neglected to have StarCaps on the list of banned substances should be suspended without pay for four weeks during the NFL season and the Williamses, along with the others, should serve the suspensions that were originally ordered by the NFL.
    There have been congressional hearings and investigations into steroid use, trafficking and so on. Why not a congressional investigation into state courts, governors and so others who invent laws to protect sporting figures from fair disciplinary action which in turn protects the business interests of the corporate sponsors who pay to have their names in the stadiums those same sporting figures compete in.
    This case has been a joke from the beginning. People are talking about Lawrence Taylor being banned from the hall of fame for something he might have done. Yet two cheaters who believe they’re above the rules of the NFL are allowed to continue playing without consequence.
    Well, if Tom Cable can act like Pacman Jones without supplementary discipline I suppose anything’s possible.

  50. God's Own Silver and Blue says: May 21, 2010 2:29 PM

    It’s a good day and I believe this could lead to (sic) stoping the tyranical nazi regime ran by Roger (sic) Goddell.
    Invoking Godwin’s Law in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 …

  51. purpleguy says: May 21, 2010 2:31 PM

    The average appeal to the Minnesota Court of Appeals takes 9-12 months. I clerked a year for the chief judge and never once saw the court grant an expedited appeal. If they lose, the process of appealing to the Supreme Court takes a couple months. Thus, it looks like the Williams boys are safe for another season (likely Pat’s last).
    Both sides should just settle this. It’s bad PR for the league and the players. As to the uniform application of the bargaining agreement in light of state law issue argued by the NFL, that’s a pile of crap. All they have to do is put a clause in the next collecctive bargaining agreement stating that the agreement pre-empts state law. Instead, the NFL is pushing this matter in the federal and state appellate courts to create publised opinions and binding law, which only hurts the league’s standing.

  52. Annuvin says: May 21, 2010 2:43 PM

    Unlike Roethlisberger, there is actually evidence that these guys are guilty. Suspending them for at least half the year is the only fair way to go.

  53. EricTheClown says: May 21, 2010 2:46 PM

    WHODAT says:
    May 21, 2010 12:09 PM
    Life is good in MN??? hahahahahaha yea right…
    I like how these 2 pussies do nothing but cry and try to extend these suspensions as long as possible. Doesn’t even matter though cuz the Vikqueens will start the season getting shit on by the last team that shit on them.
    Hence the name WHO SHAT

  54. Smoking Joe says: May 21, 2010 2:58 PM

    The Roid wall will continue to play due to the ruling of a local homer judge. Color me surprised.

  55. zod says: May 21, 2010 3:04 PM

    Quote:
    And this is why the matter should and likely will be heard in Federal Court.
    You have a local state Official (elected) making a decision that will be quite popular for the local rooting fan base. This state official may or may not, in fact, be a fan and a season ticket holder himself.
    The problem is his decision has a direct impact on a national employer who now is being put it a situation whereby they have different rules for their respective employees depending on the State that employee lives.
    Yes, Vikings fans will be happy. Their team wins. But it does nothing for the ability of the NFL to govern 32 teams. You can’t have rules that apply to the other 31 teams and not the Vikings because they happen to have a homer judge. It also isn’t fair that one team gets to dictate to the national organization how it can and can’t run its business.
    Now there’s someone with a grasp of the situation. The rest of you need to look up stare decisis

  56. sand0 says: May 21, 2010 3:44 PM

    Exclusing idiotic Packer fans and random idiots trying to stir the pot, does anyone out there really think the Williamses and Saints players “deserve” to be suspended given the fact that the NFL let half a dozen players go and withheld information for the purpose of catching other ones?
    Starcaps containing Butemide is a special case. It isn’t like there are dozens of supplements out there with banned substances in them. Starcaps was a special case and the NFL withheld information, leading to a massive shiz storm that jeopardizes the foundation of the drug testing policy.
    Yet they sit back and talk like the Williamses are the problem. Time to just face the music NFL. You screwed up and got caught.

  57. Charles Wood says: May 21, 2010 3:49 PM

    CHICKENRAGNAR-
    Excuse me Ms… but can’t you come up with better than dildo??
    In case you didn’t realize- you only lead the NFL in sacks because of your 2 games against us when our O-line was in shambles. I do realize that if “if’s” and “but’s” were candy and nuts- we would all have a Merry Christmas…
    But… take away those 2 fluke games and the Packers not only win the division- but the Vikes don’t lead the NFL in sacks, the Pack doesn’t lead the league in getting sacked, Clay Matthews has more sacks than Jerod Allen, etc…, etc…
    Green Bay clearly had and still has the better team. #2 overall D, #6 overall O plus the first team ever to have a 4K passer, 1.2K rusher and 2 1K+ receivers.
    There is no denying that the Green Bay is the better (and much younger) football team. It’s not even a debate. We have the better QB, better WRs, better TE, better DBs, better LBs and we’ll have the better O and D lines.
    We also have a LOADED trophy case in a newly renovated stadium that represents the NFL’s “Crown Jewl”.
    Boom-shallock-lock-boom.

  58. Qoojo says: May 21, 2010 4:02 PM

    The NFL should say to the vikings that they can play them if they want in the first four games, but if they appear for even one play, the vikings forfeit the game. No suspension without pay, no legal problems.

  59. Gregjennings85 says: May 21, 2010 4:06 PM

    Lesson to kids:
    If you have enough money, you can delay your punishment until it no longer matters.
    Great, pass the steroids.

  60. DailyNorseman says: May 21, 2010 4:22 PM

    “Green Bay clearly had and still has the better team. #2 overall D, #6 overall O plus the first team ever to have a 4K passer, 1.2K rusher and 2 1K+ receivers.”
    And yet, the Minnesota Vikings kicked your team’s teeth down their throat on two separate occasions.
    Idiot.

  61. chickenragnar the 3rd says: May 21, 2010 4:37 PM

    Charles Wood says:
    May 21, 2010 3:49 PM
    CHICKENRAGNAR-
    Excuse me Ms… but can’t you come up with better than dildo??
    In case you didn’t realize- you only lead the NFL in sacks because of your 2 games against us when our O-line was in shambles. I do realize that if “if’s” and “but’s” were candy and nuts- we would all have a Merry Christmas…
    But… take away those 2 fluke games and the Packers not only win the division- but the Vikes don’t lead the NFL in sacks, the Pack doesn’t lead the league in getting sacked, Clay Matthews has more sacks than Jerod Allen, etc…, etc…
    Green Bay clearly had and still has the better team. #2 overall D, #6 overall O plus the first team ever to have a 4K passer, 1.2K rusher and 2 1K+ receivers.
    There is no denying that the Green Bay is the better (and much younger) football team. It’s not even a debate. We have the better QB, better WRs, better TE, better DBs, better LBs and we’ll have the better O and D lines.
    We also have a LOADED trophy case in a newly renovated stadium that represents the NFL’s “Crown Jewl”.
    Boom-shallock-lock-boom
    ===================================
    Jesus, you are a quintessential idiot.
    I know you are a typical packer fan. Your post is filled with a laundry list of excuses for why they lost both games to the Vikes.
    Fluke games? 1 win is a fluke shitstain, 2 and 3 in a row is pattern.
    Moron, if they clearly had the better team, I guess they would have won those 2 games and finished ahead in the standings, right?
    Wow color me impressed with all those stats!! Who cares?! What did it get you? 2nd place in the division and a WC loss.
    That defense was exposed big time. Blueprint for every team that plays them.
    Your worthless overvaluing of the talent level on that team, I’m not going to even bother debating it with you. Every player the Packers have is the best ever at his position, it’s like talking to a brick wall.
    Ah yes, another rallying cry of the idiot Packer fan, “we have trophies from 40-90 years ago!!
    Very nice, who but you jagoff fans give a shit??
    Crown Jewl”. WTF is that? Did you mean Jewel?
    Boom-shallock-lock-boom—–Uff
    I honestly got nothing for the last line of your post. What a freaking retard, your mother must be sooo proud.

  62. Charles Wood says: May 21, 2010 4:46 PM

    DailyNorseman… you’ll shut you’re mouth unless spoken to you hairy buffoon.
    To the rest of you inbred Viking fans:
    The Vikings are the red-headed stepchild of the NFC Norris division. They can’t claim the tradition, nor rivalry, associated with the legendary Bears or Packers, nor have they been historically hapless like the Lions (except for losing 4 Super Bowls) to garner the type of sympathy that would appear to make them relevant outside of Minnesota. Instead- they’ve simply acquired the biggest reputation for choking on their own pole. That’s right, they’re a team with historical tendencies to choke, faulter, die, implode in the last quarter of the season, playoff game and Super Bowl.

  63. Charles Wood says: May 21, 2010 4:52 PM

    Hey Chickenshit… you must have gotten sand in your vagina. Glad to see my post inspired you to right a book full of retards, shit stains and morons. You resemble someone who’s been bullied their whole life. Oh yea… you’re a “BiQueens” fan. Sorry to stir up bad memories!
    p.s. maybe your pathetic life would take a turn for the good if you appologized to Jesus for calling Him a “quintessential idiot”.

  64. Charles Wood says: May 21, 2010 5:02 PM

    chickenragnar the 3rd = douche nozzled asshat.
    If your gonna resort to name calling- be original!

  65. DailyNorseman says: May 21, 2010 6:39 PM

    “DailyNorseman… you’ll shut you’re mouth unless spoken to you hairy buffoon.”
    Fan of a second-place team that’s Minnesota’s bitch says what?

  66. WHODAT says: May 21, 2010 7:19 PM

    @ pdizzle How can you call another team a fluke team??? Vikqueens have never won a SUPER BOWL… Please never talk again.
    Fluke teams don’t win the SUPER BOWL….
    However FLUKE teams do throw a pick in the 4th to choke yet again at another chance to win a SUPER BOWL…. FLUKE teams also turn the ball over 6 times hahahahahaha….
    VIKQUEENS ARE TERRIBLE!!!!

  67. chickenragnar the 3rd says: May 21, 2010 8:40 PM

    Charles Wood says:
    May 21, 2010 4:52 PM
    Hey Chickenshit… you must have gotten sand in your vagina. Glad to see my post inspired you to right a book full of retards, shit stains and morons. You resemble someone who’s been bullied their whole life. Oh yea… you’re a “BiQueens” fan. Sorry to stir up bad memories!
    p.s. maybe your pathetic life would take a turn for the good if you appologized to Jesus for calling Him a “quintessential idiot”.
    ================================
    Seriously, this is your retort? That’s just turrible.
    I’m done with you. I actually feel sorry for you, you aren’t even worth trying to argue with.
    ——————————————–
    Charles Wood says:
    May 21, 2010 5:02 PM
    chickenragnar the 3rd = douche nozzled asshat.
    If your gonna resort to name calling- be original!
    =================================
    Really. You think that is original?
    Douche is not, been used several times.
    Asshat. Not even close. If i remember right, you won one of my asshat of the week awards.
    I guess I can give you nozzled though.
    Nice job.
    you dutchruddering felcher you.

  68. jimicos says: May 21, 2010 11:35 PM

    http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/jimicos/Football/pat_kevin.jpg

  69. jimicos says: May 21, 2010 11:40 PM

    sand0 says:
    May 21, 2010 3:44 PM
    You screwed up and got caught.
    ————————
    Which is precisely why the NFL lost their court case. Wait, what?

  70. moezilla says: May 24, 2010 7:59 PM

    @WHODAT
    I’ve been a Vikings fan for about 20 years now and was wondering why it took you so long to realize that Minnesota was one of the most snake-bitten, FLUKE franchises in history?
    I was really confused when I heard that after only one off-season removed from winning their first Super Bowl, the WHODAT nation has begun claiming that their Saints are the greatest franchise in NFL history.
    That this team for the ages, BARELY squeaked by the biggest choke artist, fluke, insert homosexual insult here, team in the NFL, in OT, at HOME?
    I’ll let you figure this one out on your own. By the way, I was wondering if you could hook me up for next year’s NFC championship. When my fluke, choke artist Vikings lose a close one in OT to the eventual SB champs, I’ll need something much stronger than the case of Bud I guzzled last year.
    Vicodin much???

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