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Raiders seem to have a flimsy case against JaMarcus Russell

On Thursday, Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reported that the Raiders hope to recover $9.55 million from quarterback JaMarcus Russell.  In support of their position, the team contends that his “contract was changed” at some point during his three-year career, and that he’s not permitted to retain all of the money he received prior to being cut.

Per a league source, the Raiders are referring to a February 25, 2009 renegotiation of Russell’s contract.  The contract revision resulted in the Raiders exercising a $3.44 million “supersede signing bonus,” converting future base guarantees to a lump sum, and guaranteeing his 2009 base salary and escalator, apparently in order to ensure that a $3 million base salary guarantee in 2010 would remain valid in the uncapped year.

Nothing we’ve seen suggests that the Raiders acquired as of February 25, 2009 the right to recover money already paid to Russell.  As far as we can tell, any salary advances he received came from future guaranteed salaries.  Thus, he had a right to the money regardless of whether he was on the team or not.

If anything, agent Eric Metz was wise to insist on getting the guaranteed salaries paid in the form of an advance, since the Raiders potentially would have been tempted to not pay Russell any future guaranteed base salaries, forcing him to chase down the money like Lane Kiffin and/or Mike Shanahan.

Teams have limited vehicles for recovering money that has been paid, especially when it was otherwise guaranteed.  Future guaranteed payments can be voided if, for example, the player is suspended.  The specific language of the contract, considered in conjunction with the terms and interpretations of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, ultimately will determine whether the Raiders have a leg to stand on.  Based on the information currently available, it appears that they don’t.

The effort to recoup the money makes their decision not to cut Russell before an early May mandatory minicamp less confusing.  Apparently, the Raiders were hoping he would say or do something that would bolster the case they already intended to make for a partial recovery of the money he was paid.

In the end, he was cut for one reason — because he stunk.  His contract contained no requirement that he not stink.  The Raiders saw fit to make him the top pick in the 2007 draft, and then to give him all that money based only on potential.  If anything, their effort to get money back from Russell serves only to underscore the stupidity of the decision to draft him in the first place.

But when the emperor is willing to listen to no one who might tell him he’s riding bareback with a bare butt, stuff like this tends to happen.

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  1. Franchise says: May 28, 2010 9:42 PM

    The poor Raiders.
    First they draft this stiff, then they look even more foolish by trying to look tough and try to take guaranteed money back from the guy.
    The organization will be reduced to ashes if Al keeps making decisions for them.

  2. Raider3:16 says: May 28, 2010 9:43 PM

    I guess you will find out like the NFL, Rozelle, his former partners, the city of Irwindale, City of Oakland

  3. aikmanhasatroutmouth says: May 28, 2010 9:48 PM

    Florio, none of the draft numbnuts had Russell labeled as future bust.
    Furthermore, remember when Gallery was labeled the “safest pick” in the draft his year.
    He turned out to be a very solid 5th rounder.
    It’s all a crap shoot and the rookies wage scale is the culprit here and will continue to be until it’s flushed away like JaWalrus…..

  4. robert ethen says: May 28, 2010 9:49 PM

    If they have no legal grounds they can always try nagging him for the money back. That’s what I do when the tranny goes on the clunker I bought after the third day.

  5. El Perro says: May 28, 2010 9:54 PM

    Raiders are FLIMSY period! Haha the lions have more wins than these guys and Detroit was winless in 08!!!! No matter who the qb, these guys will continue to suck

  6. AcidSoda says: May 28, 2010 9:58 PM

    A complete and utter bust. Davis, JaMarcus conned you good. Only to think the money you can swindle from a sports orginization for only having a strong arm.

  7. Ravenmuscle says: May 28, 2010 10:00 PM

    Da Raidaahs….will Da Stinko….as long as Da Davis owns the team.
    He’s a senile old fool.

  8. Poopypants says: May 28, 2010 10:02 PM

    Whomever was drafting first that year was taking Jamarcus,…its not on Oakland, its on Jamarcus,..he is a shameful man with zero pride…Oakland should go after all the money, not just a portion of it.

  9. MrNatural says: May 28, 2010 10:05 PM

    Raiders seem to have a flimsy owner and coach. Cable should be sharing a bunk with Russell.

  10. PurpleNGold says: May 28, 2010 10:08 PM

    this cryptkeeper dude came in, said he bought a jamarka something or other and wanted his money back, it was crazy man

  11. The Hogster says: May 28, 2010 10:08 PM

    Dear Raiders: Your money is gone.

  12. hemiduke78 says: May 28, 2010 10:09 PM

    the world would be a better place if there were no more lawyers….

  13. Ashley says: May 28, 2010 10:13 PM

    “But when the emperor is willing to listen to no one who might tell him he’s riding bareback with a bare butt, stuff like this tends to happen.”
    ——————–
    Must we conjure up such unpleasant imagery?

  14. Raiderguy says: May 28, 2010 10:15 PM

    You raider haters are so lame. Every post is the same al davis this al davis that what a joke this what a joke that. Go watch what not to wear or whatever you fools watch instead of rehashing the same jokes.

  15. rjgreen3 says: May 28, 2010 10:21 PM

    the nfl should file a law suit against the raiders for being sooo damn dumb……lmfao!!!!!!!!!! this time it’s al davis getting screwed by one of his former employee’s, instead of him screwing one of them!

  16. snnyjcbs says: May 28, 2010 10:26 PM

    Get real clown, who but an ass would be giving legal opinion without ever seeing the contract? You almost sound as stupid as Rozell did telling the City of Oakland do not worry the Raiders will not be going no place.
    The Raiders have never chased player money even from out right busts like D Hall and others. If the Raiders are going after the money they must think they have a right to. Last, a bum nobody like you, the master of the U-TUBE SPORTS DESK lol giving a man like Al Davis advice?, he pisses on people like you.

  17. I MURDER HOES/187403 says: May 28, 2010 10:29 PM

    Whoever was picking first WAS picking Russell. 10-2 his junior year and threw over 3000yds 28tds 8int. Even blew out ND in the Sugar Bowl. Had a decent combine, shit even had THE average wonderlic score for a QB (24).
    There was nothing to indicate, Jamarcus would turn out to be a bust at the age of 24. He even could be out of football after barely playing 3 years of it and pocketing nearly 40mil. The Raiders didn’t help the cause much by having internal turmoil but if you’re even a lil bit dedicated, you would fare better than Jamarcus.
    Who foresaw him being a sloth?

  18. alisgod says: May 28, 2010 10:34 PM

    Florio, apparently you dont know the Raiders and Al Davis in particular. I guarantee you the intention of Al Davis is to keep JR in litigation until JR cries uncle with all the expenses. Al Davis’ pocket is deeper than Jawalrus’ pocket. Al may have sucked at drafting but he has a great batting avg when it comes to lawsuits. Know your shytt and who you are dealing with when you talk about Al Davis and lawsuits.

  19. The Black Cat says: May 28, 2010 10:39 PM

    My claim against Russell for $9.55 million is more solid.

  20. Legend says: May 28, 2010 10:41 PM

    “Nothing we’ve seen suggests that the Raiders acquired as of February 25, 2009 the right to recover money already paid to Russell.”
    And then there’s all the stuff you haven’t seen.

  21. The Black Cat says: May 28, 2010 10:41 PM

    I had Jamarcus pegged as a bust the second after Oakland drafted him. I just didn’t realize he’d be so good at being a bust!

  22. NFLMMAfan says: May 28, 2010 10:58 PM

    Why would the Raiders even try given Florio’s legal analysis?
    Oh, wait, Florio based his legal opinion on “sources” and hasn’t seen the contract himself. Isn’t that malpractice?

  23. SpamRok says: May 28, 2010 10:59 PM

    So basically he must be shameful because he’s not good? I didn’t know football talent decided his worth as a human being.

  24. wxwax says: May 28, 2010 11:07 PM

    What I love about this is that it puts Al Davis in the same spot as the guys he’s dicking over, Shanahan and Kiffin.
    He doesn’t have the money, Russell does, and he’s not to likely to get his nasty mitts on it.
    Karma.

  25. The Black Cat says: May 28, 2010 11:09 PM

    Daniel Snyder says, “I want $9.55 million back from my worthless player too!”

  26. The Black Cat says: May 28, 2010 11:11 PM

    @SpamRok He’s shameful because he never put the effort in to try to be good, but happily cashed the check. People getting paid nothing put in more effort to keep their weight under 300 pounds!

  27. Hail2ThaRedskins says: May 28, 2010 11:36 PM

    For the couple of you who are saying that nobody forecast Russell to be a bust or that whoever had the number one pick was picking Russell…
    I would like to point out that the Raiders head coach at the time said he would be bust and did not want to draft him!!! This started the discontent between Davis and Kiffin. And Davis even blasted Kiffin on the way out the door saying that he was clueless and that JaMarcus was a great player.

  28. kejji says: May 28, 2010 11:48 PM

    Typical Al Davis ploy…he refused to honor Kiffin’s contract…he refused to honor Shanahan’s contract.
    How does this guy think he will ever attract top of the line coaches?

  29. Grimmlock42 says: May 28, 2010 11:56 PM

    This piece of shit didn’t deserve a fricken penny, but that guaranteed money is gone. I mean gone like this jackass already spent it. We needed a QB that year and this guy was predicted the best coming out of college. Just ask Mel Kiper. Kudos to Lane Kiffin for doing everything in his power to avoid drafting this guy. He saw what none of our scouts saw and Al should’ve listened.

  30. FumbleNuts says: May 29, 2010 12:02 AM

    And Davis even blasted Kiffin on the way out the door saying that he was clueless and that JaMarcus was a great player.
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

  31. Poopypants says: May 29, 2010 12:05 AM

    KOOLKELL,…are you aware you are being laughed at daily on the blog you are banned from?…lmao!!!! (By the way, IM the one who got you banned, by my friend Jerry) *wink* lmao

  32. ladybucs&steelersnut says: May 29, 2010 12:44 AM

    That last sentence is the classic Florio that keeps me coming back to this site – thanx for the laugh!
    Also, can someone please give Raiderguy a cookie?

  33. VoxVagina says: May 29, 2010 1:07 AM

    Okay Florio, I clearly remember JaMarcus being the best prospect available in his draft according to the experts. At first, it was a great decision. Then he turned out to be a fat lazy piece of crap. The Raiders desperately needed a QB, and it was either him or Brady Quinn at that point. By nnow, everyone knows that both players were busts (but Quinn has another chance to prove himself).
    My point is, don’t blast the Raiders for what was at the time a great decision. You can sound off all you want about the DHB pick and some of their other questionable picks like Michael Huff or Philip Buchanon, that’s fine. But JaMarcus was a lock to go #1. The draft is a hit or miss process, and I think that because it’s the Raiders we’re talking about, they get much more negative attention than another team wouldbe receiving if they drafted Russell #1

  34. Tdk24 says: May 29, 2010 1:53 AM

    Rat faced Shanahan got paid. Enough with that already.

  35. Raiders757 says: May 29, 2010 2:13 AM

    Does anyone ever bother to think that if the Raiders had no legal ground to take this action, they wouldn’t even bother in doing so? If they don’t the case will be dropped. If they do, I am curious as to what it is.

  36. Cambodian Breast Milk says: May 29, 2010 2:38 AM

    Oakland Raiders… “A Committment to being Horrible…in every way, shape and form.”

  37. rough_cutter says: May 29, 2010 2:53 AM

    you guys bashing Al sound so stupid. like you have any idea at all what the heck is goin on inside their organization or what the contract details are. does anybody think they would try to recoup some money if they didn’t have evidence proving they deserved it?

  38. claytonbigsby says: May 29, 2010 3:11 AM

    Sadly, the Raiders are going to have to go through what the Chicago Blackhawks experienced. Their owner had to die for them to go through a renaissance.

  39. LocoLizzard says: May 29, 2010 3:15 AM

    It’s nice to see all the hate! We’ll be back and people know it! That’s why they hate while they can! nobody hates on the other “SUCKY” teams, cuz they never had it! RAIDERS WILL BE BACK!!!!!!!!! And you know this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. Steve says: May 29, 2010 3:17 AM

    Hai2ThaRedskins…
    I would like to point out that not only did Todd McShay say that watching JaMarcus Russell’s pro day was the BEST pro day he had seen in his entire CAREER of scouting guys heading to the pros… But Mel Kiper said as JaMarcus was drafted to the Raiders “3 years from now, you could be looking at a guy who certainly is one of the elite top 5 QBs in this league”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubYpplmzVk
    No comments from anyone (even Kiper who is naming his possible downfalls) of anything in regards to work ethic, intelligence or leadership… This was a surprise to everyone… Whether you want to believe it or not is fine, but the FACT is that even EXPERTS expected Russell to be a future star in the NFL, act like the Raiders were idiots and no one thought that, but it’s simply not true.

  41. LocoLizzard says: May 29, 2010 3:18 AM

    You know it’s sad when other fans have to come here to hate because noone has a loyal following like the Black Beast. All Raider blogs are full. You can’t say that about any other team. Right?

  42. Steve W. says: May 29, 2010 4:34 AM

    snnyjcbs, not saying you are one, but that comment has you sounding like an idiot. I’m all for loyalty (can’t stand bandwagon “fans”), but blind loyalty is just ridiculous. Never allow yourself to confuse reality with what you want to be true. Your entire post is one long homer rant. Whether you want to admit it or not, Florio hit the nail right on the head this time. The Raiders may not have a history of chasing money, but Al certainly has a history of firing people and then refusing to pay guaranteed money that is still owed under the terms of the contract. In this case, he made the mistake of paying the man before he cut him. Had he cut them first, then it would be Russell suing to get his money (he’d have a much better case). Even going by what the Raiders have said, all they did was advance him money that was already guaranteed. That means they would be legally obligated to pay Russell that money even after they cut him. Apparently, however, Al is making the “I want to stiff this guy and not pay him what I’m contractually obligated to, so please make him give back the money so I can refuse to pay him in the future” argument. Not a compelling legal argument. I’ll be the first to admit that Russell is an absolute bust. I’ll also admit that he lacked the ambition or work ethic to succeed. Unfortunately for Al, however, the contract guaranteed Russell the money straight up. They money wasn’t put in the contract as performance based bonuses. As such, all Russell had to do to “earn” that money was show up and be willing to play. Had Russell refused to show up, or not been able to because he was in jail, then the Raiders would have a legal leg to stand on. That’s not the case here, however.

  43. Steve W. says: May 29, 2010 4:37 AM

    # I MURDER HOES/187403 says: May 28, 2010 10:29 PM
    Whoever was picking first WAS picking Russell. 10-2 his junior year and threw over 3000yds 28tds 8int. Even blew out ND in the Sugar Bowl. Had a decent combine, shit even had THE average wonderlic score for a QB (24).
    There was nothing to indicate, Jamarcus would turn out to be a bust at the age of 24. He even could be out of football after barely playing 3 years of it and pocketing nearly 40mil. The Raiders didn’t help the cause much by having internal turmoil but if you’re even a lil bit dedicated, you would fare better than Jamarcus.
    Who foresaw him being a sloth?
    ______________________________
    Nothing indicating he’d be a bust? I remember hearing people question his work ethic and training routine before the draft. Mayock especially had his doubts about that.

  44. Steve W. says: May 29, 2010 4:56 AM

    alisgod (the antichrist maybe, but not god),
    You have no idea what you’re talking about. Al’s legal tactics have never really changed. He does what he wants (regardless of any contract he signs) and then drags the case out in court when someone sues. In this case, however, it’s not an issue of someone trying to get money from Al, it’s Al trying to get back guaranteed money from someone else. In other words, the shoe is firmly on the other foot here. Al can drag this out in court all he wants, but all that means in that he’ll probably pass away before the case is resolved. At which point, whoever takes over ownership of the Raiders will then drop the case because they realize it’s hopeless and only makes them look ridiculous. As for making Russell give in because of court costs, there are two very good reasons that won’t happen.
    1. Russell’s court costs will not exceed $9.55 million, which is what Al is asking for. As the plaintiff, it’s Al who has to spend a whole lot more money to try and make a case. Russell’s lawyer just needs to go into court and point out how ridiculous various arguments are. Less time means less expense.
    2. Given the fact that Al is suing to recover guaranteed money for no real cause (and no, being a bust is not a legal cause), Russell’s lawyers can simply ask that the Raiders be made responsible for all legal costs (including Russell’s) since they filed a frivolous lawsuit. Heck, even if they don’t actually ask for it, the judge can order it.
    Al loses this one because he has no legal basis for his position (not exactly new for Al) and because he already paid out the money (not normally something Al does before he fires someone).
    Finally, as a Raiders fan, not only should you not want Al to win, you shouldn’t want him to file this lawsuit. Al already found out the hard way that you’re not going to be able to get a well respected, experienced coach when you have a track record of refusing to pay your coaches what you owe them. Now, Al is trying to do the same thing with a player. What decent FA (one with options) is going to want to sign with the Raiders knowing that Al just might try to stiff him and not pay him what’s guaranteed in his contract. Obviously you’re a homer, but rooting for Al in this case is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. You’re so blindly loyal to the franchise that you can’t see the cliff that Al is running it off of here. Face it, Al messed up drafting Russell and giving him that contract. He’s already paid for that mistake. The best thing now would be for him to move on and simply learn from this lesson.

  45. LateNightRoach says: May 29, 2010 6:40 AM

    I’d want a refund too. What a waste of money.

  46. irishsamurai says: May 29, 2010 7:23 AM

    im not sure,but cant this be Al Davis knowshe cant win,that he just wants russell to have to waste a bunch of money on lawyers,and maybe now he wants to wwaste russell’s time

  47. zoinks says: May 29, 2010 7:29 AM

    Raiderguy says:You raider haters are so lame. Every post is the same al davis this al davis that what a joke this what a joke that. Go watch what not to wear or whatever you fools watch instead of rehashing the same jokes.
    Wait a second…..are you talking about some of the comments here?
    Or are your words directed at Al Davis and the Raiders scouting department and their draft-day jokes?

  48. Big Tex says: May 29, 2010 7:30 AM

    Al can whine and sue all he wants. Russell’s lawyers will show the tape of Al standing next to his overhead projector talking about what a great QB Jamarcus is going to be and about how Kiffin needs to “get over it”. Then they will shut up, sit down, and Al will lose.

  49. rangersleadtheway says: May 29, 2010 7:38 AM

    rjgreen3 says:
    May 28, 2010 10:21 PM
    the nfl should file a law suit against the raiders for being sooo damn dumb……lmfao!!!!!!!!!!
    ———————————
    um.. dude.. this wasn’t that funny…

  50. Terry says: May 29, 2010 7:49 AM

    They probably filed the grievance hoping that Russell will simply walk away from the 3 Mill. thats still owed him for 2010, though they don’t have a leg to stand on.

  51. steelerfan9598 says: May 29, 2010 8:16 AM

    They blew the pick, he blew the money. End of story.

  52. I_Hate_Yams says: May 29, 2010 8:21 AM

    As a Charger fan, I want to sue to get Russell back on the Raider roster and under center for the first snap in the first game.

  53. MosesZD says: May 29, 2010 8:27 AM

    Florio, none of the draft numbnuts had Russell labeled as future bust.
    WRONG. He was labeled fat and uninterested in football showing a decided lack of work ethic. Anybody stupid enough to throw money at a pig should expect those results…

  54. Schnitzel says: May 29, 2010 8:38 AM

    It is not only my hope that Jamarcus Russell wins this lawsuit but he counter sues Al Davis & the Raiders for Job Related Stress from working in the hostile work environment called the Raiders.
    This is just what the league needs an owner who believes guaranteed money is not guaranteed. Why should any player sign a contract with guaranteed money that the team can claw back? Al Davis is not only incompetent in his old age he is also foolish.

  55. Trips Right, 68 Slant, D Slant says: May 29, 2010 8:47 AM

    Shazam!!
    You fiends can not get enough of that Silver & Black dick.
    I know…. They say “once you go……… you can never go…….”
    Chuckle…..
    Have a nice miserable time watching us host the 2010 playoffs (yes Jim E. Mora…. playoffs).
    ‘Nation……

  56. alewatcher says: May 29, 2010 8:58 AM

    # Steve W. says: May 29, 2010 4:37 AM
    # I MURDER HOES/187403 says: May 28, 2010 10:29 PM
    Whoever was picking first WAS picking Russell. 10-2 his junior year and threw over 3000yds 28tds 8int. Even blew out ND in the Sugar Bowl. Had a decent combine, shit even had THE average wonderlic score for a QB (24).
    There was nothing to indicate, Jamarcus would turn out to be a bust at the age of 24. He even could be out of football after barely playing 3 years of it and pocketing nearly 40mil. The Raiders didn’t help the cause much by having internal turmoil but if you’re even a lil bit dedicated, you would fare better than Jamarcus.
    Who foresaw him being a sloth?
    ______________________________
    Nothing indicating he’d be a bust? I remember hearing people question his work ethic and training routine before the draft. Mayock especially had his doubts about that.
    ————————-
    Exactly right. Mike Mayock said outright that the only thing standing in Russell’s way was Russell himself. JaCarcus has the talent, but once he got paid, any effort on his part to learn his craft was gone.

  57. Rasta says: May 29, 2010 9:00 AM

    Jerry needs to take Al’s lead and get all his money back for “OL’ ROY”

  58. poonhok says: May 29, 2010 9:03 AM

    There were numerous indications that Russell was lazy and not very smart.
    No scout was going to push the issue for fear of being called racist.
    Russell has singlehandedly destroyed the fantasy of the “athletic” Quarterback being a success in the NFL….

  59. NFLMMAfan says: May 29, 2010 10:04 AM

    @ Steve W.
    You seem to be a bright guy but have you personally read JaMarcus contract? And the ammendment?
    Don’t underestimate Al’s determination to punish JaMarcus for being a total dick and not really showing up for work.

  60. Junior says: May 29, 2010 10:24 AM

    You fools can argue over who thought Russell would be a bust and who didn’t all you want. The fact remains that if it wasn’t the Raiders who drafted Russell, it would have been the Browns at #3. The Browns have said as much.
    And leave Shanahan out of your “Al has a history…” diatribes. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about and are just spouting what you’ve heard in the past. Davis doesn’t owe Shanahan crap. Davis gave Shanahan a loan based on future earnings, it had nothing to do with the contract or guarantees what so ever. As didn’t pay rat face because rat face never paid back the loan.

  61. BUNYAN says: May 29, 2010 10:26 AM

    In hind sight the Raiders were stupid to draft Russell. However, they were not stupid to draft Russell at the time of the 2007 draft. Almost all of the experts had Russell as the best quarterback in the draft. Mel Kiper had him as the 4th best player in the entire draft. We all know that there are no guarantees that any player will turn out to be great after they are drafted. What is ridiculous is for you to call the Raiders stupid for drafting the no.1 rated quarterback in the 2007 draft. In hind sight they made the wrong decision, but not at the time of the draft. All NFL teams have made poor choices with thei draft picks over the years. It’s a crap shoot.

  62. BUNYAN says: May 29, 2010 10:32 AM

    Unless you have read the actual contract, you can not say that the Raiders chances of recovering $9.55 million dollars from Russell are slim. Davis is not stupid and he would not bother filing a grievance if he thought he had little chance of winning. I hope he gets back as much cash as he can from Russell.

  63. Raiders757 says: May 29, 2010 11:34 AM

    # The Black Cat says: May 28, 2010 10:41 PM
    I had Jamarcus pegged as a bust the second after Oakland drafted him. I just didn’t realize he’d be so good at being a bust!
    ————————————————–
    I had him pegged a a bust before the draft. I was pissed when Al drafted him. Word out of LSU was that he had to be pushed and propped up by the coaches and the team. He was considered a third round prospect until the hype machine took hold. Still, the so called “experts” had him pegged as a top five pick right before the draft, so it’s funny reading all the comments by the Raider bashing idiot convention. Most of these chumps probably thought Russell was a going to be a great QB when he was drafted, so they have no room to talk.
    @ Steve W: Since you think you know so much about Russell’s contract, I would assume you’ve actually read it? Can you send all of us a copy so we can make our own assumption as well? Like I mentioned mid page. I am sure there is something the Raiders lawyers have seen, that makes them think they have a case. Considering they know more about these things than you, Florio, and Jason Cole combined, I’ll take their word over yours.
    @ Junior: You are correct, but all the Raider hating morons refuse to learn the facts when it comes to Al Davis and Shanahan. It just doesn’t fit their agenda to know the truth. Every time one of them brings the Shanahan non-issue up, it proves just how stupid they really are, and how little they dig for details. They’re sheep, who buy into anything their told.
    Same with the Kiffin situation. The Raiders don’t owe him a dime. He was fired for cause, which negates the contract and anything he was owed.

  64. the real deal says: May 29, 2010 11:50 AM

    First of all, I knew JaMarcus would be a huge bust and predicted it! I have always said how terrible Culpepper is and how over-rated Fatpepper was, And how J-fatass Russell was a poor mans Culstinker, and since Culstinky was already amongst the worst, it was obvious J-fatass would stink too….
    Forget the media hype you fools, go spend some time in Vegas and you will realize anyone with cash, and who knows the game always knew Culstench was horrid,
    Also I think J-fatass should pay Lane Kiffin the money Kiffin is due, and with the left over cash throw himself a biggest bust in the history of the world party……

  65. AutumnWind999 says: May 29, 2010 11:58 AM

    “In the end, he was cut for one reason — because he stunk. His contract contained no requirement that he not stink. The Raiders saw fit to make him the top pick in the 2007 draft, and then to give him all that money based only on potential. If anything, their effort to get money back from Russell serves only to underscore the stupidity of the decision to draft him in the first place.
    But when the emperor is willing to listen to no one who might tell him he’s riding bareback with a bare butt, stuff like this tends to happen.”
    ——-
    I love how after the fact everyone acts like they knew Russell was going to be a bust, but at the time of the 2007 draft about 90% of analysts said he should be the No. 1 pick. But now these same clowns who said to take Russell No. 1 are like “oh those crazy, silly, stubborn Raiders just don’t listen to anyone.”
    If DHB turns out to be a bust I’d be fine with the media rubbing the Raiders’ faces in that one since they ripped the pick at the time. But ripping them for picking Russell is completely phony. Incidentally, the Raiders were also ripped for picking Nnamdi in the 1st round several years ago. Analysts said he was a 3rd or 4th round talent. Funny how they don’t talk much about that one now.

  66. edgy1957 says: May 29, 2010 12:10 PM

    I can’t help but laugh at some of you so-called experts who are trying to rewrite history about Russell. EVERYONE – including your precious Mayock (“JaMarcus Russell’s ceiling is as high as any quarterback I have seen coming out of college since John Elway”) raved about him before AND after the draft. They ALL said that he had the best pro day of any QB that they’ve ever seen (Yes, EVEN your precious Mayock). Most of you that claim that you knew are just plain liars but you’ll never admit that. The funny thing is that there’s this thing that they invented called the Internet that allows us to look up what all these so-called experts said and they can’t hide behind their lies.
    The Raiders made their beds and now they need to lie in it and move on. Al messed up from Day 1 and he has no one else to blame but he sure as hell tries.

  67. HC says: May 29, 2010 12:11 PM

    Raiders757 says:
    May 29, 2010 2:13 AM
    Does anyone ever bother to think that if the Raiders had no legal ground to take this action, they wouldn’t even bother in doing so? If they don’t the case will be dropped. If they do, I am curious as to what it is.
    = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
    Agree 100%. Right now both Raider fans and Raider haters, and anyone that might be in between are all just speculating in regards to the wording of the contract.
    If Davis re-worded the contract when it was renegotiated in February 2009 in such a manner that he could recover this money, then he’s a genius. Even among NFL owners, $10 million is still a whole lot of cash. And if that is the case, then Russell should turn around and sue his own lawyers that gave him the okay to re-sign that new contract for negligence and malpractice. Given where his career was at that point, the number one priority for Russell’s lawyers should have been protecting the guaranteed money.

  68. HC says: May 29, 2010 12:22 PM

    LocoLizzard says:
    May 29, 2010 3:18 AM
    You know it’s sad when other fans have to come here to hate because noone has a loyal following like the Black Beast. All Raider blogs are full. You can’t say that about any other team. Right?
    = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
    Wrong.
    Get over yourself. Believe it or not the world doesn’t revolve around your team. One of the biggest reasons fans of other teams hate another team, or fans of that other team, is arrogant comments like that. Plenty of other teams have just as loyal, or more loyal of a following as the Raiders, and plenty of other fan team sites are just as popular or more popular than Raider fan sites.
    People are reading and commenting on the Russell case because it’s an interesting topic in the middle of the slowest part of the offseason. Trust me, it has nothing to do with how large or small or loyal a following the Raiders have.

  69. OntBoltFan says: May 29, 2010 12:41 PM

    Aside from Jmac , Al has squandered fortunes on Javon Walker, Gibril Wilson, Deangelo Hall, Randy Moss and on and on.
    His moves in the past seemed out of desperation instead of any sensible planning and the result is the team reeked every year.
    Winning a few court cases doesn’t distract you from this fact.

  70. Raiders757 says: May 29, 2010 4:04 PM

    I have to admit, I can’t argue with that one bit OntBoltFan. Winning on the field is where it’s at, which is something the Raiders haven’t done as of late.

  71. Raiders757 says: May 29, 2010 4:16 PM

    edgy1957 says: May 29, 2010 12:10 PM
    I can’t help but laugh at some of you so-called experts who are trying to rewrite history about Russell. EVERYONE – including your precious Mayock (“JaMarcus Russell’s ceiling is as high as any quarterback I have seen coming out of college since John Elway”) raved about him before AND after the draft. They ALL said that he had the best pro day of any QB that they’ve ever seen (Yes, EVEN your precious Mayock). Most of you that claim that you knew are just plain liars but you’ll never admit that. The funny thing is that there’s this thing that they invented called the Internet that allows us to look up what all these so-called experts said and they can’t hide behind their lies.
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    I call your bluff there buddy. I’m no liar. I’m record on quite a few message boards saying I didn’t think he was a first round prospect before the draft. I’m also on record showing my displeasure on those same boards, after the Raiders drafted him.
    People like you don’t seem to pay attention to the whole picture. I knew who he was two years before he was drafted, and watched him play when I had a chance. I also listened to the LSU faithful express concern in his dedication to the team long before he became a Raider. There were well known issues with him long before the combine and the ND bowl game. They got brushed under the rug by a clever propaganda movement, but it almost got blown out by him showing up out of shape to the combine. Yes, he had a great pro day workout, and sadly it blinded not only people like yourself, but the so called “experts” as well.
    Yes, Mayock did say Russell’s pro day was one of the best he ever saw. for some reason you choose to ignore where Mayock also said that there is a question about Russell’s dedication to football. He said it right after the Raiders rafted him. He wasn’t the only one who questioned this either, so it goes both ways there fella.
    The majority thought he was going to be great. Some of us thought he wasn’t, so get over it.

  72. edgy1957 says: May 29, 2010 5:44 PM

    Raiders757 says: May 29, 2010 4:16 PM
    I call your bluff there buddy. I’m no liar. I’m record on quite a few message boards saying I didn’t think
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    1. Prove it.
    2. If you had paid any attention, you’d see that I laugh at the Combine AND Pro days, especially for QBs.
    3. Gee, you must be the only person in America who actually watches college football. PUHLEEZE. The best part about being in Oklahoma is that I get to see ALL the different conferences so I miss very little that goes on and because of the Internet, I can see the schools in the lower classifications.
    4. Everyone (but supposedly YOU) that saw his film were impressed by him.
    Look, for a guy that is so lazy, he started for 2 years (and would have started as a senior) and got significant playing time as a freshmen and he kept Flynn off the field when he was healthy. You’ll have to pardon me for saying this but if he was so lazy then Flynn must have been one hell of a sloth. The Raiders screwed up big time by not signing him early AND NOT hiring a REAL QB coach AND undercutting the authority of Kiffin and Cable.
    Also, let’s not forget that he regressed last year and he actually had a pretty decent second season AFTER they finally settled the receiver situation.

  73. OntBoltFan says: May 30, 2010 2:55 PM

    Actually in all fairness OAK’s slide has only been of recent and I’m sure they will be back. They were in in the SB not too long ago (2003?).
    Al had some misses but he also had some nice finds like Michael Bush, Kirk Morrison and Chaz Schillens along with decent high round draft picks like Darin McFadden, Zach Miller and Louis Murphy.
    They added 2 great tackles and had a solid draft this year, one of the best of all teams IMO.
    I could see them winning most of their home games this year with Campbell and a good running game behind that rebuilt line.

  74. Raiders757 says: May 30, 2010 5:34 PM

    @ edgy1957
    Geez, don’t take things so personal. I’m sorry to tell you, but there is a minority of us who didn’t want the Raiders to draft him, and saw beyond the hype. Do you really want me to go searching through KFFL and 20 other Raider boards to find posts I made back in 2007? That’s just ridiculous.
    Also, what does living in Oklahoma have to do with anything? I see your point, but thanks to the internet, I would say we’re all on an even playing field. Mind you, I do live in ACC country, so we do get a large tilt of games for that conference. Still, I can go on the internet and stream any game I can find. This issue is irrelevant though. I have interest in LSU due to my families Cajun background, even though I’m a fan of UVA and William & Mary.
    The fact of the matter is this. I watched Russell play. I listened to what was being said for two years by his coaches, teammates, and classmates. I made a judgment, and I was right. I didn’t want my team to draft hime. They did. I got pissed off. Simple as that.
    Despite not wanting Al Davis to draft him, I still pulled for him, as he wore the silver & black. The last thing I wanted to do, was tell his supporters that “I told you so”. I judged him correctly from the information I was provided. Just because I’m right, it’s not something I’m proud of. Still, to call those of us who saw all of this coming, liars, is out of line. He was judged as a risky pick with a huge upside. That should tell you, that yes, there were some of us who didn’t buy into the hype.
    There were red flags with him. He should have been a third or fourth round prospect, which he was, until the hype machine took control. His numbers in collage are misleading, as he benefited more from the system than the system benefited from him. It was reported that he didn’t have a firm grasp on the starting QB position as well. Even worse, it was reported that his team mates and coaches had to push him along to do what it took to succeed an NCAA level(aka, he had babysitters).
    I don’t care what you think, but the NFL combine is basically a job interview for the NFL. Russell proved the naysayers right when he showed up out of shape. That’s like showing up for a job interview in a wife beater, cut off shorts, and drunk as far as I’m concerned.
    I’m with you in the opinion of pro days for QB’s. The thing is, Russell’s pro day impressed people so much, they forgot about all his other faults. He shot up the prospect board after that(combined with the bowl game against a weak ND team). Everyone was blinded by his big arm, and forgot about his actual football knowledge and leadership ability. Those two things are a huge issue in my assessment of a college QB prospect. Hence the reason why I knew Russell shouldn’t have been drafted that high. He ever displayed either one of those intangibles at LSU.
    Call me what you will, but I’m no liar. Like I said, I was pissed when Al Davis drafted him.

  75. Raiders757 says: May 30, 2010 5:48 PM

    Whoops, forgot to comment on this.
    “AND NOT hiring a REAL QB coach”
    You do realize that the Raiders hired two of the better QB coaches in the league in Paul Hackett and Ted Tollner.
    Your posting that, proves you have no clue as to what your arguing about, and it’s probably best you just STFU.
    I’ll also point out that Cable’s authority has never been undercut. I’ll give you Kiffin, but mind you, that issue was over Russell. Kiffin didn’t want Al to draft him. Bringing him up in this discussion proves my point. Yes, there are some of us who thought Russell wasn’t going to live up to the pre-draft hype. I guess, according you, Kiffin is the only person in the world who thought Russell wasnt’ a first round draft prospect. The rest of us are just liars.

  76. Randall says: May 31, 2010 7:32 AM

    Can’t they just “best interest of the league” Al Davis’ ass out of Oakland?

  77. granadafan says: Jun 1, 2010 5:44 PM

    rough_cutter says:
    May 29, 2010 2:53 AM
    you guys bashing Al sound so stupid. like you have any idea at all what the heck is goin on inside their organization or what the contract details are. does anybody think they would try to recoup some money if they didn’t have evidence proving they deserved it?
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    Just because you file a lawsuit, doesn’t mean it’s not frivolous or that you can go outside the contract.
    Here’s a history of Al’s lawsuits against the league and everyone else.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/147408-just-sue-baby

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