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Jay Feely wades into Arizona immigration debate

ap-jay-feely-04-02-10jpg-64969f92f954df12_large.jpgArizona has been at the eye of the immigration storm of late, thanks to a widely-debated new law that criminalizes the failure to carry immigration documents and gives police broad power to detain anyone suspected of being in the country
illegally
.  Many support it, many have criticized it.

(Personally, I have no position on the matter.  I’m just glad the coal mines and steel mills needed employees in the early 1900s, and that not enough of the people already living in America were willing to do the job.  Otherwise, I’d likely be dancing on a large vat of grapes somewhere right now.)

Kicker Jay Feely, who signed in the offseason with the Cardinals and who has violated the first rule of political aspirations by talking openly about his political aspirations, recently suggested that he agrees with the measure.

“I think that a lot of people have put it on Arizona and talked in a derogatory manner about the state, but the reality is that the federal government has failed to address the situation,” Feely told The Matt Minkus Show, via TusconCitizen.com.  “And because they haven’t addressed the situation, because the politicians and presidents have not stepped in to a difficult situation because they’re scared of it, then they leave it to the four or five states that are dramatically impacted by the problem to then try to find a solution.  I think that’s what the state of Arizona is doing, saying ‘we have a problem, we have an undue burden because we have illegals that come over that place a burden on our schools systems, that place a burden on our health-care system, on our police force, and we have to find a solution and our federal government hasn’t done that.’  And they’ve failed the states in doing what they should have done, and that’s finding a comprehensive solution.  Because I don’t think you can make small decisions and correct a big problem.”

On this Memorial Day, it’s important to remember that all of the men and women who ever died for our country did so to help preserve our ability to articulate opinions and each and every issue on which we choose to opine.  So Feely’s words are a testament to the sacrifices that they made. 

But there’s an important business reality at play here.  Feely, as an employee of the local football team headquartered in Arizona, has publicly taken a side on an extremely polarizing issue.  For a guy who plays one of the most fungible positions in football, it’s a move that was either incredibly brave, or incredibly stupid.

Or maybe a little — or a lot — of both.

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  1. jibfest says: May 31, 2010 6:55 PM

    Jay Feely is the man for this. He is absolutely correct that the Federal government has failed to enforce the laws.
    If Bush tried to do ANYTHING he would have been torn apart by the disgusting liberal media. Obama is cozying right up to the latinos to ensure him and his criminals can steal for four more years.
    Make this a national law. If you disagree with the laws, give me three facts to back up your opinion. Telling someone they are racist because they don’t want 13 million illegals won’t work anymore. We have tuned a deaf ear to that tactic.

  2. PULL&SEAL says: May 31, 2010 6:55 PM

    Extremely polarizing issue? Actually about 75% of people agree with Mr. Feely, while it’s obvious you don’t Florio, don’t suggest he’s “incredibly stupid” for wanting to enforce the laws in this country.

  3. DemocratsAreStupid says: May 31, 2010 6:57 PM

    Jay Feely just became my favorite kicker in the league

  4. Patsfan1776 says: May 31, 2010 6:59 PM

    Florio,
    70% of people in Arizona agree with the law which is good since it is a law that is on the books and enforced in EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
    Please name for me one country that allows you to enter and if stopped by law enforcement, you are not required to show identification. It doesn’t exist.
    It is complete crap that people in high positions in this country consider the AZ law to be “polarizing.”

  5. bcb171 says: May 31, 2010 6:59 PM

    I, honest to God, wish there was a better connected website out there, in which i could spend my time looking at recent nfl news/rumors. Seriously, if one comes out I will surely never ever look at this site again. Youre a hypocrite florio. Every singe time anything comes up politically you always put your spin on it. At least Feely sounds educated doing so. And yes id vote for Feely with the few statements that he had on this issue.

  6. Dave says: May 31, 2010 7:02 PM

    Many don’t support this bill, MOST support this bill.

  7. Winston Wolfe says: May 31, 2010 7:02 PM

    Immigration for Dummies
    1. Florio you ended up here legally.
    2. Florio you were not from Yemen, Pakistan, Syria, N Korea, Iran, Iraq or other known state sponsored terrorist nations crossing the Mexican/US border illegally. One thing if it was just Mexicans but it is not.
    3. Like all the other Libtards Florio hasn’t read the law either. If he had he wouldn’t have used the term, “Broad Powers” and would know that racial profiling is illegal even in Arizona.
    4. Florio is a troll on Feely’s butt but because Florio is a libby he had to break the same rule he accused Feely of breaking because Florio is a troll. This is a NON Story.

  8. andyb513 says: May 31, 2010 7:02 PM

    He was cut from Miami for having too many opinions and being unafraid to state them, so it wouldn’t be unprecedented if Arizona decides that they don’t want to deal with the baggage. That he is playing under a cheap contract makes it even more likely that they will cut him if too much controversy is generated.

  9. Winston Wolfe says: May 31, 2010 7:03 PM

    Immigration for Dummies
    1. Florio you ended up here legally.
    2. Florio you were not from Yemen, Pakistan, Syria, N Korea, Iran, Iraq or other known state sponsored terrorist nations crossing the Mexican/US border illegally. One thing if it was just Mexicans but it is not.
    3. Like all the other Libtards Florio hasn’t read the law either. If he had he wouldn’t have used the term, “Broad Powers” and would know that racial profiling is illegal even in Arizona.
    4. Florio is a troll on Feely’s butt but because Florio is a libby he had to break the same rule he accused Feely of breaking because Florio is a troll. This is a NON Story.

  10. aj says: May 31, 2010 7:07 PM

    If I get stopped by the highway patrol, what’s the first thing I’m asked? Drivers license and registration, please.
    As far as profiling, I encourage people to read the bill before commenting.
    Get legal and you are most welcome. Refuse, and risk the consequences.

  11. snnyjcbs says: May 31, 2010 7:07 PM

    The Law does not let them stop a person for believeing they are in the country illegally. Only after being in contact with a person that has broken the law can they if they suspect the person to be an illegal to ask for documentation that is required to be carried by all non Americans per Federal Law. Try to get your facts straight before spreading your misinformation. They use to have a book called the Ugly American, I think it is time for a new book called the Stupid American. People talking about a law that they have never even taken the time to read and giving opinions on it, just stupid.

  12. DonTerrelli says: May 31, 2010 7:08 PM

    I don’t call that “taking a side”, I call that explaining what the gov’t of Arizona is trying to do. Bravo to him for saying it.

  13. BDMurrayJr says: May 31, 2010 7:09 PM

    Jay Feely is going to personally “kick” immigrants out

  14. boomer1110 says: May 31, 2010 7:13 PM

    I realize it’s a slippery slope for an athlete to voice an opinion about political matters, but I’m glad he did.

  15. dustindmw says: May 31, 2010 7:14 PM

    I think his assessment of the situation is actually a really well thought out response, props to him.

  16. brasho says: May 31, 2010 7:14 PM

    It’s far better than the idiots on the Diamondbacks who have turned the tax-paying, ticketbuying citizens of Arizona against them.
    Who thinks the Arizona citizens actually enjoy seeing their taxes go to funding vagabond people that suddenly appear on the scene and start costing the taxpayers millions of dollars?
    The whole thing stinks, on one hand your heart goes out to people that just want a better life for themselves but on the other hand what they’re doing is making everybody else’s lives worse.
    I remember a statistic from back in 03 or so when I lived in Phoenix. Each month there are 14,000 illegal immigrants that come into the city of Phoenix, of those 14,000, 8,000 take up residence in Phoenix which equates to 96,000 NEW illegal immigrants that the taxpayers of Phoenix are forced to pay schooling costs, medical costs, as well as costs for public servants, jailing, roads, etc.
    And let’s face it, this country is not getting the best of the best from El Salvador or Mexico… it’s more like the worst of the worst… if these illegal immigrants were doing so well in their native countries they never would have left. So basically we’re getting the least educated, least successful financially, and criminals from these countries and they are coming over here and we are forced (though our taxes) to pay for them.
    Maybe it’s time to move back to Arizona.

  17. Mike_in_Texas says: May 31, 2010 7:14 PM

    I DO NOT think the immigration debate is a racist act. Eventhough the media was making it out to be.
    I dont think this will solve the problem. Drugs will still be smuggled throughout Texas,New Mexico,California and Arizona still. As far as immigrants, there isnt much we can do know its already too late. Just because you wash your car doesnt mean it wont get dirty again.
    Its not gonna work and before long AZ itself will have lost more money. Immigrants will still manage to pass High Tech Military Technology(like they have) and soon people in America will dont know what to do but accept the fact that its too late an America itself if an Immigrant country. (Africa,China,England,Spain,French)
    If a person thats born and raised here but happends to look illegal is stopped and prossecuted all they can do is Sue for wrongful prosecution and win $$$$
    GO RAIDERS

  18. poonhok says: May 31, 2010 7:18 PM

    The Arizona law is being criticized by idiots who haven’t read it and people who want to add millions of voters and welfare cases to our already strained system.
    The Arizona law was carefully written to mimic and be in compliance with national immigration laws.
    The most vocal critics of the law don’t love America anyway, so what’s the problem?

  19. LighTsouT says: May 31, 2010 7:19 PM

    As a minority, I agree with Feely’s remarks of the FEDERAL government needing to have made a decision because in all honesty, it does impact everything he mentioned. I dont think what Feely himself said was very wrong. However, there are better ways of going about this (from the states side).

  20. Stansclone says: May 31, 2010 7:19 PM

    This is a common-sense issue. There are laws for a reason, and the reasons are that our social benefits, quality of education, safety of our cities and outlying areas must be protected. This is the United States, not some part of Taliban-controlled Pakistan where there is no law or any kind of order. Most people it seems that comment on this issue are from far-away, out- of-touch places, but as a citizen of Phoenix and native Arizonan, I know first hand of the absolutely inundated sections on the city which may as well be Mexico, in downtown phoenix, with no regard for american culture or language, and largly no respect for the laws of the land or American citizens. Many illegals look down on naturalized mexican-americans as traitorous, not speaking spanish to them, and having adopted american values. I’ve been told that I’m a white invader in my own home city and that arizona rightfully belongs to mexico. I’ve been told that I will be bred out of here, and that all of these border states will be taken back. This is the attitude Americans are facing. I’m happy that Feeely can comment this way, we all should not be afraid of what we’re called for speaking the truth. That’s not brave and especially not stupid Florio, that’s our job. The default argument no doubt will be that we’re all rascists, and that’s the lazy and easy way to steer the argument away from solid facts. A distraction. Take that away and there is no solid ground to stand on for illegal immigrant supporters. This should all be a non -issue, case-closed. Thankfully the quiet majority of Americans are waking up and taking our issues seriously again, here and nationally, and not content with the direction this country is going in many ways. And congrats Feely, welcome to AZ.

  21. poonhok says: May 31, 2010 7:19 PM

    BTW, the move isn’t incredibly stupid.
    The overwhelming majority of people in this country support Arizona and support deportation of illegals.
    Only the bleeding hearts with no brains and the media are in opposition…

  22. bogart says: May 31, 2010 7:20 PM

    Illegal hispanics go home! As a matter of fact, it would be good if most of the legal immigrant hispanics would go home. 45% of all legal hispanic immigrants are on one or more welfare programs. Hispanics have the highest highschool drop out rate, the highest birth rate and the highest welfare rate of any group in the US! Hispanics should be embarrassed and ashamed!Instead, they march with their welfare dependant children, break the laws and talk about their RIGHTS!

  23. dosydos says: May 31, 2010 7:22 PM

    mike, i have a feeling a lot (if not enough) of the people in the u.s. at the turn of the last century would have been willing to work in the mines (black folks, to be specific) if they would have been given a chance, joining arm and arm with their italian immigrant brothers and sisters to do the job. just sayin’.

  24. pramis123 says: May 31, 2010 7:24 PM

    Glad Parcells got rid of him as the guy seems to already be a politician and comments like this that have nothing to do with football can disrupt a looker room and a team. The guy should just quit football and officially start his political career.

  25. Rasta says: May 31, 2010 7:26 PM

    Two Famous men said”The truth will set you free” Mr Feely do you know what happened to Jesus or MLK

  26. Winston Wolfe says: May 31, 2010 7:27 PM

    Hey Florio, over 60% of the public agree with the Arizona law and over 70% of the people in Arizona agree with the law. What part of this does your liberal democrat butt not understand? So if your intent on assigning a grade for Feely bringing up the law, IT’s BRILLANT! and for you bringing it up and constantly stocking Feely’s every word, ASININE!

  27. reed380 says: May 31, 2010 7:27 PM

    There is a big difference between immigration, and ILLEGAL immigration. 75% of the legal tax paying residents of Arizona want this bill.
    Reed in Tucson

  28. Stop_Whining says: May 31, 2010 7:28 PM

    The name Jay Feely doesn’t sound Native American, which means that most, if not all of his ancestors were immigrants as well.

  29. kayC says: May 31, 2010 7:28 PM

    Given that polls consistently show that around 60% of Americans support the Arizona law, I doubt if Feely is going to catch a lot of meaningful heat on this one. Getting 60% of Americans to agree on something nowadays is about as close to a consensus as it gets.

  30. CYGNUS X-1 says: May 31, 2010 7:33 PM

    way to take a stand Jay! what is so wrong with the law?if you are not here illegaly then you have nothing to worry about.unless you are breaking the law then you don’t have to worry about being pulled over.as a white man I was pulled over twice in 1 week because I drove a old beat up car that resemble what some drug dealers drove.guess what?I should them my license and regestration they called it in and after telling me to fix the bulb above my license plate went on to work. the second time I was pulled over because someone driving a white car just committed a armed robbery,once again after showing the paperwork was sent on my way.should I have sued them for doing thier job?

  31. Patrick says: May 31, 2010 7:34 PM

    Drivers are understandable…but will passengers also have to keep their “papers” with at all times now?

  32. raynman49 says: May 31, 2010 7:36 PM

    Stuff them in the oil well! Go Feely!

  33. GBfanForever says: May 31, 2010 7:37 PM

    New Arizona state motto:
    “Hey, we’re not like Nazi Germany yet, but we’re pretty darn close!”

  34. theravenlives2 says: May 31, 2010 7:38 PM

    Jay Feely just became my favorite kicker in the league
    ==================================
    Mine, too

  35. spyboots says: May 31, 2010 7:41 PM

    Your insurance will not pay for the costs entailed in getting a pacemaker (that you must have or you will die). ACCHS (AZ’s Medicaid) turns you down because (1) you are not a child (30s) and (2) you earn more than $900 a month (which is less than most mortgages and rents).
    However, the person in the bed next to you is told “Of course, there will be no charge since you are a Mexican national “visiting” here.

  36. Dr Hannibal Lector says: May 31, 2010 7:42 PM

    Remember more than one owner instead of sticking simply to football came out endorsing Mr. O. and no one said a word in criticism.

  37. Beta1414 says: May 31, 2010 7:44 PM

    Mike,
    Longtime fan. Unfortunately, your generalization of AZ SB 1070 as “…new law that criminalizes the failure to carry immigration documents and gives police broad power to detain anyone suspected of being in the country illegally.” is incorrect. PLEASE tell me you aren’t among those who comment without actually reading the Bill (ie: US AG Eric Holder)?

  38. football genius says: May 31, 2010 7:46 PM

    He’s screwed; watch him tear his ACL now. seriously you heard it here first. should’ve kept his mouth shut

  39. FumbleNuts says: May 31, 2010 7:46 PM

    This should scare the hell out of most folks that live in the Good Ol’ USA.
    http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html

  40. DcNinerFan says: May 31, 2010 7:47 PM

    PULL&SEAL – Florio is a Flaming Liberal, so obviously its a polarizing topic, despite the reality of the American people’s opinions… They don’t matter to Liberals…

  41. robert ethen says: May 31, 2010 7:49 PM

    Did your ancestors ever deal with all those outstanding warrants back in the old country, Florio?

  42. TheRedBengal says: May 31, 2010 7:50 PM

    Mr. Florio, I’m usually in agreement with you. But in regards to your comment, “I’m just glad the coal mines and steel mills needed employees in the early 1900s, and that not enough of the people already living in America were willing to do the job.”
    You realize that even today, we have LEGAL AMERICANS still going into coal mines. I’m not even going to get into the history of the worker in this country. We’ve recently had terrible disasters with coal mine cave ins. The reason those people are still risking their asses in those mines is to give us all CHEAP ELECTRICITY. I suggest we thank those gutsy guys, before we get into how a few thousand chinese and germans did some grunt work in the past

  43. Buck Stallion says: May 31, 2010 7:51 PM

    I’d like to see our soldiers in the middle east come home and guard our borders.
    I have the utmost respect for all our armed forces, but too many of them are dying over there.

  44. robert ethen says: May 31, 2010 7:56 PM

    Feely broaches a Touchy issue.

  45. Mike_in_Texas says: May 31, 2010 8:00 PM

    isnt Jay Feeley Italian?
    He doesnt look white for a short men

  46. Selgae says: May 31, 2010 8:02 PM

    If Arizona is so upset at all the illegal aliens there, why don’t they arrest some business owners for giving them jobs? Businesses in the US advertise jobs in Mexico and other central American countries. They come to work. Dry up the jobs, you’ll end the problem. Makes too much sense though.

  47. notrobert says: May 31, 2010 8:03 PM

    Funny all these reactions. A recent article in the Conservative Valley Tribune in AZ debunked most if not all the myths about undocumented aliens. They do not created that great a drain on AZ resources. This bill is just another way politicans make hay so they can be reelected. The sponsor is an ultra-conservative wack job.

  48. TryTheVeal says: May 31, 2010 8:05 PM

    The simple fact IS…..Jay Feely has yet to meet a microphone he hasn’t wanted to perform fellaito on……But lets get into a political debate, throw in a coal miner reference, and some racist grape stomping fodder…..And Viola, we have enough hits to keep the NBC overlords happy while tanning at martha’s vineyard…….A soul is a terrbile thing to waste florio…..P BS Talk is more like it……..

  49. NYJALLFINGDAY says: May 31, 2010 8:08 PM

    ITT: Racist douchebags who don’t recognize racial profiling when they see it.

  50. jibfest says: May 31, 2010 8:10 PM

    bogart says:
    May 31, 2010 7:20 PM
    Illegal hispanics go home! As a matter of fact, it would be good if most of the legal immigrant hispanics would go home. 45% of all legal hispanic immigrants are on one or more welfare programs. Hispanics have the highest highschool drop out rate, the highest birth rate and the highest welfare rate of any group in the US! Hispanics should be embarrassed and ashamed!Instead, they march with their welfare dependant children, break the laws and talk about their RIGHTS!
    –Right on Bogart, right on.

  51. jibfest says: May 31, 2010 8:11 PM

    Rasta says:
    May 31, 2010 7:26 PM
    Two Famous men said”The truth will set you free” Mr Feely do you know what happened to Jesus or MLK
    –Is this before or after jesus had to choose the blue pill or the red?

  52. The Real Shuxion says: May 31, 2010 8:13 PM

    If a person thats born and raised here but happends to look illegal is stopped and prossecuted all they can do is Sue for wrongful prosecution and win $$$$
    ——————————————————
    Do Irish immigrants count? Maybe I could pretend to be one and get money from a lawsuit, like when Mr. Garrison tried to get fired for being gay so he could make millions from the school.

  53. tom coughlin's coat holder says: May 31, 2010 8:14 PM

    the liberal elites want the rest of us to do what they think is the best for us.well,i’m not buying that.
    remember the old expression,don’t judge someone until you walk a mile in his shoes,that saying applies here.some people castigating the people of arizona are far removed from the situation and have never thought the problem through.
    there are plenty of poor people in the united states,what do you think happens when more poor people arrive on our doorstep?it just lowers minimal wages,making it harder for our poor to compete with the new “arrivals”.in a way,this just expands welfare.our poor and the newly arrived poor compete for the same welfare dollar,what do you think the politicians are going to do?you got it….expand the welfare system,the politicians want that vote,whether legal or illegal.i don’t care if feely is a good football player or not,i think he deserves kudos for having the chops to say what everybody is affraid to say.

  54. CanadianVikingFan says: May 31, 2010 8:15 PM

    He’s right.

  55. nowathand says: May 31, 2010 8:16 PM

    Essentially, Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher are the “enablers” that have created the environments in which Joey Porter and Jay Feely felt comfortable to be themselves.
    I am not offended by the actions of either though I do think the immigration issues are more complex than what Feely has suggested and he is oversimplifying it by not addressing the details of the solution, which are extreme, and the murders and muggings that have happened on the borders. Maybe he does at a different point in the interview.
    The Houston Texans really pulled the hat trick with their offseason additions. They added a wide receiver with tight end size in Dorin Dickerson. They added a running back with return and gadget-play ability in Trindon Holliday. They added a kicker with a wide array of onside, pooch and gadget-play ability in Neil Rackers. Rackers is definitely the most underrated loss after Boldin. I think Rolle and Dansby are overrated losses.

  56. Mean D says: May 31, 2010 8:16 PM

    Then there was the incident between the Irish cop and the black professor. Which one did Obama side with immediately without even knowing the facts? Worry about your own racial profiling, Barry, before you throw your ridiculous barbs at Arizona.

  57. Hosstyle In Tampa says: May 31, 2010 8:16 PM

    First, I support AZ in whatever democratic solution they find to solve THEIR PROBLEM.
    But let me say this, all you Conservatives that are claiming that 70% of Americans agree with the Law (You can always spot a FAUX NEWS viewer by their dependence on mythical poll stats) then that means A LOT OF LIBERALS also believe in the law, right??
    Republicans look at illegals as CHEAP LABOR
    Democrats look at illegals as FUTURE VOTES
    The immigration problem aids both parties. No wonder it’s such a big problem. It doesn’t benefit any political party to stop it!!!
    …and for the guy who said “Bush would have been torn apart if he tried to fix immigration”…LOL…yeah, cause Bush had a real tough time ruining our school system with NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, starting two wars, cutting taxes for the elite class and destroying the middle class…give me a break. You’re delusional…

  58. bigtrav425 says: May 31, 2010 8:19 PM

    Feely is my new Fav Player!!….Way to be a MAN Jay!!..he is 100 percent right about the Federal Government comment as well

  59. tom coughlin's coat holder says: May 31, 2010 8:21 PM

    @selgae…i agree,but the employers of these people should not be fined,like presently,instead they should be thrown into the worst prison systems.these employers are the worst blood suckers that god could have created.

  60. jreed says: May 31, 2010 8:23 PM

    # bcb171 says: May 31, 2010 6:59 PM
    I, honest to God, wish there was a better connected website out there, in which i could spend my time looking at recent nfl news/rumors. Seriously, if one comes out I will surely never ever look at this site again. Youre a hypocrite florio. Every singe time anything comes up politically you always put your spin on it. At least Feely sounds educated doing so. And yes id vote for Feely with the few statements that he had on this issue.
    Bleacherreport.com is pretty good.
    By the Way, How is asking a foreign national to see some ID Racial Profiling? As I see it, There are more then one race besides the “Mexican” Race sneaking into our Country. It just so happens that the Majority of the people sneaking in are Mexican.

  61. vbwayt says: May 31, 2010 8:24 PM

    Florio is a fool – for him to feel it necessary to write the following paragraph in order to distance himself for Feely’s mainstream comments is the act of a coward those substitued political correctness for critical thinking
    “On this Memorial Day, it’s important to remember that all of the men and women who ever died for our country did so to help preserve our ability to articulate opinions and each and every issue on which we choose to opine. So Feely’s words are a testament to the sacrifices that they made.”
    His thinly veiled contempt for Feely is obvious to anyone.
    Florio – it sounds as if you are judging Feely – even worse, I would say that you’ve profiled him as a racist and xenophobe. How about a little tolerance and accepatacne of mainstream thinking? Or are your views too radically left of center to accept any other viewpoints?

  62. philwauke says: May 31, 2010 8:29 PM

    Child please…we contribute lots to your country.
    Rafael Septien

  63. Chapnasty2 says: May 31, 2010 8:30 PM

    Patrick says:
    May 31, 2010 7:34 PM
    Drivers are understandable…but will passengers also have to keep their “papers” with at all times now?
    _________________________________
    Actually yes they will. All imigrants are required by law to carry documentation on them at all times. In fact when they are issued their papers they are actually notified that they must carry proof of immigration status at all times.
    I am actually suprised by the comments on this site. As someone who has spent most of his 40 hours a week “working” on this website over the past 2 years there has been a clear political shift in opinions. I am glad to see people waking up and opening their eyes. Florio, go give Olbermann a giant kiss on the lips for us.

  64. Hosstyle In Tampa says: May 31, 2010 8:36 PM

    So let me get this straight:
    It’s UNFAIR to criticize the AZ law without reading it.
    It’s PERFECTLY FINE to criticize the Health Care Reform Bill without reading it.
    Gotta love that Christian Conservative Hypocrisy…
    p.s.
    I support the AZ law. And if your stats are correct and 70% of the U.S. does as well, then MANY LIBERALS MUST SUPPORT IT TOO….

  65. TheMagicIsYou! says: May 31, 2010 8:36 PM

    “If Bush tried to do ANYTHING he would have been torn apart by the disgusting liberal media.”
    If I recall correctly, in 2005 Bush DID make moves towards immigration reform, and they were derailed by hardliners in his own party. The “disgusting liberal media” had little to do with it.
    2005, I know, it’s ancient history. None of us were alive back then. It’s the year Donovan McNabb is rumored to have played in the Super Bowl.

  66. packerfanfornot4life says: May 31, 2010 8:39 PM

    AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATED fEELY FOR BEATING MY TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS BUT I’M NOW A FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

  67. Bisons says: May 31, 2010 8:39 PM

    Illegal hispanics go home! As a matter of fact, it would be good if most of the legal immigrant hispanics would go home. 45% of all legal hispanic immigrants are on one or more welfare programs. Hispanics have the highest highschool drop out rate, the highest birth rate and the highest welfare rate of any group in the US! Hispanics should be embarrassed and ashamed!Instead, they march with their welfare dependant children, break the laws and talk about their RIGHTS!
    +1
    Amen brother!!!!

  68. TFBuckFutter says: May 31, 2010 8:40 PM

    I’m curious if so many white people would support racial profiling if the government said “whites are the racial group most likely to engage in child molestation so we are granting the police the power to search their computers whenever they see fit.”
    Or “they are the biggest users of illegal prescription drugs and heroin so the police are now granted the power to search any white people they see on the street for illegal narcotics.”

  69. Allied Biscuit says: May 31, 2010 8:43 PM

    jay feely? really?

  70. clubfoot says: May 31, 2010 8:43 PM

    Florio you left wind commi. Read the law. It does no such thing. You just puke back what you hear on your ultra liberal msnbc. Read the freakin law you Obama suck up.

  71. Ken West says: May 31, 2010 8:43 PM

    What does LEGAL immigration (most of us at some point on the family tree) have to do with illegal immigration?
    On a side note we need more independent minded people. I for one am
    Pro choice
    Pro socialized health care, energy, farming, banking
    Pro death penalty
    Support a ban on all handguns.
    Pro deportation of illegals.
    Pro gay marriage
    I am also an Atheist and a scientist, so yea dealing with you shallow thinkers is getting old.

  72. Dexter Morgan says: May 31, 2010 8:46 PM

    A lot of white anger in here….
    Like it or not, but you are going to be a minority in this country.

  73. Dexter Morgan says: May 31, 2010 8:47 PM

    Not all Republicans are racist, but most racists are Republican.

  74. PhinManiac says: May 31, 2010 8:47 PM

    He’s a kicker for Chrissakes. Kickers should STFU. Regardless of opinion. You are a kicker, Jay Feely. You’ve bounced to your 5th team. Could it be because you just suck? We couldn’t stand you in Miami. I’m sure you’ll wear out your welcome in Arizona. Once you miss some fieldgoals and kickoff to the 15 yd line a few times.

  75. steelerfanjj says: May 31, 2010 8:51 PM

    Florio, your comments..or lack there of has painted you as a liberal homo. Maybe there is room for Mexican- (illegal) immigrant douche-bag bloggers out there and will put your lame ass out of a job!

  76. Coach Ripper says: May 31, 2010 8:55 PM

    As explained by the legal gal Megan Kelly on Fox, after researching the issue, Federal Law requires (and has for over 40 years) the non-citizen to be in possession of the proper documentation (and yes, this would include even those in the passenger and back seat). ADDITIONALLY, the Federal Officers may question and request proper paperwork from anyone they suspect is here illegally. They are not restrained by the Arizona Law’s requirement that the person be stopped for some offense prior to asking for this documentation. Complaints about Racial Profiling? Take it up with the Federal Officers, not the Arizonal police.

  77. Old School says: May 31, 2010 9:00 PM

    Horray for Jay Feely. The bleeding heart liberals would do well to protest Calderone – IN MEXICO- challenging him to make HIS country good enough that HIS people wouldn’t risk their lives to leave. He pointed his finger in the wrong direction.
    Obama is shirking his Constitutional duty. I’m surprised he didn’t spend Memorial Day at a mosque honoring dead jihad homicide bombers.

  78. oxycode30 says: May 31, 2010 9:01 PM

    The current crop of immigrants are not like immigrants of yore. First of all they enter illegally and once here refuse to assimilate and break our laws with abandon.
    Borders should be sealed and a moratorium on immigration from Mexico and central America should be implemented. Penalties on those employers who hire illegals need to be given teeth and those caught here illegally should be deported and banned for life.
    With fellow citizens out of work in record numbers it is nearly treasonous to give a job – any job – to an illegal immigrant.

  79. theravenlives2 says: May 31, 2010 9:02 PM

    New Arizona state motto:
    “Hey, we’re not like Nazi Germany yet, but we’re pretty darn close!”
    ==================================
    O.K., Einstein, why does that make Arizona like Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany followed the will of Hitler, whereas lawmakers in AZ are following the will of the people. If you are in Arizona LEGALLY, then you have nothing to worry about. Every country in the world enforces its borders EXCEPT the United States. Mexico has some of the toughest immigration laws in the world. Please know what you’re talking about before you come on here comparing an America State to Nazi Germany. If we were in Nazi Germany, you wouldn’t be here…they killed all the idiots there!

  80. hitdog042 says: May 31, 2010 9:04 PM

    As I read the comments, one person is against what AZ did? Yeah, that tells me it’s more than 60 percent of the USA.
    They probably took the poll in Mass.
    Also, nobody talks about the fact this law has been on the books in Virginia for several years… nobody boycott them.
    So stupid. Can’t wait until Obama is done.

  81. TheToolofTools says: May 31, 2010 9:13 PM

    God Bless Jay Feely…my new favorite player.
    He explained it in simple terms.

  82. this class sucks says: May 31, 2010 9:23 PM

    @Bossman
    I think you need to go back and get some more education, or perhaps ask for a refund.

  83. East Bay Ray says: May 31, 2010 9:25 PM

    Wow, Florio. I know you need to do something to drum up traffic during this slow football news period, but you’ve really outdone yourself with this story and your previous Pat Tillman post: themes of politics, race and war. All you’re missing is the topic of religion. Then you’d hit for the cycle!
    BTW, does anyone have any real data that shows that illegal immigrants are costing us more in the services they require than they benefit us in the inexpensive labor they provide, which is passed along to customers in less expensive goods and services? There is both a cost and benefit here that lots of you refuse to acknowledge.
    And, why are many of you calling this a left wing/right wing issue? If it was that simple, laws such as this one would have been enacted on the federal level in the period when Bush was President and Republicans controlled Congress (a condition that existed for the majority of the last decade). Even a simpleton like President Bush was able to view the situation with some balance. Shame that so few here can.

  84. vanhelsing says: May 31, 2010 9:32 PM

    free speech is not considered free speech if it goes against the prevailing modern liberal orthodoxy. only commie fellow travelers consider feely “a politician”.
    go get ‘em, jay.
    and it really isnt about making it “the national law”, although, if that happened, state-by-state, it wouldnt bother me.
    it is about making the damned federal gummint do one of the few jobs it should be doing. if the feds were enforcing the law (and back in the 50s, they did) (and yes it can be done, so shove the @#$% off), az wouldnt have passed theirs.
    illegals are subsidized by the gummint. they bring disease and crime, drugs and terror. the hell they arent a drain. someone is smoking bad stuff earlier in the post.
    and for all the bs talk about how arizona is like nazi germany… the majority of hispanics in az support the new law too. so, modern liberals, sit and spin.
    america has long been turning into a corrupt commie weimar amerika. do u know what “weimar” means, kiddies? if u keep it up long enough, and dont allow consitutional and law abiding change, u will likely get the nazi land u keep saying everything else is. and the exact opposite of that is NOT liberal valhalla. the exact opposite is sovietization, where all the modern useful liberal idiots still get theirs.

  85. kotapug says: May 31, 2010 9:34 PM

    # Stop_Whining says: May 31, 2010 7:28 PM
    The name Jay Feely doesn’t sound Native American, which means that most, if not all of his ancestors were immigrants as well.
    The law is for ILLEGAL immigrants you dumb ass!!!!! People like you that support these law breaking free loaders are the reason this country is turning to shit and all of us hard working legal citizens have to pay out of our ass for everything.

  86. kpweaver27 says: May 31, 2010 9:38 PM

    Leave it to an idiot Republican to demand a smaller government while demanding that the federal government overstep its bounds and take action in a state matter such as this. The states aren’t enforcing the laws by allowing the companies to bring in lots of illegals. The problem isn’t in any single illegal, it’s in hundreds and thousands of them. You have to start at the employer there, and make punishments more severe. Arizona hasn’t done that, all while trying to blame the federal government. You didn’t hear a peep out of them when George W. Bush was in office, but now that a liberal is in there, working with the exact same laws, now he’s not doing enough. Arizona, go back to legislating racism and Feely, go back to missing 42 yard field goals.

  87. Bigbluefan says: May 31, 2010 9:39 PM

    Good for Jay
    First off he is right secondly nothing he said will hurt the team
    The stands are not full of wetbacks they watch the other football not the NFL
    Last but not least the only ones who may get upset are the guys who wash the uniforms as that would be the only job some fence hopper would be able to do
    When did being a proud legal American become so bad

  88. El Perro says: May 31, 2010 9:40 PM

    Quiero que me chupan los pinches huevos!!! They should pass a law to stop calling dookie bell Mexican food!

  89. Zaggs says: May 31, 2010 9:41 PM

    “Personally, I have no position on the matter.”
    Um, no Floor-Boy, when you purposefully misstate that laws intent, you very much take a position.
    Once again for the uninformed, immigrants do not need all their immigration papers. The need a state issued ID that has something to do with residence. This can be a state driver’s license or a US passport. Needless to say Federal has required legal immigrants to carry a green card or similar type of ID for decades.
    Perhaps floor-boy you should try reading the law instead of getting your opinions straight from the DNC or white house.
    Feely’s position will not harm him, most people…err citizens of Arizona support the law. Hell most citizens of California support the Arizona law as do most Americans.

  90. kello says: May 31, 2010 9:42 PM

    All you dumb sh+t conservatives point to the constitution whenever it serves your purpose.
    Apparently the constitution doesn’t apply to brown skinned people in Germany, I’m sorry, Arizona.
    The law is unconstitutional but don’t let that bother you.
    As to needing your driver’s license. Sure, when you are driving. But really white boys, you need to carry papers proving you were born here. Is that so? What state is that? What friggin’ state makes you carry papers proving you were born here.
    Poonhok you are an assclown.

  91. dlmcc0909 says: May 31, 2010 9:43 PM

    I agree 100% with Jay Feely and am glad to see most of the comments on here seem to be from people with common sense. Most people criticizing the law have not read it, including most of the imbeciles were stuck with in Washington who seem hell bent on ruining this country. I know its usually taboo for athletes to talk politics. But I have seen alot of idiots especially in the NBA complaining about how terrible this law is. Its not terrible. We have a problem in this country with illegal immigration. Has nothing to do with Mexicans.
    I dont live anywhere near AZ, but I have read quite a few stories from people who live there and talk about being afraid to leave their homes due to burglaries and drug related violence from illegals. As much as we all love football, there are bigger issues in the world. Our country is slowly rotting and most of us are tired of the garbage in Washington and a White House that has done nothing to protect its citizens. I myself was sick wathcing our Congress give the mexican President a standing ovation for criticizing one of our own states. Pathetic. I am glad AZ finally took a stand. And im glad Feely actually supported his state.

  92. kello says: May 31, 2010 9:44 PM

    Bossman, go piss on yourself. Get this country back from what, the Americans who voted for Obama.? It’s our country as much as yours so why don’t you just go and water board yourself.

  93. larazaboycottazgoahead says: May 31, 2010 9:46 PM

    you dont’ have a position on this? my ass. you are with the minority florio. you fool no one. living in phoenix, mr. feely is spot on. nothing to add to his coherent thoughts. by the way jay welcome to the arizona cardinals.

  94. JayoEZ says: May 31, 2010 9:48 PM

    Name calling is the refuge of the intellectually handicaped. Now I am a hard working american, who works a city job in the field of water distribution and has to study and earn documentation to work in my field, and I see illegal latins working privately in the same field who have no concept of potable drinking water and what it entails, now i dont understand y i should b pissed at some ass clown who makes 10 bucks an hour to send back home to mexico, when its the WHITE “contractor” thats making a killing on the backs of the illegals, cheating on his taxes, and raping his fellow americans in the process. Wht not hold the people who truly create and uphold this haven of undocumented workers accountable? illegal immigration wouldnt b the problem it is today if theese people werent using the system for theyre own devilish greed.

  95. BUTT NAKED RAIDERS FAN says: May 31, 2010 9:49 PM

    THIS IS A BLOG ABOUT X’S AND O’S. LET’S JUST KEEP IT THAT WAY. THIS IS NO PLACED FOR POLITICS. THIS IS WHY FEELY CANNOT KEEP A JOB. HE RUNS HIS MOUTH TOO DAMN MUCH.

  96. dundee15748 says: May 31, 2010 9:50 PM

    Feeley’s certainly no dummy. He knows that when he makes a statement like this, then the rednecks of the world come out of the woodwork. Isn’t it ironic that when a player on your team who isn’t white makes a great play, you rednecks cheer for them, but when the game is over then they aren’t Americans because they aren’t white. What a bunch of hypocrites.

  97. Bob S. says: May 31, 2010 9:50 PM

    And just who invited the Europeans to come here in the first place?

  98. Pitboss says: May 31, 2010 9:51 PM

    If a person thats born and raised here but happends to look illegal is stopped and prossecuted all they can do is Sue for wrongful prosecution and win $$$$
    —————————————————-
    Retard – no, if they are stopped ( which people are every day ) then they show ID. How hard is that?

  99. Hayward G says: May 31, 2010 9:52 PM

    The Federal government turns a blind eye to the illegal immigrant situation because their goal is to turn the US into a third world country.
    Plus, we have a Mexican population still bitter that we kicked their ass and took Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, et al, from their sorry asses, and a complicit mainstream media which is using their pro-illegal amnesty propaganda to try and brainwash the public into sympathizing with these cretins.
    Fortunately, legal Americans see thru the charade, reinforcing my faith in the populace. Send Pedro, Juanita and their anchor babies back below the border, stat.
    and kudos, Jay Feely. I am officially a fan.

  100. poonhok says: May 31, 2010 9:54 PM

    New Arizona state motto:
    “Hey, we’re not like Nazi Germany yet, but we’re pretty darn close!”
    ========
    Perhaps the most ignorant statement in the history of the board.
    If you want to see similarities to the National Socialists, take a look at the Resident and his cohorts….i.e., nationalizing of private industries, hatred of Jews, etc….

  101. jan van flac says: May 31, 2010 9:55 PM

    Illegal Mexicans in Arizona?
    didn’t the entire Southwest used to belong to Mexico?
    Maybe they should kick the white people out.

  102. rkooiman72 says: May 31, 2010 9:56 PM

    Where is the outrage against the American companies and individuals who hire undocumented/illegal aliens? I am so tired of people complaining about illegal immigration and being the first ones to hire them as contractors, gardeners, nannies etc.
    Another thing to think about is that these immigrants provide a source of cheap labor. If we hire “Americans” to do the same job, the costs will go up leading to higher prices for many of things we buy.

  103. hamburglar says: May 31, 2010 9:57 PM

    So many rednecks around here. The average IQ of these posters is about 78.

  104. Bob Nelson says: May 31, 2010 9:59 PM

    How can the country with world mightiest military power not defend its borders from hordes of foreign invaders?
    The US has surrendered to Mexico and allowed them control of the US.

  105. red13 says: May 31, 2010 9:59 PM

    The key word in the statement is ILLEGAL. If someone is here illegally and not paying taxes, why should they have any rights? I will say I lean to the left, but I have no sympathy for someone who lives in my country and works for cash and pays no income tax, and then bitches because his or her rights are being violated. You have no rights! If you want the same rights I enjoy, apply for citizenship, take the test, and pay taxes like I do.

  106. rkooiman72 says: May 31, 2010 10:00 PM

    ok

  107. BCGreg says: May 31, 2010 10:03 PM

    Let me get this straight.
    Feeley is polarizing for his political opinion and should watch himself because he is an employee of an NFL team that could cut him over his beliefs? There’s a lawsuit in the making.
    What about the Rooneys and Krafts (to name a couple) who have openly supported and donated to Obama? Shouldn’t they keep that private for fear of any backlash or loss of revenue due to their beliefs?
    I could care less what any athlete or celebrity says politically either way. Most live in fantasyland and don’t live in the real world getting their nuts kicked in to survive. I mean, I agree with Feeley, but who cares what Jay Feeley thinks? He’s a friggin kicker on a pro football team. Most players don’t even consider kickers football players.
    The problem is is that too many people in this world listen to what athletes and celebrities think politically without having their own thoughts.
    Look at Barkley’s “I’m not a role model” thing. An athlete, who is a republican, telling kids not to look up to him because he’s only an athlete. There’s a man who gets it!

  108. Sparrowhawk says: May 31, 2010 10:07 PM

    Florio, are you inferring that your ancestors were illegals? Why is it that so many people have such a problem differentiating between LEGAL immigrants and ILLEGAL immigrants? You’d better stick to football Florio, it’s obvious that most of the posters on this blog know more about the world outside of football than you do.

  109. jimmySee says: May 31, 2010 10:11 PM

    The last President, the so-called “compassionate conservative”, supported an immigration reform bill that would have provided a path to amnesty and legal status.
    It’s the only thing he ever did that I agreed with.
    And that’s the only solution that can work — turn those illegals into tax payers.
    But his own party wouldn’t hear of it.
    Looks like conservatives have given up being compassionate.
    If you want to stop the flow crossing the border, jail and fine any employer who hires an undocumented worker. Or at least take away the tax deduction for those wages.

  110. Occam says: May 31, 2010 10:16 PM

    Not as “polarizing” an issue as the media is making it out to be, is it Mr. Florio?
    The only way this law is “polarizing” is that most legal citizens have the common sense to support it and most illegal aliens are protesting it.
    Odd that you should side with the criminal element. Perhaps I’ll go read Jay Feely’s blog instead. At least I know he is a decent American.

  111. BigBear123 says: May 31, 2010 10:21 PM

    The Constitution gives the government power for homeland security, not health care or subsidizing automakers and Wall Street.
    Remember that when it is time to vote.
    Wouldn’t be upset if they did all four but they seem to ignore the biggest issue.

  112. deederbob says: May 31, 2010 10:21 PM

    I couldn’t give less of a shit about Feely’s views on immigration reform or his political aspirations. Shut up and kick the ball, moron. You’re not even a real football player.

  113. goodjuan says: May 31, 2010 10:24 PM

    what do you as a natural born citizen carry on you that proves you’re a citizen? now consider that question if you’re unlucky enough to be brown in AZ.
    it’s a stupid law. people in AZ just want to have it both ways. they want to exploit the slave labor as long as they don’t require giving out food stamps or providing hospitalization or schooling for their children. just hammer the employers that hire illegals and the problem goes away.
    the border wall is 400 years too late.

  114. West TX says: May 31, 2010 10:26 PM

    Glad Parcells got rid of him as the guy seems to already be a politician and comments like this that have nothing to do with football can disrupt a looker room and a team. The guy should just quit football and officially start his political career.
    ——————-
    All of the Mexican American Cardinals surely will be pissed at Feeley for these comments. That will probably cause a huge division in the locker room.

  115. MrNatural says: May 31, 2010 10:26 PM

    The illegals are here to learn compassion from you racist fools. They get free bubblegum.
    Why do you think they are here?
    Your boss’ company hires them by the van load. They probably work harder than you.
    The kids overseas who make Feely’s shoes would like to come but don’t have a boat. $2 a day, can’t get financing.
    Maybe Arizona can put ‘em on a reservation! Sell Nike’s at the Grand Canyon!

  116. panthers34 says: May 31, 2010 10:27 PM

    I think we forget the reason these people are here. For one, these people are here for jobs, and i mean the worst kind of jobs you can think of. Picking lettuce, construction, motel maids, janitors and countless other jobs I would never ever dream of doing or wish anyone else doing. No American born person should EVER grow up with the aspirations to land one of those jobs, EVER! But these jobs have to be filled, and these people want to come here and work hard but the problem is that there is a broken immigration system that is not letting “product satisfy the demand”. Seriously, should any american really want to pick produce, or be a janitor? I totally disagree, this seriously is not ecuador or south africa, this is america. There is a bigger problem in america than illegals, its called the welfare trash. The trash that dosen’t earn a dime, gets all kinds of entitlements, and does not want to succeed, that’s where the hatred should go. That’s where they should drag all into buses and take them to work camps. No joke.

  117. West TX says: May 31, 2010 10:28 PM

    Two Famous men said”The truth will set you free” Mr Feely do you know what happened to Jesus or MLK
    ——————-
    They both got American Holidays on their behalves? What now for Feeley? Jay Day? Feeley Fest?

  118. william sizemore says: May 31, 2010 10:29 PM

    President Bush and John McCain try to push a bill Thur congress, it didn’t have the support of the REP or Dems, this has nothing to do with Obama, big business want cheap labor, the Dems want votes, so until they can all come together nothing will happen, its hard to get congress to vote on reform when special interest is stuffing money up there ass. Bill p.s. Obama been in office for a year and a half almost, what did the last guy do in 8 years? Thats what we are talking about.

  119. Kittymama says: May 31, 2010 10:29 PM

    Once again, Florio doesn’t bother to report actual facts. Don’t let the truth stand in the way of your pseudo-liberal beliefs, but that is NOT what the law says. The law says that if someone is pulled over for suspected illegal activity (drunk driving, burglary, etc.), & THEN is found to be in the country illegally, they can be sent back. California has had the same law for years. I realize you work for NBC, so naturally you don’t want to let the truth get in the way of mouthing the tiresome pseudo-liberal lines, but it really gets old. And then the MSM (mouthpiece for the socialists running the Democratic party) wonder why they’re dying, & the Dems are losing popularity.
    And as for Feeley speaking up? Well, I don’t notice Floria criticizing Roger Goodell for praising his dad, honored this weekend for speaking out against the Vietnam War–& causing pain & anguish for the many men & women (& their families) who fought in that war, only to come home to be called “baby killer” & “murderer” & other lovely names by anti-war zealots. His father took the easy way out & sided with Walter Cronkite & so many others that bashed our veterans. Rolling Thunder rolled this weekend to honor Vietnam vets. Ask them their opinion of Goodell’s father, & so many others like him. I’d call Roger’s stand “controversial,” but since he’s also a limousine-liberal–like Florio–naturally, his comments are perfectly acceptable.
    (As someone whose cousin fought in Vietnam, brother served in Gulf I, & 2 nephews serving in Iraq & Afghanistan, I salute all our veterans. They fought to preserve our rights, including free speech. That means that Florio has every right to show his stupidity. It also means, Florio, that Jay Feeley has the right to express opinions other than yours.)

  120. .Vox Veritas. says: May 31, 2010 10:32 PM

    “For a guy who plays one of the most fungible positions in football, it’s a move that was either incredibly brave, or incredibly stupid.”
    It’s neither. Citizens are overwhelmingly in favor of putting a stop to this “undocumented immigration” BS.

  121. dundee15748 says: May 31, 2010 10:34 PM

    Feeley knows that his comments will bring the rednecks scurrying from underneath the woodwork. These same people will cheer for their own players, but as soon as they leave the field, their heroes are not real Americans because they aren’t white. Can you say hypocritical?

  122. Raiders757 says: May 31, 2010 10:37 PM

    This issue is hardly “polarizing”. It’s the left wing media hype that wants to make it as such.
    I have Mexican friends who came here the legal way, and they’re pissed at those who don’t do the same. They agree with this law in Arizona, and that speaks volumes.
    I don’t think I know anyone who is against what Arizona is doing.
    That being said, I do agree with Goodjuan. Hit those who knowingly employ illegals hard. It would be much more effective in the long run.

  123. sonicsurfguitar says: May 31, 2010 10:38 PM

    “Important business reality…” is that also a reference to NBC’s stance with regard to social, political, and economic news? Afterall, this site is hosted by the peacock network.
    Mr. Florio, if you’re going to take pot-shots at Mr.Feely, then why do you offer him a chance to reply?

  124. hamburglar says: May 31, 2010 10:40 PM

    We should divide this country into three republics. One country would be The Northeast, one would be The West Coast, and one would be the leftovers. That way the tea party wackos could have their own country with no taxes, lots of religion in schools, guns for every citizen, the death penalty for all immigrants and retarted people, and no medical insurance for the elderly/kids. Each republic could elect their own president and everyone would be happy…….Oh, and by the way, just because people don’t like George Strait doesn’t mean they hate America.

  125. realitypolice says: May 31, 2010 10:41 PM

    goodjuan says:
    May 31, 2010 10:24 PM
    what do you as a natural born citizen carry on you that proves you’re a citizen? now consider that question if you’re unlucky enough to be brown in AZ.
    =============
    If government buraucracy operated the way it’s supposed to, your driver’s license would prove that. In every state I know of, you need to show documents proving you are an american citizen or at least here legally when you go to the DMV to get your license.
    If you’re brown and legal in AZ- I empathize with whatever profiling you suffer through. But the profiling didn’t arise out of thin air- millions of mexicans and other latinos entering our country illegally caused that.

  126. pmw1718 says: May 31, 2010 10:44 PM

    “thanks to a widely-debated new law that criminalizes the failure to carry immigration documents..”-Florio
    “what do you as a natural born citizen carry on you that proves you’re a citizen? now consider that question if you’re unlucky enough to be brown in AZ.”-goodjuan
    It is not a new law. Non-citizens are required by Federal Law to carry papers. Citizens are NOT required by Federal Law to carry papers. This law signed in AZ does nothing different than the Federal Law already does… The problem here is that AZ wants the laws followed.. The fact is that this law is no different than the Federal Law

  127. realitypolice says: May 31, 2010 10:44 PM

    jimmySee says:
    May 31, 2010 10:11 PM
    If you want to stop the flow crossing the border, jail and fine any employer who hires an undocumented worker. Or at least take away the tax deduction for those wages.
    ============================
    When american workers stop demanding $20 dollars an hour plus full benefits and 6 weeks vacation to a do a job an illegal will do for $6 an hour, maybe small business workers won’t feel forced to hire them, and that MIGHT stop the flow across the border.

  128. Randomjim says: May 31, 2010 10:46 PM

    Stop_Whining says:
    May 31, 2010 7:28 PM
    The name Jay Feely doesn’t sound Native American, which means that most, if not all of his ancestors were immigrants as well.
    The whole issue is ILLEGAL immigration.
    What a Dumb Ass.

  129. realitypolice says: May 31, 2010 10:47 PM

    BUTT NAKED RAIDERS FAN says:
    May 31, 2010 9:49 PM
    THIS IS A BLOG ABOUT X’S AND O’S. LET’S JUST KEEP IT THAT WAY.
    =============
    This blog is about whatever the blog owner decides it’s about. If the blog owner posts about immigration, than that’s what it about.
    That’s how it works. Get it?

  130. NinerFanInParis says: May 31, 2010 10:47 PM

    I hope that the next suspected terrorist wears a cowboy hat so that a new law can be passed that makes it legal for the authorities to constantly harass all ignorant rednecks.
    Seriously though, its amazing how the biggest “American patriots” can’t even recognize a gross violation of the 4th amendment to the constitution.
    If only they’d consider the fact that illegal immigration is an issue dealing with bad border control and not “them damned Mexicans”–a group which includes millions of LEGAL and TAX PAYING AMERICANS here for GENERATIONS, that don’t deserve the hatred and harassment from populist politicians, greedy cops looking for a fatter budget, and “real Americans” that use this as an excuse to vent their xenophobia and racism in the form of patriotism.
    I would pay A LOT of money to see the expression on the faces of these racist Arizona residents in support of this bill if all the Mexicans and Latinos of Arizona suddenly picked up and left one day. You want to talk about the impact Mexicans have on the economy, they’d see it right there when 30% of it disappeared overnight.
    I could go on an on here about other completely obvious wastes of government money (bloated national defense budget, bloated anti-drug enforcement budget, bloated police force budget) but people are too brainwashed and ignorant to understand the system, instead choosing to target “the others” rather than the people who actually steal their paycheck (the guys just so happen to be getting them all riled up about the cost of immigrants).
    Anyways, I can’t compete with Fox News and its 24hr fountain of misinformation, nor can I compete with a small mind that doesn’t comprehend complex ideas like equality for all regardless of creed or color. So I’ll just stop, give a quick sigh, and just be happy that I don’t live in Arizona.

  131. .Vox Veritas. says: May 31, 2010 10:52 PM

    There’s not a job that US citizens won’t do. We just won’t do it for slave wages. Supporting illegal immigration for cheap labor is tantamount to supporting slavery.
    I have a solution, though. Let’s adopt Mexico’s immigration laws.

  132. realitypolice says: May 31, 2010 10:55 PM

    hamburglar says:
    May 31, 2010 10:40 PM
    We should divide this country into three republics. One country would be The Northeast, one would be The West Coast, and one would be the leftovers. That way the tea party wackos could have their own country with no taxes, lots of religion in schools, guns for every citizen, the death penalty for all immigrants and retarted people, and no medical insurance for the elderly/kids.
    ==========================
    I love it when Obamcrats paint the Tea Party people this way. Ridicule them and they will go away, right? While I am not one myself, it still bothers me when someone so blatantly ignores facts in this fashion.
    The fact is that the Tea Party movement has absolutely nothing to do with “lots of religion in the schools” and the death penalty. Nor do they object to medical insurance for the elderly/kids. In fact, many Tea Partiers are Libertarians, who strictly oppose religion in schools, and most oppose the death penalty. I won’t even start with the health care debate, because if you believe that Obama’s health care bill did anything to help old people/kids to get health insurance- you’re walking around blind without a cane, you fool.

  133. .Vox Veritas. says: May 31, 2010 10:57 PM

    “But let me say this, all you Conservatives that are claiming that 70% of Americans agree with the Law (You can always spot a FAUX NEWS viewer by their dependence on mythical poll stats) then that means A LOT OF LIBERALS also believe in the law, right??”
    Not necessarily. The country is overwhelmingly conservative to some degree. Maybe you should be arguing Democrats/Republicans. Also don’t forget those that consider themselves independents and always remember that nobody really votes for Democrats as much as they vote against Republicans. Especially the independents that typically decide elections.

  134. Stansclone says: May 31, 2010 11:07 PM

    Vox-great point

  135. DC_Bengals_Fan says: May 31, 2010 11:10 PM

    “So let me get this straight:
    It’s PERFECTLY FINE to criticize the Health Care Reform Bill without reading it”
    I think the larger problem is that none of your heros read the bill before *voting* on it. And I don’t need to read it, the only thing I care about is the GAO estimating that it will cost us 1 Trillion dollars – for the first decade alone.
    Passing that bill during the current fiscal crisis is like me getting laid off and going straight to the Ferrari dealer. Stupid and irresponsible.
    As for AZ, I have no problem with them questioning people at traffic stops, so long as they don’t start pulling over every Latino they see for “illegal lane change” just so they can check their papers. Otherwise, go for it.

  136. suite34 says: May 31, 2010 11:10 PM

    Florio’s point is, at the turn of the century there really wasn’t “illegal immigration” as anyone who could get on a ship over here was let in (except for the Chinese, apparently.)
    I would like a show of hands of all who would agree with the following: “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
    Not many I imagine. It may be time to start a campaign to return the Statue of Liberty to France (liberal socialists anyway, right?) because we seem to be done with it.

  137. BrownsTown123 says: May 31, 2010 11:12 PM

    “widely-debated new law that criminalizes the failure to carry immigration documents and gives police broad power to detain anyone suspected of being in the country illegally”
    I love how he starts off the article like this, and then claims to have no position on the issue with his next paragraph…
    Just because you are working for NBC doesn’t mean you have to spout the company’s political lines Florio….
    The law is stupid only because it is already on the books in other forms, it is illegal to be an illegal immigrant, just like it is illegal to drive with alcohol in your system over the legal limit. If an officer of the law has a suspision that one is driving drunk shouldn’t he be allowed to question one further and determine if the driver is in fact in good condition to drive? If you are a in the country legally then you have nothing to worry about. The law is specifically designed to prevent officers from stopping suspected illegals without cause in the first place.
    And Niners fan in Paris, good use of the constitution in your post that really validates your argument. Did ACORN send you an email with those talking points? Lay off the weed dude…hahahaha

  138. Bighittz56 says: May 31, 2010 11:17 PM

    hamburglar- “retarted people”
    I lol’d
    realitypolice-”If you’re brown and legal in AZ- I empathize with whatever profiling you suffer through. But the profiling didn’t arise out of thin air- millions of mexicans and other latinos entering our country illegally caused that.”
    I agree. One of the most intelligent statements I have read here.
    3 pronged solution:
    1) Build a freaking wall. We can put men on the moon, eradicate diseases, and become the most powerful country in the world but we can’t invest in some serious concrete? If there is nothing stopping illegals from strolling across the border any time they wish, they will continue to do so.
    2) Hit the employers hard with fines and jail time. If no one hires them, they have no incentive to come here.
    3) Enforce the current federal laws on illegals, or build state laws that are actually enforced. Someone that crosses the border 7 times and is still free to come here again is a problem. These people need to pay a visit to tent city for 6 months for first offense, 2 years for the second, 10 years for each additional violation. I will gladly take an increase in taxes to support mandatory jail sentences for illegal immigrants.

  139. SagNasty says: May 31, 2010 11:21 PM

    Actually……Feeley and the rest of the sheep regurgitating the plain/beck/rush doctrine are wrong. The far right “killed” an attempt at immigration reform because it allowed a path to citizenship……and in the same breadth accuse the federal government of not having the political courage to attempt a comprehensive overhaul of the immigration system in this country. That’s called hypocrisy. Oh, and I love how defenders of the AZ bill cite the fact that it expressly prohibits racial profiling…….yet omit to cite that such express prohibition was a recent amendment that was passed only after the fire storm that followed the bill’s passing….and it means nothing given that enforcement demands law enforcement to make decisions based on “reasonable judgement.” Wonder what that reasonable judgement will be based on? What Feeley just doesn’t get is that if all illegal immigrants were kicked out of the country, our economy would cease to function as we know it. The last thing this country needs is another ideologue who doesn’t understand real world consequences to the “policies” they rant on about. And when the game is on the line…..Feeley is a choker.

  140. Occam says: May 31, 2010 11:21 PM

    “I love it when Obamcrats paint the Tea Party people this way. Ridicule them and they will go away, right? While I am not one myself, it still bothers me when someone so blatantly ignores facts in this fashion.”
    I went to photograph an early Tea Party rally. What they were mostly rallying for was smaller and (most importantly) more responsible and accountable government. While they were certainly a little to the right of my political ground, I remember thinking to myself that it would be a great thing for this country if the left formed a similar group to demand accountability and responsibility from the government. It would be a nice change, anyway, from what we’ve seen the past few decades.
    Sadly, and perhaps predictably, hyper-partisanship won’t allow both the left and the right to share an idea. Even if it’s a good and needed idea. I don’t know. Perhaps demanding a balanced budget, constitutionality, an understandable tax system, and reducing earmarks are really bad ideas, and I’m just not seeing it.

  141. .Vox Veritas. says: May 31, 2010 11:24 PM

    “That way the tea party wackos could have their own country with no taxes, lots of religion in schools, guns for every citizen, the death penalty for all immigrants and retarted people, and no medical insurance for the elderly/kids.”
    Funny you should mention eugenics. Eugenics are and have always been a liberal thing. Abortion is a part of that. If “Obamacare” ever gets started, you’ll learn a lot more about it. Especially as it relates to the elderly.
    I suppose your “country” would be the one where everybody gets the same thing no matter how much effort is exerted. It’s been tried, kid. Communism and socialism are noble but failed ideologies. Removing incentive (the motivation of prospering through hard work) to excel cripples society and *always* ends up with a gun being pointed at somebody else’s head. In this case, it would probably be your head and you’re too dumb to realize it.

  142. calisteelerfan says: May 31, 2010 11:26 PM

    If u don’t like the rules and laws in place do something about it. Serve your country, register to vote, serve your country, do something productive. Love it or leave it I was a soldier and served with people from all walks of life that love this country…… I invite no challenge all of you that come here for freedoms to do something about those freedoms besides bitch if it wasn’t for us you would have no freedoms!!!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  143. .Vox Veritas. says: May 31, 2010 11:28 PM

    “Feeley knows that his comments will bring the rednecks scurrying from underneath the woodwork. These same people will cheer for their own players, but as soon as they leave the field, their heroes are not real Americans because they aren’t white. Can you say hypocritical?”
    Nice strawman, strawman.

  144. Allied Biscuit says: May 31, 2010 11:30 PM

    hell, florio, why don’t you just post an article about abortion? my god. you all fell for the trap.

  145. Bite-me-Florio says: May 31, 2010 11:30 PM

    Its soo cool to see my football brethren actually feel the same way i do. Most everyone who posted here is in support of the AZ bill. Bravo to each of you, and shame on those who speak out without knowledge of the situation. I too am joining the Jay Feely Fan club. I hate the Cardinals but the cardinal is my state bird and JF is a new hero of mine so i might have to buy the Jersey. Good for you Feely.

  146. TFBuckFutter says: May 31, 2010 11:37 PM

    “.Vox Veritas. says:
    May 31, 2010 10:57 PM
    Not necessarily. The country is overwhelmingly conservative to some degree.”
    “Overwhelmingly to some degree”?
    Congratulations. That was the stupidest thing that wasn’t very intelligent ever said today.

  147. Occam says: May 31, 2010 11:41 PM

    “BUTT NAKED RAIDERS FAN says:
    THIS IS A BLOG ABOUT X’S AND O’S. LET’S JUST KEEP IT THAT WAY. ”
    I believe you’re thinking of the “Tic-Tac-Toe” blog.

  148. monet99 says: May 31, 2010 11:44 PM

    Nobody with an IQ over 4 could possibly support this bill. It is completly idiotic that Amercan citizens will be constantly stopped because they look illegal. Feely is an idiot showing up on Sean Hannity’s show. Hannity is the biggest idiot on tv.

  149. Ken West says: May 31, 2010 11:45 PM

    Obama is right of Regan, the health care bill is basically what Dole wanted in the 90′s.
    You won even the DEM is a REP. Congrats.

  150. monet99 says: May 31, 2010 11:53 PM

    Arizona says they had to do this because the Federal Government has not done enough.
    While that is probably true this is a terrible solution.
    JIBFEST you are a clown.

  151. jimmySee says: May 31, 2010 11:56 PM

    We all know that a libertarian is a republican who wants to smoke dope and get laid.

  152. swervinmervin says: May 31, 2010 11:58 PM

    Too many ignorant and slackjawed rednecks around here….

  153. DcNinerFan says: Jun 1, 2010 12:07 AM

    NinerFanInParis – It’s OK, brother… You can come back from Socialism. We won’t bite, I swear.
    Just keep waving that “everyone who disagrees with me is racist” shtick, it’ll be easier to spot you when the revolution hits and Americans finally get sick of Liberals trying to turn us into a Sharia/Socialist country. First against the wall, mate. Big Government European Union about to collapse, the Euro is almost dead (as it should be), Socialist Medicine is failing all throughout Europe (because of the massive immigration problem they are having, oddly enough), budgets waaaay overinflated, roughly 25% of taxes go towards subsidizing the lazy… Enjoy!
    I’ll tell you what, how about we send all our Illegals over to France and you lot take care of them. That way you are happy and we are happy. Deal? Do me a favor, don’t comment if you don’t live here and deal with the massive over-expenditure on care for Illegals.

  154. Sunfish says: Jun 1, 2010 12:14 AM

    I love the whole “I have no position on the matter…..” followed up with an opinion/position on the matter……….you sir a a joke

  155. Munze Konza says: Jun 1, 2010 12:49 AM

    I am living in Europe and I can be stopped fo rno reason and asked to show my paperwork allowing me to be in the country. Police can also stop drivers for random document checks even if they are just driving down the road legally.
    What the people of AZ have done is democratically vote for a law which is not unconstitutional. The power of the states is a wonderful thing, and people in Ohio should have no say about AZ trying to get control of their illegal immigration problem.
    Now…back to football. Can Tebow hold for Favre kicks?

  156. BenInAZ says: Jun 1, 2010 12:52 AM

    Monet99, why is this a terrible solution? The wording of the bill directly mirrors that of federal law. Suspected illegals will only be asked for a driver’s license during the course of a normal criminal investigation, not while walking down the street.
    If you don’t live in southern Arizona, it might be a little bit easier to feel for the plight of illegal immigrants. If you were here in the thick of it, I guarantee you that you would have a different opinion.
    I am not racist, bigoted or anything like that. I am just a property owner in southeastern Arizona, 45 minutes from the border, with a family. Things have gone from bad to worse, and our governor did what she could to help us. If you don’t like it, then don’t move here.

  157. bigbolt says: Jun 1, 2010 1:45 AM

    So, because you are 100% against ILLEGAL immigration that makes you a redneck? Get an F’n clue, people.
    There is LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration. Every country in this world cracks down on ILLEGAL immigration harder than the US. Hell, even Mexico does! Yet for some reason any person supporting Arizona’s decision is a redneck, racist, Nazi? Comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany is the most ignorant, off the charts ridiculous moronic thing I’ve ever seen on this board. The people saying it must have the brain power of a damn bar stool.

  158. SpartaChris says: Jun 1, 2010 2:07 AM

    Lets get something straight- Being opposed to illegal immigration does NOT make you racist. Nor does it make you a “redneck.” I know some of you are too feeble minded to be able to comprehend that little statement, but the fact is I am neither racist, nor a redneck, and I whole heartedly support Arizona’s law. Frankly, I don’t think it’s strong enough, but at least it’s a step in the right direction.
    One more thing- there is absolutely nothing unconstitutional or racist about Arizona’s law. In fact, it goes out of it’s way to point out that race is not to be a factor when questioning someone’s legal status. In four places. Perhaps some of you left wing libtards should consider turning off Olberman and MSNBC and actually read the bill. You might learn something.

  159. Patrick says: Jun 1, 2010 2:40 AM

    “Actually yes they will. All imigrants are required by law to carry documentation on them at all times. In fact when they are issued their papers they are actually notified that they must carry proof of immigration status at all times.” ……Cool all for that stuff ….My fault I should have been more clear …how will passengers who are “citizens” who happen to have left their “papers” at home be treated ….Being that the driver no matter where you are born must provide the standard license and registration etc….Can everyone in the car be asked for documentation? If a passenger going along for a ride born in the U.S. doesn’t have his/her wallet with will they be held up/detained until they can provide proof of citizenship in the future?

  160. rolli1967 says: Jun 1, 2010 2:44 AM

    bogart says:
    May 31, 2010 7:20 PM
    Illegal hispanics go home! As a matter of fact, it would be good if most of the legal immigrant hispanics would go home. 45% of all legal hispanic immigrants are on one or more welfare programs. Hispanics have the highest highschool drop out rate, the highest birth rate and the highest welfare rate of any group in the US! Hispanics should be embarrassed and ashamed!Instead, they march with their welfare dependant children, break the laws and talk about their RIGHTS!
    ————————————————-
    HeyBogart,
    You sound like an ignorant racist, why don’t you and your supporters on this thread just admit it and then hide behind your stupid white sheets!!!
    According to the federal government the ethicities of families receiving Aid to Families with Dependant Children (welfare) is as follows:
    White 38.8%
    Black 39.8%
    Hispanic 15.7%
    Asian 2.4%
    other 3.3%
    The racial composition of the US prison and jail population as of 2008 was 33.44% White American (non-Hispanic), 40.21% African American (non-Hispanic), 20.29% Hispanic, and 6.06% Other. (From: U.S Bureau of Justice)
    You are WRONG on both counts racist MORON.
    NEXT TIME CEHCK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU POST YOUR GARBAGE, LOSER!!
    I am NOT a bleeding heart liberal either, I am a white conservative Republican from Ohio who is a NOT RACIST. I fully support the Arizona law on ILLEGAL aliens becuase the federal government has failed to uphold its responsibility to secure the borders, as outlined in Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Contrary to your venomous post I have found Hispanic-Americans and legal immigrants to be hard-working, family minded, loyal patriots.
    I served with many Hispanic-Americans during my 21 years in the U.S Air Force including service in Iraq and they all served with distinction.
    SHAME ON YOU Bogart for being such an ignorant, racist pig. Stop polluting our great country with your racist garbage.

  161. steelerfan9598 says: Jun 1, 2010 6:50 AM

    How come the ILLEGAL part gets left out when the Arizona bashers speak? You need to be stopped for a CRIME before they ask for your ‘papers’. Last time I got popped for speeding, I believe the nice police officer said something about him wanting to see my license – otherwise known as my ‘documentation’ that I belong here and that it’s ok if I drive a car.

  162. RickyRico says: Jun 1, 2010 7:00 AM

    You can always tell a coward by the subtle inferences to his past trying to belittle people’s opinion. No, Florio, there were plenty of legal immigrants and Americans who worked seven days a week back then to build this nation. You would have not been stomping grapes now either. You are far too weak for that. You would have been stuffing a cannoli in your mouth from your house crying because your parents asked you to take out the garbage. Now, an American citizen speaks his mind, and Cannoli boy screams discrimination. Were your parents W.O.P.s (with out papers), and the guilt of illegal immigration in your family history is killing you? No, I guarantee that your great great grandparent probably saved for months, and came to Ellis Island full of hopes and dreams after getting the chance to come to our beloved shores. They did it legally, pal, and instead of gratitude for a nation of laws that protected legal immigration ( which we have with Mexico by the way) from all over the world, you snivel and whine about people who could care less about the rules and hope you are ignoring the obvious. Why, if you care so deeply for their plight don’t you get millions of your fellow liberals together and reimburse the state of Arizona for the costs that these illegals and their children have imposed upon the legal citizens of Arizona, and have shut down hospitals, clinics, and overburdened schools thanks to the Federal Government’s latest version of “Don’t ask, don’t tell?” Kudos to Feeley and The Arizona Cardinals who hired him. The Constitution is to be defended, not ignored.

  163. theravenlives2 says: Jun 1, 2010 7:10 AM

    Looks like conservatives have given up being compassionate.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    OK, I’ll type slow so you can get this. We are plenty compassionate…towards our fellow citizens. They’re the ones they talk about in the constitution – you know, the document that Obama uses as toilet paper each and every day.
    A few of you on the left make a good point or two, like yes, we do need to crack down on business owners who hire illegals. Also, both parties benefit from the system being the way it is…one wants votes (dumocrats), one wants labor (GOP). But here’s where the debate goes south.
    It has been, is, and always will be the FEDERAL government’s job to defend our borders. The MEXICAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT does the same thing. It is not the Federal governments job to give you cradle-to-grave security. Look at our friends in Greece. They have this generous social welfare system, and now they can’t afford it anymore. They’ve essentially been putting all these freebies on a credit card, and now the bill is due and they can’t pay it. I fear we are headed down the same road here.
    With that said, one way to solve this is to protect our borders and only pay for the people we have to. It is not your or my problem that the Mexican economy can not support these folks. That’s Mexico’s problem.

  164. Dick Gozinia says: Jun 1, 2010 7:14 AM

    There should be border guards, and a clearly marked no man’s land. When any unauthorized person or persons is found in that zone, they should be shot, no questions asked.
    All problems solved. Race, sex, religion would not be a consideration. Equal opportunity death for illegals.

  165. BonnieD says: Jun 1, 2010 7:34 AM

    All Arizona is doing is enforcing an already existing Arizona law. And I totally support LEGAL immigration, not ILLEGAL immigration. This is so unfair to the immigrants who come here legally and follow the process.

  166. TheRedBengal says: Jun 1, 2010 8:03 AM

    Just to add to the French hate, their retirement age is 50. They started rioting when their legislators talked about pushing it back to 55. Greece’s age is 48…wonder why the Euro is done?

  167. Old School says: Jun 1, 2010 8:14 AM

    Small wonder that GE aka NBC took you in Florio. You are the Olbermann of football blogs. Keep it up. Maybe Rahm will offer you a job in Obama’s Bolshevik Heaven. You could paint the White House Soviet red.

  168. Rev. Dr. HollywoodWags says: Jun 1, 2010 8:20 AM

    It is incredible that the Fifth Column is inhabiting everything from NFL gossip to the White House.
    Hey Moe, let’s just do away with the southern border, it looks like your guy Barry wants to do that.
    Is that right?
    Did you vote for Robert KKK Byrd?

  169. Dawkphan says: Jun 1, 2010 8:27 AM

    AMEN Jay ! He is just making sense.
    If you want to come into this country come in through the Front door , the right way. Dont break in through the back door or window. Do it the LEGAL WAY How hard is that to understand?
    I just don’t understand the liberal view ????

  170. The Real Shuxion says: Jun 1, 2010 8:38 AM

    Testicles……..
    This is what I have contributed to the debate.

  171. Chapnasty2 says: Jun 1, 2010 8:51 AM

    goodjuan says:
    May 31, 2010 10:24 PM
    what do you as a natural born citizen carry on you that proves you’re a citizen? now consider that question if you’re unlucky enough to be brown in AZ.
    ———————————————–
    It’s called a driver’s license which contains a number that while run through the thing called a computer will provide our criminal history, DOB, address past and present and our status. Keep throwing race out there moron, unfortunately it doesn’t work anymore to scare people into beleiving one way or another.

  172. bobhoo says: Jun 1, 2010 9:04 AM

    Stop_Whining,
    Whats your point, when you say Feely sounds like a imported name. What that have to do with illegal’s? Rolli1967, please spare us the typical percentage crap. I lived in Az and guess what? Most residents are hispanic or part hispanic, and are for the law (the one they followed). Go live there and pay 3 x the normal rate for car insurance(Guess why?). Go live around the crime and gangs, see what you think then. If you do go stay north west of I-10 or you will not come back and stay away from Indian School road (death trap).

  173. Occam says: Jun 1, 2010 9:07 AM

    “Nobody with an IQ over 4 could possibly support this bill. It is completly idiotic that Amercan citizens will be constantly stopped because they look illegal.”
    Nobody with an IQ over 4 could possibly think that the bill means that American citizens will be constantly stopped because they look illegal. You’ll be interested to find that it very specifically says that people can’t be stopped/checked based on looks.
    But why let the facts get in the way of your opinion? That would require thinking, and no one really wants to think.

  174. poonhok says: Jun 1, 2010 9:09 AM

    ” It is completly idiotic that Amercan citizens will be constantly stopped because they look illegal.”
    =====
    Actually, it’s idiotic to read the bill and think it says that…try again, sheep…..

  175. Bite-me-Florio says: Jun 1, 2010 9:11 AM

    Its soo cool to see my football brethren actually feel the same way i do. Most everyone who posted here is in support of the AZ bill. Bravo to each of you, and shame on those who speak out without knowledge of the situation. I too am joining the Jay Feely Fan club. I hate the Cardinals but the cardinal is my state bird and JF is a new hero of mine so i might have to buy the Jersey. Good for you Feely.

  176. OranjelloJones says: Jun 1, 2010 9:28 AM

    Over 150 responses have already shot holes the size of Idaho in your post Florio so I’ll just address some of the mistakes made by my fellow posters…
    # Dexter Morgan says: May 31, 2010 8:47 PM
    “Not all Republicans are racist, but most racists are Republican.”
    I love the bright bulbs on the left who don’t know their history, let alone current events…
    The House of Representatives passed the 1964 Civil rights Act by 289 to 126, a vote in which 79% of Republicans and 63% of Democrats voted yes. The Senate vote was 73 to 27, with 21 Democrats and only 6 Republicans voting no. The chief opponents were Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, of later Watergate fame, Albert Gore Sr., and Robert Byrd. Senator Byrd, a former Klansman whom Democrats still call “the conscience of the Senate”, filibustered against the civil rights bill for fourteen straight hours before the final vote.
    It didn’t end there though since most of the southern state Governments were under control of segregationist Democrats. A REPUBLICAN federal judge named Frank Johnson and appointed by IKE who did much of the desegregating of many facilities in the South. He overturned the black in the back of the bus law with his first decision. Interestingly enough he met staunch rsistance from segregationists like George Wallace, Lester Maddox, and other Democrat Governors. Hmmm shouldn’t that be backwards since all the racists are Republicans?
    Another funny one is that Arizona isn’t doing anything to go after employers of Illegals. Good Lord you idiots, you’re on the freakin internet, doing just a LITTLE reserach before you run your gob isn’t even an effort. Christ on a crutch do some freakin reading!…
    “January 1, 2008
    Arizona puts into effect the nation’s toughest workplace enforcement law. It is aimed at punishing employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Many other states are watching Arizona’s example and considering similar legislation.”

  177. OranjelloJones says: Jun 1, 2010 9:38 AM

    Hey rolli that’s interesting data, but it does nothing at all to disprove bogart’s numbers.
    He talked about percentage of the Hispanic population, you talked about percentage of the country.
    Big difference.
    He talked about welfare rates, birth rates and dropout rates within that given population, you talked about crime rates and welfare rates on a National level, the perspective is off for your answer. I don’t necessarily agree with his argument but you gotta do a better job of addressing what he actually said if you plan on nuking his numbers.

  178. poonhok says: Jun 1, 2010 9:45 AM

    “Not all Republicans are racist, but most racists are Republican. ”
    -=====
    If you’re looking for racism, just go to church with obama and listen to his spiritual mentor….

  179. The Real Shuxion says: Jun 1, 2010 10:00 AM

    @ OranjelloJones
    Sir, the liberals in this country do not appreciate your FACTS. Nor have they ever.
    Also leave the following facts out of your argument:
    1. Senator Robery Byrd (D – West Virginia) is a former member of the KKK
    2. BP is one of Obama’s largest campaign donors.
    3. The reason we have to drill underwater is because the environmental extremists wouldn’t let us do it on land. (Which if we did we would have cleaned the mess by now)
    4. The two wars we are fighting are still going on even with Obama as president (So they must be worth fighting, right?)
    5. Two of the most liberal European countries (Greece and Spain) are on the verge of economic collapse (Well Greece already collapsed.)

  180. IV:XXMileHigh says: Jun 1, 2010 10:00 AM

    The Statue of Liberty used to read:
    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
    Now it says No Vacancy?????

  181. Ryan35 says: Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM

    I just wonder how long before they can pull you over because you are wearing a sports hat, which they consider “Gang Related”? or “Gang Colors?
    Just wondering?

  182. Chapnasty2 says: Jun 1, 2010 10:31 AM

    IV:XXMileHigh says:
    June 1, 2010 10:00 AM
    The Statue of Liberty used to read:
    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
    Now it says No Vacancy?????
    _________________________________
    It doesn’t say that. It says go to the back of the line and come in legally so that we can protect ourselves against 21st centruy problems that weren’t problems when the statue of liberty was built.

  183. larazaboycottazgoahead says: Jun 1, 2010 10:32 AM

    you fools that call us here in Arizona and the people throughout the country, nazis, bigots, rednecks, etc. ….keep chirpin and simply don’t come to AZ or any of the other states that will follow Arizona’s lead, states that have values and want people to follow laws…Welcome to AZ Jay…I’m glad you are a Cardinal

  184. Dawkphan says: Jun 1, 2010 10:33 AM

    IV:XXMileHigh,
    Again, there is a difference from coming here LEGALLY, and abiding by the rules.
    What is it about ILEAGAL that you don’t understand ???

  185. Patsfan1776 says: Jun 1, 2010 10:36 AM

    One last thing for those with comments about European / white invaders.
    The Mexicans speak Spanish and the last time I looked Spain was in Europe. And it was the Spanish that came into the Americas and dragged out all of the gold. Somehow they seem to get a pass and the Northern Europeans get blamed.
    The solution to the entire mess would be to annex Mexico. Every Mexican would become a US citizen and we could have Spanish speaking states down there. Problem solved.

  186. poonhok says: Jun 1, 2010 10:46 AM

    “The Statue of Liberty used to read:
    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
    Now it says No Vacancy?????”
    ====
    Those words were written in a time when people were coming here to WORK, learn the language and assimilate to become NON-HYPENATED AMERICANS, not have anchor babies and live on welfare the rest of their lives….

  187. patpatriotagain says: Jun 1, 2010 11:10 AM

    If florio had to live in neighborhood where illegals were driving up the violent crime rate, or running across the border with bales of weed, methinks he’d have a different opinion.

  188. The Oven says: Jun 1, 2010 11:29 AM

    Looks like 98% of PFTers agree. According to the MSM you’re all (except the enlightened 2% here) racists.
    As for the 2% – look up the word sovereignty.
    These will forever be marred as the Bush/Obama years.

  189. spyboots says: Jun 1, 2010 11:30 AM

    “The Statue of Liberty used to read:
    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
    Now it says No Vacancy?????”
    Yes, and they were and still are welcome to enter LEGALLY.

  190. cantgetenough says: Jun 1, 2010 11:53 AM

    It’s quite abvious that many of you haven’t read this law. It’s only 18 pages or so. Here is the gist of it.
    1. The law allows local LE to work together with federal ICE agents. Once someone illegally crosses the border it’s very unlikely that they will run across an ICE agent. The law allows local state and city police to be eyes and ears for federal immigration officers.
    2. The law specifically states that the person being questioned must have been stopped for some other infraction.
    Why is it that a person is deemed ignorant if they disagree with you?

  191. SpartaChris says: Jun 1, 2010 12:04 PM

    IV:XXMileHigh says:
    June 1, 2010 10:00 AM
    The Statue of Liberty used to read:
    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
    Now it says No Vacancy?????
    =======================================
    No, now it says “Follow the rules and you’re welcome.”

  192. tj.52 says: Jun 1, 2010 12:11 PM

    Why is it that most of the pro-Arizona law posters have an educated opinion on the matter and all of the anti-Arizona law posters seem to be 5th graders calling everyone names and spewing left-wing-wacko talking points?
    It’s somewhat refreshing to see that the idiocy of the left hasn’t numbed everyone’s skull yet, even if this is just a sports site.
    Now if everyone would just wake up to the fact that if BP wanted to plug that oil spill they could have done it within the 1st week. (but then they wouldn’t have been able to get any more oil out of it) Ah, whats a little oil in the bayou if it saves your sponsor’s asses, right, Mr. President?

  193. The Real Shuxion says: Jun 1, 2010 12:23 PM

    As someone who is dating (Living with) a LEGAL Chinese immigrant (Go ahead insert your Asian joke here) I can tell you that she makes sure she has the proper documentation wherever she goes.
    And she is a freakin CFO (Insert even Brilliant people have bad judgment joke here), with the taxes she pays this country probably loves having her here.

  194. johnny1979 says: Jun 1, 2010 12:38 PM

    Have to say this for Jay Feely….
    Met him last year at Jets camp in Cortland. Was clearly the most engaging and polite player that came over after practice to sign autographs. Spent time talking to everyone and really seemed like he had a good head on his shoulders. Shook hands with my 10 year old nephews and thanked them for their support. I would think that politics and sports don’t mix, but Feely seems like he’s a pretty well educated individual. I’d probably wait until my career is over though to get really involved in these matters. Living in the state of Arizona, your just asking for trouble.

  195. jibfest says: Jun 1, 2010 1:05 PM

    GBfanForever says:
    May 31, 2010 7:37 PM
    New Arizona state motto:
    “Hey, we’re not like Nazi Germany yet, but we’re pretty darn close!”
    –This is exactly what I’m talking about. People who cannot debate the facts of the issue. They have nothing to back up their side, so they cling to the one thing that they can use, race.
    Also for the record, it was the United States (majority white during that time) that got rid of Hitler. Stupid comment by an another ignorant person. GBFanforeever’s solution, “Let em all in, let them commit crimes, jam up the hospitals, and make the american tax payers foot the bill”. Delusional at best.

  196. DoomsDayD75 says: Jun 1, 2010 1:16 PM

    It’s pretty funny how republicans cry about “big government” and how crappy our government is and then come begging for help from the federal government when they need it.
    The problems on the border aren’t because of illegal immigrants you morons. The DRUG cartels are causing havoc on our borders because they make lots and lots of money selling DRUGS on the black market. If we didn’t have such stupid and archaic drug laws there would be no drug cartels.
    Besides, Arizona and Texas were Mexico before we stole them by force. We could always just give them back to Mexico if they aren’t happy being part of the U.S.

  197. The Black Cat says: Jun 1, 2010 1:30 PM

    A kicker against illegal immigration. Sounds like he’s against job competition to me!

  198. theravenlives2 says: Jun 1, 2010 1:31 PM

    @dawkfan
    AMEN Jay ! He is just making sense.
    If you want to come into this country come in through the Front door , the right way. Dont break in through the back door or window. Do it the LEGAL WAY How hard is that to understand?
    I just don’t understand the liberal view ????
    ————————————————-
    That’s ok, my friend, they don’t undestand it, either. That’s why they have to muddy the water and make no distinction between LEGAL aliens and ILLEGAL aliens. See, if you do it that way, it makes sense. Never expect to hear sense from the left.

  199. Occam says: Jun 1, 2010 1:35 PM

    “Also for the record, it was the United States (majority white during that time) that got rid of Hitler.”
    I’m thinking England, and especially Russia, would have something to say about that.

  200. texasPHINSfan says: Jun 1, 2010 1:54 PM

    Players can’t have opinions now?
    Feely actually just shot up a couple of points in my book. It’s a fair point – if you’re here legally, there won’t be any problems and you have nothing to worry about.
    Why all the outcry for passion for people here illegally? People are missing the point of this legislation…

  201. Dewey Axewoond says: Jun 1, 2010 2:01 PM

    What’s the opposite of “progress”? Congress.
    Man, reading through these comments has largely restored my faith in the American People–that DESPITE the insidious, creeping, ubiquitous leftist propaganda of the lamestream media and the likes of Florio and PMSNBC, people ARE still independent-minded enough and educated enough to see through that commie crap…right on, America, right on.
    I’m all for states’ rights and individual liberties–both which should supercede the federal government, which has become fat, bloated, corrupt, fascist, inefficient, expensive, ever-expanding, parasitic on the U.S. taxpayer, power hungry, incestuous with corporate interests, and self-perpetuating.
    And one of its FEW jobs–to protect our borders–it has failed to do, and miserably so.
    So Arizona effectively has to fight for itself, and its citizens, while also sending out a cry for help–a (careful) RE-AFFIMRATION of an existing federal law.
    Good for them, and for Feeley (my kicker in fantasy football this year, for sure), and for each one of you who sees the truth of this situation–and ignores the ignorant, intellectually lazy kneejerk reaction of liberal name-calling:
    “You racist!”
    There’s just no legal justification for ILlegals;
    the media pushes the myth that they’re all honest, hard-working, blah blah, while downplaying the 50 pound sacks of coke and weed being brought in, the trail of litter and crime, the connections to murderous drug cartels, the exploitation of humanity, and so on.
    Liberals want to blame American businesses, but that’s only a fraction of the picture–they’re not ALL JUST coming here to work in a factory.
    They’re coming for the entitlements and hand-outs, the healthcare and education,
    The only thing it knows how to do is grow, fat, bloated useless tick that is–while the host (taxpayers) get drained more each day.
    It’s currently running the biggest/worst shell game/Ponzi scheme in the history of ALL scams, and this Administration (Regime) is the worst one yet–they’ve got more Trojan Horse programs than the Soviets, who at least were OPEN about their goal to redistribute wealth.
    Honetly, I’m shocked to see such an overwhelmingly enlightened response to this issue–and I’m proud that so many of my fellow Americans are finally waking up from the media-induced slumber and apathy.
    Now, read the Constitution and go vote in November, dammit.
    It is time to restore accountability to our elected officials, get involved, re-connect with our basic Constitutional rights AND responsibilities, and fix the problems that government CAN’T or WON’T.
    Welfare recipients should be required to pass drug tests, and all politicians should be FORCED to abide by whatever damn laws they push on us.
    Stop the spending, balance the budget, protect our borders, put in term limits, and elect Jay Feeley!
    (I’ll be damn shocked if the PFT politcal censors even let this through…)

  202. Dewey Axewoond says: Jun 1, 2010 2:48 PM

    DoomsDayD75 says:
    June 1, 2010 1:16 PM
    It’s pretty funny how republicans cry about “big government” and how crappy our government is and then come begging for help from the federal government when they need it.
    The problems on the border aren’t because of illegal immigrants you morons. The DRUG cartels are causing havoc on our borders because they make lots and lots of money selling DRUGS on the black market. If we didn’t have such stupid and archaic drug laws there would be no drug cartels.
    Besides, Arizona and Texas were Mexico before we stole them by force. We could always just give them back to Mexico if they aren’t happy being part of the U.S.
    _________________________________
    That’s right, we do–our crappy (federal) government has NO business in the following areas:
    our schools/curricula,
    in our bedrooms,
    in our private health care and medical concerns, in telling us what to eat,
    in telling us what to drive,
    in the auto industry,
    in the banking & loan industry,
    in telling us what to buy,
    in taking over the internet,
    in buying million dollar advertising during the Super Bowl,
    in trying to raise MY kids and teach them THEIR views on sex, religion, art, or any other
    controversial issue (as a parent, I am the ultimate authority over my kids, not the state),
    and so on and so on.
    But it IS the goddamm job of the fed to protect our borders, isn’t it?
    That’s the difference–there’s a role for the federal government–just not in our private lives, and not to be competing against private businesses when govt. is the one who gets to make the rules in the first place!
    Is that so hard for you to wrap your mind around? (or will it only reach to the LEFT?)
    You make some valid points–about the drug cartels, etc. However–as much as I hate to burst your pot-fog-bubble, simply “legalizin’ it, dude” isn’t going to be the freaking panacea for all the world’s problems.
    There’s PLENTY of other social/economic/political/criminal forces at work here besides JUST the supply & demand of the drug trade.
    You totally oversimplify the issue, most likely to suit your own thinly-veiled agenda–that you “just wanna go spark a fatty without 5-oh harshin’ your mellow”, or whatever.

  203. muchmaligned says: Jun 1, 2010 2:54 PM

    Jay Feely’s opinion on any subject is of zero consequence to anyone. No one at all.

  204. SpartaChris says: Jun 1, 2010 3:03 PM

    DoomsDayD75 says:
    June 1, 2010 1:16 PM
    It’s pretty funny how republicans cry about “big government” and how crappy our government is and then come begging for help from the federal government when they need it.
    The problems on the border aren’t because of illegal immigrants you morons. The DRUG cartels are causing havoc on our borders because they make lots and lots of money selling DRUGS on the black market. If we didn’t have such stupid and archaic drug laws there would be no drug cartels.
    Besides, Arizona and Texas were Mexico before we stole them by force. We could always just give them back to Mexico if they aren’t happy being part of the U.S.
    =====================================
    Yup, we won the war. We’re not giving the land back, so get over it already.
    The cartels aren’t taking free healthcare, public education and welfare for their illegal alien babies.
    Plus, as was already pointed out, it is the responsibility of the federal government to protect our borders. While they should have little to no place in our private lives, it is their job to serve and protect the American people.

  205. Dewey Axewoond says: Jun 1, 2010 3:12 PM

    Dear President Obama:
    I’m planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.
    We’re planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico , and we’ll need your help to make a few arrangements.
    We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.
    I’m sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I’m on my way over?
    Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:
    1. Free medical care for my entire family.
    2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
    3. Please print all Mexican government forms in English.
    4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.
    5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.
    6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.
    7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
    8. I will need a local Mexican driver’s license so I can get easy access to government services.
    9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but I don’t plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won’t make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.
    10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.
    11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U. S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
    12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.
    13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.
    14. I want to receive free food stamps.
    15. Naturally, I’ll expect free rent subsidies.
    16. I’ll need Income Tax Credits, so although I don’t pay Mexican Taxes, I’ll receive money from the government.
    17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov’t pays $4,500 to help me buy a new car.
    18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I’ll get a monthly income in retirement.
    I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all of HIS people who walk over to the U.S. from Mexico .
    I am sure that President Calderon won’t mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
    Thank you so much for your kind help.

  206. Actlikea2yrold says: Jun 1, 2010 3:13 PM

    i cant wait to be the minority, they get all the cool jobs.

  207. mixman34 says: Jun 1, 2010 3:25 PM

    What a novel concept! Deport ILLEGAL immigrants cause they’re…. here illegally!
    HAHA Still dont get what the debate is about… other than securing a voting block….

  208. Old School says: Jun 1, 2010 3:32 PM

    GBfanForever says:
    May 31, 2010 7:37 PM
    New Arizona state motto:
    “Hey, we’re not like Nazi Germany yet, but we’re pretty darn close!”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++You’re a freakin’ disgrace to Packer fans everywhere. If you live in Wisconsin, I’m thinking it’s in the Peoples Republic of Madison.

  209. Dewey Axewoond says: Jun 1, 2010 3:32 PM

    DoomsDayD75 says:
    June 1, 2010 1:16 PM
    Besides, Arizona and Texas were Mexico before we stole them by force. We could always just give them back to Mexico if they aren’t happy being part of the U.S.
    ________________________________
    Why don’t you set a good example to get us all started and give YOUR property back to the Native Americans?
    And we could give the colonies back to England, because we “stole” them, too?
    And have the Conquistadors give back everything they took…and the French…and the Mongoloian hordes…and Hannibal…and Alexander…and Napoleon…and the Bolsheviks…
    And any people that have ever invaded, conquered, warred with, inter-married/bred with, enslaved, colonized, bartered with, occupied, oppressed, persecuted, or ever affected in any way, let’s make them all un-do what they did, too, okay?
    In fact, let’s just push a big fat imaginary “REWIND” button on ALL of world history, and use the liberal worldview to make right every single “wrong” that happened.
    But like I said–start with giving away YOUR stuff, Mr. Oh Self-Righteous Historic Traveller.

  210. DoomsDayD75 says: Jun 1, 2010 3:32 PM

    @Dewey Axewoond says: June 1, 2010 2:48 PM
    I’m going to spark a doobie whether it’s legal or not buddy. That’s why prohibition didn’t work for alcohol and it’s not working with other drugs. If you recall, prohibition of alcohol and gambling is what created the mafia. It’s also creating drug cartels that are wreaking havoc on our southern border just like Chicago in the 20′s and 30′s. That’s how the world works.
    Illegal immigrants are just a scapegoat for a much broader problem. Hell without illegal immigrants most southern economies would completely collapse. Most southern business owners don’t want to spend money on legal workers because they cost too much, so they turn to illegals. As much as white racists want to cry about them, we need them and Arizona is going to figure that out real soon.

  211. this class sucks says: Jun 1, 2010 4:14 PM

    Here is my problem with the immigration law: it is ineffective and a waste of tax payer money.
    When you get pulled over (lets say for speeding) and the officer asks you for your ID you can refuse to give it to him. If he thinks you are an illegal immigrant and asks for your ID and proof of legal entry, you can refuse to give it to him. This right is protected by the constitution. So even if a police officer, under the new law, has the right to request ID simply based on the suspicion that someone is an illegal immigrant, the person he is asking has the federal right to say no. So it is an ineffective law.
    As far as it being a waste of tax payer money: if a police officer catches someone here illegally, under the new law, we put them in jail for a year before sending them back. It costs up to $80,000 a year to house someone in jail. So thats $80,000 of tax payer money down the drain housing someone who, when released, will still probably come right back here anyway.
    The only thing it will accomplish (which in my mind makes it worth it) is there will be a full blown federal immigration policy, something that is much needed.
    @Dewey Axewoond
    Learn you history buddy. We didn’t “steal” land from England. They were taxing us with “virtual” representation (which means people who didn’t live in the colonies were “representing” us) only. We were basically economically enslaved to England. That war was over freedom. The land was already ours, they were just taxing us on it.

  212. DcNinerFan says: Jun 1, 2010 4:42 PM

    Patsfan1776 – “The solution to the entire mess would be to annex Mexico.”
    Oh God, that would be the worst action possible. Do you think we could survive and extra, conservatively, 100 million welfare cases overnight? Look at what SMALL countries like Greece are doing to the EU. Imagine what a massive population increase would do to the US, we would turn third world overnight… Worst idea ever.

  213. shazard01 says: Jun 1, 2010 5:02 PM

    I can’t wait for it to go into effect in late July and challenges are made in court. This LAW will be UPHELD in any court in the land. Can you believe the president of mexico coming here and ragging on this? Image what would happen if we passed their laws on immigration!
    After it’s UPHELD the people who oppose it can go pound sand!
    Other states the follow!

  214. Florida727 says: Jun 1, 2010 5:12 PM

    Maybe I mis-read Feeley’s comments, but I didn’t hear him “taking sides”. I heard him opining that the federal government… again… has f–ked up, which, and here’s a surprise, they have! Besides, like others have stated, try reading the law before criticizing it. You have to have been pulled over FOR ANOTHER OFFENSE before being asked for proof of legal residency. Get the facts straight before criticizing the law. At least AZ has the guts to do something.

  215. jibfest says: Jun 1, 2010 5:28 PM

    monet99 says:
    May 31, 2010 11:53 PM
    Arizona says they had to do this because the Federal Government has not done enough.
    While that is probably true this is a terrible solution.
    JIBFEST you are a clown.
    –monet, I guarentee I could smoke you in a debate about anything. “While this is probably true”?. You must live with your head in the sand or you simply don’t care. Illegals are literally draining Arizona into bankruptcy. They didn’t do this because they wanted to, they have no alternative. Get back to clown when you know about prominent issues affecting our country. Until then keep living in denial with your head up your a, or in the sand, wherever you like to stash it.

  216. Dewey Axewoond says: Jun 1, 2010 5:31 PM

    @ this class sucks
    The class you’re referring to must’ve been English, and you must’ve missed the lesson on “irony”–specifically, the verbal kind, otherwise known as “sarcasm”.

  217. jibfest says: Jun 1, 2010 5:36 PM

    rolli1967 says:
    June 1, 2010 2:44 AM
    –When people put out those stats to back up their arguments, it is hilarious. Of course there are more white on welfare and more whites leading the stats because guess what, THERE ARE MORE WHITES IN THIS COUNTRY”. You just eliminated yourself from intelligent conversation or debate. Proportionately, FAR less whites are on welfare than the minority races. I’m going to take a guess and say you have never taken a statistics course in your life.

  218. jibfest says: Jun 1, 2010 5:49 PM

    this class sucks says:
    Make this a National Law, have a tier system of fines based on the reported income a company makes, cut off the handouts, etc. Drive em out, problem done. The problem is the Democrats want to secure votes as Obama is cozying right up to them. If Bush tried to do anything, the latinos would be out in full force saying he is racist. I seem to recall the “Minute Men” going down to the border and people flipping out. The Minute Men were a conservative group that wanted the problem addressed, and they were met with nothing but racist claims because they are like AZ and sick of this issue being allowed to continue.
    Make me president, I’ll solve this specific mess in 30 days. Heavy fines, zero handouts, see ya later illegals.
    You are correct in saying we didn’t steal land from the English. Boston Tea Party, Boston Massacre, Townshed Act, etc. The British were trying to run the show in this country taxing us left and right.
    Here is a challenge to anyone who opposes this bill. Give me all the reasons why this bill is not a good idea. When that is done, I will give you the “Pro’s” of this bill and we will see who has more reasons, the pro or the con. Oh one more thing, you can’t list “Racist” for every con, as much as you might want to.

  219. NFLchick says: Jun 1, 2010 5:50 PM

    Some of the comments on this page are ridiculous. You do realize Arizona has jumped into Hitler territory right?
    How many of you “citizens” carry around your birth certificates or passports on a daily basis? Would you even have the necessary ID on hand if you were stopped and asked to prove your citizenship? I mean really.
    And how exactly are police going to enforce this law? Will there be random stops of every person in Arizona to check their papers or will there be targeted searches? And if there are targeted sweeps who will be targeted? What does an illegal look like? Will every white person be asked for their papers, as they may possibly be illegals from Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, etc., or will it just be brown-skinned people who are subjected to this treatment?
    And if all the illegals in Arizona are rounded up to be shipped back to their respective homelands, how will “citizens” feel about paying twice as much for their food, goods and services? You do realize that the price of virtually everything will go up if employers are forced to pay legal wages right? And speaking of citizens who employ illegals, why aren’t THEY being rounded up for breaking the law? Why target the workers when it’s the employers who create the situation. If there was no work for illegals do you really think they’d stay?
    Face it, this is a racist law that is not only ineffectual but downright stupid. Fear once again trumps sense in America, which is fast becoming one of the most xenophobic nations on earth. It’s disgusting.

  220. kombayn says: Jun 1, 2010 5:59 PM

    While I think Arizona has the right to fix their immigration problem, I still can’t agree to a law that says, “if you look illegal, we can pull you over.” It’s racial profiling, I guarantee you the only people getting pulled over of a Latino/Mexican decent and not white or black people who could be illegal as well. That’s the problem with the issue, it’s blatant racial profiling and that’s wrong. America does need to fix the immigration problem so they’re not draining social security, not paying taxes, and using our systems without paying it back. Bush wanted amnesty for the people already here and he was actually right, give them amnesty, make them pay a big fine to stay in the country and make them pay their taxes. Problem solved.

  221. NFLchick says: Jun 1, 2010 6:03 PM

    kotapug says: “The law is for ILLEGAL immigrants you dumb ass!!!!! People like you that support these law breaking free loaders are the reason this country is turning to shit and all of us hard working legal citizens have to pay out of our ass for everything.”
    Speaking of dumb asses, you really need to give your head a shake. Exactly what percentage of the prison population in the US are American citizens and what percentage are illegal immigrants? Any clue? I thought not, or you’d realize the vast majority of law breakers are indeed American citizens.
    Also, most illegal immigrants are here working under the table to earn a pittance to help support their families. Who employs them and gives them a reason to come to America illegally? Why it’s American citizens!
    So if you like stuff cheap and don’t want to pay through the nose for landscaping, construction, hotel stays, child and elder care, etc. you might want to open your mind for a second and realize you’ve labelled a giant swath of the population that serves your needs with your ignorance.
    If you are so damned concerned about illegal immigrants why not start reporting the companies that employ them? Why not go after those American citizens who would rather illegally pay someone less than minimum wage than hire one of their fellow citizens at a reasonable rate? Why focus on the cogs in the wheel, the desperate and poor who are just trying to make a better life for themselves?
    I submit it’s because you don’t actually have a problem with paying less for products and services and having those unseemly jobs, the ones that Americans think they are too good to take, filled by illegal workers; it’s about racism. I mean exactly how are you going to identify an illegal white Canadian (especially when they sound alot like a legal white Minnesotan)?

  222. jibfest says: Jun 1, 2010 6:22 PM

    Why did they take down my post? Some liberal sitting behind a desk doesn’t like facts?

  223. DoomsDayD75 says: Jun 1, 2010 6:42 PM

    @Dewey Axewoond
    You keep calling me a liberal like it’s an insult. It’s not.

  224. SpartaChris says: Jun 1, 2010 7:19 PM

    NFLchick says:
    June 1, 2010 5:50 PM
    Some of the comments on this page are ridiculous. You do realize Arizona has jumped into Hitler territory right?

    Yeah, because executing millions of jews and deporting illegal aliens are the same thing. Geez, get a grip.
    How many of you “citizens” carry around your birth certificates or passports on a daily basis? Would you even have the necessary ID on hand if you were stopped and asked to prove your citizenship? I mean really.
    Yes. It’s called a drivers license. To get one you have to prove you’re a legal citizen. Besides, it’s federal law that legal immigrants who are either visiting or on a workers visa carry their immigration documents on them.
    And how exactly are police going to enforce this law? Will there be random stops of every person in Arizona to check their papers or will there be targeted searches? And if there are targeted sweeps who will be targeted? What does an illegal look like? Will every white person be asked for their papers, as they may possibly be illegals from Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, etc., or will it just be brown-skinned people who are subjected to this treatment?
    Sheesh, turn off the MSNBC and Keith Olberman rhetoric for a minute and, you know, READ the friggin bill already. In 4 places it clearly states that race cannot be a determining action when pulling someone over. The police are only able to ask for proof of citizenship when initiating a police action. So if you get pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, having a busted tail light, speeding, whatever, only then can you be asked for proof of citizenship.
    And if all the illegals in Arizona are rounded up to be shipped back to their respective homelands, how will “citizens” feel about paying twice as much for their food, goods and services? You do realize that the price of virtually everything will go up if employers are forced to pay legal wages right? And speaking of citizens who employ illegals, why aren’t THEY being rounded up for breaking the law? Why target the workers when it’s the employers who create the situation. If there was no work for illegals do you really think they’d stay?
    I agree a multi pronged enforcement needs to take place. Simultaneously attacking the companies who employ illegal aliens while deporting illegals you gather up in your arrests makes the most sense. As to your other question, I’ll happily pay more for my vegetables if it means Americans and not illegal aliens are doing the work. That said, there is no study that shows food prices will skyrocket astronomically should we get rid of all the illegal aliens. Small increases, sure, but you won’t be paying $10 for a tomato or potato or head of lettuce, despite what Keith Olberman tells you.
    Face it, this is a racist law that is not only ineffectual but downright stupid. Fear once again trumps sense in America, which is fast becoming one of the most xenophobic nations on earth. It’s disgusting.
    Being opposed to illegal immigration does NOT make one racist or a redneck. And despite popular opinion, this law doesn’t target Mexicans. It targets illegal aliens. Yes, most illegal aliens come from Mexico, but should an illegal alien from Canada or China get popped, they get the same treatment.
    Please, I implore you, look at some facts before responding. Do yourself the favor and do some research. You’ll thank me later.

  225. SpartaChris says: Jun 1, 2010 7:28 PM

    Another thing- To those wishing to label Arizona’s law as racist, have you ever once looked at Mexico’s immigration laws? If not, you should. You want to talk about racist..

  226. this class sucks says: Jun 1, 2010 8:14 PM

    @Dewey Axewoond
    I get that you are being sarcastic. I am implying that you are stupid because you compared what us taking Native American land to us freeing our selves from England. That analogy is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
    @SpartaChris
    Can you read? You quoted that other poster but didn’t seem to respond to anything she said. Allow me to show you the proper way to respond. You said: “To those wishing to label Arizona’s law as racist, have you ever once looked at Mexico’s immigration laws? If not, you should. You want to talk about racist.” My response: This is America you moron. If you feel Mexico is being racist shouldn’t we strive to be better than that? We are talking about illegal immigrants coming into America. Mexico’s immigration policy has nothing to do with that. If you want to immigrate to Mexico, go right ahead and make a fuss because it is hard to do. When you are ready to join the adult conversation about a real problem, please feel free to reenter the conversation but Mexico’s immigration policy, NBC’s liberal leanings, and anything else has nothing to do with what America should about illegal immigrants and the Arizona immigration law. America is not aspiring to try and be like Mexico.
    @jibfest
    I think I agree with your principle idea (although if you could spell out exactly what you mean clearly it would help). Illegal immigration is a problem, but the solution to that problem isn’t going to be “kick them all out” or “build a wall.” Kicking every illegal immigrant is logistically and economically a bad idea. They do provide a lot to our economy, they live here, get cell phones, buy cars, use credit cards, and eat food. The problem is they don’t pay taxes. So lets tax them. Amnesty (an idea supported by both Bush and Obama) is probably a good idea. But that doesn’t solve the future problem of incoming people. The solution to that is make it easier to become a citizen. It costs around $6000 to become a US citizen. I am guessing most illegal immigrants don’t have that much upon entering the country and once they are in don’t see the point. Lets make it free to enter the country and all you have to do is pass a test that covers how our laws and government work. Once they are here legally they can live and work and most importantly pay taxes. Then to keep illegal immigrants out even more just tax the heck out of companies who are caught hiring them. Walmart for example.
    As I stated above (and very few people responded to) this bill in Arizona is wasteful and ineffective. Also, after doing more research, I have discovered that the law is unconstitutional because it is foreign policy and states are not allowed to make such policy. So like it or not, when this bill gets challenged it will probably be repealed, or the constitution will be changed. Even more reason why we need a national, federal, plan on illegal immigration.

  227. Occam says: Jun 1, 2010 8:22 PM

    “I still can’t agree to a law that says, “if you look illegal, we can pull you over.” It’s racial profiling…..”
    I hope that you are just trolling for responses.
    Otherwise, you are just hopelessly ignorant.

  228. NFLchick says: Jun 1, 2010 8:51 PM

    this class sucks says: “I think I agree with your principle idea (although if you could spell out exactly what you mean clearly it would help). Illegal immigration is a problem, but the solution to that problem isn’t going to be “kick them all out” or “build a wall.” Kicking every illegal immigrant is logistically and economically a bad idea. They do provide a lot to our economy, they live here, get cell phones, buy cars, use credit cards, and eat food. The problem is they don’t pay taxes. So lets tax them.”
    While I agree with the vast majority of your post I just want to clarify one thing: illegal immigrants do pay taxes, just not usually income tax. They pay taxes on food, products, services, etc. and there are taxes rolled into their rent.
    And while the vast majority of them do not pay income tax, that too means that the companies that employ them are not paying payroll taxes either. It would be interesting to know who gets the bigger tax break -the illegal worker being paid a pittance or the company cheating the government on its contribution?
    It’s nice though to see someone else thinking of the bigger picture, rather than a constant parade of neanderthals afraid of anyone with a different colour of skin. As the white wife of a brown-skinned Muslim I can absolutely tell you that he gets hassled ALL THE TIME in this country (despite being American born and raised and having served in the U.S. Army), and it’s born of fear and ignorance. I cannot condone the same treatment for anyone, whether they are here legally or not.

  229. NFLchick says: Jun 1, 2010 9:20 PM

    jibfest says: “Also for the record, it was the United States (majority white during that time) that got rid of Hitler. Stupid comment by an another ignorant person.”
    Speaking of stupid comments by ignorant people…
    Dude, brush up on your history, the U.S. wasn’t even in WWII until after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor (we didn’t even declare war on Germany until Germany declared war on us) and it was the Allies that defeated the Nazis.
    Pretty awesome school system those illegal immigrants are taking advantage of if you don’t even know the basic facts of WWII.

  230. this class sucks says: Jun 1, 2010 9:33 PM

    @NFLchick
    You are absolutely correct, sorry I didn’t clarify. Immigrants don’t pay income tax, but they do pay other forms of taxes.

  231. this class sucks says: Jun 1, 2010 9:38 PM

    @Occam
    People like you are the worst kind of people. How about you respond to the quote instead of just saying its stupid with nothing else added. Why do you think its stupid?

  232. hamburglar says: Jun 1, 2010 9:41 PM

    The overwhelming majority of college graduates are Democrats. The overwhelming majority of illiterate adults are Republicans.

  233. trixstal says: Jun 1, 2010 10:26 PM

    I am now a Feely fan.
    Line the busses up!

  234. Occam says: Jun 1, 2010 10:31 PM

    “People like you are the worst kind of people.”
    It turns out, I’m also a racist. I learned that on PFT today. This has been an enlightening thread.
    “How about you respond to the quote instead of just saying its stupid with nothing else added. Why do you think its stupid?”
    Well, to a law which clearly and blatantly states that someone can NOT be interrogated just for ‘looking illegal,’ kombayn stated: “if you look illegal, we can pull you over.”
    But yeah, I suck. I actually read the law before talking about it. The worst kind of people.

  235. Backlund in 2012 says: Jun 1, 2010 10:34 PM

    Between this and the asinine “Pat Tillman should be in the Hall of Fame” story… I almost wish there was another story about Favre or the trailer trash QB for the Steelers. Almost….

  236. BLeedGreeN4Life says: Jun 1, 2010 10:37 PM

    last time i checked this was an NFL forum, not a political debate.

  237. endofoil says: Jun 1, 2010 10:52 PM

    Jay has another break out of that very European Disease, “Foot and Mouth”; adequately talented with one but always wide right with the other. He also spends quite a bit of time giving praise to God. I wonder how God feels about Mexicans, Jay ? Do you think he loves them any less ? Most of Arizona was annexed from Mexico in the 1848 Mexican American War. The rest was purchased in the Gadsden purchase. Instead of building walls and patrolling this border, if money was spend combating poverty south of the border with education and jobs, we could be partners in a community. This is not just Mexico’s responsibility – it is our responsibility, our community, our people, our planet. It’s a more immediate need than Afghanistan or Iraq and likely has a better chance of success.

  238. this class sucks says: Jun 1, 2010 11:13 PM

    @Occam
    See. How hard was that? All you had to do is say why you thought what you thought so people can respond.
    I think that persons issue is that it says you can go after people that look illegal. It also says that you can’t profile based on race. So then the question is: what looks illegal? Can you give me one physical description of someone that looks illegal? And I mean description, not what they are doing or them having a lack of papers, I mean an actual physical description of what the an illegal person looks like.

  239. Bite-me-Florio says: Jun 1, 2010 11:58 PM

    Ignorance is bliss…. thats why the liberals always smile when they talk.

  240. rolli1967 says: Jun 2, 2010 12:55 AM

    hamburglar says:
    June 1, 2010 9:41 PM
    The overwhelming majority of college graduates are Democrats. The overwhelming majority of illiterate adults are Republicans
    ———————————————–
    You truly are a moron, this is the the MOST STUPID comment I have seen on this thread. You give no statistics to back up your claims. Typical elitist liberal arrogance, they THINK they are “smarter” than the majority of Americans who think most liberal ideas are complete garbage.
    American college PROFESSORS are overwelmingly liberal and they do their best brainwash their students into becoming liberal too. Thankfully, they are only partially succsessful, otherwise this country would have been ruined a long time ago by liberals run amok.
    Stick to a prfession you obviously know the best based on your screen-name, ripping off McDonalds hamburgers. MORON!!!!

  241. rolli1967 says: Jun 2, 2010 1:22 AM

    jibfest says:
    June 1, 2010 5:36 PM
    rolli1967 says:
    June 1, 2010 2:44 AM
    –When people put out those stats to back up their arguments, it is hilarious. Of course there are more white on welfare and more whites leading the stats because guess what, THERE ARE MORE WHITES IN THIS COUNTRY”. You just eliminated yourself from intelligent conversation or debate. Proportionately, FAR less whites are on welfare than the minority races. I’m going to take a guess and say you have never taken a statistics course in your life.
    ———————————————–
    Hey Jibfest,
    If you read my post you would see that I SUPPORT the Arizona law, and that something must done about the ILLEGAL immigrant problem.
    Even though I have never taken a statistics class in college I am fully aware that minorities groups porportionally use welfare more than whites do. I quoted the over-all statistics in order for everyone to see the bigger picture.
    I DO have a problem with ignorant people DEMONIZING people who are not WASPS. Bogart says he would like to see even LEGAL Hispanics gone from this country. One can imply from his post that he would like to see Hispanics and whatever other ethnic groups he does not like rounded up and thrown out of the country. I think this kind of thinking is DEAD WRONG. One of the reasons we fought WWII was to defeat ethnic cleansing carried out by Hitler and his minions.
    I am a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN and do NOT have a problem with any immigrant who is here LEGALLY. I do NOT believe in racial bigotry and Bogart’s tone struck me as bigoted.

  242. SpartaChris says: Jun 2, 2010 1:35 AM

    this class sucks says:
    June 1, 2010 8:14 PM
    @SpartaChris
    Can you read? You quoted that other poster but didn’t seem to respond to anything she said. Allow me to show you the proper way to respond. You said: “To those wishing to label Arizona’s law as racist, have you ever once looked at Mexico’s immigration laws? If not, you should. You want to talk about racist.” My response: This is America you moron. If you feel Mexico is being racist shouldn’t we strive to be better than that? We are talking about illegal immigrants coming into America. Mexico’s immigration policy has nothing to do with that. If you want to immigrate to Mexico, go right ahead and make a fuss because it is hard to do. When you are ready to join the adult conversation about a real problem, please feel free to reenter the conversation but Mexico’s immigration policy, NBC’s liberal leanings, and anything else has nothing to do with what America should about illegal immigrants and the Arizona immigration law. America is not aspiring to try and be like Mexico.
    ==============================================
    Yes, I read just fine, thanks. You missed my point, or I didn’t make it well.
    My point is, to those wishing to play the race card, AZ’s law is not at all racist. It goes out of it’s way in four places to point out that race must not be used as a determining factor when it comes to detaining illegal aliens.
    My comparison to Mexico was anecdotal. Of course we’re not trying to be like Mexico. Heaven help us if we do. But when we have people crying that we’re targeting Mexicans with our illegal alien laws, I find it’s beneficial to point them to Mexico’s policy on immigration, especially illegal immigration.
    Thanks for playing though.

  243. SpartaChris says: Jun 2, 2010 1:38 AM

    endofoil says:
    June 1, 2010 10:52 PM
    Jay has another break out of that very European Disease, “Foot and Mouth”; adequately talented with one but always wide right with the other. He also spends quite a bit of time giving praise to God. I wonder how God feels about Mexicans, Jay ? Do you think he loves them any less ? Most of Arizona was annexed from Mexico in the 1848 Mexican American War. The rest was purchased in the Gadsden purchase. Instead of building walls and patrolling this border, if money was spend combating poverty south of the border with education and jobs, we could be partners in a community. This is not just Mexico’s responsibility – it is our responsibility, our community, our people, our planet. It’s a more immediate need than Afghanistan or Iraq and likely has a better chance of success.
    ======================================================
    Actually, much of it is Mexico’s responsibility, and I don’t see why we need to send our dollars over there to help a corrupt nation. The corruption in that country is what keeps them from prospering. Sending your citizens across the border for free social services is not a solution. If they worked together did more to help their own rather than to shake people down, they’d be light years ahead of where they are today.

  244. theravenlives2 says: Jun 2, 2010 8:12 AM

    tj.52 says:
    June 1, 2010 12:11 PM
    Why is it that most of the pro-Arizona law posters have an educated opinion on the matter and all of the anti-Arizona law posters seem to be 5th graders calling everyone names and spewing left-wing-wacko talking points?
    ———————————————–
    Because that’s what the left does. They try to confuse the issue (like making no distinction between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants), they demonize law enforcement, and then try and chip away at the arguments by countering facts with cute little witty propoganda – like comparing Arizona with Nazi Germany. Of course the comparison has no real validity, but – damn, it sure sounds good!
    The fact that a country has a duty to protect its borders (just ask Mexico – they aggressively protect theirs) is so self-evident that you’d have to be in 3rd grade not to get it.
    Hope that answers the question.

  245. KUHawks2010 says: Jun 2, 2010 12:01 PM

    GBfanForever says:
    May 31, 2010 7:37 PM
    New Arizona state motto:
    “Hey, we’re not like Nazi Germany yet, but we’re pretty darn close!”
    What a idiot. Shouldnt you be standing by your mailbox waiting for your welfare check?

  246. jibfest says: Jun 2, 2010 12:23 PM

    NFLchick says:
    June 1, 2010 9:20 PM
    jibfest says: “Also for the record, it was the United States (majority white during that time) that got rid of Hitler. Stupid comment by an another ignorant person.”
    Speaking of stupid comments by ignorant people…
    Dude, brush up on your history, the U.S. wasn’t even in WWII until after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor (we didn’t even declare war on Germany until Germany declared war on us) and it was the Allies that defeated the Nazis.
    Pretty awesome school system those illegal immigrants are taking advantage of if you don’t even know the basic facts of WWII.
    –Im sorry, what does when the U.S. entered the war have to do with anything? The United States defeated Germany with the help of our allies. I know my history well. Your response to my post wasn’t even addressing what I had said, you just went down some other road.

  247. jibfest says: Jun 2, 2010 12:24 PM

    Occam says:
    June 1, 2010 1:35 PM
    “Also for the record, it was the United States (majority white during that time) that got rid of Hitler.”
    I’m thinking England, and especially Russia, would have something to say about that.
    –Dummy, I know we didn’t do it alone. The accusation is that the U.S. is similiar to Nazi Germany because we don’t want illegals. That is why I only mentioned the U.S. contributions.

  248. mixman34 says: Jun 2, 2010 12:52 PM

    tj.52 says:
    June 1, 2010 12:11 PM
    Why is it that most of the pro-Arizona law posters have an educated opinion on the matter and all of the anti-Arizona law posters seem to be 5th graders calling everyone names and spewing left-wing-wacko talking points?
    ___________________________________
    It’s cause the left’s got nothing. And they’re worried their nice secure little comfy voting block may take a hit. It’s how they roll, come up with little nuggets of info that may or may not be in context but in no way represent the whole truth and they ride that and combine it with maybe some voter angst and voila! A democratic policy is born.

  249. jibfest says: Jun 2, 2010 1:06 PM

    NFLchick sounds just like another clueless, nieve liberal. Keep your head in the sand while states like Arizona crumble under the economic pressure the illegals have put them under. I could go on and on and on about the pro’s of cracking down on illegals. You have one comeback and that is to cry about race, even though Illegal isn’t a race of people. Nice try though NFL chick.

  250. DoomsDayD75 says: Jun 2, 2010 1:25 PM

    Can we get rid of all the ignorant red necks first? They don’t provide anything for our society except hate. I like the Mexicans that are coming over here a lot more than them. They have awesome taco stands, work incredibly hard and are generally very nice people.
    The violence on our borders is directly related to our drug policies which turns your average criminal into a insanely wealthy and powerful drug lord. It has nothing to do with people coming to America to provide a decent life for their family. That is just right wing nonsense from idiots like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh that only the sheep follow.

  251. jibfest says: Jun 2, 2010 2:11 PM

    Doomsday, you haven’t a clue about the reality of the financial consequences that illegals are putting on this country. Doomsday, you sound like you are a clueless liberal who lives in a bubble. AZ now has the highest kidnapping rate in the world, tell me what Glenn Beck has to do with that? For the record, I don’t even like Beck or Limbaugh.
    Read up on the issues, get your head out of your a.

  252. DoomsDayD75 says: Jun 2, 2010 7:00 PM

    @jibfest
    I lived in Houston for 4 years, I’ve seen exactly the economic consequences illegal immigrants have. Houston would collapse without them. The illegals work their asses off for little pay and their white bosses get rich. If you don’t see that then you don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about.
    As far as the kidnappings, those are directly related to the drug cartels. If we cut their funding off there would be no cartels anymore. But most people are too stupid to look at the big picture and come up with dumb shit ideas like building a giant wall and making racial profiling legal.
    As far as my liberal agenda, here it is:
    Take care of the environment see we don’t all get sick and die. Also so our kids and grand kids have somewhere to live.
    Make sure everyone has access to a doctor and health care, no matter how rich or poor they are. If rich people want to buy their own special insurance that’s fine, but everyone will have access to a decent doctor.
    Not fight stupid wars of aggression over resources that cost trillions of tax-payer dollars.
    Recognize that we are all equals. Blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, straight or gay. We are all equal and should treat each other as such. Just because you are born a certain way doesn’t mean you are any better or worse than anyone else.
    So basically the liberal agenda is: Don’t be an asshole. And if anyone has a problem with that they can go to hell.

  253. GOVIKES|GOVIKES says: Jun 2, 2010 7:12 PM

    When will you people realize that the politicians aren’t interested in solving problems, they are interested in making you mad (one way or another) so you go vote.
    Republicans held all 3 branches of government from 2000-2006, what did you get on gay marriage? What did you get on abortion? NOTHING Why, because if they solved the problem, they would lose all the abortion or gay marriage nuts from voting in the future. So they bring up the issue, make you mad, make some small inconsequential change, and go back to the status quo.
    Democrats have both houses of congress and the presidency, did we get socialized medicine? Nope, we got 40 million new customers for private insurers in exchange for a few changes to pre-existing conditions.
    Niether party serves the people, they both only serve, and worship at the altar of the almighty dollar.
    Campaign contributions=access to politicians=influence=laws that benefit your point of view=profits=campaign contributions.
    Rinse, repeat.
    WAKE UP AMERICA, THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM IS A RUSE.

  254. this class sucks says: Jun 2, 2010 7:58 PM

    @SpartaChris
    So answer me this question: what does an illegal immigrant look like? That is the purpose of the bill so what does one look like? Explain it to me. Not their actions (if they are jumping the fence they could have been arrested without this law) but how could you tell if someone is an illegal immigrant?

  255. SpartaChris says: Jun 2, 2010 11:40 PM

    This bill isn’t about looks, genius. The bill says IN 4 PLACES that race, appearance, etc. are not to be used when determining someone’s citizenship status. The police are allowed to ask for proof of citizenship only when they pull you over or pop you for some other crime. That’s it, end of discussion.

  256. rolli1967 says: Jun 3, 2010 1:26 AM

    I believe this is supposed to a football forum. Florio, in the future please do NOT pollute this forum with politics.

  257. Brandon St. Randy says: Jun 3, 2010 2:00 AM

    this site is about football, yeah? Florio, you just started that awkward politics conversation at the holidays that makes your crazy liberal aunt pack up and leave. Feely’s First Amendment rights are displayed, leave it at that. People a lot smarter ( and yes, they are smarter- that’s why we’re posting here and not advising ) can handle the situation without everyone raising a big stink. Sure, it sucks- i’m somewhat brown myself and would be a touch offended if i got questioned. but it’s the interpretation of a law in place. leave it at that.

  258. steely devil hab says: Jun 3, 2010 11:40 AM

    GOVIKES|GOVIKES says:
    June 2, 2010 7:12 PM
    When will you people realize that the politicians aren’t interested in solving problems, they are interested in making you mad (one way or another) so you go vote.
    Republicans held all 3 branches of government from 2000-2006, what did you get on gay marriage? What did you get on abortion? NOTHING Why, because if they solved the problem, they would lose all the abortion or gay marriage nuts from voting in the future. So they bring up the issue, make you mad, make some small inconsequential change, and go back to the status quo.
    Democrats have both houses of congress and the presidency, did we get socialized medicine? Nope, we got 40 million new customers for private insurers in exchange for a few changes to pre-existing conditions.
    Niether party serves the people, they both only serve, and worship at the altar of the almighty dollar.
    Campaign contributions=access to politicians=influence=laws that benefit your point of view=profits=campaign contributions.
    Rinse, repeat.
    WAKE UP AMERICA, THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM IS A RUSE.
    ———————————–
    Brilliant!

  259. this class sucks says: Jun 3, 2010 2:35 PM

    @SpartaChris
    Ok. And you do realize that constitutionally you can refuse to give them any form of ID?

  260. Mooch says: Jun 3, 2010 4:18 PM

    Wow, look at Feely…a tea bag member who actually has a job!
    At least one of them works and pays taxes. Now if only the remaining 99.99% of that movement can get a job and stop freeloading we can get somewhere!

  261. jibfest says: Jun 3, 2010 5:32 PM

    DoomsDayD75 says:
    June 2, 2010 7:00 PM
    –I bet you are eating up Obama’s explanation for why the economy failed. Look up the “Community Reinvestment Act”, read it and get back to me. There you will find out how this all got started. You will or might finally realize neither party cares about you.
    Houston would be in trouble without illegals? haha, what about the billions this country has to put out to house the lawbreakers. You truly are in denial, trying to act like they are somehow doing us a favor. The idea they are strictly here to integrate into communities is B.S. They are here because their own country is a corrupt dump and they know liberals like you are bending over backwards to give them U.S. citizen’s tax dollars.
    The money we have to spend on them is far more than the money people make off them cutting lawns and cleaning dishes. Complete liberal garbage you are spewing. For the record, I’m not a Republican I am a realist. Both sides are corrupt.

  262. Chris says: Jun 4, 2010 2:41 AM

    Jay Feeley
    F your poltical aspirations, that ish can wait dude, concentrate on making some f’n kicks first
    dont be so selfish and use your NFL platform for your own desires, wait till after you retire for that, now while you still play
    unless you did retire, i dunno, your irrelevant and off the radar,
    didnt you miss a kick in the afc title game against the colts?, and was he the giants kicker in that 49er come back game with garcia and marriucci,
    i dunno maybe my memory is scrambled, but feeley
    SHUT UP AND KICK, your a kicker, and you still mess your only job. Until you’ve made 40 of 40 kicks on the year, stay outta the headlines,
    or until you reach vinateri status and actually knock a kick down when it counts…

  263. Chapnasty2 says: Jun 4, 2010 5:19 AM

    NFL chick and Mooch are prime examples of ignorance. You are both morons plain and simple and your arguments are so far fetched that they have no merit for discussion by anyone. Mooch, I happen to agree with most of what the tea party supports and so do a lot of people as the politicians they back continue to win every election they are in. Wake up morons, you are both completely ignorant to the ways of the world and our country. No matter how hard you liberals try you will never achieve a self fulfilling prophecy.

  264. toe-to-toe bird law says: Jun 4, 2010 12:17 PM

    I’ve yet to see another response from people in favor of the Arizona law about how the employers of these illegal aliens should ultimately be held accountable, other than,”Uhh, yeah I agree with that, but…uhhh..get those damn Mexicans out of here first!!!”
    I’m in favor of legal immigration, but let’s not kid ourselves. This economy wouldn’t be able to function if all illegal immigrants were expelled overnight. And for those of you that demand that all illegal employees return to their home countries immediately, I hope you enjoy paying for $500-a-night hotel rooms to offset the salaries for American maids(Tick reference, anyone?), and $80 for your average restaurant meal to pay American dishwashers and cooks.

  265. this class sucks says: Jun 4, 2010 3:02 PM

    @Chapnasty2
    You do realize that most of the tea-party” candidates lost their primaries right? I think rand Paul and one more whose name I forget are the only two supported by the tea-party that one elections. Feel free to defend the tea party, I am just saying you are incorrect in saying they have “won every election.” Even the ones they have one are only primaries agains’t republicans, so it is no guarantee they win the actual elections. It is a sign that within the republican party the tea-party holds a certain amount of power. But there is zero evidence (yet) that they will sway the real elections.

  266. The Black Man says: Jun 4, 2010 3:09 PM

    Wow… the typical American responses… “You’re a liberal for wanting illegial immigation” or “You’re a conservative because you are against illegial immigation”. Liberals and conservatives are destroying the United States. We need more common sense people. As a State if Arizona doesn’t want illegal immigration then they should not have illegal immigrates. When the economy was good the republicans capitalize off of them. Now the economy is bad, the democrats want them to have rights. Illegal immigrates should not be in the US period. I am anti-republican, anti-democrat, and anti-tea party. Why? because all you guys do is whine about silly issues.

  267. jibfest says: Jun 4, 2010 5:16 PM

    Now the economy is bad, the democrats want them to have rights.
    @the black man: The Democrats always wanted them to have rights. They are trying to increase their numbers for the upcoming elections. They would love nothing more than to get amnesty for them. Illegals have rights, they are called “Human Rights”. They have zero rights as americans, because you see they are not american citizens. They choose to circumvent the laws we have in place to get legal citizenship status. If you would like to know more, use the resources of the internet. People who feel they should be allowed to stay or somehow we are indebted to them, get your head out of your A.

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