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Court documents make strong allegations against Johnny Jolly

What once appeared to be a garden-variety drug possession case against Packers defensive lineman Johnny Jolly has taken on a much more troubling posture.

Greg Bedard of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that court records indicate an intention by prosecutors to attempt to prove at trial that Johnny “bought, sold, funded, transported and aided in the buying, selling,
funding and transportation of illegal narcotics including cocaine and
marijuana
” from 2006 through May 2008.

The information comes from a disclosure made by prosecutors of a plan to “use extraneous offenses and prior convictions for impeachment and/or
punishment” in connection with Jolly’s upcoming trial on codeine possession charges. 

In English, this means that, while Jolly isn’t charged (yet) with buying, selling, funding, transporting, and/or abetting the purchase, sale, funding, or transportation of cocaine and marijuana, prosecutors have placed Jolly’s lawyer on notice of an intention to introduce such evidence.  At trial, it would be used as “other act” evidence, similar to the manner in which the lawyer representing the Nevada woman who has sued Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for sexual assault would attempt to introduce proof that he sexually assaulted a college student in Milledgeville, Georgia.  The evidence also could be used in the sentencing phase, if Jolly is convicted.

Jolly’s lawyer, Michelle E. Beck, scoffs at the development.  “I could file a notice of intent to prove I’m Santa Claus, but that
doesn’t mean it’s true,” she said, per Bedard.

Bedard explains that the evidence comes from a witness who will testify that Jolly funded drug deals.  Bedards also writes of a possibility that Jolly could face federal charges in this regard.

The allegations make Jolly’s ongoing ability to play NFL football somewhat curious, and it remains to be seen whether evidence suggesting repeat offenses could get Jolly the same kind of treatment that Roethlisberger experienced in April.

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  1. Evpimp says: Jun 2, 2010 6:20 PM

    Packer THUG put him in jail!

  2. FoF says: Jun 2, 2010 6:27 PM

    But this can’t be. Ted “Overrated” Thompson only has the up most “Class acts” on his team.

  3. PULL&SEAL says: Jun 2, 2010 6:30 PM

    Cue all the Viking whiners in 3-2-1…

  4. bluestree says: Jun 2, 2010 6:35 PM

    Fan of Farvsballs. ipad on the floor between knees, still posting. Multi tasker,

  5. Milhouse says: Jun 2, 2010 6:36 PM

    Jolly’s lawyer, Michelle E. Beck, scoffs at the development. “I could file a notice of intent to prove I’m Santa Claus, but that doesn’t mean it’s true,” she said, per Bedard.
    —————————————–
    However, if the evidence shows that Mz. Beck has children and that she celebrates Christmas with those children, we can come to the verdict that she IS Santa Claus.
    I really hope this lawyer has a plan beyond empty rhetoric, and knows she ought to consider the evidence that exists.

  6. 3 yards and a cloud says: Jun 2, 2010 6:41 PM

    Florio, C’mon! His lawyer is correct, you can file anything (See, “Motion to kiss my ass you stupid mother******”, inmate filing repetitive frivolous motions)
    The bad acts evidence isn’t coming in. The filing is to attempt to introduce that evidence, so make sure when the motion is denied you report that too.
    Also, as a former lawyer, you know how statutes are written and you know that the language used in the motion is meant to mimic the language in the relevant statute.
    Its disingenuous to paint this as serious trouble for Jolly, at least at this point. If you’re going to attempt to do it, then at least explain it for the knuckleheads understand its not that he did any of what the motion is claiming. Its tough to monitor your site for legal accuracy ya know?

  7. Packrule12 says: Jun 2, 2010 6:44 PM

    Dude was a 6th round pick helped us post the best run D in the NFL last year we’re stacked now over and above him. He’s served his purpose now he’ll serve some time. Cya.

  8. snoogins says: Jun 2, 2010 7:02 PM

    Haters gonna hate.

  9. zod says: Jun 2, 2010 7:10 PM

    But this can’t be. Ted “Overrated” Thompson only has the up most “Class acts” on his team.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Every team in the league gets a turn from time to time. Some more than others., depends what they do about it. If the putz was dealing, he’s history baby. This case has had some odd twists and turns, but I smell a plea coming.

  10. Mick730 says: Jun 2, 2010 7:18 PM

    It’s “utmost”, not “up most”. Go back to grade school, idiot.

  11. darth_vincent says: Jun 2, 2010 7:19 PM

    this is starting to sound like the proverbial “throw everything against the wall” and see what sticks. the DA must not have a case on the codeine charges so now they start talking about hearsay allegations without collaborating evidence of other misconduct…
    and what past convictions does Jolly already have on his record?

  12. irishgary says: Jun 2, 2010 7:21 PM

    @FoF
    Great post……are you a jilted lover of Teds?

  13. jeremiah says: Jun 2, 2010 7:24 PM

    i love the guy who calls himself “pimp” and then bemoans someone for being a “thug”
    this, just like the rest of the evidence in the codeine case, is hearsay. what does this prosecutor hope to gain by having an already incarcerated “thug” testify on something to which there is most likely no physical or other type of actual evidence????
    all jollys lawyer has to do is find out what the jailed “thug” was promised in return for testimony, and use that to discredit him.
    this is nothing but a scare tactic, and all jolly has to do is keep his nose clean from here on out and abide by his curfew and he will be fine.

  14. purpleguy says: Jun 2, 2010 7:26 PM

    Even if he isn’t guilty of selling anything, with all he has to lose, why even put himself in a situation where he could get in trouble? At best, he’s guilty of dealing or possession, and at worst, he’s guilty of being a big dope.

  15. lebowski says: Jun 2, 2010 7:31 PM

    Mick730, FoF IS in grade school.

  16. Siggy00 says: Jun 2, 2010 7:40 PM

    “The allegations make Jolly’s ongoing ability to play NFL football somewhat curious, and it remains to be seen whether evidence suggesting repeat offenses could get Jolly the same kind of treatment that Roethlisberger experienced in April.”
    First of all Ben isn’t a repeat offender.
    The only thing that repeated were accusations.
    Now Vincent Jackson on the other hand? That’s a repeat offender you dimwit.
    But for some reason that drunk’s escapades is mostly ignored by you and every other alleged media source.

  17. DG0122 says: Jun 2, 2010 8:10 PM

    I am uphauled at the state of grammer used in this country today..Imma axe my kids if that is what they be teachin dem in skool

  18. Bob Nelson says: Jun 2, 2010 9:17 PM

    Wow!
    At this late date of a previously dismissed case the DA is going to throw rumors and gossip at him.
    Did the DA “find” a jailhouse twerp that will say anything they tell him to say for a reduced sentence?
    How do rumors, gossip, and inuendo, somehow turn into evidence in Texas DA’s mind?
    Jolly was one of 4 occupants of a vehicle. The police officer thought 4 people sitting in a car in a parking lot was suspicious.
    Somewhere in the vehicle a small amount of codeine (the active ingredient in over the counter cough syrup) was found by the officer.
    Codeine which is permitted in “over the counter” medications in 19 states. Well Texas isn’t one of them.
    Can you imagine a juror being forced by the government away from his life to sit and waste his time in a courtroom over this?
    Jurors are going to hate the DA and dismiss the case quickly.

  19. Franchise says: Jun 2, 2010 9:20 PM

    I bet he dabbled in selling roids too.
    Just look toward the Packer LB corps.

  20. GBPackers says: Jun 2, 2010 9:33 PM

    # Franchise says: June 2, 2010 9:20 PM
    I bet he dabbled in selling roids too.
    Just look toward the Packer LB corps.
    =====================================
    I don’t blame people for thinking the ClayMaker is on roids, I mean he is a BEAST, better yet, a CLEAN BEAST!!!
    On the other hand, see ya Mr. Jolly!

  21. GB3Pack4 says: Jun 2, 2010 10:32 PM

    Jolly is so gone from the Pack. Waste waste waste.
    RoGood should set up a Nursemaid Administration Bureau, dispatching one to each NFL player charged with anything at all, for the treacherous period between The Time The Charges Are Filed, and The Trial Date.

  22. Adept says: Jun 2, 2010 11:04 PM

    Bob Nelson wrote: Jurors are going to hate the DA and dismiss the case quickly.
    We can now add “the legal system” to the list of things you know absolutely nothing about. Might be time to start a much shorter list — “things Bob Nelson knows.”

  23. Ruvell100 says: Jun 3, 2010 1:13 AM

    Well, let’s be honest. This is NFL football, and honestly, the Green Bay Packers are pretty much everything good about NFL football. The talent and depth is there on that D-line. Johnny, get straightened out or you are gone, since you are already an expendable asset.
    This is a regime that doesn’t tolerate criminal, non-civil and holier-than-thou types. And with championship character comes championships.
    This is a team that will compete and win a Super Bowl in the next three years. Tell me why not.

  24. Colts18 says: Jun 3, 2010 3:30 AM

    I want to hang out with this guy, he seems like the one to know at parties

  25. Love_Boat_Scandal says: Jun 3, 2010 5:48 AM

    He’ll have his day in court, and the truth should come out then.

  26. Steve W. says: Jun 3, 2010 7:23 AM

    The only problem with the prosecutor’s plan is that, in order to enter “other act” evidence into the record, you actually have to be able to prove it. One person making an allegation isn’t enough. There would have to be corroborating evidence of the accusations. If that evidence exists, then Jolly is in real trouble, as it means that other chargers would have to be soon to follow. The same goes for the Roethlisberger civil suit. I’m sure the plaintiff’s attorney would love to have the Georgia allegation introduced into evidence. The fact that the police investigated and no chargers were ever filed (for whatever reason), however, makes it much less likely that it will be allowed. It would certainly be prejudicial, and since no charges were filed, I can’t see how the plaintiff’s attorney would be able to prove that he assaulted the young woman. Unfortunately for Ben, introduced into evidence or not, it’s not likely that the judge and jury won’t have heard of it already. Juries (and judges to a lesser degree) have a habit of taking extraneous information into account when rendering a decision, whether they’re supposed to or not.

  27. RC IV says: Jun 3, 2010 8:46 AM

    This is a team that will compete and win a Super Bowl in the next three years. Tell me why not.
    =================================
    Because you have the 3 stooges running your team.
    Moe Thompson, who thinks free agents are anethama. Can’t draft worht a crap.
    Larry Murphy who enables Thompson.
    Curly Mccarthy, who continually gets out schemed and out coached. Check WC for that.
    You Packer fans are so delusional.
    Where does this sense of entitlement you have come from?
    12 titles? 10 of which are older than Moses?
    Give it a rest. Your team crashes back down to earth this year. TT is then gone.

  28. Ruvell100 says: Jun 3, 2010 10:23 AM

    @Chicken- Ted Thompson is considered by his peers to be among the best in the league. Can’t draft? Totally ridiculous. Mark Murphy…not sure. He doesn’t seem to be doing a bad job. I bet you could poll 100 Vikings fans and 99 of them would rather have McCarthy than Childress.

  29. Ruvell100 says: Jun 3, 2010 10:43 AM

    @tom- Next year may not be the year, but you have to admit they are a very good young team. Age at the tackles and corners would be my first concern, but there is young talent behind them that is being groomed. Lang proved he could play, and like you said, Bulaga…who knows.
    Underwood, Lee, Tramon and Josh Bell are all young and improving at CB. My worries for that position have been eased with everyone getting back healthy.
    I’m not going to say Rodgers can or can not string together big wins, especially in the playoffs. He’s only been a starter for 2 years. Interesting you would bring that up, since another quarterback I can think of hasn’t strung together consecutive playoff wins for 13 years.
    I guess we’ll just see what happens, but I’m more confident going into this year than any other time I can think of other than 96.

  30. Tompadre says: Jun 3, 2010 11:58 AM

    Ruvell100 says:
    June 3, 2010 10:43 AM
    @tom- Next year may not be the year, but you have to admit they are a very good young team. Age at the tackles and corners would be my first concern, but there is young talent behind them that is being groomed. Lang proved he could play, and like you said, Bulaga…who knows.
    Underwood, Lee, Tramon and Josh Bell are all young and improving at CB. My worries for that position have been eased with everyone getting back healthy.
    I’m not going to say Rodgers can or can not string together big wins, especially in the playoffs. He’s only been a starter for 2 years. Interesting you would bring that up, since another quarterback I can think of hasn’t strung together consecutive playoff wins for 13 years.
    I guess we’ll just see what happens, but I’m more confident going into this year than any other time I can think of other than 96.
    ———————————————
    Ruvell –
    I’m glad you responded to my post, at least it proves it actually posted. I thought for a moment I was imagining things. Why in the he!! (don’t want this one to get pulled as well) would they pull my response to you? No foul language, no insults, just attempting some thoughtful dialogue, trying to get a good conversation goin (I can count on you for supplying the other half) and it gets pulled.
    Anyways, I can appreciate your optimism and that’s how you should feel about your team (just as Vikings fans do & did). I still think there are quite a few questions that need to be answered though.
    Oh yeah, I forgot about your QB depth as another possible hurdle. Good point on the 13 year drought though – guess he’s due then isn’t he?

  31. Beer Cheese Soup says: Jun 3, 2010 12:26 PM

    RC IV says:
    You Packer fans are so delusional.
    Where does this sense of entitlement you have come from?
    12 titles? 10 of which are older than Moses?
    Give it a rest. Your team crashes back down to earth this year. TT is then gone.
    ____________________________________
    Your posts are absolutely dripping with jealousy.
    That’s right. 12 titles. Whether you choose to recognize them or not. Regardless of how old they are. TWELVE titles.
    I don’t need to remind you how many your team has. You wish the Vikings had at least one that was “older than Moses”. In fact, you wish they had one at all.
    One thing I don’t understand however. Why do you want Ted gone so badly?
    I mean, where would the Vikings be without him? Even besides the Favre, Sharper, Longwell bit, which is certainly enough, you guys never won a single NFC North title until Ted showed up.
    I should think any true Viking fan would want the Pack to keep Ted for life. It’s the best way to ensure you continue to be successful.
    Ruvell100 says:
    @Chicken- Ted Thompson is considered by his peers to be among the best in the league.
    ____________________________________
    Funny. Super Suck claims that same lunacy about Ted’s peers, and then he invariably disappears when the time comes to show evidence backing his claims.
    Do you have any evidence to back that statement up, or did you also pull it out of thin air; or even worse yet, one of Suck’s posts?
    Ruvell100 also says:
    Underwood, Lee, Tramon and Josh Bell are all young and improving at CB. My worries for that position have been eased with everyone getting back healthy.
    ____________________________________
    Josh Bell?? Is that how far you Ted fans have to go to defend the disastrous regime these days?
    Bell was in for one (game-winning touchdown) play last year. The rest of the season, he was stuck on the depth chart just behind the worst Packer defender since Ahmad Carroll: Jarrett “I couldn’t cover a” Bush.
    How is Josh Bell going to help the Packers do anything but lose this season? And most of all, how do you manage to see Ted “brilliantly” signing him in a positive light??

  32. Supersuckers says: Jun 3, 2010 12:43 PM

    Ruvell100 says:
    June 3, 2010 10:43 AM
    @tom- Next year may not be the year, but you have to admit they are a very good young team. Age at the tackles and corners would be my first concern, but there is young talent behind them that is being groomed. Lang proved he could play, and like you said, Bulaga…who knows.
    Underwood, Lee, Tramon and Josh Bell are all young and improving at CB. My worries for that position have been eased with everyone getting back healthy.
    I’m not going to say Rodgers can or can not string together big wins, especially in the playoffs. He’s only been a starter for 2 years. Interesting you would bring that up, since another quarterback I can think of hasn’t strung together consecutive playoff wins for 13 years.
    I guess we’ll just see what happens, but I’m more confident going into this year than any other time I can think of other than 96.
    ———
    Ruvell,
    After reading reports from the OTA’s and how much this team has improved this offseason according to those reports I have Green Bay 2 years at the most away from winning their next world title. If everything goes right they could do it this year. i only wish they had a little more playoff experience. That said if they could somehow get homefield I believe that would make up for lack of playoff experience for the young players. i guess Rodgers to Finley is unstoppable at camp. Hawk looks like a faster player, Pat Lee is making play after play, Underwood is their most improved according to McCarthy. They Come back on the 8th for more opportunites to improve. Can’t wait.

  33. Supersuckers says: Jun 3, 2010 1:18 PM

    Beer Cheese it is possible for players to improve. According to multiple sources, Bell and Lee are playing very good football during camps. Its called improving from within. The best and only tried and true method of improvement.

  34. RC IV says: Jun 3, 2010 1:37 PM

    Your posts are absolutely dripping with jealousy.
    ==========================
    Not jealous at all. I just get sick of this being packer fans fall back argument for why Rodgrs choked, why the Pack has beein in 2nd place 2 years running division wise, why Minny swept them last year, well you get the idea. If all else fails, pull out the 50 year old trophy argument.
    —————————————
    Ruvell,
    After reading reports from the OTA’s and how much this team has improved this offseason according to those reports I have Green Bay 2 years at the most away from winning their next world title. If everything goes right they could do it this year. i only wish they had a little more playoff experience. That said if they could somehow get homefield I believe that would make up for lack of playoff experience for the young players. i guess Rodgers to Finley is unstoppable at camp. Hawk looks like a faster player, Pat Lee is making play after play, Underwood is their most improved according to McCarthy. They Come back on the 8th for more opportunites to improve. Can’t wait.
    ============================
    Basing your ASSUMPTIONS on how they look in shorts during the summer and making that the basis of how they do in the fall? preposterous!!
    Prepare for disappointment

  35. Beer Cheese Soup says: Jun 3, 2010 1:39 PM

    Suck says:
    After reading reports from the OTA’s and how much this team has improved this offseason according to those reports I have Green Bay 2 years at the most away from winning their next world title.
    I guess Rodgers to Finley is unstoppable at camp. Hawk looks like a faster player, Pat Lee is making play after play, Underwood is their most improved according to McCarthy. They Come back on the 8th for more opportunites to improve. Can’t wait.
    ____________________________________
    I understand you are clamoring for whatever positive news you can get your hands on, given the circumstances, but let’s be realistic.
    No one ever won anything in OTA’s. If you want to claim titles based on that, you should be a Viking fan. Pack fans don’t want/need your blind homerism here, it makes us all look bad.
    There will be no world titles under Ted. Not two years from now, not fifteen, never until he is gone. The sooner you realize that the better.
    Rodgers to Finley is unstoppable because our secondary is too pathetic to stop it. Other teams in our division shouldn’t have that problem.
    Likewise, a complete bust like Hawk can make plays all day long when there is no one to block him. You and I probably could too. Other teams will have addressed that as well.
    You need to realize that the rest of the league doesn’t do things like Ted does. They will not go into the season with gaping holes on their roster and no effort made to fill them. They will play to win.
    You (and many others) would find life much easier if you did not set yourselves up for disappointment with these delusions of grandeur every year. I don’t expect you to realize that though. It’s another one of those obvious facts you so desperately avoid.

  36. Supersuckers says: Jun 3, 2010 2:06 PM

    Beer Cheese Soup says:
    June 3, 2010 1:39 PM
    Suck says:
    After reading reports from the OTA’s and how much this team has improved this offseason according to those reports I have Green Bay 2 years at the most away from winning their next world title.
    I guess Rodgers to Finley is unstoppable at camp. Hawk looks like a faster player, Pat Lee is making play after play, Underwood is their most improved according to McCarthy. They Come back on the 8th for more opportunites to improve. Can’t wait.
    ____________________________________
    I understand you are clamoring for whatever positive news you can get your hands on, given the circumstances, but let’s be realistic.
    No one ever won anything in OTA’s. If you want to claim titles based on that, you should be a Viking fan. Pack fans don’t want/need your blind homerism here, it makes us all look bad.
    There will be no world titles under Ted. Not two years from now, not fifteen, never until he is gone. The sooner you realize that the better.
    Rodgers to Finley is unstoppable because our secondary is too pathetic to stop it. Other teams in our division shouldn’t have that problem.
    Likewise, a complete bust like Hawk can make plays all day long when there is no one to block him. You and I probably could too. Other teams will have addressed that as well.
    You need to realize that the rest of the league doesn’t do things like Ted does. They will not go into the season with gaping holes on their roster and no effort made to fill them. They will play to win.
    You (and many others) would find life much easier if you did not set yourselves up for disappointment with these delusions of grandeur every year. I don’t expect you to realize that though. It’s another one of those obvious facts you so desperately avoid.
    ————
    I mean this 1000 percent. I am sorry you are such a unhappy person. At least you come across as one on here. I sincerely hope you find peace some day.

  37. RC IV says: Jun 3, 2010 2:50 PM

    I don’t think beer is unhappy. i think he is being realistic about his team, something that, unfortunately a majority of Packer fans, cannot do.

  38. Beer Cheese Soup says: Jun 3, 2010 3:23 PM

    RC IV says:
    Not jealous at all. I just get sick of this being packer fans fall back argument for why Rodgrs choked, why the Pack has beein in 2nd place 2 years running division wise, why Minny swept them last year, well you get the idea. If all else fails, pull out the 50 year old trophy argument.
    ____________________________________
    You may not actually be jealous, but you certainly come off that way.
    There isn’t any argument for our string of recent failures, but I will say Rodgers didn’t choke. He played quite decently, and two members of the Arizona defense said so. The Packers OL and secondary were predictably horrible (see: 51 points), but Rodgers kept us in the game. That loss wasn’t on him any more than your own OL collapse and consequent playoff loss was on Favre.
    Why have we been in 2nd place? Because Minnesota has the better team. That’s undeniable. Ted Thompson, people. It’s a wonder we aren’t looking up at Chicago with what he has done to a once-competitive franchise. I expect we may be doing exactly that after this season however.
    Back to the trophies. Yes, thank you. I will go ahead and continue to remind you that we have them. I am sure you would too, if only you could.
    I will admit that the Packers are FAR from being the best team at the moment, but it is still comforting knowing that we are at least the best historically.
    Plus, it is a surefire way to upset any Viking fan (as you have so kindly demonstrated), and who doesn’t want that?

    Suck says:
    ["Oh no.. BCS is in here speaking the truth again, and I still don't have any semblance of an argument.
    I better call him a know nothing, or a surface thinker... No, that's been done already...
    I could post the address to Lambeau.. No, he already ripped me to shreds over that debacle..
    I could post some unfounded claims about Ted's peers and then "retire" for an hour or so.. No, he already planned for that contingent..
    Oh look, here's a damn Hallmark card. I'll just paraphrase that in a very condescending form for him. That will compensate for the fact that Ted still sucks, and I STILL can't come up with a single particle of reasoning that refutes that fact, right??"]
    ____________________________________
    Nope.

  39. Ruvell100 says: Jun 3, 2010 4:33 PM

    Good Lord, Beer Cheese. I come on here to maybe have a discussion with you and there is nothing to discuss. Here are your points, as usual.
    1. Anyone who thinks a young team that went 7-1 down the stretch is a contender is delusional.
    2. Rodgers to Finley is easily shut down by Madieu Williams and Tyrell Johnson. After all, they are better than Nick Collins because TT drafted him.
    3. Hawk sucks because he’s not a perennial pro-bowler…and since TT drafted him.
    4. It is better to sign some journeyman jerk-off FA than to improve Bell, Lee and Underwood.
    5. Because Collins, Tausch, Clifton, Pickett and several others were already Packers, they DON’T COUNT as free agents.
    6. Resigning Clifton and Tauscher, plus drafting Bulaga in the first round means nothing. Only making a blockbuster trade or free agent move to add an overpriced player at the expense of your future is good.
    7. TT did NOT win 07 Exec of the Year and Bruce Allen did NOT say he would like to build the Redskins in the mold of Ted Thompson in Green Bay.
    Beer Cheese, your life must be horrifying. Virginia Ham under your right arm…crying the blues because you have no bread.

  40. Ruvell100 says: Jun 3, 2010 4:35 PM

    “Josh Bell?? Is that how far you Ted fans have to go to defend the disastrous regime these days?”
    ______________
    Ted will write you an apology. He didn’t realize our 5th (5th!) cornerback wasn’t up to your exacting standards.

  41. Ruvell100 says: Jun 3, 2010 5:08 PM

    @tom-
    “Oh yeah, I forgot about your QB depth as another possible hurdle”
    ___________
    Rodgers going down would be disastrous. The offense is built around his skill set, and for some odd reason, I don’t see Matt Flynn hoisting the Lombardi!
    That said, you can’t do alot about injuries. Manning, Rivers, Brady, Brees, hell just about any starter going down spells disaster for any team.

  42. Supersuckers says: Jun 4, 2010 9:56 AM

    Beer Cheese Soup says:
    June 3, 2010 3:23 PM
    RC IV says:
    Not jealous at all. I just get sick of this being packer fans fall back argument for why Rodgrs choked, why the Pack has beein in 2nd place 2 years running division wise, why Minny swept them last year, well you get the idea. If all else fails, pull out the 50 year old trophy argument.
    ____________________________________
    You may not actually be jealous, but you certainly come off that way.
    There isn’t any argument for our string of recent failures, but I will say Rodgers didn’t choke. He played quite decently, and two members of the Arizona defense said so. The Packers OL and secondary were predictably horrible (see: 51 points), but Rodgers kept us in the game. That loss wasn’t on him any more than your own OL collapse and consequent playoff loss was on Favre.
    Why have we been in 2nd place? Because Minnesota has the better team. That’s undeniable. Ted Thompson, people. It’s a wonder we aren’t looking up at Chicago with what he has done to a once-competitive franchise. I expect we may be doing exactly that after this season however.
    Back to the trophies. Yes, thank you. I will go ahead and continue to remind you that we have them. I am sure you would too, if only you could.
    I will admit that the Packers are FAR from being the best team at the moment, but it is still comforting knowing that we are at least the best historically.
    Plus, it is a surefire way to upset any Viking fan (as you have so kindly demonstrated), and who doesn’t want that?

    Suck says:
    ["Oh no.. BCS is in here speaking the truth again, and I still don't have any semblance of an argument.
    I better call him a know nothing, or a surface thinker... No, that's been done already...
    I could post the address to Lambeau.. No, he already ripped me to shreds over that debacle..
    I could post some unfounded claims about Ted's peers and then "retire" for an hour or so.. No, he already planned for that contingent..
    Oh look, here's a damn Hallmark card. I'll just paraphrase that in a very condescending form for him. That will compensate for the fact that Ted still sucks, and I STILL can't come up with a single particle of reasoning that refutes that fact, right??"]
    ____________________________________
    Nope.
    ———–
    I hope you find peace some day. You come off as a very angry and bitter person. I’m being serious.

  43. Supersuckers says: Jun 4, 2010 12:29 PM

    Ruvell100 says:
    June 3, 2010 4:33 PM
    Good Lord, Beer Cheese. I come on here to maybe have a discussion with you and there is nothing to discuss. Here are your points, as usual.
    1. Anyone who thinks a young team that went 7-1 down the stretch is a contender is delusional.
    2. Rodgers to Finley is easily shut down by Madieu Williams and Tyrell Johnson. After all, they are better than Nick Collins because TT drafted him.
    3. Hawk sucks because he’s not a perennial pro-bowler…and since TT drafted him.
    4. It is better to sign some journeyman jerk-off FA than to improve Bell, Lee and Underwood.
    5. Because Collins, Tausch, Clifton, Pickett and several others were already Packers, they DON’T COUNT as free agents.
    6. Resigning Clifton and Tauscher, plus drafting Bulaga in the first round means nothing. Only making a blockbuster trade or free agent move to add an overpriced player at the expense of your future is good.
    7. TT did NOT win 07 Exec of the Year and Bruce Allen did NOT say he would like to build the Redskins in the mold of Ted Thompson in Green Bay.
    Beer Cheese, your life must be horrifying. Virginia Ham under your right arm…crying the blues because you have no bread.
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    Well said Ruvell

  44. Beer Cheese Soup says: Jun 4, 2010 1:24 PM

    Ruvell100 says:
    Good Lord, Beer Cheese. I come on here to maybe have a discussion with you and there is nothing to discuss. Here are your points, as usual.
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    This is some pretty good stuff, Ruvell. I see you put some time into it, so I’ll do the same and address your ignorant assumptions about me individually.
    1. Anyone who thinks a young team that went 7-1 down the stretch is a contender is delusional.
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    I know you are what your record says you are, but considering the schedule that team faced, 11-5 doesn’t impress me. We won’t have the same easy schedule this season, wait and see what happens.
    2. Rodgers to Finley is easily shut down by Madieu Williams and Tyrell Johnson. After all, they are better than Nick Collins because TT drafted him.
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    Rodgers is a top 5 QB in this league easy. I don’t doubt Rodgers to Finley will be plenty potent this season. I just think it’s ludicrous to claim that as fact based on no-contact drills against our own porous defense.
    3. Hawk sucks because he’s not a perennial pro-bowler…and since TT drafted him.
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    Very good. You’re learning. Yes, a top five pick should ALWAYS be a perennial pro bowler. Especially after he’s had time to develop. Anything less is considered a bust.
    4. It is better to sign some journeyman jerk-off FA than to improve Bell, Lee and Underwood.
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    Any reason we can’t do both? Sitting behind a proven veteran and learning worked wonders for Rodgers.. Why not use a player with experience and leadership abilities as a way to help develop these young guys? Oh, I forgot. That isn’t the Ted way.
    5. Because Collins, Tausch, Clifton, Pickett and several others were already Packers, they DON’T COUNT as free agents.
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    Correct once again. If Ted were smart, he would have signed those guys before they hit the open market. Ted obviously isn’t smart though.
    6. Resigning Clifton and Tauscher, plus drafting Bulaga in the first round means nothing. Only making a blockbuster trade or free agent move to add an overpriced player at the expense of your future is good.
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    I’d love to see where I ever said we should mortgage the future and overpay for a player. All I said was that a good GM uses all available avenues in building a team, and that Ted uses ONE.
    Remember Ron Wolf? Then you’ll probably also remember that he not only drafted good players, but made trades and signed for them. If Ted had been running that team; Favre, White, Robinson, Rison, and Howard would have never been on the Green Bay radar. Without them, there would have been no Super Bowl. Just as there won’t be one in the near future.
    7. TT did NOT win 07 Exec of the Year and Bruce Allen did NOT say he would like to build the Redskins in the mold of Ted Thompson in Green Bay.
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    What does that Exec of the Year award get you? Is it the same as a Lombardi? No, so I don’t care. Especially when we have all seen the, umm.. intelligence of these AP voters (Cushing, twice) lately.
    I saw that Bruce Allen interview, and all I got from it was that he intended to save money (no more $100K Haynesworth contracts, etc), and get away from the Dan Snyder business model. See, Snyder is one extreme. Thompson is the other end of the spectrum, but he is just as ignorant and, to this point, just as unsuccessful. Like so many other things, you have to find the balance between the two.
    Ted will write you an apology. He didn’t realize our 5th (5th!) cornerback wasn’t up to your exacting standards.
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    YOU were the one that brought that 5th corner into this conversation as though he was a tribute to Ted’s greatness. I merely pointed out how ridiculous that statement was, and now your response has only further proven my point.

  45. Supersuckers says: Jun 4, 2010 1:44 PM

    Beer Cheese,
    Woodson, pickett, Chillar, Grant, Bigby, Bush, lumpkin, Martin, Williams, Havner, goode, and Lee. 26.6666667 percent of their normal 45 man game day roster were players acquired by other means then the draft. That’s pretty good diversification. Yet you say he only uses ONE. You are a angry man. I hope you find peace.

  46. Supersuckers says: Jun 4, 2010 1:49 PM

    Beer Cheese I bet you’re one of dem glass is half empty type guys eh?

  47. Beer Cheese Soup says: Jun 4, 2010 2:49 PM

    Supersuckers says:
    Beer Cheese,
    Woodson, pickett, Chillar, Grant, Bigby, Bush, lumpkin, Martin, Williams, Havner, goode, and Lee. 26.6666667 percent of their normal 45 man game day roster were players acquired by other means then the draft. That’s pretty good diversification.
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    So, you’re saying that just under 75% of the entire Ted roster were Packer draft picks? That is FAR from the balance I spoke of. Far from what Wolf used. Far from what championship teams need to have.
    Not only that, out of all those you metioned, ONE would be a guaranteed starter on any non-Ted team. Three others may have a shot. Lots of roster filler.
    Most of all, you guys need to quit using Jarrett Bush as a way to make your “point”. The dude is straight awful. He’d be a mediocre nickel back in the UFL. Why we keep him, I will never understand. You only make Ted (and yourselves) look worse by defending him.

  48. Supersuckers says: Jun 4, 2010 2:59 PM

    Beer Cheese Soup says:
    June 4, 2010 2:49 PM
    Supersuckers says:
    Beer Cheese,
    Woodson, pickett, Chillar, Grant, Bigby, Bush, lumpkin, Martin, Williams, Havner, goode, and Lee. 26.6666667 percent of their normal 45 man game day roster were players acquired by other means then the draft. That’s pretty good diversification.
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    So, you’re saying that just under 75% of the entire Ted roster were Packer draft picks? That is FAR from the balance I spoke of. Far from what Wolf used. Far from what championship teams need to have.
    Not only that, out of all those you metioned, ONE would be a guaranteed starter on any non-Ted team. Three others may have a shot. Lots of roster filler.
    Most of all, you guys need to quit using Jarrett Bush as a way to make your “point”. The dude is straight awful. He’d be a mediocre nickel back in the UFL. Why we keep him, I will never understand. You only make Ted (and yourselves) look worse by defending him.
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    No Mr. Surface. There are many players still around from before Thompsons takeover that were drafted by Sherman or aqcuired via trade or FA prior to Thompson. Geesh… But you think Ted won’t keep those guys around because they aren’t “Ted’s guys” Clifton, Tauscher, Harris, Barnett, Wells, Jenkins,

  49. Beer Cheese Soup says: Jun 4, 2010 3:23 PM

    Supersuckers says:
    Beer Cheese I bet you’re one of dem glass is half empty type guys eh?
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    Nope. I’m a realist. I see things as they really are. Not through whatever rose-colored glasses you use to blind yourself from the facts.

  50. Supersuckers says: Jun 5, 2010 10:56 AM

    Beer Cheese Soup says:
    June 4, 2010 3:23 PM
    Supersuckers says:
    Beer Cheese I bet you’re one of dem glass is half empty type guys eh?
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    Nope. I’m a realist. I see things as they really are. Not through whatever rose-colored glasses you use to blind yourself from the facts.
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    Well Surface thinker here are the facts. 11-5 playoff team with one of the most efficient QBs in the game coming back without losing a starter. 2nd rated defense in the NFL. Another off season of improvement from within. If that is a train wreck, well, then, I want to be on it. For anyone to say that they are being run into the ground is simply stupid. very stupid. Or has a an axe to grind with Thompson due to Favre’s retirement, unretirement, unwillingless to be in camp etc. and will say anything, regardless of how moronic it is, to degrade Thompson. Not that he cares. he doesn’t read what us idiots have to say on here. Steady Teddy Beer Cheese and get used to it. because he isn’t leaving Green Bay until he wants to.

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