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Mark Dominik admits lying about the ability to fine Donald Penn

NFL_dominik_250.jpgThough we don’t intend to make the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a chronic PFT pin cushion, we can’t ignore the stream of bizarre developments from a football organization run by a G.M. and a coach who were thrust into their jobs when the team decided suddenly and unexpectedly to fire Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden after the 2008 season.

Apart from Mark Dominik’s recent off-the-record public statements regarding left tackle Donald Penn, whom Dominik claims the team hasn’t signed to a long-term deal because he gained 40 pounds during the 2009 season, Dominik has acknowledged a somewhat bizarre attempt to persuade Penn to accept his one-year, $3.168 million tender offer.

Dominik recently claimed that Penn could be fined for not attending a mandatory minicamp that opens next week.  Dominik’s statement obviously was incorrect; a player not under contract cannot be fined for missing any mandatory activities.

So why did Dominik do it?  Per various media reports, a team spokesman said that Dominik made the remark in an effort to persuade Penn to sign the tender offer.

It’s the latest example of the acceptance of lying as a standard business practice in NFL organizations.  And as we’ve said many times in the past, we believe that it flows from the reality that on-field success in the sport routinely comes from fooling the opponent on the field, via strategies like the zone blitz, the play-action pass, the draw play, the Statue of Liberty, the surprise onside kick, the fake punt, the fake field goal, and various other strategies.  Off the field, deception routinely is employed when it comes to the draft, and when negotiating with players.

Typically, however, teams are most discreet about their truthful indiscretions.  In Dominik’s case, he assumed that Penn and/or his agent and/or the media and/or the fans were dumb enough to believe that a player not under contract can be fined.  And so now, as a practical matter, Dominik has little or no credibility regarding anything he says.

In any other industry, it would be fatal to Dominik’s future.  In the NFL, it shows that he has the basic skills needed for running a team, and that he merely needs to hone them.

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29 Responses to “Mark Dominik admits lying about the ability to fine Donald Penn”
  1. Jaydub says: Jun 19, 2010 8:19 AM

    Have an oceanside villa for sale in Nebraska? Call a Bucs fan. They’ll buy it

  2. digitalbath says: Jun 19, 2010 8:21 AM

    gruden gets them a championship,now he is gonethey get what they deserve down there in tampa

  3. PurpleNGold says: Jun 19, 2010 8:42 AM

    Deception is for your opponent, tell the truth to your players. How will they trust you now?

  4. Ufanforreal says: Jun 19, 2010 9:00 AM

    # digitalbath says: June 19, 2010 8:21 AM
    gruden gets them a championship,now he is gonethey get what they deserve down there in tampa
    ——————————————————
    Yeah, Gruden got them a championship but Dungy was the one that built the team for that championship.

  5. Setobakura says: Jun 19, 2010 9:02 AM

    Stay classy, L.A Bucs

  6. diggitydoc251 says: Jun 19, 2010 9:17 AM

    What did Gruden do? He won a championship with Tony Dungy’s players. Dungy and McKay built that team. Look at Gruden and Allen’s moves:
    Dewayne White-average at best
    Michael Clayton-Bust
    Cadillac- Bust (hate to say it)
    Davin Joseph-finally a good pick
    Gaines Adams- Bust
    Aquib Talib-looks like a good one, but you passed on DeSean Jackson
    Who were the great free agents they brought in?
    Garcia. I respect him but he always got hurt
    Luke Pettigoat? no
    Cato June? who
    Kevin Carter? too old
    I’m still trying to figure out what Gruden and Allen did except bring in over the hill free agents and play mediocre ball. I think losing Monte Kiffin hurt a lot more than the other guys. As far as the guys cut last year, none of them played a single down for any other team either. So why was it so bad to dump them.

  7. TBTrojan says: Jun 19, 2010 9:34 AM

    “Dominik has little or no credibility regarding anything he says.”
    Just like one Mr. Mike Florio.

  8. cailte says: Jun 19, 2010 9:42 AM

    What? You don’t intend to make the Buccaneers a chronic PFT pin cushion? And why not? Oh, I hope I get it. The players and team should not be denigrated. Right on. But the management, ownership and staff deserve every bit of vitriol and rancor you can muster. They are an embarrassment to the league, the players, the city of Tampa and themselves. Let them wallow in bad ink until washed down the drain.

  9. I HATE mike florio says: Jun 19, 2010 10:18 AM

    I will post this on every worthless article you write. I hope one day you might read the commits and realize its you can do better.
    “The Society of Professional Journalists was established in 1909 and sets forth a Code of Ethics that in theory are to be used as guidelines for its members. Summarizing the Code’s key points:
    · Seek Truth and Report It: Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.
    · Minimize Harm: Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.
    · Act Independently: Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public’s right to know.
    · Be Accountable: Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.”

  10. Zane says: Jun 19, 2010 10:28 AM

    Digitalbath, I live in Tampa now, & I shit you not, Gruden gets NO credit for that Super Bowl from these people. Despite the fact that Tony Dungy never even got them to the Super Bowl, & the fact that their offense was atrocious & understaffed until Gruden got there, they say “Gruden won with Dungy’s team”. And don’t you dare ask them to specify… few of them even know what “Tampa 2″ means.

  11. TBTrojan says: Jun 19, 2010 11:59 AM

    diggitydoc251, would you care to point out the “Dungy team” that Gruden won with.
    Sapp – Not a Dungy or McKay draft pick
    Brooks – See Sapp
    Lynch – See Sapp
    Pittman – Not a Dungy guy
    McCardell – See Pittman
    Dilger – See Pittman
    Singleton – 5 years as a backup with Dungy, starter with Gruden
    Quarles – was an OLB with Dungy, moved to MLB with Gruden
    Jurevicius – See Pittman
    Rice – if Sapp/Brooks get counted s Dungy guys then Rice is a Gruden Guy
    Johnson – See Rice
    Smith – See Rice
    Spires – See Pittman
    Wyms – See Rice
    Darby – See Rice
    Oben – See Pittman
    Jenkins – See Pittman
    That doesn’t include multiple other backup turnover
    You look at the true Dungy guys and there are very few that did anything that year.
    Barber, Kelly, Alstott, Jackson & Gramatica, hardly a Super Bowl team by themself. Add in the other true Dungy guys like Booger, Walker, Coleman and the additions he made to the “Wyche core” were minimal compared to the turnover and movements Gruden made that year.
    Dungy may be the most over rated head coach ever based on his Tampa core that was already inplace when hired and his Colts success from Manning on a team that was already built to be a 10+ win team (1999, 2000).
    I say again… would you care to point out the “Dungy team” that Gruden won with considering over 50% of the roster wasn;t brought to Tampa by Dungy including the Big 3.
    Also factor in that with no 1st or 2nd round pick due to the trade the 2002 turnover was lower than it could have been.
    Did Dungy win in Tampa with Wyches team and Moras team in Indy?
    Get a freakin clue before trying to run your mouth.

  12. tryagain says: Jun 19, 2010 12:24 PM

    I HATE mike florio says: I will post this on every worthless article you write. I hope one day you might read the commits and realize its you can do better.
    If you seemed to have any semblance of knowledge in the area others might pay attention, but considering you put ‘commits’ for ‘comments’ and added an ‘its’ for no apparent reason most will probably think you should get over yourself and move on.

  13. HC says: Jun 19, 2010 12:25 PM

    @ I Hate Mike Florio:
    I’ve seen people get defensive after PFT runs an unflattering column of your favorite team, but you’ve taken that insecurity to a whole new level. Look at what the slogan for this site is called: “Truth and Rumors” – what is nobody allowed to have an opinion or ask a question now?
    If you dislike the site so much, then why in the world are you here? There are hundreds of other sites where you can get updated NFL news and opinions.

  14. Fire Ted says: Jun 19, 2010 12:28 PM

    Don’t players lie every time they sign a contract in a sense? I mean what NFL player signs the contract with full intent of playing out the contract without ever asking for a raise while under that contract? None. The NFL is becoming a bunch of overpaid, undereducated thugs playing with somebody else’s money.

  15. Slow Joe says: Jun 19, 2010 12:40 PM

    Dominik really looks like an idiot right now. I hope he learns from this, because I do think he has some potential as a GM.
    As for the Gruden/Dungy arguments, I’m over it. It’s obvious to anyone with a brain that McKay and Dungy built a great defense, a horrid offense, and an overall good team in which Dungy eventually lost the locker room (in 2001, a very good Bucs team went 9-8…9-8!) I love what Dungy did for the Bucs culture, but he knew nothing about offense and couldn’t push the Bucs to the top.
    Gruden has forgotten more about offense than most people ever know, and could motivate the Bucs in a way Dungy never could. He took a horrid offense and improved it to “mediocre”, motivated the defense to play even better than the previous year, and won the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, unlike Dungy, Gruden was not consistent. Bad years would alternate with good years. And he’d also always want to re-load with veterans and “go for it” instead of trying to inject and develop youth.
    And, unfortunately NEITHER Dungy nor Gruden could develop a damn quarterback.
    Both coaches were great in certain ways and both had certain flaws. But the “Gruden won with Dungy’s team” statement makes me want to pull my friggin’ hair out. It is idiotic, and whoever says it either doesn’t know what the hell he or she is talking about, or is a mindless assclown.

  16. HC says: Jun 19, 2010 12:47 PM

    Zane is correct, the “Gruden won with Dungy’s team” Buc “fans” spew is ridiculous. For one thing if you’re going to say that, then saying “Gruden won with Sam Wyche’s team” would be more accurate, as he was in charge when Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp and John Lynch – the three most important players in that great defense – were drafted.
    There was no way the Bucs were going to win a championship with Dungy as coach. His last few years there they got worse and worse. They were classic underachievers with Dungy as coach, ‘paper champions’ who year after year were predicted by many in the media to win it all in preseason only to stumble miserably in the postseason time after time.
    With that defense and the talent those teams had, they should have been going to conference championships and super bowls three or four times; instead under Dungy they made it to the NFCCG only once, scoring just six points. Dungy’s ultra conservative and predictable offense resulted in four playoff games where the team was held to single digits and only one playoff game when the team scored more than 14 points.
    Time to bury the “won with Dungy’s team” BS once and for all.

  17. aDickRunsThisSite says: Jun 19, 2010 1:03 PM

    what a smart way of recruiting outside talent to come into Tampa. You dump on a starter in the media and the LIE like a dog about what you can and will do to this player. Its as if he doesnt think anyone is looking. Trust me a good player looking for a new contract is going to buzz right over Tampa when it comes time to bring in some football players to an organization that has be devoid of real talent for several years.
    This guy was supposed to be bright. Apparently thats not the case. Watch and see how veteran players respond to this sort of stupidity. if they are worth a damn, they will be looking to leave. If they are worth a damn and played elsewhere last year, tampa goes to the end of the line as far as where they are willing to play this year.
    Mark, you are a dumbass and a dumbass with no conscious apparently. Truly a great combination to win football games and to work with the Glazers

  18. WellDisciplinedVC says: Jun 19, 2010 1:04 PM

    Umm..wouldn’t Penn’s agent be able to tell him whether Dominick could fine him or not? If he didn’t, Penn has more problems than with the front office.

  19. diggitydoc251 says: Jun 19, 2010 1:30 PM

    Mindless assclown here. Gruden did win with Dungy’s team. Did Wyche draft a number of those players? Yes. Did Gruden make changes when he came in? Of course. But the core of that team was put together and DEVELOPED by Dungy. It was really the same defense that barely lost to the Greatest Show on Turf.
    The Superbowl team only scored because of what that defense did. And Dungy put that defense together.
    Once Gruden had 6 more years to find his QB and his players the team played mediocre ball. Including no more playoff wins and choking away the final 4 games of the ’08 season before he was fired.
    I think everyone in Tampa appreciates what Gruden did. But….he was not good with making personnel decisions and never developed any players.
    If he was such an offensive guru. Where was his offensive steal in the draft. Name the players that he made into superstars…….I’m thinking and can’t name any. Maybe you can help me.

  20. diggitydoc251 says: Jun 19, 2010 1:49 PM

    TBTrojan,
    You do make some valid points. But the basis for my argument comes from the inside. Specifically Warren Sapp gives Gruden credit, but gives a lot of the credit to Dungy.
    Either way. I love Gruden, but his message was no longer getting through and the team has never been better than ok after they won the Superbowl.
    Sometimes you have to blow the whole thing up to build it again. That’s what the Bucs have done and I believe they will be way more competitive than anyone is giving them credit for this year. Possibly even good in ’11, if there’s a season.

  21. badthings says: Jun 19, 2010 1:49 PM

    I HATE mike florio says: June 19, 2010 10:18 AM
    I will post this on every worthless article you write. I hope one day you might read the commits and realize its you can do better.
    “The Society of Professional Journalists was established in 1909 and sets forth a Code of Ethics that in theory are to be used as guidelines for its members. Summarizing the Code’s key points:
    · Seek Truth and Report It: Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.
    · Minimize Harm: Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.
    · Act Independently: Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public’s right to know.
    · Be Accountable: Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.”
    ___________________________________
    Hey if you don’t like this site, don’t post here. Problem solved…..dumbass.

  22. edgy1957 says: Jun 19, 2010 2:33 PM

    TBTrojan says:
    diggitydoc251, would you care to point out the “Dungy team” that Gruden won with.
    Sapp – Not a Dungy or McKay draft pick
    ******************
    McKay was the GM from 1994 to 2003. Are you saying that the team didn’t allow him to be involved with the draft during his tenure? BTW, do you think that the Atlanta Falcons were lying when they wrote this about him on his team bio page:
    He constructed Buccaneer teams that won better than 60 percent of their games during his tenure and was the chief football executive of the franchise altering 1995 draft which ESPN has named one of the Top 10 draft classes in NFL history. Headlining that class was DT Warren Sapp, now an in-studio analyst for NFL Network and LB Derrick Brooks. Sapp and Brooks combined to make 18 Pro Bowl appearances during their tenures with Tampa Bay.
    What’s even funnier is how when it’s clear that McKay was drafting that you then turn around and DON’T credit McKay but then you say “Not a Dungy guy” and think you can get away with it. You don’t want to credit Dungy for developing some of the young talent that he inherited but you’re there to do that for Gruden…Hmmmmmm..

  23. WildBirdOffense says: Jun 19, 2010 2:39 PM

    For those of you saying Gruden won the championship with Dungys players…..you guys are idiots. Straight up idiots. Just because they were “Dungys” players doesn’t mean Gruden had nothing to do with them getting over the hump and winning a Superbowl. Gruden helped them boys get over VARIOUS hurdles that they couldn’t before. Winning in the cold, some sort of real offense, etc. etc.
    And just so we don’t take anything ELSE away from Gruden…..who did he play in the Superbowl??? That’s right, the RAIDERS…the team Gruden built. Idiots.

  24. Slow Joe says: Jun 19, 2010 2:55 PM

    In a way, it kind of warms my heart that a Buccaneers post draws this many comments from fans.
    I was getting a little sick of how every Steeler, Packer, Viking or NFC East team’s threads always got all the attention.
    Go Bucs!

  25. King Buccaneer says: Jun 19, 2010 6:04 PM

    Slow Joe, You speak nothing but the truth brother!!
    ———————————————–
    Also, Florio, I understand we are a 3-13 team, at the moment, but I mean come on now, enough is ENOUGH!
    I guess you just can’t find other ‘bad’ things going on around the league other than to dump on our already pathetic situation.
    When we do get back to where we were, in 2-3 years, I better read good things from you about how we built a REAL team the RIGHT way from the ground floor.

  26. aDickRunsThisSite says: Jun 19, 2010 8:36 PM

    tampa wont ever have another coach as good as Gruden. Dungy was too soft for those players and they went thru the motions at the end. when gruden came in, he lit a fire under their collective asses and on they went.
    bet glazer wishes he still had Chucky.
    at least then the qb would be getting some coaching

  27. TBTrojan says: Jun 20, 2010 3:20 AM

    edgy1957
    You need to learn the facts, that Falcons website is indeed lying.
    It’s well known amongst those who care to actually get their facts straight before commenting (NOT you) that Wyche had complete control and picked who he wanted
    It’s also known that in 1995 McKay was pushing Wyche hard to stay at the #7 spot and draft Mike Mamula.
    You want to credit the guy for drafting Brooks/Sapp when the truth is if he had his way neither would have been a Buc, it was the trading back that allowed us to gain the extra picks to land Brooks.
    McKay wants a Bust, Wyche lands 2 HoFers yet Mckay gets all the credit? It is really clear what happened, shame that you are blind.
    You just have to love that McKay, when he does get control but has to work with a guy that he didn’t hire (Gruden) he ignores the coaches wish with draft picks and takes legendary wideout Marquise Walker when Gruden wanted to grab Brian Westbrook who fit the scheme he wanted to run perfectly. Walker was so great that he was traded just a year later while Westbrook went on to be a great RB.
    What a great eye for talent McKay has when you go with “his guys” Mamula over Sapp & Brooks, Walker over Westbrook.
    You also have to love his way of handling contract negotiations, “you want 2 million a year? Well here 3.5 million a year structured in a way that will kill the team in later years.”
    As for Dungy, if credit is given to him for building that team how come he wasn’t there when the 3 main players were drafted and he had left when well over 40% of the roster got turned over in the 2002 offseason.
    When 9 of 22 starters weren’t brough in under Dungy and over half the roster wasn;t brough in under Dungy it begs the question of “How is that his team?”
    It’s nice to make your little comments but truth is you look a fool when the facts don’t back you up

  28. edgy1957 says: Jun 20, 2010 10:47 AM

    TBTrojan says: June 20, 2010 3:20 AM
    edgy1957
    *****************
    That’s rich. Not only do you not want to give a GM credit but now, you want to give another coach the credit. Where does it stop? It’s funny that you credit Wyche in Tampa and Gruden in Oakland when everyone on this planet but apparently YOU knows that NO COACH in Oakland makes choices.
    Also, you have NO clue when it comes to team turnover. 40% (actually, 40.7%) is NOTHING. That’s TYPICAL of MOST NFL teams and actually it’s typical of top tier teams. Hell, the Patriots turned over 45.9%, 41.3% and 32.8% of their players in 2001, 2003 and 2004 (didn’t need to change as much after already winning a Super Bowl in 2003) during their Super Bowl year. Like the 2001 Patriots, the Bucs retained 16 of their starters from the previous year and like those Patriots, most of their losses were on the offense (6 retained vs 5 by the Patriots).

  29. edgy1957 says: Jun 20, 2010 10:53 AM

    TBTrojan says:
    edgy1957
    ******************
    I personally don’t give a rat’s ass about either one. The fact is that Dungy owns a Super Bowl ring and so does Gruden. I just think it’s laughable that you come up with all these excuses FOR Gruden and do your best to put down Dungy. What’s the matter, did Tony not go to your school and give you an autograph or what?

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