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Mike Vick is the most hated sports figure, two years running

NFL_vick1.jpgLast year, quarterback Mike Vick topped a Forbes poll of the most hated persons in sports.

This year, he can crack the champagne again.

Vick has landed at No. 1 for a second straight year, even though he largely has become irrelevant as a backup quarterback and part-time gimmick option for the Eagles.

The rest of the 2010 top five consists of Raiders owner Al Davis, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, golfer Tiger Woods, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

Last year, Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez landed at No. 2, followed by Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, Bills receiver Terrell Owens, and Lakers star Kobe Bryant. 

In 2009, no one connected to the NFL other than Vick landed in the top ten.  This year, the NFL holds four out of the top five spots.  We’re not sure whether it’s evidence of a sign of growing fan discontent against pro football — or whether it’s further proof that no sports league inflames passion like the NFL.

We’ll pick the latter.  But it would be wise for the league and the NFLPA to at least consider the possibility that it’s the former.

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  1. Boofer T Justice says: Jun 19, 2010 4:27 PM

    See what happens when you let women vote.

  2. bbeer says: Jun 19, 2010 4:29 PM

    so…where was T.O in 2009….he was part of the NFL you know..

  3. Spiller21 says: Jun 19, 2010 4:32 PM

    The fall of a dynasty…..The Ben Roethlisberger story…
    Steelers were once a respected franchise, but getting rid of holmes and keeping ben shows they believe in double standards…
    Have no respect for them or any of their fans or the city…..
    Scum bag, scum organization, scum city……..

  4. JimmySmith says: Jun 19, 2010 4:33 PM

    I didn’t know dogs got a chance to vote.
    Seriously though, the Eagles are the ones screwing the pooch for even having that low life on their roster. He doesn’t add much of anything and its terrible karma so the Eagles are only killing themselves. Let him go, see how he does in Arena Football

  5. Zane says: Jun 19, 2010 4:33 PM

    Why Vick? Did he do something wrong the last few years that I’m not aware of?

  6. 90ragtop says: Jun 19, 2010 4:40 PM

    And I remember when the Vick jersey was the best selling NFL gear in the nation. How low the mighty have fallen.

  7. shadowman1433 says: Jun 19, 2010 4:44 PM

    O.J. says thanks Mike

  8. vanhelsing says: Jun 19, 2010 4:48 PM

    and pft-nbc pimped for him anyway.

  9. NationalFelonLeague.com © says: Jun 19, 2010 4:49 PM

    So much for the hype dying down.
    Guy can’t even be hired host a party in some unknown club without protesters showing up. Of course he didn’t.
    Can’t see him playing anywhere other than Philly.

  10. Jose Reyes says: Jun 19, 2010 4:50 PM

    The guy did some awful things and I will hate him forever for it. But he also did his time, he pretty much lost all his money and then some and his career went down the tubes quickly. So I think he’s paid for it.
    Roethlisberger, on the other hand, has now raped (or attempted to) two women and pretty much has gotten nothing but a slap in the wrist in comparison. I think we can start shifting the hatred towards him now.

  11. rjgreen3 says: Jun 19, 2010 4:50 PM

    what is the world coming to when a guy fights and kills dogs is hated more than someone who abuses human beings?

  12. tombrookshire says: Jun 19, 2010 4:51 PM

    I say former. The NFL’s arrogance as just another money grubbing mega corporation rubs us true fans the wrong way. Greedy banks and corporations took too many Americans down the drain over these last two years and that backlash is going to hit corporations that are perceived to be more about the money and profits than the people it is supposed to serve. Most fans know that players and the NFL itself is more concerned with growing revenue, marketing and merchandising than it is about the “fan in the stand” experience. Even the Palace in Dallas is more about what it looks like to TV audiences than the fan’s experience in the stands. That said, all Vick has to do is perform well when given the chance and all will be forgiven. I am so over the NFL that I don’t seriously know if I am going to be that interested going forward.

  13. Nuke says: Jun 19, 2010 4:54 PM

    “Last year, Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez landed at No. 2, followed by Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, Bills receiver Terrell Owens, and Lakers star Kobe Bryant.
    In 2009, no one connected to the NFL other than Vick landed in the top ten.”
    Terrell Owens is connected to the NFL…

  14. TryTheVeal says: Jun 19, 2010 4:56 PM

    This just confirms what is already known, that Vick is one of the biggest douchebags in the history of professional sports, the other finalists in the top 5, PigBen,Woods,Davis and Jones, although douchebags, have at least been successful in their careers. Vick on the other hand, is nothing but a POS who is a failure at everything he does….

  15. ZennyandtheBrets says: Jun 19, 2010 5:01 PM

    Come on! If the guy was out there throwing 30 TD’s I could understand the hate. You can’t just throw hate around . . . wait until Kolb gets benched and Mike becomes the poster boy of Philadelphia . Hey, then the Eagles fans can idolize someone as stupid as they are.

  16. sricko says: Jun 19, 2010 5:01 PM

    Absurd list, stupid story….
    I get the first 3…
    Michael Vick — Dog killer, ran a criminal dog fighting network across state lines.
    Ben Roethlesberger — Used his celebrity and bodyguards to force a girl into performing sexual acts on him.
    I even understand Tiger Woods from the female perspective — Had sex with tons of hot women while married with child.
    But Al Davis and Jerry Jones? Why? Because you don’t like their football teams?
    Like I say, absurd list.

  17. TexasBubba says: Jun 19, 2010 5:06 PM

    Oh No!!! how can that be Ron Mexico is well respected out here in West Texas. THIS CAN’T BE TRUE!
    go cowboys!!!!

  18. Deb says: Jun 19, 2010 5:12 PM

    Like Woods, Vick and Roethlisberger are on the list for their personal issues–which have nothing to do with the league. The only indication of public discontent with the NFL is the inclusion of Davis and Jones. And since they’re owners, they’re the league’s problem, not the NFLPA’s.

  19. KM91 says: Jun 19, 2010 5:14 PM

    I’m sure Albert Haynesworth will be jumping up on that list by next year.

  20. bigbolt says: Jun 19, 2010 5:15 PM

    Hide your Beagle, Vick’s an Eagle!

  21. KoolKell says: Jun 19, 2010 5:16 PM

    I’m sure Al Davis will love this. He thinks it’s great to sue your partners, your city, alienate your fans, have the lowest attendance in the league, set NFL losing records.
    The Maverick.

  22. K1ng Moj1 says: Jun 19, 2010 5:24 PM

    Mike Vick is the man, hes a hell of a football player and needs to start in the nfl. dont agree with killing dogs but hes still one of the most entertaining guys to watch on the field

  23. SteeleRaider says: Jun 19, 2010 5:25 PM

    How is Al Davis more hated than a sleazy, arrogant date-rapist and an also-arrogant serial philanderer?

  24. ham1 says: Jun 19, 2010 5:26 PM

    No surprise. Vickey is a piece of work. Though, this should have been Rapistburgers poll win.

  25. WWB says: Jun 19, 2010 5:28 PM

    Although Mike writes that in 2009, “no one connected to the NFL other than Vick landed in the top ten,” this is in no way contradicted by the previous sentence indicating that “Bills receiver Terrell Owens” was listed fourth the year prior to 2010.
    It would have been a mistake to suggest the Buffalo Bills are “connected to the NFL.” Just another reminder of why I get my NFL news from PFT.

  26. HowBoutThemTexans says: Jun 19, 2010 5:30 PM

    You ass, two of those are owners. What would you like the NFLPA to do about Al Davis and Jurruh Jones?

  27. PhillyHouse says: Jun 19, 2010 5:33 PM

    That’s sad someone can rape someone and get away with it, and he’s not the most hated guy in sports.
    Why are Al Davis and Jerry Jones hated so much? At least those guys are proactive owners, even though Davis has made horrible decisions. I hate the cowboys, but I respect Jones. Donald Sterling in the NBA is clearly the worst owner in sports. He’d be #1 on my personal list.
    The Mike Vick thing is old. Like Jay Z said, we’re off that. The guy paid his penance, unlike Roethlisberger.

  28. RyanT. says: Jun 19, 2010 5:35 PM

    As a diehard Philadelphia Eagles fan, it just disgusts me that this scumbag, dog torturing, moron is on my favorite team!
    He serves no useful purpose other than to blemish the Eagles’ reputation and cause headaches for the coaching staff and Kevin Kolb. Cut him already! Sign Marc Bulger to back up Kolb.

  29. mustbechris says: Jun 19, 2010 5:38 PM

    remember when kobe bryant raped someone? i do. funny how the rest of the world forgot.

  30. JohnnyH says: Jun 19, 2010 5:38 PM

    I can’t wait until someone does something so heinous that they totally steal his thunder at the number one spot. Nothing lasts forever. Enjoy it while you can!

  31. wxwax says: Jun 19, 2010 5:39 PM

    It’s neither.
    How fans feel about football hasn’t suddenly and dramatically changed in a year.
    Do you also think that fans suddenly care less about baseball than they did a year ago?
    Of course not. It’s just that NFL folks have made more news in the last year.

  32. jkr says: Jun 19, 2010 5:49 PM

    How is kobe not number 1? damn i hate kobe!!!!

  33. tommyguns says: Jun 19, 2010 5:50 PM

    How about the whole Jests team? Haha! Okay, then maybe at least Rex CRyan!

  34. prmpft says: Jun 19, 2010 5:52 PM

    …am i the only one who wakes up every day thinkin’ that i’m surrounded by IDIOTS???!!!…
    the people running this country have to be the most hated – athletes who rape and shoot people in scrip clubs have to be hated – mike did his time – unlike the afore mentioned – leave him alone for cryin’ out loud…

  35. Otto Graham says: Jun 19, 2010 5:53 PM

    I wish mike Vick and Fat Ben would pull a Thelma and Louise and ruin a good convertible.

  36. chhutson27 says: Jun 19, 2010 5:57 PM

    “In 2009, no one connected to the NFL other than Vick landed in the top ten.”
    “Last year, Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez landed at No. 2, followed by Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, Bills receiver Terrell Owens, and Lakers star Kobe Bryant.”
    But last year was 2009, and Terrell Owens happened to be an NFL player, and Buffalo is still a NFL franchise. That would actually make T.O. at #4, which is certainly in the top 10.
    Proofread please.

  37. sricko says: Jun 19, 2010 6:04 PM

    haha why would the NFLPA hate Al Davis?
    He pays his players.

  38. DonniesGone says: Jun 19, 2010 6:11 PM

    After September Kolb will be the most hated and Mike Vick will be the most LOVED in PHILLY

  39. tatum32 says: Jun 19, 2010 6:17 PM

    Who cares? He did his time, said he was sorry, and thats the end of it. There have been people who have stolen elections and started illegal wars. Ask some Iraqi civilians shredded by cluster bombs if Michael Vick is the worst person.
    A whole lot worse than Michael Vick could ever be.
    Get some perspective people.

  40. Company CEO says: Jun 19, 2010 6:18 PM

    No question that the NFL is a lightning rod for strong opinions, but I wouldn’t discount “growing fan discontent”. While Goodell has tried to reduce off-field stupidity on the part of some players, which I very much favor, it doesn’t seem to be working. Not until the penalties are REALLY MEANINGFUL (i.e., LENGTHY suspensions with associated $ consequences) will the bad guys really try to clean up their acts. The owners could help by refusing to hire the “bad guys”, but low-lifes like Brown will always continue to be way too lenient. To communicate how strongly I feel about this, just let me say that I would give up pro football altogether before I would became a fan of the Bengals or Steelers.

  41. this class sucks says: Jun 19, 2010 6:19 PM

    I think the reason Ben did not top Vick is two fold.
    First, Ben was never as popular as Vick. At his peak, he had almost every football fan show at least a little endearment towards him. Ben has always been disliked out of his fan base. The off the field stuff just gave fans the chance to channel that hatred, but evidently not enough to top the hatred of Vick.
    The second, is because no charges were filed. The first incident blew over quickly after the waves of evidence in Ben’s favor came out. The second case, all be it much more suspicious, was still dropped and isn’t talked about much out side of this ridiculous website that has a very narrow fan base (don’t get me wrong I count myself as among them).
    So while the hatred of Ben may run deep for some, it doesn’t run as broad as it does for Vick. Love turns to hate so much more easily than annoyance, and a lot of people loved Vick.
    As for Jerry Jones and Al Davis I don’t understand that at all. I would never say I hate Al Davis. That is like saying you hate an unfunny comedian. You don’t hate him, you just laugh at him. Jerry Jones is pretty obnoxious but to hate him seems much. Unless this was a poll of former Jones employees that seems a tad overboard.
    Tiger Woods makes all the sense in the world. I would have voted him number 2 behind Vick. Same reasoning as Vick: he was so loved and respected by almost everyone, it hurt a lot more when he came crashing down.

  42. TexasBubba says: Jun 19, 2010 6:34 PM

    Self made men like Jerry are hated by both sides. The born rich like “dubya” hate him because he earned his money, instead of just taking that first breath. The working class envy him so they hate him also.
    Way to go JERRY JONES!!

  43. Dogsweat says: Jun 19, 2010 6:35 PM

    Alvin Davis pees in a bag, and is probably unaware he is hated.
    Philadelphia should be at the top of the list…

  44. Deb says: Jun 19, 2010 6:43 PM

    Spiller21 says:
    Steelers were once a respected franchise
    Have no respect for them or any of their fans
    Scum bag, scum organization, scum city……..
    ————————————————–
    Good heavens … I’m crushed!!!!
    Guess you missed the court filings on Nevada’s “can’t wait to see Ben again” texts.
    And the police report on Georgia’s no-trace-of-intercourse medical exam.
    Plus she said she was sitting on the toilet at the time.
    If a 6′ 5″ guy were that flexible, he could make millions in porn.
    Or he’d be the Tidy Bowl Man.
    Not curious enough about why no charges were filed to bother reading any evidentiary findings, huh? Aww … a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  45. Spiller21 says: Jun 19, 2010 6:48 PM

    Big ben put a huge blemish on the steeler franchise….
    The fall of a dynasty, the ben roethlisberger story

  46. wyoff says: Jun 19, 2010 6:54 PM

    Jose Reyes says:
    June 19, 2010 4:50 PM
    ——
    Roethlisberger, on the other hand, has now raped (or attempted to) two women —-
    Ridiculous.
    The first lady bragged to her friends about having sex with Roethlisberger and waited a year to sue him
    The second lady’s description of the “rape” is physically impossible and is backed up with no credible evidence.
    You people are sheep.

  47. manofaiki says: Jun 19, 2010 6:55 PM

    Al Davis and Jerry Jones are NFL owners who brought much success to their respective franchises. True, Davis has fallen on hard times and his erratic decision-making the past few years turned his team into a laughing stock but I hardly see how this should make him one of the most hated men in pro sports. And Jerry Jones? Are envy and hate the same thing?

  48. engwrite says: Jun 19, 2010 6:56 PM

    Any most hated and detested list that doesn’t have Kobe and Jerry Jones vying for first place is bogus.

  49. kristoff says: Jun 19, 2010 7:01 PM

    ummm…… didnt todd bertuzzi break someones neck(steve moore) during a hockey game?? yet TO is more hated then him?? LMFO!!! what exactly has TO ever done 2 anybody?? heck 4 whats its worth,what has vick done 2 anybody(person not a dog) steve moore lost his career. oh and i won’t even talk about dany heatly who killed his teamate while driving like a jackass a few years ago. you ppl see a certain hate trend going on here??? yeah i know you do. carry on!!!

  50. nflqb says: Jun 19, 2010 7:14 PM

    # rjgreen3 says: June 19, 2010 4:50 PM
    what is the world coming to when a guy fights and kills dogs is hated more than someone who abuses human beings?
    ————————————————
    the same thing the world came to when scum bags with genetic defects thought it was fine to kill and torture another living breathing thing as long as it was not human.

  51. packfan4ever says: Jun 19, 2010 7:18 PM

    most hated pft commenters
    pervy harvin #1

  52. Bob S. says: Jun 19, 2010 7:19 PM

    Looks like racism is alive and well! Got to go all the way down to #9 before you see a non-minority.

  53. FumbleNuts says: Jun 19, 2010 7:26 PM

    The Ben Roethlisberger antics/story will go down in the NFL history books. This guy has destroyed a proud storied team for many many years to come.

  54. OakRaided says: Jun 19, 2010 7:27 PM

    Lmfao.. al davis the guy that helped the merge or afl and nfl is hated… he’s the reason nfl is a hell of a industry, or perhaps was.. jones too… people are sheep… dnt let idiots that subscribe to forbes vote…

  55. Cubano says: Jun 19, 2010 7:33 PM

    That’s BS! Ben Roethlisberger is the most hated SOB on the planet!!!!

  56. GrantwP says: Jun 19, 2010 7:37 PM

    A-rod is crap, he is easily #1
    What more do you want from vick? give the guy a break. He did his time, more time then people get for far worse crimes.
    Give the guy a break. There is no question he should start over Kolb.
    2 games in the preseason, and those fans will be begging for Vick. He wins games. Kolb hasn’t done anything in the NFL. Seriously?
    They don’t have brady, they don’t have manning, they have kevin F’in kolb. gimme a break

  57. Drat says: Jun 19, 2010 7:40 PM

    What cracks me up is that Vick is the only one at the top of the lists who is actually incompetent athletically, who hasn’t done crap, who can’t function, who is a loser, who never led a team to anything worth a quarter, who never achieved any milestone worth crapola. The others on the lists are all top athletes or owners with championships or titles, and who happen to piss people off. Davis, Roethlisberger, Woods, Bryant, all champions, no matter how unsavory. Vick is just a dumflork who has never done anything and people still hate him. That must burn: ‘People hate me even though I’m a Nobody. Who never won anything. I’m a loser who people hate.’ It’s hard to hate a loser. But Vick did intentionally infect a girlfriend with herpes, and he did try to carry drugs on an airlines, and he did name himself Ron Mexico to cover sexual shenanigans. People hate Vick because he is about the most despicable person of all time. He is greasier than the BP oil-slicks.
    Oh, and by the way, he killed dogs, slammed them, electrocuted them, lied about killing dogs, illegally gambled on dogs, ran interstate gambling operations on dogs, made huge money off tortured dogs, hid dog operations on his property, and continues to deny what a florkin dork he was regarding the dogs. But even without that, he’s toast.

  58. KoolKell says: Jun 19, 2010 7:45 PM

    Al Davis is hated for what he’s done to the Raiders.

  59. inmotion2207 says: Jun 19, 2010 7:58 PM

    Florio please save this post so when Vick rips up the NFL this year (after Kolb shits on himself) you can eat your words!

  60. Drat says: Jun 19, 2010 7:59 PM

    KoolKell,
    Davis may be hated for some of you for “what he’s done to the Raiders”. But he won more championships than other owners because of “what he’s done for the Raiders.” Cripes. Give him at least a decade without a Superbowl appearance before you castigate him. The vast majority of owners have gone far longer without.

  61. Ravenmaniac says: Jun 19, 2010 8:03 PM

    Way to spin it Deb….

  62. Deb says: Jun 19, 2010 8:05 PM

    @Spiller21 …
    Mmmm … actually, I’d say it takes at least three Super Bowl victories in span of about four-seven years for a team to be considered a dynasty. (I believe there’s an example in your own division. Just look a wee bit south … Boston area.) Ben can’t fall from a summit he hasn’t reached. And he can only fall from that particular summit on the field.
    But it’s flattering to know you’re so emotionally invested in the fortunes of our team. Guess you don’t have much else to focus on in Buffalo. (You do still have a team there, right?)

  63. GrantwP says: Jun 19, 2010 8:06 PM

    Drat, you are an idiot
    Vick wins GAMES
    Are you seriously going to bring the dog card out again? it’s over and they were just dogs, who gives a crap
    Just damn dogs, seriously?

  64. GrantwP says: Jun 19, 2010 8:10 PM

    Incompetent? he’s the most athletic player on the list. Let’s see how kolb does. deer in headlights

  65. fmax says: Jun 19, 2010 8:12 PM

    Well said kristoff!!!
    These idiots STILL think a dogs life is greater than a humans.

  66. BlondBlueDevils says: Jun 19, 2010 8:13 PM

    HA HA HA – Not one White player.
    What a surprise.
    My name says it all – I wonder what was the demographic on that list.
    I mean one thing about all the players on that list is neither was suspected of raping multiple women.

  67. Nitro says: Jun 19, 2010 8:32 PM

    Tiger woods? When did gold become a sport? So if I drag my grandfather out of a nursing home and make him swing a club at a ball he’s magically an athlete?

  68. Deb says: Jun 19, 2010 8:39 PM

    Oh good grief, FumbleNuts … the franchise is fine.
    The evidence shows Ben hasn’t raped anyone. But even if he spent his nights swinging naked from lightpoles in downtown Pittsburgh, it wouldn’t be anymore storied than any of the other wild antics players have gotten up to since 1933 when the Chief bought the team with his gambling winnings. Steelers fans love the story of Fats Holmes losing his mind and getting into a shooting battle with a police helicopter. Cop was wounded and everything. Fats got a little head-shrinking and went right back to the field.
    It’s a football team, not a church choir. And we’ve had our share of screwups like every other team. Let’s get a grip.

  69. Slow Joe says: Jun 19, 2010 8:47 PM

    Next year: Threepeat!

  70. .Vox Veritas. says: Jun 19, 2010 9:02 PM

    I’m surprised that Jeffrey Lurie isn’t on the list for sacrificing a roster spot for a never-was in the name of getting a future draft pick out of him. A pick that he was never able to come close to getting, by the way.

  71. packerhater28 says: Jun 19, 2010 9:28 PM

    The only thing more fitting would be if he played for the most hated and uneducated hillbilly team of them all…….the Green Bay Packers.

  72. RebaT. says: Jun 19, 2010 9:30 PM

    Roethlisberger in 3rd? Boy, I bet he’s pissed is not his #1 status (in his head).
    @Deb –
    ” But even if he spent his nights swinging naked from lightpoles in downtown Pittsburgh, it wouldn’t be anymore storied than any of the other wild antics players have gotten up to since 1933 when the Chief bought the team with his gambling winnings”
    PLEASE – Ben naked is a visual NO woman wants to have – besides it would take over 10 minutes trying to find it. Once they do, the woman will definitely laugh herself into a stuper!
    (Most women do this anyways about any man!)

  73. funi says: Jun 19, 2010 9:48 PM

    Ben is single and Woods is married! I guess its aright to cheat on your wife with porn chicks ( and maybe dudes), however if you are single, you never get charged of a crime and you are hated? Come on people! I guess Ray Lewis and Leonard Little are great people also!

  74. aj says: Jun 19, 2010 9:55 PM

    Sorry but raping chicks in bars is worse than fighting dogs to the death.

  75. SamHam says: Jun 19, 2010 10:07 PM

    Manute Bol buys the farm and we’re still talking about this illiterate, dog murdering sub human..

  76. Dogsweat says: Jun 19, 2010 10:19 PM

    Deb:
    Ben is a great Football player, that is fun to watch.
    I hope everything works out for him.
    Maybe Ben was setup?—-however he should stay away from those situations.
    It will cost him his career.

  77. mwcarolina says: Jun 19, 2010 10:33 PM

    “wait until Kolb gets benched and Mike becomes the poster boy of Philadelphia ”
    Reason one he’s hated.
    “I think the reason Ben did not top Vick is two fold”
    let me give you my two reasons why. One is like you said, Vick was more popular, BUT the 2nd reason is SOME football fans (like me) think he’s overrated. There are SOME fans who think Vick is a great quarterback, i however, think he can run, but he’s not a great passer. He cant throw like a normal NFL pocket passer should.

  78. Ray Guy says: Jun 19, 2010 10:35 PM

    In other news:
    In the regional poll, Jamarcus Russell outdistanced the 2cd-10th most hated players by a 100-1 margin.

  79. mwcarolina says: Jun 19, 2010 10:41 PM

    GrantwP said, “Drat, you are an idiot Vick wins GAMES. Are you seriously going to bring the dog card out again? it’s over and they were just dogs, who gives a crap”
    Vick wins games??? kinda hard to win games in prison is it??? This is why he’s not liked, people overhype him. He’s talented yes, but he’s still not learned how to throw first and run second.

  80. mwcarolina says: Jun 19, 2010 10:42 PM

    i am surprised now!!! Tim Tebow didnt make this list!! i thought after all the bashing he gets from fans that he would be on this list for sure, but i guess he just missed it.

  81. Tdk24 says: Jun 19, 2010 10:50 PM

    The poll participants are ra-tards.

  82. Hugh says: Jun 19, 2010 11:12 PM

    Deb is freaking hilarious!!!
    Someone makes a comment about Pitts. and the Steelers organization and she immediately goes into “Defend The Rapist” mode.
    And even if the evidence doesn’t show semen, that doesn’t prove that he never penetrated.
    And even if she is an attorney (which I still don’t believe), she has got to be the worst attorney I’ve ever seen. I would never hire someone like Deb who spends ALL her time defending a rapist…………… ON A NFL WEBSITE!!!!
    And even if she is an attorney (Bwahahahahaha), she acts like she is smarter than anyone else (the only real evidence she might be one). I’ve worked with attorneys for years and they can be some of the dumbest MF’ers I’ve ever met.
    You know Deb, if Vick had hired you, you might have been able to convince people Vick didn’t kill any dogs as well.
    Eh, maybe not.
    Back to the kitchen Deb. Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!

  83. Deb says: Jun 19, 2010 11:37 PM

    Ravenmaniac says:
    Way to spin it Deb….
    ———————————————–
    According to police records and videos …
    * Georgia’s pelvic exam found no forensic evidence of intercourse.
    * She told police she didn’t know what position they were in.
    * But she once claimed Ben forced intercourse while she sat on the toilet.
    Like the authorities, I’ve concluded she’s lying.
    You’ve concluded a 6’5″ man forced his penis into the vagina of a woman who was sitting on a 14-inch-tall toilet. Then contrary to all scientific reason, was able to remove his penis without leaving a pindrop of seminal residue, pubic hair, or other forensic evidence.
    So by your rationale, even though he was drunk, Ben Roethlisberger was still able to perform AMAZING acrobatic feats with what must be THE longest, most flexible, and obviously the most immaculate penis on Planet Earth.
    Oh, Ravenmaniac, when it comes to spin, YOU are the Jedi Master.
    Stay away from me, you jackass moron.

  84. TryTheVeal says: Jun 19, 2010 11:47 PM

    how the hell can you live in florida and root for the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Crimson tide without being labeled a front running douchebag?…….It’s iapossible……PigBen and Saban are saints,……….

  85. Deb says: Jun 19, 2010 11:47 PM

    @RebaT. …
    Gotta agree this time, definitely DO NOT want to see Roethlisberger swinging naked from lightpoles. No no no no ROFL

  86. notlisteninganymore says: Jun 19, 2010 11:54 PM

    @Spiller21
    FAQ UR a douche

  87. BleedGreen99709 says: Jun 20, 2010 12:10 AM

    Sad when a rapist is on the loose.

  88. Deb says: Jun 20, 2010 12:42 AM

    Hugh, you simple-minded lil wretch …
    Never said I’m an attorney. Yes, I’m sure you’ve spent a lot of time with lawyers … and guards. And no, I don’t think I’m smarter than the room. It just seems that way to you. I’m sure most people seem smarter to you.
    Yes, when my team’s QB was accused of rape, I did my homework. I’m a writer–books, articles, etc.–and researching is a tool of the trade. And I do get a lil pissy about those false accusations. When you have a real rape history, you’re not too patient with wannabes.
    No, sweetie, the exam found no forensic evidence of intercourse–that’s why the authorities didn’t press charges. See, even if I were an attorney, Ben wouldn’t need me. When a guy withdraws, he still leaves behind traces of seminal fluid. That’s why withdrawal isn’t a wise birth-control choice. Sadly, your folks must have discovered that too late.

  89. Deb says: Jun 20, 2010 1:15 AM

    @TryTheVeal …
    Uh-oh … my greatest fear is having a baby-cow person on PFT declare me a front-running douchebag … especially since that whole “douchebag” thing makes absolutely no sense to me.
    The front-running thing–now that’s logical. Bama just won its first SEC championship in 10 years and its first National Championship in 17 years. Sure glad my dad’s from Alabama so I could jump on THAT bandwagon at birth.
    Was a kid when I fell in love with the Steelers. Can I pick ‘em or what? Only had to stick with them for 26 years waiting for a championship. The 80s were swell. Best year: 1989. We lost our first two games to Cleveland and Cincy … 92-10. My Steeler tees were the envy of all the Florida kids … in their Marino jerseys. But, hey, who didn’t love Bubby?
    Yeah, that’s me … Lil Miss Front Runner.

  90. Defx says: Jun 20, 2010 1:56 AM

    Bob S. says: “Looks like racism is alive and well! Got to go all the way down to #9 before you see a non-minority.”
    ——————————————–
    Al Davis, Ben Roethlisberger, and Jerry Jones are minorities? 3 of the top 5 are white.
    Put down your race card and go get yourself an education instead.

  91. BLeedGreeN4Life says: Jun 20, 2010 2:41 AM

    GrantwP says:
    June 19, 2010 7:37 PM
    A-rod is crap, he is easily #1
    What more do you want from vick? give the guy a break. He did his time, more time then people get for far worse crimes.
    Give the guy a break. There is no question he should start over Kolb.
    2 games in the preseason, and those fans will be begging for Vick. He wins games. Kolb hasn’t done anything in the NFL. Seriously?
    They don’t have brady, they don’t have manning, they have kevin F’in kolb. gimme a break
    ————————————————-
    Oh haha, you must be one of those people that thinks Mike Vick is a good quarterback. Idiot. You must love anal with blondebluedevils.

  92. BP says: Jun 20, 2010 2:59 AM

    How can you hate Al Davis more than Kobe, unless you’re a Raider fan?

  93. sharkattack says: Jun 20, 2010 3:12 AM

    Ok seriously, am I the only one who doesn’t care about dogs? Really? 1,000 damn dogs are not worth a millionth of a human life. There are people who have rapped, and killed HUMANS on this list.
    F*ck dogs.
    Also, to the dude who said Vick never did anything; the guy rushed for 1,000 yards as a Qb. That sh1ts hard to do on Madden for christ sake. I mean I don’t like him, The Falcons, or The Eagles, but give dude some credit.

  94. rolli1967 says: Jun 20, 2010 3:47 AM

    Awwww come on guys are we being to hard on poor Worthlessburger?!?!? All he did was whip out his pee-pee for some drunk coed furburgers and then bring one of them back to a bathroom stall! Nothing else can be proven! Should that and the NV incident earn him #3 on the hated list?
    Absolutely! He is a 2 time superbowl winning QB making millions who has to stoop to picking up drunk coeds in dive bars and doing them in bathroom stalls. Classy Guy there Ben!

  95. 60minuteassassin says: Jun 20, 2010 7:34 AM

    Drowning puppies is a lock to win this award. Glad to hear he is not electrocuting, bludgeoning, or choking dogs any longer. Now that he understands it is wrong he shouldn’t have a problem anymore.

  96. Deb says: Jun 20, 2010 8:28 AM

    @MVPnis …
    Well, the country’s libel and slander laws are certainly f***ed up, that’s for sure. Some nutjob who named himself after his genitalia just came on a public forum and completely distorted the legal cases against Roethlisberger, Woods, Jones, Stallworth, and Lewis. Guess it takes protein to feed brain cells.

  97. Deb says: Jun 20, 2010 8:36 AM

    @rolli1967 …
    Yeah, I’m sure he’s the ONLY bad boy in the NFL who’s ever picked up a clinging groupie in a dive bar. Uh-huh. Can you say Green Bay Packers? Or he could have hired a few for a boat ride a la the Vikes. Maybe he could have hired a few to wear out opposing teams the night before a game like the Giants used to do. Wait! Better yet, he could have picked out some Facebooks cuties and flown them to away games like those wily KC Chiefs. As for “doing them” in bathroom stalls … apparently that turned out to be a frustrating experience for all concerned in Georgia … unless he’s the Tidy Bowl Man … or has an immaculate penis.
    Just keepin’ it real, rolli1967 ;)

  98. 60eagles says: Jun 20, 2010 9:11 AM

    Hide your Beagle, Vick’s an Eagle! Now that’s funny.

  99. Hugh says: Jun 20, 2010 10:11 AM

    Hit a nerve, did I Deb?
    And yes, here in my prison, each convict is given their own personal laptop. Bwahahahaha.
    Cute Deb.
    Listen, I’m not an idiot Steeler homer who’s going to eat the BS that spills from your mouth. Just because your “read the police report” doesn’t make you an expert on the events that happened when Ben raped that woman.
    But keep telling everyone about “all the facts” that happened. Since you seem to think you are the only one who knows them.
    I just finished breakfast and left some dirty dishes for you.
    BACK TO THE KITCHEN!!!!!!!!
    Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!

  100. steveco says: Jun 20, 2010 1:46 PM

    Only in America…it’s illegal to kill dogs but legal to kill unborn babies….duh…who’d of thunk that?

  101. this class sucks says: Jun 20, 2010 2:24 PM

    @sharkattack
    Yes, you are the only person who doesn’t care about dogs. What is wrong with you? I am not saying you have to hate Vick, but what sicko doesn’t love dogs?
    @steveco
    Idk if you are trolling or really trying to start this argument but that has no relevance to who is the most hated athlete so why don’t you take that else where.
    @Deb
    Ignore Hugh. I think he recently discovered a different website that is all about trolling and is just trying to get a rise out of you. Don’t even respond to him.

  102. footballrulz says: Jun 20, 2010 2:38 PM

    There are people who have rapped, and killed HUMANS on this list.
    _________________________________
    I’m sorry –which one is the rapper? I have to agree though, that hip hop crap is enough to make someone kill somebody.

  103. Deb says: Jun 20, 2010 3:15 PM

    Hugh, honey, you mean you’re NOT a Steelers fan??? Say it isn’t so!!! You hide that sooo well. ROFL
    Didn’t “read the police report.” Read ALL police reports, witness statements, criminal and civil complaints, and public court filings in Georgia and Nevada. … Checked histories of participating civil and criminal attorneys and Georgia DA. … Watched interviews with investigating officers and DA’s full 71-minute press conference. … Reviewed data on DNA testing in rape cases … Ran questions past practicing criminal attorneys who’ve represented both suspects and accusers as well as trauma therapists, EMTs, gynecologist, etc. … Have a background w/multiple rape victims.
    No, I’m not the only one who’s checked the facts, and don’t know or care what happened in the bathroom. Only know what DIDN’T happen.
    Have fun in the kitchen, genius.

  104. Deb says: Jun 20, 2010 4:00 PM

    @this class sucks …
    Don’t worry … never take “back to the kitchen” boys seriously. Know I shouldn’t feed the animals, but sometimes can’t resist ;)

  105. Hugh says: Jun 20, 2010 4:45 PM

    Deb, just cuz you read “all” the police reports, ect. still doesn’t mean you know sh*t about what happened that night in the bathroom. Because no cop has EVER lied on a police report.
    Never happens.
    An for the record, a man can penetrate a women without out leaving evidence. Your theory is so flawed.
    But keep trying to convince people you know what the f*ck you’re talking about. You’re f*cking hilarious!!!

  106. Bious says: Jun 20, 2010 5:00 PM

    Poor choice. He was and deserved the #1 guy last year but not anymore
    He has faded into oblivion

  107. greenie says: Jun 20, 2010 5:48 PM

    Vick belongs in one of two places: Prison or Hell. He will eventually be in one of them.

  108. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jun 20, 2010 7:00 PM

    @sharkattack
    @GrantwP
    Both of these guys are TYPICAL MV defenders, they want others to ignore the pure evil of MV by minimizing his sadistic behavior. They say “others have done much worse & it was only dogs, not people” using the typical Vick defenders flawed logic. Anyone that has managed to actually do research on the subject of serial animal torturers & killers knows it’s about much more than “just dogs”.
    Anyone that could take ANY LIVING CREATURE & attach electrodes to it’s genitalia & shock it to death as it screams in pain while laughing about it is an anti-christ, anyone that could take ANY LIVING THING & set it on fire as it screams in unimaginable torture & gets off on it is beyond sick.
    This wasn’t a one time mistake, as it went on repeatedly for over SIX YEARS. For 6 YEARS, MV tortured & killed animals with his bare hands in some of the most ghoul like & grotesque ways humanly possible & ENJOYED IT!
    That way of behaving is usually reserved for individuals that become serial killers, most graduate from torturing animals to torturing humans. This is deep rooted, soulless, complete evil behavior. This what the MV defenders ignore & try to minimize by bring others into it or justifying it by claiming it was only dogs.
    He never did one day in jail for the abuse he doled out with his bare hands for laughs. He got 2 measly years due to an incompetent jock sniffing excuse for a prosecutor. And even with all that, the Vick defenders claim he was railroaded, would be funny if it wasn’t so ignorantly sad.
    He is most hatred because most people comprehend that his INTENTIONAL behavior with those sick & bleeding animals in an abomination. Most understand that any soulless POS that could do that to hurt & crying animals is inherently NO F*CKING GOOD.
    Mike Vick is a vile, sadistic, subhuman excuse for a man & that’s why he is most hated, nothing any MV defender posts or babbles about will ever change that.

  109. jibfest says: Jun 20, 2010 7:28 PM

    The Mike Vick thing is old. Like Jay Z said, we’re off that. The guy paid his penance, unlike Roethlisberger.
    –Since when do Jay-Z’s words mean anything? he is a rapper, who isn’t even that good to begin with. These guys sit around and takes months to write crap music with beats that are all mostly sampled. I’ll take someone who plays an actual instrument any day.

  110. Mike Daly says: Jun 20, 2010 9:39 PM

    I agree that Vick is not qualified to be a starting quarterback and praise for his quarterbacking is wrong. But he’s no longer relevent to the league beyond is limited role.

  111. rolli1967 says: Jun 21, 2010 2:50 AM

    Deb says:
    June 20, 2010 8:36 AM
    @rolli1967 …
    Yeah, I’m sure he’s the ONLY bad boy in the NFL who’s ever picked up a clinging groupie in a dive bar. Uh-huh. Can you say Green Bay Packers? Or he could have hired a few for a boat ride a la the Vikes. Maybe he could have hired a few to wear out opposing teams the night before a game like the Giants used to do. Wait! Better yet, he could have picked out some Facebooks cuties and flown them to away games like those wily KC Chiefs. As for “doing them” in bathroom stalls … apparently that turned out to be a frustrating experience for all concerned in Georgia … unless he’s the Tidy Bowl Man … or has an immaculate penis.
    Just keepin’ it real, rolli1967 ;)
    ——————————————————
    @Deb,
    LMAO…..Love the dry humor, Deb. I can’t wait until football starts…..tired of all the bull. Let us see how 10/17/10 plays out and the rest of the 2010 season plays out. I will talk at you later. Rolli

  112. The Real Shuxion says: Jun 21, 2010 8:27 AM

    Though I don’t believe Ben raped her it does not mean he didn’t perform some type of sexual assault on her.
    When the DA has to go over every step of what happened during a press conference instead of saying “We don’t have enough to prosecute” and just walk away from the podium usually is a sign that even he believes that something happened. He said there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute (that video mysteriously being written over) not they didn’t believe a crime wasn’t committed.
    That being said even if he did nothing wrong (Although the SI article reports he knew full well she was not 21) he is still an easy person to hate. An entitled, smug douchebag who treats people like crap. What about him is there to like. I am not shocked he is in the top 5. I am shocked he is not #1.

  113. imissmydeadspin says: Jun 21, 2010 10:35 AM

    a high profile sports figure could perform acts of genocide, and as long as they keep winning championships, the sports media will get on their knees for them.

  114. Joe says: Jun 21, 2010 12:02 PM

    america loves dogs more than woman thats why…

  115. this class sucks says: Jun 21, 2010 3:30 PM

    @The Real Shuxion
    Well being a jerk certainly doesn’t get you into the top 5. There are plenty of jerks in the NFL, I’m sure some that would make Ben look like Jim Belushi. No one anywhere knows for sure what happened so any speculation is obviously baseless. Did something happen that made the girl uncomfortable, probably, but I doubt very much the amount of hatred towards Ben matches whatever happened. It doesn’t appear he raped her, in fact she never even accused him of rape. No one with half a brain thinks the other rape case is anywhere close to true. So what happened was probably overblown sexual confusion that most people on this board are deciding to dub rape. As long as Ben keeps playing well and stays out of trouble NFL fans will probably forgive him in a couple of seasons. Thats just judging off past cases (Ray Lewis, Kobe Bryant). I do think what Vick did was worse. Although Ben’s jerkiness is surely more than Al Davis and Jerry Jones, still don’t get those.

  116. RebaT. says: Jun 21, 2010 3:44 PM

    Roethlisberger should be #1 on the hit parade. Boy he fell off the face of the earth lately huh? That interview was such a joke they had for him on the Pit channel. He’s such a liar.

  117. Deb says: Jun 21, 2010 7:01 PM

    @rolli1967 … see ya later ;)
    @The Real Shuxion and this class sucks …
    Goes against me to pile on a man who’s served his sentence … but JunkYardDogg1156 made an excellent case for why Vick again captured #1.
    Actually, fellas, Georgia did accuse vaginal rape by penis. Confusion probably resulted from her original denial of being raped. Initial incident report read “sexual manipulation.” In his first press conference, police chief plainly said it wasn’t a rape accusation. No one said different until DA’s final press conference. But he said the only accusation was vaginal rape. That’s also clear from her written and videotaped statements. No other type of penetration or assault is relevant because she didn’t accuse him of anything else.
    Shux, have some direct knowledge of Fred Bright and he’s a highly respected prosecutor. But he did wander some in his comments. That’s why I had to listen to the whoooole thing three times :) He covered every detail because of the case’s notoriety.
    If you ever wind up drinking w/anyone who worked this case, they’ll probably say Ben’s an ass … but they’ll definitely say no one assaulted that woman in any way, shape, or form. Guaranteed.
    this class sucks … funny, but one independent witness said she was hanging all over Roethlisberger to the point where HE seemed extremely uncomfortable. And she reveals in one statement what made her uncomfortable. She said he just turned around and left without saying a word. After scoping around, SI reported she was “obsessed” with BR. Witnesses say they were in the bathroom no more than 10 minutes. Whatever happened, he just dumped her there. Must have made her feel pretty … dumped.
    Apparently Andrea McNulty was expecting a call-back, too. That’s why she was texting people she couldn’t wait to see him again. Hell hath no fury …

  118. KoolKell says: Jun 21, 2010 8:25 PM

    Whether Ben actually got there or not, he obviously tried to rape her. And it’s not the first time.
    What Mike Vick and his friends did, was sick, period. Whether dogs, cats, or any other living creature.

  119. vickhater4ever says: Jun 21, 2010 9:43 PM

    Junkyarddogg you are so right. Vick was killing those poor dogs for years. He is not remorseful, he’s just sorry he got caught. I was an Eagles fan for many, many years but as soon as they acquired that worthless POS it was over for me. Even if they got rid of him today I still wouldn’t be an Eagles fan again because they will forever be crap to me. Vick should never have been allowed to play again. Period. Now before everyone starts to write back a bunch of crap, I am only addressing Vick and what he did. If you want to know what he did google it. If you think what he did was okay then you have issues and shut up.

  120. Deb says: Jun 21, 2010 10:37 PM

    @KoolKell …
    Yeah … whether he “got there or not” obviously he TRIED to rape her. That’s why she said he DID rape her … because a woman can’t tell when a guy forcibly penetrates her. (She rolls her eyes.)
    You guys are taking grasping at straws to hysterical lengths.

  121. whyme says: Jun 22, 2010 12:20 AM

    The difference between Vick and Roethlisberger: Vick harmed animals and paid the price for his crime. Roethlisberger has attempted or committed rape at least twice and will likely not pay the price for his crimes.
    To me it’s not even close. Roethlisberger will always have the shadow of a rapist who got away with his crimes over him.

  122. bcb171 says: Jun 22, 2010 2:00 AM

    Hey Boofer T Justice made the perfect comment and it was the very first one.

  123. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 22, 2010 2:26 AM

    People who say that Vick tortured dogs are incorrect. Vick FUNDED the operation since when have you heard of a kingpin getting his hands dirty. Is he just as guilty? Yes but dont act like “HE” did it per se. Its like blaming George Washington for Slavery just because he owned slaves. Is it wrong? Of course it is.
    On to Ben. I am a Steeler fan. A realistic one. Deb is an obvious homer. Ben got away with SEXUAL ASSAULT. He sexually assaulted her. Notice how Deb keeps saying “rape”????? Make not mistake about it Ben’s intention was TO RAPE. It only ended up being sexual assault (very close to the same thing). The accuser had scratches, blood and lacerations on her vagina. Those don’t get there on their own. The Rooney’s are viewed in a new light in my eyes. The desperate move to keep this cancer has harmed our team immensely.
    Vick is hated more than Ben because we tend to forgive our OWN before we forgive one of another race. If it had been Peyton Manning convicted of harming Dogs and Donavan Mcnabb accused of rape twice you would have seen MORE of an outcry at Mcnabb and less of one at Manning.

  124. Deb says: Jun 22, 2010 2:57 AM

    @whyme …
    Why you? Because you’re not too bright? The first woman never filed a criminal charge, she just waited a year and sued for $3 million. She has no evidence at all that she was raped. But the defense has her own text messages telling people she wanted to see him again. According to a roomful of witnesses, the Georgia woman followed him all night, was climbing all over him, and was out of sight only 10 minutes. And the medical exam showed she didn’t have intercourse. She told the cops no one raped her, then changed her mind and said he did–then told so many different versions of her story it was ridiculous. I know you guys hate Roethlisberger. He’s not my favorite guy either. But how do you justify going around saying a guy raped two women when he … didn’t?

  125. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 22, 2010 6:11 AM

    How did the blood and lacerations get on the accusers private area? Ben most certainly was guilty of something. TAKE THAT DEB

  126. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Jun 22, 2010 9:11 AM

    According to a roomful of witnesses, the Georgia woman followed him all night, was climbing all over him, and was out of sight only 10 minutes. And the medical exam showed she didn’t have intercourse. She told the cops no one raped her, then changed her mind and said he did–then told so many different versions of her story it was ridiculous. I know you guys hate Roethlisberger. He’s not my favorite guy either. But how do you justify going around saying a guy raped two women when he … didn’t?
    ______________
    Because he did? The poor girl was drunk and because of our society, where famous people are just assumed to also be good people (or at least not misogynistic masochists)…and she was afraid and traumatized after what happened. Also, if she was following him around all night, she also probably knew that his goons were cops, and considering they served her up to him, she may not be too comfortable around cops either. I’d be alot more inclined to believe she was lying if her story was ROCK SOLID. The fact that she didn’t even remember basic details implies that she WAS telling the truth, not that she WASN’T. If she was just doing it to make up a story and get some money or fame or whatever, she’d have all her details down, she’d have worked out everything in her head before going to the cops. She didn’t do that. She told them what she could after her traumatic event. It’s pretty common. Look into it a little.

  127. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 22, 2010 10:01 AM

    Please excuse Deb she is a bit confused. She says Ben “Is not my favorite person” but yet she is on EVERY Ben thread defending him lol. BEN IS her favorite person…….can’t you tell? How many innocent men behave like Ben did? Ben was lying so much that his attorney had to silence him. Since you have combed all of the evidence why don’t you bring up dumb Ben’s accurate comments? The more likely story is that Ben was inviting him everywhere he went vs “she was following him around”. Why didnt he have one of his goons ask her to leave IF he didn’t enjoy her company?
    Rich people think poor people are beneath them so it’s not hard to imagine rich Ben thinking that this poor woman was beneath him. Therefore he thought he could do anything he wanted to her. It’s not like a rich guy has never thought they were above the law before. Worth noting, to date, there has been NO civil suit filed suing Ben for damages. CAN YOU SAY “NAME YOUR PRICE” AND LET’S JUST MAKE THIS GO AWAY. What does you anylitical mind say about that Deb?
    LOL

  128. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 22, 2010 10:02 AM

    *analytical

  129. this class sucks says: Jun 22, 2010 11:34 AM

    @RealisticSteelerfan
    Your so stupid it hurts. What are you are listing is circumstantial evidence, which is a legal term that means complete crap. Nothing you, or anyone else says proves nothing. Two people no for 100% what happened. Two. Anyone else saying they know other wise is an idiot. Deb is looking at the evidence and if a reasonable person looks at the evidence there is plenty of evidence to show that Ben in fact may not have done anything. Its speculation, but at least it is looking at the evidence and not listing a few circumstantial things that kinda (but not really) prove your point.
    If you are a Steelers fan and hate Ben. Get over it. We all were mad at him, but this is football. He isn’t a great guy, but he is good. There are probably less than 10 people in the league right now who are both truly good guys and very good. Every team has an asshole, every team has a criminal, some worse than what Ben was accused of. So just shut up, and stop talking about it. Don’t ever bring it up again.
    @Deb
    Don’t take anything in that post as a passive slight against you. I know you are looking at all the evidence and have come to a reasonable conclusion.

  130. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Jun 22, 2010 12:59 PM

    this class sucks says:
    June 22, 2010 11:34 AM
    @RealisticSteeler fan
    Your so stupid it hurts. What are you are listing is circumstantial evidence, which is a legal term that means complete crap. Nothing you, or anyone else says proves nothing. Two people no for 100% what happened. Two. Anyone else saying they know other wise is an idiot. Deb is looking at the evidence and if a reasonable person looks at the evidence there is plenty of evidence to show that Ben in fact may not have done anything. Its speculation, but at least it is looking at the evidence and not listing a few circumstantial things that kinda (but not really) prove your point.
    ______________
    Heh. If you’re going to call someone stupid, don’t screw up the first word.
    Also, I’d say any reasonable person would look at the information available and conclude that Ben is a rapist and a monster. Did you notice the only people defending him are steelers fans? I don’t have a horse in the race. I don’t care about the steelers, they aren’t a threat anymore, they’re a team on the decline. Why would I go out of my way to say their QB is a rapist? Oh right, because he is.

  131. this class sucks says: Jun 22, 2010 2:18 PM

    @EverybodyGotAODS
    I hate that stupid word, ur correct though, that was the wrong one. How ever a misuse in grammar and a misuse in logic are two different types of stupidity and I would much rather be the former.
    By the way, your paragraph is full of run-ons.
    What exactly did you look at to make you think Ben is a rapist? That is how I know you are stupid because he has only been accused of rape once. It wasn’t in Georgia and no one (regardless of fan loyalty) thinks that Ben was guilty in the first case. You’re (ha! nailed it!) about as much of a threat to Ben’s credibility as your (bam! 2 for 2) favorite team is to the Steelers playoff hopes.

  132. Deb says: Jun 22, 2010 4:38 PM

    @RealisticSteelerfan (Riiiight) …
    Take that? Gee, Jughead, how are things in the junior high cafeteria?
    It’s a difficult concept for the simple-minded, but I separate professional performance from personal likeability. Ben’s a great QB. And apparently he’s a jackass. But he didn’t rape anyone. It rankles me to see an innocent jackass falsely accused of a sex crime by liars who’ve never been through the hell so many of us have experienced. I defend him because I DESPISE them.
    Confusion? Child … please …
    Police approached Roethlisberger in the club that night. He said “I remember that woman. I told her she was too drunk to be back there. I think she fell and hit her head.” At that point, one of his friends told him he shouldn’t say anything else without an attorney present. Wise friend. He has made NO other statements concerning that night. All the other statements and lies you say his lawyer had to shut up? Those are just voices in your demented imagination. Never happened.
    The vaginal exam DID NOT find blood and lacerations. The exam found slight vaginal bruising and a small bleeding scratch. That type bruising can come from sexual assault. It can also come from consensual sex, fondling, masturbation, the use of a vibrator, etc. The scratch could come from a woman wiping herself–especially in a drunken state–or fondling, masturbation, use of a vibrator, etc. The ESSENTIAL element for penile rape is insertion of a penis. Penile insertion–even if the man withdrew before ejaculating–would result in seminal residue, traces of sperm, pubic hair, etc. No trace of penile insertion was found. That’s the ONLY kind of sexual encounter she alleged–and it didn’t happen.
    The accuser’s story contradicted the timeline provided by multiple witnesses, the statements of her two sorority sisters, AND her own statements. The medical exam showed NO trace of intercourse. Witnesses from multiple establishments stated that SHE pursued Ben all evening. The authorities said they didn’t have enough evidence to provide probable cause for an arrest, let alone enough to go to trial. On top of that, the accuser decided not to cooperate–BUT she made it a point NOT to retract her accusation.
    When you pay someone off, you get something in return. The DA had NO evidence. He was NOT filing charges regardless of the accuser’s cooperation. Ben was NOT going to jail no matter what. The ONLY reason Ben would pay her off would be to get her to retract. She did NOT do that. SO, genius, obviously he did NOT pay her off. If he did, he got NOTHING in return. Rich people with smart lawyers don’t pay big money for NOTHING, you idiot. The DA said there was NO evidence she’d been paid ANYTHING. She hasn’t filed a civil suit because she could not win but her name would be made public like Andrea McNulty’s and she would be further dragged through the mud.
    This isn’t rocket science … except to people who have the brain capacity of peas.

  133. Deb says: Jun 22, 2010 4:39 PM

    EverybodyGotAIDS …
    You don’t have a horse in the race???? ROFL … Fans of several teams have commented on Ben’s innocence. They don’t defend him ad nauseum–neither do most Steelers fans. I’m kind of a lone crusader, which has nothing to do with Ben and everything to do with my rape history.
    Aww, that “poor lil girl.” She was just TERRIFIED of Ben’s entourage … as she followed him from club to club … pinching him to get his attention … drinking like a fish of her own accord … hanging all over him … telling him she was down to f**k.
    Gee, every rape victim I’ve known–even those who were under age six, beaten, terrorized at gunpoint, and slipped drugs so they couldn’t fight back–ALL remember what position they were in. Wow, guess in the whole 10 MINUTES they were out of sight, this woman who pursued Ben relentlessly was traumatized beyond what those women endured in the hours their attackers held them … at least according to you, the PFT trauma expert. Wow, thanks for that insight.
    @this class sucks …
    No problem … I realize I can’t explain how I’m so sure.

  134. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jun 22, 2010 5:24 PM

    # whyme says: June 22, 2010 12:20 AM
    The difference between Vick and Roethlisberger: Vick harmed animals and paid the price for his crime. Roethlisberger has attempted or committed rape at least twice and will likely not pay the price for his crimes.
    To me it’s not even close. Roethlisberger will always have the shadow of a rapist who got away with his crimes over him.
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    Vick NEVER paid the price for his brutal & his intentional cruelty with his bare hands on hurt & crying animals as he GOT OFF on it. He would still be doing it if he didn’t get caught.
    For him to pay for his crimes he would still be in jail. He got away easy for what he did for a six year period. What MV did isn’t in question, we know what he did & how he lied about it. Hell he even lied to the same people sticking up for him now, infected them with VD as well.
    Roethlisburger has NEVER been charged with anything formally, just in the court of public opinion. You are right though, it’s not even close…MV is a despicable excuse for a human being, a disgraceful, contemptible excuse for a man. He will always wear the pure evil label & rightfully so.

  135. Bobby Guillory says: Jun 22, 2010 6:11 PM

    Leave Michael Vick alone when is a dog worth more than a human. I would have a dog or cat in my house because they smell. So he was wrong but he paid the price. Do you hate hunters who kill othe animals for no reason. Ask yourself that question?

  136. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jun 22, 2010 7:16 PM

    # Bobby Guillory says: June 22, 2010 6:11 PM
    Leave Michael Vick alone when is a dog worth more than a human. I would have a dog or cat in my house because they smell. So he was wrong but he paid the price. Do you hate hunters who kill othe animals for no reason. Ask yourself that question?
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    Hunters eat what they kill. Did MV kill for FOOD?? Hunters do not take electrodes & attach them to animal’s balls & shock them as they stand around & double over in laughter. Hunters do not take live animals & set them on fire as they get off on it. There’s a HUGE difference.
    Ask yourself, do you always comment on things you know nothing about?
    Get educated on serial animal torturers & killers before posting such ignorant comments.

  137. vickhater4ever says: Jun 22, 2010 7:27 PM

    Hey Bobby…leave Vick alone? What are you two? What are you trying to say anyway? You smell?

  138. this class sucks says: Jun 22, 2010 7:34 PM

    @Bobby Guillory
    I am feeling you aren’t on the “literate” side of the intelligence spectrum so maybe my response will be wasted but nevertheless, I will argue with you. Hunting is different. I am not a fan of hunting, I think it is a stupid waste of time, and hardly qualifies as a sport. But, I would say most people that do it today, eat what they hunt. Shooting a deer is hardly humane, but it isn’t blatant, purposeful, recreational torture. Shocking, drowning, beating, choking, and forcing dogs to fight is far different than hunting.
    This has been addressed several times already in this thread (like the comment directly above yours) but clearly reading is not your thing. Vick didn’t “paid the price” for torturing animals. He didn’t serve a day in jail for that.
    Lastly, you said “when is a dog worth more than a human” (which by the way, is a question and should end with one of these -> ?). Well, I can’t speak for Al Davis, but no one in the top of this list tortured and killed people for six years. In fact no one on the list killed, or has been accused of, killing anyone. So I don’t think people are saying a dog’s life is worth more than a human’s, people simply feel that a dog’s life is not worthless. I don’t share their view however. I feel that there are some people that are worth much less than an average dog. Michael Vick for 1.
    Hooked on phonics may help you out in the future. Also you should learn how to make a good argument and not just spew pointless rhetoric like a politician, or a certain Alaskan.

  139. KoolKell says: Jun 22, 2010 8:29 PM

    Cruelty to animals along with bed-wetting is one of the surest psychological signs of a sociopath.
    What he was involved with is beyond the pale, and I don’t think Vick should have been reinstated by the NFL. Or would the NFL reinstate child-molesters as well?

  140. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jun 22, 2010 8:42 PM

    @this class sucks
    Very nice bro – Amen

  141. KoolKell says: Jun 22, 2010 8:46 PM

    Cruelty to animals along with bed-wetting is one of the surest psychological signs of a sociopath.
    What he was involved with is beyond the pale, and I don’t think Vick should have been reinstated by the NFL. Or would the NFL reinstate child-molesters as well?

  142. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 23, 2010 6:11 PM

    I see they took my post off. Deb must work for this blog because EVERYTIME I hand her a new one the post “mysteriously” disappears. Hmmmmmmm

  143. CrabsVD17 says: Jun 25, 2010 5:37 PM

    I have no opinion on whether or not Ben assaulted women. There is plenty of evidence that he displayed the judgment of someone capable of that, but that doesn’t mean he did anything criminal. What I want to know is why there has been such a backlash against people assuming his guilt when Kobe got crushed (and still gets crushed). There were no witnesses of Kobe doing anything, the girl went up to his hotel room at 3 am, and suddenly he is the most hated person in sports and loses his endorsement deals. Maybe its because everyone hated Kobe to begin with, maybe the fact that he’s black played a part, but isn’t it a bit ridiculous how many people are willing to defend Ben when no one backed up Kobe (other than his wife). Deb, I bet you hated Kobe so much and probably still think he did it. Are you sure you’re not just fighting for your boy?

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