Andy Reid says experience with sons helped him with Michael Vick

Eagles coach Andy Reid has two sons who have been to prison. That experience, he says, helps him coach a player who’s been to prison.

I think it altered my outlook when it came to Michael Vick,” Reid told Anthony L. Gargano of FanHouse.

Reid’s son Britt, who was arrested in 2007 on drug and weapons charges, is now at Temple and is working as a student assistant with the football team. His son Garrett, who a year ago was sent to a maximum-security prison after an altercation at a halfway house, recently got out of a halfway house and has a job at a body shop.

Reid said that seeing how prison affected his sons has helped him relate to Vick.

“I think the actual exposure that I faced and went through for this problem helped me to be more sensitive to their situations,” Reid said. “It surely helped me with Michael. Just knowing the phases that he went through, knowing what to look for, and then in return making sure that he stays on top of his game.

“He seemed like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders when he got here. It’s hard. You’re saying all the right things. But it’s an insecure ride the whole way when you get out of jail. He’s a different guy today when you talk to him than he was back then. And as long as he keeps his nose clean, he will continue to progress and be better for it down the road.”

71 responses to “Andy Reid says experience with sons helped him with Michael Vick

  1. Makes sense. He’s failed with his sons in a similar way that he’s failing with Vick.

  2. Reids sons can’t stay out if jail due to probation violations. Doesn’t bode well for Mikey.
    Considering the recividism rates for violent felons it is only a matter of time… Clock is ticking Mikey.

  3. Andy should know having two drug addict, criminal thug sons… Andy for Father of the Year Award…

  4. Still must hurt seeing his sons scrape by doing menial tasks while Vicky gets a free ride in the NationFelonLeague.com

  5. He thought it was becuase Eagle’s are a second class organization so Vick fit right in…

  6. well he was a free asset to the team……cost nothing to sign other than extra dollars the team didnt use(wait till the salary cap returns next year they are posititioned to be like 30 or 40 mill below the cap still) i hate vick with a passion but if they cant get trade value for him i see the value in keeping him

  7. I support Big Red. He is easily the best coach in Eagles history and all the Philly fans that complain about him need a lobotomy.
    However, he needs to stop using that scumbag loser Michael Vick as a proxy for his scumbag loser sons. The NFL isn’t a charity and it isn’t a halfway house for ex-convicts.
    Vick is a waste of roster space and I’m terrified of what will happen if Kolb gets injured. Surely, the Eagles don’t want Vick starting at QB. The guy can’t throw to save his life! One impressive throw in the playoffs against the Cowgirls doesn’t change that fact!
    The Eagles did their charitable duties: they helped Vick get back into the NFL. Now, they need to let another team sign him. Trade him or cut him ASAP.

  8. Good for you Andy! And here’s to Michael defeating his inner demons and continuing to become a positive influence to the young members of our community. Let’s hope he keeps it that way

  9. Andy Reid is a great coach and you mooks complaining about him are insane! Who would you replace Reid with? And, don’t give me Gruden, or Cowher!
    Andy Reid is a future HoF coach. Now that we have a truely accurate QB in Kolb, a perfect fit for the WestCoast offense, you’ll see just how dangerous Reid’s offense can be!
    Don’t get me wrong, I liked McNabb. I really did. But, he often threw too low to the ground or overthrew wide open targets! The key in the WC offense is to hit your receivers in stride so they can gain yards after the catch. McNabb was great at the deep ball throws, but not much else.

  10. RyanT.
    Trade or cut Vick? Now? Are you seriously suggesting this? What an idiot.
    Who would our back-up be then? Say what you want about Vick, he Kolb goes down, I wouldn’t want any other back-up in the league to step in and do the job.

  11. Why cut or trade him? First Falcons then Eagles. Do the Cardinals need another QB?
    …just trying to keep up the whole bird thing.

  12. Guy should quit while he’s not too far behind. Guy’s just diggin’ a hole. Guy should learn when just not to talk.

  13. WildBirdOffense,
    Listen up moron: Marc Bulger would make the perfect backup and mentor for Kolb.
    Plus, he wouldn’t be a drama queen like Vick.
    Do you really think Vick is happy in his backup role?
    “I wouldn’t want any other back-up in the league to do the job.” REALLY?
    Have you been drinking bong water this morning?
    You would rather have a 52% career passer who has only topped 3,000 yards once in his entire career than Marc Bulger?
    And, you have the nerve to call me an idiot!

  14. Marc Bulger has been horrid for the last 6 years! At least Vick was playing at a PRO BOWL level before he got incarcerated.
    You’re right tho, replace Vick, who has been with the Eagles for over a year and has SET plays in the offense with an over the hill, overrated, poor mans Eli Manning — and that’s not saying much.
    Say what you want about Vicks off the field issues, when he steps on the field, you don’t know WHAT is about to happen. The only man in the NFL you can run a legit option with IS number 7. You don’t have to respect the man, but you will respect the player. Once again, I’ll resort to name calling — idiot.

  15. @paulitik –
    Are you suggesting that putting the backup QB in in a blowout is considered rubbing it in? Kinda funny that you are still smarting from that!
    Did you notice that most of the Atlanta fans were chearing for him?

  16. Just as a pre-emptive strike against the Cowgirl fans: 34-3 was also the score of the beat down administered to the Cowgirls by the Vikings in the playoffs.
    So, I wouldn’t brag like you won the SuperBowl.

  17. @RyanT –
    It seems the “idiot” tag might suit you. Marc Bulger? Really?
    I’d rather have Koy back than Bulger! Ok, not really, but don’t wish Bulger on us!

  18. How has Vick been a “drama queen” ?
    Reid took on Vick as a low risk, high reward possibility that just never panned out as a big win. So what? That what the low risk part means

  19. NoKoolaidCowboy says: June 21, 2010 9:45 AM
    Why cut or trade him? First Falcons then Eagles. Do the Cardinals need another QB?
    …just trying to keep up the whole bird thing.
    ——————————————————
    The Seahawks have also showed interest.

  20. # .Vox Veritas. says: June 21, 2010 9:03 AM
    Makes sense. He’s failed with his sons in a similar way that he’s failing with Vick.
    _____________________________________
    Um…
    (short pause)
    Uhhhh…
    (long pause)
    Huh?

  21. # BigBlueDeadHead says: June 21, 2010 9:46 AM
    Guy should quit while he’s not too far behind. Guy’s just diggin’ a hole. Guy should learn when just not to talk.
    ______________________________________
    Guy is making millions of dollars holding a clipboard.

  22. Holy Crap. Andy Reid is a tool. How about guiding your sons through life so they don’t go to jail in the first place. Not one son, but two went to jail?!! And now he applies lessons about life after jail to Vick? Father of the year here folks. Sausage for brains.

  23. WildBirdOffense and birdmancometh,
    “At least Vick was performing at a pro-bowl level before he was incarcerated.” —-“Don’t wish Bulger on us.”
    You guys need to get out more. Get some fresh air, and get oxygen to your brains.
    *2006: Marc Bulger vs. Michael Vick*
    Bulger: 370-558, 4,301 yards, 24 TD, 8 int.
    Vick: 204-388, 2,474 yards, 20 TD, 13 int.
    PS: 2006 was the last year Vick started. He completed only 52.6% of his passes. In comparison, Bulger that very same year comleted 62.9% of his passes.
    And you two geniuses have the nerve to call me an idiot???
    I rest my case!

  24. Vick has been a drama queen by constantly running to the press and proclaiming that he wants to start for another team.
    I mean, if you had an employee that was constantly complaining about his hours and telling erveryone who would listen that he wants to work for a different company, wouldn’t you label him a drama queen?

  25. So basically what Andy is say is:
    Kolb is the starter for the Eagles “wink wink”.
    HA HA HA
    Kolb is just another “Failed Great Hope”.
    Vick the starter by game 3 and will win the MVP and Comeback player of the year.
    Vick is the future of the NFL qb model.
    Sorry guys, but after Brees is done, so is the one dimensional unathletic qb…………….
    HA HA HA

  26. RyanT. says:
    June 21, 2010 10:48 AM
    WildBirdOffense and birdmancometh,
    “At least Vick was performing at a pro-bowl level before he was incarcerated.” —-“Don’t wish Bulger on us.”
    You guys need to get out more. Get some fresh air, and get oxygen to your brains.
    *2006: Marc Bulger vs. Michael Vick*
    Bulger: 370-558, 4,301 yards, 24 TD, 8 int.
    Vick: 204-388, 2,474 yards, 20 TD, 13 int.
    ——————————————–
    You conveniently forgot to mention the NFL RECORD 1,006 rushing yards and about 6 other rushing tds.
    Just thought I would help you out with that missed stat to 2006 for the Vick comparison.
    HA HA HA

  27. See, the Vick worshippers are easy to debunk just by consulting the official NFL statistics at NFL.com
    Why argue with idiots like WildBirdOffense, when you can totally humiliate him with FACTS.

  28. Scraping by?!?!?!?
    They are doing better than 99.99% of ex cons. Gee, I wonder why!
    You show me a black kid wave a gun at a white bystander in the suburbs get out so quickly…and land on his feet at a high demand job he wanted.
    Show me. Doesn’t happen.
    These kids are still being handed whatever they want, whenever they want.

  29. @RyanT –
    Wow son! Pick a year huh? Look, i’m not mad at ya, but you can’t just go around picking years. Look at the body of work. Since ’06 Bulger has thown 27 TD and 34 INT’s in 35 games.
    You can make any point you want with stats, but bottom line is why do you think he’s not signed yet? I prefer Vick.
    Oh and don’t forget about that 1,039 rushing yards in 2006.

  30. Blondblue-race baiter:
    Once again a Vick worshipper is wrong and or lying through his race-baiting teeth.
    In 2006, Vick rushed for 1,039 yards with 2 TDs and a whopping 9 fumbles!
    Which means Vick by himself had 22 turnovers when you combine his ints and fumbles!
    “Pro Bowl” on what planet?

  31. @Ryant
    You forgot to mention the fact that Bulger was UNFORTUNATELYplaying with not one, not two, but three surefire HOF’s that year. Buck had a 2nd year WR and a TE.

  32. Blondbluedevil, I don’t buy your schtick.
    You’re obviously a white kid living in his mommy’s basement and trying to rile up “the man”, while pleasuring yourself to your “yes we can” Obama poster.
    Go try being “edgy” elsewhere.

  33. Vick was never a good QB and the pro-bowl is nothing but a popularity contest with no merits. In case you need any proof of this refer to last season and Vince Young.
    Andy Reid is not a HOF coach until he proves to everyone that he can: A. Manage a game and its clock or B. win the big one. He cannot do either and it has put a negative light on his legacy to anyone who isn’t an Eagles fan.
    34-3?? I think that has been thrown out by an 0-3 sweep last season. Deal with it.

  34. # .Vox Veritas. says: June 21, 2010 9:03 AM
    Makes sense. He’s failed with his sons in a similar way that he’s failing with Vick.
    _____________________________________
    I guess it takes a failed childhood to recognize a failed father right warlock429??? I mean, all your father produced was a pro football blog TROLL who has never kissed a girl and still lives at home, I know this because your comment was posted 8 mintues after the article was written…..SERIOUSLY? Do you have a life??? Lets not even mention that this article has no other interest for you other then you being a TROLL!
    But alas, PFT will never let this post hit the light of day, cus, they love VOX and his dedication to D&D!

  35. BlondBlueDevils says: June 21, 2010 11:00 AM
    So basically what Andy is say is:
    Kolb is the starter for the Eagles “wink wink”.
    HA HA HA
    Kolb is just another “Failed Great Hope”.
    Vick the starter by game 3 and will win the MVP and Comeback player of the year.
    Outstanding.
    Something in print to post over and over and over during the season again, to prove, if it hasn’t been already.
    The simple fact that this flat out Rory Holloway wannabe is simply:
    A racist.
    A bigot.
    And most importantly, a flat-out, grade-A IDIOT.
    So keep up the hard work, Minister Louis.
    It never gets old laughing at you.
    “HA HA HA”

  36. I wouldn’t be in a big hurry to critize someone for the actions of their children. If you have children yourself, you realize that sometimes the best you can do is not enough to change the outcome which is utlimately in their own hands.
    Vick is another story. He was a scumbag, remains a scumbag and likely be a scumbag his whole life. He chose his own destiny and I think he needs to live with the consequences. Whether he ever starts again as a NFL QB is secondary to the character issue, he’s not someone I would want on my team.

  37. Jimmysmith I guess you floated down from heaven with roses come out of your ass!? Are you saying people don’t or cannot change? Stop judging lest you be judged…

  38. Ryan T,
    Bulger was good in… 2006. I don’t think you can use injury prone, 2010 Marc Bulger in an option play. I love Bulger but anyone with common sense knows that Vick is definitely more of a threat, especially when they use the wildcat. They designed an entire package of plays that Vick can run with some level of success. I would only want Bulger as a backup if Kolb got hurt for an extended period of time, only because the only guy behind Vick would be Mike Kafka.

  39. Look, I’m not trying to bash on Mike Vick.
    The guy served his sentence in prison and while I think he is a disgusting scumbag, he still has a right to make a living.
    But, as his official stats clearly show: Mike Vick is overrated and always has been overrated.
    Media hype and commercials don’t always go to the guys who prove themselves on the football field.
    Michael Vick for all the hype doesn’t have the stats to back it up.

  40. Vox,
    The option is for D-II college football. They don’t even use it outside of Navy and Air Force in D-I anymore.
    And, as an avid Eagles fan, who watched every televised game trust me: Vick didn’t do crap out of the Wildcat!
    He had one decent game in garbage time against his old team the Falcons.
    He threw one decent pass to a wide open Maclin in the playoff blowout loss to the Cowboys.
    The Eagles signed him for only two reasons: (1. The NFL begged them to (2. They stupidly thought they could use him as trade bait for a high draft pick.

  41. Blondbluewhitekid,
    If Michael Vick is the “future of the NFL QB model” then the NFL is in for a very bleak future.

  42. Hey roto245, se18a29, & Vox:
    Do any of you know with certainty that Reid’s parenting is directly to blame for the transgressions of two grown men? Or that Reid didn’t do the best he could raising his boys? If so, carry on. If not…I’m not sure 3 despicable gents like yourselves are really qualified to be ragging on anyone else’s shortcomings – in any walk of life.

  43. Georgia Tech runs a triple option. Not arguing it would work in the NFL, just sayin…

  44. 2007, 2008 and 2009 weren’t Marc Bulger’s best years….
    But, his stats were still a helluva lot better than Michael Vick’s.
    If you compare their careers Marc Bulger crushes Michael Vick in every stat except rushing, (and isn’t that what a running back is for)?

  45. Another thing about these gimmick plays for Michael Vick: they mess up the offense!
    I used to see the sheer frustration on McNabb’s face every time they brought Vick in to play.
    Because it usually ended any offensive momentum they had!
    You all probably remember Vick’s sweet TD throw to Maclin, but you conveniently forget his fumble in the same game.
    Ya know where he couldn’t make a simple handoff because he was too worried about his own glory?

  46. RyanT. says:
    June 21, 2010 1:41 PM
    Blondbluewhitekid ,
    If Michael Vick is the “future of the NFL QB model” then the NFL is in for a very bleak future.
    ———————————————
    I have 130 Million reasons why……………
    What other qb had a larger contract?
    HA HA HA

  47. I’m sure a few schools still run the option. But, as birdmancometh noted: it won’t work in the NFL.
    And, the fact of the matter is this: the Wildcat doesn’t work in the NFL either.
    Miami had success with it for one season because it was new and unexpected and they were coming off a 1-15 season, and thus had a weak schedule.
    But, even Miami failed at the Wildcat last year. Because D coordinators now scheme against it.

  48. bulger was just fine when they kept people off him.
    vick throws picks when no one is near him.

  49. Blondbluewhitekid,
    EXACTLY!
    $130 million to produce the mediocre stats that Vick has over the cours of his career?
    Can you say: Overpaid and Unproductive?

  50. @ blondbluewhitekid
    Do you ever read back what you type before you hit submit? Everything you say is completely insanely racist and dumb. You never have a bit of factual evidence to support even the smallest claims you make. I sometimes think that you are really a white guy who just likes using race to get everyone going. You my friend have some serious mental and sociological issues that you need to work out and then try to understand the game of football on at least a 1st grade level.

  51. @Ryan T. and pretty much everyone else in the PFT universe..
    On the question of anything Michael Vick related being an issue of race, its actually quite simple.
    The people who get the most upset, even to the point of blind rage, are white. Period.
    When the season starts take a look at the PETA protesters who show up outside stadiums where Vick is playing.
    The PETA crowd is completely white. You won’t find very many, if any black people in PETA because..well, for the most part those who make the effort to stand outside the stadium and scream at Vick are “socially-challenged” people who have so much difficulty relating to other humans that they pour their energy into the welfare of animals.
    Then look at the people who post the most bitter, hateful, vile comments in these parts. How many do you think are white people? I suspect all of them because whenever anyone introduces a racial component, the angry mob gets really defensive and sometimes a bit socipoathic.
    The reason white people get more upset at Vick is because (generally speaking of course) black people just arent as concerned with dog fighting and animal welfare…or someone taking steroids and breaking the all time home run record.
    Now lets be clear. Im not saying you hate Michael Vick or Barry Bonds simply because theyre black…But these issues really seem to push white people over the edge.
    Maybe its because black people have larger concerns–like how to coexist on a personal, professional and/or corporate level with people who exhibit stronger emotions when dogs are killed than they do at the news that a trillion dollars has been spent on the war in Afghanistan.

  52. Point is, if Vick can be anything close to what he use to be, he is one of the FEW players in the NFL that can win a game “by himself”.

  53. @ corner
    Most of what said is very interesting and possibly correct. However… As a white man what pushes me over is people saying that I have a problem with Vick because he is black. I think
    that generally there is a part of the black cutlure, generally southern, as well as redneck white culture that basically has no respect for animals. Now don’t get me wrong, no animal life is worth more than any law abiding non murder, rapist, child molester etc. life. What is troubling is how someone can viciouslly take the life of a helpless and generally loving thing. Dogs and to a lesser extend cats, which I hate by the way, provide a type of companionship when raised properly. Someone like me who has grown up with a family dog nearly ever year I have been alive appreciates this companionship. We don’t rely on the companionship but it is good to know that if you have a day where everyone alive has crapped on you, you can go home and know that you will be greeted with joy. As corney as it sounds, its true.
    The majority of people in this country feel the same way regardless of their race. Our society as a whole generally sees the weakness of an individual to destroy dogs like Vick did. Many, if not all understand the sociological connections to animal abuse and other crimes. We are realistic and as a result notice that people like Vick are sick and disturbed human beings. They do not deserve our pitty or a shred of our compassion.
    Lastly, a lot of people get angry about this “Vick did his time” nonsense. He didn’t do his time for dog fighting, ever, and never will. He did time for interstate gambling. So many of us feel like he got off easy. Yeah he lost money and a lot of it, but lets face it, he was over paid to begin with like every other athlete. Those of us supporting our families on far less don’t care about his money. He lost two years of his life, well good. For those two years a scumbag was taken off the streets and an element of the criminal underground was slowed.
    So there you have it. It isn’t really a race issue, I hate PETA and would never picket. Picketting is uesless and the majority of people know that. Also, most of us have jobs and other obligations and don’t have the time to make a sign and then act like an idiot for an hour.

  54. The reason white people get more upset at Vick is because (generally speaking of course) black people just arent as concerned with dog fighting and animal welfare…or someone taking steroids and breaking the all time home run record.
    And the real reason black people support Vick is for singular reason that he IS black..AND…the fact he is so vilified by the “white” population ….the black population get into their “We Shall Overcome” mode and draw that definitive line which they feel seperates “US” versus “THEM”.
    It has absolutely nothing to do with the treatment of animals, contributing to society in a positive manner, representation in your profession….etc…none of that.
    I am not among the rank and file that want this guy’s head on a stick.
    He committed a crime. He did his time. By the book, he deserves a second chance. Can’t argue with that.
    But when clowns like Cornerdenizen gets on his pulpit and makes absolutely abundantly clear racist comments and then have the gall to say at the end (paraphrasing) “But…that doesn’t make me a racist.” ..it’s really……unfortunate.
    Just keep stacking the deck with those race cards.
    It’s like a fire alarm: Use in case of emergency.

  55. It’s nice that Reid only had to sacrifice two sons to learn how to relate to Mike Vick. I could see one kid going off the rails-it happens-but Reid raised two of them. That’s not a coincidence, Andy.

  56. “The PETA crowd is completely white. ”
    More racist BS when it comes to defending Mike Vick. Typical!
    How about:
    Oprah?
    Tyra?
    Michelle Obama (a closet supporter but a supporter of PETA none the less).
    Guess the above women aren’t black.
    This isn’t about racism, the outrage about Mike Vicks sick, blantent disregard for defenseless creatures isn’t about that.
    People that post this racial BS want it to be, then they have a built in excuse for people holding MV accountable for his pure evil torture & serial killing of hurt & bleeding animals for FUN!
    Mike Vicks acts of torture & serial animal killing with his bare hands for six years are UNEXCUSABLE! If he hadn’t have been caught, he’d STILL BE DOING IT! He ENJOYED IT!
    “How many do you think are white people? I suspect all of them because whenever anyone introduces a racial component, the angry mob gets really defensive and sometimes a bit socipoathic.”
    Replace the word white with the word black above & the poster would he a flaming white hating racist, but a black posts the above & thats alright, after all, “Blacks can’t BE racist”. Nothing is more socipathic than Mike Vicks acts of intentional sadistic evil for personal entainment. Show me a white person that intentionally tortured animals like MV did, besides serial killers there are none.
    The “stick together at all costs” groups continue to defend this POS, and it is demeaning to your race to do so. Blind race defending it total ignorance, plain & simple.
    You are wasting your time supporting this poor excuse for a man & human being.

  57. this is just a terrible unneccisary post. You should really only post about football not of the field crap, minus the turd watch. Vick is out of jail reids sons arent even in the nfl world wtf is the point. Dumb Dumb Dumb, i come here hoping to see this round pick was signed and i get this crap.

  58. junkyarddog, I will agree with you that dogfighting is wrong, but your painfully shortsighted opinion piece is killing me…
    1) Let’s start off with a bit of fun… you just used the “I know 3 black people” argument. Compare your limited sample with the vast majority of african americans that sympathize (at least to some extent) with Vick.
    2) Vick was largely a product of his environment and though his actions were immature, the idea that you need to be a “sociopath” to participate in dogfighting illustrates your limited view of the world…
    Let’s take SLAVERY for example. Were most white folks living in the South “sociopaths” in the times leading up to abolition? I’d argue, no, they were largely a product of societal norms and the state of the world at the time.
    3) Your continuous attempts to liken Vick to a serial killer are laughable. You’re reaching for straws trying to find similarities between Vick and famous psychopaths without taking into account circumstance and situation. Why, I could probably make loose connections with anyone (including you and I) and various murderers. Didn’t the Columbine kids play Doom a lot? Oh no, we must have a whole society of mass murderers on our hands!

  59. Warning to Corner……
    You cannot show a Vampire his own image. Even if they could see it their image from the eyes of another they would die like Dorrian Grant looking at his own picture.
    The truth in this country is like the crackhead brother or the stripper sister…. kept in the closet when company comes over. You see the truth hurts those that feel a certain way about certain people, things, or places.
    Vick served his time, lost all his money, is constantly bothered by PETA, and is going to be executed publicly for the rest of his career for participating in something created by WHITE MEN.

  60. #
    ck was signed and i get this crap.
    # Voice of Reason says: June 22, 2010 5:32 PM
    junkyarddog, I will agree with you that dogfighting is wrong, but your painfully shortsighted opinion piece is killing me…
    1) Let’s start off with a bit of fun… you just used the “I know 3 black people” argument. Compare your limited sample with the vast majority of african americans that sympathize (at least to some extent) with Vick.
    2) Vick was largely a product of his environment and though his actions were immature, the idea that you need to be a “sociopath” to participate in dogfighting illustrates your limited view of the world…
    Let’s take SLAVERY for example. Were most white folks living in the South “sociopaths” in the times leading up to abolition? I’d argue, no, they were largely a product of societal norms and the state of the world at the time.
    3) Your continuous attempts to liken Vick to a serial killer are laughable. You’re reaching for straws trying to find similarities between Vick and famous psychopaths without taking into account circumstance and situation. Why, I could probably make loose connections with anyone (including you and I) and various murderers. Didn’t the Columbine kids play Doom a lot? Oh no, we must have a whole society of mass murderers on our hands!
    ————————————————-
    Here we go another uneducated MV defender that has done ZERO research on serial animal tortures & killers. Again we want to bring up things that have NO bearing on the evil of MV.
    Yes I had fun posting the Oprah, Tyra, Michelle thing as it absolutely proves the statement wrong. It’s fun to see the reactions and the use more racism to counter the original reverse racism wrong. Not at all surprising… but funny
    My references have never been about dog fighting. The problem with MV is the setting on fire of sick animals, the beating to death of sick animals, the hanging of sick animals, and the electrocuting of sick animals. The brutal cruelty that he administered with his own hands for sh*ts & giggles. Torture by setting on fire is environment?? Seriously? That’s what you want to use to defend MV’s behavior?
    Slavery has nothing to do with anything here, LOL always slavery… need some new material guys. Slavery had nothing to do with MV’s sadistic soulless torture & killing with his bare hands for laughs. This was a privileged athlete that thought the rules were for others. How about the failed drug tests, the knowing infection of black women with VD, lying to anyone & everyone?
    Get educated on animal serial torture & killing. Every serial killer first performed the types of ghoulish torture MV did on animals. Opinions are one thing & you are entitled to yours but fact is fact. The type of suffering Mike Vick inflicted on those animals is classic pre-serial killer behavior.
    You read about 7 words of my post, not surprising though; most MV defenders do not want to hear facts, just counter with blind support…
    MV is evil, anyone that could or would do what he did with his bare hands for fun as animals screamed in perverse pain is a complete POS.

  61. # eaglelover1 says: June 22, 2010 6:35 PM
    Warning to Corner……
    You cannot show a Vampire his own image. Even if they could see it their image from the eyes of another they would die like Dorrian Grant looking at his own picture.
    The truth in this country is like the crackhead brother or the stripper sister…. kept in the closet when company comes over. You see the truth hurts those that feel a certain way about certain people, things, or places.
    Vick served his time, lost all his money, is constantly bothered by PETA, and is going to be executed publicly for the rest of his career for participating in something created by WHITE MEN.
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    White men created MV’s evil behavior on attaching wires to dogs balls & shock them.
    White men created his sick acts of setting live animals on fire? All the while laughing about it, actually getting off on it? And of course white men gave him the idea that that this was ok to do repeatedly over & over for SIX years? Even though it’s been well documented that his FATHER told him what he was doing was wrong, he listened to the white man.
    LOL listen to yourselves, too funny…anything to defend this warped & sick behavior.
    2 years for what he did, he got off 10 years early. He deserves what he gets.

  62. # eaglelover1 says: June 22, 2010 6:35 PM
    Warning to Corner……
    You cannot show a Vampire his own image. Even if they could see it their image from the eyes of another they would die like Dorrian Grant looking at his own picture.
    The truth in this country is like the crackhead brother or the stripper sister…. kept in the closet when company comes over. You see the truth hurts those that feel a certain way about certain people, things, or places.
    Vick served his time, lost all his money, is constantly bothered by PETA, and is going to be executed publicly for the rest of his career for participating in something created by WHITE MEN.
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    White men created MV’s evil behavior on attaching wires to dogs balls & shock them.
    White men created his sick acts of setting live animals on fire? All the while laughing about it, actually getting off on it? And of course white men gave him the idea that that this was ok to do repeatedly over & over for SIX years? Even though it’s been well documented that his FATHER told him what he was doing was wrong, he listened to the white man.
    LOL listen to yourselves, too funny…anything to defend this warped & sick behavior.
    2 years for what he did, he got off 10 years early. He deserves what he gets.

  63. JimmySmith says: June 21, 2010 12:31 PM
    I wouldn’t be in a big hurry to critize someone for the actions of their children. If you have children yourself, you realize that sometimes the best you can do is not enough to change the outcome which is utlimately in their own hands.
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    Wait, you have kids? Great, the future unemployed people my tax dollars will have to pay for grows.

  64. Defenses for the clueless MV supporters:
    1. The white man is responsible for the free will of the black man.
    2. The slavery of the black man, which he is well over 100 years detached from, is responsible for the behavior of MV.
    3. The reason MV is hated and vilified is because he is of the black race, not because he tortured, maimed and killed animals for the expressed and singular purpose of his enjoyment and profit.
    Not necessarily in that order.

  65. They waved guns at civilians and smuggled drugs into prison. These guys are hardened criminals.
    And junkies.

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