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Jaguars website sounds the alarm

The decision by the Jaguars to limit attendance at their intra-squad scrimmage only to season ticket holders received some criticism in Jacksonville, and here on PFT.

Vic Ketchman of Jaguars.com has a message for those who question the move.  And while it ran a few days back, we thought it was too powerful to ignore.

“At this time, I would like to speak to everyone from my heart. I ask
that you, please, read my words carefully and embrace them. Here goes:
Folks, this is it. This is save the whale. Forget, for the moment, about
kids and growing the fan base for the future. We’ve been doing that
since 1995. Back then, it was about the future. In 2010, it’s about the
present,” he starts.

In the most clear way possible, Ketchman makes the case that the Jaguars have reached a crisis point, if that wasn’t already clear.

“Ticket
sales, not the futures of David Garrard and Jack Del Rio, is the number
one issue confronting this team, and it’s not about next year’s ticket
sales or growing the fan base for 2020, it’s about selling tickets for
this year. This is it,” Ketchman says. 

“This is save the whale and, from my perch on the
beach, the whale is struggling to live. I think everyone would do well
to understand that the radical nature of this decision underscores the
team’s desperation to sell tickets. The team knew this decision would be
harshly criticized, yet, it went forward with it. Why do you think it
did? If your answer is that we have reached the tipping point, then you
are a logical person.”

We read Ketchman daily, and doubt anyone in Jacksonville has a better handle on the Jaguars’ situation. The message is clear.  This is an organization fighting daily for survival, with no real guarantees beyond 2010.

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  1. HarrisonHits says: Jun 22, 2010 9:26 AM

    LA Jags here they come.

  2. FireJerryJones says: Jun 22, 2010 9:28 AM

    This strategy is proven to fail.
    Need to look no further than NHL or further north to the CFL.
    They used to blackout local games all the time, and lost touch with their local fan base.
    Black Hawks still do it in NHL, but Chicago is not Jacksonville.
    When you don’t have a critical mass, you don’t have a viable market.
    #1. Jacksonville can’t afford an NFL team.
    #2. Jacksonville clearly prefers college football to the NFL.

  3. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 9:28 AM

    Jacksonville works well under pressure. In 1993, they had to sell 10k premium seats in a week in order to keep their expansion bid afloat. They did.
    The business community is getting behind the team because they realize how important they are to the local economy.

  4. joetoronto says: Jun 22, 2010 9:29 AM

    Just move this damn team already, WTF?

  5. drumbug71 says: Jun 22, 2010 9:29 AM

    I don’t get it, so maybe someone can explain it to me. Why would a move like this be criticized by fans? If the team can’t sell out games and is losing money hand over fist, they need to do things like this to encourage season ticket sales. And fans can’t expect that everything is for free — they have to do their part to keep the team there. What am I missing?

  6. MotorCityKitties says: Jun 22, 2010 9:30 AM

    Meet your 2011 L.A. Jaguars

  7. Football says: Jun 22, 2010 9:32 AM

    When the Jags move to L.A., will they switch divisions? It would be weird to have the L.A. Jags in the AFC South along with Indy, Houston and Tennessee.
    Here is my solution. Let them switch places witht the Rams.
    The AFC South becomes:
    Colts, Titans, Texans and Rams
    The NFC West becomes:
    Cards, S’hawks, 49ers and L.A. Jags

  8. CleanSlaton says: Jun 22, 2010 9:33 AM

    What an awful franchise.

  9. Gaiterdan65 says: Jun 22, 2010 9:38 AM

    Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing, your 2011, Los Angeles Jaguars!

  10. bbeer says: Jun 22, 2010 9:48 AM

    @Football
    Here is my solution. Let them switch places witht the Rams.
    ===============
    As a Rams fan, I hate this. The Rams are going to be awful for years to come and putting them from the worst division to arguably the best would ruin them.
    As a football fan, it makes sense though.

  11. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 9:50 AM

    “CleanSlaton says:
    June 22, 2010 9:33 AM
    What an awful franchise.”
    And yet that awful franchise swept the Texans last year. Interesting.

  12. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 9:53 AM

    “MotorCityKitties says:
    June 22, 2010 9:30 AM
    Meet your 2011 L.A. Jaguars”
    And play where exactly? The Rose Bowl? The Coliseum? There are already two AFC teams in California. Last time I checked both play in dumps and neither exactly has a season ticket waiting list. So you want to move the team to another market that will struggle to support them?

  13. Mr. Blue says: Jun 22, 2010 9:53 AM

    One would think that making it free to attend the scrimmage would give the team a marketing opportunity. You know, show people around, talk up the value of season tickets. Let them experience sitting in the seats. Limiting attendance to season ticket holders is exactly the wrong move. What are they trying to say? Attending a scrimmage is such an unbeliveable thrill that we are reserving that opportunity for our season ticket holders. I guarantee I could do a better job and sell more tickets than whoever is on charge right now. Ownership should be ashamed of itself.

  14. BigSuede says: Jun 22, 2010 9:54 AM

    Jacksonville should have never gotten a team in the first place– i hope the owner there has taken a big hit.
    I would rather see the KC chiefs be switched with the jags if they go to LA- the rams could end up in LA themselves in a couple years

  15. Raven_Mike says: Jun 22, 2010 9:55 AM

    And the NFL thought Jacksonville was a viable football town and Tagliabue told us to build a museum. We don’t have any problem selling tickets here.

  16. PARavensJeff says: Jun 22, 2010 10:00 AM

    Proves how stupid Taglibue was putting an expansion team there to start with! Everyone knew this would happen there. & Baltimore built their musuem asshole & its great to visit 8x every fall & during the playoffs!

  17. DanSnyderSux says: Jun 22, 2010 10:01 AM

    Football says:
    June 22, 2010 9:32 AM
    When the Jags move to L.A., will they switch divisions? It would be weird to have the L.A. Jags in the AFC South along with Indy, Houston and Tennessee.
    Here is my solution. Let them switch places witht the Rams.
    The AFC South becomes:
    Colts, Titans, Texans and Rams
    The NFC West becomes:
    Cards, S’hawks, 49ers and L.A. Jags
    It was about as weird as having the Atlanta Falcons in the NFC West and the St. Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals in the NFC East all those years. The only problem with moving the Rams to the AFC South is that both Indianapolis and St. Louis are in the north. The whole thing is a mess.

  18. Chitown says: Jun 22, 2010 10:03 AM

    Wow, even Ralph Wilson has never begged this hard for people to pay for an average at best product. If they were so worried about season ticket sales they should of drafted Tebow. This team is headed to LA if it is at all possible I could see them packing the moving vans before the 2010 season.

  19. birdmancometh says: Jun 22, 2010 10:05 AM

    Save the Jags! Nobody wants L.A. anywhere near the NFL. Actually, I don’t know that, but I certainly don’t like LA in the NFL.

  20. Jon Snow says: Jun 22, 2010 10:10 AM

    I guess the Jags FO didn’t realize that Tebow saves whales too!

  21. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 10:13 AM

    The funny thing is this really isn’t even a big issue in Jacksonville. I have not heard one person talk about this on local radio since the day it was announced.

  22. dabarber says: Jun 22, 2010 10:16 AM

    If it was “all about selling tickets” they should have drafted Tebow in the 1st round.
    Quit whining how nobody wants to shell out thousands of bucks to see a crappy team play.

  23. godofwine says: Jun 22, 2010 10:28 AM

    My brother is a Jaguar fan. In 1994 he dumped the Browns because of Belichick and sought an alternative. He could have went with some other team that was already successful like the Cowboys or 49’ers, but he chose the Jacksonville Jaguars who had yet to play a game. He has stuck with them. I applaud him for not going with an established team that was already doing well. He got in on the ground floor while the building was being built. I wonder where they will move to. No matter where that is he will still be a fan.

  24. midwest says: Jun 22, 2010 10:29 AM

    If you read “Ask Vic” daily, then why did it take you until Tuesday to post something that was written on Friday?
    The Jags are not going anywhere. There will be no blackouts this year.
    It makes 5000x more sense to move the Raiders to LA anyway. They were worse in attendance last year than the Jaguars, and they only have a few million more people to support them.

  25. gosox2673 says: Jun 22, 2010 10:29 AM

    Yeah let’s move them to L.A. Makes sense. Move a team away from an area that can’t/won’t support a NFL team to a city that…can’t/won’t support a NFL team. Brilliant.

  26. ErikInHell says: Jun 22, 2010 10:32 AM

    Raven idiots, you didn’t get a team in the ’95 expansion because Tagliabue took his queue from the owners committee, that was headed by art model. Model used your dumbasses to leverage baltiwhore into paying him a ton of money to move his team. He even had his demon spawn david move the Browns Backers Club headquarters to baltiwhore in ’93. You idiots got set up as badly as the fans in Cleveland. How much in taxes and lottery in MD now go to the stadium fund?

  27. Bob says: Jun 22, 2010 10:41 AM

    “This strategy is proven to fail.
    Need to look no further than NHL or further north to the CFL.
    They used to blackout local games all the time, and lost touch with their local fan base.
    Black Hawks still do it in NHL, but Chicago is not Jacksonville.
    When you don’t have a critical mass, you don’t have a viable market.
    #1. Jacksonville can’t afford an NFL team.
    #2. Jacksonville clearly prefers college football to the NFL.”

    —————————
    Home games are blacked out to the locals if the game is not a sellout. That’s an NFL rule that’s been on the books since the early 1970s and before that, all home games were blacked out to the locals. So that’s not a Jaguar thing — that’s an NFL thing.

    The idea behind closing the scrimmages to season-ticket holders is to add value to the season ticket and encourage people to buy season tickets. Don’t give me the crap about closing a scrimmage alienating people. Jacksonville is not exactly busting down the doors to buy the tickets in the first place. The Jags were a playoff team in 2007 and still couldn’t sell out. So they’re trying to add value to encourage people to buy tickets. When you’re desperate, you do desperate things, but it’s better than sitting back and doing nothing.

  28. purpleguy says: Jun 22, 2010 10:43 AM

    When and endangered species’ habitat can no longer support it, you need to find new habitat.

  29. lololnpnp says: Jun 22, 2010 10:45 AM

    Losing this team couldn’t happen to a better fanbase. Although it’s not really their fault so much as it’s Tagliabue’s for giving this town a team as pointed out in other comments. It was too small of a market and the fans aren’t exactly what one would call loyal.
    When this team leaves it will be the quietest exit for a pro franchise in the history of sports. With the exception of a few demonstrations around town in Waffle House parking lots.
    *spits tobacco, cranks up Freebird*

  30. dbartdog says: Jun 22, 2010 10:54 AM

    I’m already confused enough…Cleveland Rams go to LA…St.Louis Cards go to Arizona…Rams go to St Louis…Raiders go to LA…Then back to Oakland…now the Jags to LA??

  31. Citizen Strange says: Jun 22, 2010 11:00 AM

    I would suggest that people donate their money to worthy causes who really need it and not to greedy billionaires.
    This shameless begging is beyond pathetic.

  32. Vikes8480 says: Jun 22, 2010 11:05 AM

    I just hope the Jags are the ones moving to LA and not the Vikes.

  33. JoeSchmoe says: Jun 22, 2010 11:05 AM

    Sometimes it takes things to actually play out to see if the sales pitch was built on reality or BS…. looks like BS here unfortunately (for the diehards).
    Oklahoma City seems to love it’s pro sports… I’d rather see the team move there than LA who is too many transplants to care about a transplanted team. Maybe Vegas but that housing market being in shambles, it’d almost take the gambling operations to keep that thing afloat right now.
    Dare we say CONTRACTION in the NFL??? God forbid another Texas team in San Antonio or something. Jerruh Jones would never allow for that though.

  34. DB26 says: Jun 22, 2010 11:12 AM

    How many times are they going to try the LA project, only for it to fail? Find a city that loves football and give them a franchise. Too many FL teams as it is, too many CA teams too.
    Las Vegas, Louisville, Oklahoma City, Omaha, Portland, Virginia Beach, somewhere… Just stop repeating failure and try something new for once! Ugh… Isn’t performing the same function over again with the same results the definition of ignorance?
    All the cities I named are heavily populated, have good sports backgrounds, & would likely love a crack @ an NFL Franchise.

  35. Dogsweat says: Jun 22, 2010 11:13 AM

    Jaguars would switch with KC.
    AFC South
    Houston
    Kansas City
    Indy
    Tenneessee
    AFC West
    Oakland
    San Diego
    Denver
    L.A. Jaguars
    Jaguars would do well in the AFC West—attendance wise.

  36. XLI says: Jun 22, 2010 11:16 AM

    It does seem inevitable that the Jags relocate.
    I do not foresee much improvement in the Jags this year and any ticket sales will likely be a band-aid.
    If the Jags do move it could be as early as next offseason and you would likely see a swap with another team for a minor realignment of divisions (Either Rams swap or maybe KC, but those rivalries are too strong with KC).

  37. SoFlor Steeler says: Jun 22, 2010 11:23 AM

    Well since there won’t be ANY football in 2011 thanks to the idiots who run the players union this won’t matter a whole lot…

  38. ar1888 says: Jun 22, 2010 11:24 AM

    Here is my solution. Let them switch places witht the Rams.
    ===============
    As a Rams fan, I hate this. The Rams are going to be awful for years to come and putting them from the worst division to arguably the best would ruin them.
    And they seem to be doing so well there.

  39. maninmo says: Jun 22, 2010 11:25 AM

    The Chiefs are just fine right where they are at thank you very much!

  40. Jagmankane says: Jun 22, 2010 11:27 AM

    Lots of haters… I really don’t get it. Jags are a young franchise that probably had too much success too early… Maybe that is where the hate comes from?
    Especially from the likes of Clean2ndStringSlaton….. Houston would love for the Jags to be in a different division.
    Jags aren’t going anywhere. Bet that.

  41. chemicalxv says: Jun 22, 2010 11:30 AM

    FireJerryJones says: June 22, 2010 9:28 AM
    This strategy is proven to fail.
    Need to look no further than NHL or further north to the CFL.
    They used to blackout local games all the time, and lost touch with their local fan base.
    ——————————————–
    It’s still done in the CFL and there’s nothing wrong with it. No one is losing their fanbase.
    Is it annoying? Slightly, but you have to deal with it. Most of the time the games are sold out (or close to it)

  42. KILLER FIN says: Jun 22, 2010 11:31 AM

    L.A. IS STILL IN THE SOUTH 1/2 OF THE U.S.A.!!!

  43. Slow Joe says: Jun 22, 2010 11:33 AM

    The problem with Jacksonville is absolutely stunning to me. I remember that being a town starved for pro football. When they were granted a USFL franchise back in the 80s, they immediately led the league in attendance.
    Has the town really grown that spoiled and complacent in such a short time?

  44. cbatchel says: Jun 22, 2010 11:35 AM

    When the Jags move to L.A., will they switch divisions? It would be weird to have the L.A. Jags in the AFC South along with Indy, Houston and Tennessee.
    Here is my solution. Let them switch places witht the Rams.
    The AFC South becomes:
    Colts, Titans, Texans and Rams
    The NFC West becomes:
    Cards, S’hawks, 49ers and L.A. Jags
    ——————————————————
    They would have to do more than switch divisions, they would have to switch divisions and conferences. Jags are in the AFC while the Rams are in the NFC. They are not going to have teams switch conferences. If the Jags moved to LA the best thing to do is put them in the AFC West and move the the Kansas City Cheifs into the AFC South with Indy, Texans and Tenn, since Kansas City is the most East team out of the AFC West.

  45. Ken West says: Jun 22, 2010 11:41 AM

    They should have drafted Tebow.
    Tickets and Jerseys.

  46. moolah954 says: Jun 22, 2010 11:41 AM

    The funny thing is they support the Gators more than the Jags there in Jacksonville .Look how long Tampa was a terrible team and they stayed around to win a super bowl and you don’t even hear talks of them leaving Tampa but Jacksonville is actually a decent team and the people there cant manage to support them. Take it from a person who used to live in Jacksonville if the Jags leave that town is dead

  47. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 11:48 AM

    “Look how long Tampa was a terrible team and they stayed around to win a super bowl and you don’t even hear talks of them leaving Tampa but Jacksonville is actually a decent team and the people there cant manage to support them. ”
    The Bucs will have plenty of blackouts this year. Watch.

  48. DoomsDayD75 says: Jun 22, 2010 11:49 AM

    I guess fan bases don’t line up to watch a new DT too much? Jaguars are so dumb, they don’t deserve a team. Putting a team in Jacksonville was retarded in the first place. There were already two teams in Florida plus the three major college programs.

  49. joetoronto says: Jun 22, 2010 11:53 AM

    chemicalxv says: June 22, 2010 11:30 AM
    FireJerryJones says: June 22, 2010 9:28 AM
    This strategy is proven to fail.
    Need to look no further than NHL or further north to the CFL.
    They used to blackout local games all the time, and lost touch with their local fan base.
    ——————– ——————– —-
    It’s still done in the CFL and there’s nothing wrong with it. No one is losing their fanbase.
    Is it annoying? Slightly, but you have to deal with it. Most of the time the games are sold out (or close to it)
    ******************************************************
    Sorry buddy but this just isn’t true.
    The CFL has lost generations due to the blackout rules. I’m old enough to remember when the CFL actually competed with the NFL for players.
    It’s a shadow of it’s former self now, thanks to blackouts.

  50. zoinks says: Jun 22, 2010 11:55 AM

    The bottom line is, a city will show strong support for either college or pro football, but rarely both. I’m sure there are exceptions, but they are few and far between.
    Jacksonville is a college town. As long as they’re in Jax, the Jaguars will always play second fiddle to the Gators…..period.
    The funny thing is, everyone is speculating that the Jags will move to LA…..but that just means they’d be playing second fiddle to the Trojans instead of the Gators. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
    Just off the top of my head, I can’t think of a single city that has a long history of strong support both collegiate and professional football. (I’m sure there are a few out there…but like I said, they’re few and far between.)

  51. Dogsweat says: Jun 22, 2010 11:55 AM

    It’s pretty obvious the Jags are running the franchise into the ground for a move.
    They are complaining about tickets?
    They should of drafted Tebow.
    The stadium would of sold out to watch Tim.
    Now they are complaining?
    Dear Jags,
    We are not that stupid.
    Love,
    Low IQ football fan.

  52. vanhelsing says: Jun 22, 2010 12:01 PM

    move them to orlando

  53. er pete says: Jun 22, 2010 12:03 PM

    “This is save the whale and, from my perch on the beach, the whale is struggling to live.”
    Is anybody here a marine biologist?

  54. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 12:07 PM

    “Dogsweat says:
    June 22, 2010 11:55 AM
    It’s pretty obvious the Jags are running the franchise into the ground for a move.
    They are complaining about tickets?
    They should of drafted Tebow.
    The stadium would of sold out to watch Tim.
    Now they are complaining?”
    Completely untrue. There were two separate studies done before the draft and they both showed the Jaguars possibly could have gained between 2k and 3k season ticket holders by drafting Tebow. The Jaguars goal is to build a winning football team not satisfy the jean shorts wearers in Jacksonville.

  55. Bob Nelson says: Jun 22, 2010 12:13 PM

    A good QB will sell tickets. Ticket sales were fine when Brunell was QB.
    The Amos and Andy show since then has really hurt ticket sales.
    Look how even the vikings turned around ticket sales after getting Brett Favre out of retirement.

  56. AllThat says: Jun 22, 2010 12:17 PM

    Move to LA and put them in the Pac 16 or whatever it is now……………

  57. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 12:21 PM

    “Bob Nelson says:
    June 22, 2010 12:13 PM
    A good QB will sell tickets. Ticket sales were fine when Brunell was QB. ”
    Another lie. Blackouts started in 2001 when Brunell was QB.

  58. Brohamma says: Jun 22, 2010 12:25 PM

    An open letter to all Jags fans (especially those of you who argued with me after the draft),
    I stated, after the draft, that not picking Tebow would be death for the franchise. Also, I stated that Tebow was INTENTIONALLY passed on so that the team could move to a more lucrative market. Three or four of you, inparticular, took offense to this. Well, it’s time to pay the piper and eat some crow… if you are men enough.
    Weaver will make his pitch to move at the next, or second to next, owners meeting.
    Would your team have been better with Tebow… maybe not. But I will promise you one thing, it would have been better off finacially. That; my friends, is a fact. And that fact would have enabled your team to at least survive for a few more drafts and to improve.
    The Jags passed on Tebow intentionally! It makes it sooooo much easier now for Weaver to argue for a move.
    R.I.P.

  59. euclidean says: Jun 22, 2010 12:32 PM

    Two questions come immediately to mind: 1) how many years has Del Rio been there? 2) how many playoff wins does the team have under him in that time? The answers to those two questions logically leads to a third – 3) why would a coach with such a lousy record still be there year after year after year? It’s been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while hoping for different results – maybe going into training camp year after year with a lousy head coach who wouldn’t recognize a quality QB if his job depended on it – which it obviously doesn’t in this case – is just getting old with the team’s fans. I think it’s been proven that fans will stick around as long as there’s a single shred of hope, no matter how small – see the rabidly loyal Browns and Bills fans as proof – but I don’t see how a Jags fan can carry any hope whatsoever into another season knowing that it’s just not going to turn out any differently than every other year does. Why would the owner expect anything more than indifference?

  60. gojev93 says: Jun 22, 2010 12:37 PM

    Stop believing everything you read… ticket sales are the highest they have aver been and us real fans are not worried.
    Wayne Weaver decided to draw a line in the sand to separate the true Jags fans from the people who just look for a new excuse every year. The true fans are winning.
    Jags will sell out this year and all of you will wonder what to talk about then. Go Jags!

  61. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 12:39 PM

    Brohamma, none of what you said is a fact. It is just your opinion.
    What you also are suggesting is that Jaguars GM Gene Smith would be involved with your conspiracy. Smith has been a scout in the NFL for 20 years and has worked his way up to a position that is the dream job for all scouts. And that he will use his new found power as GM of an NFL team to intentionally sabotage the roster so the team can move to another city.
    Think about what you are suggesting and how asinine it is.

  62. jaxdoc says: Jun 22, 2010 12:45 PM

    Again PFT shows its love for posting everything negative it can about Jacksonville. I am beginning to think Mike Florio is on Ed Roski’s payroll.
    The Jags have sold over 12,000 new season tickets this year, the most in the history of the franchise. The renewal rate was 89% this year even though the team had a losing season. They are about 6,000 season tickets away (when group tickets are factored in) from getting every single game on tv. July is usually one of the busiest months for season tickets sales.
    Tony Boselli and the Team Teal program has done wonders and there is an excitement building here in Jacksonville for the first time in years. The national media has no pulse on us because they ignore the small markets. The team and its players have done a better job about being proactive in the community and this is being recognized.
    I predict all ten games will be on tv this year and momentum is changing here in Northeast Florida.

  63. Meldog says: Jun 22, 2010 12:46 PM

    Jacksonville’s population (or at least most of it) didn’t grow up there….they grew up loving a different team and then moved to jacksonville for either work or nice weather……..there are plenty of football fans there, but no one gives a damn about the jags. If I was a Jaguars fan, all this letter would accomplish would be the affirmation that I shouldn’t get a Jaguars tattoo.
    Lower the prices, cut costs and sell tickets. This is the only way it works. blacking out a scrimmage that no one cares about will just send a bad message.

  64. rider-x says: Jun 22, 2010 12:53 PM

    funny how all these people are saying how horrible the franchise is. I mean the jags never have been to the playoffs. They never have been to an AFC championship. Never had any pro bowlers.
    Oh wait idiots, they have been to the playoffs 6 times, 2 AFC championships ( yes they lost but they still went and hosted one) And have been amongst the leage leaders in attendance every year until the recession hit 4 years ago. All this in only 15 years of exsistance.
    And for everybody talking about how small and unnoticed the market is, everyone here seems to claim to be experts on whats going on with the town and the team. Typicall PFT thursday all americans

  65. Johnnyb612 says: Jun 22, 2010 1:02 PM

    One of the strangest statements I’ve ever read.

  66. Captain Common Sense says: Jun 22, 2010 1:04 PM

    Florida is just a horrible sports state. At least with pro football and baseball. The Marlins draw about 78 people a game.

  67. ErikInHell says: Jun 22, 2010 1:17 PM

    Rider-x, they had “high attendance” for the first 10 years because the city promised the jags a sell out for those first 10 years to get the team there. Once those 10 years were up, the team was no longer on TV because there was no more guarenteed sellout paid for by the city. Now it’s time for the fans to keep their team.

  68. giantcatfanhouse says: Jun 22, 2010 1:28 PM

    “… from my heart. I ask that you, please, read my words carefully and embrace them. Here goes: Folks, this is it. This is save the whale. Forget, for the moment, about kids…”
    Yeah, screw the kids, they don’t have a bank account.
    Wow. Just wow.

  69. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 1:51 PM

    “ErikInHell says:
    June 22, 2010 1:17 PM
    Rider-x, they had “high attendance” for the first 10 years because the city promised the jags a sell out for those first 10 years to get the team there. Once those 10 years were up, the team was no longer on TV because there was no more guarenteed sellout paid for by the city. Now it’s time for the fans to keep their team.”
    Another lie. Alot of them on this article. The blackouts started in 2001, six years after their inaugural year. The entire 2002 season would have been blacked out had it not been for a local company agreeing to buy any remaining seats. The blackouts remained an issue in 2003 and 2004, so in 2005 they reduced the size of the stadium to be more in line with the size of the city. Where you get this 10 year BS, I have no idea.

  70. moolah954 says: Jun 22, 2010 2:01 PM

    Captain Common Sense says:
    June 22, 2010 1:04 PM
    Florida is just a horrible sports state. At least with pro football and baseball. The Marlins draw about 78 people a game. ——————— i cant believe you just posted that.. you talk about the marlins low attendance but we have 2 world series titles despite being in a small baseball market and only being around for less than 20 years. think who dominates college and high school football. 80’s canes 90’s noles 2000’s gators. not mention all the professional talent that is comes from this state in all aspects of sports . i bet some of your favorite athletes are from Florida

  71. Patsfan1776 says: Jun 22, 2010 2:06 PM

    Me thinks it’ll be London for the Jags.

  72. jasncondit says: Jun 22, 2010 2:15 PM

    Boo frickin hoo. They are the Cleveland Browns or Baltimore Colts. Your state has 3 NFL teams and you might lose one to a state that has 3 NFL (Chargers, 49ers, and Raiders) teams and will now have a 4 NFL teams. How many teams does a state really need to have? (don’t give me the California is too big) Give Nebraska or Iowa at team for crying out loud!

  73. Otto Graham says: Jun 22, 2010 2:18 PM

    Baltimore and Cleveland got screwed. Jacksonville will also, welcome to the N.F.L.

  74. SomeFans says: Jun 22, 2010 2:27 PM

    Lots of haters… I really don’t get it. Jags are a young franchise that probably had too much success too early… Maybe that is where the hate comes from?
    —————————————-
    Not hate, just conversation. We dont “hate” a team that has been somewhat pathetic and can’t fill their stadium. We laugh, poke a little fun but no hate.
    J-ville is not an NFL city, period. Bad decision.

  75. jasncondit says: Jun 22, 2010 2:35 PM

    Otto — Cleveland got what it deserved. They are the most classless fans in the NFL. Chanting @$$hole the entire game. Wouldn’t be suprised if we allowed it to be nuked; wouldn’t miss it.

  76. DanSnyderSux says: Jun 22, 2010 2:36 PM

    gosox2673 says:
    June 22, 2010 10:29 AM
    Yeah let’s move them to L.A. Makes sense. Move a team away from an area that can’t/won’t support a NFL team to a city that…can’t/won’t support a NFL team. Brilliant.
    It’s funny you mention that. It seems like the NFL is the only entity so hot and heavy for football in L.A. whereas very few groups out that way seem to be as hungry for it as Baltimore and Cleveland were when they lost their football teams. Yes, let’s build a big stadium in L.A. where tens of people can go see the local team lose more often than not.

  77. Mainbucsfan says: Jun 22, 2010 2:41 PM

    Forget LA the NFL needs to look at the big picture. Evaluate money making states where a team could generate revenue I say put a franchise in Hawaii. Those people love football, they would build a stadium and have it sold out every weekend.

  78. Dogsweat says: Jun 22, 2010 2:55 PM

    Completely untrue. There were two separate studies done before the draft and they both showed the Jaguars possibly could have gained between 2k and 3k season ticket holders by drafting Tebow. The Jaguars goal is to build a winning football team not satisfy the jean shorts wearers in Jacksonville.
    Keep drinking the redneck Jacksonville lies.
    Tebow’s Broncos game in Jax is a sell out.
    I guess Jax wants to see Josh McDaniels????
    Drafting Tebow would have been huge to Jax.
    Studies are useless.

  79. Dogsweat says: Jun 22, 2010 2:57 PM

    The Chiefs are just fine right where they are at thank you very much!
    Yea, I am sure Chief fans love having Raider fans take over their stadium every year.

  80. Jagmankane says: Jun 22, 2010 3:09 PM

    @SomeFans
    Oh there is plenty of hate. Just 2 years ago the Jags were on the perch of a SB after winning in Pittsburgh twice.
    The Jags have had their success and it just so happens the attendance problems coincide with Tebow’s emergence out of high school and into UF.
    Now that the Gators will start sucking again and the Jags will improve the fans will be back, if we win a SB before the Gators get good again, we’ll be ok.
    Oh yeah the Jags have a lil over 11k left to sellout for the season. I’m not worried.
    LA will have to wait for the Raiders, or Vikings. Or Rams….. or Buffalo.

  81. jj jones says: Jun 22, 2010 3:34 PM

    “Dogsweat says:
    June 22, 2010 2:55 PM
    Keep drinking the redneck Jacksonville lies.
    Tebow’s Broncos game in Jax is a sell out.
    I guess Jax wants to see Josh McDaniels????
    Drafting Tebow would have been huge to Jax.
    Studies are useless.”
    I live in Jacksonville. I know the city. I have no doubt that there are some jean short wearers willing to fork out 30 bucks to sit in the cheap seats, wear a faded Gator shirt from Wal Mart and cheer on Tebow while he stands on the sideline. That is one reason why the game will sell out. But you are extremely naive to think this same person would have forked out 300+ bucks to do the same.

  82. Brohamma says: Jun 22, 2010 5:27 PM

    @jj jones
    How long do you think that Weaver can go on sinking money into a no-win situation? Or better yet, put yourself in his spot and consider how long YOU would do it.
    And while you are at it, consider the paycheck Smith is getting. Now consider who is signing it. You think he wants to keep getting that?
    If Jax had drafted Tebow then the franchise would, most likely, have been “viable” for another two to three seasons in the eyes of the other owners due to increased ticket sales. Now, I’m not saying Tebow would’ve been an automatic increase of “W’s” for the team; but he certainly would’ve helped the finances… are you doubting that jj jones??

  83. Spanna says: Jun 22, 2010 6:39 PM

    I am sure both the organization and the fans will step up to do what is necessary to keep this team in Jacksonville….
    Anybody happen to know the 1-800 number for Mayflower?

  84. KM91 says: Jun 22, 2010 6:40 PM

    The LA Jaguar talks again? Weren’t half of you guys screaming L.A. Vikings and Bucs in the past few weeks?
    Anyways, the Jags aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. Weaver has said that he isn’t moving and there’s a good amount of people that don’t want team move. The only problem here in Jacksonville is the large amount of Gator/Tebow fans who claim to be Jaguar fans and then proceed come up with the same laundry list of excuses every year for why they do not buy tickets. (Tickets cost too much, parking too expensive, Too many players arrested, offense is too boring) Think it isn’t a big problem, look at any random sports store in Jacksonville, the first thing you will see are not David Garrard, Tyson Alualu, or Maurice Jones-Drew Jerseys, but Bronco #15 jerseys.
    Some people figured drafting Tebow would fix the problem, but that would help us for one year and then the “fans” will disappear once they find out that Tebow won’t play. Once we start winning, which I believe will be this year, all of this talk will stop. Gene Smith obviously did not think that drafting Tebow #10 overall will ultimately help this team win. That is all. Most of these people are still crying about it on the radio 2 months after the draft. Would I want these type of people sitting next to me at JMS? No way.
    Long Live the Jaguars. IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA!

  85. funi says: Jun 22, 2010 7:24 PM

    YOUR 2013 London Jags or Mexico City Jags. No football in 2011 with the lockout!

  86. digitalbath says: Jun 22, 2010 7:41 PM

    ErikInHell says:
    June 22, 2010 10:32 AM = IDIOT!

  87. ManCrushBeastMode says: Jun 22, 2010 7:55 PM

    How much does an average Jaguars ticket go for? I live in DC and Redskin tickets here are outrageous. But, that is because there is a market, and alot of money floating around here. I am also a Bills fan and have been to games there and prices are about 33% lower. The way I see it, if they are that desperate, it might be time to cut it down. The first day of community college Macro Economics teaches supply and demand.

  88. theravenlives2 says: Jun 22, 2010 9:08 PM

    Raven idiots, you didn’t get a team in the ’95 expansion because Tagliabue took his queue from the owners committee, that was headed by art model. Model used your dumbasses to leverage baltiwhore into paying him a ton of money to move his team. He even had his demon spawn david move the Browns Backers Club headquarters to baltiwhore in ’93. You idiots got set up as badly as the fans in Cleveland. How much in taxes and lottery in MD now go to the stadium fund?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Yep, man, you’re right! Thanks, Art, for “screwing” us with a Super Bowl championship, another trip to the AFC Championship, numerous playoff appearances, Ray Lewis, Jonathan Odgen, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, Deion Sanders, not to mention a nucleus of Joe Flacco, Ray Rice, and Anquan Boldin for years to come. This doesn’t even mention having one of the top three front offices in the game, and the BEST on draft day. When the team moved here, it couldn’t even afford a practice squad. After four years of washing the Cleveland out, they were World Champs. Damn that Art Modell…Damn him!
    Oh, and btw ass munch, the money for the stadium was already set aside for the expansion team. They’d have gotten the same deal the Ravens ended up getting.
    While we’re at it, how’s that new franchise working out for ya in Cleveland??

  89. theravenlives2 says: Jun 22, 2010 9:26 PM

    @ Otto
    Baltimore and Cleveland got screwed. Jacksonville will also, welcome to the N.F.L.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    OK, dude, I agree with you about the first part – both Baltimore AND Cleveland got screwed. The second part, NO WAY!
    Paul Taglibue – the Sun King – convinced everyone that Jacksonville was the promised land. The team has done reasonably well (just ask the folks in Cleveland) on the field, and they are not supported. THE MARKET IS TOO SMALL, and its a college town. All you civic boosters down in Jacksonville better wake up…the NFL will have no issue with pulling that team out of northern Florida. If they leave, the NFL ain’t comin’ back.
    Tags was so high on Jax, and totally bypassed Baltimore. The Ravens have sold out EVERY home game in their history and have a season ticket waiting list. As they say in the beer comercial — Brilliant…just brilliant! This is one of the reasons that clown will never get into the Hall of Fame.

  90. theravenlives2 says: Jun 22, 2010 9:29 PM

    @ Otto
    Baltimore and Cleveland got screwed. Jacksonville will also, welcome to the N.F.L.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    OK, dude, I agree with you about the first part – both Baltimore AND Cleveland got screwed. The second part, NO WAY!
    Paul Taglibue – the Sun King – convinced everyone that Jacksonville was the promised land. The team has done reasonably well (just ask the folks in Cleveland) on the field, and they are not supported. THE MARKET IS TOO SMALL, and its a college town. All you civic boosters down in Jacksonville better wake up…the NFL will have no issue with pulling that team out of northern Florida. If they leave, the NFL ain’t comin’ back.
    Tags was so high on Jax, and totally bypassed Baltimore. The Ravens have sold out EVERY home game in their history and have a season ticket waiting list. As they say in the beer comercial — Brilliant…just brilliant! This is one of the reasons that clown will never get into the Hall of Fame.

  91. steely devil hab says: Jun 22, 2010 9:37 PM

    Brohamma says:
    June 22, 2010 5:27 PM
    @jj jones
    How long do you think that Weaver can go on sinking money into a no-win situation? Or better yet, put yourself in his spot and consider how long YOU would do it.
    And while you are at it, consider the paycheck Smith is getting. Now consider who is signing it. You think he wants to keep getting that?
    If Jax had drafted Tebow then the franchise would, most likely, have been “viable” for another two to three seasons in the eyes of the other owners due to increased ticket sales. Now, I’m not saying Tebow would’ve been an automatic increase of “W’s” for the team; but he certainly would’ve helped the finances… are you doubting that jj jones??
    ——————————–
    Funny – we always hear about how the majority of revenue comes from the TV deal which is split equally amongst all the teams.
    Not sure that there is any money-losing going on…maybe they aren’t making as much as other franchises…but they are in JAX.

  92. Brohamma says: Jun 23, 2010 8:02 AM

    @steely devil hab
    True about the TV deal, but have you ever seen all those tarps in the stadium? Covered, empty seats aren’t helping to fill the coffers any quicker.
    On that note.. cue the chorus of “we have a HUGE stadium, of course a portion of the seats are covered.”
    To that I say LMFAO! Go explain that to Weaver the next day he signs the checks and then asks you where your season tickets are located.
    Jags games “sellout” due to the opponent; hence, the Denver sellout. To funny!

  93. evilboy128 says: Jun 23, 2010 9:10 AM

    Brohamma says
    ‘Jags games “sellout” due to the opponent; hence, the Denver sellout. To funny!’
    Whats IS funny is how COMPLETELY wrong that statement is due to one FACT (ya know..the REAL thing….not the imagined thing…like your intelligence…the Broncos game IS NOT sold out.
    Idiot.

  94. imissmydeadspin says: Jun 23, 2010 3:49 PM

    You don’t want to see any team move to LA. It’s the most corrupt city in the country, and houses the biggest morons on the face of the earth.

  95. Brohamma says: Jun 23, 2010 4:40 PM

    @evilboy128
    Well, ok… they don’t sell the seats that the season ticket tarps hold. But you want to argue the fact that the Denver game will have the highest attendance and the least amount of tarps?? Do you??
    Ticket sales “climb” based on the Jags opponent… fact! The Denver game will have the highest attendance and what’s even more laughable is that will include the SEASON OPENER!!
    “SAVE THE WHALES!” lol

  96. MasterShake says: Jun 23, 2010 8:20 PM

    “Save the Whales” as Dolphins wash ashore on the beaches of Florida with oil all over them. Nice metaphore jackass. Yet we wonder why teams struggle to stay afloat.

  97. evilboy128 says: Jun 24, 2010 9:26 AM

    Brohamms says,
    “Well, ok… they don’t sell the seats that the season ticket tarps hold. But you want to argue the fact that the Denver game will have the highest attendance and the least amount of tarps?? Do you??”
    Yes I DO argue the fact that. The Colts game will have the highest attendence…always does.
    love that “well OK…” response there chump…
    FAIL!!!

  98. GoJags436 says: Jun 24, 2010 1:29 PM

    @ Brohamma: How can the Jags/Broncos game be sold out when single game tickets haven’t even gone on sale yet? If you can tell us how you think that game is sold out already, as you’ve stated, I’d love to hear it. Will that game be sold out? Yep. Has it happened yet as you claim? Nope. Maybe you ought to research things before you post. You won’t come off as an angry, ignorant ranter that way.

  99. msully67 says: Jun 25, 2010 3:19 PM

    Wow!!!! if I would have know this I sure would have purchased my season tickets….Why the hell would I want to watch them practice when I don’t even want to watch the idiots play….would like to get to the first game to see Tebow and Broncs kick their apathetic asses.

  100. AUBlitz says: Jun 25, 2010 9:11 PM

    I honestly don’t care if the Jags stay or go (49er fan in Jacksonville), but I would like to see them stay only for the friends and family that love them a lot. I think Ketchman was out of line for his article and this is premature. All it will do is cause the nation and the national media to say – AGAIN – “I told you Jacksonville wasn’t a good market.” It’s as good as any other market rebuilding a team from scratch after a piss poor GM ruined the team. Jags will do fine on ticket sales this year, and if you guys think Weaver will just up and move the team on a whim, you obviously don’t know this man. He has made a commitment to the town and doesn’t seem to give a rat’s ass what the other owners think. He’s invested in the city, not just the NFL. Yes, he could have a better deal somewhere else, and he might one day, but not now. As a 49er fan, I wish we had an owner that was as classy as this guy (although Jed York is a big step up from mom and dad in that department). All of these negaJax comments are old, tired and just mostly wrong.

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