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Hines Ward puts Big Ben in a big bind

In a Wednesday night appearance on NFL Network’s Total Access, Steelers receiver Hines Ward talked about quarterback Ben Roethlisberger’s offseason misadventures in Milledgeville, Georgia.

And it sounds like Ward wants Ben to talk about the situation himself.

“A lot of players really don’t know the situation, other than what we
hear in the news or the media,” Ward said.  “I think when he
addresses the whole team going into training camp, we can all put it
behind us and move forward.”

In other words, Ward expects Ben to address the whole team going into training camp.

It sounds good in theory, but it creates a potential legal problem for Roethlisberger.  Anything he says about the situation to his teammates can be used against him — either in the trial of any civil action filed by the alleged Georgia victim or in the trial of the pending civil action in Nevada filed last year by a woman who claims that Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her in 2008.

As to the former, we think it’s irrelevant, because we suspect that the alleged victim’s decision not to pursue criminal charges came after a settlement of her potential civil claims was negotiated. 

As to the latter, lawyer Calvin R.X. Dunlap has made it clear that he intends to delve into the Georgia incident, and in so doing he could start serving up subpoenas to everyone who was in the room when Roethlisberger talks about the situation.

It puts Ben in a tough spot.  If he goes into specifics, Dunlap potentially will have more ammunition.  If he stays too general, his teammates may conclude that he’s full of crap.

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  1. jahrasta311 says: Jun 23, 2010 11:02 PM

    LMAO, typical Flooryo missing the point completely, and trying to flex his legal expertise.
    If you were that good of a liar (errr, lawyer) you wouldn’t be running a football tabloid web site.

  2. BillsFan27 says: Jun 23, 2010 11:02 PM

    Hines put on a dress and bent over in front of him?

  3. Nymkosis says: Jun 23, 2010 11:03 PM

    Im sure it can be done privately without the media knowing. I mean couldnt the team have a closed door meeting without any media and just say afterward that it was just closed meeting about football? Or am I being too naive?

  4. Hovenaut says: Jun 23, 2010 11:06 PM

    Say it with a smile Hines.

  5. Bossman says: Jun 23, 2010 11:10 PM

    Hines Ward: Cheap-shot motherf***er….
    If ever a player deserved a serious injury….
    No worries, he will get his long overdue blown-out knee this coming season. I’m thinking Ed Reed or Keith Rivers puts the snake in the weeds.
    I will have it recorded and will watch it frequently.

  6. comment_submission_error says: Jun 23, 2010 11:17 PM

    It could be that other players are tired of the media asking them about the Big Idiot, and would like to have something from the Idiot’s own mouth they can parrot back to the media. I’m sure they already know he’s full of crap.

  7. Burning River says: Jun 23, 2010 11:19 PM

    Mike Florio opines…
    “…his teammates may conclude that he’s full of crap.”
    ——————–
    “May?”
    Yeah…they “may” also conclude that the sky is mostly blue…

  8. this class sucks says: Jun 23, 2010 11:29 PM

    Florio, you know perfectly well why this article is complete crap. I am sure you have a legal dictionary some where, and know why you are speculating on events that you know, by law, could not happen.
    Also, what do you think he is going to tell them, that he did it? I don’t think he would fabricate a story in front of his teammates.

  9. The ToddFather says: Jun 23, 2010 11:31 PM

    Hey Bossman……..
    your a mental midget….
    make sure you also tape the induction into the hall of fame
    watch frequently…..
    turd

  10. Brock Landers says: Jun 23, 2010 11:49 PM

    As to the former, we think it’s irrelevant, because we suspect that the alleged victim’s decision not to pursue criminal charges came after a settlement of her potential civil claims was negotiated.
    ———————————————————————-
    Or it could be that there will be no civil suit from DTF, because she bowed out due to the overwhelming media coverage that the case would bring. But this does not rebut her claim. (Typical advise from a lawyer to a client that falsely accused a high profile person of a serious crime. That way the client does not get in trouble for making false claims.)
    McNutty’s case holds about as much water as a coffee filter. Her own emails after the alleged incident, speak volumes about her. She has to pursue with the lawsuit though, because she racked up quite a medical bill when she was being treated for psychological problems stemming from a breakup with a fictitious solder that she was dating online, that just happened to be the wife of the man that she was having an affair with.

  11. DanRooney says: Jun 23, 2010 11:51 PM

    “Man the general public can’t realize Ben is the one responsible for me being able to reach 1000 yard seasons at the age of 31 and 32 by buying eons of time after the snap…avoiding tackles…running outside the pocket…If they figure out it takes me 10 seconds to run 40 yards and get open I’ll never make it into the Hall of Fame. I should voice my opinion and act like an ass so Ben gets no credit” -Hines Ward grinned.

  12. flake13 says: Jun 23, 2010 11:55 PM

    Or she might’ve decided not to pursue charges because she changed her story three friggin’ times and her lawyer advised her that no jury in the world would convict him.
    Florio, you are a trash-trolling scum-bag who will print anything to get a few hundred hits.

  13. AJD says: Jun 24, 2010 12:10 AM

    Uh, you idiot, he’s just going to apologize for being a distraction, not give details about what happened. Go back to lawyering, you have to be better at that than covering the NFL.

  14. TC says: Jun 24, 2010 12:11 AM

    Somebody needs to start seeing a shrink…
    I watched that show today. You would have to have some serious, deep seated envy, jealousy, spite and malice to ‘spin’ what Hines’ said and get those conclusions.
    I think therapy will be in your very near future, after ED sets in due to all the loathing. :)

  15. Bens Attorney says: Jun 24, 2010 12:36 AM

    As to the former, we think it’s irrelevant, because we suspect that the alleged victim’s decision not to pursue criminal charges came after a settlement of her potential civil claims was negotiated.
    And you know this to be fact that he paid her. So now I ask why would he? The reports , the video and audio statements in her own words can tell anyone that she was lying. She dropped it to keep from being charged with filing a false police report, Because in her own word she said ” I did not file a report , I only gave information to a complaint , but I did not sign anything or file an actual report” So why would she have said that . Because her lawyer advised her to say that, because then she couldnt be charged. And her parents wanted it to go away just as bad , I would say to save them embarrasement of the whole world finding out that thier little girl was lying and she was going to get caught up in it.
    And as far as Dunlap delving into what happened in GA , I hope he does because then she is either going to have to say she is lying or perjure herself. And I don’t think Bens legal team is to worried about Dunlap delving into anything or I think this case would have all of a sudden been dropped . And it hasn’t so I think they know they can win this one and the facts can come out about Miss DTF , I mean he does have the right to defend that accusation also, because the facts state that is all either one of them is an accusation that could and can not be proven to be fact and a whole lot of evidence saying that it didnt happen.
    But I do like Florio , how you havent written anything about Ben for sometime until you can spin it and make more out of something that what it is.

  16. this class sucks says: Jun 24, 2010 12:45 AM

    @Bossman
    You mad bro? I would hate Hines Ward too if he had spent a career humiliating my favorite defensive players. Hines is so awesome. Love the way he plays. It’s all there. The toughness, the ability to catch almost everything thrown at him, the lovable smile.
    To anyone that hates Hines Ward, wouldn’t you just love to have on your team? If you were a Browns fan wouldn’t you just love it if he laid out Ed Reed? And if you were a Ravens fan, wouldn’t you love to see him take out James Harrison? I think if he plays for about 3-5 more years, than he should make it in the HOF.

  17. Deb_is_a_Giant_Squawking_Bird says: Jun 24, 2010 12:49 AM

    Squawk!

  18. WhodeyTN says: Jun 24, 2010 12:55 AM

    Hey ToddFather, it cracks me up that you call someone a mental midget and yet don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”. Ha.
    Induction? We’ll all watch his incarceration. I used to know Ben in college and he is as slimy as everyone thinks he is, and then some. He’ll never learn.

  19. ItalianArmyGuy says: Jun 24, 2010 1:01 AM

    Why should Hines give a crap about Roethlisberger? Ward was Super Bowl MVP in 2005 when Roethlisberger was a nervous pile of crap in the game. Ward put up good numbers even when Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox were throwing to him. Hines Ward is a man, and he should not be the least bit afraid to put Ben in his place, publicly or in front of his teammates. He’s right up there with the greatest Steelers of all time – Joe Greene, Rocky Bleier, Jack Lambert, Jack Ham – Hall of Fame kind of balls and toughness – he doesn’t need to back down to anyone – even the Rooney’s. He’ll get his numbers this year with Byron Leftwich, Dennis Dixon, Charlie Batch – it doesn’t matter.

  20. Siggy00 says: Jun 24, 2010 1:52 AM

    Can someone ask Ward about his divorce and his bar owner partnership with a convicted drug dealer?
    Ward IMO is the “source” of all the alleged locker room hates Ben BS that’s been going on.
    Plenty of teammates defend Ben. For some reason this gossip site ignores it.

  21. rraider says: Jun 24, 2010 2:35 AM

    Ward suggest Ben address the team, not give a blow by blow account of the goings on that night……………………………………….2 completely different things.
    1) “i’m sorry i caused a distraction and am 100% committed to winning a championship.”
    or
    2) “So i grabbed her hair and push her down toward my…….and said start su…….or else…….”

  22. jahrasta311 says: Jun 24, 2010 2:37 AM

    # The ToddFather says: June 23, 2010 11:31 PM
    Hey Bossman……..
    your a mental midget….
    ———–
    Classic, someone calling someone else a mental midget when they don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”
    Nice work, The TardFather.

  23. Shaun Lowrie says: Jun 24, 2010 3:16 AM

    Maybe he just um… won’t go into specifics?

  24. golongboyee says: Jun 24, 2010 4:54 AM

    Nymkosis – no, you are being a dumbass…….

  25. golongboyee says: Jun 24, 2010 4:58 AM

    this class sucks – gee, please educate us all. AS always, you seem to think you know something when in reality, you pretty much know nothing.

  26. TryTheVeal says: Jun 24, 2010 5:21 AM

    “It puts Ben in a tough spot”?……hello, didn’t ben put himself in this tough spot?…..

  27. Raven Maniac says: Jun 24, 2010 5:29 AM

    im sorry toddfather, are you suggesting that Ward will be in the HOF? Because if you are that is sheer BS! They don’t just let any middle of the road, smiling like the joker, cheap shot, dirty WR into the HOF! If he gets in, then you may as well let Housh in, or hell, lets call up Roy Williams and tell him the HOF has a new open door policy!

  28. Otto Graham says: Jun 24, 2010 5:40 AM

    Big Ben ? He did that schit.

  29. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 24, 2010 5:49 AM

    Of course Ben paid her off, its evident as Heck. To everyone except Deb and the rest of the HOMERS in Steeler Nation. Its a fact tha FEW of the Steelers like Ben. He constantly puts his team in BAD situations and the players are tired of his bs and have ben (pun intended). I told Dumb Deb this in a ealier thread. Thanks for confirmation Hines. !

  30. ham1 says: Jun 24, 2010 6:03 AM

    Uh Ben is “full of crap” gets my vote.

  31. promichael says: Jun 24, 2010 6:12 AM

    Excellent point Mike. Big Ben has to concern himself with his legal liability. The legal liability does upstage the team.

  32. FAS says: Jun 24, 2010 6:22 AM

    So…the crybaby overrated cheap-shot artist wants the serial rapist to come clean…typical day at the most classless franchise in sports.

  33. Vaxman says: Jun 24, 2010 6:25 AM

    Whines! Ha ha… Whines Hard!! Ha ha ha! Oh, uh. Bossman… Ed reed really doesn’t hit people… So… Yeah maybe he’ll pick off a pass intended for hines ward? And then promptly fumble it after an outstanding 55 yd return. That’s Ed reeds MO.

  34. ampats says: Jun 24, 2010 6:25 AM

    Not to worry,
    Deb will be addressing the team at the start of training camp about all the facts that happened in the bathroom at the Midgeville,GA club.
    Brock Landers will also be on hand for any follow up questions.

  35. Florio-is-a-tool says: Jun 24, 2010 6:33 AM

    “The ToddFather says: June 23, 2010 11:31 PM
    Hey Bossman……..
    your a mental midget….”
    Who’s the mental midget, idiot? Here’s a sign, mental midgets use proper grammar when insulting people.

  36. stlsteelerfan says: Jun 24, 2010 6:55 AM

    All those who call Hines a cheap shot artist are just jealous that their team’s WRs are pansies who are afraid to block. Just because Hines is tough doesn’t mean he’s a cheap shot artist.
    DBs try to hit WRs hard all the time, why is it wrong for a WR to hit hard too on legal blocks?

  37. steelerfan9598 says: Jun 24, 2010 7:06 AM

    “then you may as well let Housh in”
    He’s short roughly 4000 yards and 40 touchdowns while playing most of his career with an (allegedly) Elite QB.
    Hines on the other hand spent his first 7 years with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox. On a team that once had Swann and Stallworth catching passes from Bradshaw – all Hall of Famers, he is the all time leader in EVERY statistical category. Yeah, he’s a Hall of Famer – deal with it.

  38. wryly1 says: Jun 24, 2010 7:10 AM

    Nymkosis –
    To asnwer your question, there are legal priveleges that protect communication between lawyer-client, husband-wife, doctor-patient and husband-wife, but not among employees or coworkers – nor is there any rule preventing discovery of statements made without media being present.

  39. DirtDawg55 says: Jun 24, 2010 7:17 AM

    If you don’t think Ward is going to the Hall of Fame, you don’t know much about football. Consistent producer, excellent numbers all-time, 2 rings, fierce hitter (oh, waa, he hurt my favorite player, waa – quit your crying) – a lot of the things the Hall is looking for.
    As for Ben addressing the team, Ward didn’t say “admit to any crimes you may have committed”, he said “address the team”. Florio, you are such a turd. The crap that flows from your keyboard is truly astonishing at times.
    And yeah, everyone knows Big Ben is a douche. Guess what? His team mates don’t care. Because he wins. Every team has it’s fair share of dirt bags, scumballs and weasels. The only time it matters is when you don’t win.

  40. JimmySmith says: Jun 24, 2010 7:23 AM

    Hines Ward has been cheap shotting for years, I’m glad to see he is spreading it to his own teammates

  41. Chapnasty2 says: Jun 24, 2010 7:29 AM

    @ thetoddfather
    Never will Whines be in the HOF. Keep dreamin.

  42. YOOPERBILL says: Jun 24, 2010 7:55 AM

    A real hooker would have to work many years on the street to earn what this woman earned for one night in a bathroom with Ben. how fortunate for her it was a rich guy that did the dirty deed.

  43. Mooch says: Jun 24, 2010 7:57 AM

    It is SO hard to get into the HOF as a WR.
    I do not think Ward has a shot based on the merits, but neither did Lynn Swann and he made it. So who knows.

  44. Foootball says: Jun 24, 2010 7:57 AM

    The Florio haters make me laugh. If you hate him so much, why do you read his site? Every time you do, the page view count goes up, and Florio makes more $$ from advertising. Keep reading his site, keep ripping him, and he is laughing all the way to the bank.
    Keep up the good work Florio. Keep on setting the bait that hooks all the Big Ben lovers and keeps them coming back. They look like idiots as they can’t help but continuing to read a website they hate.
    As for Big Ben, the guy is right who says teams have their share of scumbags, as long as they are a star and keep winning, it’s all good. Of course, if Ben was a backup, he would have been cut after the first rape allegation.
    Unfortunately for the Steelers, they are no longer viewed as a class organization. They can’t look down on the Bengals, Vikings, etc. If anything, they are worse, as rapists and woman-beaters (Harrison) are way worse than they typical DUI, pot-smoking, getting in fights type of minor crimes that inflict the Bengals and Vikings.
    Hines is right: teammates will consider him a rapist until he explains his side of the story to them.

  45. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 24, 2010 8:35 AM

    Ben has CONSTANTLY put this team and organization in TERRIBLE positions time after time. The players are TIRED of answering “Ben questions” for the third camp (motorcycle, McNulty rape allegation, now this Georgia crap). The Big Distraction is not worth the drama. For a guy who has only thrown for 20TD passes ONLY twice in his 6 years he sure gets elite coverage for a average QB. If Ben was on the Browns he would be Jake Plummer. Overated drama queen has never brought us back from a double digit deficit.
    LET EM HAVE IT HINES!

  46. Holeinone09 says: Jun 24, 2010 8:40 AM

    Another apparent slow day so PFT decides to stir the pot by using Ben’s name in a “story”. It only gives fuel to the haters, jokers and other morons.
    If anything, I am sure in the locker room Ben may openly apologize to the team for distractions he caused during the offseason. But other than that, I don’t see him having to talk about anything else since on the field he makes more plays than anyone else on the team except possibly Troy. His personal life caused some distractions, so he can address that. I agree that Ward didn’t suggest admitting to any crime, and the fact is Ben was not charged by the DA since the evidence was apparently lacking.
    I am damn sure that not 100% of the players on a team like each other. But they can work together to accomplish their goals and have respect for their football abilities. I don’t like everyone in my company. But I can work with them and respect their abilities.
    Let’s start the damn season already…

  47. overkil2 says: Jun 24, 2010 8:42 AM

    “The ToddFather says:
    June 23, 2010 11:31 PM
    Hey Bossman……..
    your a mental midget….
    make sure you also tape the induction into the hall of fame
    watch frequently…..
    turd

    HOF? Wtf are you smoking?
    He’s a good WR, but not a HOF one.

  48. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 24, 2010 8:57 AM

    Funny how woman says LT raped me the cops don’t investigate, they go right to the Hotel and arrest him. Girl says Ben raped me, they question Ben, let him go and investigate later. Why is the black guy arrested and the white guy sent free? This is the kind of crap that gives the minorities ammunition.

  49. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Jun 24, 2010 9:03 AM

    Obviously, I hate Hines Ward. I don’t want him on the Bengals. The biggest reason I don’t like Ward (besides seeing him as just an above average receiver) is because one year, every commentator in America decided they were going to talk about how much “Hines Ward loves football” after every single play.
    Yes, Steelers fans, he’s physical and a rare quality blocking receiver. But his peers, NFL players, have voted him the dirtiest player in the NFL. Not once folks, but twice.
    The only way I’ll ever like Ward, is if he hits someone so hard that he knocks himself out.
    Lastly, while Ward has surpassed both Swann and Stallworth in receiving statistics, he is by no means a lock for Canton. A few weeks ago there was debate about Isaac Bruce getting in.
    Isaac Bruce > Hines Ward.

  50. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Jun 24, 2010 9:06 AM

    Obviously, I hate Hines Ward. I don’t want him on the Bengals. The biggest reason I don’t like Ward (besides seeing him as just an above average receiver) is because one year, every commentator in America decided they were going to talk about how much “Hines Ward loves football” after every single play.
    Yes, Steelers fans, he’s physical and a rare quality blocking receiver. But his peers, NFL players, have voted him the dirtiest player in the NFL. Not once folks, but twice.
    The only way I’ll ever like Ward, is if he hits someone so hard that he knocks himself out.
    Lastly, while Ward has surpassed both Swann and Stallworth in receiving statistics, he is by no means a lock for Canton. A few weeks ago there was debate about Isaac Bruce getting in.
    Isaac Bruce > Hines Ward.

  51. DM says: Jun 24, 2010 9:11 AM

    The ToddFather says:
    June 23, 2010 11:31 PM
    Hey Bossman……..
    your a mental midget….
    *********************************
    Ironic, no?

  52. DM says: Jun 24, 2010 9:13 AM

    this class sucks says:
    June 23, 2010 11:29 PM
    Also, what do you think he is going to tell them, that he did it? I don’t think he would fabricate a story in front of his teammates.
    ***************************************
    Which is it? Truth or law?

  53. digitalbath says: Jun 24, 2010 9:17 AM

    these posts are only good for opposing fans to get on here and bash,but in respnse to an earlier post,as a ravens fan,i would ok ward to the HOF,dude does take alot of cheap shots,but inreturn,he plays the right way,and more players wish they could have his drive and will for the game

  54. Bdrunk says: Jun 24, 2010 9:20 AM

    I would really like to know what AllThat has to say about this topic.

  55. Chapnasty2 says: Jun 24, 2010 9:24 AM

    @ realisticsteelerfan
    You are absolutely correct on that one sir. I have never considered that but it was without a doubt worth pointing out. Also, I would like to give you credit from every Steeler hating individual on this website for being realistic. Its good to know it is possible.

  56. Bdrunk says: Jun 24, 2010 9:35 AM

    @hineswardcriesafterfumbling:
    “But his peers, NFL players, have voted him the dirtiest player in the NFL. Not once folks, but twice. ”
    ———————
    Keith Rivers: OWWWWWWWIE YOU BROKE MY JAW!!!
    *sniffle* I’ll show you Mr. Ward!
    *votes*

  57. KUHawks2010 says: Jun 24, 2010 9:44 AM

    RealisticSteelerfan says:
    June 24, 2010 8:57 AM
    Funny how woman says LT raped me the cops don’t investigate, they go right to the Hotel and arrest him. Girl says Ben raped me, they question Ben, let him go and investigate later. Why is the black guy arrested and the white guy sent free? This is the kind of crap that gives the minorities ammunition.
    You tell me Realistic Steelerfan, and why your at it tell me why OJ never got convicted of murder? Cause of the race card was played? That kind of crap is getting old to white people…

  58. rolli1967 says: Jun 24, 2010 9:48 AM

    tryagain says:
    June 23, 2010 5:43 PM
    “Ben’s no Princess Diana let’s put it that way.”
    ———————————————–
    Outlaw Jersey Whales says:
    June 23, 2010 5:58 PM
    This is very true.
    Roethlisberger is dead from the neck up.
    Diana Spencer is just plain dead.
    ———————————————–
    LMAO!!! Roethlisberger is “dead from the neck up.”
    Let’s see if I remember my “All in the Family” facts that was Archie Bunker’s definition for “THE MEATHEAD”
    Fits Worthlessburger perfectly!!!

  59. if yer not first... says: Jun 24, 2010 9:55 AM

    oh – you know, with all this Pig Ben talk the last few months I almost completely forgot how much of a turd Hines Ward is.
    Can’t beleive I’m actually taking the rapists side of this BUT…
    He don’t owe you dick, Ward (pun intended) – you can read all the sordid details online like everybody else.

  60. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Jun 24, 2010 10:07 AM

    @Bdrunk
    Have you ever heard anything from Rivers about the hit from Ward? Doesn’t call it a cheap shot, doesn’t talk about getting revenge.
    I know it’s a difficult thing for a steeler fan to do, but try to think. One Keith Rivers’ vote put Ward in that spot? I guess the poll only asked players on the Browns/Bengals/Ravens? I think the secondary got three votes apiece, and they used them all on Ward because they’re bitter.
    With Kevin Mawae all but out of football, Ward’s much more likely to be receiving his 3rd Dirtiest Player in the NFL award than a 3rd Lombardi.

  61. bigstorm says: Jun 24, 2010 10:15 AM

    @Hines cries…..
    Ya’ know, sometimes you read something that is just so stupid and wrong that you have to comment.
    Hines wasn’t an elite receiver?
    4 – Pro Bowls
    3 – 2nd Team All-Pro
    Super Bowl MVP
    4 straight 1,000 yard seasons
    Forget all the team records and hardware.
    You are STILL bitter about the hit on Keith “the pussy” Rivers. Get over it. Its a man’s game played by men. Poor old 5’11”, 210 lb. Hines Ward hurting all those big bad LBs…..waaaahhhh.
    Anyone that hates a team more than they like their own is sad.

  62. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Jun 24, 2010 10:35 AM

    Chad Ochocinco
    6- Pro Bowls
    2- 1st Team All-Pro
    1- 2nd Team All-Pro
    6 Straight 1,000 yard seasons (7 overall)
    I will amend my previous statement that Ward is just an above average receiver. He is a good receiver. He’s certainly not elite.
    Willie Parker should have been the SuperBowl MVP. His run in the second half sealed it for the Steelers.
    I’m not bitter about the hit on Rivers. I don’t think it was a cheap shot, and I don’t care if Rivers goes after him or not. And I certainly don’t hate the Steelers more than I like the Bengals.

  63. PeyTheMan says: Jun 24, 2010 10:44 AM

    jahrasta311 says:
    June 23, 2010 11:02 PM
    LMAO, typical Flooryo missing the point completely, and trying to flex his legal expertise.
    If you were that good of a liar (errr, lawyer) you wouldn’t be running a football tabloid web site.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    And how’s that website working out? Ya know, the one YOU COMMENT on….

  64. CJ SPILLER says: Jun 24, 2010 10:46 AM

    “A lot of players really don’t know the situation, other than what we hear in the news or the media,” Ward said. “I think when he has sex with the whole team going into training camp, he can put it in behind us and move forward.”

  65. Bdrunk says: Jun 24, 2010 10:50 AM

    hineswardcriesafterfumbling says:
    June 24, 2010 10:07 AM
    @Bdrunk
    Have you ever heard anything from Rivers about the hit from Ward? Doesn’t call it a cheap shot, doesn’t talk about getting revenge.
    I know it’s a difficult thing for a steeler fan to do, but try to think. One Keith Rivers’ vote put Ward in that spot? I guess the poll only asked players on the Browns/Bengals/Raven s? I think the secondary got three votes apiece, and they used them all on Ward because they’re bitter.
    With Kevin Mawae all but out of football, Ward’s much more likely to be receiving his 3rd Dirtiest Player in the NFL award than a 3rd Lombardi.
    ———————-
    I gotta be honest with you, my post was meant only as a wind up.
    I didn’t care when Rodney “Roids” Harrison topped that list at the peak of my Patriot Hatin’ days. I don’t care that Cincy’s own Roy Williams is on that same list. 33 of 296 players polled cast a vote for Hines Ward. If that’s your ammo for villifying a rival football player, then I guess that’s the way it will have to be. Still doesn’t mean anything.

  66. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 24, 2010 10:53 AM

    @KUHhawks
    OJ wasnt convicted because there was reasonable doubt and by the rules of our judicial system THAT is grounds for acquital. Let me give you a visual. Let’s say Joe Namath was on Trial for Murder and the lead Detective was Malcolm X whom found the bloody glove and other critical evidence. Now if you are the attorney wouldn’t you question Malcom X’s past as a racist? If there was PROOF that X had fabricated evidence in the past and or planted evidence, wouldn’t you bring this up to help your client? I think you would. IF you don’t believe that Mark Furhman was a racist and single handedly raised the most reasonable doubt then go to youtube and type in “The Fuhrman Tapes: Race and the LAPD”. Please listen to all of the admissions by Fuhrman himself and tell me you would trust ANY evidence he brought forth.

  67. Bdrunk says: Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM

    hineswardcriesafterfumbling says:
    June 24, 2010 10:35 AM
    Chad Ochocinco
    6- Pro Bowls
    2- 1st Team All-Pro
    1- 2nd Team All-Pro
    6 Straight 1,000 yard seasons (7 overall)
    I will amend my previous statement that Ward is just an above average receiver. He is a good receiver. He’s certainly not elite.
    —————————
    You can also note that Chad’s done all that in less years than Hines.
    I don’t think anyone’s denying Chad’s credentials, no need to argue his case. He can get in to the hall most likely on name recognition alone if that was a category. The numbers make him a candidate.
    It’s interesting though, that suddenly Chad’s numbers are now the litmus test between “above average” and “elite”.

  68. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 24, 2010 11:12 AM

    Yeah but Chad doesnt block, play special teams (Hines has in the past). Hines is the vocal leader of the Steelers who does all the little things. Hines has more intangibles than Ocho. Lastly, Hines caught 100 balls with KORDELL STEWART. That feat alone should make him Hall worthy

  69. Roethlisberger's Bitch Tits says: Jun 24, 2010 11:13 AM

    What a joke? Hines a hof reciever? He is a very solid reciever but the question you must ask yourself when comparing all great players is he elite? For the majority of his career, is he top 3 or 5 at his position? No…no…..never. He MIGHT have had a year or two in which he had very nice statistical years but he has never been a consistant top 5 reciever. Top ten, yeah, I’ll give you that but he was never elite. He is the type of player that does many things well but nothing out of this world, except block. It’s ashame they don’t have stats for that. However, most of those blocks are cancelled out due to the validity of those shots.

  70. AllThat says: Jun 24, 2010 11:16 AM

    Bdrunk: I’m here. Ward doesn’t get into the HOF.
    Neither will Ben.

  71. wyoff says: Jun 24, 2010 11:28 AM

    Hey everyone, did you hear? Al Gore sexually assaulted someone! A lady alleged it, so it must be true, right?

  72. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Jun 24, 2010 11:29 AM

    My point in referencing Chad’s stats was that by labeling Ward elite, it was an admission that Chad is elite as well.
    Chad may have been elite at one point, but with Larry Fitz, Andre Johnson, and the newer crop of wideouts, I can’t put him in that category.
    “33 of 296 players…” damn. I did not know that, and that does make me look pretty ridiculous.
    I will continue to cringe any time an announcer talks about Ward’s smile or the “love of the game”, but I won’t reference the players “voting” him the dirtiest player.

  73. wyoff says: Jun 24, 2010 11:32 AM

    Hey, Johan Santana just raped some lady! She alleged it, so it must be true!

  74. steve g says: Jun 24, 2010 11:38 AM

    He could just say, “this is my concern, and not yours. Go out and do what you are paid to do”.

  75. Macadamia says: Jun 24, 2010 11:39 AM

    So what we’re all really saying is that Soy Sauce does NOT taste good on a Rapist-burger?

  76. badthings says: Jun 24, 2010 11:42 AM

    # wyoff says: June 24, 2010 11:32 AM
    Hey, Johan Santana just raped some lady! She alleged it, so it must be true!
    ______________________________________
    Hey wyoff is a dumbass. I alleged it and it is true!

  77. sacdaddy says: Jun 24, 2010 11:46 AM

    Wow, what a joke of a team and a joke of a city… primanti’s sucks.
    CAW!

  78. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Jun 24, 2010 11:49 AM

    The only way Hines Ward gets into the hall of fame is if he a) Buys a ticket or b) Gets a job as a janitor.
    Hines Ward is 24th all time in receiving yards, behind such illustrious names as Derrick Mason (good player, don’t get me wrong, but certainly not a HOFer), and Keenan McCardell.
    He’s never led the league in ANYTHING. He’s only been in the top 10 in yards 3 times in his career. Same with TDs. The guy is a decent player who has played for a long time at about the same average/decent level, which is impressive that he never really got good, but also never really got bad…he’s always just sorta been there….but there’s no way he gets into the HOF.

  79. sacdaddy says: Jun 24, 2010 12:01 PM

    Wow, what a joke of a team and a joke of a city… primanti’s sucks.
    CAW!

  80. wyoff says: Jun 24, 2010 12:03 PM

    No substantive response, badthings?

  81. Bdrunk says: Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM

    hineswardcriesafterfumbling says:
    June 24, 2010 11:29 AM
    My point in referencing Chad’s stats was that by labeling Ward elite, it was an admission that Chad is elite as well.
    Chad may have been elite at one point, but with Larry Fitz, Andre Johnson, and the newer crop of wideouts, I can’t put him in that category.
    “33 of 296 players…” damn. I did not know that, and that does make me look pretty ridiculous.
    I will continue to cringe any time an announcer talks about Ward’s smile or the “love of the game”, but I won’t reference the players “voting” him the dirtiest player.
    —————————
    Ditto on the comentators, they run out of things to say. Last year against the Ravens most of the game was spent discussing the amazing story of Michael Oher, and oh btw did you hear they did a movie about him? With Sandra Bullock?
    Players like Fitz, Andre, Moss are certainly throwing the curve off kilter.

  82. Bdrunk says: Jun 24, 2010 12:19 PM

    wyoff says:
    June 24, 2010 12:03 PM
    No substantive response, badthings?
    ———————
    For the love of all that is holy PLEASE DO NOT feed the badtroll.

  83. Bdrunk says: Jun 24, 2010 12:21 PM

    AllThat says:
    June 24, 2010 11:16 AM
    Ward doesn’t get into the HOF.
    Neither will Ben.
    ————————-
    And there we have it. Thread closed, everyone drive safe, thanks for coming out.

  84. benjaminbreeg says: Jun 24, 2010 4:03 PM

    Ben’s a piece of crap and Hines knows it. The Steelers organization is worse than Ben for keeping the pile of dung on the team.

  85. RAVNATION says: Jun 24, 2010 4:11 PM

    What does Rapestburger and all Steeler Fans have in common? MENTAL RETARDATION!
    LOL! Pitt is the Scum of the Earth!

  86. funi says: Jun 24, 2010 5:20 PM

    Ben will tell the truth! I was at a bar, some drunk underage slut who gave the name DTF wanted my meat between her thighs, I say no so I Clinton sex her, she got pissed made up this story then dropped everything! I was not charged with anything. I will probably sue that slut, the bar and then expose her name!

  87. this class sucks says: Jun 24, 2010 6:10 PM

    Hines Ward is an above average receiver. He is an elite football player. John Clayton (who has a vote) thinks he can get in with a few more years of consistency.
    Remember stats are probably less than half of what gets you into the HOF. Ask any Vikings fan, it is hardly about stats (not arguing thats right, just that it is the case).
    I think the NFL HOF is stupid. Not the building its self, I have been there, it is very nice. But the system to get in is stupid. We are going to see a whole lot of WRs with the numbers to get in compared to current HOFers that shouldn’t. Conversely, we are going to see less and less defensive players get in. The league has changed so much that it is very tough to put up great, or dominate defensive numbers. And it has become very easy to put up better passing and catching numbers. It’s a stupid system.

  88. DM says: Jun 24, 2010 8:04 PM

    funi says:
    June 24, 2010 5:20 PM
    Ben will tell the truth! I was at a bar, some drunk underage slut who gave the name DTF wanted my meat between her thighs, I say no so I Clinton sex her, she got pissed made up this story then dropped everything! I was not charged with anything. I will probably sue that slut, the bar and then expose her name!
    ******************************
    He should record it so he can just play it back for all the other women who must have “asked for it”.

  89. DM says: Jun 24, 2010 8:26 PM

    wyoff says:
    June 24, 2010 11:28 AM
    Hey everyone, did you hear? Al Gore sexually assaulted someone! A lady alleged it, so it must be true, right?
    *******************************
    Talk to me when he’s been accused twice or three times.

  90. RebaT. says: Jun 24, 2010 10:04 PM

    Yeah, let Ben confide in the team. LOL One or two will throw him under the bus and back up over him!

  91. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 25, 2010 1:34 AM

    Randy Moss and Ward came into the league at the same time and they have both played in 186 NFL games, so it is an apt comparison. Moss has 31 more catches in his career than Ward at this point (926 vs. 895).
    The big difference is that Moss started 11 games as a rookie and caught 69 balls, while Ward didn’t start any games as a rookie since he started out as a special teamer, catching only 15 balls as a rookie. Since their rookie seasons, though, Ward has actually caught 23 more balls than Moss has.
    Terrell Owens has played 2 more seasons than Ward, and currently has 111 more catches. However, when T.O. had played 12 seasons (like Ward has) he had 882 catches, which is 13 less than Ward at that same point in their respective careers.
    Nah…he doesn’t stack up to guys like TO, and Moss. Ward has 2 Super Bowls on one team. T.O. and Moss have 0 Super Bowls on 7 teams.They are way more talented than Ward, but I’ll take a guy who is less gifted but manages squeeze every last ounce of ability that he has been given. Plus, he’s more than happy to lay out a defender than outweighs him by more than 50 lbs.
    Opposing defensive players vote him as dirty because they are hitters who do not like being hit. When a 6′ 205 lbs. guy knocks you the #*@% out, how do you justify it? “Oh…he’s a dirty player.” But he doesn’t spear people, or take out a defenseless players knees, or horsecollar someone, or anything like that. He just levels people without mercy. And the big fellas don’t like it, so they call him dirty.

  92. DM says: Jun 25, 2010 9:22 AM

    @RealisticSteelerfan
    You need to change your handle to “uselessstatsSteelerfan” or maybe “isniffsteelersbuttsSteelerfan”
    Number of catches? Really?
    Let’s see. Hines Wards average yards per catch trails both TO and Moss by about 20%.
    But since you brought up catches.
    Hines Ward has scored 79TDs
    TO has scored 147 TDs
    Moss has scored 149 TDs.
    Oh yes, as receivers they are all virtually identical.
    After all, what team would care about picking up yards or scoring touchdowns?
    You see in real football 3 receptions don’t give you an automatic first down.

  93. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 25, 2010 10:44 AM

    The fact is that Hines Ward is currently ranked 12th in NFL history in terms of receptions. If Hines catches at least 57 passes this year (appropriate…Hines…57), then he will move past Art Monk and Andre Reed and into the NFL All-Time Top 10 for receptions. And he did this in spite of spending half his career in a run dominated offense, relying upon guys like Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomczak, Kent Graham, and Tommy Maddox to throw him the ball. Some of Hines’ best years (95 catches for 1163 yards and 10 TD’s in 2003, 112 catches for 1329 yards and 12 TD’s in 2002, 94 catches for 1003 yards and 4 TD’s in 2001) came before Ben arrived. He has already caught more balls than Hall of Famers John Stallworth and Lynn Swann COMBINED (Hines has 895 catches; Stallworth [537] and Swann [336] have 873). Hines Ward is the man.

  94. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 25, 2010 11:24 AM

    @DM you should keep your name as DM and tell us what it really stands for (D*ck Muncher). I never said Hines was BETTER than Moss or T.O. they are differenct kinds of receivers. He is a possession receiver, you know like Wes Welker? Welker has more catches than Moss but who is better? DUUUUUUUUUH. When the Pats needed a TD vs the Giants Welker didnt get ONE glance from Brady. Same with Hines. Hines is a better blocker than both of them HANDS DOWN. Hines is tougher than both of them HANDS DOWN. His is a better teammate than both of them HANDS DOWN. If both of those guys played for Kordell, Maddox, Tomczak and Graham they would put up terrible numbers (see Moss’ stats with Kerry Collins). See T.O’s with Trent Edwards. Ben is a better QB than all of the Steeler Qb’s I mentioned and Hines had better years with the bums. How come Moss and TO didnt have better years with inferior Qbs? You better stick to Deb because YOU ARE NOT ON MY LEVEL.
    KEEP TESTING ME AND I WILL PROVE IT.

  95. badthings says: Jun 25, 2010 12:17 PM

    # RealisticSteelerfan says: June 25, 2010 11:24 AM
    @DM you should keep your name as DM and tell us what it really stands for (D*ck Muncher). I never said Hines was BETTER than Moss or T.O. they are differenct kinds of receivers. He is a possession receiver, you know like Wes Welker? Welker has more catches than Moss but who is better? DUUUUUUUUUH. When the Pats needed a TD vs the Giants Welker didnt get ONE glance from Brady. Same with Hines. Hines is a better blocker than both of them HANDS DOWN. Hines is tougher than both of them HANDS DOWN. His is a better teammate than both of them HANDS DOWN. If both of those guys played for Kordell, Maddox, Tomczak and Graham they would put up terrible numbers (see Moss’ stats with Kerry Collins). See T.O’s with Trent Edwards. Ben is a better QB than all of the Steeler Qb’s I mentioned and Hines had better years with the bums. How come Moss and TO didnt have better years with inferior Qbs? You better stick to Deb because YOU ARE NOT ON MY LEVEL.
    KEEP TESTING ME AND I WILL PROVE IT.
    ____________________________________
    Tough guy alert….Tough guy alert……watch out people you are “testing” him……..

  96. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 25, 2010 12:22 PM

    You can say that again………..

  97. DM says: Jun 25, 2010 2:02 PM

    @ RealisticSteelerfan says:
    June 25, 2010 11:24 AM
    I never said Hines was BETTER than Moss or T.O. they are differenct kinds of receivers.
    ******************************
    My bad, I misunderstood.
    Hines Ward is the kind of HOF receiver who doesn’t score touchdowns.
    Got it.

  98. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 25, 2010 5:29 PM

    He scores TD’s just not as many as Moss and Owens. Simple

  99. Deb says: Jun 25, 2010 5:30 PM

    @RealisticSteelerfan …
    Your level? You and DM proved your “level” when I didn’t hop-to after finishing work at 1 a.m. to spoon feed you links you could easily have found yourselves. DM was determined to deflect from his inability to answer a simple question … so he demanded I provide the links to the police reports. Like I said, you can find them on the Post-Gazette Web site. But because I wouldn’t provide THE LINK, he laughed that I made up my rape. And RealisticSteelerfan, who fantasizes he’s intellectually superior to other Steelers fans, wasn’t even smart enough to come up with something original. He just followed the leader with, “Yeah … LIAR.” How sad is that? You two are on a real manly level, all right. Saw pigs rutting on the same level last time I visited a petting zoo. The links are there now, boys.
    RealisticSteelerfan … guess I should be flattered that, even when I’m not on a thread, you’re desperate to convince people you’re smarter than I am. But your factually inaccurate, grammatically incorrect, misspelled, run-on sentences speak for themselves.
    Hi, Bunny Hop.

  100. jibfest says: Jun 26, 2010 1:14 PM

    Ben is less comfortable in a big bind than he is in a small stall.

  101. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 26, 2010 6:08 PM

    @Deb,
    Was that an attemp to insult my intelligence? You can talk grammatical errors, run on sentences HOWEVER, when it comes to fact finding and fact posting, I’m the leader of the pack.
    You are a poor desperate Ben fan LYING to the masses saying “you have a moral issue with those who lie on the innocent” or whatever bs you are selling. This just in, NOBODY IS BUYING THAT. You aren’t defending LT’s plight with the same vigor nor Underwoods. You say “of course I will have more passion where my own team in regarded” Oh really? IF THAT’S true then please provide PROOF of you defending Bettis the same way you are defending Ben. After all Bettis was “FALSELY” accused as well. YOU believe Ben is innocent. I on the other hand do not. HE IS GUILTY OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. You take the semantical route all day it will still lead you to wrong doing by Ben.
    I feel sorry for you actually. You are on these threads day in and day out trying to change the minds of people who you don’t even know. You are obsessed even. Do you know how you look? You look like a person who has ALL the time in the world on their hands to defend DUMB BEN. You got off of work at 1 A.M? SURE DEB, SURE YOU DID (WINK)
    You are so dellusional and attention starved that you intercepted a comment for DM (Not On My Level) and injected yourself into the dialogue ONCE AGAIN. It was CLEAR that I was talking to someone other than you but you have attention defecit (not the clinical meaning but the new meaning. Meaning when you don’t get any you say something to make sure you get it). Ben is a PEDOPHILE make no mistake about it. He may have gotten away with it but it is enablers like you who are his worst enemy. IF you think people are buying your ” I have researched every inch of information regarding the case” crap, you are AGAIN, dellusional. Do you think that very statement gives your posts merit? IT DOESN’T. Just shows how desperate you are. I don’t even believe you believe are of your jargon that you post. It’s just another way to get some attention in your MISERABLE life. You want desperately to get applauded for being smart but the reality is that you are about as sharp as a drawer full of spoons.
    By the way what is for dinner? Pork and Beans?
    YUM
    LOL

  102. Deb says: Jun 26, 2010 9:34 PM

    Wasn’t trying to insult your intelligence. Can’t insult what doesn’t exist.
    Not that it is ANY of your business, but …
    Jerome was accused in 2002. Spoke out at the time–not on PFT, which I discovered a year ago. I HAVE posted for Underwood and Michael Irvin on their false rape allegations, and for Tom Cable when reporters exhumed his 20-year-old domestic-abuse accusations.
    I’ve posted disappointment that LT is in this situation. But if you weren’t a mindless moron, you’d understand EACH of these cases is DISTINCT and I am not the crusader for every guy accused of rape.
    LT admittedly to soliciting a prostitute who turned out to be underage. That is his misfortune. If he engaged her in ANY sex act–and the used condom found at the scene suggests he did–under the law he is guilty. It’s very simple: Consent and ignorance of her age–even if he asked her age and she deliberately lied–are NOT legal defenses to THIS particular charge. So there is nothing I can say on this subject. No doubt that went over your empty head. Perhaps Florio can explain.
    I posted the DNA information in the Roethlisberger case on the other thread. That, too, will be over your sick and empty head. Use your monkey paws to click over if you want. I don’t care.
    I don’t care if you think I’m smart.
    I don’t care if anyone else thinks I’m smart.
    I don’t care if you think Roethlisberger is guilty; he doesn’t either.
    I don’t care if you think I luuuve Ben.
    I don’t care if you are a Steelers fan; every fan base has a pig or two.
    I don’t care if you die in your sleep tonight.
    And since you have no interest in me either, guess we’re done.

  103. bobzilla says: Jun 26, 2010 10:04 PM

    Realisticsteelersfan: Keep being realistic!! Homers make me sick!!! It’s good to know that I’m not the only one who stays sober during Steelers game.
    Deb: There’s no doubt that you are an intelligent person. You obviously enjoy the soap-opera eliment of pro football. But your knowledge related to pro football as a game is minimal, at best. You actually believe QBs win Super Bowls. ESPN should hire you.
    The difference between Hines Ward and Chad Johnson is this: Johnson has always been the Bengals’ No. 1 or No. 2 receiver. Hines, on the other hand, has always been a possession receiver.
    Possession receivers aren’t suppose to put up the kind of numbers that No. 1 or No. 2 receivers do, yet Ward is most certainly HOF bound.

  104. Deb says: Jun 27, 2010 12:03 AM

    bobzilla …
    PLEASE provide a link to ANY post where I’ve said quarterbacks win Super Bowls. One will do.
    You have NO idea what I believe or my depth of knowledge about the game. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn’t actually read that lunatic’s disturbed rants. He’s raving about pedophiles and other serious issues, without knowing or caring what the terms mean. He SOUGHT me out for his unprovoked misogynistic diatribes because he has some penile or intellectual insecurity that he’s fixated on me. It doesn’t have anything to do with football or homerism. He’s just a sick f*** with a woman problem.
    There are other Steelers fans who dislike Ben and think he’s guilty but aren’t insane. You might want to align yourself with them. If you did read that rambling manifesto and think UniSteeler is sober and playing with a full deck … maybe you need a drink. Obviously sobriety isn’t working for you.
    You’re tired of the Ben drama. Join the club. It hits a bit closer to home for me than you, dipstick–which is why I’ve posted on it so much. But I don’t read TMZ or People or any of the gossip so many men are spreading. I stick to police reports, witness statements, and studying how DNA is processed. So spare me the soap opera crap–and the homer baloney. If the evidence showed Ben guilty of rape, I’d slice him up and feed him to the dogs. I just happen to feel the same way about the lying little twits who accused him. I’m an equal opportunity researcher and dog-feeder.
    If you knew the first FREAKIN’ thing about my football philosophy, jackass, you’d know I’m old school and ALL about DEFENSE. And based on what you posted to me on the other thread, when it comes to depth of football knowledge, honey, you are WAAAY out of your league.

  105. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 27, 2010 9:24 AM

    @Bobzilla,
    Thx bro!
    GO STEELERS!!

  106. Deb says: Jun 27, 2010 2:37 PM

    @bobzilla …
    ROFL … Now you and the UniSteeler are blood brothers! How sweet! Maybe he’ll invite you to his cabin. (Be sure to take Depends. Don’t think he has toilet facilities.)

  107. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 27, 2010 7:33 PM

    LoL Deb you better than Florio for not posting my post LOL
    You said you defended Bettis in 02, thats easy to say but I told you to PROVE IT. I’m calling you a liar.
    Are you buttsore because I talk bad about Ben the RAPISTS oh my bad that is your semantical way of not admitting any wrong doing by THE BIG DISTRACTION. You continuously say “Ben didn’t rape her”. But did he SEXUALLY ASSAULT HER? Put your pom poms down and answer that. Ben is a screw up and HE WILL screw up again (Enter her lying comment “Oh I’ll be the 1st one to rip Ben a new one if there are any more transgressions” SHUT UP LIAR!). Ben will get released from the Steelers, get a job at the sperm bank and then get fired for DRINKING ON THE JOB!
    It must suck to have a EMPTY bed every night huh Deb? Yes, we are Diametrically Opposed but then again you are USED to men being Opposed to you.
    LOL

  108. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 27, 2010 7:37 PM

    What that rappers name with all the tatoos that got killed? Anyways, he was acquitted of Rape, Acquitted of Sodomy but found GUILTY of SEXUAL ASSAULT. That should have been the case with Ben and probably the reason Goodell came down on him so hard. Goodell doesn’t come down that hard on a guy whom he believes to be innocent. He comes down on those whom he believed got away with a crime.

  109. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jun 27, 2010 8:35 PM

    Tupac

  110. Deb says: Jun 28, 2010 12:15 AM

    @RSf
    Went back and read your football posts. Couldn’t get through the one to me because of all the bizarre baseless declarations about what I think and why … like the bizarre pedophilia declarations and bizarre assumptions about my sex life LOL
    But I did read the one to mgjnsc. You’re a knowledgeable fan. Why didn’t you just talk to me respectfully, one Steelers fan to another, about football instead of coming out of the gate with all this vicious crap about Ben the rapist and Deb the liar? Do you just get off on talking sh*t to women and other Steelers fans or what?
    This seems to have escaped you, but GEORGIA made the accusation. I’m not picking and choosing the accusation–and you can’t either. She didn’t accuse Ben of another form of assault. She INSISTS Ben did something the medical exam says didn’t happen. She said he did something that was physically impossible. You enjoy ridiculing my rape experience–hey, if that’s your thing, big man. But it’s real and so is my experience with other victims. Her story is missing elements victims don’t forget–even when they’re semi-conscious. And real crime victims don’t keep rewriting their story. I’d never betray the real victims I’ve known by defending a guilty man over something as trivial as football.. Someone like you could never understand that. And my life is what it is. I don’t have to prove anything to a vulgar, ranting, anonymous commenter on a Web site.
    Just because the evidence says Ben didn’t rape anyone doesn’t mean I think he’s a stand-up guy. I’ve posted many times that I think he’s a jackass. But I doubt even drunk that he’d say the kinds of thing to a woman–completely unprovoked–that you’ve posted to me. So your illusions of moral superiority to him are … interesting.
    No, Ben isn’t P. Manning, Brady, or Favre. I’ve never said that he is. He’s got the arm, mobility, instincts, on-field leadership qualities, and guts under pressure. But Brady and Manning believe in mastering fundamentals, studying and practicing until things become rote. I’d read that Ben had become more disciplined in studying film. Perhaps not. Clearly on some level, he believes the stars will simply align in his favor. He defiantly refuses to consider the need to modify his playing style. And he’s exhibited the same disturbing high-risk behavior on field that he’s shown off field. It’s thrilling when the stars align. But it’s disastrous when he takes unnecessary sacks or a reckless throw costs us a game. And it’s frustrating watching him fail to capitalize on his potential. If he would step up and develop the necessary discipline and the HUMILITY to learn from coaches instead of deciding his way is the only way, with a few other tweaks, the team could go to the next level.
    One of the MANY differences in our characters … well, if you actually had any character … is that I can objectively evaluate Ben’s performance, good and bad. If one of us is obsessed with the guy, it’s you. You’re so fixated you’ve decided without considering a speck of evidence that he’s evil incarnate, you blame him for every team loss and problem, and you’ve used your irrational hatred of a football player to excuse being vicious and abusive to people you don’t know who haven’t done anything except post something you didn’t like on a football blog.

  111. DM says: Jun 29, 2010 2:43 PM

    Surprise.
    A 10 page post and it’s DEB.
    Sorry Deb, the girl was drunk out of her mind.
    She might know something bad happened in the bathroom, she might think that = rape, but she was drunk out of her mind.
    Keep working the technicalities and keep making up the evidence.
    There was male DNA found in her underwear and her privates as well as the bathroom.
    Of course, you being the expert of all things Ben, can preach that it’s not ENOUGH DNA.
    Sure. Keep shoveling.

  112. DM says: Jun 29, 2010 10:02 PM

    @Deb
    “after finishing work at 1 a.m.”
    Martyr alert.

  113. DM says: Jun 29, 2010 10:11 PM

    @ RealisticSteelerfan says:
    June 25, 2010 5:29 PM
    He scores TD’s just not as many as Moss and Owens. Simple
    **********************************
    Oh I see, so it’s like comparing JaMarcus Russell to Payton Manning because they’ve both thrown touchdown passes, just not the exact same number.

  114. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 5, 2010 7:54 AM

    @ Deb,
    Ben is a rapist.
    FACT

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