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Vick's ban on associating with felons goes beyond six months

Earlier on Monday we posted an item on the beliefs of BET producer Ahmadu Gabra, whose Holiday Inn Express dabblings in the law caused him to conclude that Eagles quarterback Mike Vick was required to avoid his former partners in Bad Newz Kennels for only six months after being released from jail.

That was news to us, so we tracked down the official order containing the terms of Vick’s probation, which technically is known as “supervised release.”  At item 10 in the list of conditions of the supervision, the order states that Vick “shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity and shall not associate with any person convicted of a felony, unless granted permission by the probation officer to do so.”

Thus, unless his probation officer gave Vick blanket permission to associate with his former partners in Bad Newz Kennels, all of whom are convicted felons, any such association violates the terms of his probation.

And since Gabra apparently has been serving as an informal fixer/consigliere for Vick’s entourage, Vick possibly relied at some point after the six-month anniversary of his release on Gabra’s apparently mistaken views regarding the terms of the probation.

That’s why we’ve been saying that the shooting at Vick’s open-to-the-public birthday party operates like an IRS audit.  Once the feds and/or the NFL start poking around in connection with whether Vick was “associating” with convicted felon Quanis Phillips on the evening in question, they may trip over something else, such as Vick’s possible association with Phillips and/or other felons arising from the flawed reasoning of a television producer who may know just enough about the law to get Vick thrown back in jail.

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  1. Occam says: Jun 28, 2010 9:33 PM

    Sounds like Gabra knows just enough about the law to start a football blog.

  2. ItalianArmyGuy says: Jun 28, 2010 9:33 PM

    @Florio –
    … and we care because why????
    You didn’t have any Art Slichter or Ryan Leaf stories you could work on?

  3. Bigbluefan says: Jun 28, 2010 9:35 PM

    Say goodbye to Filthy and hello to the big house
    Bye Bye Vick the dick

  4. crunched says: Jun 28, 2010 9:37 PM

    It’s item 9 (not 10). Gotta brush up on that doc review, eh Mike?

  5. shaggeez says: Jun 28, 2010 9:37 PM

    haha i don’t know if it works like that, as i am not a lawyer, but that seems a little ridiculous for an open party. if any felon walks in the door then it can be argued that he was associating with one. oh well. maybe thats why the guy got shot.
    bunch of scumbags anyways. throw them all in jail

  6. geo1113 says: Jun 28, 2010 9:38 PM

    “And since Gabra apparently has been serving as an informal fixer/consigliere for Vick’s entourage, Vick possibly relied at some point after the six-month anniversary of his release on Gabra’s apparently mistaken views regarding the terms of the probation.”
    This is merely an assumption on your part to stir up BS. Enough. Vick has a lawyer named Lawrence Woodward. He has had this guy from before the dog trial.

  7. Jon Evans says: Jun 28, 2010 9:38 PM

    There is no lawful reason to do any type of inquiry. An incident happened outside a club. End of story. Vicks name can’t even show up on any legal document regarding it because it had nothing to do with him.
    That being said, he has a right to his location. Any other person on parole /felon that shows up is violating THEIR conditional releases, not his.
    if things worked that way as I have stated many times, someone could go around with their “felon” status with the only intent of getting someone thrown back in prison. Same as a restraining order. It doesn’t matter which party it is, if they show up to a location that the other is at, it’s their problem, not the person already at said residence.

  8. tdowdy11 says: Jun 28, 2010 9:39 PM

    Vick should have stayed in school and graduated. Then maybe he could have enough sense to read the legal documents himself instead of having someone read and give him wrong information. I would think if I spent a year in federal prison, and know that my career would be over if I violated my parole, I would be reading the fine print every day and making sure that I didn’t do anything stupid like this. But this just tells me that Vick is just plain stupid. He deserves to go back to jail just for being stupid. He may end up not having to go back, but that’s where he belongs.

  9. Rob_Rocker says: Jun 28, 2010 9:39 PM

    OOOppps, he pooped in his kennel

  10. ryan5541 says: Jun 28, 2010 9:40 PM

    if you guys complain about everything florio writes, then DONT READ IT

  11. numberfour says: Jun 28, 2010 9:41 PM

    ………………
    the wusse posse was right to wait. the facts were going to come out.
    and now they are.
    buh bye ookie

  12. tony325 says: Jun 28, 2010 9:42 PM

    Florio… how many poodles do you own?? Seriously… your grasping… Vick didn’t associate purposely with this guy & he showed up do to an invitation to the world by the club… I bet there will be no penalty for Vick… BOOK IT!

  13. VegasChris says: Jun 28, 2010 9:50 PM

    Ya have to ask yourself, who would you prefer to hang out with? Convicts or eagle fans?
    Probably easier to find an intelligent conversation in the joint!

  14. bbeer says: Jun 28, 2010 9:52 PM

    Occam says:
    June 28, 2010 9:33 PM
    Sounds like Gabra knows just enough about the law to start a football blog.
    =========
    Hahaha good call my friend. In other news, good bye Vick have a nice stay in the slammer.

  15. Crazimitch says: Jun 28, 2010 9:53 PM

    Florio, shouldn’t you be using your middle name like the ultra cool Michael David Smith? Don’t you know that’s how you get taken seriously? Get on that boss!

  16. Oakfan23 says: Jun 28, 2010 9:59 PM

    wow, it don’t say NOTHING about 6 months!! It just says STAY AWAY unless granted permission by P.O.

  17. Lakini says: Jun 28, 2010 9:59 PM

    Sounds like Ahmadumbass should have stayed in law school long enough to find out what practicing law without a license means.

  18. rjgreen3 says: Jun 28, 2010 10:00 PM

    hey florio,
    keep posting on vick and he gets violated; sooner or later he will get out and you just might end up like one of those pitbulls………… i’m just sayin

  19. Coach says: Jun 28, 2010 10:01 PM

    Is there any big surprise that Vick is in trouble again? Research shows that over 70% of people convicted of animal cruelty go on to commit more serious crimes (murder, robbery, rape) that require jail time. Kind of like those convicted of spousal abuse. If you do it once, you will do it again. If you can abuse an innocent or a “loved one” with no moral conscience, you are just an uncontrollable mess and belong behind closed walls where you can not hurt any innocent party again.
    I am just surprised that he stayed out of trouble this long. Once a dumbass always a dumbass. Sorry, I meant once a violent dumbass, always a violent dumbass.

  20. Jon Evans says: Jun 28, 2010 10:03 PM

    and again… for everyone trying to go on a witch hunt and attempting to know anything about “Law”. This is the only thing that will ever come up in any court… “____ was shot by ____ outside (the bar).” The End.
    They cannot go into any “parole” witch hunt because in no way is Vick involved regardless if he knows the victim. He still has “rights” regardless of what people think. You can’t just go searching into who he knows and what he has done because an incident happened outside of a club he was previously in.
    End of Story.

  21. CH³NO² says: Jun 28, 2010 10:04 PM

    Hahaha….he’s just “keeping it real” by relying on another hood rat to advise him.
    He’s a complete retard and a danger to the community. He really needs to go make some more license plates at Levinworth.
    If the Eagles pay this chump 5 mil this year they will become even dumber than the redskins……and that’s saying something!

  22. Cy says: Jun 28, 2010 10:04 PM

    What does associate mean?
    Also, if the terms of his probation requried him not to deal with certain kinds of people, what the blue hell is he having a public party for? Isn’t that alone boneheaded enough to deserve action? They don’t exactly check records at the entrence, a number of felons could have been at that party, all it takes is one to step forward and BAM Vick should be done. There is no way something THAT obvious could have slipped by his agent, lawyer and even close friends unless he is still the same douchebag he was killing dogs.
    This isn’t freakin rocket science. If the guy really got it he would be more careful. How can anyone defend this guy?
    Yes it is possible he is squeaky clean (because anything less would be grounds for banishment) but given EVERYTHING that has happened up until this point which is more likely? It is pretty unlikely that he was a nice guy who got caught up in dogfighting got targeted because he was a celebrity went to jail, learned the error of his ways, deserved the award for citizenship than decided “just once” to have a party (it was his big 30) with people who were also misunderstood (like Allen Iverson) and then suddenly, completely unexpectedly, one of the “bad influences” that led him down the “dark path” before, spontaneously without warning showed up to this “innocent, role model for children birthday party” fit for a man under a microscope and after “some confrontation” (surely due to Vick defending his honor and probably trying to convince his old friend to leave and give up his felon ways) tempers got heated; then suddenly from amongst this crowd of good honorable people nary one of them a felon a bullet spontaneously emerged heading straight for the person Vick would be interested in having disappear only after Vick had been gone for a lot longer than anyone could remember seeing him be gone. After all, all these trust-worthy good people had to have their judgment impaired and can’t be trusted anyways. Vick really is a good guy and just isn’t being given a break because he is a celebrity right? right??!!!
    Anyone who believes this please send me all your money as the world will end unless you send it NOW!

  23. bigrig says: Jun 28, 2010 10:06 PM

    Regardless if he goes back to the bighouse or not, he is once again embarrassing the NFL with his behavior [though I'm sure his thug life supporters blindly think this is no big deal.]
    No body is saying you have to live in a shell, but how about a nice dinner out with your wife or an evening of Chuckie Cheese with the kids?
    You keep hangin where the broads, blunts, and booze are flowin and it”ll be just a matter of time.
    Some dude will get in your face and it will be too late then.

  24. realitypolice says: Jun 28, 2010 10:06 PM

    You know that music they play when someone loses on a game show? bomp bomp ba dommmmm……..The contestant gets this look on their face like they just swallowed a frog and the host says “oh, I’m sooo sorry. You didn’t win the car. But you did win the patio furniture!”.
    I imagine that music in the background when Vick finds out that his ban on associating with convicted felons didn’t end after 6 months.
    Because I’ve got a strange feeling when Vick’s probation officer begins digging into the can of worms this incident opened, he is going to find a treasure trove of evidence that MV has been hanging around with these thugs all along.
    Oh………..I’m so sorry Mike- you didn’t win your 5 million for this year or any chance of ever being relevant in the NFL again. But you did beat the Packers at Lambeau in the playoffs!”
    And we some great parting gifts for you- lots of lawsuits over debts you’ll never be able to pay now, and maybe even another year or two in the pokey!

  25. FumbleNuts says: Jun 28, 2010 10:07 PM

    I STILL can’t believe they let that friggin’ turd back into the NFL.

  26. famucancer says: Jun 28, 2010 10:07 PM

    haters…Florio is just riling you up for fun. Dont be mad when Vick is right out there at training camp and you’re left wondering “huh?”

  27. tinopuno says: Jun 28, 2010 10:08 PM

    # Bigbluefan says: June 28, 2010 9:35 PM
    Say goodbye to Filthy and hello to the big house
    Bye Bye Vick the dick
    —————————————————————–
    Perhaps he’ll get a chance to bunk with Plaxico or that All-Time Giant legend, Lawrence Taylor. Or do they keep the guys who prefer children segregated from the general population.

  28. realitypolice says: Jun 28, 2010 10:12 PM

    Those crickets you hear chirping in the background are BlondBlueDevils, famucancer, birdmancomenth, and all of the other Vick Heads holding their breath hoping their boy wasn’t stupid enough to be hanging out with these thugs and felons all along, thinking it wasn’t violating his probation because some idiot BET producer told him he only had to wait 6 months.
    But even they know he probably was, and with the can of worms now blown permanently open, are slowly coming to the realization that his PO will eventually find the evidence.
    Jeff Garcia- keep your cell phone close by. I think you might be hearing from a large redheaded man in the South Eastern Pennsylvania area soon.

  29. billsfan1 says: Jun 28, 2010 10:13 PM

    hmmm looks like the eagles may need a backup after all

  30. Meat Tuperello says: Jun 28, 2010 10:17 PM

    By hook or by crook, that is where Vick belongs. In jail and out of the league. In fact, he should have never been reinstated or signed to start with much less the sugarcoating his uncle poindexter gave him in Virginia.

  31. Indyeagle says: Jun 28, 2010 10:20 PM

    According to Florio’s logic, if Vick runs into any convicted felons and/or his former business partner in Wal-Mart, he is in violation of his parole. Way to stir stuff up Florio.
    Should Vick have thrown a party? Uh, no, what an idiot.
    Is he in violation of his parole because someone showed up and Vick left as soon as he realized the guy was there? Uh, again, no!

  32. prophet of the light says: Jun 28, 2010 10:22 PM

    Can someone just kick him and Pacman out of the NFL finally?

  33. realitypolice says: Jun 28, 2010 10:29 PM

    Jon Evans says:
    June 28, 2010 10:03 PM
    and again… for everyone trying to go on a witch hunt and attempting to know anything about “Law”. This is the only thing that will ever come up in any court… “____ was shot by ____ outside (the bar).” The End.
    They cannot go into any “parole” witch hunt because in no way is Vick involved regardless if he knows the victim. He still has “rights” regardless of what people think. You can’t just go searching into who he knows and what he has done because an incident happened outside of a club he was previously in.
    End of Story.
    ================
    Actually, his probation officer can go “searching into who he knows and what he’s done” for any reason he wants, or no reason at all. For someone who majored in the “law system” in college like you claimed to have earlier today, you should understand this.
    You keep bringing up the rights of a normal citizen not to have his privacy invaded by the Police without probable cause. But as I and countless others have been trying to tell you all day, those rules don’t apply to PROBATION OFFICERS investigating the actions of the convicted felons under their control. They are typically given a great deal of leeway when it comes to this, and certainly this incident gives the PO more than enough cause to investigate whatever part of Vick’s life he so chooses.
    So you better hope your boy was a little smarter than he looks and didn’t base his decisions of who to hang out with or not on the advice of a legally challenged BET producer.

  34. jibfest says: Jun 28, 2010 10:29 PM

    Jon Evans says:
    June 28, 2010 10:03 PM
    and again… for everyone trying to go on a witch hunt and attempting to know anything about “Law”. This is the only thing that will ever come up in any court… “____ was shot by ____ outside (the bar).” The End.
    They cannot go into any “parole” witch hunt because in no way is Vick involved regardless if he knows the victim. He still has “rights” regardless of what people think. You can’t just go searching into who he knows and what he has done because an incident happened outside of a club he was previously in.
    End of Story.
    -@Jon Evans: Wrong, wrong, wrong. First of all Vick is a convicted felon. His associates involved in the ring are convicted felons. The feds have to investigate the shooting. If they find out Vick has been in contact or violated the terms of his parole, they can pursue it.
    You think just because he did his time he is free from the law? He is on probation and one of the things listed is not to be around those people. If the feds are looking into the case and find out information that could hurt Vick, then that is the reality of throwing an open party with your name on the ticket.
    This isn’t a witchhunt. Someone one was shot. That person shot was coincidentally one of Michael Vick’s co-defendants who ratted on him. You need a does of reality. BTW Im an Eagles fan and I was in favor of when they signed him.
    The man did his time, but he isn’t off the hook until he is off probation, son.

  35. MrONE50 says: Jun 28, 2010 10:34 PM

    Damn if this is true, then MV is the dumbest man alive.

  36. HarrisonHits says: Jun 28, 2010 10:35 PM

    ” He still has “rights” regardless of what people think. You can’t just go searching into who he knows and what he has done because an incident happened outside of a club he was previously in.”
    @Jon Evans,
    Every time you post trying to defend this piece of crap I LMFAO. You obviously don’t have a clue as to what you’re talking about. Let me enlighten you.
    Convicted felons lose several of their rights both federally and in most states if convicted at that level. This includes the right to bear arms and the right to vote though the latter not in every state.
    Furthermore, while a convicted felon is still on parole, the job of his parole officer is to do exactly what you think they have no right to do. They are specifically supposed to oversee what the felon is doing for work, where he is living and who and what sort of people he is in contact with, or engaging in things specifically forbidden by the parole order. Such as not having contact with past criminal associates, not consuming alcohol or drugs etc.
    Once probation is completed the felon will regain some of those rights such as the right to privacy. But in the meantime the parole officer and feds have every right to investigate Vick as relating to a shooting incident at an event he hosted.

  37. realitypolice says: Jun 28, 2010 10:52 PM

    Indyeagle says:
    June 28, 2010 10:20 PM
    According to Florio’s logic, if Vick runs into any convicted felons and/or his former business partner in Wal-Mart, he is in violation of his parole. Way to stir stuff up Florio.
    Should Vick have thrown a party? Uh, no, what an idiot.
    Is he in violation of his parole because someone showed up and Vick left as soon as he realized the guy was there? Uh, again, no!
    ============================
    If it turns out that this guy was the only convicted felon (other than Vick) at the party, Vick will most likely be cleared. But if you believe that the only two convicted felons at that party were Mike Vick and the guy who got shot, I have some ocean front property in Iowa I would like to sell you.
    Vick’s probation specifically forbids him from associating with felons without the permission of his PO. Believe it or not, if he was in Walmart talking to a convicted felon and his PO walked in, he would be in trouble.
    This lack of privacy or freedom of choice may offend your sensibilities, but it is one of the things convicted felons must learn to live with. Because, you see, they’re convicted felons.
    With the publicity this case will generate, the PO will have no choice to take a long hard look at who was at that party and who Vick has been hanging around with in general.
    And if it turns out that there were convicted felons on the guest list, like oh I don’t know- the guy carrying the piece around who followed Quanis Phillips out to the parking lot and shot him- Vick is definitely in jeopardy of being found in violation of the terms of his parole.
    I know all of you Vick Heads don’t want to hear that, but it’s true.

  38. SagNasty says: Jun 28, 2010 10:53 PM

    wow…….huge stretch to take the reported facts (in the worst possible light) and conclude that Vick “associated” with a known felon.
    I know it’s the dead season florio, but end the witch hunt now.

  39. padre29 says: Jun 28, 2010 11:01 PM

    Please, some people should STFU.
    “Associate” does not mean “run into at a party’ it means maintain a individual relationship with while in conjunction with doing something, if Vick was eating a Big Mac if a Convicted Felon walked into the Mcdonald’s that does not mean that Vick “associated’ with them.
    I’m not a Vick fan, I do think he pulled his time and should now receive the benefit of the doubt, his Probation Officer can and should investigate what he was doing that evening but the rest of the stuff is pure ignorance on parade.
    If Vick said “hello” to Jack Abramoff that is not “associating”..mo’s.

  40. BlondBlueDevils says: Jun 28, 2010 11:12 PM

    “As The BlueEyeDevils Turn” – The Tea Baggers Soap Opera.
    Patrick Kerney & Big Ben will forever be connected at the hips, one is a RAPIST and the other is a RAPIST organizer. Either way since they are both BlueEyeDevils, its okie dokie to rape white trash.
    Florio, you and your BlueEyeDevil lynch mob reminds me of Dick Cheney and the “WMD” theory – no matter how you spin it, there is no truth to the B.S. you are spilling.
    You screwed up by jumping the gun on the Vick incident and now that you now know how a jackass you were you can’t MAN UP and admit you were wrong. Instead you just want to spin the facts.
    That alone proves that attorneys & failed attorneys are just liars for hire, depending on what side of the story you are defending.
    At the end of the day, punters, kickers and hockey is the only positions available.
    HA HA HA

  41. Jon Evans says: Jun 28, 2010 11:16 PM

    i love how everyone continues to attack me, yet everything i said is how it will be and nothing will come of this. But you will still continue to try and attack something that isnt there.
    An altercation happened outside a club that Vick was not present at. has nothing to do with him, anything else is simply speculation.
    You can keep going on and on about his “rights” and being a felon all you want. It still comes down to the fact that he had nothing to do with this and thats how it will be. End of story.
    I could careless about what Vick does but I am a big supporter of facts and not speculation and witch hunts. You can sit here and connect the dots all you want, it will still come down to me being right and you being wrong… and then you will spew about how the legal system is retarded etc to try and save face. /boggle

  42. MrONE50 says: Jun 28, 2010 11:16 PM

    Maybe if Mike Vick hunted and killed birds, he would be OK… Maybe if Mike Vick Shot someone in the face instead of attended a party in which someone was shot in the leg, he would be OK…. Maybe if Mike Vike was Dick Chaney, he would be OK

  43. Jon Evans says: Jun 28, 2010 11:22 PM

    and again, i know what they do… however I don’t need to sit here and say anything else. Everything will turn out exactly as I stated it will. Spare me the rhetoric because you are saying things that i never said and skewing.
    These are facts. Vick had a birthday party and left when he was done having fun. An altercation happened at the establishment later between individuals not named Michael Vick. End of discussing.
    You can keep posting all you want, as I said above, you will just eat your words or go off ranting about how the Police arent doing their jobbb and he should be in a jail etc because of personal agendas… not anything Vick has done. /boggle

  44. Jon Evans says: Jun 28, 2010 11:26 PM

    ======”Associate” does not mean “run into at a party’ it means maintain a individual relationship with while in conjunction with doing something, if Vick was eating a Big Mac if a Convicted Felon walked into the Mcdonald’s that does not mean that Vick “associated’ with them.=====
    haha don’t try and explain :P That’s why I haven’t given any definitions. It’s better to watch them tell you how wrong you are when they have aboslutely no clue what they are talking about.

  45. Jon Evans says: Jun 28, 2010 11:27 PM

    =====Vick’s probation specifically forbids him from associating with felons without the permission of his PO. Believe it or not, if he was in Walmart talking to a convicted felon and his PO walked in, he would be in trouble. =====
    This statement proves you have aboslutely no idea what you are talking about. You just read “felon” and “can’t bear near a felon” and form your little conclusion. Sorry, it doesn’t work like that.

  46. pigsty says: Jun 28, 2010 11:35 PM

    Vick the absent, innocent partygoer who was completely uninvolved and unconnected to any circumstance which led to the shooting?
    Not quite.
    Daily Press (Hampton Roads) columnist David Squires provides more detail.
    Dog-fighting co-defendant Quanis Phillips did indeed smash birthday cash in the face of Michael Vick at a birthday bash early Friday morning at the Guadalajara night club in the Virginia Beach Town Center, according to someone who witnessed the incident.
    The tension unfolded in the VIP section of the club, near the front entrance, as the party was drawing to a close — after the group sang Happy Birthday to Vick, and Vick’s fiance’ Kijafa Frink began feeding him birthday cake.
    That’s when Phillips either tapped or slapped Frink’s hand, according to the witness, getting frosting on Vick’s face. It was unclear to this witness whether the cake smashing was done in jest. The amount of cake or icing that actually touched Vick was said to be minimal.
    But Vick did appear agitated and some words were exchanged.
    Vick and Frink left the club shortly afterward, as did Vick’s brother, Marcus Vick, who helped organize the party for Mike, who turned 30 on Saturday.
    Sources also confirmed that Vick personal manager C.J. Reamon left the party by the time Phillips left the club and began arguing with some people in the parking lot. So, [according to this witness,] about 5 to 10 minutes after Vick and his key associates left, one of the men arguing with Phillips pulled a gun and shot Phillips in the leg.
    Phillips was treated and released at a Virginia Beach hospital, but neither he nor witnesses are cooperating with police – although some locals say that “everyone” knows who shot Phillips.
    Well, I don’t know, and I’m not sure I want to know — since these folks are going around shooting people.

    [However,] it remains unclear to my sources how Phillips ended up in the VIP section of the party, although he apparently paid his money to [enter the non-VIP section] like other patrons. According to the terms of his probation, Vick and Phillips are not be socializing together.

  47. YP2K says: Jun 28, 2010 11:38 PM

    So, you believe that the producer was wrong about the six month thing; but you will take it as the gospel that Vick was there [when the dude was shot], when the producer prefaced it with “As far as I know from what it sounded like . . .” ?

  48. tonjack24 says: Jun 28, 2010 11:45 PM

    This is my first post on PFT. I have been a reader for a long time and really love the site. What I would like to know is why all the hate against Florio? If you don’t like the topic or topics then why click on them? You only ruin it for the rest of us. If you don’t have something useful to say then shut up and move on.

  49. Jon Evans says: Jun 28, 2010 11:53 PM

    My brothers couusins father in law was at the party and saw vick lose a bet on a dog fight inside the club! right on the bar!@ which led to the altercation. I can spew out non sense too.
    Anyway, people need to learn the associate in daily text and legal jargon are different. Also other things come into play. A felon coming up and saying Hello or anything is not “Associating”
    End of discussion

  50. pigsty says: Jun 28, 2010 11:54 PM

    2003 U.S. App. LEXIS 18924,*;75 Fed. Appx. 721
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. JANET LYNN HOSSACK, Defendant-Appellant.
    The district court concluded that Defendant had violated the terms of her supervised release. [*5] Because her own testimony indicated that she knew that she was not permitted to associate with felons but nevertheless attempted to contact Mr. Haddock after hearing that he had recently escaped from prison, the district court found it unnecessary to consider the testimony of the other witnesses.

  51. wxwax says: Jun 29, 2010 12:03 AM

    Yesterday I predicted you’d write five more stories on Vick.
    I sold you short. A day later and you’ve already met my quota.
    Careful you don’t cut your mouth when you gnaw this bone into splinters.

  52. MrHumble says: Jun 29, 2010 12:03 AM

    If Vick were to look in a mirror he would see that “stupid is as stupid does”………..the dilemma that Goodell has is if he doesn’t ban Vick this time, he provides Vick yet another chance to make an ass out of him and I don’t think he will take that chance.

  53. ICDogg says: Jun 29, 2010 12:28 AM

    You’re welcome.

  54. MrNatural says: Jun 29, 2010 12:44 AM

    “…a television producer who may know just enough about the law to get Vick thrown back in jail.”
    Vick’s university experience left him with little academic impact. He put himself on the road back to jail, not the ignorant producer.
    It does not take an attorney to interpret the clear language that makes up the conditions of supervision.
    The only people Vick associates with are from the edge and beyond.
    Now! Any news about Marvin Harrison?

  55. eagleheem says: Jun 29, 2010 10:56 AM

    It takes a certain kind of person to really not want to see somebody successful in life. I never seen a bunch of grown men openly and wishfully want to see something extremely negative happen to a person. How can you live with that much hate in your heart? Sorry I take that back there was such things as enslaving people and putting them in gas chambers. (Extremely hateful and cruel), but I digress. The fact that you Vick haters keep ruling out is you can show up uninvited to someones party(convicted felon or not) and get said person in trouble. There has to be something there called intent. You would basically have to say we know 100% that Mike invited him to this party. A PROBATION OFFICER IS GOING TO ALSO LOOK AT THE FACTS OF THE CASE FIRST!!! The facts of this case screams and unwanted guess showed up to a party and took a hot one in the ass because of it. I am sorry if you guys want Vick so bad and hate him so much, why don’t you take the extra effort and try to get him set up! These people that we watch on TV for entertainment are know different from me and you. They make mistakes. To Err is human to recover is Divine!
    I am gone!

  56. IrishDawg42 says: Jun 29, 2010 11:01 AM

    @Jon Evans
    Since you seem to know more about the law than most of the other posters on here, I have a serious question to ask you.
    If there is a public party thrown and it is in the name of Michael Vick, who is responsible for the guests that are permitted in?
    I understand that there are doormen and to pay the fee gets you into the public area of the party, but it has been stated that Phillips was in the “private VIP” area of the party and this requires more than merely a $20.00 cover charge. It entails permission to enter the door and by gaining permission, no matter who gives it, the onus would then fall on the person in charge of the party. If there are invitations sent out, the person whom the party is “associated” with would then have responsibility of overseeing an approved guest list. Anyone not on that guest list, would still be responsible unless they forced their way in to the private area.
    So by allowing Phillips into the private area, Vick is in fact confirming association with him.
    I guess that was way long winded, but I am not a lawyer and that is how I would interpret the association. I am asking if that is incorrect and why?

  57. stanjam says: Jun 29, 2010 11:11 AM

    Vick’s willingness to associate with his former felon buddies shows just how seriously he takes all of this. Throw the bum out of the NFL, and back into jail where he belongs!

  58. bonecity7 says: Jun 29, 2010 11:15 AM

    “Jon Evans says:
    June 28, 2010 11:53 PM
    My brothers couusins father in law was at the party and saw vick lose a bet on a dog fight inside the club! right on the bar!@ which led to the altercation. I can spew out non sense too.”
    Jon, You don’t give yourself enough credit…..you’ve been spewing non sense (sic) all along……you didn’t have to post the above…it’s overkill!!
    In your attempts to educate everyone, you come across as very limited in formal education.
    Lastly, you are speculating as to how posters with an opposing view to yours will respond when YOU are proven right…….imagine if you will, regardless of how infintesimal (sp?) the odds of you being wrong, that something DOES happen to Vick as a result of this episode….will you be man enough to eat the huge serving of crow you will have warranted, or will YOU be the lowlife you imply everyone else to be (and the lowlife that I believe you are), and blame others for Vick’s punishment?
    I hear Barnum and Bailey are looking for clowns….you should apply!!

  59. geo1113 says: Jun 29, 2010 11:26 AM

    IrishDawg42 , this is from the NY Post story.
    “A former dogfighting pal of Michael Vick was shot moments after crashing the NFL quarterback’s birthday bash and angrily flinging cake in his face, witnesses told The Post yesterday.
    Quanis Phillips, a co-defendant in Vick’s dogfighting case, flew into a rage when Vick and brother Marcus Vick told him early Friday to leave the 30th-birthday party at a Virginia Beach nightclub, witnesses said.”
    Your comment, “So by allowing Phillips into the private area, Vick is in fact confirming association with him” suggets that you assumed Vick allowed him into the are. Are you?

  60. IrishDawg42 says: Jun 29, 2010 12:12 PM

    @ geo1113
    I am trying to find the article that I read over the weekend. To paraphrase an unnamed witness in the article, they described an incident as taking place in the VIP area shortly before 2:00am. They sang happy birthday to Vick and then his fiancé started feeding Mike birthday cake, when Philips supposedly slapped at her hand throwing cake into Vick’s face. This led to words between the two and subsequently he and his brother told Philips to leave.
    The shooting incident occurred later, apparently after Vick had already left the party.
    As soon as I find the article, I will post the quote from it. I assumed most accounts went the same as the one I had already written about. According to that account Philips was in the VIP area and until the cake incident, was there with permission.

  61. eagleheem says: Jun 29, 2010 12:20 PM

    Phillips was told to leave because associating with him is a violation of Vick’s parole. “Michael didn’t react, I was surprised,” said a witness of the cake smashing. Marcus Vick did get “very agitated,” and Phillips was later shot in the leg outside the nightclub. Since Phillips was not an invited guest and Michael Vick had no role in the shooting, he should avoid NFL discipline.
    Source: New York Post
    I think a lot of you guys owe him an apology!

  62. poonhok says: Jun 29, 2010 12:38 PM

    BrownEyedDribble:
    Ah yes, your obama-slurping, mush-brain, Kool-Aid sipping party continues.
    With people as smart as you being allowed to vote, it’s no WONDER the country is as messed up as it is now.
    Your taste in Presidents is as wise and telling as your tasted in Quarterbacks….
    The future is bright, however, and with Vick certainly headed back to prison, statistics indicate there is a good chance that you (or one of your cousins) will get a chance to cozy up to your hero…

  63. geo1113 says: Jun 29, 2010 12:42 PM

    @IrishDawg42
    Thanks. Imagine that. There could be conflicting reports!

  64. Meat Tuperello says: Jun 29, 2010 12:44 PM

    He’s owed something, but it sure as hell isn’t an apology.

  65. IrishDawg42 says: Jun 29, 2010 12:45 PM

    My question still stands though, How did Phillips get into the VIP area where the party was being held without Vicks permission?
    I do not believe that a party with the celebrities involved would have a VIP area that allowed anyone from the public side in. Someone in charge of the party would have to give permission. If that permission was granted by someone in charge of the party, they were acting on behalf of Michael Vick since his name was on the invitation.
    I think we will see more come out of this than a headline that reads Vick cleared of all activity involved that night…but I could be wrong, that I will admit, I am merely stating my opinion.

  66. Mooch says: Jun 29, 2010 12:45 PM

    Eagleheem…
    How can you abide wasting a roster spot and $5M in salary on Vick? He makes Elton Brand look like a bargain!
    I am a Birds fan.

  67. IrishDawg42 says: Jun 29, 2010 12:50 PM

    From the DailyPress.com David Squires:
    “Dog-fighting co-defendant Quanis Phillips did indeed smash birthday cash in the face of Michael Vick at a birthday bash early Friday morning at the Guadalajara night club in the Virginia Beach Town Center, according to someone who witnessed the incident.
    The tension unfolded in the VIP section of the club, near the front entrance, as the party was drawing to a close — after the group sang Happy Birthday to Vick, and Vick’s fiance’ Kijafa Frink began feeding him birthday cake.
    That’s when Phillips either tapped or slapped Frink’s hand, according to the witness, getting frosting on Vick’s face. It was unclear to this witness whether the cake smashing was done in jest. The amount of cake or icing that actually touched Vick was said to be minimal.
    But Vick did appear agitated and some words were exchanged.
    Vick and Frink left the club shortly afterward, as did Vick’s brother, Marcus Vick, who helped organize the party for Mike, who turned 30 on Saturday.
    Sources also confirmed that Vick personal manager C.J. Reamon had left the party by the time Phillips left the club and began arguing with some people in the parking lot. So about 5 to 10 minutes after Vick and his key associates had left, one of the men arguing with Phillips pulled a gun and shot Phillips in the leg.”
    This

  68. poonhok says: Jun 29, 2010 1:06 PM

    The fact that someone felt “disrespected” enough to shoot another human being over a piece of cake tells you the sub-neanderthal intellect of the parties involved.

  69. geo1113 says: Jun 29, 2010 1:21 PM

    @IrishDawg
    I see where you are coming from. But what’s up with this writer. How does one get cake smashed in their face yet end up with a minimal amount on their face. If he smashed it in his face, their would be icing all over his face. Now, if he tried and missed then it would be minimal. (Yes, I am a stickler for precise wording.)
    It did make me laugh when I read one of the guys shot him in the leg. I guess he was willing to go to jail for aggravated assault but not manslaughter or murder.

  70. Mooch says: Jun 29, 2010 1:24 PM

    In fairness, the whole reason you have a posse is to have them shoot dudes that throw cake at you.
    Many posts did not post – I refuse to care about the legal issues, as there are likely none that’ll materialize. This is a business and PR decision related to a bit player with no talent. Cut him and get the cash back. No need to pay a man $156,000 per snap.

  71. The Hogster says: Jun 29, 2010 1:50 PM

    @poonhok – People are embarrassed by you.

  72. geo1113 says: Jun 29, 2010 1:55 PM

    “Many posts did not post – I refuse to care about the legal issues, as there are likely none that’ll materialize. This is a business and PR decision related to a bit player with no talent. Cut him and get the cash back. No need to pay a man $156,000 per snap.”
    A legitimate point of view, Mooch. I am just studying up on risk management. And assuming he didn’t break the conditions of parole or reinstatement to the NFL, the Eagles do have to consider risk/reward equation in deciding whether to have him on the team or not.

  73. Jon Evans says: Jun 29, 2010 4:41 PM

    If there is a public party thrown and it is in the name of Michael Vick, who is responsible for the guests that are permitted in?===========
    ====================
    It’s public, he has his own area. If you ever been in a club a “vip” area isnt much and aparently (not saying that I have personally been there) this place isnt some super club but more of a typical bar. Theres too much speculation involved to say he did anything. He was enjoying his birthday and someone that shouldnt be near him came around. You can tell them to leave whatever, even if he was invited.. you still have to show VICK went out of his way to invite him.. plus other stuff.
    He doesn’t have to run or sit there silent it just.. doesn’t work that way.
    An example of “association” is the court transcript that guy posted above (even tho he wanted to try and spin it as “simply talking” to a felon.) The woman on parole saw a man escaped from prison on the news. She then went the great lengths to contact people to get in touch with that person. He then was at her home in which he was arrested and sent back to prison. (I honestly don’t see how she didnt get charged with harboring but thats another story) and her parole was revoked.
    That is an example of “associating with a felon”. You can’t put up an iron wall and block your self from everything which is why it’s interpreted as going out of your way to contact a felon not just being near/talking to one.

  74. Jon Evans says: Jun 29, 2010 4:53 PM

    If Vick has his Parole revoked? sure I’ll be right back here posting on it. I then would petition to represent him and have it thrown out.. and then be right.. (again?) hrm haha
    Honestly there was nothing more he CAN do. If anything because (if the new news is correct but doesnt matter anyway because its all hearsay) he would be given a pass because he didnt react to an attack on hismelf and a woman and kept his cool and left his own birthday party. I would like to see any one sit back and keep their mouth shut and do nothing in that scenario. I sure wouldn’t have kept my cool like that. No one could say they would unless they are thinking in a little box on the internet and not actually putting reality and themselves in the situation.
    it was a public party in a bar.. if it was a private party at his home and the guy was invited… thats a different story. The fact is that it was a public domain that was not owned by Vick. it has its own security for issues… and his Bday was more for it’s way of publicity.
    Theres nothing here… and any “news” that comes out about anything is just media influenced hearsay anyway. The only facts there are that could even be used in a PAROLE or CRIMINAL hearing are a guy was shot outside an establishment. Vick was not there.
    Also for everyone who says the parole officer can just go “OOPS, YOU LOST YOUR PAROLE, BACK TO PRISON.” No, there has to be a court hearing in front of the board of pardons and parole with evidence and tons of other stuff to prove he was guilty of associating.
    So in the end, i will be 99.9% right about all of this. That .1% of uncertainty is because I wasn’t personally there and everything I know is reported.

  75. weezilgirl says: Jul 1, 2010 1:24 AM

    I cannot imagine someone coming here and saying that he will be 99.9% right about this……..you’re nuts, sir.
    I bet a friend $100 that Vick would get in trouble by June, 2010……..I won.
    Vick lets his ego make decisions for him. He still thinks he is a star. He is not a star. He should not have been admitted back into the NFL.
    Personally, I hope he has violated his parole and gets sent right back to lockup. To abuse and torture animals generally means that you will continue to abuse but your targets will change to people.
    I taught in a prison and most of the offenders who were in for assaults, domestic violence, etc. told me that they did, indeed, abuse and torture kittens and other animals when they were young.
    None of this news about the club, his brother, his cohort in crime surprises me.

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