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Police close Quanis Phillips shooting case with no charges filed

As it turns out, Quanis Phillips will take a bullet and not complain.

Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer reports that police in Virginia Beach have closed the case arising from the shooting at the conclusion of Mike Vick’s 30th birthday party on the morning of June 25 — and that no charges will be filed.

The problem is that, even though the police know who fired the shots, they can’t proceed.

“Investigators were able to determine the identity of the shooter,” Virginia Beach police said in a statement.  “Unfortunately because of the lack of cooperation from the victim,
coupled with the reluctance of witnesses, the Commonwealth Attorney’s
Office, upon reviewing all of the evidence, has determined that no
charges will be filed in this case at this time.  Because the suspect
will not be charged, his identity cannot be released by police.  There
are no other suspects in this case, including Michael Vick.”

We think that Virginia Beach police are being more than a little charitable here.  By not prosecuting the shooter, it becomes impossible to explore whether Vick (or anyone else) engaged in a Pacman-style instigation of the shooting.  Also, by not even naming the shooter, it’s now harder for the media to do that which the police won’t do.

Meanwhile, Phillips’ decision not to pursue the matter makes plenty of sense, for a variety of reasons.  For starters, he’s on federal probation himself, and he can’t be associating with convicted felons, like Vick. 

Then there’s the whole “snitches get stitches” dynamic.

Or, as in Phillips case, snitches get more stitches. 

Or, as in the case of the guy who claimed that Marvin Harrison shot him in Philly, snitches get coffins.  Allegedly.

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  1. nfcbeast says: Jul 6, 2010 4:24 PM

    SNITCHES GET STITCHES…..

  2. Hugh says: Jul 6, 2010 4:25 PM

    So, the Virgina Beach Police pulled a Poindexter.
    Who saw that coming?

  3. Jon Evans says: Jul 6, 2010 4:26 PM

    Damn I’m good. Nothing came of it.. haha
    100% right as always.

  4. The Hogster says: Jul 6, 2010 4:27 PM

    Of course not – the police are hedging their bets that the gunman picks another black person to shoot next time.
    You know the cops don’t care about that stuff now. Not unless he’s rich and/or famous….the shooter that is.
    File this one in the Police Don’t Give A $hit Since No Career Can Be Made Off of A Non-Celebrity & White People Are Probably Safe.
    Nice job boys’!!

  5. NagaSwan says: Jul 6, 2010 4:28 PM

    So if Phillips had died, would the police not be able to pursue charges because the victim could not cooperate?

  6. nfcbeast says: Jul 6, 2010 4:28 PM

    Wait a minute, isnt it illegal to fire a gun in a neighborhood/city/town/anywhere within businesses or homes?!
    How can they not charge the guy for using a firearm and endangering people? WTF? Why not charge him for that?…What the hell is going on here……

  7. packerfanfornot4life says: Jul 6, 2010 4:28 PM

    COULDN’T THEY GET IT FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE?

  8. Stillerz says: Jul 6, 2010 4:30 PM

    Ray Lewis could learn a thing or two from this guy…

  9. roofles says: Jul 6, 2010 4:31 PM

    media needs a leak from the police. if the price is right, they’ll get it. this whole “snitches get stitches” really hurts the poorer communities.

  10. tom coughlin's coat holder says: Jul 6, 2010 4:32 PM

    if it can be proved that phillip’s knew the shooter,then why can’t he be charged with obstruction of justice and consequentky charged with a parole violation?

  11. ShaKey says: Jul 6, 2010 4:32 PM

    VA is such a backwards state. I’m sure if there were Sailors and/or Marines involved and not the bad newz gang, they’d prosecute w/o giving a damn about what the victim chooses. Should rename it “Thugland”.

  12. Stillerz says: Jul 6, 2010 4:34 PM

    And like Big Ben, although there were no charges filed he is still guilty, right Eagles fans??
    We wouldnt want a double standard here because of the city he plays for…

  13. SomeFans says: Jul 6, 2010 4:36 PM

    “Unfortunately because of the lack of cooperation from the victim, coupled with the reluctance of witnesses”————————————–WTF kind of cover up is this? Guilt by association.

  14. birdmancometh says: Jul 6, 2010 4:36 PM

    So I guess we all just agree to disagree and move on?

  15. ADogDC says: Jul 6, 2010 4:36 PM

    Florio throwing in his rascist 2 cents in………If the shooter does not want to cooperate, they do not have to….Can’t people use their rights w/o you having to lump everyone in one fell swoop???
    Just because you (and your BFF Whit(e)lock) don’t fully understand the Black Culture of us innercity beings because you grew up with no streetlights and no police abuse, doesn’t mean you have to lump every situation as the same.
    No one has even connected the shooting to Vick. HE WASNT THERE. He has shown regret for the situation already. He is now hosting 10am events intead of 2 am events. But you still can’t let it go. You must still make him into what he is not.
    And people aren’t angry because it’s Vick, it’s because of the tone you and all radioheads use. These cases are not just Black and White. There are no absolutes. Each story is individual, regardless of how simialar to seem in your eyes…(Just more Black on Black crime, page 12)…

  16. klungemonger says: Jul 6, 2010 4:36 PM

    ” it’s now harder for the media to do that which the police won’t do.”
    ———————————————-
    Do you mean beat this stupid incident into the ground over and over again? Sure, it’s hard, but you guys always seem to manage…

  17. flavordave says: Jul 6, 2010 4:37 PM

    Sounds more like it was Marcus since it was a white Escalade and thats what he drives.

  18. ZombieRevolution says: Jul 6, 2010 4:38 PM

    “By not prosecuting the shooter, it becomes impossible to explore whether Vick (or anyone else) engaged in a Pacman-style instigation of the shooting.”
    PFT just lost weeks of potential stories, but Florio can still whine…

  19. penguininbondage says: Jul 6, 2010 4:39 PM

    Freakin disgrace. No wonder these knuckleheads lost the war.
    And Stillerz. yes he is scum and guilty of at least universal stupidity. JUST LIKE BEN!

  20. Flaccodelic says: Jul 6, 2010 4:42 PM

    Stillerz says: July 6, 2010 4:34 PM
    And like Big Ben, although there were no charges filed he is still guilty, right Eagles fans??

    Yes, Stillerz, this is the perfect opportunity to remind us all how unfairly that great guy Ben Roethlisberger has been treated. Very similar situations, top to bottom. (rolls eyes)

  21. birdmancometh says: Jul 6, 2010 4:46 PM

    Alright Stillerz, i’ll bite –
    Are you saying that it WAS NOT Ben that had sex with that girl in a scummy bathroom? Because unlike this case, he has been identified as the guy that, you know, had sex with a young girl in a scummy bathroom at a club.
    Forced or not forced, who knows, but he was clearly guilty of at least that…

  22. Citizen Strange says: Jul 6, 2010 4:47 PM

    Barney Fife nips it in the bud!
    Gotta love the cops. When it comes to sleeze and corruption they are second only to Catholic priests.

  23. Meat Tuperello says: Jul 6, 2010 4:48 PM

    Mike Vick receives a gift from a Virginia DA/Police.
    Who knew there would be a sequel?

  24. The Hogster says: Jul 6, 2010 4:49 PM

    Great post, Florio!! Now you’re doing something valuable, teaching folks about “justice.” See there caucasians and other diversity-challenged people?
    Take notes. Since this was a “high-profile” case you saw that the justice system doesn’t always work the same way it does in suburbia.
    You heard right. The police KNOW who this shooter is, KNOW he has a GUN, and KNOW the odds are he will SHOOT somebody again. But, they sent him back out there into the neighborhood hoping that next time he doesn’t miss.
    Dogfighting = 2 years in prison. Attempted Murder = try again ‘boy.
    LOL – sooner or later you guys will get it. Just remain lucky that you’re entitled to better protection. Not all of the people down there are soul-less criminals. But, all of them now have to hope this guy doesn’t shoot them next. Ah, lady justice.
    ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS HANGING VICK – I’m sure none of you care that a potential MURDERER is let go because the “victim didn’t want to cooperate.” LOL – since when did that stop a MURDER prosecution.

  25. Jon Evans says: Jul 6, 2010 4:50 PM

    And like Big Ben, although there were no charges filed he is still guilty, right Eagles fans??
    We wouldnt want a double standard here because of the city he plays for…
    ==================
    Difference.
    What he did was well-documented. He admitted to being there with her and preforming a sexual act etc.
    Vick had nothing to do with this at all.
    Way to try and spin things… people simply need a little dose of reality I think.

  26. aaronp says: Jul 6, 2010 4:50 PM

    I can see Florio thinking after he wrote the last sentence, “I’m close to the point of defamation, so I better put allegedly right after this” Then hearing the dun dun from the law and order song…

  27. technoboy says: Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM

    This just seems wrong.

  28. StupidRednecks says: Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM

    Florio and your dog kissing lynch mob – I have 3 words for you…………………
    HA, HA & HA :)
    The law has spoken – if it don’t fit, can’t commit.
    ha :)
    Sorry dudes an dudettes…………………
    Mike Vick is a badddddddddddddddddddd man!

  29. Ocho says: Jul 6, 2010 4:55 PM

    Come on Florio…put 2 & 2 together. Phillips has his own brand of justice in mind. Therefore his lips are sealed. The sad truth is that there are gonna be several more shootings in that area that are all going to stem from this.

  30. DcNinerFan says: Jul 6, 2010 4:57 PM

    The Hogster and ADogDC – Alright Libtards, keep playing the race cards, people are already sick of it. Its getting so old its grown mold. Why not find a different way to explain welfare, crime, and work statistics OTHER than racism. You can’t, can you, because you won’t look at the facts.

  31. StupidRednecks says: Jul 6, 2010 4:57 PM

    Now that the b.s. is over, the next order of business:
    Start training camp and start the season as th starter.
    Kolb’s best chance of starting was Vick being busted.
    OOPS – Sorry Kevin but you will be holding the clip board for another season :)

  32. Calgaryhawk says: Jul 6, 2010 5:07 PM

    Just because the Police are no longer involved doesn’t mean there won’t be some involvement from the NFL front office.
    Not saying there will be, mind you. But this whole affair has brought the NFL into a bad light.
    We have already learned that you don’t have to be charged to have the NFL put a suspension on you.
    This very well may be the end of it, but it may not.
    I won’t go as far as Jon Evans to say Mr. Vick won’t be seeing any consequences. Mr. Goodell has not had the last word.

  33. Raiders757 says: Jul 6, 2010 5:13 PM

    With the way things work in the Hampton Roads black community, we’ll know who the shooter is in due time. He’ll turn up shot himself within the next few weeks. The thing is, it probably won’t make national news unless it’s Marcus Vick, so only those of us who live in the area will know.

  34. Joe says: Jul 6, 2010 5:22 PM

    fishing for a cover up story…lol
    Ben’s incident SCREAMED cover up….why not research that further…or as you say “do what the cops wont…”

  35. ADogDC says: Jul 6, 2010 5:24 PM

    DcNinerFan says:
    July 6, 2010 4:57 PM
    The Hogster and ADogDC – Alright Libtards, keep playing the race cards, people are already sick of it. Its getting so old its grown mold. Why not find a different way to explain welfare, crime, and work statistics OTHER than racism. You can’t, can you, because you won’t look at the facts.
    =================================
    I’m not the one playing the race card…I’m calling out those who do…It’s Florio and 85% of his poster boy followers in the comment section…After reading these comments over the past year and a half, I have become so outraged at you racsist that I began to help fill in for the silent majority that isn’t up here….
    All you guys up here do is hope we stay in the Ghetto and think everyone is a Thug. I’m here to say I’m from the hood and I refuse you to lump me or any others. Every situation is different and the internet has created a new breed of gangsters. Internet Gangsters are just as bad as gangsters from the hood and white wannabe gangstas from surburbia. They all kill and bring down moral values of the neighborhood. Yes including PFT Internet gangstas.
    And I am conservative. I am against abortion. I am against Affirmative Action. And I’m against Big Government. I’m against more stimulus packages. But continue to box me in…….So I can continue to break the ceilings people place on me…..

  36. Chop Block Murphy says: Jul 6, 2010 5:30 PM

    “Kolb’s best chance of starting was Vick being busted.”
    Or Kolb’s best chance of starting was when Andy Reid named him the starter. Either way…

  37. Sociofan says: Jul 6, 2010 5:30 PM

    Lovely.
    This speaks volumes about the crowd with whom Vick WAS associating that night. That they close ranks when one shoots their own!
    If I’m Roger Goodell, I think I’m even more inclined now to find a way to send Michael Vick packing. His presence in the league has become laughable and not in a good way.
    Oh, and ShaKey…not everyone in Virginia is backward. To say that is like saying…ohhhhh, that every Sailor and Marine is a drunken whoremonger with more STDs than a 50 year old porn star. It just isn’t true, now is it?

  38. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 6, 2010 5:36 PM

    Now all you HOMER Steeler brethren of mine can SEE what I have been saying for 4 months. Do you see what happens to a prosecutors case when the accuser doesn’t cooperate? THEY HAVE NO CASE!!
    As I have said ALL ALONG, Ben Roethlisberger was NOT charged for the same reason this shooter isnt being charged- BECAUSE THE VICTIM WONT COOPERATE. It has nothing to do with Bens INNOCENCE. Had that girl agreed to go through with the case BEN WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED. Since she wouldn’t (Ben payoff) the Prosecutor had no case. Same scenario in this case. Yes, I’m a Steeler fan but a unbiased one. I don’t back the rapist and can’t wait till this DUMB Sex Offender is off of my GREAT TEAM.

  39. Stillerz says: Jul 6, 2010 5:40 PM

    Jon Evans says:
    “Vick had nothing to do with this at all”
    HAHAHA I really hope you were joking. The video camera caught him leaving the club just minutes before the shooting of his worst enemy, contrary to his lawyers account which had him leaving half an hour earlier.
    If you seriously believe Mike Vick had “nothing to do with this at all” you are very ignorant and need to take off the blinders right now.
    I wasnt insinuating that Ben had nothing to do with the girl in Georgia, but he was immediatly crucified even after it came out that no charges would be filed. I just wanted the hypocritical fans to respond with something like “Vick had nothing to do with this” which proves my point exactly. Thank you for doing that.
    Identical situations, but Ben is guilty and Vick is not right? And you people cry racial profiling??

  40. Jon Evans says: Jul 6, 2010 5:42 PM

    “I won’t go as far as Jon Evans to say Mr. Vick won’t be seeing any consequences. Mr. Goodell has not had the last word. ”
    =====
    No No No, don’t allow there to be wiggle room. besides, it’s better with a solid observation.. it causes millions of tools to flip out.

  41. The Hogster says: Jul 6, 2010 5:43 PM

    DcNinerFan says:
    July 6, 2010 4:57 PM
    The Hogster and ADogDC – Alright Libtards, keep playing the race cards, people are already sick of it. Its getting so old its grown mold. Why not find a different way to explain welfare, crime, and work statistics OTHER than racism. You can’t, can you, because you won’t look at the facts.
    ==================== =============
    @DCNINERFAN: Because black people are inferior right? BTW – this thread is about Vick. Not politics – but since you’re running out of words you know, I’ll throw ya’ a bone.

  42. TheWizard says: Jul 6, 2010 5:45 PM

    Looks like Vick will be getting his 12th second chance.
    One day, the luck will run out.
    This won’t end well.

  43. SomeFans says: Jul 6, 2010 5:47 PM

    Kolb’s best chance of starting was Vick being busted- sorry but no.
    Kolb is superior to vick in every way. .. period. Y0ur “hero” is a dog.

  44. Mooch says: Jul 6, 2010 5:55 PM

    Are you for farm subsidies?

  45. JimmySmith says: Jul 6, 2010 5:57 PM

    If Goodell had balls, he would suspend Vick for life right now just based on the fact that known felons with Vick that night.
    Let Vick flip hamburgers at Burger King for minimum wage till he figures it out.

  46. Meat Tuperello says: Jul 6, 2010 6:08 PM

    Vick’s best chance at starting to would have been to invite Kolb to his Birthday Bash where Kolb too could have been shot by the mystery man associated with Vick and Quanis.

  47. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 6, 2010 6:14 PM

    Vick was at a PUBLIC restaurant. So he should get banned for life just because known felons were there? Where does it end? If he goes out to dinner and known felons are present (banned?). Every NFL stadium he goes to IF there are known felons in attendance (banned?).
    See how STUPID I just made you look?

  48. texasPHINSfan says: Jul 6, 2010 6:17 PM

    Give me a break, this sends a horrible message. If everyone stays quiet, no charges get filed? How does that even make sense?
    If you can prove someone brandished a firearm, they should be arrested! I mean this guy is carrying an unlicensed firearm around and he has no business owning one. At the very least the shooter should get some jail time.
    This just sends a bad message and keeps a dirtbag on the street. Great job police :rolleyes:

  49. twan7272 says: Jul 6, 2010 6:19 PM

    “We think that Virginia Beach police are being more than a little charitable here”
    WE don’t care what you think, WE only want the news Dwight

  50. Jon Evans says: Jul 6, 2010 6:19 PM

    Stillerz says:
    July 6, 2010 5:40 PM
    Jon Evans says:
    “Vick had nothing to do with this at all”
    HAHAHA I really hope you were joking. The video camera caught him leaving the club just minutes before the shooting of his worst enemy, contrary to his lawyers account which had him leaving half an hour earlier.
    If you seriously believe Mike Vick had “nothing to do with this at all” you are very ignorant and need to take off the blinders right now.
    I wasnt insinuating that Ben had nothing to do with the girl in Georgia, but he was immediatly crucified even after it came out that no charges would be filed. I just wanted the hypocritical fans to respond with something like “Vick had nothing to do with this” which proves my point exactly. Thank you for doing that.
    Identical situations, but Ben is guilty and Vick is not right? And you people cry racial profiling??
    ========================
    You are a complete moron. What Blinders? Facts show he wasn’t there. You are latching onto a rough estimate of time going by when he never once EVER gave an exact moment of departure, he just gussed since.. he didnt know? haha.
    Why do I keep getting named in these racial statements. Go find someone else to play that game with, I won’t.
    I win again.

  51. numberfour says: Jul 6, 2010 6:19 PM

    he’ll be watched.
    the idjit cant be helped and wont learn. but he does have a lot of knob gobblers.

  52. famucancer says: Jul 6, 2010 6:22 PM

    LOL….now the same people who SWORE Vick somehow got out of a black mercedes and into a white escalade and back again with no one noticing, are gonna holler he’s being given a pass. LMAO! Well apparently since he can transcend time and space, he doesn’t need a pass….he’s omnipotent!

  53. hank moody says: Jul 6, 2010 6:29 PM

    AdogDC, you are a racist! You came from the hood and now have a job and pay taxes…congrats! I wish more people from the hood would get a job. Newport News used to be a safe, clean city. Now it is full of violence being committed by thugs who have no job and way too much time on their hands. This story is typical of the “no snitch” attitude of the hood. And you can worship Vick all you want to, but he has not changed….he is still a thug.

  54. StupidRednecks says: Jul 6, 2010 6:34 PM

    BOO HOO HOO
    STFU you dog kissing whiners :)
    “If it don’t fit, you must acquit” :)
    The only guilty devils in this country are the ancestors of the biggest thugs there ever was………….
    Slave owners!

  55. StupidRednecks says: Jul 6, 2010 6:37 PM

    SomeFans says:
    July 6, 2010 5:47 PM
    Kolb’s best chance of starting was Vick being busted- sorry but no.
    Kolb is superior to vick in every way. .. period. Y0ur “hero” is a dog.
    ———————————————
    From Tiger, the William Sisters to the NBA, brothas will always run this league.
    However there is hockey & water polo.

  56. Calgaryhawk says: Jul 6, 2010 6:54 PM

    RealisticSteelerfan,
    Hate to say it, but if you’re on probation and you have a no contact provision that’s exactly what it means.
    Say you go into your local restaurant and you run into someone you have a no contact provision with you are REQUIRED to leave immediately. You don’t get to use the line that you just happened to be at the same place having dinner.
    The minute Vick learned that Phillips was at the party he had an obligation to either have Phillips leave or he had to leave. It doesn’t matter if the two never said boo to each other the entire night.

  57. Meat Tuperello says: Jul 6, 2010 7:03 PM

    If I know I can’t be around known felons, and I see one, then it’s my responsibility to leave to protect my own interests.
    Just as if someone has a restraining order on them, and they go to wal-mart and they see the person who has the order against them, it’s up to them to leave to protect their own interests. Do you see the logic in that?
    Goodell should have never let his ignorant dumb ass back in the league, now he can correct his mistake.

  58. Big Daddy_71 says: Jul 6, 2010 7:17 PM

    RealisticSteelerFan-
    There is a difference between a chance encounter with a felon and an actual association.

  59. jibfest says: Jul 6, 2010 7:46 PM

    Kolb’s best chance of starting was when the Eagles traded McNabb. Vick gets in if Kolb throws 6 INTS in a row every game. Im an Eagles fan and I don’t want Vick touching the ball, unless it is in the Wildcat. Dude is a horrible passer. His stats tell us that.

  60. Citizen Strange says: Jul 6, 2010 8:47 PM

    In all seriousness, why is Plax in jail and this is no big deal with no charges filed?

  61. treeko says: Jul 6, 2010 8:51 PM

    Jeff Laurie,Joe Banner and Andy Reid are footballs biggest dimwits. Eagles will not win more than 5 games.

  62. digitalbath says: Jul 6, 2010 8:57 PM

    its amazing how they cant release the suspects name[the guy behind the alledged shooting],but they can smear vick through the mud,when he wasnt even there at the time
    never really liked vick,never thought he was the next coming in the nfl,never thought he should have been able to come back so soon,but even i can admit that this whole incident was B.S.,guy gets blamed for crap when he wasnt there at the time,then they say he lied about time when it really doesnt matter if he left 30 minutes or 30 secs before the shooting,i think everybody just needs to leave the dude alone,let him be

  63. The Hogster says: Jul 6, 2010 9:12 PM

    If it doesn’t fit – blame a Vick.

  64. tian says: Jul 6, 2010 9:20 PM

    This was old and done when they said that Vick was gone 5 minutes prior to the shooting. Everything else was academic. I’m amazed that there’s still some attention being made by it.
    The only thing that Vick did wrong was to hold a birthday party in Newport News, VA. That is all.

  65. Clubber Lang says: Jul 6, 2010 9:34 PM

    RealisticSteelerfan says:
    July 6, 2010 5:36 PM
    Now all you HOMER Steeler brethren of mine can SEE what I have been saying for 4 months. Do you see what happens to a prosecutors case when the accuser doesn’t cooperate? THEY HAVE NO CASE!!
    As I have said ALL ALONG, Ben Roethlisberger was NOT charged for the same reason this shooter isnt being charged- BECAUSE THE VICTIM WONT COOPERATE. It has nothing to do with Bens INNOCENCE. Had that girl agreed to go through with the case BEN WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED. Since she wouldn’t (Ben payoff) the Prosecutor had no case. Same scenario in this case. Yes, I’m a Steeler fan but a unbiased one. I don’t back the rapist and can’t wait till this DUMB Sex Offender is off of my GREAT TEAM.
    ———————————-
    Wow. I am at a loss for words. From this point forward, I will no longer lump all steeler fans in the same category. Bravo RealisticSteelerfan, Bravo…

  66. robert ethen says: Jul 6, 2010 9:36 PM

    As far as kneecapping goes, it was a half-assed job.

  67. The Hogster says: Jul 6, 2010 9:51 PM

    Is killing or maiming a Human more heinous than killing or maiming a Dog?
    Yes
    Is shooting or maiming another Person more heinous than shooting or maiming Yourself?
    Yes
    So, if the above are true – why did Vick and Plaxico serve 2 years in the federal penn, but the shooter at this party goes free??
    Because some people believe that the answers to the above questions are both NO when applied to black people.

  68. famucancer says: Jul 6, 2010 10:12 PM

    Florio busy sending anonymous tips to the police up in VA…..they just screwed up the next month for him.

  69. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 7, 2010 1:12 AM

    @Calgary Hawk and Turperello,
    Have you seen the conditions of Vicks release? Can you say with CERTAINTY that the language states that he HAS to leave? The fact that he hasn’t been VIOLATED proves that you are WRONG.

  70. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 7, 2010 1:54 AM

    @clubber Lang
    Yeah I am not like the rest of my Steeler Brethren. They KNOW if this had happended to Tom Brady,Flacco,Carson Palmer, Romo etc they would be singing a different tune. Ben has put our team in a bad light TIME AFTER TIME and to give him another pass is BS. Steeler fans act like Ben is on Brady or Mannings level, PFFFFFFT
    Ben has ONE Pro Bowl. Ben has ONE TD pass in TWO Super Bowl appearances. THREE ints in those same Super Bowls. Ben is good due to having a DOMINANT defense. Put Ben on the Lions or Browns and he is Jake Plummer.
    Is he good? Yes.
    Great? HELL NO.
    I’ll give Ben this. He has the distinction of being the only Qb to miss the playoffs after BOTH of his Super Bowl wins. He is also the ONLY Super Bowl winning Qb to have Multiple RAPE CHARGES.
    FRICKIN SCUM

  71. troke says: Jul 7, 2010 2:19 AM

    # The Hogster says: July 6, 2010 9:51 PM
    Is killing or maiming a Human more heinous than killing or maiming a Dog?
    Yes
    Is shooting or maiming another Person more heinous than shooting or maiming Yourself?
    Yes
    So, if the above are true – why did Vick and Plaxico serve 2 years in the federal penn, but the shooter at this party goes free??
    Because some people believe that the answers to the above questions are both NO when applied to black people.
    ————————————
    Didn’t Plaxico shoot a black guy? Even if it was himself he still gets credit…

  72. Drat says: Jul 7, 2010 4:36 AM

    Cripes. These comments involving racism are ridiculous. The different penalties imposed for a variety of crimes in a variety of places relates very simply to this (1) local variation in laws (for example, NY’s law regarding guns in public), and (2) local enthusiasm to enforce the law. By now it is extremely clear that Virginia is willing to look the other way, gouge out their own eyeballs, rather than prosecute Vick for anything. If the Feds had not been involved in the dog gambling racket, Virginia would allow Vick to be as pure and clean-scented as a feminine spray.

  73. polishkingski says: Jul 7, 2010 6:52 AM

    @ADogNDC….Boy, you sure have alot too say there lil` fella! why don`t you tell us more about yourself? you sound sooooooooooooo different from other black people! i could just listen to you all day!….TO ALL MY WONDERFUL G.O.P BRETHREN, don`t you see that we DO have some common ground? all the liberals i know have very “specific” ideas and feelings regarding how “thugs”are dealt with in this country! see, we can hate blindly just as well as you do.

  74. Meat Tuperello says: Jul 7, 2010 8:11 AM

    RS,
    I’m just saying that this story has a few chapters left.

  75. clint_taurus says: Jul 7, 2010 9:11 AM

    The Hogster says: July 6, 2010 9:51 PM
    Is killing or maiming a Human more heinous than killing or maiming a Dog?
    Yes
    wait, the “human” in question was one of Vickie’s dog-fighting buddies? Not sure I’d answer yes so fast on that one…

  76. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jul 7, 2010 9:18 AM

    All this race crying BS changes nothing:
    HE could be white, blue, green, yellow, purple or black & the facts are the facts.
    MV serial heinously tortured & killed bloody & hurt animals with his bare hands for kicks.
    HE attached wires to their balls & shocked them as they screamed in pain & he laughed about it.
    He set hurt & bleeding still alive animals on fire & rolled over with laughter about it.
    He did all this for some sort of perverse entertainment , he did it with his bare hands & did it continously for 6 years even after his FATHER told him what he was doing was wrong.
    He took unsuspecting BLACK women & infected them with VD that they will carry for the rest of their lives.
    After being busted for his OWN acts, he LIED to everyone, only admitting part of what he did to plea out. He never did ONE day in jail for the torture & abuse he administered with his own hands for sh*ts & giggles.
    Put any spin on the situation you want, those are the FACTS – MV is no good, he’s a poor pathetic excuse for a man & a human being. An absolute role model for your children guys, absolutely someone you should want your kids emulating. Unbelievable…
    Nothing the race crying, blind race supporting MV groupies will ever change the FACTS.

  77. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 7, 2010 12:02 PM

    Junkyard you are INCORRECT. Vick FUNDED the “Bad Newz” operation. He WATCHED dogs get tortured. It is a FACT that he did non of the killing or torturing. He had goons for that. Kingpins do nothing “with their bare hands”. Does it make him a better person because he didnt physically do the act himself? Of course not. But when people say “Vick killed dogs”, the correct statement should be “Vick had dogs killed and tortured”. If I can tell the truth about my own team (Steelers) I will certainly tell the truth about other matters.
    @Meat
    Vick would have been violated by now HAD he stepped out of bounds. The fact that he hasn’t proves that this is a dead issue. You should state “I hope this story has many chapters left”. That would be more appropriate sir.

  78. Sociofan says: Jul 7, 2010 12:52 PM

    @ RealisticSteelerfan. You dumb ass. By your logic, Adolph Hitler was a choir boy. He never killed anyone either, did he? To most of us, it is all the worse that he derived his perverse pleasure by watching others do it for him.

  79. Rob A says: Jul 7, 2010 2:08 PM

    StupidRednecks says:
    Now that the b.s. is over, the next order of business:
    Start training camp and start the season as th starter.
    Kolb’s best chance of starting was Vick being busted.
    OOPS – Sorry Kevin but you will be holding the clip board for another season :)
    __________________________________
    You are clueless if you really think Vick will again start in this league–he was never a good QB–its not about how fast you can run–its about how you can run an offense.
    Ohhh for anyone who thinks Tiger Woods is Black–your wrong–his race/color is black–not his ethnicity. He’s the greatest black golfer in history–he’s multi-ethnicity golfers in the world–1/8 black thats it. Your welcome StupidRednecks for the education!

  80. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jul 7, 2010 7:12 PM

    RealisticSteelerfan says: July 7, 2010 12:02 PM
    Junkyard you are INCORRECT. Vick FUNDED the “Bad Newz” operation. He WATCHED dogs get tortured. It is a FACT that he did non of the killing or torturing. He had goons for that. Kingpins do nothing “with their bare hands”. Does it make him a better person because he didnt physically do the act himself? Of course not. But when people say “Vick killed dogs”, the correct statement should be “Vick had dogs killed and tortured”. If I can tell the truth about my own team (Steelers) I will certainly tell the truth about other matters.
    ————————————————
    You are incorrect RSF, Vick later admitted to doing the things referenced above and that he got a charge from it. He participated in the killing with his owns hands for fun. What he was convicted for was bankrolling a dogfighting operation due to the jock sniffing incompetent prosecutor. MV did administer torture with his own bare hands, his father is on record as to witnessing the torture & cruelty first hand. I never accused you of lying, just being another Vick defender that is uneducated on what exactly happened at Bad Newz Kennels.

  81. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jul 7, 2010 7:51 PM

    http://nativeson.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/vick20070717.pdf
    Page 83 for starters, MV has also admitted to abusing the animals in all different fashions.
    As I said, never called you untruthful, just not completely informed on the subject…

  82. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 8, 2010 12:26 AM

    @JunkyardDogg1156
    This is a plea agreement. Vick plead guitly to get less time. IF you plead guilty as conditions of the plea YOU MUST admit to all accusations in that plea, or the judge WILL NOT accept the guilty plea.
    But if you believe a $100 Million dollar Qb was torturing already bloody, maimed and injured dogs then that is your choice. I on the other hand KNOW that the rich hire grunts to do their dirty work. Is, always has been and always will be that way.

  83. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 8, 2010 8:03 AM

    Vick had a plea agreement Junkyard. IF you plead guilty (and he did) you MUST admit to everything being charged with. IF you do not admit to what is being alleged in the plea agreement the judge will not accept the agreement. But IF you think a 100 Million dollar qb is handling damaged, maimed and bloody dogs then that is your opinion. Not mine.
    Rob A,
    Tiger Woods IS black. IF you have a drop of black blood in you, you are CONSIDERED BLACK.
    QUESTION: Can Tiger Woods join the KKK? Why not?
    NUFF SAID

  84. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jul 8, 2010 9:09 AM

    @RealisticSteelerfan
    I understand plea agreements, you once again justify this behavior anyway you’d like, the fact remains he did do the things listed.
    You want to keep this about dogfighting, I am talking about a pattern of behavior. I am talking about the CRUELTY it did administer with his own hands for fun. He & his hanger-ons thought it was fun & cool to inflict that kind of pain for kicks. Thats the sadistic behavior that is unacceptable.
    As you say, an 100 million dollar QB has the financial means (if this was a “real” business” to have the animals put down humainly with on site vets. NO, they chose to torture already hurt animals. Thats ghoulish & sick. To torture animals is pre-serial killer behavior, thats fact.
    This was a guy that infected black women with VD KNOWINGLY. How do the defenders keep supporting a guy that only cares about his own sick desires? How can you defend a guy that perminately & knowingly infects black women with VD? That’s not cruelty also?
    The guy is a poor excuse for a man & a human being…defend as you feel neccessary. But to think this guy deserves your support is a mistake, he has proven over & over the only thing that matters to him is him.

  85. RealisticSteelerfan says: Jul 8, 2010 9:41 AM

    @Junkyard,
    I am not justifying the behavior at all. In fact I said this above “Does it make him a better person because he didnt physically do the act himself? Of course not.”
    That is FAR from justifying. IF you want to THINK he did these acts then that is your choice sir. I on the other hand have enough sense to KNOW he had hired hands do it. Commons sense.
    Where you there? Did you see 1st hand that they were doing these acts for kicks? No you were not. The information came from informants who are LESS credible than Vick himself. You are showing a hypocritical side to yourself sir.
    Dogfighting is not human, so you are asking a guy to take a dog to a vet, when the vet will UNDOUBTEDLY call the police. HELLOOO dogfighting is illegal. IF you have done your research you would have read about the painstaking measures they went through to conceal this ILLEGAL activity. No sir, taking the dogs to a vet is OUT OF THE QUESTION.
    Vick infected WHITE and black women, get it right. I am not defending him I am merely setting the record straight. Sorry.
    If you feel this way about Vick and his sick ways and I agree. But how do you feel about our forefathers who raped and killed African Slaves? What Vick did to DOGS fades in comparison to what was done to actual PEOPLE. I wont mention the atrocities that were done to my people (Natives). And if you want recent history, how about Rodney King. Last I checked there are no teams called the Chicago Caucasians or the Washington Whiteboys.
    Signed the Redskin

  86. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Jul 8, 2010 11:35 PM

    It was not out of the question with the $$$ MV had to have a vet on site to take care of the sick animals, hell breeders have the same arrangement with vets, they pay, vets look the other way on a lot of issues. We both know with his kinda $$$ he could have a found a “dog fighting” vet. Down south? They exist, we both know that. But again claim not to defend MV & make excuses for his behavior. As your hypocritical side surfaces as well.
    You were not there to refute those “less than credible” sources either. So again speculate your disbelief with what they said & again in the next breath explain how you don’t defend MV.
    When everything was published in 2002, she was a black woman. Do you know for sure that she isn’t? Not that it really matters but if you do, I will be glad to reconsider my statement.
    The thing you keep dismissing is the enjoyment, you do not (or as you think “allow”) see anyone that would wet down a sick & defenseless animal & electrocute it wouldn’t do it unless they enjoyed some sort of perverse charge out of it. You say he didn’t actually do (and for logic say it’s common sense) but you want to believe he agreed to things in his plea he didn’t do. Were you there when the plea was drawn up? You know exactly what he was willing to “agree” to that he didn’t do? NO you weren’t either bro. Either you are not using common sense or are incredibly naive.
    This isn’t about the English (which I am not) & what they did to the Native Americans, this isn’t about Rodney King, this isn’t about slavery, this isn’t about what sports teams are called, or Ben Roethlisburger. This is about someone that thought they were above the same rules that others have to abide by. A privileged athlete that thinks he can do what he wants. Hurts people, hurts animals, no concern for anyone but himself & his desires.
    The acts of cruelty by MV are sick, fact remains he never did one day in jail for that cruelty. Anytime anyone takes any creature that cannot defend itself & tortures it for kicks, that person in inherently evil.

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