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The Colts may have found a new Super Bowl scapegoat

In the wake of a stunning 31-17 loss to the Saints in Super Bowl XLIV, punctuated by an interception that was returned for a touchdown while Colts quarterback Peyton Manning drove the team for what would have been a game-tying score, plenty of people had fingers pointed in their direction regarding the outcome.

But not Peyton Manning.

Receiver Reggie Wayne was blamed for not “crossing the face” of Saints cornerback Tracy Porter, who squatted on the route before taking the ball untouched to the end zone, with coach Sean Payton perhaps being the only guy in serious pursuit.

More generally, the Indy offensive line was blamed by team president Bill Polian for being “outplayed by the Saints’ defensive line, I thought, pretty decisively.”

Receiver Hank Baskett has been blamed for not cradling a surprise onside kick that started the third quarter. 

Now, there’s a new scapegoat.

Phillip B. Wilson of the Indianapolis Star shoehorns into a profile of third-string running back Mike Hart reference to a “key sequence” at the end of the first half of the game, in which the Colts needed one yard on third down, Hart got the ball, and he failed to convert.

The Colts punted, the Saints converted the short field into a field goal, and then (under Wilson’s logic) they were sufficiently emboldened by the extra three points to try to fool the Colts only minutes after Roger Daltry had promised between flashes of Pete Townshend’s ghastly white underbelly that Daltry Won’t Get Fooled Again.

So, basically, if Hart would have gained that one yard, the Colts would have won the Super Bowl.  Even though the Saints planned to spring a surprise onside kick at some point during the game.

Meanwhile, Manning gets little or no blame for throwing the ball that resulted in a seven-point deficit becoming an insurmountable 14-point hole.  Immediately after the game, Porter attributed his effort to “great film study,” which means that Porter cracked Peyton’s code — and that Peyton didn’t realize the offense he engineers by flapping his arms like a pelican trying to get BP’s primary product off its wings had a fairly significant tell.

As Porter told Dan Patrick the morning after the game:  “Once I saw [Austin] Collie motion in, I was like, ‘OK, here comes the stick
,’ and once I saw [Reggie Wayne] try to wide the part, I just stepped inside
and when he went to make the break to come back in I was already in
front of him and I picked the ball off.” 

But no one has pinned blame on Manning for the Colts’ failure to ensure that their offense wasn’t too predictable, possibly since such an explanation would come dangerously close to placing blame on the guy whose mere presence puts the Colts in position year in and year out to compete for championships.

Still, Peyton Manning bears a lot of the blame for the final outcome.  Not Reggie Wayne.  Not the offensive line.  Not Hank Baskett.  Not Mike Hart. 

If the Colts are lucky, Manning will have figured that out without anyone pointing it out, and he will be even more committed to making amends for last year’s gaffe by taking the team back to the Super Bowl this year — and finishing the job.

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  1. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Jul 6, 2010 10:02 AM

    Still, Peyton Manning bears a lot of the blame for the final outcome. Not Reggie Wayne. Not the offensive line. Not Hank Baskett. Not Mike Hart.
    Well to be fair, they ALL bear some of the blame. Manning was too predictable and reverted to his playoff ways (which we all thought had gone away after the 2006 run), Wayne ran a sloppy route, Baskett bumbled the kickoff, Hart didn’t get the first, and the O-Line didn’t get the job done. I’d say the O-Line is more responsible on a third and 1 than the running back. If they get SOME push, they pick up the yard even if I was carrying the ball.

  2. Larry says: Jul 6, 2010 10:05 AM

    As usual, blame the QB for every loss. It’s certainly the nature of the position, but football, unlike most other sports is team sport. It took all 53 players that day to lose that game. So, Peyton, Wayne, Hart, the OL, they were all to blame…
    At any rate, it could very well be that for that one game on that one day, the NO Saints were the better team….hmmmm….interesting point of view, huh ??

  3. chhutson27 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:06 AM

    A Mike Florio post that I, for the most part, agree with? Good for you Mike. I do believe that was Peyton’s fault, because I called the route and the interception when they lined up. I’d seen the Colts run that same play and formation dozens of times that year. But I really can’t believe this – a media person blaming Manning? If you try that on ESPN, they’d stone you.

  4. robigd says: Jul 6, 2010 10:08 AM

    I didn’t even have to look and see who this article was written by before I guessed it.

  5. The Real Shuxion says: Jul 6, 2010 10:10 AM

    I blame the bus driver who drove them from the hotel.
    Bastard had to stop for those kids who ran after the ball.
    With those 7 seconds Manning decided he would throw that route.

  6. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Jul 6, 2010 10:10 AM

    Peyton Manning is a choke artist…plain and simple.
    Check his stats in AFC Championship and Super Bowl games (7 touchdowns and 7 interceptions)…And if the Chicago Bears didn’t have Rex Grossman as their quarterback, Peyton would very likely be 0-2 in Super Bowls right now.

  7. jj jones says: Jul 6, 2010 10:11 AM

    Manning is lucky he plays in Indianapolis and not in Chicago, New York or Philadelphia. In Indiana, he is allowed to play in relative obscurity and is treated by the local media with kid gloves. And the fans there are content with regular season success and postseason failure because they know without Manning that they would not likely even have a team.

  8. thefloater says: Jul 6, 2010 10:13 AM

    It’s a team game. All those mistakes addded up to the loss. Why is this so hard to understand?

  9. hey804 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:14 AM

    I blame the Saints for being better.

  10. Mike Daly says: Jul 6, 2010 10:17 AM

    Manning is 9-9 lifetime as a playoff quarterback; his game regresses whenever he reaches the postseason. If he hadn’t figured out how to win by now, he never will.
    Not that the O-line doesn’t deserve criticism – it has long been overrated and a symptom of overpaying the quarterback (think about that fact, Tom Brady).

  11. MACK DADDY says: Jul 6, 2010 10:19 AM

    Why not just blame the officials like a Viking cry baby would?

  12. nps6724 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:19 AM

    Why must someone be to blame? Porter studied the film and read the play. Instead of assigning blame, give Porter credit for making a great play. The ONLY way that INT doesn’t happen is if Peyton goes to another play.

  13. mcjax says: Jul 6, 2010 10:20 AM
    Here’s the article that this steaming pile was based on. I’ve never wanted to comment on here until now before this garbage. I’ve been a Colts fan ever since they moved to Indy. The whole team was to blame for that loss in Miami. Not to mention that the Saints just outplayed them. The O-Line did not block or create holes. They hadn’t done that all year. Addai can’t make the explosive moves through a tiny seam like Edge did. Manning was forced to pass to move the ball a majority of the time like he did in 2004. The defense did not stop Brees and their O. Special teams got fooled into taking for granted that the kick in the 2nd half would go deep. Everyone from the coaches on down is to blame for that loss. Yes, including Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning. Get over yourself, Florio.

  14. TampaBayBucs6and10 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:20 AM

    Im amazed how fast I forgot who lost the superbowl. Crazy. It seems like I never know who loses. we only remember the winners.

  15. GBfanForever says: Jul 6, 2010 10:20 AM

    I don’t get why some deny how great a career Manning has had. He’s done it all. Sure his post season resume isn’t Montana’s, Aikman’s or Brady’s but it at least matches Favres.

  16. Hauschild says: Jul 6, 2010 10:24 AM

    And, this country lives to be able to blame one person.

  17. FoF says: Jul 6, 2010 10:24 AM

    It’s funny the amount of blame Favre gets around here for his INT in the NFCC game which resulted in OT. Which btw was the most likely outcome anyway in regulation after the foolish 12 men on the field penalty. Yet Erin Rodgers and Manning get free passes when their mistakes DIRECTLY led to the teams loss. Erin chocked TWICE in OT with the overthrow of a wide open Jennings and then holding onto the ball for too long on a simple 3rd and short, resulting in a turnover and TD for the other team. And Manning for the careless INT on the most critical drive of the game.

  18. Steel Dahn Sahth says: Jul 6, 2010 10:25 AM

    And if the Saints made a few more conversions, it might have been a blow out.
    It’s ridiculous to point your finger at any one play. The Saints were better on that day, period. It’s not a best of 7 series, it’s 60 minutes. You lost. Get over it already.

  19. Mike Daly says: Jul 6, 2010 10:26 AM

    mcjax – Manning was forced to pass? That’s what the Colts offense has been about since he was drafted – there is no such thing as establishing the run anymore, because establishing the run means wasting downs.
    Florio’s point seems to be that Manning inexplicably is never held responsible for the Colts’ consistent inability to win playoff games; the reality is that he is the primary reason why they lose. Yes, the O-line is overrated, Addai is overrated, etc. That doesn’t change that Manning is the primary reason why they lose in the playoffs.
    What’s the biggest difference between Tom Brady, Steve McNair, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino? Brady and McNair didn’t cost their team in the Superbowl.

  20. Cro-Mags says: Jul 6, 2010 10:30 AM

    Bad coaching and playcalling – who knew the Colts even had a FB before this? Mike Hart? How many carries did he have all year?
    Caldwell was embarassingly outcoached.

  21. CYGNUS X-1 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:32 AM

    still glad the colts lost but florio just won’t let go of his hatred for manning.try as he might the only thing bad he can come up with is that he mooned somebody in college and a female trainer saw it and was offended.yea that ranks right up there with the wife beaters,drug busts and dui’s in florio’s mind. oh wait there was that big contract he signed that was going to prevent the colts from ever being super bowl contenders right mike?look like it or not maybe guys like him and tebow are as good as thier images and until they have done something more than moon a teammate you should just admit you are wrong and let it go.worry about more important things like what serena thinks about the dolphins problems real hard hitting stuff that football fans are demanding answers to.

  22. FoF says: Jul 6, 2010 10:33 AM

    GBfanForever says:
    July 6, 2010 10:20 AM
    I don’t get why some deny how great a career Manning has had. He’s done it all. Sure his post season resume isn’t Montana’s, Aikman’s or Brady’s but it at least matches Favres.
    Some GB fan you are. Favre had a better record in the playoffs then Manning did with your team. No wonder GB doesn’t deserve to win for a long while, their fans are idiots.

  23. Caldon says: Jul 6, 2010 10:34 AM

    I’ve been saying this for awhile but its considered sacrilege to say anything bad about St. Manning. Its *always* someone elses fault each year.

  24. Hail2ThaRedskins says: Jul 6, 2010 10:34 AM

    You say that Porter read Manning’s signal, then provide a quote from Porter where he says he read Wayne’s route???

  25. eaglesnoles05 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:35 AM

    If Peyton and the colts weren’t playing grossman and the bears on that rainy superbowl sunday in Miami in 2006, how similar would the winning profiles of McNabb and Manning be? Think about it, WITHOUT bias, like I do since McNabb is a redskin and the enemy now. But seriously. Manning a choskster too.

  26. moolah954 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:36 AM

    why dont we blame the saints for being a better team

  27. FoF says: Jul 6, 2010 10:37 AM

    “What’s the biggest difference between Tom Brady, Steve McNair, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino? Brady and McNair didn’t cost their team in the Superbowl.”
    umm, you forget about the 2008 SB that quickly? Brady’s timid performance and deer in the headlight style of play in the face of that tenacious Giant’s D was the reason the Patriots lost. Up until the final drive of the game, the Patriots defense actually had a spectacular game basically shutting down the Giants. The difference in the game and the reason it was close enough for the Giants to win in the final seconds was the inability of Brady to score more than 14 points despite having the most prolific and greatest offense of all time.

  28. ZombieRevolution says: Jul 6, 2010 10:39 AM

    QBs get more credit for wins and loses than they should. Lawyers truned bloggers never seem to get this- too busy being on a soap box. It was a team lose. Did Manning coach teh team? No. Did Manning play defense? No. Did Manning run the ball? No. Did Manning miss getting the onside kick? No. Florio- Clueless without a league source.
    All those that point out that Manning is the reason that the Colts lose in the playoffs are as clueless as Florio. Look at the amount of times the Colts defense allowed 100, 150, 200+ yards rushing in the playoffs and ask your biased self if Brady would have won those games. The Patriots are rarely out rushed.

  29. daffy87 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:39 AM

    The Colts didn’t play that great. The Saints must have had some effective voodoo goin to make the Vikings trip over their own feet and then the Colts too.

  30. mcjax says: Jul 6, 2010 10:40 AM

    MikeDaly – Maybe forced isn’t the right word, but that is what their O is based on. Yes, he threw the pick. Yes, he is to blame just as much as the rest of the team. As a Colts fan I was watching that game and feeling that they would not win that as it went on. They just were flat out getting outplayed no matter what the score said. In all of the years that he has played in Indy, they only had one or two years where they had a really good D to create chances and give shorter fields. Even in 2006 their D woke up in the playoffs. That was the year that Fred Taylor and MoJoD ran all over them down here. They couldn’t stop the Jags down here this year in December which was the last week that they really played before the playoffs.
    Weird comparison of QB’s considering only one of those got a ring besides Manning. You gotta take risks and play to your strengths in a game like that. NE had a good defense during Brady’s wins. Manning has not. He still threw the pass, but there were a lot of plays that helped to kill them softly.

  31. AlanSaysYo says: Jul 6, 2010 10:40 AM

    “Immediately after the game, Porter attributed his effort to “great film study,” which means that Porter cracked Peyton’s code — and that Peyton didn’t realize the offense he engineers by flapping his arms like a pelican trying to get BP’s primary product off its wings had a fairly significant tell.”
    That’s not what that means, you charlatan hack. There was no code-cracking or any other similar nonsense. Wayne ran a lazy route, Porter sat on it, and Manning was oblivious enough to throw the ball to that spot anyway. Most of the DBs in the league ought to be able to return that pass for 6 in any given game.
    It was a stupid throw by Manning, who was more concerned about where his receiver should have been that checking to see where his receiver actually was.

  32. D wins games says: Jul 6, 2010 10:41 AM

    Why does the media insist on a scapegoat? All the plays you mentioned were key so all those players had a part in the defeat. Team loss. Better team won.

  33. Meat Tuperello says: Jul 6, 2010 10:42 AM

    Porter made a great play, but he also got lucky. The Colts have the same play set up where Wayne makes the move he made and then goes vertical.
    On the interception as a single play, I put the blame on Wayne for a halfassed route. If he ran it at full speed and to completion the worst case scenario is an incomplete pass.
    Just like any other football game there are a handful of plays that generated the outcome and a few that would have altered it one way or another.

  34. funi says: Jul 6, 2010 10:44 AM

    Why does Manning, Brady and Favre never get blamed for losses, however Big Ben was scrutinized for a Super Bowl win? Manning as an ego bigger than his firehead and a playoff choker! 9 playoff LOSSES!!! IT IS PEYTON’S FAULT!!

  35. dietrich43 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:46 AM

    The Colts have 53 players and everyone on their coaching staff to blame for the loss. If that play was predictable, why wasn’t it changed to avoid the tell?
    The media gives Manning all the credit when they win. But, you can’t have it both ways – if you give him the credit, then he needs to take the blame.
    Maybe if Manning didn’t soak up so much cap space, they could better afford to put a few blockers in front of him. I’d like to hear from Jeff Saturday after he retires.

  36. Slow Joe says: Jul 6, 2010 10:50 AM

    Thanks for this timely analysis of a game that happened over four months ago.
    Can you now post a blog on the “Tuck rule” game? Whose fault was that? Brady fumbled!

  37. wiley16350 says: Jul 6, 2010 10:51 AM

    “What’s the biggest difference between Tom Brady, Steve McNair, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino? Brady and McNair didn’t cost their team in the Superbowl.”
    Dan Marino didn’t cost his team the Superbowl. The 49ers had 31 first downs, ran the ball 40 times for 211 yards and passed another 35 times for 331 yards. The Dolphin defense was dominated. Yeah Marino had 2 INT’s but both came late in the 4th Quarter after the game was decided, neither was a game changer or game decider and the first one was a great play by the defender, not really a poor pass or bad decision.

  38. ZombieRevolution says: Jul 6, 2010 10:51 AM

    The post is titled “The Colts may have found a new Super Bowl scapegoat” but it refers to “Phillip B. Wilson of the Indianapolis Star”, so how have the Colts found a new scapegoat Florio.
    Trolling for hits again I see and we all bite.

  39. Douchebaggery says: Jul 6, 2010 10:52 AM

    Wow Florio, I guess it’s true what they say about broken clocks and blind squirrels.

  40. bluestree says: Jul 6, 2010 10:54 AM

    Two sides of the same coin. Blame the Offense or give the defense credit?
    Of course, because they fear the wrath of a future HOF’er, the talking heads try to find a way to blame the receiver.

  41. football genius says: Jul 6, 2010 10:55 AM

    Their coach lost that game, he was horrible. Worse coached superbowl in memory. He was taken to school by Payton

  42. winslow says: Jul 6, 2010 10:57 AM

    Manning threw the ball right to Porter. You can blame Yoko Ono if it makes you feel better, but Manning still threw the ball right to Porter. It was the worst Super Bowl pass since Garo Yepremian.
    But let’s blame Reggie Wayne.

  43. PackFaninPackLand says: Jul 6, 2010 11:01 AM

    Florio: “Meanwhile, Manning gets little or no blame for throwing the ball that resulted in a seven-point deficit becoming an insurmountable 14-point hole.”
    Good lord. I can’t imagine if that pass had been thrown by Favre, that anyone BUT FAVRE would be blamed.
    For those pissing and moaning about Favre having won only one Super Bowl, and having an iffy playoff record, perhaps those same people should look at Mr. Manning’s records.
    Plus, Manning has had superstars at WR nearly his entire career (Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, etc.) who did Favre have in GB for most of his career: Robert Brooks, Billy Schroeder and Antonio Freeman, and 3 seasons with Sharpe – hardly superstars.

  44. if yer not first... says: Jul 6, 2010 11:02 AM

    There’s absolutely no way this can be proved but I know for certain – as an absolute fact – that had the Colts gone for 16-0 they would’ve won the superbowl.
    That’s why they lost.
    (I’m being completely serious)

  45. Graham Baird says: Jul 6, 2010 11:03 AM

    Pretty hilarious column. I heard plenty of media types blame Manning for the interception, and rightfully so, he’s the QB, he should take the blame.
    Of course, to assail Manning’s entire career and refer to him as a choker is just plain stupid. Did he make a terrible error? Sure.
    The man is beyond reproach as a QB. His statistics and success put him among the greats to play the position. He has a Super Bowl ring.
    Is Roethlisberger labeled a choker after he played the worst game of quarterback in the history of the Super Bowl in XL? No, he’s a two time SB champ. But in SBXL he had a 23 QB rating and needed his teammates to bail him out, and that’s the point.
    Football is the ultimate team sport, even the 53rd man on the roster (Baskett) can have a significant impact in the most important game of the season. That’s what makes football so great.
    Think about what the Colts would look like if they didn’t have Manning. They’d be a train wreck. Among the worst teams in the League. If you don’t think Manning is awesome, well, I’m not sure what game you’re watching.

  46. Vox is an Idiot says: Jul 6, 2010 11:05 AM

    Donovan McNabb would have been crucified for making that throw.

  47. Kaz says: Jul 6, 2010 11:05 AM

    Classless on the Colts to keep avoiding the obvious.

  48. Massappeal says: Jul 6, 2010 11:06 AM

    It could have been that Manning’s old neckbolts were bothering him during the game. New ones, reportably, have been installed, so watch out.

  49. mad scientist says: Jul 6, 2010 11:09 AM

    Said all the experts who’ve never thrown a pass, run a route, or rushed the line. Team sport, team wins, team losses.

  50. Ytsejamer1 says: Jul 6, 2010 11:09 AM

    It was the entire Colts team that had their lunch pails handed to them. Sure, Manning deserves to get blame, but so does Wayne, Hart, Polian, and janitor, etc. It really is a team game, and when you win or lose, the entire team has something to do with it. (Capt Obvious reporting for duty).
    As mentioned previously and completely missed by Florio’s post: I think that Caldwell was ill-prepared and the Saints were good enough where the real Colts coach (Manning) needed some help from the sidelines. Caldwell crapped himself and that’s that.
    I honestly don’t think he did more than an hour’s worth of coaching that year during games…he just hung out on the sideline and watched Manning pick every team apart. During Pats games, you’d see Belichick getting down with the defense and going over plays, strategy, etc (a lot of good THAT did, but that’s another story)…Caldwell didn’t move or talk with anyone during games. He just stood there like he was just along for the ride.

  51. SF Saints Fan says: Jul 6, 2010 11:12 AM

    “Still, Peyton Manning bears a lot of the blame for the final outcome. Not Reggie Wayne. Not the offensive line. Not Hank Baskett. Not Mike Hart.”
    Really Florio, get a life. The Saints deserve CREDIT for the win. They were the better team that day. Peyton Manning is a future Hall of Fame member. The Saints defeated three straight future Hall of Fame QB’s to win the Super Bowl. Manning did not choke or throw a bad pass. Porter gambled and jumped the route. If the play had been a different play, and Porter was not 100% sure of the play – he guessed, it would have been TD Colts and not TD Saints.
    Without Manning, the Colts would not make the playoffs. Just like without Brees the Saints would not make the playoffs.
    Great QB’s carry their teams to victory and don’t whine about losing…….
    Manning and the Colts have not whined about losing to the Saints, they are class.

  52. The Real Shuxion says: Jul 6, 2010 11:12 AM

    funi says: July 6, 2010 10:44 AM
    Why does Manning, Brady and Favre never get blamed for losses, however Big Ben was scrutinized for a Super Bowl win?
    What are you talking about? Those three have blamed for losses countless times.
    And Ben was scrutinized because everyone hates you Duke fans…I mean Steeler fans.

  53. Popeye says: Jul 6, 2010 11:24 AM

    Wayne is a big game choker….he also dropped a TD to bring the colts within 3 points…..Manning was classy and took responsibility for the loss….Wayne is over rated

  54. MrHumble says: Jul 6, 2010 11:25 AM

    Gotta love the idiotic posters (by moniker and content I assume to be mostly Packer fans) who are more than willing to give Peyton Manning a free pass and even go so far as to brag him up but at the same time blast B.Favre. I happen to be a huge Manning and Favre fan and choose to look at their overall accomplishments vs. those stats that bolster a bias opinion. Neither the Packers or the Colts would have had the years of overall success, SB win, playoff wins, records, etc. etc. without Manning and Favre at QB. Guess it just goes to show that some posters don’t bother to think before they write garbage… the saying goes, “some people couldn’t say chit if their mouth was full of it”.

  55. CKL says: Jul 6, 2010 11:28 AM

    Funi…maybe it is because BR has one TD pass total in two SB wins and the worst passer rating performance ever by a winning QB in SB 40? No one denies he was a big part of the last SB win for that epically great last drive he helped engineer (though the rest of the game he was meh).
    But yeah…PM is supposed to be elite and got the single most undeserved SB MVP in the history of the SB to go with his nice 3 td & int perfofrmance in the 2006 playoffs.
    As others said, it isn’t that he should get ALL the blame all the time…its that he NEVER GETS ANY.Despite the fact he gets ALL the credit for calling the plays etc, he gets no blame when they are poor choices or execution. He NEVER talks about his own errors or takes any blame in pressers…he deflects it to others and you can tell he is irritated when he is questioned about a bad performance. And that culture in Indy starts with NaPolian.
    As for Brady, most of us Pats fans have no problem admitting he was horrible in that playoff game vs the Ravens. It’s a fact.

  56. pitch87mph says: Jul 6, 2010 11:37 AM

    Pierre Garcon’s drop of that 3rd and 10 (or whatever) early in the game (like 2nd quarter I think) was the turning point–blame him :). I openly stated, “that was huge” at the time, because at that point, the Colts were up 10-0, hadn’t been stopped yet, and likely would not have been stopped there either as that was an easy 25-30 yard gain (or more) and likely across midfield. Instead, the Colts punted, gave Saints good field position, and never quite seemed to get in sync again the rest of the game as the Saints D seemed to gain confidence from that key stop. Garcon catches that pass, Colts probably score on that drive (who knows, really) and go up 17-0. Totally changes the complexion of the game. That was the biggest play of the game, imo, and set the table for all the other “big plays” that just seemed to go the Saints way all day. But it started with Garcon.

  57. HomelandDefense says: Jul 6, 2010 11:39 AM

    yeah huge surprise that they dont place the blame on Manning. He is untouchable. If the NE QB made that throw he would get killed for it.

  58. JimmySmith says: Jul 6, 2010 11:43 AM

    The Colts are fast becoming the Vikings of the AFC. They can’t win the big game and everytime they lose, they feel compelled to blame anybody but themselves as a team.
    The big difference is the Colts have at least won one Superbowl.

  59. redrum87 says: Jul 6, 2010 11:44 AM

    nps6724 says:
    July 6, 2010 10:19 AM
    Why must someone be to blame? Porter studied the film and read the play. Instead of assigning blame, give Porter credit for making a great play. The ONLY way that INT doesn’t happen is if Peyton goes to another play.
    And actually give a member of the 2009 Saints any credit for doing something other than hitting QB’s late, cheating, denying lord Favre his birthright of winning the Superbowl in 2009, and winning on a kick that was so lucky they had to change the rules; not a chance you should know better than that.
    The Saits were the better team that day period. They made plays when they needed to and they won the game.

  60. Dukeshire says: Jul 6, 2010 11:48 AM

    That pick by Porter was beautiful execution and a perfect playcall by DC Williams. Wayne and Manning may not have been on the same page, but it’s not like they can eat the ball when they’re down by 7 in the Super Bowl on third down. The short of it is the Colts didn’t lose that game, they were beaten. Accept it Indy.

  61. Dukeshire says: Jul 6, 2010 11:53 AM

    “yeah huge surprise that they dont place the blame on Manning. He is untouchable. If the NE QB made that throw he would get killed for it.”
    Right. Because Tom Brady really takes it on the chin from the national sporting press…

  62. overkil2 says: Jul 6, 2010 11:54 AM

    There are always several plays that could impact the game, but the fact was that the Colts were driving for a tying TD when Manning threw the INT, so forgetting what happened eariler, they had an opportunity to tie the game and he choked.. AGAIN!!
    Manning is great for the stats, but if I have to have a QB in there in the SB, I’d take Montana every time. The guy was clutch. Not the best passer. Lot of other QBs have thrown for more, but he knew how to win crucial games.

  63. Reggie'sBush says: Jul 6, 2010 11:55 AM

    New scapegoat for the Colts is Drew Brees.

  64. Hauschild says: Jul 6, 2010 11:58 AM

    The one thing that has never made sense to me is when people spew out the “Choke in Big Games” argument, as if a regular season game in all its spectacle isn’t already astonishingly huge – 68k+ fans, TV’s everywhere, circus-type atmosphere …
    I mean, seriously, folks! The NFL is so large and hinges on each week so blatantly, because there are only 16 games. So, is it even possible for a particular player to spot “extra cameras” in a stadium already chock full of cameras and reporters – and then somehow be overcome with nerves and anxiety – especially veteran players that have gone thru the wringer time and time again??? It simply does not make any sense to assert certain players “choke” in big games.
    I believe a much more valid argument is that big games are played by big time players, and it isn’t a particular player “choking” as it is another player “making a play”.

  65. Topher says: Jul 6, 2010 11:59 AM

    I’m a huge Colts fan and like most serious Colts fans I give Peyton Manning a pass because I know that without Manning the Colts are a .500 ball club.
    His interception in the Super Bowl was frustrating but with any other quarterback in the world the Colts wouldn’t have been in the SB.
    That includes Favre and Brady.
    Manning gets a pass for his rare foul ups because he’s the best, he’s not perfect but he’s better than anyone else on the planet.

  66. Citizen Strange says: Jul 6, 2010 12:01 PM

    The Colts didn’t even deserve to be in the Super Bowl after they tanked it against the Jets because they were afraid of the Steelers being in the playoffs. Seriously, Curtis Painter?

  67. iusedtobeteddybayer says: Jul 6, 2010 12:04 PM

    when you say, “Still, Peyton Manning bears a lot of the blame for the final outcome. Not Reggie Wayne. Not the offensive line. Not Hank Baskett. Not Mike Hart.”
    I think what you meant to say was, “Still, Peyton Manning bears a lot of the blame for the final outcome. As does Reggie Wayne. As does the offensive line. As does Hank Baskett. As does Mike Hart.”
    They’re all responsible. Can’t just tidy it up 6 months later. Besides, it’s a TEAM sport. Anybody wearing the jersey is to blame.
    Oh, and then there’s the Saints. Give them a little credit. And some Vic.

  68. AmishGangsta says: Jul 6, 2010 12:04 PM

    As a diehard, lifelong Colt’s fan, I must say I agree with all the Saints fans-they won because they were BETTER. Period. End of story.
    You can look for reasons until JaMarcus Russell becomes a good QB, it won’t change a thing-the Saints won because THEY WERE THE BETTER TEAM!!! Geez….
    Or, in the case of Florio, you can simply make things up in order to fuel your jealousy-based hatred of the greatest QB of all time.

  69. fan55 says: Jul 6, 2010 12:10 PM

    The Colts O-line was not good enough to keep out the bigger, much meaner SAINT’s d-line.
    This is Polian/Irsay Jr’s fault. They went into the season KNOWING they had a shot but they were cheap and did not improve the o-line.
    What is really incredible is that this off-season they STILL have not improved the line.
    Polian is supposed to be one of the best in the league.
    What is going on in INDY????

  70. dmstorm22 says: Jul 6, 2010 12:12 PM

    I don’t think Colts fans just give Manning a pass. I’m a Colts fan and here is my take: Manning is 9-9 in the playoffs, but there was only one time where he played bad and the rest of the team played rather well, and that was the 2003 AFC Title Game in New England.
    He has had many games (2004 Divisional, 2000 Wild Card, 2005 Divisional, 2007 Divisiona, 2009 Super Bowl) where Manning came to play, and played very well, and the rest of the team effed it up.
    Also, how is Manning not clutch. He’s led a 18 and 11 point comeback in two different AFC Title Games against the AFC’s best defense each year. Two weeks before the Super Bowl he eviscerated the Jets, who had the league’s best defense.
    Peyton made a bad read, Reggie ran a bad route and Tracy Porter made a great play. Fine, but Peyton played well in that game up to that point. The defense couldn’t stop Drew Brees at all. The Saints played BETTER. That is why the Colts lost, not Manning, not anyone else. If anybody is really to blame, it is Hank Baskett for fumbling the onside kick.

  71. jcasey says: Jul 6, 2010 12:13 PM

    @ ZombieRevolution
    Did Manning throw the pick 6? YES!!!

  72. Topher says: Jul 6, 2010 12:15 PM

    I’ve got to say, in addition to my earlier comment, that the Saints are a better team than the Colts.
    Also…. in reference to the “plenty of blame going around” I see that as a team where every component is taking accountability for the Super Bowl loss. Not only is this rare in the NFL, but it makes the Colts a very dangerous team in 2010.

  73. T-Money says: Jul 6, 2010 12:15 PM

    No game ever comes down to one play. There were plenty of opportunities left out 0n the field, some that only the teams themselves know about. Every time the ball is snapped there’s an opportunity to make something happen. The Colts lost because the Saints made more plays than they did.

  74. texasPHINSfan says: Jul 6, 2010 12:17 PM

    Why are we so concerned with scapegoats in this country? There will always be a winner and a loser in every contest. There’s always a bunch of reasons.
    Anyone who is still trying to analyze that and figure out “who’s fault” it is sounds like a baby.

  75. jon evans says: Jul 6, 2010 12:27 PM

    # Larry says: July 6, 2010 10:05 AM
    As usual, blame the QB for every loss. It’s certainly the nature of the position, but football, unlike most other sports is team sport. It took all 53 players that day to lose that game. So, Peyton, Wayne, Hart, the OL, they were all to blame…
    At any rate, it could very well be that for that one game on that one day, the NO Saints were the better team….hmmmm….int eresting point of view, huh ??
    Please remove Mannings gonads from your chin. You are probably one of the people that blame Favre for losing to the Saints, because of his late game interception….
    And, your comment appears to be saying, that Indy was better, but they just didnt play a good game that day. The Colts would win 9 out of 10, and that was the 1 that got away….. Give me a break. When the Pats tried to use the excuse that a perfect game by the Giants would be needed, and a perfect game is what they got, everyone laughed, likely, you included.
    Face the facts, the Colts were in position, and Manning blew it. 99% of the time, Manning would recognize what the D was doing, and call a double move, and throw a TD pass, but on that play, he missed it, made a terrible throw, and the game was sealed….

  76. robert ethen says: Jul 6, 2010 12:37 PM

    I’m heading straight over to Mike Hart’s house to defecate on his lawn.

  77. ppdoc13 says: Jul 6, 2010 12:42 PM

    If it wasn’t for Manning the Dolts would be drawing worse crowds than the Jax Jags. It is a lousy city with a QB whose collar gets 3 sizes smaller when he plays in the playoffs. Then you watch him with the scowl on his face as if it were someone elses screw up rather than his choke causing the problem. Enjoy it while you can Indy. Once Peyton leaves and your attendance goes down to 20K per game you’ll be next in line for LA.

  78. Woe is Mets says: Jul 6, 2010 12:44 PM

    why is the Indy Star still writing about that game in July? that place is a sad, sad place.
    and let us all be afraid given Papa Florio might actually be right with his gentle chiding for once.

  79. db3300 says: Jul 6, 2010 12:46 PM

    I’m very indifferent about the Colts but I think Manning is the best QB I’ve ever seen. Be that as it may, the Colts just aren’t that good to pencil into anything. Without Manning, they’re a 3 win team but there was plenty of blame to spread around.

  80. nps6724 says: Jul 6, 2010 12:47 PM

    “The one thing that has never made sense to me is when people spew out the “Choke in Big Games” argument, as if a regular season game in all its spectacle isn’t already astonishingly huge – 68k+ fans, TV’s everywhere, circus-type atmosphere …”
    If you screw up in a regular-season game, it can easily get lost in the shuffle of the other 14+ games being played. And unless it’s at the end of the year, you’re not eliminated from the playoffs. And you’re not playing other top teams every week, which means mistakes can be masked due to simply being far more talented (comparatively speaking) than the opposing team. And everyone won’t be watching every regular-season game, meaning most mistakes won’t be recalled by the vast majority of fans.
    If Peyton throws a game-losing Pick-6 in Week 4 against Jacksonville, it gets a 3-minute spot on Sportscenter and only die-hard football fans will remember it in 2 weeks. Millions upon millions more saw him do it in the Super Bowl. And don’t think these guys don’t know it.

  81. JoeSixPack says: Jul 6, 2010 12:50 PM

    I’d have more sympathy for the Colts if the organization had the balls to go for the Perfect Season instead of pulling all starters against the Jets.
    The Jets PSLs would really be in tough shape if they were what they should have been – an 8-8 team that sat out the playoffs.

  82. bigrig says: Jul 6, 2010 12:52 PM

    The local Indy media will never cross Manning. They are scared to death of him. He runs that team, that town, and he controls that media.

  83. belugabear says: Jul 6, 2010 12:56 PM

    If there is anyone to blame it is Pierre Garcon for dropping that pass in the 2nd quarter (I think) that probably would have been a touchdown, but at the very least he would have converted the third and long. After that drive the Saints were able to start chipping away at the Colts lead.

  84. ehatem says: Jul 6, 2010 1:29 PM

    Actually there seems to be two people on the Colts that are even more untouchable then Manning that bear the responsibility here. Caldwell and Polian. Colts fans shouldn’t be worried about SB 44. I’d be scared to death about the 2010 season. Polian has Jerry Jones-itis in that he suddenly believes he’s more responsible for the team’s success then say the players are. And Caldwell has absolutely no business being a head coach. Horrible game plan. Just horrible. So much went wrong in that game that you can’t possibly point out one guy or one moment. In fact, so much went wrong its time to worry about the team as a whole. Super Bowl losers tend to fall off the next year, historically speaking, and NOBODY mentions that. Everyone is picking the Colts to make it back. Honestly, with that coach and big headed GM, they’re lucky to make the playoffs.

  85. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Jul 6, 2010 1:38 PM

    Cro-Mags called it… Caldwell got schooled by Peyton and the Saints. But the point about Wayne sucking does merit consideration.

  86. Paul says: Jul 6, 2010 1:51 PM

    It’s stating the obvious, but, in nearly all games, the team that has the edge in the majority of these units wins:
    WR set
    Defensive front 7
    Special teams
    I don’t include running game because I include this in o-line play and because superior passing is what wins in this league. In the SB, it seems clear that the Saints had the edge in coaching, special teams while I’m not sure the Colts had an edge in any of the others. It seems the rest were pretty even, although I would give a slight edge to the Saints in QB simply because Brees never panicked and orchestrated a passing attack that left the Colts’ D guessing all game. On the last TD drive, he completed 7-8 passes, each one to different receivers. That’s definitely keeping a defense on its heels. Manning played well, but I do think he choked on the INT. He telegraphed his throw and flinched with not all that much pressure around him.
    In the end, the Saints were simply better. Maybe not by much, but at that stage, not much is all you need.

  87. VoxVagina says: Jul 6, 2010 2:00 PM

    This articale is 5 months too late. Regardless, I’ve been saying for a while that Colts fans have done everything but blame their QB. A QB gets a ton of credit for a win, and deserves just as much blame in a loss. It’s the nature of the position. Colts fans have been treating it like a one way street. I’m sure Manning blames himself

  88. Klytus says: Jul 6, 2010 2:14 PM

    Mr. Florio, don’t you like Peyton Manning? He is an exceptional football player. The last I looked, American Football is a team sport. And when there’s a loss, the team loses not just one player. Since football is essentially like insane chess. The odds of a player blowing a play or missing an assignment is high on every snap of the ball.

  89. duffsbeer says: Jul 6, 2010 2:19 PM

    Just need to point something out. The colts oline is built for pass protect. They are not a run friendly oline. Most olines don’t do both great, majority specialize in one and hopefully do the other decently enough to get by. Vikings used to have a run oline and they have switched more to pass oline which is why you seem them drop back more rather than push forward. They also don’t do as many pulls or sweeps as they used to.
    Given that the colts oline is a passing oline, trying to steam roll forward to gain one yard on a third and one situation when the defense knows you are trying for the plunge up the middle is not a guarantee as if it was the VIkings of 2008.

  90. KC_Vols says: Jul 6, 2010 2:21 PM

    If Reggie Wayne shows up to play in that game, Colts win. The guy ran horrible routes all night and was not in tune to what they were doing.

  91. va4favre says: Jul 6, 2010 2:24 PM

    I agree with the post that this would never happen on ESPN. Of course the entire offense is responsible, but it was a killer INT by Manning. Favre gets roasted for an INT that still left the score tied. Manning’s record in big games is still mediocre. He should never have won the MVP this year or last. It should have gone to Brees or Favre.

  92. J-Lamont says: Jul 6, 2010 2:25 PM

    As a former resident of Cleveland, Ohio (the place QB’s go for a reality check), I found it very strange when I moved to Indianapolis and saw how they worship Manning no matter how bad he actually plays. Several times during the 09 season the team had come from behind wins because Manning would look AWFUL the first three quarters of the game, that on top of his consistant playoff choking, he would have been strung up in any other city.
    The way I figure it, pro football is not a big deal in Indianapolis who is known more for basketball and motorsports than anything. Whenever they see Manning on TV it’s because he’s taking out a bunch of orphins or saved a cat from a tree so the fact that he is a good community guy (the main childrens hospital in the city is named after him), they could care less about his play. I honestly don’t believe Payton would be abled to handle the pressure of playing in an actual “football city” which makes Eli somewhat more respectable.

  93. Arizona Buckeye says: Jul 6, 2010 2:31 PM

    I love blaming Mikey Hart for the loss. He was POS RB from michigan who did nothing but whine all the time and now he is a POS RB in Indy. I may, however, be a bit bias given where I graduated from!!!!

  94. Doctor Connors says: Jul 6, 2010 2:37 PM

    Pass interference Peyton has always been overrated. Great regular season stat padder, horrible choker in the playoffs.
    Maybe it’s because the Colts don’t get a bogus 60 yard PI in their favor in the playoffs, unlike every regular season game?

  95. Mike Daly says: Jul 6, 2010 2:40 PM

    dmstorm – the ONLY time Manning has won playoff games, the other team was not a good team –
    Chiefs twice – 2003 no ability to stop anyone; 2006 no offense + mediocre defense.
    Broncos twice – Broncos consistently quit on Shanahan the last ten seasons in Denver.
    Ravens twice – the Ravens cannot beat the Colts regardless of how good their team is.
    Patriots 2006 – defense got sick before the game and thus got gassed in it.
    Bears – weak coach, incompetent quarterback.
    NY Jets – mediocre coach, weak quarterback, overrated defense.
    Against real teams (Tennessee, Miami, New England twice, Pittsburgh, San Diego twice, New Orleans) Manning has no ability to deliver. His teams certainly help him fail but he deserves special condemnation. He’s not as egregious a playoff choker as Favre, but he still chokes.

  96. steve2006 says: Jul 6, 2010 2:46 PM

    Number one on the list of Colts scapegoats is Jim Caldwell. Two examples that immediately come to mind are the conservative offensive plays at the end of the first half, and being unprepared for the on-sides kick. If I were a Colts fan, I’d be pissed. They should have won that game, but instead he was totally out-coached.

  97. DasBoot504 says: Jul 6, 2010 2:52 PM

    I wish people would get over it already with the “if’s”…..If Garcon would’ve converted on 3rd down, or if Baskett would’ve held on to the onside kick, or if Wayne would’ve run a better route…..well it’s a two way street…..If Colston wouldn’t have had a ball bounce off his mask and kill our second drive we wouldn’t have been down by 10……If Mike Bell wouldn’t have slipped on 3rd-1 from the goal line before half time we would’ve scored and been tied or possibly leading by three at the half. blah blah blah…..nobody talks about the mistakes made by the winners, everyone just looks at the losers and wonders what could’ve been. Were three long weeks from training camp….last season is over and done with…let it go.

  98. DeBoe says: Jul 6, 2010 3:15 PM

    I blame the Minnesota Vikings offense for the Colts not winning the Super Bowl. Had Brett Favre not thrown that pick during the NFC championship, and the Vikes offense turning the ball over 5 times, maybe things would have turned out different.
    Maybe we should give credit to the Saints “D” They were the ones who forced the 5 Viking turnovers and the Manning interception in the Super Bowl.
    Let’s face it folks, 2009 was New Orleans year.

  99. DanRooney says: Jul 6, 2010 3:21 PM

    Manning is a choke artist. The only reason they won in 2006 was because of their defense in the playoffs (and because they were fortunate enough to play Rex Grossman)…but as usual he gets the MVP award because Rhodes and Addai rush for about 100 yards a crack and his D holds the Bears to about 10 points. Totally his doing.

  100. HoosierJim says: Jul 6, 2010 3:47 PM

    There were several plays that, had they gone the other way, might have had an impact on the outcome of the game. They are:
    Pierre Garcon’s failure to catch two passes in the first quarter, the first of which changed what could have been a touchdown drive into a field goal, and the second, which was more catchable than the first, would have been a touchdown.
    The Mike Hart run (but of course he can’t block and run at the same time).
    Basket’s muff of the on-side kick.
    Stover’s missed field goal.
    Trouble is it would have taken a reversal of at least two of the foregoing errors to make up for Peyton’s interception. That was the key faux pas of the game.
    Bottom line – Saints were better than Colts. Darn it!!

  101. TheDPR says: Jul 6, 2010 3:49 PM

    But no one has pinned blame on Manning for the Colts’ failure to ensure that their offense wasn’t too predictable,
    I’ve blamed Manning a lot. Nobody listens to TheDPR.

  102. numberfour says: Jul 6, 2010 4:15 PM

    ghastly white underbelly?
    sure that wasnt a flash view of florio’s head when the toupee blew off?

  103. edgy says: Jul 6, 2010 5:30 PM

    Is isn’t funny that NOW the Colts Dolts are saying that it’s the ENTIRE team’s fault when they were were throwing the OL and Wayne under the bus after the Super Bowl.

  104. golongboyee says: Jul 6, 2010 5:40 PM

    It is always the same excuse…..when the Colts win, it is the direct result of Manning, when they lose, it is because of everyone (or someone else)…whichever is more convenient….when are these low IQ, indiano-place dunderheads gonna get a clue????????
    …and evertime they try to compare him to Montana, I just have to laugh……..please…great QBs step it up when the pressure is on…….Manning NEVER has which is why he is NOT great……at least people are starting to realize this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  105. golongboyee says: Jul 6, 2010 5:42 PM

    KC_Vols = totally dellusional moron!

  106. golongboyee says: Jul 6, 2010 5:45 PM

    9-9 says it all………and he is lucky to have THAT record!

  107. golongboyee says: Jul 6, 2010 6:16 PM

    ..even Reggie Wayne’s Dad criticizes Manning for his play-calling. He out-thinks himself a lot of the time. Like throwing a slant route inside the 5 yard line, a bone-headed play call. He is simply NOT a good play-caller. Just because he does a lot of it doesn’t make him GOOD at it. The Colts would do better if they left the play-calling to someone else.

  108. buzzbissinger says: Jul 6, 2010 7:42 PM

    “…Peyton didn’t realize the offense he engineers by flapping his arms like a pelican trying to get BP’s primary product off its wings had a fairly significant tell.”.
    Classic, Solid Gold (pre-NBC-esque) Florio.

  109. EverybodyGotsAIDS says: Jul 6, 2010 7:58 PM

    Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:
    “Peyton Manning is a choke artist…plain and simple.
    Check his stats in AFC Championship and Super Bowl games (7 touchdowns and 7 interceptions)…And if the Chicago Bears didn’t have Rex Grossman as their quarterback, Peyton would very likely be 0-2 in Super Bowls right now.”
    Crap, did I just agree with some guy that calls himself as-WE-pƩ?

  110. QinCT says: Jul 6, 2010 8:01 PM

    Bottom line…REAL leaders give credit to others when they succeed, and they take the blame when they fail…

  111. sharkattack says: Jul 6, 2010 8:41 PM

    The Saints won the Super Bowl that day, but I honestly think think the Colts were the better team. I say that as a big an of NO (not my fav, but def. second.) I really believe that Porter got lucky on that play. I don’t think there was any code-cracking or nonsense like that. You just say that stuff to hopefully make people think of it as more than right place, right time.
    As for Manning; he is a HOF QB and I honestly believe he is the best QB to ever play the game. People will argue about his play-off record/stats all day, but in the end play-off games are just games. The rules are the same as they are in the regular season (or were.) If you want to rag on a guy for choking in the play-offs without considering his regular season performances, it just seems ignorant to me. He has been the league MVP what 4 times now?
    Blame can go to Manning or whoever you want. Teams win championships, and on that day the Colts didn’t have a championship team; but no one in the right mind could say they didn’t have a champion QB.
    Oddly enough, a poster on here said that if the Colts were to have gone 16-0 they win that game; I agree. I have no logic or reason to think that, I just do.

  112. edgy says: Jul 6, 2010 9:00 PM

    # QinCT says:
    Bottom line…REAL leaders give credit to others when they succeed, and they take the blame when they fail…
    Unless your name is Peyton Manning and then you throw your OL under the bus (Pittsburgh loss) and then you sort of do it again after last year’s game and then you get management to throw them and Reggie Wayne openly under the bus so you don’t get criticized as you were after the Pittsburgh game.

  113. edgy says: Jul 6, 2010 9:06 PM

    sharkattack says:
    I really believe that Porter got lucky on that play. I don’t think there was any code-cracking or nonsense like that.
    Really? Last year, Peyton threw 16 INT and guess what, here are the stats for him when he threw to Reggie Wayne:

    | Name                   Att Comp   PCT Yards  TD Int Rating |
    | Reggie Wayne           149  100  67.1  1264  10  10   87.8 |

    That’s right, 10 were on passes intended for Reggie Wayne. Obviously, the rest of the NFL seems to have cracked the code just like Porter.

  114. sharkattack says: Jul 6, 2010 9:29 PM

    Where did you get those stats? Those should not be available to the public!
    Honestly, those are interesting. It doesn’t change my opinion though. Any interception is %75 luck. Maybe you take steps to increase your odds, but a corner back has to either play for the pick or be in the right place at the right time. If you are just in the right place at the right time, then it’s %90 luck %10 hands. If you play for the pick, well just ask Philadelphia fans how they feel about Asante Samuel.
    In Porters case he saw a give that he noticed from a tape. He gambled and sat on the route. If it would have been the route another reader suggested, where Wayne runs deep, he would have given up a TD. If Manning goes to any of the other 3 recievers eligible on that play, Porter has taken himself out of position to give chase.
    Think of it like poker; you can bluff your hand, but in the end the others still have to have worse cards.
    I take nothing away from Porter, it was a great play. I just don’t think we should be saying he cracked the code or anything like that
    As for your stats, they do not account for tipped passes, right place right time plays, press-coverage blitzing, or the fact I’m sure not all of the 10 picks were on that one play.
    Though I will say it is a telling slice of information,
    that may suggest Manning relies on Wayne a little too much.

  115. edgy says: Jul 6, 2010 10:12 PM

    sharkattack says: July 6, 2010 9:29 PM
    Where did you get those stats? Those should not be available to the public!
    I compiled them myself from play by play stats. Here’s a complete list of QBs and receivers and how they did by QB and by receiver, including throw aways and spikes:
    BTW, other sites that compile stats have numbers that are identical to what I’ve got so it’s not like I’m making this up as I go along. šŸ™‚
    When I was younger (a long time ago), film study was pretty primitive and it was actually the assistant coach who got the head coach to do it because he didn’t believe it in and it’s one reason why we’d start out 3-0 and then lose the rest of the games for the first two years that he was the coach. Our opponents KNEW what we were running and even though down and distance compilation was in its infancy, they were able to get a really good idea of what we were doing. After the assistant got him to work on film, we not only knew what the other team was doing, we also knew what we were doing and we were a lot better.
    Serious film study CAN yield results and I find it funny that Colts fans talk about how great Manning is because of his film study but seem to think that it’s laughable that the opposition actually does it as well and can benefit by studying his tendencies.
    As for your last paragraph, I nominate it for today’s PFT Moment of Duh. šŸ™‚

  116. stanjam says: Jul 6, 2010 11:26 PM

    This is what happens when your biggest play is for the “most accurate passer in the NFL” sends his receivers deep to collide with defenders while throwing them a ball that is close but uncatchable, thereby getting a PI call.
    The PI is Indy’s biggest play, and the refs don’t buy that game in the Superbowl as much. It will continue to get them through the regular season, but they will continue to suck as an offense in the post season.

  117. golongboyee says: Jul 6, 2010 11:31 PM

    sharkattack, you wouldn’t know a good QB if it bit you on your ass……no pun intended.

  118. golongboyee says: Jul 6, 2010 11:35 PM

    “Oddly enough, a poster on here said that if the Colts were to have gone 16-0 they win that game; I agree. I have no logic or reason to think that, I just do.”
    Yes, sharkattack, this pretty much sums up everything you THINK………….
    Gee, what if the Colts went 32-0……..gee, wouldn’t that mean they won 2 SBs…….LOL………… are such a TOOL!

  119. Annuvin says: Jul 7, 2010 5:40 AM

    Graham Baird wrote:
    Is Roethlisberger labeled a choker after he played the worst game of quarterback in the history of the Super Bowl in XL?
    I think it’s a given that the worst game of QB in the history of the Super Bowl goes to Trent Dilfer for his Pop Warner performance in Super Bowl XXXV. Jus’ sayin’…

  120. Mean and Nasty says: Jul 7, 2010 10:39 AM

    @ Mike Daly
    Your the biggest moron I’ve come across. Nice description of “real teams” and the fake excuses you give to the teams THE COLTS have beaten in the playoffs. Yes thats right, I said THE COLTS, not just PEYTON!! Its assclowns like you that confuse this TEAM SPORT with individual performances.
    That being said, I’m over the Super Bowl. We got beat, plain and simple.
    And Florio, where do you see anyone in that article blaming Mike Hart for losing the SB?? You are pathetic
    How bout giving Tracy Porter CREDIT for jumping a route and making a great play?? Has anyone ever mentioned him?? No, they’d rather blame Peyton or Reggie or anyone else. Get a life people!

  121. golongboyee says: Jul 7, 2010 3:55 PM

    Mean and nasty – typical crybaby Colts fan!

  122. golongboyee says: Jul 7, 2010 3:58 PM

    Annuvin – assclown……..for your insipid little mind…….one cannot choke if one wins…….last I checked, neither Dilfer nor Big Ben have ever lost a SB…….i.e. niether has choked……say what you will about both these guys, but the arent chokers.

  123. golongboyee says: Jul 7, 2010 4:23 PM

    Mike Daly, you are spot on!!!!!!!!

  124. Mike Daly says: Jul 8, 2010 12:44 AM

    Mean and Nasty brings no fact to the table here. He doesn’t want to acknowledge that in a team sport individual performances – and failures – contribute decisively to team success or failure. If he wants to make the point that Peyton Manning is not alone in Colts playoff failure then he’s correct; if he wants to absolve Manning of decisive responsibility for failure – when the facts will not do so – then he’s dishonest.
    He doesn’t want to admit that Peyton Manning cannot beat a real team without divine intervention come playoff time – Manning’s six playoff runs of 1-and-outs and the nature of the teams he’s beaten – and the nature of the teams that have beaten him -show this.
    What’s the biggest difference between Tom Brady, Steve McNair, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino?
    Tom Brady and Steve McNair never cost their team in the Superbowl.

  125. Mike Daly says: Jul 8, 2010 12:47 AM

    Mean and Nasty, for your argument to be credible, you have to prove that the KC Chiefs were a real team, that the Denver Broncos came to play, that the Ravens can beat the Colts, that sickness did not afflict the Patriots defense before the 2006 AFC Title Game, that Lovie Smith and Rex Grossman are real competitors, and that the Jets aren’t the league’s longest-running illusion.
    You can’t.
    That makes you a fraud.

  126. footballfan says: Jul 8, 2010 11:11 AM

    I live in Indy… You can’t diss the Golden Boy here. He does no wrong.

  127. golongboyee says: Jul 8, 2010 2:30 PM

    Mike Daly, It is refreshing to see others who actually use real arguements to prove a point…unlike most manning-lovers who refuse to see any bad……even when the facts point to him being over-rated.

  128. golongboyee says: Jul 8, 2010 3:51 PM

    Mean & Nasty……..yes, It IS a team sport, which is why the Colts need to get 1) a coordinator that calls the plays, 2) A coach that reigns Manning in and 3)Stop running the flag football offense they run which is good enough to beat many stiffs in the regular season but not real teams in the playoffs…..and gets them in trouble in bad weather.

  129. footballfan says: Jul 8, 2010 4:01 PM

    I have lived in Indy since Manning was drafted. Every fan in this town will throw the whole team under the bus to protect the golden boy. I’m not saying Manning is a bad QB, I am saying that I think he is not as great as he is made out to be. From what I have seen if he gets hit a few times in a game it is all over.

  130. golongboyee says: Jul 8, 2010 6:46 PM

    Yup, manning is the modern day Dan Fouts. Throws for a lot of yards (but who wouldn’t with the talent they have around them) but with little to show for it.

  131. Mean and Nasty says: Jul 8, 2010 7:58 PM

    I never said hes the greatest QB of all time. To be honest, I dont even know what that means! Its made up the media so who gives a shit.
    But how can you discount PLAYOFF victories?? Tom Brady beat Jake freakin Delhomme and a vomiting Donovan McNabb in SB wins, and lost to lil brother Eli, and they squeaked by in those wins by a field goal…do you want to take credit away from him too?? Who would these teams have to beat to make you happy??
    If you remember, most people were picking the Chiefs to beat Indy in ’07. Denver was good enough to knock the Pats out of the playoffs in the past, so whats wrong with Indy beating them?? The Pats D didnt look “sick” in the 1st half of the ’07 title game, you cant give the Colts credit for the BIGGEST COMEBACK IN PLAYOFF HISTORY?? The Bears smoked the Saints in the NFC title game, their D was supposed to smother Manning…it didnt happen. What else do you want from me dipshit??

  132. Mean and Nasty says: Jul 8, 2010 8:03 PM

    As for losing to the Steelers, its kinda hard to beat ANYONE no matter who you are when your on your back most of the game! And yet it still came down to a shanked FG at the end of regulation. Its also tough to beat the Chargers when your defense makes Billy Volek look like Johnny Unitas!
    I’m not saying Peyton didnt play a part in the losses, he most certainly did, but to call him out for only beating “weak playoffs teams” is just ridiculous.

  133. Mean and Nasty says: Jul 8, 2010 8:16 PM

    My bad…biggest comeback in CHAMPIONSHIP game history, not playoff history. How could I forget about the Bills-Oilers game? Sorry Bills fans…if there are any of you left!

  134. krazykjun says: Jul 8, 2010 8:36 PM

    i don’t know how mcnair and marino made it into this conversation, they have no rings. except for the saints, there are 30 other teams that would love to have manning. the colts were out-coached, manning and wayne made a mistake, and the saints were just better that day.

  135. golongboyee says: Jul 9, 2010 1:16 AM

    Mean and Nasty………you are about as dumb as they come.
    1)Comparing Brady’s record to manning’s is a joke. Brady has done more with less than Manning throughout his entire career, and he has more to show for it. Brady showed what he can do the first year with Moss……if he had the weapons Manning ALWAYS had, he would have a few more championships.
    2)While we are talking about Brady, he has to play in the elements while manning gets to play about 85% of his games EVERY year either in domes or warm weather cities.
    3) The reason the Colts typiclly have a weak defense (except in the playoffs ironically when Manning won his only SB with a terrible TD-INT ratio)is becasue the Colts always spend 75% of their cap on offense……..and it hasn’t worked.
    4)And yes, always beating he Chiefs and the Broncos in the first rounds of the playoffs does constitute “weak” teams, sorry.

  136. Meat Tuperello says: Jul 9, 2010 12:37 PM

    Hitting the bottle or the grape drank go long boyee?? But on the other hand you are spewing as much ignorance as anyone else in this thread.

  137. golongboyee says: Jul 9, 2010 12:48 PM

    Meat Tuperello – the true sign of ignorance is one who throws stones because he cannot rebut the obvious and blindly believes what he/she WANTS to believe…..and that would be you!!!!
    Than again, “hitting the bottle” is probably something you do quite often………

  138. Dexter-32 says: Jul 12, 2010 1:20 PM

    Brady 2001 6th in scoring, 6th in Points Allowed
    Brady 2003 12th in scoring, 1st in Points Allowed
    Brady 2004 4th in scoring, 2nd in Points Allowed.
    All 3 years with superbowl titles.
    Brady 2007 1st in scoring, 4th in Points Allowed.
    Manning, never had this. He constantly had 31st defenses, 31st rated running games after James. He never had a COMPLETE team. Tom Brady was born with a Matt L as his OT. He had a solid running game, solid line and basically an elite defense to win them championships. I think it’s funny though, now Brady has no run game, awesome duo of Wr’s and can’t win a superbowl anymore.
    You gotta have a run game & defense to win a superbowl for majority of the superbowls. The Saints are still a work in progress.

  139. SeriousRadio says: Jul 14, 2010 2:11 PM

    Mike Daly – so you think Brady didn’t cost the Pats loss in the XLII? After the Giants scored to put them up 17-14, New England began its next possession on its own 26 with 29 seconds remaining and three timeouts. Brady arguably had enough time to work the Pats into FG range. (The Pats had no time outs when they worked the ball down the field against the Rams for a winning FG in SB XXXVI.). Brady seemed to panic in XLII, but he is mortal. So is Peyton.

  140. bjack says: Jul 16, 2010 2:46 PM

    I have watched Super Bowl 44 23 times and the biggest play of the game was when the Colts decided to go for a touchdown on 3rd and 11 in the fourth quarter. IN A CLOSE GAME, EMBRACE THE FIELD GOAL. Stover would have made a 45 yard field goal. Colts would have been up 20-16. Afetr Saints TD, Saints up 23-20. After Porter INT, Saints up 30-20. Colts kick field goal on 4rth down with less than a minute to go and have a chance for an onside kick. (Saints up 30-23). Whoever decided to throw the ball into the endzone on 3rd and 11 causing Stover to try a 51 yard field goal is as much responsible as anyone else for losing the game.

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