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Veteran Jags writer sees "crisis situation" for the team

We’ve noticed a pattern over the past few years.  Whenever anyone dares to suggest that the Jaguars may not survive in Jacksonville given the inability of the franchise, for whatever reason, to sell enough tickets on a consistent basis, the person making the suggestion is characterized as a “hater” or worse, with the same kind of passion that arose last summer in red state/blue state town hall meetings regarding health care.

Even when we pointed out that Vic Ketchman — the editor of the team’s website — declared the effort to be at the “save the whale” juncture, we were called out for not reciting in chapter-and-verse fashion every shred of evidence that possibly points to a happy ending to this story.

But, frankly, it doesn’t matter to us how the story ends.  For now, the point is that the ending isn’t written, and it may be a happy one only for folks in Los Angeles or London.

Now, Vito Stellino of the Florida Times-Union (whom most people don’t think is an idiot) has declared on Twitter that the franchise faces a “crisis situation” in Jacksonville.

He points out that the first home preseason game will occur in six weeks, and that 11,000 tickets must be sold to avoid a local blackout of the game. 

“We may find out in the next six weeks if Jacksonville fans want an NFL team,” Stellino writes.  “Jags fans need to learn a lesson.  They can’t be content to watch games on TV or they
will be watching the Jags on TV playing in another city in a few years.  This is a crisis situation for the Jags
.  All the those fans on the fence need to step up
now
.”

And that’s really the bottom line.  Don’t complain because folks are willing to acknowledge that the chronic inability to sell tickets won’t end well for the town that currently houses the team.  The best way to shut us up is to buy the tickets before it’s too late.

Eventually, it’s going to be too late.

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  1. nfcbeast says: Jul 7, 2010 7:37 PM

    I dont see how people dont go to the games, i lived there about 4 years ago and tickets are cheap!!!
    like 20 bucks a ticket, and thats the ones people sold in the parking lot the day of the game
    I dont get it, I went to the games to see the other teams play….it was great!

  2. PatricktheDookie says: Jul 7, 2010 7:38 PM

    Jacksonville should not be home to an NFL team. The market is too small and Florida is over-saturated with other (better) football teams.

  3. FOOSBALL says: Jul 7, 2010 7:42 PM

    The same thing happened when the Colts left Baltimore. The home fans were complaining that people were telling them that they were moving the team yet would not buy any tickets to keep the team. They would have 20-30k empty seats a game.

  4. jm4385 says: Jul 7, 2010 7:42 PM

    bring in T.O. and have em do sum crunches on the field after each catch. that will fill those 11000 seats.

  5. RyanT. says: Jul 7, 2010 7:44 PM

    If Jacksonville can’t support the team than they need to be moved.
    I’ve always believed that they could’ve massively bolstered their popularity by drafting Tim Tebow.
    The fact that they drafted a 2nd round grade defensive player who hardly anyone had heard of at number 10 in the 1st round, rather than the college superstar hometown hero, shows you that the Jags WANT to move to L.A.
    Hell, Tebow has the number 1 selling jersey in the entire NFL! Pretty impressive for a guy who has yet to even take the field! And, it would’ve been even more impressive had his hometown team drafted him.
    Does anyone honestly believe they would have unsold tickets had they drafted Tim Tebow?

  6. alldayerday says: Jul 7, 2010 7:47 PM

    PatricktheDookie says:
    July 7, 2010 7:38 PM
    Jacksonville should not be home to an NFL team. The market is too small and Florida is over-saturated with other (better) football teams.
    ————————————————–
    better teams? the dolphins maybe but the bucs are trash

  7. Kay Bee says: Jul 7, 2010 7:49 PM

    Not a Jags fan…but I hope they don’t move. It definitely doesn’t look good though.
    If they do move, it better not be London….what a joke that would be!

  8. LincolnHawk says: Jul 7, 2010 7:50 PM

    Hey Florio, I have season tickets. I’ve dragged my friends down to the stadium for them to buy tickets. A lot of people in this city are doing their part and more. At the beginning of the off season, the Jaguars never expected to recover the 17,000 season ticket holders they lost last year, but instead wanted to make a sizable dent. It wasn’t until the success of Team Teal, which you conveniently and often leave out, that they thought they actually might do it. They are holding back 5,500 group ticket sales to keep the sense of urgency. The writers in Jacksonville continue to write about the crisis to keep the urgency. It serves a purpose.
    You pile on with bullshit like we blew our chance by not drafting Tebow, or San Diego has the mayor’s support for a new stadium so it means the Jaguars are moving to LA. The only purpose your story serves is to stir shit up.
    To you, as you even stated above, there seem to be only two outcomes: move to LA or London. You never EVER consider the fact that we may actually pull this off. I seriously hope you’re man enough to eat your crow when we do.

  9. tdowdy11 says: Jul 7, 2010 8:05 PM

    PatricktheDookie says:
    July 7, 2010 7:38 PM
    Jacksonville should not be home to an NFL team. The market is too small and Florida is over-saturated with other (better) football teams.
    —————– ——————– ————-
    better teams? the dolphins maybe but the bucs are trash
    ———————————————————
    I think he meant, the Gators, Seminoles, Canes and the USF Bulls…… they’re all better teams than the Jags

  10. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Jul 7, 2010 8:05 PM

    He points out that the first home preseason game will occur in six weeks, and that 11,000 tickets must be sold to avoid a local blackout of the game.
    =====================================
    Ok, most people might not characterize this guy as an idiot, but he’s skirting idiocy here if he’s really using a PRESEASON GAME to measure the dedication of the fans. I wouldn’t buy tickets to a preseason game if they were a buck a piece (perhaps a LITTLE hyperbole there), because who the hell wants to see some other team’s practice squad play in the 3rd and 4th? Seems to me like Vito Stellino is playing both sides here. On one side, he says the fans need to show up and show the team some support, and on the other, he is really just pointing to a meaningless game as a sign of some inevitable demise.
    Point being, there are much better reasons to say that the Jags are on the verge of having something other than Jacksonville before their name.
    *scoff* PREseason *facepalm*

  11. J. Clayton says: Jul 7, 2010 8:07 PM

    Dude –
    That stadium will be sold.
    Jags are never leaving that city.
    This isn’t news –
    DEAD ZONE.

  12. winslow says: Jul 7, 2010 8:10 PM

    How can the fans stay away from such a great franchise? Just watching all those Super Bowl banners proudly waving in the breeze would be worth the price of admission.

  13. TealDeal says: Jul 7, 2010 8:21 PM

    How many tickets are the Bucs holding?
    Lets see the numbers for every team. We got 11k. Biggest sales month is July.
    I hear tell that the Bucs have 25k or something to unload?
    When the Jags are still in Jax in 5 years, you can all suck it.

  14. john says: Jul 7, 2010 8:23 PM

    the jags have sold 12k+ new season tickets and that 11k number is actually closer to 5k once all the group sales are counted…
    this is definitely a pressing time for the jags, but why do you feel the need to bring it up on a weekly basis?…how about the bucs??? they’re more than 20k in the hole right now? how about the raiders? let this all sort itself out and then comment on it
    10-15 years ago Indianapolis’ market was too small, they couldn’t sell tickets and they were going to be the team that moved…lay the hell off and give us a chance

  15. evilboy128 says: Jul 7, 2010 8:24 PM

    just gonna beat it to death aren’t ya,Florio. All trying desperately to make people ignore that the Vikings, not the Jags will be the next to move. That’s what the FACTS say Florio. You know, FACTS? that thing you ignore again and again and again. That thing REAL reporters are supposed to have before they report LIES. F**K YOU, Florio. Let it go.

  16. twinkletoes says: Jul 7, 2010 8:26 PM

    Only Jacksonville? The dire economic environment in Florida threatens both the Jags’ and the Bucs’ futures in that state. Now the Bucs situation would be much less dire, except that they’re owned by the broke-ass Glazers. They’re gonna have to raise funds to help pay off the ridiculous tab they owe in the U.K.
    The NFL needs to come to grips with the reality that what’s happening all across this county on a macroeconomic level is Defcon 1. It’s surprising that some team hasn’t already scrambled to fill the enormous void in L.A. I guess everybody’s waiting for the ink to dry on a stadium deal down there. They wait at their own peril.
    By 2011, “contraction,” as opposed to “expansion” will be the mantra in the NFL, as economic darwinism separates the wheat from the chaff. It wouldn’t surprise me to see the NFL forced to downsize the number of teams it currently has. There will be a “contraction draft” in the spring of 2011. Veterans from those defunct teams will have their contracts voided as a result of their former employers’ bankruptcies. That outta make for must watch TV.
    Stellino incorrectly questions whether or not Jacksonville fans want an NFL team. Of course they do. What he fails to consider is whether those fans can afford an NFL team, given the current economic quicksand they find themselves in. If the opportunity cost to taking a family of four out to watch a preseason game is failing the pay the utility bills, well then…
    Professional sports are a useful distraction for all of us, but hardly a necessary one. The Jags, like the rest of the NFL don’t operate in a vacuum. Money talks, bull—t walks; that should be the eleventh Commandment. It was overwhelmingly obvious that the people of Jacksonville voted overwhelmingly during this past regular season. The Jaguars’ ownership needs to start making plans.
    Too bad Denver beat them to the punch on drafting the fifth Beatle from Florida.

  17. dafish says: Jul 7, 2010 8:27 PM

    I am eagerly awaiting the articles about the Buccaneers ticket woes, as well as Raiders and others.

  18. dafish says: Jul 7, 2010 8:29 PM

    FOOSBALL says:
    July 7, 2010 7:42 PM
    The same thing happened when the Colts left Baltimore. The home fans were complaining that people were telling them that they were moving the team yet would not buy any tickets to keep the team. They would have 20-30k empty seats a game.
    —————————-
    really? They didn’t move for a better (newer) stadium?

  19. moolah954 says: Jul 7, 2010 8:32 PM

    @alldayerday -better teams? the dolphins maybe but the bucs are trash- ————————- thats a very good point..and the Bucs have been trash for years and we don’t ever hear about them leaving Tampa/St. Pete that town supported that team and there is more to do in Tampa then just watch football ….. I used to live in Jacksonville and that football team is all that town has to offer (unless you count the Landing) but trust me if that team goes Jacksonville is just another truck stop on the way to Miami…. I tell people who lived in Florida there whole lives i used to live in Jacksonville and there two questions are either Why?? or where is that??

  20. JackDiesel says: Jul 7, 2010 8:34 PM

    I hate the Bucs but I can tell they are defenitely going in the right direction as far as rebuilding. They made out like a bandit in this last draft, McCoy, Price, Benn, and Williams could turn out to be a steal if he gets his act together.
    Lets pray that London never gets an NFL team.

  21. theravenlives2 says: Jul 7, 2010 8:35 PM

    The same thing happened when the Colts left Baltimore. The home fans were complaining that people were telling them that they were moving the team yet would not buy any tickets to keep the team. They would have 20-30k empty seats a game.
    ————————————————
    Ummm, sorry, that was not the case. Do the Jags have an owner who goes on local TV, drunk out of his mind, and says “I’m not gonna move the God damn team.”? Do the Jags have an owner who sold off David Gerrard, Maurice Jones-Drew and all the other good players because he was too cheap to pay them? Remember, this was in the era (1983-84) when the NFL had NO SALARY CAP or SALARY FLOOR. Did Wayne Weaver trade away a future Hall of Famer without telling his General Manager, who was already talking to his agent and working out a deal (please, don’t even compare Tebow and Elway)?
    These situations have almost nothing in common. I love how people take the modern-day situation in the NFL and apply it to the Baltimore Colts of 1984. Back then, Irsay could be as cheap as he wanted, and put whatever crappy product he wanted on the field. That’s EXACTLY what he did. Comparing today’s Jags to the 1984 Baltimore Colts is like comparing Apples and Cadillacs.
    Come to think of it, they DO have one thing in common…the NFL writer for the Baltimore Sun when the Colts left was…you guessed it…Vito Stellino (yes, the same Vito Stellino).

  22. ravenfan820 says: Jul 7, 2010 8:36 PM

    When Baltimore got screwed in the expansion that put Jacksonville in the league, Tagliabue told Baltimore to take the money for our stadium and build a museum.
    Maybe Jacksonville can turn their stadium into a museum for Tagliabue….not them I am bitter….:)

  23. Karl says: Jul 7, 2010 8:42 PM

    And no matter how much you get called a hater or whatever, Jacksonville will still not show up to the games. And it’s probably the people not buying tickets that are calling you a hater.

  24. El Perro says: Jul 7, 2010 8:43 PM

    Bring them down to San Antonio! Dallas is overrated and Houston can’t get over the hump..

  25. manoleisure says: Jul 7, 2010 8:45 PM

    No question, the Jags had a unique opportunity in this year’s draft.
    There was a quarterback in the draft who was a local high school legend, setting the Florida HS record for passing yards while leading Nease to a state championship. He then went 60 miles down the road and became one of the most decorated players in the history of college football. He is the most, famous person, not athlete, in Jacksonville. If people think he’s been overexposed in the national media they would really get a kick out of the Times Union (the local paper) over the last few years. Like him or not (and many don’t), his presence looms large in Jacksonville. Anyone who disputes this either doesn’t live in town or sits in their room with the lights off all day.
    Then you have the Jags, who have a major ticket sales problem, a qb in his mid 30s with only 2 years left on his deal, and, oh yeah, A MAJOR TICKET SALES PROBLEM. They’re not winning anyway and they could use a young qb to develop behind Garrard (ala Rivers, Rodgers, etc.), and selling out the stadium wouldn’t be a bad side effect. And yes, the people of Jacksonville would sell out the stadium just to see Tebow hold a clipboard. Don’t believe me? Wait and see what the only home sellout will be this year…week 1 vs Denver. Count on it.
    So, who could possibly be stupid enough to screw up this dream scenario, the local legend saving his hometown franchise?
    His name is Gene Smith. And anytime I hear a loyal Jag fan praise Smith I cringe, for they are the tragically ignorant. I really believe these people love the Jags and want them to stay in town, they just don’t realize that Smith’s actions since he has taken over have been the final nail in the coffin for pro football in Jacksonville. The man has drafted an astonishing 6 D2 football players in a 2 year span, while seemingly ignoring big-time, “name” talent that other teams seem to have no problem winning with, and they don’t face the same ticket sales issues as the Jags. What’s really galling is how Smith and his spin machine (looking at you, Vic Ketchman) proclaim some of these picks “blue chippers” without one shred of on-field evidence that they can play. Not only does this kill them on the field (see last year’s secondary and o-line), it turns well meaning football fans into ignorant fools because they listen to and regurgitate this drivel.
    The most prominent example of this is Derek Cox. If I hear one more person call him a blue-chipper I’m gonna puke. Why do you people think this kid can play, because he looks good in a uniform? Here’s the truth: according to nfl.com, Cox was the most targeted db in the entire league last year. Not surprising, considering he was a rookie from a small school and was playing opposite Mathis. However, he was also second worst in the NFL in pct. of completions allowed. Think about that. That means no other db was thrown at more and only 1 db in the whole league had less success preventing a completion than Cox. That means, effectively, Cox was the WORST DB IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE last year. Yet because of the spin job done by Smith & co. the drooling masses actually use this guy as an EXAMPLE when defending Gene’s drafting!! It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. Watch the games, people. And, realistically, will it get much better this year? Mathis is still on the other side, do you think Manning or Schaub is thinking, “boy, that Cox is back for a second year…”?
    The future looks pretty bleak for the Jags here in Jax. And one thing’s for certain: Jacksonville will never get another shot at an NFL franchise. Remember this Jag fans: Gene Smith (unlike Wayne Weaver) has no ties whatsoever to Jacksonville. He could care less if the city keeps the team, he would keep his job if the franchise moved to another town. Wake up.

  26. tebowsvirginity says: Jul 7, 2010 8:47 PM

    hater

  27. jerry's kids says: Jul 7, 2010 8:48 PM

    L.A. needs a team because California is hurting

  28. hotchick says: Jul 7, 2010 9:07 PM

    Charlotte wass the next Atlanta and they pulled it off. Talking cities here. Jacksonville was the next Charlotte and that expectation probably helped them get a franchise. But Really Jax has failed to follow Atlanta and Charlotte. Like people say, what’s the draw? Come on, the Landing? Yeah its nice, but most cities have a version of it.
    As for the blame the economy angle. Do people really want to pretend the talk of the Jags possibly needing to move only started in the last couple years? I think those seats were covered with a tarp before the housing bubble burst.
    If you want to claim every city probably has issues selling tickets, well you should recall that most cities sell their entire season on a season ticket bases. Those that don’t release the few unsolds they have and see them gobbled up on a single game basis. A few may see a dog match-up not sell out until just before game time. Like when Seatle travels to a non division game. But no there is not going to be rampant black outs in the NFL.
    BUT….at the same time, if we are going to measure how popular a team is be the single game sales of their first pre-season game…… Come on that is ludicrious. NO ONE really wants to buy a ticket to that game for ANY team.
    If a Jag fan is on the fence about buying tickets, he is going to wait until single game seats are available and cherry pick what he wants. He is not going to jump off and buy pre-season game 1.
    As for Tebow, picking him with the 10th overall pick in the draft (when the concensous is still that Denver was foolish where they got him) would have been a clean signal that managment does not know what it takes to put a winning team on the field. The goal is to win, not to draft the most popular player.
    When everybody already owns the jersey’s of the players they like, its easy for a rookie to have the best selling jersey. If I already have a Manning or Brady jersey, why would I have bought one this spring? Where nobody had a Denver Tebow jersey AND he had two markets to sell to. Denver fans and Gator fans. Put him in Jax and he would only sell jersey’s to Gator fans.
    Point is the jersey sale ranking is nice until you look below the surface. He is a popular guy, but he is not the next Hanna Montana.

  29. ras6111 says: Jul 7, 2010 9:07 PM

    If you are just going to re-type what other people wrote on twitter, why don’t I just sign up for twitter. When do you actually contribute something, once a week? Then you give a half ass opinion that any armchair QB could give. This site is going down the toilet quickly. If these idiots on here weren’t so starved for anything football related, this site would be empty. Can we talk about the Madden Ratings now?

  30. J. Clayton says: Jul 7, 2010 9:11 PM

    There will not be any blackouts this season in JAX.
    That team is in JAX forever.
    And it won’t be long before they own that division.

  31. Jaxuar says: Jul 7, 2010 9:15 PM

    All of you please google an image of this guy Vito Stellino and tell me if he looks like a bright human being!

  32. WaffleStomp says: Jul 7, 2010 9:19 PM

    The simple fact that Green Bay, as the smallest market in all sports, has sold out all of their games since 1960 and continue to do so, makes Jacksonville look silly and stupid.

  33. PatPatriotRules says: Jul 7, 2010 9:19 PM

    Just look at what happened to the Patriots back in 1993…They almost leave….then they find a smart local buisnessman (Robert Kraft) to buy them….then he hires a smart football man (Bill Parcells) to run them….it all takes care of itself then

  34. robigd says: Jul 7, 2010 9:26 PM

    @manoleisure,
    Tune in September 12th, and you will see why the Jags choose Tyson Alualu and not Tim Tebow.

  35. dafish says: Jul 7, 2010 9:30 PM

    RyanT. says:
    July 7, 2010 7:44 PM
    If Jacksonville can’t support the team than they need to be moved.
    I’ve always believed that they could’ve massively bolstered their popularity by drafting Tim Tebow.
    The fact that they drafted a 2nd round grade defensive player who hardly anyone had heard of at number 10 in the 1st round, rather than the college superstar hometown hero, shows you that the Jags WANT to move to L.A.
    Hell, Tebow has the number 1 selling jersey in the entire NFL! Pretty impressive for a guy who has yet to even take the field! And, it would’ve been even more impressive had his hometown team drafted him.
    Does anyone honestly believe they would have unsold tickets had they drafted Tim Tebow?
    ———————————–
    I sure as hell do. Tebow would have been good for MAYBE 3,000 extra season tickets. Studies were done, and not sure if the rest of the US realizes this, but the Gators are a notoriously cheap and fickle bunch. When they lost to Bama, they did not sell their allotment of Sugar Bowl tickets, and many “Bull Gators” were giving their tickets away on the radio.
    When people who pass themselves off as experts like Florio try to correlate jersey sales with season ticket sales, I just have to laugh. Then the LA talk. Not a shovel of dirt has been dug and LA already has a team.
    I have season tickets myself for the Jags. The 30 for 30 plan was too good to pass up. I also realize that there is a cachet that comes along with having an NFL team.
    Bottom line is this Florio. Only one guy can really say the team is gone. The other owners can press all they want, but if the owners really had the stroke to force other owners to give up their teams, then how the hell did Irsay, Al Davis, Bud Adams, Hugh Culverhouse, the Fords, Tom Benson, or Georgia Frontiere hold on to their teams all those years?
    Weaver is not going to just sell the team outright while he’s still in relative good health. This is his legacy. Plus the matter of the ridiculous payback to the city for breaking the stadium lease.
    2 years of tepid fan support and we’re gone? Really? The local hacks have written these articles repeatedly the past couple of years during the dead zone.
    Sorry that we have the gall to defend ourselves as Jaguars fans.
    Again, I eagerly await the first article on the Buccaneers ticket woes.

  36. aj says: Jul 7, 2010 9:31 PM

    San Antonio?
    Why would the NFL move a team from one city that’s incapable of supporting a franchise to another without the business base or stadium?
    SA is Jerry’s World South in terms of fanbase and this list is a big reason why all but one of the major pro teams in Texas are based in DFW and Houston.
    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2009/states/TX.html
    And please don’t say the Alamodome is NFL caliber just because the Saints played a few emergency games there. Annual college bowl game? Yes. Long term sustainable venue for the NFL? Heyal no.

  37. Midwest FB Fan says: Jul 7, 2010 9:33 PM

    What makes everybody think LA should get a team? That city had two teams in it at one time and even they couldn’t survive. Al Davis will tell you that one of the reasons he left LA was because the Coliseam was constantly 1/2 full.
    I know LA is the second largest media market in the US, but let’s get real – LA is a basketball, showtime town.

  38. J. Clayton says: Jul 7, 2010 9:34 PM

    manoleisure -
    Stop sniffing glue.
    And go watch the Senior Bowl.
    I like Tim … but come on dude –
    “Dream Scenario”?????
    How bout this …
    Jacksonville and it’s football fans have a little growing up to do … and you’re whole rant is a wonderful example of that.

  39. dafish says: Jul 7, 2010 9:44 PM

    Hotchick,
    The below stadiums have seating capacities below Jacksonville Municipal Stadium:
    Qwest Field 67,000 Seattle Washington FieldTurf Seattle Seahawks 2002 [28]
    Edward Jones Dome 66,965 St. Louis Missouri AstroTurf GameDay Grass 3D St. Louis Rams 1995 [29]
    Lucas Oil Stadium 66,153 Indianapolis Indiana FieldTurf Indianapolis Colts 2008 [30]
    Raymond James Stadium 65,857 Tampa Florida Grass Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1998 [31]
    Paul Brown Stadium 65,790 Cincinnati Ohio FieldTurf Cincinnati Bengals 2000 [32]
    Heinz Field 65,050 Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Grass Pittsburgh Steelers 2001 [33]
    Ford Field 64,500 Detroit Michigan FieldTurf Detroit Lions 2002 [34]
    Mall of America Field at Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 64,121 Minneapolis Minnesota FieldTurf Minnesota Vikings 1982 [35]
    University of Phoenix Stadium 63,400 Glendale Arizona Grass Arizona Cardinals 2006 [36]
    Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum 63,026 Oakland California Grass Oakland Raiders 1966 [37]
    Soldier Field 61,500 Chicago Illinois Grass Chicago Bears 2003 [38]
    The above are the stadiums that rank below JMS (67,164) in seating capacity. Jacksonville Municipal Stadium – 76,877 (without tarp covered seats), expandable to 84,000 (and I believe 92K with bleachers for the FL/GA game. At the 76K number there are only 4 stadiums that have a greater capacity. Our stadium is simply too big for the market, save the Gator Bowl and Florida/Georgia games. The tarps came on and the national ridicule began. 76K was the norm in attendance but the newness factor eventually wore off. I attended many a game where the Matthews and Hart Bridges were gridlocked for hours.
    Super Bowl I had 65K in attendance at the Rose Bowl. 35K below the capacity.
    My honest assessment is that no one is going to LA for at least 5 years minimum, barring the death of an owner.

  40. Fonetik says: Jul 7, 2010 9:51 PM

    J. Clayton says: July 7, 2010 9:11 PM
    There will not be any blackouts this season in JAX.
    ———————–
    Uh oh, somebody’s been drinking tonight…

  41. fldore says: Jul 7, 2010 10:00 PM

    NFL franchises dont leave cities because of attendance issues. Never have. Never will. Its always stadium issues.
    Why did the Baltimore Colts leave? because they were unhappy with the stadium.
    Why did the Browns leave? Because Modell is a punk and wanted the stadium improved.
    Why did the Raiders and Rams leave LA? Because the Coliseum is a dump.
    If attendance were the reason, why did the Patriots never leave? They had attendance issues far worse than Jacksonville.
    If attendance were the reason, why did the arizona cardinals stay put? they had games with less than 20k fans.
    Teams dont leave because of attendance issues.

  42. MNFANINAZ says: Jul 7, 2010 10:08 PM

    With Jack Del Rio and Mike Tice running the show…
    no way, Jose…

  43. jaxBill says: Jul 7, 2010 10:09 PM

    Read Tony Boselli’s blog about his efforts to help the Jags sell tickets through my Team Teal.
    http://myteamteal.com/Blog.aspx
    Two weeks ago, the real number was 6,500 (with group sales factored in).
    Nobody talks about his other numbers – 90% renewal from last year & 12,000 new season tickets.

  44. SixburghDynasty says: Jul 7, 2010 10:35 PM

    The Jaguars and their fans are wastes. They need to just bite the bullet and move the team already. If the locals want to watch college ball only and keep that stadium for 1 game per year then so be it.
    Funny thing is here in Pittsburgh, you could give us an arena league squad and there’s a solid chance we’d outdraw the Jaguar fans.

  45. dafish says: Jul 7, 2010 10:44 PM

    MNFAN,
    you are aware that Tice is gone, right? TE coach at Chicago.

  46. Geetee52 says: Jul 7, 2010 10:49 PM

    They shoulda picked Tebow.
    Love him or hate him…he’s already the #1 selling NFL jersey…and I can’t help thinking the ticket problem would have evaporated if the Jags had picked him. In North Florida…to say Tebow is the most popular athlete there EVER…would still be an understatement.
    The Jags can blather on that they did the right thing for the team in their draft…but how naive and/or stupid was that? A winning team is nice…GREAT…but the #1 priority is having black ink on the bottom line.
    The Jags were handed a golden solution to their problem and they blew it.
    -GT

  47. J. Clayton says: Jul 7, 2010 11:03 PM

    Seriously — there will not be any blackouts in JAX.
    That stadium is going to be sold.
    When that happens, I’d like to cordially invite you all to line up single file and consume my fecal matter.

  48. WingT says: Jul 7, 2010 11:31 PM

    Move the team. Send it to a market that really wants a NFL football team

  49. Richierich420 says: Jul 7, 2010 11:32 PM

    Let me get this straight, the Jags get as much money from Tebow’s jersey sales as Denver does, thanks to revenue sharing, without having to draft him. Tebow would have sold 2000-2500 season tickets for the Jaguars and season tickets are up over 12,000 from last year without him. Sounds like the best thing for the Jaguars was not drafting Tebow.

  50. monet99 says: Jul 7, 2010 11:42 PM

    Tebow would not save franchise when he is 3rd string. Would look great on bench.

  51. J. Clayton says: Jul 8, 2010 12:17 AM

    “Saving” the Jags would come by the winning of the division and some more playoff wins …
    Not by some dude who would ride the pine for 4 years then retire.

  52. Geetee52 says: Jul 8, 2010 12:57 AM

    Obviously, there isn’t…but…I wish there were a way to bet the over/under on whether Tebow would have added 2500 season ticket holders in Jax. (Other than maybe Lynyrd Skynyrd, who has Jax ever had as hometown heroes?) I am a Hurricane fan thru and thru…and hate ALL things Gatorized…including TT. I can only grudgingly say in all the years I’ve followed college and pro football, I’ve never seen a fan base as passionate about one player as North Florida fans are about him. I might be a sucker, but I would take the same bet if it were 10,000.

  53. harloeisdead says: Jul 8, 2010 2:44 AM

    A certain someone mentioned in this “article” is going to write a little piece within the next couple of months. It will be forwarded to the people who run this site several times over, no doubt, but don’t expect to see it posted on PFT.
    A little bit o’ Texas Pete, folks. It’ll help the crow go down.

  54. shadowflames43 says: Jul 8, 2010 3:00 AM

    Twinkletoes is an idiot if he thinks the nfl is at risk of shrinking. The nfl could probably grow short of a serious economic collapse.
    As for the ‘anti-LA’ crowd that points out two teams left? Most people fail to realize the blackout rule was initially made to get the LA to make a new stadium 35 years ago. The Rams left to a new venue which had good numbers until the raiders came in. The colisseum is a 100,000 seat stadium, and would likely have trouble selling now. And they had two teams to share the fans. 60 of 200 home games were played simultaneously. And they didn’t do poorly, just not 160,000 tickets. Considering the growth of the city and the football deprived culture, the new team would have to be beyond awful to not sell a 70,000 stadium out.
    Also, another thing that must be mentioned is price range. The raiders made more money selling less tickets last year. And all the deals suggest a price drop.

  55. sharkattack says: Jul 8, 2010 3:27 AM

    Professional sports are a useful distraction for all of us, but hardly a necessary one.
    ——————————
    Really?
    Football is so vital to my existence, that I check this damn site every day.

  56. robhug71 says: Jul 8, 2010 3:34 AM

    Jags fans are disrespectful chumps. cleveland would kill for the success jacksonville has had. move the team out of the retirement city.

  57. lololnpnp says: Jul 8, 2010 7:15 AM

    Hahaha, all you idiots still talking about Tebow should really quit watching football. You’re obviously not a fan who understands the game and I pray you don’t go to bars spewing your idiotic opinions. How is Tebow working out at quarterback right now anyway? Oh yeah, he’ll be a fullback in a year or two nevermind.
    For those of you saying the games will not be blacked out and the stadium will be purchased…ummm I really don’t know what to say. How you can live here and not understand just how stupid those comments are belies logic. Sad thing is they are consistently a decent team but the fans/city completely blow.

  58. zappa says: Jul 8, 2010 7:30 AM

    Mike Tice – OL coach, Chicago Bears.

  59. Brohamma says: Jul 8, 2010 7:51 AM

    Richierich420 says:
    July 7, 2010 11:32 PM
    “Sounds like the best thing for the Jaguars was not drafting Tebow.”
    ————————————————-
    Actually, the best thing for the Jaguars was the “Save the Whales” cry. LOL!!
    I anoint thee “Jacksonville Humpbacks.”

  60. nowayla says: Jul 8, 2010 8:21 AM

    NOWAYLA.com
    LA Stadium deals aren’t doing too well. Who cares about the preseason games? They don’t sell well in other cities either. Jags regular season games won’t be blacked out.
    Vito’s comments though are appropriate.

  61. jj jones says: Jul 8, 2010 8:21 AM

    “robhug71 says:
    July 8, 2010 3:34 AM
    Jags fans are disrespectful chumps. cleveland would kill for the success jacksonville has had. move the team out of the retirement city. ”
    I think Cleveland will have other concerns after today.

  62. dafish says: Jul 8, 2010 8:47 AM

    shadowflames43 says:
    July 8, 2010 3:00 AM
    Twinkletoes is an idiot if he thinks the nfl is at risk of shrinking. The nfl could probably grow short of a serious economic collapse.
    As for the ‘anti-LA’ crowd that points out two teams left? Most people fail to realize the blackout rule was initially made to get the LA to make a new stadium 35 years ago. The Rams left to a new venue which had good numbers until the raiders came in. The colisseum is a 100,000 seat stadium, and would likely have trouble selling now. And they had two teams to share the fans. 60 of 200 home games were played simultaneously. And they didn’t do poorly, just not 160,000 tickets. Considering the growth of the city and the football deprived culture, the new team would have to be beyond awful to not sell a 70,000 stadium out.
    Also, another thing that must be mentioned is price range. The raiders made more money selling less tickets last year. And all the deals suggest a price drop.
    ————————-
    huh?
    Not true. The blackout rule was established in the early 50s when gate revenue was the primary source of income for teams. Ironically LA was the reason for it as the fans figured why pay to go when we can see the games for free.
    ALL home games were blacked out regardless of sell out AND regardless of whether it was the Championship game. In the Nixon years the blackout rules were loosened so that home teams that sold out (primarily then the George Allen coached Redskins) within a certain time-frame could make their product available to those who did not have a ticket. The politicos in DC who did not have tickets to the game forced this into play.
    As for LA. As an outsider, I see a couple of things that make me scratch my head. 1) Who will privately finance a stadium 100% unless they already own the team? 2) If not 100% financed, how are you going to float that to a populace who sees a state that is broke? 3) If Roski, how can he get in the GOB club and will he divest himself of his casinos? 4) If the group that owns Staples, etc. will they divest themselves of their MLS holdings? NFL is pretty strict on the joint ownership in American pro leagues; not sure if MLS is in play. 5) You really think Wayne Weaver is going to just up and sell his team? There’s are about 10 other guys who have a say in that deal too.

  63. jj jones says: Jul 8, 2010 10:48 AM

    “WaffleStomp says:
    July 7, 2010 9:19 PM
    The simple fact that Green Bay, as the smallest market in all sports, has sold out all of their games since 1960 and continue to do so, makes Jacksonville look silly and stupid.”
    That’s why they used to play half their games in Milwaukee, right?

  64. dafish says: Jul 8, 2010 11:08 AM

    Did he really use Green Bay as the benchmark?
    You mean the same team with 4 or 5 generations of fans and tradition?
    Try Tampa or Seattle or even Indy.

  65. Jag4Life says: Jul 8, 2010 12:46 PM

    Yes, he did use Green Bay as a benchmark. I’ve been to Green Bay a few times and of course everyone goes to Packer games. What else are you going to do?

  66. Bious says: Jul 8, 2010 4:18 PM

    Jacksonville has always had a solid team and outside of their playoffs, they are embarrassing themselves with the little-to-no support they give
    They deserve to lose their team….period

  67. joe.attaboy says: Jul 10, 2010 4:32 PM

    Would those of you from outside the Jacksonville area, most of whom know nothing about this team or this community, just take a peek at this, and tell me if this guy is someone you’d listen to regarding a “crisis”?
    I read the guy, but every time I see him, I keep thinking he escaped from the cast of “Three’s Company.”
    Vito has no more insight into this than anyone else. Anyone that frets about 11,000 unsold tickets for a preseason game needs to have his head examined.
    The Jaguars aren’t going anywhere.

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