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Packers financials raise specter of unshared revenues

In response to our item regarding the Packers’ claim that increases in player costs are outpacing revenue by a 2-to-1 rate, Ross Tucker of SI.com and Sirius NFL Radio and probably some other outlets we can’t think of at the moment raised a great point on Twitter.

If the salary cap (which applied during the term of the Packers’ most recent fiscal year) arises from a fixed percentage of revenue, how can player costs be growing at twice the speed of revenues?

Here’s the answer.  Packers CEO Mark Murphy said that the team’s “local revenues” have been flat since 2007.  So the growth has come from revenues shared by all teams.  And because the salary cap and floor were determined by total revenues, shared and unshared, the small-market Packers are experiencing the pinch of other teams’ revenues driving up every team’s player costs.

So when Murphy says that the current system creates a “non-sustainable model,” the real problem from the Packers’ standpoint arises from the fact that other teams are experiencing enough of a rise in local, unshared revenues to chew more deeply into the Packers’ total profits, since player costs are determined by the combined revenues of all teams.

Thus, instead of taking money back from the players, the league should perhaps be revisiting supplemental revenue sharing, the current needs-based strategy for redistributing unshared money. 

Then again, that’s far easier said than done.

Four years ago, owners squabbled loudly and repeatedly about revenue sharing, with guys like Cowboys owner Jerry Jones calling out Bengals president Mike Brown for failing to sell the naming rights to the stadium named after Brown’s father.  The final combined labor/supplemental revenue sharing deal that was jammed through over the objection of only Brown and Bills owner Ralph Wilson gave players 59 cents of every dollar earned, and created the Band-Aid system for funneling money to the haves from the have mores.

In the months leading up to the next new labor deal, the owners have managed to keep a lid on the deep differences regarding the ongoing problem of unshared revenues.  And they’ll keep trying to do so, in the hopes of demonstrating a united front to the NFLPA.  But the Packers’ situation points to a big part of the problem being not the money paid to players but the revenues shared — and not shared — by the 32 franchises.

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  1. robert ethen says: Jul 14, 2010 2:29 PM

    Well, the NFL is a big family, and like all families the problems usually arise from “unshared revenue”.

  2. GBP says: Jul 14, 2010 2:36 PM

    The good news for the Pack is not only do they not have debt, but they have something like $230 million in the bank to run the team on for multiple years, without any income.

  3. zappa says: Jul 14, 2010 2:42 PM

    Time for them broke Packer players and Packer fans to start sharing that battery operated dildo.

  4. twizzlystick says: Jul 14, 2010 2:44 PM

    This is exactly what I’ve been trying to warn all of you Packer fans about for months.

  5. pervy harvin says: Jul 14, 2010 2:44 PM

    vikings fans…i propose we ignore Packer stories and watch them become instinct….

  6. MotorCityKitties says: Jul 14, 2010 2:45 PM

    Sell more cheese block hats at the stadium and quit crying. Maybe if you sold the licensing of those cheese block hats to Milwaukee’s Best and painted them camoflauge then sales would increase, d-bags. Hate this team, F em.

  7. downwithdansnyder says: Jul 14, 2010 2:50 PM

    even with revenue sharing if ticket and beer prices are flat and player costs go up that could account for the difference.

  8. Osterhouse says: Jul 14, 2010 2:55 PM

    GBP says:
    July 14, 2010 2:36 PM
    The good news for the Pack is not only do they not have debt, but they have something like $230 million in the bank to run the team on for multiple years, without any income.
    ———
    $230 mill is nothing

  9. bigrig says: Jul 14, 2010 2:58 PM

    Revenue sharing, much like unions, once had a place it’s place.
    But now, even the bottom feeders in the NFL are worth 7 figures. If the have-nots can’t generate the cash flow to compete with the haves, then sell the team to someone who can.
    And before anyone makes the claim it will make the NFL be like MLB, more teams [18] have won the World Series since free agency began in 1976 than have won the SB [15] in that same time frame.
    Moral of the story: It’s not how much money you have to operate with, it’s how you use it. You can give the Bengals, Browns, Bills, and Lions all the money in the world and they still wouldn’t win.

  10. pervy harvin says: Jul 14, 2010 3:00 PM

    Thanks for letting me beat up on you Packer douchers,I really have enjoyed it. Even though your posts bordered on mental masturbation,was enjoyable. I am retiring from PFT to pursue a hazardous endeavor. Heres to always losing to the Vikings!

  11. Dead Coach says: Jul 14, 2010 3:01 PM

    Since the Packers have to publish their financial statements, is there a link that will get us to a copy of the published statements? Not trying to slight your financial expertise, or that of the other reporters involved, but I’d kind of like to see the audited statements and figure stuff out for myself.

  12. twizzlystick says: Jul 14, 2010 3:03 PM

    I for one hope that the Packers can somehow be rescued from the financial and competitive oblivion that they are freefalling into.

  13. DrakeDB says: Jul 14, 2010 3:03 PM

    Gawd you’re boring the crap out of me with this stuff.
    And please quit it with the freakin’ “Favre Watch” stories too. Please.
    God Almighty, another summer of daily Favre posts and I’ll be outa here for good, I promise.

  14. mrcmos says: Jul 14, 2010 3:05 PM

    Pervy:
    You are such a complete moron! Don’t you mean extinct as in no more, non existent?
    What a putz!
    Something along the lines of the Viqueens Super Bowl trophy case.

  15. HC says: Jul 14, 2010 3:06 PM

    If the Packers need more revenue, all they have to do keep raising ticket prices till that waiting list gets down under five figures.

  16. forthelove says: Jul 14, 2010 3:07 PM

    “So when Murphy says that the current system creates a “non-sustainable model,” the real problem from the Packers’ standpoint arises from the fact that other teams are experiencing enough of a rise in local, unshared revenues to chew more deeply into the Packers’ total profits, since player costs are determined by the combined revenues of all teams.”
    Good point. Wasn’t it two of the small market teams that opposed the current CBA at the outset? I think(?) Bengals and Bills owners opposed.

  17. forthelove says: Jul 14, 2010 3:09 PM

    @pervy harvin- I’m guessing you meant “exctinct”. I’m a Raiders fan and even WE would get that one right!

  18. brownsfn says: Jul 14, 2010 3:09 PM

    @ percy harvin
    I think you mean EXtinct…

  19. Matt S. says: Jul 14, 2010 3:11 PM

    “instinct”
    Pervy proving the IQ of Viqueens fans yet again.

  20. pervy harvin says: Jul 14, 2010 3:11 PM

    mrcmos- i meant what i said…instinct…think about it…adios

  21. generalbo says: Jul 14, 2010 3:14 PM

    pervy harvin says:
    July 14, 2010 3:00 PM
    Thanks for letting me beat up on you Packer douchers,I really have enjoyed it. Even though your posts bordered on mental masturbation,was enjoyable. I am retiring from PFT to pursue a hazardous endeavor. Heres to always losing to the Vikings!
    Before you go, just always remember one thing.
    Super Bowl Rings:
    Packers: 3
    Vikings: 0
    For this reason, your team will forever be inferior.

  22. GobiasINC_1 says: Jul 14, 2010 3:14 PM

    pervy, if you really are retiring from PFT the world is a much better place. Less unbridled, sophomoric hate and intolerance. Thank you for hanging it up.
    Here’s to always, the Vikings blowing it when it matters most!

  23. Johnnyb612 says: Jul 14, 2010 3:14 PM

    pervy harvin says:
    July 14, 2010 2:44 PM
    vikings fans…i propose we ignore Packer stories and watch them become instinct….
    ———————————————–
    You must mean EXTINCT you illiterate piece of dogshit! Just like the viqueens would already be EXTINCT if they didn’t get welfare money from the Packers every year. Heres to another team of losers breaking away from the state of losers; Minnesota. Also, you cant ignore Packer stories because you wouldnt have any reason to live anymore. Now return your mothers belongings back to her nightstand. Her shift is almost over.

  24. mrcmos says: Jul 14, 2010 3:17 PM

    Pervy you moron:
    I thought you were leaving?????
    Log off, Go Away

  25. BuckyBadger says: Jul 14, 2010 3:17 PM

    One problem that I don’t think many see is that the fan base for the Packers is becoming just a local one with the league expanding. If you talk to some old timers in different areas [I live in Denver now] you will find a lot of guys who are Packer fans [almost every major city has a Packer bar] and many of them have never been to Wisconsin. In the 1960s the Packers had a brand name that was nationally recognized because they were one of the dominate franchises. Not too different than the Yankees have now. With the league expanding to different areas of the country and with league parity the team isn’t as nationally loved as it once was. I feel this might have something to do with local revenue not being what it might have been not so long ago. That and not having a national icon in Brett Favre selling jerseys and t-shirts.
    I think parity hurts a lot of the other franchises that used to dominate decades at a time because the bandwagon fans have less time to buy up merchandise.

  26. sand0 says: Jul 14, 2010 3:18 PM

    It would suck to have an unsustainable business model for your city’s only sports franchise. Then have the owner admit that they are fielding a “budget team” as a result.
    Fortunately the Vikings only problem is replacing a decrepid stadium. That can be fixed.
    Packers fans have had to eat so many words over these last couple seasons. It would be poetic justice for Vikes fans if after the Vikings get their new stadium, in Minneapolis, that the talk all the sudden became whether or not Wisconsin taxpayers were willing to prop up an unsustainable local business with their tax dollars as opposed to selling it to build a hospital or something.
    Don’t you guys see how karma can be a beeoch? Don’t worry though, Vikings nation always accepts new fans, of all ages and backgrounds, with open hands and open hearts just the way we accepted Brett into our franchise.

  27. lebowski says: Jul 14, 2010 3:21 PM

    I’m surprised the Pack has remained a competitive team at all, in this day and age of greedy overpaid agents and athletes. Just as MTV ruined music, ESPN and the like have ruined sports. It’s all about highlight reels and antics, and gets more unwatchable every year.

  28. Sacram3ntal says: Jul 14, 2010 3:26 PM

    pervy harvin pukes up:
    mrcmos- i meant what i said…instinct…th ink about it…adios
    *****************
    LOL. you unbelievable idiot.
    Just act like a man, admit you goofed and move on. “Lets ignore these stories and watch them become instinct.” is f***ng nonsense.
    It means nothing, although I’m sure your jobless, pathetic ass is staring at the definition of ‘instinct’ right now, trying to figure out how to pretend you really “meant what you said.”
    F’n Vikes fans. Embarrassing.
    Anyway, I’m really interested to see how both sides digest and use these numbers.
    The Packers look like a financially strong team- one that has been able to grow both total revenue and net profit in an awful economic climate.
    At the same time, they are struggling with local revenue- easy indicator that even a fervant fanbase is cutting way back on spending- and player salaries that are growing faster than than all other revenue streams.
    Gonna be interesting… it’s actually too bad for the NFLPA that DeMaurice Smith seems to in totally above his head thus far.

  29. TheBaySay says: Jul 14, 2010 3:31 PM

    Love the East Dakota dreamin’ going on here. You guys need to put a cold wet towel on your head, go sit in front of the fan, and try to come back to what passes for rationality over there.
    PS – if no fan is in attendance and you wait long enough, maybe 3M will buy a bunch and let you use one.

  30. DePack says: Jul 14, 2010 3:34 PM

    HMMM……2007…….HMMM…. that year sounds familiar. Let’s see that couldn’t have anything to do with Ted Thompson and MM dicking Brett Favre could it?
    C’mon people open your eyes. Since they pissed down Favre’s leg the Packer Pro Shop has lost a ton of business as well as the general area as a whole. You used to not be able to get Packer tickets and definately a hotel room around Green Bay during home games. The past few years you could call that week and get them….except last year against the vikings when Brett came back.
    I have been saying it for a couple years now. Real Packer fans have not been as enthuised or are downright boycotting purchasing merchandise because of the Favre fiasco and they will continue to until TT is gone. I don’t necessarily mean dead….just gone from the team.
    I have been a Packer fan for 40 years and I can tell you this is the truth. As a shareholder (yea go ahead and laugh assholes) I’ve seen the numbers. I understand part of it is the economy but this story really shows that it is much more than that. The economy blows everywhere.
    I know the loudmouth Packer fans on this site will disagree with me but they are in the minority. I know…sell outs…waiting lists etc will always be because they have a great product and nobody wants to give up their tickets but you can show up game day and get tickets for 20-40% off.

  31. chgolaw says: Jul 14, 2010 3:41 PM

    I really hate when both Floria and many of the postes have no idea what they are talking about.
    The problem is that small market teams cannot compare with the big market teams in two main revenue producing areas: local TV and radio fees and merchandise sales. For example, the Yankees make $500 million each year on local TV and cable deals, The Royals make less than $2 Million. You caould sell the Royals to Bill Gates and even he cannot make up for the descrepancy. Second, for years the most valuable football team (according to Forbes Magazine) has beem the Redskins as nobody has more merchandise sales and charges for tickets like them. As a result, they can hand out $18 million signing bonuses all day. On the flip side, the 59% of costs to the players are for salary and not, I suspect, for other related team costs like insurance, lease payments, medical costs, facility costs, interest on loans, transportation costs, food costs, scouting costs, etc. Remember, one of the biggest arguments re the CBA is the owners’ claim that if they spend $400 Million for a stadium which enables the players to get more revenue (because the new stadium brings in more) that the players should bear part of that cost.

  32. jeremiah says: Jul 14, 2010 3:41 PM

    for all you morons who didn’t understand all the big numbers, the point was that the packers are losing money because of revenue sharing, not because people aren’t spending the money on packers stuff/etc.
    it’s teams like the bills, browns, and VIKINGS who don’t make enough money and have to take the handouts and table scraps of teams who DO make the money like GB, dallas, NE, NY, et…who are causing the overall profits to go down for those “have mores”.
    i swear, every couple of weeks the retardation % of this site gets higher and higher.

  33. funi says: Jul 14, 2010 3:42 PM

    Packers broke! Moving to L.A.!!!!!

  34. Contra says: Jul 14, 2010 3:44 PM

    DePack says:
    July 14, 2010 3:34 PM
    I know the loudmouth Packer fans on this site will disagree with me but they are in the minority. I know…sell outs…waiting lists etc will always be because they have a great product and nobody wants to give up their tickets but you can show up game day and get tickets for 20-40% off.
    ————
    Why would I want to be on a 80,000+ waiting list to purchase tickets at full price when I can just buy them on game day at 20-40% off? How can this be!? I thought being on that list was an exclusive group of die-hard Packer fans who cherish to one day be able to sit in the bleacher seats at Lambeau! So what youre telling me is that this reverance for sellout crowds and opportunity to watch the Packers in Lambeau is no different than going to watch the Bengals or…yikes…the Vikings!?
    Excellent post by the way – glad to hear the truth come out from a real Packer fan.

  35. pervy harvin says: Jul 14, 2010 3:46 PM

    Instinct
    1-An inborn pattern of behavior that is characteristic of a species and is often a response to specific environmental stimuli: the spawning instinct in salmon; altruistic instincts in social animals.
    ===================================
    LOL You Pack f@cks are keeping me laughing right to the end..what dumbasses.Everyone knows you cockroaches can’t become EXTINCT, but when Viking fans ignore your fat asses your INSTINCT will kick in…crying like lil bitches to be recognized by a REAL fan base(Vikings) You are nothing without us….now blow off,my helicopter is arriving….why don’t you Pack losers get a job and quit playing computer??? Losers…

  36. Wipackman says: Jul 14, 2010 3:47 PM

    Yes great idea go away you MORON !!!!
    intinct ????????? What a PUD
    Seriously is summer school recess in prison open to surfing the web ??????? convict
    Go talk about BRETT on a Viking story you ass wipe
    pervy harvin says:
    July 14, 2010 2:44 PM
    vikings fans…i propose we ignore Packer stories and watch them become instinct….

  37. twizzlystick says: Jul 14, 2010 3:49 PM

    Like Florio would say, if we didn’t know any better we’d almost wonder if God has been punishing the Packers ever since they traded Favre.

  38. Charles Wood says: Jul 14, 2010 3:49 PM

    MotorCityKitties says:
    July 14, 2010 2:45 PM
    Sell more cheese block hats at the stadium and quit crying. Maybe if you sold the licensing of those cheese block hats to Milwaukee’s Best and painted them camoflauge then sales would increase, d-bags. Hate this team, F em.
    I guess I would hate a team too if my team played them twice a year and hadn’t beat them on their home turf in over 20 years. The Lions just plain ol’ suck.

  39. Charles Wood says: Jul 14, 2010 3:50 PM

    pervy harvin says:
    July 14, 2010 2:44 PM
    vikings fans…i propose we ignore Packer stories and watch them become instinct….
    STFU Nancy.

  40. Wipackman says: Jul 14, 2010 3:54 PM

    Vikings cant sell out playoff games ( The few they have ) and why ??? The complete certainty that they will CHOKE and lose…..fans can stay home and watch Fargo ( again ) and Mary Tyler Moore reruns or Jesse Ventura ” How to run a state ” Videos…..why go see total failure AGAIN ?

  41. Wipackman says: Jul 14, 2010 3:56 PM

    He is punishing us with Aaron Rogers
    He will punish you with “Jump Pass Tavarias ”
    Good Luck !!!

  42. DePack says: Jul 14, 2010 3:58 PM

    Contra…….yes that is correct for the last few seasons but it will come back. Many of the 80,000 fans on the waiting list are on there just to say that they are and because it is free. If you had to put a deposit down that list would dwindle to just a small percentage of that.
    And chgolaw….you might want to reread the article before accusing everyone else of being idiots. The article says pretty much the opposite of what you are reading into it. The Packers are profitable BECAUSE revenue sharing has increased. It is the local sales that have “remained flat since 2007″.

  43. twizzlystick says: Jul 14, 2010 4:03 PM

    “He is punishing us with Aaron Rogers”
    That’s what I meant. You know, from 13-3 and NFCC game with Favre to 17-15, 0 division titles, 0 playoff wins with Rodgers? Plus the massive revenue dropoff. Anyway let’s not dwell on it…

  44. vi-kings says: Jul 14, 2010 4:03 PM

    every time there is a packer story. you cheese loving bastards have to talk about the vikes. get off our nuts. and maybe sign a free agent once in a while. that will eat up some of that big revenue.

  45. DePack says: Jul 14, 2010 4:05 PM

    Sorry chgolaw….my previous post was meant for jeremiah….my bad.

  46. FoF says: Jul 14, 2010 4:05 PM

    “Here’s the answer. Packers CEO Mark Murphy said that the team’s “local revenues” have been flat since 2007. ”
    hmm, what changed after the 2007 season? What was different?? ohh, I know! Ted Timid Thompson traded away Brett Favre. TT’s actions have put the Packers in an uncontrollable downward spiral. That statement proves that TT’s actions have hurt the Packer’s profits.
    TT and any Ted Thompson fan in the state should be shipped out for supporting this outsider. It has been nothing short of a complete disaster.

  47. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Jul 14, 2010 4:06 PM

    DePack says:
    July 14, 2010 3:34 PM
    I know the loudmouth Packer fans on this site will disagree with me but they are in the minority. I know…sell outs…waiting lists etc will always be because they have a great product and nobody wants to give up their tickets but you can show up game day and get tickets for 20-40% off.
    ————
    Sure you can. After the 1st quarter has already started. Nobody sells game tickets for under face value. Even you know this.

  48. GobiasINC_1 says: Jul 14, 2010 4:07 PM

    twizzlystick: “Like Florio would say, if we didn’t know any better we’d almost wonder if God has been punishing the Packers ever since they traded Favre.”
    Yeah, last year was a really disappointment for the Packers. And the future with Aaron Rodgers, Jermichael Finley, Clay Matthews, Greg Jennings and Nick Collins looks really bleak.
    But hey, the Vikings have Favre and his career is just beginning. Oh…wait. It’s the opposite of that. Sorry.

  49. vi-kings says: Jul 14, 2010 4:09 PM

    how about you put a big ass cheese hat on. go have sex with your sister drink beers. and watch highlights of the cardinals kicking the packers ass

  50. twizzlystick says: Jul 14, 2010 4:26 PM

    “Yeah, last year was a really disappointment for the Packers.”
    Well yeah, being swept by the Vikes, continuing the post Favre trend of finishing behind the Vikes, not winning any playoff games and a massive drop in revenue… but aside from that…

  51. BuckyBadger says: Jul 14, 2010 4:39 PM

    FoF says:
    July 14, 2010 4:05 PM
    “Here’s the answer. Packers CEO Mark Murphy said that the team’s “local revenues” have been flat since 2007. ”
    hmm, what changed after the 2007 season? What was different?? ohh, I know! Ted Timid Thompson traded away Brett Favre. TT’s actions have put the Packers in an uncontrollable downward spiral. That statement proves that TT’s actions have hurt the Packer’s profits.
    TT and any Ted Thompson fan in the state should be shipped out for supporting this outsider. It has been nothing short of a complete disaster.
    ————————————-
    You know nothing about building a football team. Winning absolves EVERYTHING and right now the Packers have one the best young rosters of any team. Yes trading Brett Favre probably hurt some revenue in the short term but look at the big picture. Green Bay is on the verge of being a perennial powerhouse. Not many teams can say this.
    If by disaster you mean becoming a team that will make the playoffs on a yearly basis and contend for titles than yes its a disaster.
    A disaster would have been to let Rodgers go and having a young team looking for a QB right now. Favre would have retired by now with the rebuilding offensive line.
    Once Green Bay starts making noise in the playoffs local revenue will come back.

  52. HC says: Jul 14, 2010 4:39 PM

    Percy:
    You still screwed up in your comment.
    Congratulations on your use of a dictionary.
    Now you just need to learn the difference between a noun, verb, adjective and adverb, and how to use them together to form a sentence.
    The phrase “watch them become instinct” still does not come remotely close to making any sense at all.

  53. sand0 says: Jul 14, 2010 4:42 PM

    I love how Pervy Harvin tried to save the instinct typo. That was actually kind of funny.
    In all seriousness though the Packers are flat while most teams in the NFL are on the up and up. I mean, the Minneapolis ratings for Vikings games were higher last season than Green Bay ratings for Packers games. Vikes revenue is up and they are a stadium away from being extremely rock solid financially.
    For all the big talk the actual facts tell us that less Packer fans watch their team than Vikings fans and Vikes aren’t even all that die hard of a team. Packer fan and support is dwindling. Their out of state fans have moved on or are in the process. They’ve lost their appeal. City is too small.
    I’m guessing they’ll be fielding these budget teams for quite some time. Er I mean, youthful teams full of up and coming stars.
    Packers fans hopefully can remember that the 20 years before Brett were about like the 2 years after him. Brett made their budget club good. He’s gone and so they will become the new Lions.
    It is scary to think how lucky you guys are that Rodgers is as good as he is.

  54. adellgfo says: Jul 14, 2010 4:54 PM

    FoF says: July 14, 2010 4:05 PM
    “Here’s the answer. Packers CEO Mark Murphy said that the team’s “local revenues” have been flat since 2007. ”
    hmm, what changed after the 2007 season? What was different?? ohh, I know! Ted Timid Thompson traded away Brett Favre.
    ————————————————
    Yes, the packers did trade away Favre. But what also happened in 2007, o yeah, THE ECONOMY WENT TO HELL!. Maybe that has something to do with it.

  55. purpleguy says: Jul 14, 2010 4:56 PM

    For cripes sake, I’m a Vike fan and love to bag on cheesers as much as anyone, but the Pack is in better financial shape and has a better future than 75% of NFL teams. On the down side, they apparently just have more money stealing hookers in the Dells.

  56. Wipackman says: Jul 14, 2010 5:18 PM

    Sando Good Point ( ? ) Vikings are now prime to move to Los Angeles !! Enjoy !!!

  57. mattgso says: Jul 14, 2010 5:24 PM

    # pervy harvin says: July 14, 2010 2:44 PM
    vikings fans…i propose we ignore Packer stories and watch them become instinct….
    ————————————————-
    “…become instinct…”?
    couldn’t even make it into the community college, could you?

  58. BuckyBadger says: Jul 14, 2010 5:27 PM

    sando, as soon as Brett retires along with your aging offensive line your team will be back to where they have spent most of their existence.
    The local Packer fan base will always support their team no matter the circumstance and it has been proven where Vikings fans don’t. I have been to Minnie plenty for games because the tickets where easier to get there than at Lambeau.
    Don’t get too cocky about a couple of years of finical numbers during a time when many teams are feeling the crunch. Don’t know where you think most teams are on the up and up. Profits are down everywhere right now along with everything else.
    The economy will rebound and Green Bay will survive just fine. The revenue as a whole was still very good. You think just because of how things are today they will always be that way? Keep believing that, I will go by long term patterns and that bodes much better for the Packers than Vikings.
    Developing Rodgers wasn’t luck. McCarthy has a great off season program and Rodgers is a product of this. What will your Vikings do after next year? Back to the drawing board.
    Also a stadium will be a lot harder to get in 2012 when the Vikings are scrambling to get a QB.

  59. edgy says: Jul 14, 2010 5:27 PM

    chgolaw says:
    I really hate when both Floria and many of the postes have no idea what they are talking about.
    ******************
    You’re the one who has no idea what they’re talking about.
    National TV revenue makes up the biggest chunk of NFL revenue and it eclipses anything that the local revenue brings in.
    Ticket revenue makes up the second largest source of revenue and because of the Dallas Cowboys, even though attendance is down slightly this year, ticket revenue is up.
    It wouldn’t matter how much the Redskins sold
    because ALL their merchandise revenue goes into a pool that is divided among the 32 teams and the league office.
    The players DO bear a part of the costs as they give back money to the owners for the supplemental income that is used to hand out to owners to help with paying for the stadiums or did you not know that? Did you also know that they gave the owners a huge chunk of their own change to pay for NFL Europe(a)?
    In terms of revenue and how it would have been shared under Rozelle, the NFL is in great shape but once he retired, Jerry and his kids have moved more and more income away from being shared and it has hurt the smaller market teams. The problem is that unlike Jerry and his kids, the smaller market teams CAN’T generate the kind of income that he accuses them of not taking. For example, he got the city of Arlington and the NFL to kick in a ton of money and with his PSL, he paid nothing for his stadium and got a profit to boot. He pulled in more than $200 million in ticket revenue (not counting the playoffs, 3 regular season college football games, the Big 12 championship, the Cotton Bowl, the NBA All-Star game, NC vs Texas men’s college basketball game, a boxing match (Pacquiao vs Clottey), concerts, etc) AND he doesn’t even pay taxes to the city because of his deal. He’s making so much money that he didn’t even sell the naming rights and he’s bitching at Brown for not selling the naming rights to the stadium because he wants to honor his dad (Of course, he could sell Jerry the rights so he can have Jerry Jones Stadium At Paul Brown Field). If he were just satisfied to take the money from his non-NFL games and let the rest of the owners share in his NFL wealth, you wouldn’t be hearing them whine about it and blaming the players when it’s Jerry that’s the real problem.
    The problem isn’t the players, it’s the newer and greedier bastards like Jerry Jones. If he had his way, the NFL would fend for itself like MLB but the problem is that he’d find out just how much more valuable Chicago, LA and New York are as a market and while he wouldn’t be at the bottom, he’d be behind all of them (and the biggest gap would be between the New York teams and second place).

  60. duane mccoy says: Jul 14, 2010 5:32 PM

    I just wanted to say that in my honest opinion (and as a die-hard packer fan) that of all the posters on this site, the most annoying and biggest hypocrites are easily the Viking AND Packer fans.

  61. Buster Blueth says: Jul 14, 2010 5:36 PM

    It doesn’t surprise me one bit that the Packers are going broke. They have been on a gradual but steady decline since tu-tu Ted took over. Ouch, seriously how do you guys associate yourselves with such garbage?

  62. pervy harvin says: Jul 14, 2010 5:37 PM

    Ah..I just met with Bus Cook and have some very important news for the world…I was sitting in the strip club and was talking to my lil princess Tyesha.She looked at me with tears in her makeup caked eyes and said,”Daddy,I really want you to shit on Packer fans one more season on PFT.We support you daddy.”
    I have been down at the local grade school hurling insults to the kids.Not sure what I have left but I’m feeling pretty good. All the pieces are in place.I know it’s not a one fan team to win or lose. I really believe this fan base has a lot of potential – whether it’s this year or in years to come, I don’t know.I’m pretty boring, actually. I’m gonna just give it a go…. I really want to beat the Packeer fans bad…When fish are in schools, they sometimes take debate.
    …….I would like to announce my unretirement.

  63. MACK DADDY says: Jul 14, 2010 5:38 PM

    For the longest time pervy thought his nuts were instinct too, then his mommy (who also happens to be his sister) explained they just hadn’t descended yet. Be patient pervy, they should drop any day now.

  64. mattgso says: Jul 14, 2010 5:38 PM

    Sando, your factual data comes from where? Out of your ass doesn’t count.
    And for those saying the Packers are losing money, note that the report shows the Packers reported $258 million in revenue in 2009-10 — a record for the team — and net income, or net profit, of $5.2 million, an increase from $4 million in 2008-09.
    For you financial geniuses like Pervy, that means they did better than last year… without favre.

  65. pervy harvin says: Jul 14, 2010 5:40 PM

    Ah..I just met with Bus Cook and have some very important news for the world…I was sitting in the strip club and was talking to my lil princess Tyesha.She looked at me with tears in her makeup caked eyes and said,”Daddy,I really want you to shit on Packer fans one more season on PFT.We support you daddy.”
    I have been down at the local grade school hurling insults to the kids.Not sure what I have left but I’m feeling pretty good. All the pieces are in place.I know it’s not a one fan team to win or lose. I really believe this fan base has a lot of potential – whether it’s this year or in years to come, I don’t know.I’m pretty boring, actually. I’m gonna just give it a go…. I really want to beat the Packeer fans bad…When fish are in schools, they sometimes take debate.
    …….I would like to announce my unretirement.

  66. Schau3r says: Jul 14, 2010 5:59 PM

    @DePack
    Yeah, it MUST be all because of Brett Favre. Nothing to do with the economy since 2007…No offense, but you are an idiot. If the economy hasn’t effected you, congrats. But being in the financial sector, I see it everyday. Especially in an area like GB.

  67. Johnnyb612 says: Jul 14, 2010 6:02 PM

    Pervy’s a tool.

  68. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Jul 14, 2010 6:25 PM

    ROBBLE ROBBLE ROBBLE!

  69. GobiasINC_1 says: Jul 14, 2010 6:29 PM

    I don’t know who is more stupid. FoF who believes that any financial woes the Packers experience is because of Brett Favre and not the worst economy since the Great Depression, or pervy harvin who can’t spell and obviously has a load of social disorders.
    I will go with the Favre die-hard every time for the stupid award. Congrats, FoF. You get to watch your hero throw even more costly INTs for yet another season. Enjoy!

  70. Mike Daly says: Jul 14, 2010 6:38 PM

    Player costs are part of the problem, and owners such as Jerry Jones are ALSO part of the problem. Most owners are pretty good about it, and the fact they jammed this recent CBA through despite warnings that 59.4 % is unsustainable for them shows how anxious they are not to cause labor trouble – people forget the anxiety that began surging late in the negotiations before this deal got rammed through.

  71. bluestree says: Jul 14, 2010 6:39 PM

    This is really funny. Viking fans busting Packer fans for “losing money” , “losing t shirt sales” , “scalping tickets at discount prices” , “going instinct” , etc.
    Here’s the financial truth, the Vikings are on welfare! We’d have more profits if we hadn’t been giving your team the money it needs to compete. Not that we mind, George Halas helped us out of a few scrapes back in the day. Just try a little intellectual honesty.
    Pervy; retire to the kitchen and use all of your instinct to make me a grilled cheese sandwhich.

  72. Reindeer_Rob says: Jul 14, 2010 6:42 PM

    If I am seeing this right:
    -There are two categories of earning for each team: Those to be shared/Those not to be shared
    -The Packers sell out every game, are in the top 10 in merch sales, play nearly the max number of prime time games, and do not spend up to the cap but still are not gaining ground.
    -How the hell are the bottom 10 teams in the league even operating under this system?
    -If the books open up, I would have trouble believing the Packers are worse off then too many other teams.

  73. WacktheQueens says: Jul 14, 2010 6:45 PM

    Hey pervy harvin,
    Your an idiot go jump off a cliff, you’d do us all a favor

  74. Packfan4life says: Jul 14, 2010 7:01 PM

    Wow is just shows the class of other football fans. The Packers are one of the most historical team ever. For all you viking fans, your team might not be around in 5 or 10 years because you can’t get a new staduim approved, talk about fan support.

  75. tysonjacob says: Jul 14, 2010 7:04 PM

    @ sand0
    I don’t think you pay attention to the Vikings. For the last couple years Viking have been dead last in revenue and the state has turn down two bills for a new Vikings stadium.

  76. tysonjacob says: Jul 14, 2010 7:10 PM

    @ sand0
    I don’t think you pay attention to the Vikings. For the last couple years Viking have been dead last in revenue and the state has turn down two bills for a new Vikings stadium.

  77. tysonjacob says: Jul 14, 2010 7:10 PM

    @ sand0
    I don’t think you pay attention to the Vikings. For the last couple years Viking have been dead last in revenue and the state has turn down two bills for a new Vikings stadium.

  78. Franchise says: Jul 14, 2010 7:17 PM

    The Vikings organization is financially stable with an owner and GM who know how to run a team. All that is missing is te stadium, which will be passed this year.
    Meanwhile, across the boarder, you have a roundtable of backwoods hillbillies and a handjob knuckle-shuffler GM driving a team into the ground.
    I guess the plan on renovating Lambeau is officially cancelled.
    It will be sad to see the Pack circle the toilet like they did in the 70’s.

  79. pervy harvin says: Jul 14, 2010 7:29 PM

    mattgso – Speaking of finances doucher….you couldn’t afford my women or wardrobe…I roll big Pack pig….
    bluestree and JohnnyBGay- Keep that dutch rudder powered light going fags…good job!

  80. Walleyeman says: Jul 14, 2010 7:35 PM

    Hmm, I travel all over (fishing) and I see more Packer jerseys then Viking jerseys in the midwest. I was surprised last fall with my travels to Northern MN at the lack of locals wearing Viking jerseys, and THAT with the lucky season they were having. Hate to this season.

  81. Annuvin says: Jul 14, 2010 7:39 PM

    twizzlystick says:
    I for one hope that the Packers can somehow be rescued from the financial and competitive oblivion that they are freefalling into.
    **************
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
    Hey Twizzler, it’s your Purple Pansies that are immediate danger of moving to L.A. Unless they get a stadium deal in the immediate future, you can kiss your franchise goodbye.
    Why the hell do you think Wilf took a big chance on a 40+ QB who has a seriously bad habit on throwing the ball away on the biggest play of the game? He’s ended the last two NFC Championships in exactly the same spectacular fashion. Prepare for it again…. That is IF your fractured team even makes the playoffs this season.
    No Lombardi for you!

  82. Packfan4life says: Jul 14, 2010 7:40 PM

    Lambeau Field= NFL Stadium gem.
    Metrodom a.k.a the humpty dump.
    The dome is so bad the twins had to get out.
    I’ve been to both.

  83. bigrig says: Jul 14, 2010 8:07 PM

    I wonder if Jon Evans is going to post on this article and claim to be a financial wizard. But, just in his spare time when he’s not practicing in the “Law System.”

  84. Annuvin says: Jul 14, 2010 8:15 PM

    Contra says:
    Why would I want to be on a 80,000+ waiting list to purchase tickets at full price when I can just buy them on game day at 20-40% off? How can this be!?
    ****************
    I have been to Lambeau several times during the Favre era and have never had a problem getting tickets. However, I purchased mine from an online scalper and didn’t ever receive a 20-40% discount. Driving from Toronto, I didn’t want to be disappointed if there were none available when I got there. I can also assure you that the majority of season ticket holders sell their tickets for a profit so fans like me can attend a game.
    pervy harvin says:
    mattgso – Speaking of finances doucher….you couldn’t afford my women or wardrobe…I roll big Pack pig….
    *****************
    Pervy, as a wise man once said: “People that brag have to.”
    Welcome to the internet. A place where you can pretend to be anything you wanted to in real life but couldn’t!

  85. pervy harvin says: Jul 14, 2010 9:12 PM

    Annuvin – Go make me a grilled cheese bitch….

  86. seals says: Jul 14, 2010 11:48 PM

    As much as i love to hate the packers I don’t like the news that they are going under. It breaks my heart that a pround franchise like the packers has to rely on rogers and nelson to give $15 jobs to keep the lights on. Lucky for them 83,000 fans are waiting.

  87. Annuvin says: Jul 15, 2010 2:37 AM

    Pervy – Go polish your Lombardi… Oh wait, NEVERMIND! LOL!

  88. Johnnyb612 says: Jul 16, 2010 12:10 AM

    My god, Pervy is so pathetic. Annuvin hit the nail right on the head. Pervy obviously has no real life friends and uses this site as his only outlet to the rest of the world. He’s not fooling anybody. He has developed a false reality and false perception of his life, and himself as a person. Nobody likes him and he should probably just stick with the internet for companionship because if he actually entered society, I don’t think he would be able to handle the reaction that people would have if they saw his ugly face come in their direction… I actually feel bad for him.

  89. RC IV says: Jul 16, 2010 9:06 AM

    I can’t believe you tools actually think Pervy or I or a lot of other people are being “real” on here…
    You are the pathetic ones if you think that.

  90. footballrulz says: Jul 16, 2010 2:00 PM

    Chicken
    thanks for the slap back to reality–twizzlylittledick was starting to get on my nerves.
    I have to keep sayin
    this isn’t real, this isn;t real
    I mean no one could really be that stupid….
    could they?

  91. mgulrud says: Jul 16, 2010 5:09 PM

    DePack says:
    July 14, 2010 3:34 PM
    I know the loudmouth Packer fans on this site will disagree with me but they are in the minority. I know…sell outs…waiting lists etc will always be because they have a great product and nobody wants to give up their tickets but you can show up game day and get tickets for 20-40% off.
    ————
    Why would I want to be on a 80,000+ waiting list to purchase tickets at full price when I can just buy them on game day at 20-40% off? How can this be!? I thought being on that list was an exclusive group of die-hard Packer fans who cherish to one day be able to sit in the bleacher seats at Lambeau! So what youre telling me is that this reverance for sellout crowds and opportunity to watch the Packers in Lambeau is no different than going to watch the Bengals or…yikes…the Vikings!?
    Excellent post by the way – glad to hear the truth come out from a real Packer fan
    —————-
    ok, so as someone who lives near GreenBay and has tried very hard to get tickets under $600 to ANY packer game where so i go for these incredible deals you are talkign about man.. People around here fight like cats and dogs to try and get tickets to a single game once in their lifetime. Sounds like you are just upset that Favre left.

  92. PackersPackFudge 8==D says: Jul 16, 2010 7:37 PM

    Maybe the Packers would make more profit if they moved to San Fran and just switched franchieses with the Niners… I mean with the Packers having the first openly homosexual quarterback in the NFL they would proabably have tons of fans in San Fran.

  93. ejtowne says: Jul 17, 2010 3:29 PM

    Ralph Wilson is a genius. Without his desire to make the NFL as big is it is today we would be watching baseball, yeah, baseball.

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