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Marcellus Wiley says NFL culture still has "no tolerance" for homosexuality

More than six years ago, our friend Mike Freeman told in his book Bloody Sundays the story of Steven Thompson, a then-active NFL player who also happened to be gay — and who had a relationship with at least one other player.

Thompson was an assumed name, like Martin Van Nostrand.  In 2003, no gay NFL player could come out of the closet during his career.  In 2010, no progress has been made to change that reality.

In an interview with Dave Hollander of HuffingtonPost.com, ESPN’s Marcellus Wiley, a former NFL Pro Bowler, suggests that it will be a long time before an active player can admit to being gay.

“It would really be tough for a gay guy in the NFL, for the
locker room to understand him as a homosexual — I’m not saying it’s
impossible to pull off, but I’m saying right now the fear of coming out
of the closet and more so coming out in the locker room would really be
too tremendous to overcome,” Wiley said.  “It’s unfortunate because it shouldn’t be
that way.  I understand that the locker room is pretty intimate.  I do
understand that there are 53 guys walking around nude at times and I do
understand how guys may feel uncomfortable, but I don’t think that it
should impair someone’s decision to live their life, have their freedoms
and express themselves.  I don’t know whether that will be five, ten or
twenty years from now but right now the NFL culture has no tolerance
toward it.”

Wiley also said that when he played with former NFL defensive tackle Esera Tuaolo, who came out of the closet after his career ended, other players wondered whether Tuaolo was gay.

“Quiet as it was kept, it was suspected when we were teammates in
Buffalo,” Wiley said, “but never to the point where there was any hatred for him as a
person — more a joke, more a comedy that people used to say stuff to
him.  I never thought twice about it until he retired and came out.  Then I
was like ‘Wow, they used to kind of make mention of that in the locker
room.’”

Maybe, someday, a gay player will be able to acknowledge his sexuality and not live in fear of it being detected.  Until then, the gap between the NFL locker room and the rest of society will continue to grow.  Eventually, the dichotomy between the football world and the real world will become sufficiently broad to create a major embarrassment for the game.
 
Some would argue that point already has arrived.

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  1. mr_snrub says: Jul 16, 2010 10:10 PM

    Oh, I’m sure it’s totally okay for a gay NFL player to come out of the closet; so long as he says “no homo” right afterward.

  2. sniperhare says: Jul 16, 2010 10:16 PM

    The rest of culture could do with emulating the NFL in this regard.

  3. twizzlystick says: Jul 16, 2010 10:17 PM

    I think that Aaron Rodgers is living proof that it’s possible for an openly gay QB to play in the NFL.

  4. dreamer says: Jul 16, 2010 10:18 PM

    I wonder what the joking was like with Michael Strahan?

  5. gorillaghost says: Jul 16, 2010 10:21 PM

    i thought tony romo already came out of the closet

  6. davidc45629 says: Jul 16, 2010 10:21 PM

    Complete rubbish, Florio. I don’t know what lockerrooms you hang out in. The NFL locker room is America. Just not yours.

  7. Steve-O says: Jul 16, 2010 10:27 PM

    Everyone knows it’s a Cowboy.
    90% of their fans are tailgunners.

  8. Jaxuar says: Jul 16, 2010 10:29 PM

    Florio,
    Did you write this story because you want to come out of the closet?

  9. ThePitts says: Jul 16, 2010 10:30 PM

    “There’s no GUY-ing in FOOTBALL”

  10. redsquare says: Jul 16, 2010 10:33 PM

    Well, look at all the homophobes here, already… well, we know how it so often goes with the preachers and Republican politicians who protest the loudest. I suspect the same thing may be the case here.

  11. twinkletoes says: Jul 16, 2010 10:35 PM

    “Eventually, the dichotomy between the football world and the real world will become sufficiently broad to create a major embarrassment for the game.”
    … and the baseball world, and the basketball world, and the soccer world, etc., etc.

  12. dbartdog says: Jul 16, 2010 10:38 PM

    I heard Big Ben went both ways.

  13. oyoy84 says: Jul 16, 2010 10:41 PM

    We all know at least half of the Philthy Fagles are gay

  14. Legend says: Jul 16, 2010 10:41 PM

    Good thing you’re a part of the media and not an NFL player, eh Florio?

  15. MrHumble says: Jul 16, 2010 10:41 PM

    Aaron Rodgers had no problem laying spread eagled on his back on national tv last year…..think he did it like 50+ times.

  16. rickvaldez says: Jul 16, 2010 10:43 PM

    @redsquare
    Why bring politics in it? Just be happy you came out of the closet and alot of the country doesnt see things your fruity way.

  17. shallowfan says: Jul 16, 2010 10:45 PM

    do you really think most of america is pro gay? if so, then you are deeply diluted florio…
    just because you don’t agree with the gay agenda doesn’t mean you are homophobe…
    i hope everyone realizes with this homobama administration that the majority is not always right…sometimes the majority is wrong and that is what some great men predicted would happen with our democracy over 200 years ago. when the minority is what is controlling our democracy then our country is doomed…kind of like now.

  18. CanadianVikingFan says: Jul 16, 2010 10:46 PM

    The problem is ignorance, most people think that a gay guy in the locker room would make advancements, or try something on them, they seem to forget that they are human. Same principals happened with white people and non whites.
    None of this will matter anyway when the lockout happens.

  19. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 16, 2010 10:50 PM

    I’m sure there are many gay men (maybe bi-sexual?) playing football. It’s unfortunate that this is still an issue in 2010. You’d think these ├╝ber-men would be secure enough in their own sexuality to support their teammates irrespective of their sexual orientation.

  20. alpod says: Jul 16, 2010 10:52 PM

    “Maybe, someday, a gay player will be able to acknowledge his sexuality and not live in fear of it being detected”
    WHAT?!?!?

  21. JayoEZ says: Jul 16, 2010 10:54 PM

    The NFL locker room is America? hahahahahaha, that might be the stupidest thing ever posted on this sight! hahhahahahhaha, not yours though florio! hahaahahahah, oh man I needed that, I guess Davidc45629 uses intolerance of gays as a diversonary tactic so people dont focus theyre intolerance on the intellectually challenged! hahhahahahahahha

  22. NationalFelonLeague.com © says: Jul 16, 2010 11:02 PM

    Most of American culture is fine with gays as long a they keep it to themselves.
    Gay marriage is allowed in very few states and many have made it illegal in their state constitution. Just because the liberal media says it is ok doesn’t mean it’s ok.
    Matt Shephard incident was not that long ago.

  23. PurpleNGold says: Jul 16, 2010 11:02 PM

    Being naked in a room with someone else is often associated with having sex or feeling shame. We can thank all manner of religious fairy tales for this. The people who have problems with what other consenting adults do have unresolved issues of their own as well as too much time on their hands.

  24. Brewster says: Jul 16, 2010 11:04 PM

    How predictable were most of these responses?

  25. julieinduvall says: Jul 16, 2010 11:07 PM

    @shallowfan,
    Your handle sure fits.
    I hate to break it to the knuckledraggers showing their ignorance on this matter, but there are gay men playing in the NFL. Right now. Does it affect their on-field performance or their teammates in the locker room? No. Would it be hell to spend every day forced to lie about who you are? Absolutely.
    The fact that someone is gay doesn’t damage you in any way, shape or form. I have to wonder why you are so bigoted towards someone else who wants to be who they are. I’m sure this will come as quite a blow to some of the testosterone-poisoned here, but they’re no more sexually interested in you than you are in them.
    I agree with Mike Florio. It’s unfortunate that the NFL can’t keep up with the times, and with changing attitudes.

  26. azredbird4 says: Jul 16, 2010 11:12 PM

    please redsquare leave your haughty political comments to the huffington post….as for you florio, the majority like the NFL just the way it is manly, tough, and straight

  27. burntorangehorn says: Jul 16, 2010 11:14 PM

    Hilarious. “The gay agenda”? What a bunch of backward rubes. Stop worrying about what other people do in the bedroom, and concentrate your efforts on keeping your own sisters out of yours.

  28. Bullet says: Jul 16, 2010 11:15 PM

    Bravo, Mr. Florio. I wholeheartedly agree with and respect your sentiments and think the reception of your audience shows the difficulty a player would have if he came out. Statistics show that at least 2 percent of men are gay, so it would make sense that at least 20 NFL players are forced to hide and be ashamed of who they are.
    I happen to know of at least one NFL player who was forced to prematurely end his career because he was tired of living a lie. It is truly sad

  29. Freud's Slip says: Jul 16, 2010 11:15 PM

    Hey Florio,
    While your sentiments are admirable, you forget the majority of people reading this stuff come from the same general background as the neanderthals in the locker room that create the intolerant environment. In another time they’d be burning witches or something.
    It’s funny that people like to mindlessly reference the founding fathers while forgetting that people like Jefferson and Madison wrote the Declaration and the Constitution precisely to protect the rights of unpopular minorities against the self=righteous bullying of the religious zealots. They were primarily Deists, with a documented distrust of organized religions. Please don’t take my word on this; read it for yourself in their letters. They’re pretty easy to find in libraries and bookstores (assuming these morons know what those are).

  30. Razon says: Jul 16, 2010 11:16 PM

    “Until then, the gap between the NFL locker room and the rest of society will continue to grow.”
    Well another part of that society is other pro-sports. Oh and a big one, the military. Even though some services are more open to gays, ie Air Force than others ie the Marine Corps. That is another group that is not ready for openly gay people serving despite the push to drop the don’t ask, don’t tell policy. Just the nature of things really given the close quarters at times, and your life in another person’s hands. Heck some services still haven’t fully accepted women.
    What about Firemen and Police Officers? NFL is not that far from society.

  31. b033011 says: Jul 16, 2010 11:19 PM

    The problem is not ignorance. The problem is the minority having to push their gay agenda on the majority.
    A locker room is a place of business. What right does anyone have to bring sexuality in a place of business? What you do on your own time is your own business. Bringing it into the workplace should always be considered sexual harassment no matter what the orientation.
    Keep the locker room the place of business that it should be — a place when sexuality is not appropriate.

  32. dbartdog says: Jul 16, 2010 11:26 PM

    shallowfan…you are deeply stupid and “Deluded”.

  33. airraid77 says: Jul 16, 2010 11:32 PM

    i love the talk of tolerance…..coming from people who have none.

  34. WildTurkey101 says: Jul 16, 2010 11:48 PM

    There is Randall Gay,who played for the Pats and the Saints, ;)

  35. redsquare says: Jul 16, 2010 11:50 PM

    rickvaldez, you sound pretty insecure to me. And I’m not gay, but you presuming I am says more about you than it does me…

  36. truushot says: Jul 16, 2010 11:51 PM

    65 percent of players in the NFL are black. Homosexuality is far less accepted in the black community then many other communities. (not that I believe there are more or less of homosexuals in any given community) Add that to the overall age of the players and it is perfectly understandable that out of the closet isn’t going to fly in the near future.
    F’ it
    NO Homo..

  37. Markie D says: Jul 16, 2010 11:52 PM

    First off, I’m neither gay or weak or all those other things that apparently some of the contributors to this blog would probably like to throw at me based on what I’m going to say.
    I really like PFT and enjoy reading most of the comments. However, the homophobes that came out on this one are darnright scary. Are you guys really so threatened by gay men that you must say the stupid stuff that you do?
    I really don’t care if someone is gay or not, it’s no big deal to me – I simply shrug my shoulders and think “well that’s one part of who they are, big deal”. What is a big deal to me is people who are actively intolerant and bigoted.
    And CanadianVikingsFan is right – gays are not a threat to anyone in the locker room – only in homophobic or completely ignorant minds. What you think your local YMCA or fitness club locker room doesn’t have gay members and how often have any of you been grabbed, approached. leered at, etc.?
    Grow up.

  38. rayg says: Jul 16, 2010 11:53 PM

    The gay attitude is mostly generational. I don’t know many people under 25- 30 who give a flip whether a person is gay or not. And I agree with the person above who paraphrased the Bard himself “he who doth protest too much” is a sure sign that you’re part of the culture you’re protesting against.
    2-3 percent of the population is gay. 2-3 percent of the population has always been gay. 2-3 percent of the population always will be gay. Take a look at 100 of your friends and acquaintances. (if some of you have that many). 2 or 3 of them are gay. Rest assured. There’s nothing they can do about it, and there’s nothing you can do about it…other than force them to live a life of denial.
    You’d have to be pretty messed up in the head to want to force somebody to live a lie.

  39. tinopuno says: Jul 16, 2010 11:55 PM

    shallowfan says:
    July 16, 2010 10:45 PM
    do you really think most of america is pro gay? if so, then you are deeply diluted florio…
    just because you don’t agree with the gay agenda doesn’t mean you are homophobe…
    i hope everyone realizes with this homobama administration that the majority is not always right…sometimes the majority is wrong and that is what some great men predicted would happen with our democracy over 200 years ago. when the minority is what is controlling our democracy then our country is doomed…kind of like now.
    ————————————————–
    “diluted”? Did someone pour water on Florio.
    You might make your bigoted point(s) a bit more effectively if you could spell and/or compose a coherent sentence.

  40. Zach says: Jul 17, 2010 12:04 AM

    “just because you don’t agree with the gay agenda doesn’t mean you are homophobe…”
    They have an agenda?

  41. Mike Daly says: Jul 17, 2010 12:06 AM

    Why SHOULD there be a policy of tolerance toward people violating basic biology in a “lifestyle” with an average life span of just 43 years? The problem is not ignorance, it’s the refusal of homosexuals to take responsibility for living a lifestyle that has no place in biology – they want society to accept them; why not take responsibility that this “lifestyle” really is wrong? It isn’t the gap between NFL locker rooms and society, it’s the gap between real biology and cultural relativism.

  42. HappyBunny says: Jul 17, 2010 12:12 AM

    EVERYBODY knows it was Kordell Stewart and Michael Westbrook.

  43. THEMIGHTYWHITEY says: Jul 17, 2010 12:13 AM

    the Whole Redskin team are pole smokers ….they live for the gentlemans relish !

  44. leon says: Jul 17, 2010 12:20 AM

    Mike, Great article. It takes courage to write and insightful and open-minded piece when you know that a large percentage of your readers are Neanderthals. Thanks.

  45. dieharddolfan6493 says: Jul 17, 2010 12:22 AM

    football is clearly a physical sport. i think the last thing the players need to know is that someone is enjoying being roughed up by a sweaty muscled up dude in tights. lets please this sport straight. besides like 98% of them dont even like football. and dont say “oh how would you know” because its true………….besides the jets

  46. East Bay Ray says: Jul 17, 2010 12:25 AM

    It’s going to take a gay equivalent of Jackie Robinson to break through on this, a highly successful player to live openly gay but, when asked about it to say, “My sex life is none of the public’s business. Any idiot except for Dwayne Bowe knows that.” Everybody will still know he’s gay, and he’ll have to put up with a lot of stupid crap from ignorant people like Robinson did. But, eventually, people will see that it’s no big deal, and that they were wrong ever to make it one. Or, maybe lots of people will never realize that, but their opinions will just become less and less relevant. Either way, this is going to happen. It’s just a question of when.

  47. Captain_Serious says: Jul 17, 2010 12:31 AM

    Great article, Mike. You are breaking my stereotype of West Virginians.
    Every time I start to think we are moving in the right direction as a society, I read a post like that of @shallowfan and realize we have a long way to go.
    I have no love for Obama, but I don’t think that expressing hate for an entire group of people (who aren’t harming anyone with their lifestyle choice) is the way to voice that displeasure.
    I hope @shallowfan is just some kid talking garbage under the veil that the internet provides. I really hope he’s not a parent. That would be scary.

  48. PackFanNChiTown says: Jul 17, 2010 12:38 AM

    It is getting to where a person who doesn’t openly embrace same-sex marriage with gusto and dares to speak such blasphemous statements such as “I don’t believe two guys taking it up the ass is 100% identical to heterosexual sex” is derided and ridiculed.
    “Homophobe” is a favorite amongst the “gay rights” zealots; it is a title they brand you with the moment you demonstrate a shred of doubt.

  49. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 17, 2010 12:40 AM

    Homosexuality is no different than prostitution, pornography, and many other shameful and disgusting perverse behavior. Making it more accepted only benefits the further degregation of society. Read your bible people. It gives more than a dozen examples of times a country has drifted away from God and what the consequences were. Only when they returned to God was it restored. I would rather be biblically correct than politcally correct ANY DAY.

  50. monet99 says: Jul 17, 2010 12:47 AM

    sniperhare what the heck are talking about? Gays deserve to be open about their sexuality.

  51. mr_snrub says: Jul 17, 2010 12:49 AM

    Wow. I had no idea the amount of homophobes, bigots, and truly ignorant souls (Mike Daly and his invalid biology and lifespan arguments) that lurk on this site.
    The ironic thing about homophobic football players is that they are probably the last people on earth that a gay football player would have an attraction to.

  52. Wrathchild says: Jul 17, 2010 12:54 AM

    “Maybe, someday, a gay player will be able to acknowledge his sexuality and not live in fear of it being detected.”
    *facepalm*

  53. JackDiesel says: Jul 17, 2010 1:04 AM

    # b033011 says: July 16, 2010 11:19 PM
    The problem is not ignorance. The problem is the minority having to push their gay agenda on the majority.
    A locker room is a place of business. What right does anyone have to bring sexuality in a place of business? What you do on your own time is your own business. Bringing it into the workplace should always be considered sexual harassment no matter what the orientation.
    Keep the locker room the place of business that it should be — a place when sexuality is not appropriate.
    —————————–
    Best post yet. I’m sure a happily married Drew Brees doesn’t want to hear about Shockey’s latest conquest just like he doesn’t want to hear about what Adam did to Steve the night before.
    It’s no coincidence that the most professional organization’s are competing for the Super Bowl year after year while frat houses like Pre-Shanny Redskins thrived in mediocrity.
    @Redsquare,
    Republicans protest the loudest? You seriously can’t be that dumb? Well you probably are but to jog your memory do you remember what seems like the thousands of gay right marches, or on college campuses the LBTGA groups that always seem to speak the loudest. Democrats have always been out pushing their message on everyone, not the Republicans.
    And just so you know where I’m coming from I’m physically conservative and socially liberal. Although I’m socially liberal I vote Republican every time because I believe in small Govt and am a fan of private businesses. As for gay’s I have no problem with them, my boss was one and was one of the best guys I’ve ever worked with. Although a co-worker of mine was gay and continually came onto me and others, that I did really have a problem with.
    Just so yo

  54. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 1:05 AM

    @ShallowFan
    You said, “i hope everyone realizes with this homobama administration that the majority is not always right…sometimes the majority is wrong and that is what some great men predicted would happen with our democracy over 200 years ago. when the minority is what is controlling our democracy then our country is doomed…kind of like now.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Oh yes – I agree with your bolded statement – the minority (the Republicans) are surely trying to destroy this country. I’m glad you realized it.
    I’m going to guess you’re from the South. That’s like getting a free pass from me. To a certain extent. Your homophobia shines through your post, as does your lack of education. As it pertains to the acceptance of people as they are, we – the majority – are NOT wrong.
    You’re wrong for spouting off your religion-based hatred of people. Let’s face it – only people who think homosexuality is a “sin” get all crazy about it.
    Oh. Wait… and often times, those who are gay, but can’t accept it, are even more rabid. Which group do you belong to?

  55. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 1:13 AM

    b033011 says:
    July 16, 2010 11:19 PM
    The problem is not ignorance. The problem is the minority having to push their gay agenda on the majority.
    A locker room is a place of business. What right does anyone have to bring sexuality in a place of business? What you do on your own time is your own business. Bringing it into the workplace should always be considered sexual harassment no matter what the orientation.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This is hilarious! Let’s go with your idea – NO sexual orientation in business. Starting now. You married people? No more wedding rings. No pictures of your spouses & kids and I don’t want to hear one word about the easy lay you had last night or your girlfriend or anything else that might indicate that you have an interest in the opposite sex. You gay people? Same goes – no wedding rings, no pictures, not one reference about whomever you’re dating.
    Oh – that’s not really what you meant was it? No, you wanted straight people to have special rights under your policy.
    Wedding rings? Awesome. Pictures of spouses/kids? Terrific! Stories about weddings, pregnancies, family vacations? Stupendous! And the gay people? Sit down, shut up and do more work because hey – you likely don’t have kids, so your existence isn’t nearly as important as mine.
    That’s really what you were trying to say, right?

  56. 69firebird says: Jul 17, 2010 1:20 AM

    Lets put 2 homo football players one one island and 1 straight football player and a cheerleader on another island. Come back after 100 years and see which island has people on it. The homo lifestyle is clearly be inferior.

  57. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 1:25 AM

    @MikeDaly
    You said, “Why SHOULD there be a policy of tolerance toward people violating basic biology in a “lifestyle” with an average life span of just 43 years? The problem is not ignorance, it’s the refusal of homosexuals to take responsibility for living a lifestyle that has no place in biology – they want society to accept them; why not take responsibility that this “lifestyle” really is wrong?”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Thank you for bringing your bigoted religious commentary to a football board. It’s delicious.
    Homosexuality is found throughout nature. Do a little research. Start with Bonobos monkeys. From there you can branch out to swans, dolphins & penguins. Enjoy!
    I find it disturbing that you bring up the “average life expectancy” in such a way as to infer that the average gay man lives a dangerous life. Do you do the same for children growing up in African American communities with excessive gang violence, or would appearing to be racist be a little too much for you?
    Ah yes – gay bashing & fat bashing: the last 2 prejudices that are most readily tolerated by the ignorant.
    HIV/AIDS affects more heterosexuals than homosexuals across the globe. And it hardly affects lesbians at all. But you probably think lesbians are ok, right? Or at least not as offensive? It’s a tragedy that so many young people have been lost to AIDS. It’s not something to gloat about and it certainly isn’t something to celebrate or use as yet another way to disparage a group of people who were no more and no less morally upstanding than you are – you were just lucky.
    As someone who lost 6 close friends in the early to mid 90′s to AIDS, I find your inference dispicable.

  58. Drithe says: Jul 17, 2010 1:37 AM

    It’s not that being gay is wrong. It is that when a man is gay he loses he SPHINCTER and by that loses much of his strength. The NFL requires the strongest and fastest to play. Being gay weakens a man. It is why you wont see hardly any GAY MEN play this game.
    It is too bad the Gay agenda movement(AKA Msnbc and ABC) has turned into such fatanical heritics for Gay rights that it turns a blind eye to reason and sanity.
    End of Line.

  59. catsville says: Jul 17, 2010 2:12 AM

    It’s funny how the loudest homophobes so often turn out to be gay themselves. Really, live and let live. Those that are so scared of people that are different than them are pitiful. I truly am glad I’m not afraid like these cry babies.

  60. pepsidrinker05 says: Jul 17, 2010 2:15 AM

    Being a gay man and who has watched Terrell Owens mannerisms and actions from his reality show believe he is gay on da real. This plus his everything we know has lead to his recent being blackballed.
    His hate on Jeff Garcia in San Francisco was just gay hating gay.

  61. Real Football Fan says: Jul 17, 2010 2:31 AM

    Skip Bayless went on the record in his book about the Cowboys, saying point blanck that Troy Aikman was gay. Surely didn’t “destroy” the locker room, and that was one colorful locker room.
    The people protesting the loudest are usually the one’s fighting those feelings the most (check the news wire sometimes). I couldn’t give a shit about how other people live their lives, and contrary to some morons opinions, that’s not a liberal or conservative view to take, it’s the human view to take. From what I’ve gathered over the years in talking to homosexual men and women, they seem to have been greatly influenced from some kind of childhood sexual trauma, which makes shunning these people later in life even more absurd. I mean, sit down and thinka bout how many people are sexually molested, men and women, which from what I can see seems to push a high percentage of homosexual people to that lifestyle later in life. All of you people taking shots and saying what “America” is all about, give me a break. America is a land of hypocrites like priests who molest kids, racists like Strom Thurmond who happen to have black babies somewhere because they love black women, and guys like Rush Limbaugh who condemn drug addicts despite being pill poppers. Stop being dumb asses. If anything, hypocrites thrive to easily in this wasteland while moving the majority of you idiots around on the chess board.

  62. ClownBurger says: Jul 17, 2010 3:12 AM

    The Media would LOVE for a lot of players to have problems with gay guys coming out of the closet, but in reality, I don’t think most of the NFL players would give a shit at all.
    In theater, there’s often gay guys in the dressing room. You think the straight guys give a shit?
    The Media want people to think this is an issue. Lots of people blindly follow the media’s lead, but the reality is, hardly anyone would really give a shit and the few who would care, probably wouldn’t say a word about it.
    The Media sucks. They really do.

  63. StripedWhiteJet says: Jul 17, 2010 3:13 AM

    I can’t believe some of the comments on here. Gay agenda? Defying biology? What a f***ing joke.
    Look at it this way: throughout history there have been countless minority groups that have been ostracized and treated unjustly. BUT, those groups have all made strides toward equality at some point in history. 100 years ago, it was women. 50 years ago, it was African-Americans. Today, it’s homosexuals. In 50 years, you’re going to look back on these days and wonder how you could have held such hateful and ridiculous views. The same way that young people today are disgusted by the way their elders treated African-Americans, young people in the future will look back at these days with similar disdain.

  64. BigMikeSkinsFan says: Jul 17, 2010 3:31 AM

    wiley,
    i live in SD and know what a bust you were as a player. you thought more about your dumb ass nickname then you thought about learning how to play the game.
    your thoughts on anything are a joke. and its a good thing that florio wrote this article because i am sure you 2 sat around talking about who would get the most flack for being the bigger idiot.

  65. TexasBubba says: Jul 17, 2010 3:32 AM

    There are Homosexuals in all walks of life including pro football. homosexual means same sex, sex doesen’t matter if you pitch or catch its still homosexual.

  66. sharkattack says: Jul 17, 2010 4:35 AM

    This post is gay.

  67. SwedishMurderMachine says: Jul 17, 2010 6:19 AM

    Oh Noes! I hope the gays don’t ruin football with their powerful agendas.

  68. Karva says: Jul 17, 2010 6:31 AM

    Please stop using the phrase “gay agenda”. It makes you sound stupid. If you think homosexuality is disgusting and horrible, fine that is your right as an American, but please come up with a different way to express yourself then just mindlessly repeating a stupid phrase. If you ask any gay person about his or her “gay agenda” they won’t know what you’re talking about.

  69. joetoronto says: Jul 17, 2010 6:41 AM

    If 2% of the population is gay, I venture to say that the percentage in the NFL is lower, probably allot lower.
    Stay with me here. Do you guys really believe the percentage of gay people is the same among construction workers, for example, as it is in say…hair stylists?
    My point is this, the number in the NFL is probably a fraction of 1%, making this story a non event.
    No homo.

  70. steely devil hab says: Jul 17, 2010 6:47 AM

    # Mike Daly says: July 17, 2010 12:06 AM
    Why SHOULD there be a policy of tolerance toward people violating basic biology in a “lifestyle” with an average life span of just 43 years? The problem is not ignorance, it’s the refusal of homosexuals to take responsibility for living a lifestyle that has no place in biology – they want society to accept them; why not take responsibility that this “lifestyle” really is wrong? It isn’t the gap between NFL locker rooms and society, it’s the gap between real biology and cultural relativism.
    ————————–
    Uh…sorry to spoil your chicken gizzards and grits, but there is homosexuality in nature.
    By your measure, we shouldn’t accept anything that doesn’t occur naturally – so are we throwing marriage out the window? Last time I looked there was nothing ‘biological’ about having just 1 wife…
    …you need to brush your teeth (the 7 you have left), put on your p.j.’s, go on up to bed and let the adults speak.
    Try to get a life…

  71. Pauli The Hook says: Jul 17, 2010 6:53 AM

    Psycho: The name’s Francis Soyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I’ll kill you.
    Tom Brady: Ooooooh.
    Psycho: You just made the list, buddy. And I don’t like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I’ll kill you. Also, I don’t like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I’ll kill you.
    Belicheat: Lighten up, Francis.

  72. PurpleNGold says: Jul 17, 2010 7:18 AM

    @ Mike Daly
    Why should you have tolerance for other people who don’t believe what you believe about biology?

  73. va4favre says: Jul 17, 2010 7:24 AM

    Except for the last sentence, I would give Florio credit for even raising the topic. I do think the NFL is anti gay, but the sports media is complacent is treating the gay players differently. I really don’t care that Aaron Rodgers is gay, but I am disgusted that the sports writers never even raise the issue that everyone in GB knows especially since his partner is a trainer on the Pack. I think he has tried to come out with comments both to the Sporting News and the GB Press Gazette. People in GB suspect that Ted Thompson is also gay, but again it is swept under the rug. The media should treat these players the same and then it would become a non-issue.

  74. LuvThatDirtyWatah says: Jul 17, 2010 7:39 AM

    Why is it considered “hate” when we disagree with the the gay lifestyle?
    I have gay family members and I disagree with their lifestyle, but I still love them and they know it. There is no “hate” involved whatsoever.
    Hate is an emotion. You cannot judge another person’s emotion. It’s impossible.
    If you’re gay – you’re gay. No need to shout it from the the rooftops and stick in the face of those who are uncomfortable with it or believe it’s wrong. It doesn’t mean we are uncomfortable b/c we have surpressed homosexual tendencies. I’d turn away in disgust if I saw a male horse mount another male horse b/c it’s unnatural.
    The one that gets me the most is equating “gay discrimination” with racism. Black people were lynched, made to sit at the back of the buses, forced to read signs that said “No coloreds allowed”, etc. The gay lobby has hijacked the civil rights movements in America and are using it in an attempt to legislate “equality”. If I were black I’d be outraged.
    Florio, I don’t even know what to make of you. I sure am getting tired of reading your crap (yet here I am posting this diatribe, so you must be doing something right).
    However, PFT is very close to earning “ignore” in my internet surfing. Please stick to relevant stories that are current to the NFL.

  75. DanSnyderSux says: Jul 17, 2010 7:39 AM

    The NFL locker-room has “no tolerance” for homosexuals, but it does seem to have an open-door policy for felons and @$$holes!

  76. Deaconofdefense says: Jul 17, 2010 7:40 AM

    It amazes me how some men are so insecure with their own sexuality. I could give a crap how many players are gay. I am a competitor in sports, work, or life I want to be first or bust my ass working at it. If a gay QB or LB would help my team win I would say sign that SOB! Like many in the NFL I’m a big fella, 6’4″ 300 lbs, I am very secure that there isn’t anyone gonna take advantage of me anywhere much less in a locker room or shower, it’s not like we’re in prison.
    I find this whole situation ridiculous. In the 3 major sports locker rooms are dominated by proud African Americans athletes that understand the struggle for equality. Players and humanitarians like Jim Brown have worked so hard for many years to have everyone in this country not just sports are created equal. Where is Jim Brown now? Does no one find irony in this situation?
    I’m a strait conservative, but whats right is right. I’m tired of the freaking hypocrites.

  77. JimmySmith says: Jul 17, 2010 7:43 AM

    Here is what I don’t understand, why is it even necessary for a gay guy to come out of the closet?
    It’s simply nobody else’s business but his own. I work in a creative industry where there are a large number of gays. I don’t sit around the water cooler discussing my sex life, whether I nailed her doggy style or on top of a running dishwasher, why should I even be exposed to what their sexual preference is?
    Having said that, I would advise any gay player to play for the Vikings. It is the only franchise that has a cross dressing head coach and a fan base that emulates the team by bending over and grabbing their ankles.

  78. august says: Jul 17, 2010 7:47 AM

    What about Kordell Stewart, the black gay?

  79. Old School says: Jul 17, 2010 7:50 AM

    The Secular Progressives will never understand
    the natural aversion most people have to abhorrent, unatural behavior.

  80. texline says: Jul 17, 2010 7:53 AM

    I just don’t understand why peoples sexual preferences has anything to do with their jobs. It’s the same old story. Somebody trying to force their morals ( and I use that word lightly) on others, and using whatever means necessary to accomplish it. Bottom line is, it’s not your choice. And if you think it is, then you should be euthanized for the better of society. We won’t miss you.

  81. steve g says: Jul 17, 2010 8:06 AM

    I’m a homo phobe and damn proud of it!
    I’m proud of the NFL locker rooms standing up to all that homophobia BS propoganda. Those dudes are real men, and that is why that ‘Gay’ crap doesn’t fly in an NFL locker room.
    The term ‘Homophobia’ was a very cleverly crafted word to try to convince people that those who have a problem with men having sex with other men are the ones with the problem (a phobia).
    The ploy was successful in way too many cases. But Obviously not in the NFL.

  82. Pash says: Jul 17, 2010 8:13 AM

    I am all for gay rights. Never really got why people have a problem with it. Here is what I do have a problem with…
    Libs on the site assuming that those people that make any comment against gay rights are homophobic and/or Republican. Grow the F up. They have a perfect right to their opinion, even though it is opposite mine.
    Oh, and in case you are wondering where I stand politically. I’m an Independent who has only voted for on Republican for President, John McCain. Liberals, that’s your cue to call me a racist since I didn’t vote for President Obama.

  83. football spirit says: Jul 17, 2010 8:13 AM

    Why all this talk about gays coming out in the NFL? Ridiculous! The teams need to have a hard-on for the other team, not their own teammates. So they’d at least need a separate locker room. And who’d throw them the balls anyway? Because anyone who did would surely be found out and ostracized to the gay locker room for the rest of their career.

  84. billsfan1 says: Jul 17, 2010 8:20 AM

    Aaron Rodgers had no problem laying spread eagled on his back on national tv last year…..think he did it like 50+ ti
    why wouldnt he? every time your mom flashed her meat patties, the entire team went to town on her.. why would rodgers be any different…..
    and i doubt he laid on his back for her…. im sure he is strong but not sure he could handle 479 lbs of strong black woman sitting on his face…. im not saying bro… im just sayin’

  85. bugslayer says: Jul 17, 2010 8:35 AM

    Old School brings up a major point. The secular progressives as he calls them seem to have far less problems with gays then those with thier various religious views. As in most cases this hate for gays is bred in the same spot that hate for abortionists and those from rival religions……IN CHURCH!
    Having traveled in many places in the world I have discovered that Americans are stuck with the archaic concepts that thier Puritan forefathers stuck them with. I have sat back and laughed at American tourists shielding the eyes of thier children because some woman was topless…..ABSURD.
    The same group who deny science, claim the earth is only 6000 years old and that man rode dinosaurs.
    The Catholic Church has been dead set against homosexuality for generations……LOL look how well that has worked out for them. There are alter boys being bent over on a daily basis by the very priests preaching against it. Look at Haggard, Rekers and how many other of these rabid anti-gay preachers are polesmokers? I find the church is filled with hypocrisy preach love, teach hate.

  86. Akron Rules says: Jul 17, 2010 8:41 AM

    I amazed that most of you could type without worrying about bleeding on your keyboards. You people worrying about the “gay agenda” (what is this, the 1980s?) really have no clue.

  87. Bertil says: Jul 17, 2010 8:42 AM

    That entire article reads like it was written by an ambulance chaser trolling for business. Just what the Society needs, Mike…MORE VICTIMS.
    Trial Lawyers to the rescue!

  88. Ska4Life says: Jul 17, 2010 8:42 AM

    “Until then, the gap between the NFL locker room and the rest of society will continue to grow”
    Apparently that gap isn’t as wide as you thought…

  89. Bird Man says: Jul 17, 2010 9:09 AM

    It’s Peter Van Nostrand.

  90. hounds64 says: Jul 17, 2010 9:21 AM

    I can’t tolerate Braylon Edwards, but its not because of his sexuality, more his play on the field. He has several flaws as a player.
    He simply has limp wrists and couldn’t hold on to the pointy balls as well!

  91. Silver Back says: Jul 17, 2010 9:28 AM

    You people do know what gay men do to each other don’t you?

  92. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 9:35 AM

    “Silver Back says: July 17, 2010 9:28 AM
    You people do know what gay men do to each other don’t you?”
    The exact same thing thousands of straight couples do? And actually, since buttsex isn’t even the most frequent sexual activity in gay couples, the same things EVERY straight couple does?
    Jesus, if you think it’s gross, why think about it? I think two outrageously fat people banging is gross. Know what? I don’t think about it…..And I don’t try to infringe on their right to do it.
    Why? Because I have a life of my own I’d rather be preoccupied with.

  93. TheWizard says: Jul 17, 2010 9:36 AM

    Why do some people so desperately want their sexuality to be known?

  94. macaw says: Jul 17, 2010 9:42 AM

    If I were sharing a locker room with 52 naked women, it would be physically obvious that I was straight. Can a gay guy hide his orientation in a room full of naked guys?

  95. Pauli The Hook says: Jul 17, 2010 9:46 AM

    Silver Back says:
    July 17, 2010 9:28 AM
    You people do know what gay men do to each other don’t you?
    Ummmm They wear Scarf’s around their neck, Sipp Tea and gaze into eachother’s eye’s while talking about their day???????
    They Read Books about House cleaning and Gardening?
    They Smoke Pole Vs Cigar’s?
    They Have Tom Brady Poster’s in the Bathroom?
    They Love Sack?? Ball Sack That Is….

  96. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 9:48 AM

    “macaw says: July 17, 2010 9:42 AM
    If I were sharing a locker room with 52 naked women, it would be physically obvious that I was straight. Can a gay guy hide his orientation in a room full of naked guys?”
    You’re assuming that gay men find all other men attractive. Or that personal relationships don’t factor into the equation.
    I can go skinny dipping with close female friends and not become aroused. Why? Because I don’t think about them in that way.
    Wouldn’t you think the same could apply in a close team atmosphere?

  97. football spirit says: Jul 17, 2010 9:55 AM

    Why a gay guy has to ruin the NFL just to play a game of “Pick Up the Soap” is awfully selfish!

  98. StripedWhiteJet says: Jul 17, 2010 9:56 AM

    “Libs on the site assuming that those people that make any comment against gay rights are homophobic and/or Republican. Grow the F up. They have a perfect right to their opinion, even though it is opposite mine.”
    @Pash,
    There is a difference between an opinion and bigotry. Sure, the idea that African-Americans are inferior to Anglo-Americans is an OPINION, but that doesn’t make that opinion at all acceptable. It’s the same thing here. Saying that a group of people do not deserve the right to marry, be open about their sexuality, serve in the military and in some private sector positions (NFL?), or be able to benefit from tax breaks that come with marriage, is just ridiculous. Think about it- you could have said many of those things about African-Americans 50 years ago. I’m still going to be honest and say that anyone who had/has those views about either group is undeserving of my time or my respect.

  99. Flyingelvislogosucksbringbackpatpatriot says: Jul 17, 2010 9:56 AM

    “Lets put 2 homo football players one one island and 1 straight football player and a cheerleader on another island. Come back after 100 years and see which island has people on it. The homo lifestyle is clearly be inferior.”
    I guess that means the latter island will have brothers doing sisters, they will name that Island West Virginia

  100. Buffalo Stampede says: Jul 17, 2010 10:01 AM

    We are all sinners … I’m not a homophobe But being gay is a choice that is just wrong … Just like all off the other things that players do wrong … I don’t care if u play football just admit ur not do something that is acceptable

  101. Bob Nelson says: Jul 17, 2010 10:06 AM

    There are no homosexuals in the NFL.
    Should a player lie and say he is homosexual he would immediately face suspension for “conduct detrimental to the league.”
    There will be no homosexuals in the NFL.

  102. bluestree says: Jul 17, 2010 10:18 AM

    “Although I’m socially liberal I vote Republican every time because I believe in small Govt and am a fan of private businesses.”
    When did the Republicans EVER educe the size of Government? Ever? lol
    OSHA Republican
    EPA Repuclican
    “Homeland” Security (sounds Nazi doesn’t it?)
    Deficit Spending Republican
    Economic Meltdown Republican
    The only thing the Republicans have reduced the size of is the American Middle Class. Sheep.

  103. buffalou says: Jul 17, 2010 10:23 AM

    In the not do distant past, a team basically ran one of their Pro Bowl players out of town because of this issue.
    It wasn’t just that the player was gay, it was that the player hid it and then got busted in a homosexual act.
    What is interesting is the fact that the ousted player’s new team was aware of his sexual preference, but accepted him anyway. I have to think that disclosure made all the difference. That, and talent on the field.

  104. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 10:31 AM

    “Buffalo Stampede says: July 17, 2010 10:01 AM
    We are all sinners … I’m not a homophobe But being gay is a choice that is just wrong”
    Actually, it’s biological. It is in no way shape or form a choice.
    However, being willfully ignorant IS a choice. And that is wrong.

  105. bucc19 says: Jul 17, 2010 10:47 AM

    It’s funny how the loudest homophobes so often turn out to be gay themselves. Really, live and let live. Those that are so scared of people that are different than them are pitiful. I truly am glad I’m not afraid like these cry babies.
    Whats even funnier is that they are all Cryking fans ripping on Aaron Rodgers..I guess that explains what we already know about the Cryking fans and why the “crying game ” song is their new fight song.

  106. PSMITH says: Jul 17, 2010 10:58 AM

    How is a gay man showering with other men different than straight man showering with with women? Men and women usually have separate facilities for a reason, right?
    Is homosexuality about love or sex? I love my grandmother. I love my best male friend. I love my kids. I choose not to have sex with any of them. Love and sex are not the same thing and they are not interchangeable. Isn’t homosexuality about who you choose to have sex with?
    Do not compare the struggle of homosexuals to the struggles of African-Americans. It is insulting to African-Americans. Do you really believe being born with dark skin is the same as putting another man’s penis in your mouth or anus?
    My belief, that I cannot force on anyone else, is that homosexuality is a sin, as is sex with anyone outside of marriage, and lying. That being said, we are all guilty of sin. We are called to love everyone because Christ died for everyone. Even those people, some so-called Christians hate. Accept, Believe, Confess and repent.
    I know that is real preachy for a football forum and may receive some venom from both sides, but I’m okay with that.

  107. steely devil hab says: Jul 17, 2010 11:00 AM

    TFBuckFutter says: July 17, 2010 10:31 AM
    “Buffalo Stampede says: July 17, 2010 10:01 AM
    We are all sinners … I’m not a homophobe But being gay is a choice that is just wrong”
    Actually, it’s biological. It is in no way shape or form a choice.
    However, being willfully ignorant IS a choice. And that is wrong
    —————————-
    You sir, are correct. Don’t try to tell that to the church, they view it as a lifestyle choice…
    …for everyone else who went to grade school and had that one special little boy in class, you know the one; he would always hang out with the girls instead of playing sports. Never participated in gym class, was very artistic, did typing class later at high school…guess what? The kid was gay.
    Did he DECIDE at 7 years old that he was making a lifestyle choice?
    Knuckleheads…

  108. twizzlystick says: Jul 17, 2010 11:04 AM

    Bob Nelson says: July 17, 2010 10:06 AM
    There are no homosexuals in the NFL.
    ****************************************
    Bob Nelson, how can you say that when you’re a Packer fan and Aaron Rodgers is pretty much openly gay with a Packers trainer? How can you hate on your own QB just because of his sexual preference??

  109. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 11:18 AM

    @Steve G
    You said, “I’m a homo phobe and damn proud of it!
    I’m proud of the NFL locker rooms standing up to all that homophobia BS propoganda. Those dudes are real men, and that is why that ‘Gay’ crap doesn’t fly in an NFL locker room.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I’m sorry your advances towards other men have been rejected in the past. This has obviously left you bitter & bereft.
    What a tiny little mind you have. Proud to be a bigot? Great… are you a member of a white supremacist group as well? Just how tiny & pathic does your world view get? And I’m generous in indicating you might have a “world” view… it’s more like a small hamlet or village view based on your “observations”.

  110. Sweetness34 says: Jul 17, 2010 11:26 AM

    Don’t ask don’t tell!

  111. Norseman says: Jul 17, 2010 11:39 AM

    It’s at once sad and hilarious that most anti-gay types think that gays in the locker-room are just dying to jump any naked guy and give him good reaming. It just shows the depths of ignorance about being gay.
    Straight guys don’t put moves on every woman that cross their path and gay guys don’t do that with other men.
    Gay men aren’t necessarily asking that you like them or that you approve of their life-style. They only ask not to be discriminated against based on their sexuality and that they be accorded respect for their abilities on the field. What’s wrong with that? African Americans asked for the same thing. Same with Hispanics and Asians.
    I’m not gay, but I do have a physical disability and have dealt with various forms of ignorance and discrimination since I was 17. Lighten up and let them play openly without harassment.

  112. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 11:43 AM

    Am I the only one that thinks when people say “Being homosexual is a choice” it’s because they themselves are actually gay and DID make a choice NOT to be gay?
    I never CHOSE to be attracted to women, I just am. But I don’t think that’s the case for every “straight” individual, ESPECIALLY homophobes.

  113. CurseofBoJackson says: Jul 17, 2010 11:46 AM

    “The Secular Progressives will never understand
    the natural aversion most people have to abhorrent, unatural behavior.”
    By “secular progressives” do you mean folks who develop their own opinions and thoughts based on their experiences and education rather than let a two thousand year old book written by “god” tell them what to do? Or did you just mean folks who don’t let Bill O’Reilly think for them? Or is it both? Are you aware that there is a ‘christian’ organization in this country giving gobs of money to a government in Uganda that is pushing laws that require that gays to be put to death just for being gay? Does that sound hypocritical to you? Or does the term ‘hyposcrasy’ only apply when it’s convenient for the zealotrous religious right to point a finger at someone else?
    Lastly, to Bob Nelson, you’re right ya know? Just like there are no sex offenders living in your neighborhood, and nobody YOU know does anything YOU don’t know about or approve of. Stay in your bubble Bob, it’s safer for you there.

  114. football spirit says: Jul 17, 2010 11:46 AM

    Don’t ask, don’t tell! If it’s good enough for the military, it’s good enough for the NFL!

  115. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 17, 2010 11:47 AM

    Homosexuality is a choice. It is a behavior. Just like drug addiction, alcoholism, or addictions to porn, sex, eating sugary food, or a thousand other examples.
    Being black or white or woman or male is not. Don’t compare them.
    You may say that someone may have homosexual tendencies that make them “born” gay. Well, talk to druggies or alcoholics who say that they have a genetic disposition to addiction.
    My dad was an alcoholic and so I rarely touch the stuff. I stay away from the temptation and keep that lifestyle away from me.
    People battling the perverse homosexual temptations can make the same choices.
    The devil is real and knows how to push our buttons and turn us into the sinners he wants us to be.

  116. Ilovefoolsball says: Jul 17, 2010 11:57 AM

    Well considering that there is an entire NFL franchise that is a beacon of hope for homosexuals As they proudly wear the gay pride color (purple), I think there is hope for there being more tolerance in the league.
    If the NFL can accept the Minnesota Vikings and their gay lfestyle they should be able to accept anyone.

  117. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 17, 2010 11:57 AM

    @Norseman, your disability is not a decision. It is not a behavior. Neither is being male, female, black, Hispanic, Asian or white (unless you are Michael Jackson).
    Homosexuality is a choice. Just like visiting prostitutes, using alcohol, drugs, or whatever Shawn Merriman was doing with Tila Tequila or whatever.

  118. Shaun Lowrie says: Jul 17, 2010 12:18 PM

    There is no point trying to preach to homophobes. They represent morons everywhere and are not I repeat NOT insecure about people maybe thinking they are gay because they didn’t immediately feign disgust at anything that mentions homosexuality.

  119. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 12:25 PM

    @PSMITH
    You said, “Is homosexuality about love or sex? I love my grandmother. I love my best male friend. I love my kids. I choose not to have sex with any of them. Love and sex are not the same thing and they are not interchangeable. Isn’t homosexuality about who you choose to have sex with?”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Please. Are you purposely trying to be obtuse? Or are you advocating that incest might be a valid option? The love you feel for a friend, your kids, your grandmother is NOT the same love you feel for your spouse.
    Homosexuals are not gay just because they have sex with someone of the same sex. I guarantee you that there are many men and women who have had sex with people of the same gender but are not gay, or even bisexual. It’s the dating & their connection to someone of the same sex that truly makes someone gay.

  120. numberfour says: Jul 17, 2010 12:28 PM

    gays dont want ‘rights’. they want ‘privilege’ and out unamerican elite wants to give them those privileges. over you. financial and otherwise.
    read up on what is happening in hungary sometime. it’s like the soviets, who werent really russian btw, were back in charge.
    name one great civilization that stayed great after gays got what they wanted.
    u cant. because the rise of gays is the death of a society. they are predatory and contribute nothing.
    if u think they are so harmless, let them watch yer kids.
    and forget this “blacks dont tolerate gays” crapola. there are way more black transvestite gay hookers running around out there than the other biological groupings, cause blacks take to abusing each other naturally, when they cant find anyone else to attack.
    yes blacks commit all hate crime between blacks and whites, and that now appears to be gummint policy too…
    that some gays exist here and there, and always have, is irrelevant. there will always be outliers in a population. the issue is the elevation of the sick and twisted and abnormal way above the normal. very few gays are that way biologically, it’s mostly due to bad nurturing.
    the media is full of feces. and apparently a lot of your minds have willingly absorbed that feces and believe it to be manna from heaven.

  121. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 12:35 PM

    @Sportspsychotic
    You said, “Homosexuality is a choice. Just like visiting prostitutes, using alcohol, drugs, or whatever Shawn Merriman was doing with Tila Tequila or whatever.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You are ignorant as hell.
    I have a friend who is a lesbian. I have many friends that are gay – but I’m going to tell you this story just about one of them. When Nancy was 5, she told her mother that when she grew up she was going to marry a woman and be a chemical engineer. Well, when she went to college, she majored in Chemical Engineering and earned her degree. Later, when she came out, her mother was shocked. But why? Nancy knew exactly how her life would be at 5. Are you really trying to say that she chose at 5 years old (in Arkansas – which isn’t gay-friendly) to be gay?
    You’re ridiculous in your religious bigotry. Let’s be clear on one thing: the only “choice” being made in your posts is the one where you’ve chosen to believe in an imaginary friend in the sky who allegedly frowns upon gay people. You choose to be ignorant. On purpose.

  122. thats_what_she_said says: Jul 17, 2010 12:43 PM

    Zed gave it to Marcellus in Pulp Fiction.

  123. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 17, 2010 12:53 PM

    So, the enemy got a hold of her at an early age? Thank you for proving that the enemy can get a hold of kids at an early age.

  124. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 12:59 PM

    “Sportspsychotic says: July 17, 2010 11:47 AM
    Homosexuality is a choice. It is a behavior. Just like drug addiction, alcoholism, or addictions to porn, sex, eating sugary food, or a thousand other examples.”
    So you’re saying that, in your opinion, having sex with another man is so appealing that you could get addicted to it, and that is the only reason you don’t do it?
    You sir, are gay. The sooner you accept it, the happier you will be (you know, except when you have to converse with confused and/or wildly ignorant individuals like….well….you.)

  125. Sterling says: Jul 17, 2010 1:11 PM

    People who say homosexuality is a “lifestyle choice” (as if heterosexuality would ever be categorized as such) need to study the science. Science has now proven that homosexuality is no more a choice than heterosexuality. It is rooted in physical and chemical differences (in the hypothalamus, for example) that make it virtually impossible for a homosexual to ever derive true satisfaction from a heterosexual relationship. Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom, so it’s no wonder that it exists in humans, too. In other words, there’s no “agreeing” or “disagreeing” with the lifestyle. Those who are gay can no more help it than they can help the color of their skin.
    Here’s one study: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040309073256.htm
    And when players in the NFL, and the rest of the world, finally accept what science has already shown, then there won’t be any issues with gays in the locker room. Or anywhere else.

  126. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 1:18 PM

    @numberfour
    You said “the media is full of feces. and apparently a lot of your minds have willingly absorbed that feces and believe it to be manna from heaven.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Seems like you’re the one with feces for brains.
    The acceptance of homosexuals has never destroyed a society. You know what has though (i.e. Rome)? Having a standing military and empire building. Our founding fathers warned against it – but the Republicans just can’t stop doing it. The GOP, not homosexuals, will bring this country down.
    I’d tell you to pull your head out – but were it not for feces, your head would just be empty.

  127. Skol Pride28 says: Jul 17, 2010 1:23 PM

    I LOVE WHEN GREEN BAY FANS SAY THE VIKINGS ARE GAY BECAUSE THEY WHERE PURPLE HA HA…..THIS COMING FROM THE TEAM THAT IS CALLED THE PACKERS….YEAH NOTHING GAY ABOUT THAT!!! LOL

  128. 1137vine says: Jul 17, 2010 1:31 PM

    Finally a reason to respect the character of the players in the NFL.

  129. the real deal says: Jul 17, 2010 1:36 PM

    Fact is I ain’t want no gay guy in my locker room staring at my junk and beating his stick to it. Gays can step on the field, that is fine but get them their own locker room!
    Otherwise if gays are allowed to be in a room with their preferred sex, I want the cheerleaders naked in their too, so I get equall rights to the gays.
    I have played football with gays, and they are great guys, but I ain’t hanging my junk infront of them to store images in their wank bank…
    However, I will consider if all is equal and their are a bunch of nude women in the room as well…
    Keep it fair! or get the gays their own room…..

  130. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 1:42 PM

    “Sterling says: July 17, 2010 1:11 PM
    People who say homosexuality is a “lifestyle choice” (as if heterosexuality would ever be categorized as such) need to study the science. Science has now proven that homosexuality is no more a choice than heterosexuality.”
    It’s not recent. We learned in college psychology that they long ago studied the brains of deceased homosexuals and heterosexuals and, I don’t remember the exact language, but basically homosexual male brains have more “feminine receptors” and lesbian brains have more “masculine receptors” when compared to their heterosexual counterparts.
    This information wasn’t widely publicized though. Why? Because of fear that people like the ignorant bigots in this thread would then deem it “brain damage” and attempt to institutionalize them.

  131. SKINSFANTOM says: Jul 17, 2010 1:43 PM

    LIBERALISM is a MENTAL DISORDER and can be CURED, I’m now fully convinced of this. You call people names because they disagree with you? Now who’s being the ignorant DOUCHE?

  132. football spirit says: Jul 17, 2010 2:52 PM

    Bringing biology into this conversation is a non- factor in what activities a person decides to engage in; every intelligent person knows we’re not supposed to think like animals. The person is the soul inside the body; and the body is just the vehicle. People whose consciousness is enveloped by sexuality are referred to as animals. Let’s leave the animals on the football field and agree that the person inside the body is the one who makes their choices, rather than trying to justify debauching behavior on biology.

  133. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 2:54 PM

    @the real deal
    You said, “Fact is I ain’t want no gay guy in my locker room staring at my junk and beating his stick to it. Gays can step on the field, that is fine but get them their own locker room!”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Something tells me that if someone did accidentally catch sight of your junk, the only beating that would go on is the person’s hand slapping the table as they laugh.

  134. Norseman says: Jul 17, 2010 3:21 PM

    The ignorance, stupidity, and bigotry in this thread is incredible. Completely fantasy based.

  135. bluestree says: Jul 17, 2010 3:32 PM

    “The GOP, not homosexuals, will bring this country down.”
    @VikingPrincess; How can someone who knows so little about football know so much about politics? During the American revolution there were no “Republicans”. They were called “Tories”.
    —————————————
    @football spirit; Your entire post is based on a value judment. Can you grok that?
    —————————————
    @skins fantom; You decry name calling, after calling liberals “mental”. Just adding the word “ill” doesn’t mean you’re not calling names. I’m calling you a hypocrite. At least I’m being intellectually honest.

  136. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 17, 2010 3:37 PM

    You have to love it when when people call names. Have I ever in any of my posts done so? No.
    To clarify, I don’t hate homosexuals any more than I do heroine addicts. In some ways, I pity homosexuals. They are battling an addiction that is becoming even worse by those that want to coddle them and tell them their behavior is acceptable.
    Imagine what alcoholics would face if we accepted their behavior in a similar fashion and passed laws saying that you can’t discriminate against alcohol addicts.

  137. bluestree says: Jul 17, 2010 3:57 PM

    @Sportspsychotic; You’ve never called any names in your posts? Then you proceed to call Homosexuals “addicts”.

  138. ClownBurger says: Jul 17, 2010 4:06 PM

    The players wouldn’t care.
    The Media would.

  139. Occam says: Jul 17, 2010 4:15 PM

    “Sportspsychotic says:
    Homosexuality is a choice.”
    Was choosing heterosexuality over homosexuality a difficult choice for you or an easy one? What percentage of you, would you say, was leaning towards homosexuality? Just wondering.

  140. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 4:33 PM

    Occam, if you’ll notice, he keeps equating it with addiction. Which suggests that is all that is keeping him from doing it. The negative consequences that come from being addicted to something.

  141. Real Football Fan says: Jul 17, 2010 4:36 PM

    truushot,
    Yes, I agree that the intolerance in the black community is a factor in the uphill battle the NFL faces with the current percentages, but in fairness no openly gay men have come out in the NHL either when their definitely are some. This intolerance in the black community has led many of the gay men to lead the “DL” lifestyle, which has greatly contributed to them engaging in high risk behavior that has made black women the highest rising AIDS group in America in recent years because of the low tolerance. Therefore, changing perceptions about homosexuals in the black community would be job number one for the NFL (and NBA also) to specifically ease a homosexual man’s burden in the locker room, since not only are these men carrying on the “macho” traditions of the NFL, but also carrying the intolerance of the black communities they’ve stemmed from.
    The percentage of openly gay people might be 3%, but you’re crazy if you think the actual numbers are that low. As I stated earlier, I believe homosexuality often is preceded by some childhood sexual trauma, which unfortunately occurs far too often in this world. NFL players aren’t any different because they were once children as well. You barely have girls reporting abuse, so what do you think the men do? Gees, just look at the Catholic church (the country’s largest) and their scandals. You don’t think those children were at all affected sexually by these acts? And you’d prefer they just suppress those feelings when they’re not hurting anyone?
    In hair stylists you might have more flamboyant gay men, but that doesn’t account for that masculine guy who you don’t know what he’s done with who behind closed doors. I’ve had the privilege of observing the entertainment business and their players up close in the past, which is rampant with bisexuality and outright homosexuality with some of the people who “appear” to be some of the straightest arrows in the book. Even in that liberal community, you couldn’t imagine the lengths publicists go to keep their clients closeted. Why do you think the NFL (or any of the major sports for that matter) is any different. Because they walk “straight?” Because you see them with a bevy of hotties routinely?
    And if you look around you and opened your eyes past what you want to see, you’d see that some of the very people in your own life who you think are straight, indeed are not. It’s really not that hard to see, and then you should realize how absurd it is to think that gay people are frothing at the mouth to “turn” you gay. They wouldn’t turn you gay no more than a fat girl could turn you into a chubby chaser, lol. usually the people screaming the loudest like Roy Ashburn in CAlifornia, Trent Lott, Mark Foley, Eric Massa, etc. are usually the guys railing the most against gays while having these secret lives.
    It’s utterly absurd as I know from the entertainment industry’s practice, these people often have a way to identify their own without disturbing your world. You homophobes should take the stance I’ve always taken, one less man interested in women, means more options for me, lol.

  142. bugslayer says: Jul 17, 2010 4:38 PM

    Sportspsychotic: You need to shorten your name…to just Psycho! Somehow I get the idea you’re a member of Westboro Baptist church? or some other Baptist cult.?I’ve known a number of gays who were obviously gay from early childhood. They have one and all grown up to be good hearted honest people. The only “enemy” they ever had to deal with was people like you.
    PS moron: drug addiction,alcoholism, gambling are all diseases. Being gay isn’t a choice or a disease, simply a fact.
    While you are out there pondering such great notions oh religious one answer me this one question! God created ADAM and EVE, who begat CAIN and ABLE. correct? where did Cain and Ables wives come from? Just for the record… I AM an ordained minister, and in my church God loves everyone.

  143. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 4:58 PM

    @Bluestree
    You said, “How can someone who knows so little about football know so much about politics? During the American revolution there were no “Republicans”. They were called “Tories”.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    I assume you meant the reverse of what you said – that you think I know little about politics and so much about football based on your history lesson about Tories. Although I have to admit I don’t see what people who were loyal to the British crown after the Revolutionary war has to do with the present day GOP bringing this country down – unless you think they’re loyal to the British crown?
    I assure you that I know a lot about both football and politics. If you go back and read my post, I stated that our founding fathers warned against a standing military and empire building. That’s in the past.
    My reference to Republicans & the GOP is present day. You quoted this from my original post: “The GOP, not homosexuals, will bring this country down.” You’ll note the future, not past, tense is used. My point was that Republicans are warmongers. They’ve kept us in or sent us to war for nearly half my life at this point. All for the profit of corporations at the expense of the tax payer.
    We can debate the downfall of the Whigs next if you’d like.

  144. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 17, 2010 5:02 PM

    @Bugslayer:
    You wrote “Sportspsychotic: You need to shorten your name…to just Psycho! Somehow I get the idea you’re a member of Westboro Baptist church?”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I thought the same thing.

  145. GBfanForever says: Jul 17, 2010 5:05 PM

    So its wrong to be gay in the nfl but you can be a rapist like big Ben? Seriously folks, quit worrying about who people have sex with as long as its consenting. What are you afraid of?

  146. Shaun Lowrie says: Jul 17, 2010 5:16 PM

    Amazing how people manage to hold such strong views on something that doesn’t really affect them in a direct way.

  147. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 17, 2010 5:18 PM

    God loves everyone in my church also (no not a member of a Baptist church or a cult of any kind). We love sinners, not their behavior. How can you call yourself a man of god and accept sexual defiants? Does your church promote the lifestyle choices of prostitutes, too?

  148. ed43228 says: Jul 17, 2010 5:22 PM

    Maybe Marcellus is gay and that is why florio
    asked him to comment on this story anyway
    it does not matter who is gay if we have a
    black president then maybe its time that
    homosexuels be excepted in locker rooms.
    For those homophobes out there maybe
    they could corden off a section of the locker
    room and showers for gays only. I pretty
    sure that no matter if a man is gay or straight
    he can tackle,catch a ball and run with a ball.

  149. Mrsteve says: Jul 17, 2010 5:26 PM

    stephen davis made the mistake of calling michael westbrook a fag & got his ass beat. Just because someone is gay doesn’t mean they can’t kick your butt. Lyle Alzado. He would kill someone. Who cares if Kordell Stewart & Aaron Rodgers are pillow bitters.

  150. twizzlystick says: Jul 17, 2010 5:26 PM

    I’m sure that Aaron Rodgers isn’t the only one in the NFL and really it shouldn’t be anyone’s business except for him and his partner.

  151. Delhommed says: Jul 17, 2010 5:32 PM

    Florio, stick to football from now on! Two weeks from training camp and we are talking political BS on profootballtalk. Hope Steve Smith cracks your nose when he finally sees you!

  152. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 5:42 PM

    “Real Football Fan says: July 17, 2010 4:36 PM
    The percentage of openly gay people might be 3%, but you’re crazy if you think the actual numbers are that low. As I stated earlier, I believe homosexuality often is preceded by some childhood sexual trauma, which unfortunately occurs far too often in this world”
    I didn’t read your entire post as it was quite long, but it did appear to be quite thoughtful.
    This, however, is unequivocally untrue. I even recall posing that suggestion to my college psych 101 professor, and there is no evidence of a higher incidence of homosexuality in abuse sufferers.
    It may be that a lot of homosexuals have suffered abuse, but that actually could stem from their orientation, and not the other way around….i.e. they are physically abused by closed-minded parents who identify gay traits early on, or they are sexually abused by predators who can pick up on those traits as well, but abuse does NOT cause homosexuality.

  153. bcb171 says: Jul 17, 2010 5:56 PM

    I dont care about people being gay because it doesnt effect my family. This is not saying Im for the culture that many gays seem to preach. Really the only thing Im ever worried about is my families health, work, and spending time with my children. I think most family people are the same. When I read this I thought about two things. Hollywood sensationalizes gays as, sorry to say, (flamers) not gigantic and incredibly strong men that are built like maybe 1 percent of the population. And that image holds true in the NFL. The second thing is that the reaction of most men in a locker room, if a woman were to come in, would be to cover up their area ya know? It makes most feel uncomfortable. Just like a gay man I would think.

  154. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 17, 2010 5:59 PM

    OK. Let me end this without bold or capital letters. bugslayer, do you condone sexual sin with prostitutes? do you condone sex with multiple partners? how about with animals? how about sex with both males and females (bisexuals)? What makes your line any more valid than mine? (I mean other than the bible that you allegedly use to teach to your congregation?

  155. Brewster says: Jul 17, 2010 6:00 PM

    Congratulations Florio.
    You found a topic that generates more hits than Favre, Roethlisberger, Vick or Tebow (Interesting that they’re all QB’s).
    As I mentioned is an earlier post on this topic the comments were very predictable, some very funny, and once again I’ll suggest they demonstrate a need for a minimum intelligence test before you allow someone to post on the site.

  156. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 17, 2010 7:45 PM

    “Shaun Lowrie says: July 17, 2010 5:16 PM
    Amazing how people manage to hold such strong views on something that doesn’t really affect them in a direct way.”
    But their kids may see it! And how are they EVER going to explain it? Can you imagine having to crush a little kids sense of reality by saying “Some people like boys and some people like girls. Either way is ok because that’s how they are made.”
    How could a child POSSIBLY comprehend that?

  157. Occam says: Jul 17, 2010 7:47 PM

    “VikingsPrincess says:
    We can debate the downfall of the Whigs next if you’d like.”
    What’s to debate? Everyone agrees that they are too hot on a sunny day and don’t really look like real hair.

  158. bugslayer says: Jul 17, 2010 8:32 PM

    I personally draw the line at sex with animals. What a man or woman (women if you prefer) does behind thier own doors affects me not. As long as all partners are consenting adults, I could care less. (by the way it is deviant….not defiant, great I’m argueing with Archie Bunker) Look up the definition of deviant it means against the norm….deviant is a label that the majority uses to stygmitize those who challenge thier beliefs/mores…….excuse me Archie thier norms.
    Deviant..liberal…socialist, all labels to pound down people who think different than you, if indeed you think at all.
    Hey Vikingsprincess: I majored in history, I’d love to talk about the downfall of the whigs….and yes they are hot.

  159. burntorangehorn says: Jul 17, 2010 10:53 PM

    What the hell relevance does religion have in a thread about football lockerrooms, anyway? Using any religion as a basis of discrimination in the lockerroom is not only a violation of equal employment opportunity, but also creates a hostile work environment, which is a form of sexual harassment. The NFL, or at the very least the team, would find itself very, very sued if there were even the appearance of condoning the no-tolerance environment that Wiley describes, so I really do hope some active players decide it’s time to come out of the closet.
    Fortunately Bob Gates, current SECDEF, is working hard to reduce discrimination based on gender and sexual orientation.

  160. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Jul 18, 2010 12:55 AM

    Nothing devalues a post as much as the phrase “twizzlystick says:”

  161. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 18, 2010 4:53 AM

    @TFBuckFutter
    You said, “But their kids may see it! And how are they EVER going to explain it? Can you imagine having to crush a little kids sense of reality by saying “Some people like boys and some people like girls. Either way is ok because that’s how they are made.”
    How could a child POSSIBLY comprehend that?”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    A child doesn’t have any problem comprehending it. In fact, it isn’t until the parents teach them to be bigoted that the child has a problem with it.
    Personal example: my best friend’s daughter (who was 6 when this happened), came home from school one day, excited about something she’d learned from her friend Madison. My honorary niece had learned that Madison had 2 mommies. You know what my friend’s daughter had to say about that? “Madison is the luckiest person in the world. Imagine: TWO mommies!!!”
    No comprehension problems at all. No judgment. Total acceptance. When my friend’s daughter asked my friend if she could have two mommies, my friend explained that sometimes parents were a mommy and a daddy, sometimes they were two daddies and sometimes they were two mommies. The daughter nodded her head and said, “I get it. So, I have the mommy and the daddy kind. That’s nice… but IMAGINE… TWO mommies!!! Madison’s so lucky cuz she probably goes shopping twice as much!”
    Topic closed – never brought up again – and my friend had begun raising a kind, accepting child who doensn’t judge others. The daughter is 9 today, still friends with Madison and hasn’t expressed any doubts or questions about the time she spends with Madison and her two mommies.
    Isn’t that nice?

  162. Brady-mancrush says: Jul 18, 2010 8:27 AM

    burntorangehorn says: Fortunately Bob Gates, current SECDEF, is working hard to reduce discrimination based on gender and sexual orientation.
    _________________________________
    What about discrimination against personal thought or religious preferences? It seems the old adage”Free speech and thought,as long as you agree with me” is alive and well in the ” open and compassionate” community..
    What some people are having a hard time realizing is that some people hold their personal convictions to a higher standard to which they hold their own personal opinion, ie, religion.
    Some people don’ t want to retain God in their conscience so they can live the lives to fulfill their own personal desires..
    What does this have to do with football? Homosexuality is considered a weakness through the eyes of straight men who play an unusually tough game and are uncomfortable walking around nude infront of somebody they perceive to be looking at them in a sexual manner, the same as a woman would feel showering in front of a locker room of men.
    No hatred here, our church reaches out to the homosexual community in our neighborhood and invites them to a relationship with God….

  163. radioboy20010 says: Jul 18, 2010 9:11 AM

    Religion is the gasoline that fuels gay hate. God hates gays, or something like that. Of course, humans were told by God in their good book not to judge, but they do, and do it in God’s name.
    Anyone with gay family members knows the kind of hate they face on a daily basis. If I were a professional football player, I would keep it quiet, too. Take a look at the majority of responses here and realize the possible macho beat-down response in a locker room or the “inadvertant” injury that could occur on the field, either from a wacko teammate or opponent.
    America has never faced the fact that just like the majority of you, gay and lesbian people didn’t “choose” their sexual orientation. Why two people of the same sex can’t marry is off the wall if your read our Constitution. This is one very clear case of where “majority rules” is dead wrong.
    My wife, daughter and past female friends think the same way I do.

  164. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 18, 2010 10:07 AM

    “VikingsPrincess says: July 18, 2010 4:53 AM
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    A child doesn’t have any problem comprehending it. In fact, it isn’t until the parents teach them to be bigoted that the child has a problem with it.”
    I know.
    I thought the sarcasm was evident.

  165. football spirit says: Jul 18, 2010 12:23 PM

    I hate to break into this-straight against gay-discussion, but I read here that Aaron Rodgers is gay. Is he really? Because if he is I rooting for the Vikings this year.

  166. bluestree says: Jul 18, 2010 12:51 PM

    VikingsPrincess says:
    July 17, 2010 4:58 PM
    @Bluestree
    You said, “How can someone who knows so little about football know so much about politics? During the American revolution there were no “Republicans”. They were called “Tories”.”
    ———————————————-
    Alright Lucy, let me ‘splain it to you. I was trying to agree with your posts regarding the issue of sexuality in our culture.
    Republicans typically oppose any progressive measures to improve society because they are conservative. Conservatism is essentially resistance to change. The father of modern conservatism, William F. Buckley, stated the conservative principal simply, “I stand in the face of all progress and say enough!”
    It is ironic, because conservatives are fond of referring to the “founding fathers” as those who established the principals they live by, even though the founding fathers were in their day considered radical liberals.
    At the time of the revolution, conservative people were Tories. They were in favor of retaining British rule. They were resistant to change.
    Today this can be seen in the Republican penchant for selecting a presidential candidate that is “next in line” of succession. This cycle, it’s Mitt Romney, because he finished second to John McCain, who finished second to George Bush, who was the son of George H. W. Bush, who was second to Reagan, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
    As we have seen with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, Republicans have a real problem accepting the results of democratic elections. (Did you ever see a “Don’t Blame Me, I Voted For Gore” bumper sticker?)
    As is evident in these posts, conservatives see their morality as transcendant, their religious beliefs are preeminant. The conservative opinions on this thread are based solely on value judgments.
    This type of belief system is consistent with those of a Monarchist.
    Therefore, Republicans are Tories. Ironic, considering their xenophobic tendencies.
    Hope that cleared things up, now go make me a grilled cheese sandwich.

  167. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 18, 2010 12:52 PM

    @football spirit
    You said, “I hate to break into this-straight against gay-discussion, but I read here that Aaron Rodgers is gay. Is he really? Because if he is I rooting for the Vikings this year.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Apparently Rodgers lives with a guy who is a trainer for the Packers and he’s been quoted as saying their relationship goes “a lot deeper than football” or something like that. So – who knows?
    As a Vikings fan – let me say this. If you’ve read the posts on this blog and noted who’s saying what, I don’t believe I’ve seen one Viking fan come down on the side of homophobia. I could be wrong because I don’t know everyone here yet – but that’s been my observation.
    So – that being said – we don’t need you cheering for us if AR is gay – we don’t have a lot of patience or tolerance for bigots in MN. Thanks though.

  168. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 18, 2010 12:56 PM

    @TFBuckFutter
    You said, “I thought the sarcasm was evident.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sorry. I went back and read your other posts and at that point it was clear that you were using sarcasm. Since I tend to read sequentially, the fact that you were being sarcastic elluded me… as you might imagine, given all of the absurdity of the prejudiced posters on this thread.
    Many apologies.

  169. twizzlystick says: Jul 18, 2010 1:04 PM

    @ football spirit, yeah he is. There were rumors about it when he came out of college but then he gave an interview with TSN that talked about how he met the guy Vikings Princess mentioned and how they hit it off and moved in together and what their relationship is like. You can google it if you want to know.
    A few Packer fans on Packer threads have said they’re proud of him for being so brave to come out in the article but alot of Packer fans get really sensitive about it. I say I don’t really care, I just hope he loses when he plays the Vikings and so far he pretty much has but he is a promising QB.

  170. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 18, 2010 1:12 PM

    “VikingsPrincess says: July 18, 2010 12:56 PM
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sorry. I went back and read your other posts and at that point it was clear that you were using sarcasm. Since I tend to read sequentially, the fact that you were being sarcastic elluded me… as you might imagine, given all of the absurdity of the prejudiced posters on this thread.
    Many apologies.”
    No worries. I have a hard time following who is who in here also.
    But yes, these topics are always funny because you can post the most absurd thing sarcastically, and some people will think you’re serious (because as absurd it is, the belief of it is possible) and some will actually agree and wish you were running to government office.

  171. Lucky5927 says: Jul 18, 2010 1:14 PM

    What? Muscle bound millionaires are not sensitive to the whole “gay” issue in the locker room? WTF??
    Sincerely,
    Vince McMahon

  172. bluestree says: Jul 18, 2010 1:31 PM

    I’m very proud of Viking fans for accepting the fact that Adrian Peterson is a longtime member of NAMBLA, the national association of man-boy love. I know he and Twizzlestick both look forward to the day when they can openly share their love for young boys. They are not perverts, or criminals. It is not a choice, Adrian Peterson and twizzlestick were born with the desire to have sex with young boys. Google it, many Viking fans support AD’s decision to go public, and in fact share his desire to be able to one day walk hand in hand with their boy lovers, as the ancient Greeks did.

  173. twizzlystick says: Jul 18, 2010 1:32 PM

    I will say this about Aaron Rodgers as far as how he relates to Florio’s post. You have to admit unless you’re a total homophobe that it was at least brave of him to do that interview and some other ones he’s given where he basically doesn’t leave any doubt about his lifestyle but also doesn’t make a huge announcement or anything.
    Yet probably because of the reaction in Wisconsin he has been forced according to other reports or at least he was talked into it by his manager and/or PR person to basically get some publicity about going out on a date with a famous woman, basically “damage control” after the interviews came out.
    So Florio is basically right, even after having the courage to tell the world how he is Rodgers was forced by the backlash to go back to pretending, which is kinda sad.

  174. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 18, 2010 1:40 PM

    @Brady-mancrush
    You said, “What some people are having a hard time realizing is that some people hold their personal convictions to a higher standard to which they hold their own personal opinion, ie, religion.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    As an atheist, I’m going to tell you right now that assuming that a religious person has a “higher standard” than someone who is not religious is ridiculous.
    Here’s why: atheists do not have a magical wizard in the sky who will forgive us all of our sins if we ask it to. No. There is no forgiveness unless the person we’ve wronged will forgive us. There’s no “free pass” or “get out of jail free card”. We have to live according to our ethics at all times.
    This is why I love Minnesota. We’re one of the least religious states in the country and yet, one of the top 5 most charitable places in the country (dollars & volunteer hours). And we’re always in the top 5 of places to live. But I digress.

  175. bluestree says: Jul 18, 2010 1:42 PM

    Due to the high volume of inquiries we’ve received here at The Institute, we have found it to be simpler to use this public forum to reveal that twizzlystick is none other than David Thorstad, founder of NAMBLA. And again, kudos from all civil libertarians to the fans of the Minnesota Vikings for their complete acceptance of known pedophiles like Adrian Peterson, homosexuals like Zygi Wilf, and trans gender couples like the Williams sisters.

  176. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 18, 2010 1:48 PM

    @Bluestree
    You said, “As is evident in these posts, conservatives see their morality as transcendant, their religious beliefs are preeminant. The conservative opinions on this thread are based solely on value judgments.
    This type of belief system is consistent with those of a Monarchist.
    Therefore, Republicans are Tories. Ironic, considering their xenophobic tendencies.
    Hope that cleared things up, now go make me a grilled cheese sandwich”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You know what? Even though you have an unholy allegiance to a team I dispise… despite myself, I kinda like ya. The fact that you were trying to agree with me makes me all gooey inside. Don’t tell Pervy or Dial-A-Cliche. They might get jealous.
    I completely agree with your last post. And I will make you a grilled cheese sandwich. After you put up the 3 light fixtures I bought but havent done anything with and mowed my yard. Hell, I’ll even get you a beer. Deal?

  177. twizzlystick says: Jul 18, 2010 1:57 PM

    Bluestree, your sick fantasies of boys aside, I’m not gay but I don’t hate on gays either like you do even with your own QB just because of his lifestyle. Do you really want to force him back to rest stops and places just because you can’t handle the idea that he has chosen to be in a committed partnership with another man?

  178. bluestree says: Jul 18, 2010 2:02 PM

    @VP; I rarely drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Hickeys.

  179. twizzlystick says: Jul 18, 2010 2:11 PM

    Seriously Bluestree, what a horrible attitude. Vikings fans aren’t even the ones that usually bring Aaron’s alternative lifestyle and when we do comment on it we’re almost always supportive, you hardly ever see Vikes fans make fun of him for it.
    But you’re so sensitive about it all you ever do is get hysterical and start screaming ridiculous things about Vikings players and owner etc. like you just did. And yet I have read some of your comments where you’re basically defending people in rural Wisconsin who do unnatural things with farm animals, which to me is just wrong.

  180. bluestree says: Jul 18, 2010 2:38 PM

    Hey twizz, congratulations. It takes a real man to admit he’s a pedophile. You have the guts, integrity and tedencies exibited by few outside the Vikings locker room.

  181. twizzlystick says: Jul 18, 2010 3:02 PM

    bush, you think you’re protecting AR but really all you’re doing is driving him to some seedy Green Bay glory hole. Hmmm… unless that’s part of your PLAN!

  182. bucc19 says: Jul 18, 2010 3:02 PM

    To all you morons..Aaron Rodgers is NOT gay.and saying he is without knowing is called SLANDER..I’ve been repeating this but PFT doesn’t seem to want to post it. Where is your proof he’s gay? So he has a guy roommate..big f’n deal? He’s dating a swmisuit model FYI//a GIRL A BABE, which most of you can only dream about. Tom Brady wasn’t married his first 4 years with th Pats..did that make him gay? Tavaris Jackson isn’t married..does that make him gay? I think this problem was started by some low life Packer fan who can’t get over losing his beleoved a Favre. Are the Packer fans mad because Rodgers doesn’t poke around everything in Green Bay that walks? So some jilted Packer fan is mad at Thompson and Rodgers and comes up with this gay shit? Rodgers is NOT gay ..he’s a single guy who likes hanging with his teammates contrary to whoring aorund Green Bay. You 5 year olds are lucky Rodgers could give s ahit about some website created by a “lawyer” who should know better when it comes to slander..or he could easily trace your IP addresses and have the FCC sue the crap out of mommy and daddy.

  183. Route36West says: Jul 18, 2010 3:07 PM

    Freud’s Slip says:
    July 16, 2010 11:15 PM
    Hey Florio,
    While your sentiments are admirable, you forget the majority of people reading this stuff come from the same general background as the neanderthals in the locker room that create the intolerant environment. In another time they’d be burning witches or something.
    It’s funny that people like to mindlessly reference the founding fathers while forgetting that people like Jefferson and Madison wrote the Declaration and the Constitution precisely to protect the rights of unpopular minorities against the self=righteous bullying of the religious zealots. They were primarily Deists, with a documented distrust of organized religions. Please don’t take my word on this; read it for yourself in their letters. They’re pretty easy to find in libraries and bookstores (assuming these morons know what those are).
    Are you retarted? The founding fathers had slaves , believed women were inferior creatures along with everyone else that werent white males including queers.

  184. bucc19 says: Jul 18, 2010 3:07 PM

    I hate to break into this-straight against gay-discussion, but I read here that Aaron Rodgers is gay. Is he really? Because if he is I rooting for the Vikings this year.
    NO..he’s not gay..its a rumor started by Viking fans and jilted Packer fans who still pray before their Favre shrine every night. They are bitter so they take out their frustrations by SLANDERING on a website started by a Lawyer..go figure.

  185. Brady-mancrush says: Jul 18, 2010 4:13 PM

    @VikingPrincess
    And what is your “ethics”rooted and grounded in? Your values? What you say is right? What you believe to be right? So what you are saying is what you “feel” to be right is what is right for me or what is right for anyone else? So then, who is then “pushing their beliefs” on who?
    VP, I am just testifying to what God has revealed to me through His Holy Word. If you are offended, then I’m sorry, that isn’t my intent. I am just proclaiming to what God has shown me. I am not saying I am better or higher than anyone else but just a former thug who used to beat people whom God has saved!! A believer will put their trust is God rather what their personal opinion is. Ig God says it wrong then it’s wrong.
    There is forgiveness for all who turn to Him, regardless of what we have done…because we have all offended Him.

  186. TFBuckFutter says: Jul 18, 2010 5:31 PM

    ” bucc19 says: July 18, 2010 3:02 PM
    To all you morons..Aaron Rodgers is NOT gay.and saying he is without knowing is called SLANDER..
    You 5 year olds are lucky Rodgers could give s ahit about some website created by a “lawyer” who should know better when it comes to slander..or he could easily trace your IP addresses and have the FCC sue the crap out of mommy and daddy.”
    Yeah. I’m pretty sure you don’t know very much about any type of law, especially libel and slander, nor the repercussions for them (particularly in the case of public figures).
    And I’m 100% sure you don’t know what the FCC does.

  187. bluestree says: Jul 18, 2010 6:14 PM

    Never mind all the legaleze, just give me a little of ARod’s overflow. I’ll wing man for the guy that’s doing Erin Andrews, Hillary Scott, and more SoCal babes than you can count on twizzledick’s 8 fingers and12 toes!

  188. Occam says: Jul 18, 2010 6:50 PM

    ” bucc19 says:
    To all you morons..Aaron Rodgers is NOT gay.and saying he is without knowing is called SLANDER..”
    No. It would be, “Libel.” Not, “Slander.”
    And people speculating about a celebrity’s sexuality would not be guilty of libel.
    I totally agree that you are smarter than everyone else, though.

  189. Twizzle says: Jul 18, 2010 7:51 PM

    bucc, nobody cares that much about who he sleeps with but why are you lying about ARodg not being gay?? He talked about it in his SN interview and at least 1 more. His PR people set up a few “dates” for his image but his life partner is a man who is a trainer for the Packers. If you’re not careful his partner will sue you for libel for claiming Rodgers is straight.

  190. allinSTACKme says: Jul 18, 2010 8:13 PM

    To eveyone that used the words neanderthal & homophobe: If it weren’t for quite a few neanderthals being “homophobic”, and thus HAVING SEX WITH WOMEN, none of us would be here today. Last I checked, sodomy isn’t exactly an effective practice for procreation. By the way, isn’t the suffix “phobe” a derivitive of the word “phobia”, which means fear? Just because I think two men having sex is incredibly disgusting, doesn’t mean I’m AFRAID of them.
    I do have a gay friend, and yes he has approached me(several times, though I’ve been VERY CLEAR that I would NEVER be interested from the 1st advance) although he knows how I feel about his sexuality, so I don’t buy that argument. I don’t hate homos, I just hate that they think we all have to accept them, or society is doomed. Be gay, I don’t give a f*ck, just don’t force it down my throat (no pun intended, but that’s what SHE said).

  191. jebdamone says: Jul 18, 2010 8:20 PM

    i think i love you vikings princess…
    btw eden prairie was just named money magazines best place to live in the country.

  192. allinSTACKme says: Jul 18, 2010 8:39 PM

    CurseofBoJackson says:
    July 17, 2010 11:46 AM
    “The Secular Progressives will never understand
    the natural aversion most people have to abhorrent, unatural behavior.”
    By “secular progressives” do you mean folks who develop their own opinions and thoughts based on their experiences and education rather than let a two thousand year old book written by “god” tell them what to do? Or did you just mean folks who don’t let Bill O’Reilly think for them? Or is it both? Are you aware that there is a ‘christian’ organization in this country giving gobs of money to a government in Uganda that is pushing laws that require that gays to be put to death just for being gay? Does that sound hypocritical to you? Or does the term ‘hyposcrasy’ only apply when it’s convenient for the zealotrous religious right to point a finger at someone else?
    Lastly, to Bob Nelson, you’re right ya know? Just like there are no sex offenders living in your neighborhood, and nobody YOU know does anything YOU don’t know about or approve of. Stay in your bubble Bob, it’s safer for you there.
    Could you please post what that church’s name is? I want to donate.

  193. funi says: Jul 18, 2010 8:56 PM

    NFL does not like gays, however at ESPN we like gays..look at Greenberg and Cowherd!

  194. DoomsDayD75 says: Jul 18, 2010 9:02 PM

    I must have missed that part in the Bible where Jesus said “God hates gay men… but not women because that’s pretty hot”.
    I’m pretty sure Jesus said “everyone can sit at my table”. Do you know what that means you morons? It means everyone, black, white, gay or straight is equal and deserves to be treated as such. Anybody that thinks differently is just full of hate and knows nothing of what the Bible is trying to tell you.

  195. burntorangehorn says: Jul 18, 2010 10:05 PM

    Brady-mancrush says:
    What about discrimination against personal thought or religious preferences? It seems the old adage”Free speech and thought,as long as you agree with me” is alive and well in the ” open and compassionate” community..
    What some people are having a hard time realizing is that some people hold their personal convictions to a higher standard to which they hold their own personal opinion, ie, religion.
    Some people don’ t want to retain God in their conscience so they can live the lives to fulfill their own personal desires..
    What does this have to do with football? Homosexuality is considered a weakness through the eyes of straight men who play an unusually tough game and are uncomfortable walking around nude infront of somebody they perceive to be looking at them in a sexual manner, the same as a woman would feel showering in front of a locker room of men.
    No hatred here, our church reaches out to the homosexual community in our neighborhood and invites them to a relationship with God….
    =============================
    I’m not accusing you of hatred, but rather naivete.
    First of all, toughness and homosexuality are not inversely proportional, so toughness of the game doesn’t have anything to do with sexual orientation.
    Second of all, personal freedom takes precedence over “personal thought or religious preferences” seven days out of seven. That is to say that you’re certainly entitled to your personal thoughts and religious preferences, but that does not mean that other people should have to surrender personal freedoms to suit your religious tastes. For example, a Jew, Muslim, or even a conscientious vegetarian may feel that eating pork is a sin, much as you feel that homosexuality is a sin. Do you feel that eating pork should be a big no-no in America, or at NFL functions? I sure don’t. I think pork is disgusting, and would never eat it myself, but I’m not going to expect others to entirely surrender the freedom to eat the filthy animal, because it’s a freedom. By the same token, you should not expect others to surrender their freedom to be homosexuals, or to openly live homosexual lives, just because you believe that homosexuality is a sin.
    Thirdly, you may want to realize that no man, even you, can say for certain whether your standard is higher than another man’s standard. A secular humanist has every bit as much moral standing as a religious person, and considering the histories of those two belief systems, secular humanism might actually have a better record. But secular humanism, religions, and all other belief systems are imperfect, and deeply so, because we as human beings are imperfect. As such, I would suggest that you consider your own imperfections before demanding that others to live according to standards you’ve established for your own imperfect belief system. Worry about the log in your own eye, in other words.

  196. burntorangehorn says: Jul 18, 2010 10:11 PM

    allinSTACKme–if you really want to donate to the church that has the Ugandan government on course to commit a homosexual holocaust, then I certainly hope you are not an American citizen.
    And if you think that sex is purely for procreation, then I suggest you abstain.

  197. Brady-mancrush says: Jul 19, 2010 12:24 AM

    @burntorange
    On what terms and records are you thinking that humanism is better than religion?? Please beleive me, Iam not looking to pick a fight or troll here on any message boards but am very interested in what you are thinking of. Personal thought and religious preferance DO take precedence over freedom, because it is the purest form of freedom. Here in America, we have freedoms to follow dreams, passions regardless of reigion, gender or preferences. All I am doing isjust bringing up a point that one day, we will all die and face our Creator and give an account for things we have done, hence the invitation to all,gay, straight,black or white, whatever…..God is forgiving if we are willing to repent which I have done 14 yrs ago. Hence, your Matthew 7 reference null and void.
    Christ was telling people to be judgemental to a standard to which, they themselves were not able to live up to(verse 2) The log and splinter are represenative of sin which only Christ can take away, so hence( I really do mean this in the upmost respectful way) you just violated the principles in which you chose to use against me.
    Please burntorange and anybody else, if your ever in the Chicagoland area, I will buy you a cup of coffee and will spend as much time discussing these things with you in person rather than a impersonal chat room,Please lets make it Caribou, Starbucks is overated!

  198. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 19, 2010 12:44 AM

    @ burntorangehorn
    Anyone who uses “inversely proportional” on ProFootballTalk.com is ok in my book. :)
    @ jebdamone
    You said, “i think i love you vikings princess…
    btw eden prairie was just named money magazines best place to live in the country. ”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I saw that Eden Prairie was #1. We had a lot of other cities high in the list, too. :)
    Let me know when you’re sure that you love me. Our whole relationship is riding on it! ;)

  199. The Real Shuxion says: Jul 19, 2010 8:47 AM

    ……..Not touching this one.
    /Wipes hands
    /Walks away

  200. Twizzle says: Jul 19, 2010 10:10 AM

    Wow the Packers have the 1st most commented story, the Vikings have the 3rd most commented, the Packers have the 4th.

  201. sharkattack says: Jul 19, 2010 12:30 PM

    Jesus christ I hate republicans. God isn’t real. If you believe in that crap, you might as well believe in santa clause. Just because some archaic book was printed thousands of years ago, doesn’t mean it has a baring on today’s society. It’s not like any of you actually understand anything more than 1/100 of what the bible says anyway.
    I was a theology major in college (UK) and was involved in studies based on finding the percentage of Americans who even understood some of the basic language in the bible. You would be surprised to know, that its less that %2. Really, just one of you tell me what revelations means? You can’t because no one has a f’ing clue.
    As for gay people, do you think the Patriots would get rid of Tom Brady if he was gay? If you do, you are stupid. Would Al Davis still have drafted DHB if he was a known packer? Yes, but that may have more to do with ol’ Al being a crazy ass bastard.
    Its just that typical American “lets force our opinions and way of life on the rest of the world” view. Let gay people get married and boof each other all day long. It doesn’t effect you, so why bother.
    No homo.

  202. st.michael says: Jul 19, 2010 12:42 PM

    Well its official; NBC has taken over the PFT agenda.
    Why cant we just read about football?

  203. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 19, 2010 12:42 PM

    Ok. There are a lot of misconceptions about Christians and our view on homosexuality.
    There is no such thing as a follower of Christ who is gay. Any more than a follower of Christ who is a practicing prostitute.
    And the thought of a gay priest or pastor is an absolute joke. Like a wolf watching the sheep. Anyone who uses one of those special bibles with erasable text so they can erase the stuff they don’t agree with can not preach the gospel. They are the ones Christ will one day say, flea from me. I never knew you!

  204. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 19, 2010 12:48 PM

    You know so much about the bible. Explain to me the parallels between what our country is going through and so many example in the bible when countries turned their back to god like we have and what the consequences were when they embraced ungodly living?

  205. jsprunner says: Jul 19, 2010 3:01 PM

    WOW!! For a topic that so many don’t believe should be on here, look at all the comments! All the way to the top of the “most commented” list! Florio, this must be great for business, but I can still help. For your next post, go with:
    “In a shocking story, Ben Roethlisberger and Brett Favre were caught together in a men’s bathroom stall in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. The door to the bathroom was being guarded by Mike Vick and his most vicious Yorkie. At a hastily arranged one-hour prime time show on NBC called ‘The Downlow Decision”, all three ‘came out’ to Jim Gray and expressed solidarity to the GLBT movement. Neither Roger Goodell, or the Yorkie, have any comment at this time.”
    Yeah, let’s see NBC’s servers handle that one……

  206. Brady-mancrush says: Jul 19, 2010 3:04 PM

    sharkattack says:
    Jesus christ I hate republicans. God isn’t real.
    I was a theology major in college (UK)
    ———————————————-
    Wow Shark, I dont even know where to begin with this one……
    First of all, I’m not a Republican. I claim no political affiliation and rarely vote. To me ALL politicians are corrupt and our country is doomed to fail sooner or later anyway due to its un-Godliness.
    first of all you blaspheme his name,then claim He’s not real, then studied theolgy in college( theology,the study of God).
    If you studied you would know that sooner or later we would have to give an account for our lives,( I would cut and paste from the Bible but PFT wouldnt post it, I tried :) ) so to say that our Bible is “archaic” wouldn’t make sense, because, you know, you would have learned that during your studies.
    But to get back to football, peoples personal live should make no bearing on what or how they preform on the field(especially Tom Brady). It ‘s what someone does on the gridiron is what is important….
    But lets face it, there is alot of people who are just as uncomfortable getting undressed in front of a gay man as people who hate going to church singing praises to Him.
    PS; I do agree with you on one point… Al Davis is crazy!

  207. troll_aikman8 says: Jul 19, 2010 3:21 PM

    As we speak, Brad Childress is performing a lude act with Brett Favre.
    Just saying.

  208. JimmySmith says: Jul 19, 2010 4:09 PM

    I believe you mean “lewd act” but in Childress’s book, its all part of his job description.

  209. sharkattack says: Jul 19, 2010 4:23 PM

    @Brady-mancrush
    Well first of all, I have to assume your entire post is a joke do to your SN, which is very funny.
    Before I begin, I would like to say, I mean you no offense. Your response was largely, coherent and as polite a response as I can expect from PFT. I don’t know you, and I don’t dislike you. I’m not going to insult your intelligence , or anything like that. I would simply like to offer my rebuttal.
    Lets start with your “theology is the study of god” idea. While its true the term finds its roots in the Latin term theologia (meaning litteraly the study of god,) the modern English definition is usually stated as “the science of things divine.” Theology is used in myriad ways in today’s culture. The most common ways are; to explain, test, and critique religious beliefs. This includes, but is not limited to, modern Christianity.
    I at one point was a devout catholic. That was 10 years, ago and I now consider myself agnostic. I worked in several programs and studies during my college studies and for my thesis, I spent a week in the Cincinnati Restoration Church. The CRC helps people struggling with addiction get off the street and into the service of god. My paper focused on the preachers in this church and there misinterpretations, misunderstands, or general lack of knowledge of biblical verses and ideas. It was astonishing to see how little these preachers knew. Mostly they were just exploiting addicts as a form of free labor, but that’s another story for another day.
    The bottom line is the bible, when looked at from a modern stand-point has become an archaic and unreliable guide to life in today’s culture. Case in point; homosexuality. The bible is a very discriminatory book to begin with, and following its rules today would be akin to teaching history with a book from 1946. It was never a book of true stories to begin with. When the books of the bible were compiled (the largest sin of the christian church was the exclusion of the book of Mary Magdoline.) it was intended as guide. A moral compass if you will. It can still serve that purpose, as long as you do not try to match every situation in today’s world with a passage from the bible. but I digress.
    We agree on the gays in football part of this so there is no need to bring that up.
    As for your last musings, I’m not trying to see some dude’s dick or anything, but anyone who passed high-school gym should have no problem letting his privates hang out. I don’t care if a dude wants to go down on me, that’s his business. We see girls we would like to screw every day right?
    Once again no homo

  210. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 19, 2010 4:33 PM

    @Sportspsychotic
    You said “There is no such thing as a follower of Christ who is gay. Any more than a follower of Christ who is a practicing prostitute.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    It’s a sad day when an atheist has to tell you this about your god and Jesus. Jesus never said anything about homosexuals. Read the red text and then try again.
    Jesus, had he existed, would have loved football players whether they were gay or straight. Since so many of the NFL athletes thank god (right before they chug some purple drank) for their mad skillz… they should follow what Jesus allegedly taught.

  211. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 19, 2010 4:40 PM

    @Brady-mancrush
    You said, “To me ALL politicians are corrupt and our country is doomed to fail sooner or later anyway due to its un-Godliness.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Oh please. What a ridiculous statement to even make. This country is going to fail because it is run by corporatists and GOP empire-building freaks. Corporations, thanks to the conservative activist SCOTUS, now have the same rights as people for campaign funding. And it won’t stop there. We’re still in 2 Republican wars that are draining our resources – both financial & human – all for the profits for the military industrial complex and to ensure that we pillage the resources of third world nations. The military budget, including Homeland Security and other ancillary departments, now sucks up 54% of our budget. While we’re out trying to make COIN work, our BRIDGES are falling down – right out from underneath us. Becoming a third world nation ourselves is not inconceivable.
    Stop reading the bible and start reading the news. And make sure to avoid FOX News so you at least have a chance at getting actual facts.

  212. pervy harvin says: Jul 19, 2010 4:55 PM

    JimmySmith says:
    July 19, 2010 4:09 PM
    I believe you mean “lewd act” but in Childress’s book, its all part of his job description.
    ————————————————–
    ….says the fan of a team with a pole smoking QB…how credible you are Jimmy

  213. Brady-mancrush says: Jul 19, 2010 5:38 PM

    @VikingPrincess
    Because, VP, God had already destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for their lewd lifestyles and was already against all Jewish law. It is scattered throughout the ENTIRE Bible. Jesus came for the sinner to ALL to come to repentence. I mean this very humbly VP, I really do, please take the time and read the Gospel of John, and before you read it, ask God to show you something. Even if you dont beleive Him VP, He is ready to show you something you have never seen before and introduce you to love in a way you can never have imagined.
    Im sorry for your hatred towards God VP, But God can replace your hatred of Him with a joy and peace that only comes from Him….
    If you want to talk about this I will glady share my # if you want to talk……..

  214. Fonetik says: Jul 19, 2010 6:19 PM

    Hahaha oh wow, for being so homophobic, Brady-mancrush is quite fruity

  215. Occam says: Jul 19, 2010 6:24 PM

    “He is ready to show you something you have never seen before and introduce you to love in a way you can never have imagined.”
    This girl in a Vegas bar once used almost those exact same words on me…………
    She also wanted money.

  216. Brady-mancrush says: Jul 19, 2010 7:12 PM

    @Shark Attack… I apreciate your responce and I really do respect your opinon…
    I really do come here for football news and a break from other things in life. There are other sites I go to discuss Christian veiws and other related topics. I usually enjoy the banter and sports talk and rarley get excited, except when Italinarmyguy attacks the Patriots…:D
    I am going to leave this post and start rading the Rex Ryan post… you know how those J-E-T-S get when they think they have a winner…..

  217. VikingsPrincess says: Jul 19, 2010 7:15 PM

    @Brady-mancrush
    You said, “Im sorry for your hatred towards God VP, But God can replace your hatred of Him with a joy and peace that only comes from Him….
    If you want to talk about this I will glady share my # if you want to talk……..”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sweet baby Odin.
    Ok – I think you’re really trying to be sincere, so I am going to try to be nice to you.
    I cannot hate something that doesn’t exist. I have plenty of joy and peace. I am mentally strong enough to bear my own trials & tribulations. I don’t need a supernatural being to solve my problems because humans evolved with brains that are quite capable of doing their thinking for them.
    I do not accept your bible as a word of a god. I do not believe in Vishnu. I do not believe in Mohammed. I do not believe in Jesus. I do not believe in a Creator. I do not believe in fairy tales or mythology – which to me, all religions are.
    It’s nice of you to offer “help”, so I thank you for that. I just don’t happen to need any. I am very familiar with Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and even Wicca. I’ve read the bible front to back. Twice even. It is not for a lack of information about religion or your god in particular that I do not believe. It is because I have explored these topics and STILL don’t believe. You’re not going to change that.
    So do not worry about me. I do not believe in hell because it doesn’t exist. The only accounting I must give about my life is to my own conscience on a daily basis. Rest assured, I live a good, prosperous life filled with purpose. A god isn’t required for that either.
    Thank you for taking an interest.

  218. allinSTACKme says: Jul 19, 2010 11:39 PM

    NightTrainNeckTie,
    I stand corrected, but with the point you made, I’m happy to be wrong. That was the best post I’ve ever read on this site. Freaking hilarious.

  219. bodhisattva says: Jul 20, 2010 6:18 AM

    Generally, People who are strongly against this type of thing are insular and socially retarded in some aspect, and use ‘god’s word’ as a fall back for their own/parents bigotry to gain the moral high ground.
    I couldn’t concieve, in the year 2010, that we as the worlds population would persecute someone for a same sex relationship or inclination. I mean gay guys are a little naff, for sure, but who cares, really?
    And isn’t ‘hearing God’s word’ a little off? And by off, I mean crazy. And why would ‘hating fags’ even be on the almighties agenda? Should he, you know, even exist? And wouldn’t the lord, should he, you know, exist, be pleased at my tollerance?

  220. Opie says: Jul 20, 2010 9:41 AM

    Wow…just wow?!?

  221. Sportspsychotic says: Jul 20, 2010 12:55 PM

    Finally something we can agree on!
    Al Davis is CRAZY.

  222. muchmaligned says: Jul 20, 2010 4:54 PM

    There is no such thing as the “black community.” This also applies to other ethnicities and sexual identities.
    The sooner you accept it, the sooner we’ll grow.
    Open your minds, queers and breeders.

  223. Brady-mancrush says: Jul 20, 2010 5:51 PM

    I was going to leave this alone………
    bodhisattva says:
    Generally, People who are strongly against this type of thing are insular and socially retarded in some aspect, and use ‘god’s word’ as a fall back for their own/parents bigotry to gain the moral high ground.
    ______________________________
    First of all, I never called anyone any names such as what you have done, everyone hear for the most part has been intellectually thought out and well written. When you call people “insular and socially retarded” you destroy your credibility and turn people off to your point.
    My “bigotry”as you call it, isn’t what directs my thoughts or preferences. What I think doesn’t matter, It’s what God commands. Instead of using conversation ending words such as “bigot” “hater” “left/right winger” try to elaborate on your thought, because you do in fact come across as a “bigot”.
    Bodhisattva says:
    I couldn’t concieve, in the year 2010, that we as the worlds population would persecute someone for a same sex relationship or inclination. I mean gay guys are a little naff, for sure, but who cares, really?
    ————————————————-
    Well it’s true, in America we are far more accepting of alternative lifestyles than most, try reading websites from the Middle East and see what they do to gays there. Gays in this country couldn’t pull off in Iran, Iraq or any other Muslim theocratic countries. People hear fear Christians trying “force” religion on people, try living over there. You would be very thankful for America and our freedom of religion.
    Bodhisattva says:
    And isn’t ‘hearing God’s word’ a little off? And by off, I mean crazy. And why would ‘hating fags’ even be on the almighties agenda? Should he, you know, even exist? And wouldn’t the lord, should he, you know, exist, be pleased at my tollerance?
    ————————————————-
    It would be on His agenda because it is sin. God has shown mercy extended to all man kind to this point, but it wont last forever. God must judge sin or He wouldn’t be holy.
    Tolerance doesn’t equal mercy. Ir is written that God will judge not only the sinners, but those who take pleasure in what the wicked do( Romans)

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