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Sabol says Jerry Kramer is best player not in the Hall of Fame

We neglected to mention Steve Sabol’s excellent turn as Peter King’s replacement on Monday Morning Quarterback yesterday (except in one-liners), but it’s never too late to pass along compelling content.

Sabol provides a history lesson, passing out awards like the best defensive player he’s ever seen (Dick Butkus), most influential player (John Unitas), and classiest competitor (Bart Starr).

Sabol lists five-time All-Pro selection Packers guard Jerry Kramer as the best player not in the Hall of Fame, which should get some voters’ attention.  He is the only member of the NFL’s 50th Anniversary All-Time team that isn’t in Canton.

Perhaps Kramer will crack NFL Films’ Top 100 Players, a series that Sabol announced will air on NFL Network this Fall.  I’d love to see it, but can’t get NFL Network because a dispute with a cable giant takes precedence over the league’s fanbase in New York.  (Sorry, not dropping this one.)

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51 Responses to “Sabol says Jerry Kramer is best player not in the Hall of Fame”
  1. The Real Shuxion says: Jul 20, 2010 10:33 AM

    I have said this for years on PFT, the people who elect players into the HOF are friggen morons who would put in David Carr before putting in Ray Lewis.
    We need a real committee of former players who understand that greatness is beyond the stats, not a bunch of moronic sports writers who probably think the 2 gap is when you are nailing 2 prostitutes at once.

  2. Love_Boat_Scandal says: Jul 20, 2010 10:43 AM

    Wow–best MMQB article ever. Peter should stick to letting dumb jocks scribble their nonsense when he needs a replacement. Otherwise, he’ll be out of a job.

  3. jj jones says: Jul 20, 2010 10:45 AM

    The problem is that Kramer is not dead yet. The Hall of Fame committee won’t induct him while he is alive and can actually enjoy the honor. They will wait until he passes away like they did with Bob Hayes. This way they can claim it as a tribute to his legacy. T
    he Hall of Fame committee is a joke. A bunch of self serving sportswriters and one local TV sports anchor (can someone please explain why Sam Kouvaris is on the committee) go into a room every February and decide who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame?

  4. PhilVill41 says: Jul 20, 2010 10:48 AM

    Steve Sabol and NFL Films are the best.He and his father not being in the Hall of Fame is the biggest injustice in all of professional sports.

  5. raidermot says: Jul 20, 2010 10:54 AM

    Florio can’t get NFL network? Come on. DirecTV has it in their basic package.
    Considering what your job is, how can you not have the cable channel that is owned by and about the lone topic this site covers.
    I would expect you to subscribe and have a television set to NFL Network 24/7.

  6. zod says: Jul 20, 2010 10:57 AM

    Dave Robinson was better than Kramer

  7. mr_snrub says: Jul 20, 2010 10:57 AM

    Cable? Really? People still actually prefer this over satellite?

  8. davidc45629 says: Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM

    I agree with love boat. King has never put two pages together to equal Sabol’s work yesterday. King should go on vacation mid-season and give this to Sabol.

  9. rolltide says: Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM

    Ken Stabler.

  10. meridethtohayes says: Jul 20, 2010 10:59 AM

    It Might be that the reason he has not been inducted was because (and he admitted this himself) he was offsides during The Sneak of the Ice Bowl.
    It’s a millisecond, but if you stop the video and run it frame by frame, he is moving before the snap.
    I’m thinking that it might be because if he is inducted, it will cast a bad light on one of the most (literally) incredible moments in sports history.

  11. Florio-is-a-tool says: Jul 20, 2010 11:00 AM

    Fascinating. Someone should ask the idiot MLB currently playing for the Bears if Butkis should be in the HOF – since he didn’t play in too many playoff games, since that’s his (Paris Hinton inspired) standard.

  12. happyz82 says: Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM

    Kramer is not in the Hall of Fame because he wrote a couple bestsellers on football. The sportswriters did not like the fact that he invaded “their turf.” The only reason he is not in is professional jealousy. It is a joke!

  13. RC IV says: Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM

    Thats ok. Kramer made a buttload of money by writing 2 books about the play that he “blocked so great” on.
    Jethro Pugh was on a sheet of ice, it wasn’t real hard to push him out of the way.
    When Max Mcgee was told Kramer didn’t make it last time, I hear he went throught the roof!

  14. Bob Nelson says: Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM

    Jerry Kramer was voted the best offensive guard in the first 50 years of the NFL.
    The signature play of the Packers dynasty under Lombardi wsa the Power sweep. Jerry Kramer was the lead man on that play.
    Look at any of the films of Lombardi’s Packers and Jerry Kramer always had a prominent role on plays.
    His two great books Instant Replay and Distant Replay not only sold very well but were excellent PR for the NFL.
    Jerry Kramer still attends many NFL functions and has acted like a Hall of Fame player. He certainly is more deseving than those on trial, in jail or only played minor league ball in the AFL.
    Jerry Kramer deserved to be in the Professional Football Hall of Fame long ago; back when it was the NFL Hall of Fame.

  15. Meat Tuperello says: Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM

    I respect Sabol, but to say Dick Butkus is the best defensive player ever must be homerism or something because that is simply not true. In fact, he’s one of the most overrated defensive players ever.

  16. wowbaka says: Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM

    Don Coryell

  17. JimmySmith says: Jul 20, 2010 11:16 AM

    Debates like this only happen when the player’s team (in this case, Kramer’s Green Bay Packers) win championships. There is no debate when the team folds early, take note East Dakota.

  18. salmen76 says: Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM

    How can anyone who calls themselves a football not have Direct TV, NFL Ticket. I get every single game played every single weekend…..i’m a Saints fan living in Georgia. I’d rather take an ass whoopin than watch the scrub Falcons. I’ve had the NFL Ticket for 10 years. Never miss a single Saints game. Not one. I see them ALL. Ha Ha to anybody that calls themselves a football fan and don’t have Direct TV. Which also includes the NFL Network which is all NFL Football 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Of course i also have the NASCAR ticket. I get to hear Dale Jr speak with his crew chief (cuss words and all) the entire race with 2 cameras on just Jr.

  19. Jeremy says: Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM

    How about if we melt down Paul Hornung’s plaque and reshape it into Jerry’s Kramer’s likeness. That way nobody has to get their undies in a bundle about more 60s Packers being inducted.

  20. i-Supplements.com says: Jul 20, 2010 11:32 AM

    Bengals CB Ken Riley should be in the hall. If Kenny Anderson won the SB in 81′ he would have been a shoe in as well. Just my opinion.

  21. Hound32 says: Jul 20, 2010 11:34 AM

    I Thought that Jerry Kramer was already in the HOF ..Guess not . yes he should be in . should have been in a long time ago .
    IMHO Browns Linebacker Clay Matthews is also Long Overdue .

  22. gurnblanston says: Jul 20, 2010 11:40 AM

    The Hall of Fame process is a joke. Jerry Kramer waits. Don Coryell dies waiting. Meanwhile Michael Irvin and Dan Hampton enjoy their jackets. It’s a disgrace.
    I’m so glad Sabol brings it up. Perhaps as the preeminent guardian of the game’s history, Sabol can bring some balance as the self-promoters blowhard from their TV perches. And, yes, that means you – Cris Carter – who wouldn’t have survived as a waterboy on the ’50s and’60s Packers. Hail!

  23. Dapollock says: Jul 20, 2010 11:45 AM

    I didn’t know Jerry Seinfeld and Cosmo Kramer played for the pack in the ’50′s!

  24. BigMikeSkinsFan says: Jul 20, 2010 11:54 AM

    chris hanburger

  25. edgy says: Jul 20, 2010 12:23 PM

    Quit ragging on Gregg. From what I remember, he doesn’t have the exposure to get a dish. It could be because of a building or the tree line but there are very real reason why people have to have cable.

  26. techvet says: Jul 20, 2010 12:33 PM

    The “passing out awards” hyperlink above is non-existent. Webmaster, call your office!

  27. cheeseweasel says: Jul 20, 2010 12:34 PM

    Jim Marshall needs to be in the H.O.F.

  28. JaggedMark says: Jul 20, 2010 12:49 PM

    Until the HOF puts in Ray Guy, I have zero interest in that in place.

  29. earlcampbellrules says: Jul 20, 2010 12:49 PM

    Nobody cares about old, fat , crappy Jerry Kramer. If you can’t get in the Hall in your first 5 years you should be taken off the list forever. It’s the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Good.

  30. Pottsville Maroons = 1925 NFL Champs says: Jul 20, 2010 12:59 PM

    Roger Craig

  31. TGP says: Jul 20, 2010 12:59 PM

    Jim Marshal

  32. JSpicoli says: Jul 20, 2010 1:02 PM

    Ken Stabler, easily the worst ommission of the HOF voters. They should be ashamed.

  33. Thingamajig says: Jul 20, 2010 1:09 PM

    meridethtohayes says:
    July 20, 2010 10:59 AM
    It Might be that the reason he has not been inducted was because (and he admitted this himself) he was offsides during The Sneak of the Ice Bowl.
    It’s a millisecond, but if you stop the video and run it frame by frame, he is moving before the snap.
    I’m thinking that it might be because if he is inducted, it will cast a bad light on one of the most (literally) incredible moments in sports history.
    Are you serious? Offsides on one play by a millisecond kept him out of the HOF? You’re an idiot.

  34. Tim Tebow's Prayers says: Jul 20, 2010 1:11 PM

    JaggedMark- that’s gotta be a joke, right? Anyone who has their panties in a bunch over a punter not being in the hall of fame needs to find more meaningful things to do with their life. Don’t forget Rich Gannon too! No one held onto the ball for field goal kickers the way he could!

  35. va4favre says: Jul 20, 2010 1:25 PM

    Jerry Kramer deserves to be in the HOF. I think that Lombardi team was the best ever!

  36. Canned Heat says: Jul 20, 2010 1:57 PM

    “It Might be that the reason he has not been inducted was because (and he admitted this himself) he was offsides during The Sneak of the Ice Bowl.
    It’s a millisecond, but if you stop the video and run it frame by frame, he is moving before the snap.”
    His comment was: I may have been a hair early”. There is a natural human delay from when the center snaps the ball to whenever every player on the line moves…it’s called reaction time. As a licensed football referee at HS and college levels, we’ve seen it a million times. If the ball is snapped, the remaining players on the offensive line can do absolutely nothing if they choose and not even move a muscle. If they move prior to the snap, that’s where the foul occurs. In the NFL they call that tighter…obviously. He went exactly when the ball did and before the center because the center is a split second behind in delivering the ball to the QB.
    And to claim it or even prove it would keep him out of the HOF…? Ray Lewis will get in after helping kill a man, I doubt even Kramer’s blatant, written confession of such would keep him out.
    It’s a travesty that he’s not in the HOF.

  37. sand0 says: Jul 20, 2010 2:30 PM

    I misread the article thinking it said Tommy Kramer, what with this being in the Vikes thread. WTF do Vikings fans care about old Packer guards? We aren’t like those Packer fans obsessing over rivals. We could care less.

  38. packers4life says: Jul 20, 2010 2:31 PM

    “When Max Mcgee was told Kramer didn’t make it last time, I hear he went throught the roof!”
    There is a reason why people hate Viking fans and that quote right there from RC making fun of someone’s accidental death shows why. Go burn in hell you assclown.

  39. MosesZD says: Jul 20, 2010 2:57 PM

    Sorry, Ken Anderson is the best player not in the HOF. His sin was being stuck on a series of second and third-rate Bengals teams, not bad QBing. Anytime you gave him half a defense so he wasn’t Hail Marying his QB rating away with desperation heaves he was phenomenal.

  40. RC IV says: Jul 20, 2010 3:24 PM

    packers4life says:
    July 20, 2010 2:31 PM
    “When Max Mcgee was told Kramer didn’t make it last time, I hear he went throught the roof!”
    There is a reason why people hate Viking fans and that quote right there from RC making fun of someone’s accidental death shows why. Go burn in hell you assclown.
    ================================
    You turds continually make fun of the I-35 bridge collapse and it’s ok? Hypocrite.
    Besides, it WAS funny.
    It WAS also the reaction i was trying to elicit.
    Anyway, he didn’t go through the roof, he fell off.
    I also could care less if ou hate me and other Vikings fans.
    I don’t know you and for you to hate someone you don’t even know shows that you atake this site and sports waaaay to seriously. Your screen name doesn’t dissuade the argument either.
    You should change it to packergetalife. Turd.

  41. StarrToDowler says: Jul 20, 2010 3:27 PM

    It says something that the Hall of Fame ITSELF called Jerry the best guard of the first 50 years of the NFL, and yet today there are several guards who played in that era who have already been enshrined… but the Hall’s OWN version of the best isn’t in there. It’s the right time to fix that.
    In so many of the pictures of the Packer Power Sweep, you nearly always see Jerry and Fuzzy leading the way. Fuzzy was no slack, either, and has a very legitimate claim to enshrinement himself. In addition to the five world title rings he won with Green Bay, he also won one while with the Colts. SIX World Championship rings — no one has more. No one. Ever.

  42. Canned Heat says: Jul 20, 2010 4:02 PM

    “Sorry, Ken Anderson is the best player not in the HOF.”
    Seriously? Kenny A. was good, but c’mon.
    Career Numbers
    Pro Bowls 4
    QB Rating 81.9
    Yards 32,838
    TD-INT 197-160
    Granted, he was the ’81 Off. player of the year, MVP, and Comeback player of the year, but that was about it. There are quite a few guys out there with good numbers…just not great ones.

  43. last time here says: Jul 20, 2010 5:16 PM

    Hey gurnblanston (nice Steve Martin reference)
    Literally no one from the 80s or later would have survived in the 50s and 60s other than the behemoths that now play on the lines. On the other hand, look at Culpepper/Russell or any of the massive QBs around today. These QBs are bigger than many linemen of that era.
    The game was different then; guys could and would gouge eyes, bite, maul, and otherwise intentionally injure each other. Revenge was a common motive for causing intentional injuries – you did it to my guy, I’m going to do worse to yours, etc.
    Now every play is on camera at several angles, and nobody gets away with anything near the intimate violence of that past era.
    I agree that Cris Carter is mouthing his way into the waiting room, but his numbers certainly make him a HOF candidate.
    Love Bobby’s and Jimmy’s posts. Predictable as greasy, whistling farts from the sardined, obese asses off the shiny bleachers in the end z0ne at Lambeau. “Oh damn, I dropped my BagelCheddarWurst.” “It’s OK honey, I’ll get it back for you at halftime.”

  44. edgy says: Jul 20, 2010 6:38 PM

    Canned Heat says:
    Seriously? Kenny A. was good, but c’mon.
    ****************
    QB rating for his era was significantly lower. For example, he started playing in 1971 while just a few years later, Dan Marino, who played a much more pass happy era had a career QB rating of 85.4. On the other hand, HOF QB, Roger Staubach, retired with a QB rating of 83.4 and he had 153 TD vs 109 INT. Also, Brown ran the ball a lot and that cut down on his chances for TD passes and that hurt his QB rating. Despite the fact that he never won a title, his QB rating in the playoffs was 93.5, which is significantly better than Staubach and Marino. He was one goal line stand away from being a Super Bowl winner and that’s closer than Marino ever got.

  45. Cynical Bastard says: Jul 20, 2010 7:51 PM

    I have always wondered how Jerry Kramer can be continually left out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame while year after year middling players such as Leroy Kelly, Charlie Sanders, Roger Wehrli, Tommy McDonald and now Floyd Little get in.
    I also put Bob Kuechenberg in the Kramer category: an integral member of an all-time great championship team who is repeatedly snubbed. Both the Packers and the Dolphins ran their way to multiple NFL titles, and Kramer and Kuechenberg are prominent reasons why.
    Could it be their reputations are greater than their performance? Seriously, I’d like to know because it’s mystifying.
    I think the Pro Football Hall of Fame has long since passed the time where it should be taken seriously, and Floyd Little’s induction is just another head scratcher. Usually a player lacking championships or playoff appearances can get in with a superior statistical resume, but Little has neither. I’m not trying to demean him as a player, just wondering about the criteria in his case.
    I think Halls of Fame by their very nature should be exclusive and reserved for the best of the best. Otherwise what’s the point? Clearly the Pro Football Hall of Fame disagrees and has implemented an open-door policy. It’s getting awfully crowded in there.

  46. PurpleRaid12 says: Jul 20, 2010 7:57 PM

    I realize that Packer fans constantly troll onto Vikings articles and you probably feel as if Viking fans need to do the same with this article, but really Gregg, what the hell does this have to do with the Minnesota Vikings… Oh, you just wanted us to see JimmySmith’s asinine post? Got it. Thanks for the laugh.

  47. c.carterhof says: Jul 21, 2010 5:57 PM

    J. Kramer should be in, but so should J. Marshall and M. Tingelhoff. And of course C. Carter.

  48. jorge says: Jul 21, 2010 8:20 PM

    This is link from Rick Gosselin from the DallasMorningNews:
    He has an interesting look at the HOF and the way the Packers have been misrepresented by only having 19 enshrined in Canton…
    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/090109dnsponflnewsletterUSETHISONE.45d1a05.html?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:2be81fed-cf22-4343-b3d7-4bacb867e78e

  49. RC IV says: Jul 22, 2010 8:43 AM

    jorge says:
    July 21, 2010 8:20 PM
    This is link from Rick Gosselin from the DallasMorningNews:
    He has an interesting look at the HOF and the way the Packers have been misrepresented by only having 19 enshrined in Canton…
    ==============================
    You are a moron.
    Leave it to a Packer fan to be this stupid.
    Its a sportswriters opinion. They have enough.
    It’s not the “travesty” you make it out to be.

  50. Beer Cheese Soup says: Jul 22, 2010 10:05 AM

    c.carterhof says:
    J. Kramer should be in, but so should J. Marshall and M. Tingelhoff. And of course C. Carter.
    _____________________________________
    Couldn’t agree more actually. HOF voting has become a joke. Carter is one of the best ever at his position. I hate to admit it, but I will. Also, whoever said Ray Guy: good on you. No one cares about punters, but that man was a straight up incredible athlete regardless of position.

  51. ADPeterson says: Jul 22, 2010 11:35 PM

    Chris Carter should have been in by now!
    GO VIKINGS!!!!
    Jerry Kramer and Carter should be in!

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