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Roger Goodell: Fans have made it clear, they don't like preseason

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told our own Mike Florio on The Dan Patrick Show that as he travels from training camp to training camp and visits with fans, he has heard one thing loud and clear: The preseason stinks.

“The fans have made it incredibly clear that they don’t like preseason games,” Goodell said. “So the idea of staying within the 20-game format and taking two preseason games and converting them to regular season games has a lot of appeal. But you have to do it in a comprehensive fashion that is going to ensure that the game stays safe for our players, and that we maintain the kind of quality or improve on the quality that we’re doing.”

Goodell stopped short of saying that this will be the NFL’s last four-game preseason, but he did say he hears from fans that an 18-game regular season and shortened preseason is the way to go.

“We need to listen to our fans,” Goodell said.

Goodell also touched on several other hot-button issues in the NFL, including the status of quarterbacks Michael Vick, Ben Roethlisberger and Brett Favre.

“Michael didn’t do anything wrong in the sense of a violation of his probation or the conditions of his probation, or the terms of his suspension or discipline with the league,” Goodell said of the Vick birthday party that ended with Vick’s dogfighting co-defendant Quanis Phillips getting shot. “What he needs to do, though, is make sure he doesn’t put himself into positions where he can be caught in this kind of controversy.”

As to Roethlisberger, Goodell said he has been impresed with Roethlisberger’s conduct over the last couple of months, but he hasn’t changed his stance on the suspension for the Steelers’ quarterback.
 
“We’re staying within the framework of four to six games,” Goodell said. “He has to affirmatively work with the professionals that he’s been working with, to meet the guidance that he’s been given, the support that he needs. And I think he’s making tremendous progress. I’m encouraged by where he is and I think he’s in a much better place than he’s been.”

Goodell said he hopes Favre makes the decision that’s best for himself, but Goodell also said that from a personal standpoint, he’d love to see Favre come back.

“I think Brett Favre is always good for the league,” Goodell said.

Goodell has been traveling with John Madden during his training camp tour, and Florio also asked what kind of food the commissioner eats when hanging out on the Madden Cruiser.

“I didn’t lose any weight over the last few days,” Goodell said. “Let’s put it that way.”

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  1. Kaz says: Aug 6, 2010 10:31 AM

    I don’t see how we will ever find undrafted stars if there isn’t any time to get them on the field and see what they offer. 2 preseason games likely isn’t going to be enough opportunities to let them shine. Especially if you have to get the starters prepared for when the games count.

  2. Complete Fan says: Aug 6, 2010 10:35 AM

    No, Roger. The fans don’t like pre-season games, when they have to pay regular-season prices for them.
    If each team played two pre-season games, one at home, they were mandated to not be part of the season-ticket packages, and they were discounted so that kids who would not normally be able to go to a game because of the cost could experience a day at the stadium, then they would be much more tolerable.
    Besides, they have to exist for the coaches to evaluate their talent down the depth charts and for players to get in game shape.

  3. Buffalo Hogan says: Aug 6, 2010 10:37 AM

    as a seasonticket holder i am forced to pay for preseason and i give them away for free every year.
    The only good new is that the Bills are splitting the games with Toronto so i only eat one game.

  4. Pottsville Maroons = 1925 NFL Champs says: Aug 6, 2010 10:40 AM

    I really don’t mind the 4 pre-season games that much. Sure, the overall quality of play isn’t as precise as the regular season, and there’s a preponderance of penalties. But, it’s cool to see some players live their dreams for a few games, and the battle for the last few spots on the roster. 18 regular season games? Either there’s going to be an expansion of the 53 man roster or the practice squad roster. That’s happening.
    Note not NFL and NFLPA: Get on the ball with those contract negotiations, or this is a moot point…(although, I guess it’s not, since it will be an element of those discussions)

  5. sportsjustice says: Aug 6, 2010 10:40 AM

    That’s not true. I enjoy the preseason. Don’t get me wrong it’s nothing like the September, but I see the value in all 4 and do take great pleasure in seeing, of those 80 players, the final 30 fight and battle and crawl for the final 3 spots. There is great theater in it, just the preseason fails because of the lack of consistent TV broadcasts. We get a taste of what the NFL would be like without collective barraging and if the NFL broadcast rights where divided up pre-team and pre-market like of MLB does it. TV networks could really gin everything up.

  6. numberfour says: Aug 6, 2010 10:42 AM

    more games, more injuries, more replacements

  7. Vikes8480 says: Aug 6, 2010 10:43 AM

    Who cares Goodell. It is what it is. The fans need to deal with it or start watching another sport.

  8. Marv_Sleezy says: Aug 6, 2010 10:46 AM

    Fans have hated the preseason for many years – You only now say “listen to the fans,” because now you are ready to move on the issue and use it to make more money for the owners….

  9. onesweetworld says: Aug 6, 2010 10:47 AM

    why does roger goodell is starting to ruin the NFL. Its the best sports league in this country and its perfect. Why are they messing with it? Oh thats right its greed…..

  10. Indyeagle says: Aug 6, 2010 10:48 AM

    As EVERY poster before me said and ALL of my friends feel, Roger is full of it!
    We hate paying for pre-season games, not the games themselves. These games are invaluable for giving a kid a fair shot at showing what he can do.
    18 games is too many and Roger and the owners should be ashamed of themselves for trying to play the fans for fools.
    Do whatever you want, but don’t try and use the fans on a ploy that is obviously going to be a pawn in the CBA.

  11. edgy says: Aug 6, 2010 10:50 AM

    “We need to listen to our fans,” Goodell said.
    *********************
    Really, so when they tell you that they don’t want REGULAR SEASON games in London or any where overseas, you’ll listen — LIAR.
    So when they say that they don’t want a London Super Bowl, you’ll listen — LIAR.
    So when they complain about high ticket prices, you’ll go and make the owners scale them back — LIAR.
    You’re doing this to add money into the pockets of the owners and if the fans agree, big deal.

  12. mccormam says: Aug 6, 2010 10:51 AM

    Fans don’t like paying for the preseason games. If he was really about the fans he’d lower the price of the preseason tickets. I don’t know where he gets the “more games are what all fans want.”

  13. g7on says: Aug 6, 2010 10:51 AM

    18 games will result in more injuries which the fans won’t like. It is tough enough to make it to the Super Bowl healthy…

  14. Bob S. says: Aug 6, 2010 10:56 AM

    So after what? 50 or 60 years or more NFL finally hears that the fans don’t like being forced to and are obligated to buy at regular season prices — pre-season game tickets?

  15. Bigbluefan says: Aug 6, 2010 10:58 AM

    While I understand the need for the preseason I do not understand why they call these things games.
    They should be friendlys where the rules are not as stringent such as time outs
    The cost of the tickets is what the fans do not like I have to pay for 2 games and parking and club fees at the very least cut the prices in half or more so that kids who do not get to go to games could have the chance

  16. Bob S. says: Aug 6, 2010 11:01 AM

    Copying CFL? They used to play 3 and 4 exhibitions and 16 game season. Cut back to 2 weeks of pre-season games and added 2 games to make it a 18 game schedule. But if NFL did that they surely wouldn’t need these 80 man training camp fodder teams, dress for exhibition games anymore.

  17. Strick says: Aug 6, 2010 11:02 AM

    Guess I’ll go home and tell my wife that 4 out of 5 people I polled think I should get a hummer tonight…
    “Not my idea, honey. America has spoken…”

  18. joe6606 says: Aug 6, 2010 11:03 AM

    Goodell is such an out of touch loser, I cannot understand how he became commish.
    Helly McFly. As others have posted, true NFL fans LOVE and APPRECIATE the preseason games, as we know that guys need to get on the field for a proper evaluation as to whether they should make the team, or be cut.
    What we fans DESPISE, is being forced to pay FULL PRICE for what are nothing more than beefed up practices. This is what we hate. What we want is for you to market the preseason games as family friendly with reduced prices, special giveaways, etc, etc.
    Dont force us to buy the preseason games as part of our regular season package, at full f-ing price.
    Did I make that clear? We dont want to pay full price, full price, full price, full price.
    And the solution is not to just replace 2 preseason with 2 additional regular season games. Hello McFly, why in the hell would we want even more injuries? If injuries werent so common then your point would be valid, but, they are.

  19. klungemonger says: Aug 6, 2010 11:04 AM

    Yep, this is totally weak. I agree the preseason is good for evaluating rookies and fine-tuning the offensive and defensive gameplanning at speeds and intensities above what is possible in practice, even if not quite the level of a real regular season game.
    Leave it alone Goodell! Don’t you have something better to do? Isn’t there a CBA that needs negotiating? And there must be a suspension somewhere that needs handing out?

  20. CaptainFantastik says: Aug 6, 2010 11:06 AM

    The fans have made it clear Mr. Goodell….they don’t like YOU. You’re right. We need to listen to the fans and get rid of your sorry ass before you pussify the game any further and rob it of even more integrity. Pretty soon you’ll have 18 games with QB’s wearing red jerseys and WR’s wearing flags on their hips.

  21. BigBear123 says: Aug 6, 2010 11:07 AM

    He is becoming a politician. Only hears what he wants to.

  22. HarrisonHits says: Aug 6, 2010 11:10 AM

    What the fans don’t like is paying full price for a product that doesn’t give you the regular season value. I am perfectly happy with the 4 game preseason and think it should stay that way.

  23. Ridge_Runner says: Aug 6, 2010 11:12 AM

    Vikes8480 says:
    Who cares Goodell. It is what it is. The fans need to deal with it or start watching another sport.
    My thoughts exactly. It’s not like anyone but season ticket holders complain about preseason. I have always thought of it as the final stages of training camp.

  24. PSURavens says: Aug 6, 2010 11:13 AM

    Goodell and the NFL could care less about the fans and he is kidding himself if he thinks he does. Nothing he does is because it’s what the fans want; look at Edgy’s post earlier, it’s very well put and points out everything.

  25. Simp McGhee says: Aug 6, 2010 11:14 AM

    Every poster above me is in agreement. PFT, what’s going on today?!?
    Goodell, take that as your message from the fans. Keep the season 16 games. Keep the 4 preseason games, but cut ticket prices by 50%. And don’t put the damn Super Bowl in London!

  26. jj jones says: Aug 6, 2010 11:15 AM

    18 games = more injuries
    Plain and simple. My predictions is by week six there will again be a long list of star players out with injuries and outlets like SI and ESPN will begin to question if an 18 game season will work. And next offseason, we will have this same discussion.

  27. geaux says: Aug 6, 2010 11:16 AM

    Mr. Goodell should recognize that for those of us who have season tickets (WHO DAT!), we are forced to fork over full price for glorified scrimmages that not many people desire to attend. That is what the biggest problem is with the preseason.
    If you add two games to the regular season, you still force season ticket holders to fork over the full price for the one preseason game. And, you risk injury to the players in the league who now would have to endure an 18-game season (not counting the playoffs).
    Of course, Goodell is probably seeing the $$$ that would be generated from TV revenue for the two extra games. But the risk is overexposing the sport – sometimes less is more and it’s better to leave the golden goose alone than stir it up.
    But in any event – I would love to not have to pay the same price for a preseason game versus San Diego as the big Thursday night season opener versus Minnesota. That’s the problem.

  28. whodatpat says: Aug 6, 2010 11:16 AM

    Are we fans? I haven’t seen ONE single comment here that wants 18 game season and 2 preseason games! THE FANS WANT IT TO STAY LIKE IT IS! Well, minus the London games…

  29. Florio-is-a-tool says: Aug 6, 2010 11:16 AM

    It’s not the pre-season games but forcing people to pay full price for them.
    I like the games because you get to see reserves and rookies get some real game action. They improve the roster selecting process and the reserves learn more about what they don’t know.

  30. teke184 says: Aug 6, 2010 11:17 AM

    Two steps forward, about a hundred steps back.
    Fans don’t like the preseason because they’re paying full price to watch the stars play for a quarter or a half before they’re replaced by the guys jockeying for the final roster spot.
    This proposed change also makes the complaints about the end of the season being worthless even bigger, as you’re going to have teams who have already secured home-field advantage like the Saints and Colts resting starters in order to heal up for the playoffs.

  31. Dustin Chandler says: Aug 6, 2010 11:18 AM

    PLEASE DON’T RUIN THE NFL!!! :(

  32. Spungy says: Aug 6, 2010 11:18 AM

    I think the NFL should have 162 games a year. Bunch of pansies.

  33. Indyeagle says: Aug 6, 2010 11:20 AM

    I agree with Joe6606, true fans enjoy the pre-season.
    However, I think Roger has done a good job as commissioner so far. This issue notwithstanding.

  34. d0gger says: Aug 6, 2010 11:23 AM

    Because the players have already shown there lack of fondess with the added 2 games… I think it would be wise to be done with the pre-season altogether or simply just have 1 exhibition game then have an 18 game season with 2 bye weeks. Their bodies need the rest and I’d like ‘my’ team to be as healthy as possible going into the playoffs.

  35. Philly Cheese says: Aug 6, 2010 11:23 AM

    The pre-season is necessary, albeit difficult to watch sometimes. Since football is a year round sport now, there should not be a need for such a long pre-season. Two is plenty, four is painful.

  36. sportsgenious says: Aug 6, 2010 11:23 AM

    OK, so what about this… it is all about money, TV ratings, advertising reveneu etc, right? To comprimise not having each team and players play an extra 2 games, why not extend the season (not each team’s games, just the “NFL season) by 1 week to get an extra week of TV revenue but give teams an extra bye week and just schedule accordingly. So you play 16 games over 18 weeks, the NFL gets 18 weeks on TV with less games per day instead of 17 weeks with more games per day. This way, all the records stay intact (of course this is alredy debateable given the 14 game schedule back in the day).

  37. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Aug 6, 2010 11:23 AM

    u guys do realize that if they add more games season ticket holders will have to pay more

  38. Corey says: Aug 6, 2010 11:24 AM

    put it simply. if they players play more games, they deserve a larger percentage of revenue sharing. am i wrong?

  39. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Aug 6, 2010 11:24 AM

    MDS, Florio, Rosenthal, et al. Please start a petition on PFT. Use your platform to communicate to Goodell how the fans really feel. Keep the game in the US. Keep the 16 games, 4 preseason games. Stop f-ing up the game.
    2 preseason games is going to equate to the first 2 regular season games being overly sloppy. People recognize that the preseason games are important to the development of the team. Make them cheap and fan friendly to go to. It’s bullshit saying they’re trying to make the game better. No, they’re trying to make more money.
    Football belongs in the fall. Start too early, and you’ll have people dying from the heat. End too late and you have bad, sloppy football because the players can feel their fingers.
    Ah, what’s the point.

  40. BigBenRapesDefenses says: Aug 6, 2010 11:26 AM

    “We need to listen to our fans,” Goodell said.
    ————————-
    Hahahaha, if that was the case he would resign. Most fans hate the guy.

  41. 8man says: Aug 6, 2010 11:28 AM

    It’s the price and the number. Football is an all year round effort now. Coaches know what they have before most pre-season games even start.
    Four pre-season games is too many. And they are over priced. Cut it to three, with each team alternating having two at home each year or cut it down to just two.
    Fans won’t bitch as much if they only have to eat on pre-season game and it’s their only shot to see the squad before the major cuts. You could make an argument that the lone pre-season game they will be able to see will have significant meaning in shaping the team.

  42. facelessman says: Aug 6, 2010 11:30 AM

    Goodell is starting to be full of Shi& …fans dont wanna PAY for the preseason for Games YOU idiot.. This GUY is GONNA RUIN THE LEAGUE ..WOW Idiot..18 games is SO STUPID of an idea.. I have supported him til now.. Where can we really Voice our opinion ??

  43. bigdogsolec says: Aug 6, 2010 11:31 AM

    18 game season ? OKKKK ,so now the players out there that will break season records we will have another story of ” WELL I DID IT WHEN IT WAS ONLY A 12,14,16 GAME SEASON , sooo I’M STILL THE BETTER ONE “

  44. js136202 says: Aug 6, 2010 11:33 AM

    If you want 18 games, you don’t know anything about football and are a casual fan. 18 games means the last 2 or 3 weeks will likely be meaningless except for maybe 2 or 3 games that have actual playoff implications. More players on teams that are out of the playoffs will suffer injuries that impact their status the following year.
    It is a safe bet that 4 or 5 guys a week will have season-ending injuries in games played in January and won’t return for the beginning of the following year. Teams like my Browns, that are already out of the playoffs at that point, will play meaningless scrimmages in the freezing cold. Fans will be subjected to harsh weather conditions and the stadium will be half-full, as season ticket holders choose to watch the game on TV.
    Goodell is giving Bud Selig a run for his money as the worst commissioner in pro sports.

  45. ravensos says: Aug 6, 2010 11:33 AM

    Fan’s don’t like preseason because they have to pay full price as Complete Fan stated above. If they were 1/2 price I think there would be a lot less complaining.

  46. jesus christ says: Aug 6, 2010 11:34 AM

    Roger you ignorant bastard. I dont wana watch T.O. play till he’s 50… please dont ruin player development

  47. CPWolverine says: Aug 6, 2010 11:34 AM

    You move to an 18 regular season game schedule and records will be broken.

  48. daffy87 says: Aug 6, 2010 11:35 AM

    I’m surprised Goodell is so on board with an 18 game season with all the attention concussions have gotten lately. Adding two more games means more injuries, more concussions. It’s all about money, not what the fans want…just be plain Goodell. The NFL owners want to pocket more cash, they value the dollars over player safety. I don’t see any way that Goodell can talk about player safety being his priority with a straight face.

  49. TheDPR says: Aug 6, 2010 11:39 AM

    Roger is full of crap. “Complete Fan” nailed it with the second comment.
    Fans would be fine with preseason games IF:
    1. They weren’t mandatory included in season ticket packages.
    2. They didn’t cost full-price for a ticket.
    The fans’ point is that if we’re going to have to buy the tickets and we’re paying full price for them then the games should count.

  50. lawdjayee says: Aug 6, 2010 11:41 AM

    Whatever. The 18-game season is just a peace offering to small market/crappy stadium teams to get them to go along with player salaries that aren’t reduced as much as they like. The “voice of the fan” crap is ridiculous, as has been pointed out by many commentators already. What I really don’t get about this is that weeks 13-16 are already dominated by pointless games…an 18-game season will add at least one pointless game (as far as playoffs are concerned) to the TV schedule for every team.

  51. Dick Gozinia says: Aug 6, 2010 11:48 AM

    Goodell is a dolt.
    It’s not that fans hate preseason, it’s necessary. They hate that they’re full price and subject to black outs like regular season games.
    Greed, not fan’s wishes are dictating his motives.
    16 games a year already shortens a lot of careers.

  52. Indyeagle says: Aug 6, 2010 11:51 AM

    CBA bargaining chip, that is all this 18 game talk is to Goodell and the owners.

  53. brasho says: Aug 6, 2010 11:58 AM

    Goodell is full of crap. Any fan that knows anything about football might not like preseason games, but even more so just hates paying for them. By week 10 many teams are having a hard time filling a stadium because they are out of contention, adding two more weeks to a lame duck team is only going to make it worse… add the fact that injuries will be far more frequent and make the quality go way down, Goodell is only thinking of TV contracts and the extra cash that 2 extra weeks will bring in.

  54. BroncoBourque says: Aug 6, 2010 12:01 PM

    The CFL has had 2 preseason games and 18 regular season games for years now. They haven’t had a major problem with extra injuries and they only have a roster size arround 42 players. This idea that there will be a sudden increase in injuries because they convert two of the games into meaningful games is pure fiction. I am sure if you compare games late in the year to early, there is probably the same rate of injuries in both sets of games.
    Look arround the league right now, a lot of players have suffered injuries already in the first few days of camp, some of them to star players and some of them will be out for the season. It is a contact sport and players can get hurt any time they strap on the pads. Whether the games are in the preseason or regular season or just scrimmaging in training camp players will get hurt.
    With all that being the case, why wouldn’t you want to increase the season to 18 games. If a star player is going to get hurt, like Dumervil in Denver for example, wouldn’t you rather it at least be in a meaningful game instead of training camp or a preseason game?

  55. 4ever19 says: Aug 6, 2010 12:04 PM

    Echoing some of the comments here, it is the idea of paying regular season prices for exhibition games that the fans don’t like. Personally, I like exhibition games. I like seeing in action players who may make a given team but probably won’t see the field at all during the regular season. I like listening to the “local” TV crews vs. the national ones. And I do think the exhibition season allows teams to uncover players who can help. The games may not mean anything in terms of standings but they certainly do mean something in regards to a team’s regular season makeup. It’s not the fans but the TV dollars that is driving this. Goodell doesn’t really give a rip for the fans beyond vacuuming their wallets.

  56. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 12:05 PM

    “We need to listen to our fans,” Goodell said.
    —————
    Because the fans’ interests are ALWAYS in line with the best interests of the game? You’re a phony, Goodell. Every single decision you’ve made with respect to the scheduling or location of league games has resulted in more revenue. That’s not a coincidence.
    – Flex schedule – more advertising money, plain and simple. Yes, it results in better prime time matchups. But money drove that decision.
    – Games played overseas – expanding global reach, bringing in more advertising, more merchandise sales.
    – Expansion of the season – obviously more gate receipts, advertising money.
    You need to start thinking about what’s best for the game and the players. Pony up some money for those crippled retirees. Put in some rules to deal with concussions. Listen to the players and coaches when they say they don’t want to reduce the preseason or expand the regular season.
    And in my opinion, have a little respect for the game’s greats in terms of the records they’ve established. Matt Schaub would’ve crushed Marino’s single-season yardage record last season if he played two extra games. Hell, Daunte Culpepper would’ve broken that record in 2004 if he had two extra games. Does anyone here want to see Dan Marino’s name wiped off the record books by a guy like Daunte Culpepper? What about the 2,000 yard rushing club? Are we prepared to see legends like Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson be surpassed by lesser guys?
    The following guys would be members of the 2,000 yard rushing club if they had two extra games tacked on each season:
    Shaun Alexander
    Tiki Barber
    Larry Johnson
    LaDainian Tomlinson
    Ahman Green
    Ricky Williams
    Priest Holmes
    Numbers and stats shouldn’t drive a lot of decisions regarding the scheduling of NFL games, but try to have a little respect for the accomplishments of the league’s best players.

  57. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 12:06 PM

    Roger Goodell: Fans have made it clear, they don’t like preseason
    ————–
    Fans have also made it clear they don’t like paying for season tickets, seat licenses, merchandise or concessions.
    Are you going to make everything free, Roger?

  58. Strick says: Aug 6, 2010 12:10 PM

    When was this vote taken? Why didn’t I receive a ballot?
    Goodell is making this up. HE wants a longer season. HE wants a shorter preseason. This is all driven by money – preseason games don’t generate nearly as much revenue as regular-season games.
    This “it’s what the fans want” nonsense is just that – nonsense.

  59. KILLER FIN says: Aug 6, 2010 12:12 PM

    American fans don’t like the game going to England either but he won’t be changing that soon!!! Just wait Goodell will ruin the NFL!!! Just a matter of time!!!

  60. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 12:13 PM

    I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again. Until the fans organize themselves and get a seat at the bargaining table, nothing’s going to change. They’ll charge us whatever the hell they want to charge as long as:
    – Merchandise sells
    – Stadiums fill
    – Advertisers pay
    Until we boycott advertisers or stop paying for tickets and merchandise, player salaries will continue to climb, ticket and merchandise prices will continue to climb and team values will continue to climb. No one looks out for the fan. We pay everyone’s salary, including Roger’s, and they don’t even have the common courtesy to work out their differences on a CBA so football will continue to be played. Unbelievable arrogance.

  61. NFL Spin Zone says: Aug 6, 2010 12:16 PM

    Non-sense.
    I look forward to the pre-season and being able to get a look at the young talent that teams have to offer.
    It gives me a good sense of team depth, and a few surprise players. I don’t know who he’s trying to kid, but he’s slowly ruining the NFL, and someone needs to stop it.

  62. mr_snrub says: Aug 6, 2010 12:17 PM

    There’s a big difference between making everything free and essentially forcing me to spend $500 for 4 tickets to 2 games that I ultimately give away.

  63. golongboyee says: Aug 6, 2010 12:21 PM

    To all you morons who like pre-season and say it is needed…bolonie.
    First of all, if you still need time to evaluate players, you can do that BETTER during scrimmages and controled practices. Getting someone in there for a few plays isn’t going to give a true evaluation. If this isn’t enough, create a true minor league system. Don’t give us minor league football at NFL prices.
    There used to be 6 preseason games, then 4, now 2 is plenty. As it stands now, there is at least one meaningless preseason game anyway (the last one). Nobody wants to go to a meaningless pre-season game much less a meaningless pre-season game that is meaningless. (if that makes sense).
    Times have changed, the NFL needs to as well. The fact that it takes them this long shows they are run almost like govt (ie, out of touch, slow to react, etc). The fact that until about 15 years ago, one couldn’t watch whatever games they wanted to on tv is ridiculous!

  64. Mikey says: Aug 6, 2010 12:25 PM

    As a supporter of the current preseason format, I’m not totally sure if Training Camp and two preseason games allows NFL coaching staffs enough time to properly evaluate players. This past Super Bowl had the most undrafted players on the two respective rosters in almost 30 years. Look for that to change under this proposed format, which is a tragedy. Fans like odds-beaters.
    I do agree that season ticket holders should not have to pay full price for preseason tickets, but there is an easy solution to this problem. Play your preseason games at regional sites.
    You mean to tell me the NFL would be worried about selling out a Cowboys V. Saints game in Shreveport, or a Panthers V. Redskins game played at UVA? The NFL is looking to market their teams as products for an entire region. It also gives fans that would normally never get to go to a game a chance to see their favorite team up close and personal. How can this not work?

  65. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 12:27 PM

    golongboyee says:
    August 6, 2010 12:21 PM
    To all you morons who like pre-season and say it is needed…bolonie.
    First of all, if you still need time to evaluate players, you can do that BETTER during scrimmages and controled practices. Getting someone in there for a few plays isn’t going to give a true evaluation. If this isn’t enough, create a true minor league system. Don’t give us minor league football at NFL prices.
    There used to be 6 preseason games, then 4, now 2 is plenty. As it stands now, there is at least one meaningless preseason game anyway (the last one). Nobody wants to go to a meaningless pre-season game much less a meaningless pre-season game that is meaningless. (if that makes sense).
    Times have changed, the NFL needs to as well. The fact that it takes them this long shows they are run almost like govt (ie, out of touch, slow to react, etc). The fact that until about 15 years ago, one couldn’t watch whatever games they wanted to on tv is ridiculous!
    ————
    Hey, Roger! Glad you could join us.

  66. godofwine says: Aug 6, 2010 12:27 PM

    @Complete Fan says:
    August 6, 2010 10:35 AM
    No, Roger. The fans don’t like pre-season games, when they have to pay regular-season prices for them.
    He hit the nail on the head. Paying full price to see scrubs that are unlikely to make the final roster, especially if you go to the first two pre-season games. That’s ridiculous.
    I don’t know when that started or why it has gone on so long unchecked without the fans uprising (maybe because people haven’t truly stuck together for a cause since the bus boycott in 1955-56).
    Owners for years have taken advantage of the popularity of the sport to take advantage of the American public. They couldn’t do the right thing, which is lower the prices. That would be, as my mother used to say, “Too much like right.” They don’t want to lose money. So they want the players to pay for it by adding 2 regular season games and calling it even…but it isn’t even. STARTERS play one series in the first game, maybe a quarter in the second, a half in the third and most don’t play in the fourth. That comes out to be one series more than 16 3/4 games a year, not 18 games.
    Let me get back on track, fans don’t like to pay full regular season prices to see exhibition games where the starters play a total of 3/4 games out of 4. I’m paying full price to see Tom Brady, not Brian Hoyer or Zac Robinson. I had to go to NFL.com just to find their names, and I knew Zac Robinson only from playing NCAA Football 2009 on PS3.
    This is off balance. The prices need to be fixed, there is no need to add more games. I love football as much as the next person…probably more. But with injuries we are more likely to see more Brian Hoyers or Zac Robinsons in an 18 game season than we are Tom Bradys.

  67. golongboyee says: Aug 6, 2010 12:29 PM

    Adam-Chris Schefterson – what a moronic post.
    First of all, the NFL is a business, not a non-profit. Just like any business, all decisions (or at least 99.9%) are driven by the dollar. That is the way it is and will always be.
    Secondly, these crippled players are compensated well and this is built into their compensation. If Sam Bradford gets his ankle crushed and limps for the rest of his life, I am not going to feel sorry for the guy. He knows the risks and he is certainly free to NOT play and collect his millions.
    and thirdly, the records have been tainted anyway. The league already has expanded from 14 to 16 games and the rule changes have also had a significant impact. Throwing for 300 yards now isnt a big deal nor is a 1000 yard rusher….your point is meaningless because it has already happened.
    Bad post!!!!!!!!!!!!

  68. golongboyee says: Aug 6, 2010 12:30 PM

    Mikey – sorry, WRONG!!!

  69. tudefit says: Aug 6, 2010 12:31 PM

    I believe it seems he was not really listening to fans? Seems we are not against 4 preseason games but just against season ticket holders being required to pay for those games. Lower the prices for the games and drop the season ticket requirement!
    Just how can the teams be sure they put out the best product – and that includes solid backups – if they don’t have an opportunity to watch them in game situations? And how many times do teams enter the playoffs with numerous injuries? That will grow.
    He is not looking out for the fans but is looking to generate additional revenue. Goodell – Fans are not stupid!!!

  70. JimmySmith says: Aug 6, 2010 12:33 PM

    Goodell is full of it, many fans hate the idea of a 18 season game but that is hardly going to stop the NFL. We also hate Favre’s annual waffling excercise but I hardly see Rodger doing anything about that either.

  71. Complete Fan says: Aug 6, 2010 12:34 PM

    The CFL has had 2 preseason games and 18 regular season games for years now. They haven’t had a major problem with extra injuries and they only have a roster size arround 42 players. This idea that there will be a sudden increase in injuries because they convert two of the games into meaningful games is pure fiction. I am sure if you compare games late in the year to early, there is probably the same rate of injuries in both sets of games.
    ———————————————–
    I’ve watched an 18-game CFL for years and at no time has injuries been a topic of discussion.

  72. Mike says: Aug 6, 2010 12:40 PM

    Fans don’t like the preseason because season ticket folders are forced to pay full price for tickets which are worthless.

  73. 100 no's and 1 yes still mean yes says: Aug 6, 2010 12:40 PM

    Yea I have to say the majority of the posters here havE it right it’s not that we don’t like the pre season I just don’t wanna have to pay $70 per ticket to sit in the nosebleeds for an exhibition game basically I personally love pre season football I guess bcuz I like college and the draft I love watching these guys fight for spots and position on the depth chart and following guys u watched in college it’s great amd like pretty much everyone said it’s hard enough staying healthy through 16 games and making it to the playoffs let alone 18

  74. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 12:42 PM

    golongboyee says:
    August 6, 2010 12:21 PM
    To all you morons who like pre-season and say it is needed…bolonie.
    ————–
    And to you…poopycook.

  75. OSC says: Aug 6, 2010 12:42 PM

    There’s an old, old saying that goes something to the effect of, listen to the fans, you’ll be sitting with them before long.
    The four week pre-season is a good thing. It gives everyone vying to make the team or jostle for positioning, a fairly equal chance.
    The toll taken on the body by extending the regular season could be very costly to teams and personnel.
    Unlike baseball and other sports (hockey aside), football is a nasty, hard-hitting game. Extending the regular season will do nothing more than take away from the quality over the length of a season.
    Pre-season tickets are ridiculously priced for what is an exhibition game. If anything needs to be looked at, it’s ticket prices for pre-season games.
    Otherwise, leave well enough alone — if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  76. Wellsee says: Aug 6, 2010 12:43 PM

    Hey PFT, please put up a new post on how we fans can share our feelings about the 18 game season. Because the preseason may be universally disliked, there are many of us who don’t want a longer regular season either.

  77. Indyeagle says: Aug 6, 2010 12:44 PM

    golongboyee,
    You are right, 65 out of 69 posters are against this but WE are the morons.
    Good call.
    You say: “First of all, if you still need time to evaluate players, you can do that BETTER during scrimmages and controled practices”
    I say: Bullcrap. You never know how a player is going to play until the lights come on. Too many guys are “practice all pro’s” just to completely shut down when the pressure of fans, friends, family, etc. are watching them.
    You say: “There used to be 6 preseason games, then 4, now 2 is plenty.”
    I say: So, in like 100 years, we will have evolved into a league of zero preseason games and 40 regular season games, right? I mean, if we do as you say and grow with the times, when do we say enough is enough?

  78. RyanT. says: Aug 6, 2010 12:45 PM

    Goodell stop with this 18 game season BS!!!
    I’m a fan and I recoil at the mere thought of the regular season being expanded!
    The Super Bowl in late February or early March? UGH!
    I am begging the NFLPA to hold firm against this 18 game nonsense. 16 games per team is perfect and in a 32 team league leads to balanced schedules. 18 games will muck every thing up!
    The preseason serves a useful purpose: getting backups precious playing time in game situations.
    An 18 game regular season serves no useful purpose other than to make the owners more money.

  79. RyanT. says: Aug 6, 2010 12:48 PM

    The players need to stop Goodell from ruining the NFL.
    Goodell has been good at disciplining players that need it, but his massive ego is endangering the popularity of the NFL.
    There is nothing wrong with a 16 game season, and greedy owners and Goodell are going to dilute the quality of the regualr season by adding games.
    And, trust me they won’t stop at 18. Once they get that, they’ll push for 20. Does a 20 game regular season excite anybody? YUCK!

  80. CaptainMarvel says: Aug 6, 2010 12:49 PM

    The NFL is the only sport in which every game is exciting and important. Sure enough, they’re gonna ruin it so they can get more money.

  81. Elyasm says: Aug 6, 2010 12:50 PM

    Goodell is a lying sack of crap and the worst commissioner in the history of the league. The preseason is fantastic and necessary; the first two games give coaches a chance to evaluate second & third string players (hello Tony Romo, Julian Edelman & countless others!) while the second two games give the starters a chance to get up to speed before it counts. An 18 game season means that once again we have to throw the record book in the trash. STOP F%*#ING UP THE LEAGUE, GOODELL!!

  82. Ridge_Runner says: Aug 6, 2010 12:55 PM

    BigBenRapesDefenses says:
    “We need to listen to our fans,” Goodell said.
    Hahahaha, if that was the case he would resign. Most fans hate the guy.

    Best post in this thread.

  83. JJ Nukes says: Aug 6, 2010 1:00 PM

    The games are important to the development of the players, but they should not force the season ticket holders to buy those tickets also. It ends up costing a ticket holder $500+ a season for 2 tickets to 2 games he never goes to.
    The NFL makes a bundle, in good faith they should open all the scrimages to the public, or maybe even do some of the games in non NFL cities to promote the good will of the game. Play them at college stadiums or something.

  84. Steel Dahn Sahth says: Aug 6, 2010 1:00 PM

    Goodell needs to worry about even having a season next year. Period. Nothing else matters if there’s not a season.

  85. uwannago says: Aug 6, 2010 1:01 PM

    Roger, We didn’t say we hate pre-season we hate paying full price for it!!

  86. sven_ftw says: Aug 6, 2010 1:01 PM

    reality makes it clear that a lot of conditioning based injuries occur early on, and that injuries also accumulate as the season wears on.
    what the average fan wants and what’s good for the health of the players, therefore the quality of the product, are two different things.

  87. MizzouRam says: Aug 6, 2010 1:05 PM

    I don’t know who the hell Goodell is listening to? The biggest thing I love about football is that every game is important. 18 games diminishes that.
    As a Rams fan, I shutter to think what will happen to Steven Jackson in a 18 game season. HE MIGHT DIE!!!!

  88. Patsfan1776 says: Aug 6, 2010 1:06 PM

    Goodell isn’t reacting to the fans he is reacting to the TV people that can’t sell advertising for pre-season games. The in-stadium fans will still be paying full price for the tickets. I agree with most here saying that 18 or 20 game schedule is going to hurt the NFL in the long run because players will get hurt and each game becomes less important.

  89. Bradenton Buc says: Aug 6, 2010 1:09 PM

    True fns do like the NFL preseason. We don’t need real football any earlier or later. The problem is with the ticket, parking, etc, prices the owners charge, for watching players whom will not be on the team in September play

  90. ejtowne says: Aug 6, 2010 1:11 PM

    I think that 18 games would be a great idea. First, It would make the players earn their million dollar checks. (The players earn too much money for such a short and simple job) Second, even if there was more injuries, It would give the other players a chance to shine.(A star gets hurt and that back-up that might have not gotten on the field does) Third, just about everyone hates preseason. I am all for the change.

  91. edgy says: Aug 6, 2010 1:18 PM

    BroncoBourque says:
    The CFL has had 2 preseason games and 18 regular season games for years now. They haven’t had a
    *****************
    Baloney. The ACTIVE roster is 42 (up from 40 in 2006 and up from where it was when the season was 16 games) and they can have up to 4 on their reserve roster and 7 practice players. The NFL ACTIVE roster is 45 (but can dip to 42) and then they can have an 8 man practice squad. FORGETTING the reserve roster, that’s 49 for the CFL and 53 for the NFL. Given the fact that the hits in the NFL are FAR MORE VIOLENT, you can bet that the extra 2 games will result in more injuries. Do you think that the NFL increased the roster size after it went from 14 to 16 games because they like paying guys all that money not to play? Seriously, don’t bring the CFL into this and more importantly, if you do then tell the truth.

  92. RyanT. says: Aug 6, 2010 1:20 PM

    gologboyee,
    I can tell you have never played organized football in your life!
    NEWSFLASH: no matter how hard you practice or scrimmage with your own team, it can never match the intensity of playing against an opponent. You hit harder, and you play with more abandon! In short: you play like it matters even if it is just preseason.
    You wouldn’t do that in practice because you wouldn’t want to risk injuring or alienating your own teammates.

  93. RyanT. says: Aug 6, 2010 1:26 PM

    I’m a season ticket holder. And, unlike many of my fellow season ticket holders, I am apparently in more touch with reality.
    Listen: if they scrap those 2 preseason games and add 2 regular season games, do you think for a moment that you’ll pay the same or less than you do now?
    Reality: we will pay more! Cuz, they’ll tell us that “before you were just paying for 8 regular season games and 2 preseason games. Now, we have to charge you for 9 regular season games and 1 preseason games.”
    I mean does anyone think we won’t get screwed if they do this? And, truth be told this is probably part of Goodell’s scheme to “internationalize” the game and every team will be forced to play one “home” game overseas….which season ticket holders will still be forced to pay for!

  94. MitchBergerSaysKissTheRingBitch says: Aug 6, 2010 1:30 PM

    What the hell is Roger talking about? Was there a national survey I wasn’t aware of or is Roger lying to us again so the league can line it’s pockets with more coin? The only downside to 4 pre-season games is the injuries. Adding another regular season game doesn’t fix the problem or add anything the sport but more revenue for the league. I’m getting pretty sick of Roger Goodell changing the game for the worse. I’m curious to know how many rule changes have been made since he’s taken over; it seems like there are more every off-season. Why tamper with the most popular sport in North America? Goodell is a flipping moron and it’s becoming pretty clear to me that the players as well as a lot of fans are quickly losing respect for the guy. I hope the NFLPA takes his ass to the woodshed during the lockout and exposes him for the greedy dipshit he is.

  95. Nard100 says: Aug 6, 2010 1:35 PM

    I love how Goodell makes it sound like he’s going start the regular season earlier by cutting 2 pre-season games. He’s not. The season would still start at it’s usual time and run longer. The players don’t want that. The fans don’t want it either. Withe less preseason games and a longer season they’ll have to ratchet up OTA’s in the off-season too. It’s a lose-lose proposition.

  96. vikesfan024 says: Aug 6, 2010 1:37 PM

    There is no need for changing anything other than that fascist practice of forcing season ticket holders to buy pre-season tickets. 16 games is plenty. If anyone should be asked if the current 4 game pre-season is satisfactory, it should be the coaches and players. Fans, get over yourselves. The pre-season is not for fans. It’s for coaches trying to decide whom to cut and players on the bubble to earn their keep.
    Here is how you fix the so-called problem with the current system. Stop forcing people to buy pre-season tickets. Let the market determine how much a pre-season ticket should cost and adjust accordingly. There is no way in hell that the NFL is suffering for money with a 16 game season. Ticket sales, merchandise, TV rights and year-round football coverage make the league plenty of money.
    From everything I have heard and read, the players DO NOT want 18 regular season games. Enough said.

  97. RyanT. says: Aug 6, 2010 1:40 PM

    Mike Florio should call these comments to Roger Goodell’s attention: we’re all football fans and practically only 2 or 3 commenters have agreed with the 18 game season scenario.
    The rest of us have lambasted the idea. How’s that for “listening to the fans” Roger?

  98. Elyasm says: Aug 6, 2010 1:51 PM

    @ejtowne
    Wow, you made three points and managed to be wrong on each one!
    1.) It would make the players earn their million dollar checks. (The players earn too much money for such a short and simple job.)
    While I might agree that the players are overpaid, if the league expands the season the players will demand a proportionately greater amount of money, guaranteed. The NFLPA and even Florio would back me up on this.
    2.) even if there was more injuries, It would give the other players a chance to shine.(A star gets hurt and that back-up that might have not gotten on the field does)
    Do you really want to go to a game and see Brian Hoyer play instead of Tom Brady, really? People’s biggest complaint with the preseason is that they are paying full price to see backups play as it is, now you want us to pay full price to watch backups play in the regular season, too?
    3.) just about everyone hates preseason.
    Did you read any of the other comments on this article, moron? Your opinion is clearly in the minority.

  99. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 1:51 PM

    golongboyee says:
    August 6, 2010 12:29 PM
    First of all, the NFL is a business, not a non-profit. Just like any business, all decisions (or at least 99.9%) are driven by the dollar. That is the way it is and will always be.
    ———————–
    True. And just like any business, if you degrade the product it will be detrimental to the business. Exactly my point. I’m a customer and I think the current CEO is degrading the product.
    ——————
    golongboyee says:
    August 6, 2010 12:29 PM
    Secondly, these crippled players are compensated well and this is built into their compensation. If Sam Bradford gets his ankle crushed and limps for the rest of his life, I am not going to feel sorry for the guy. He knows the risks and he is certainly free to NOT play and collect his millions.
    ——————-
    I’m not talking about Sam Bradford here, but thanks for bringing him up.. The rookie wage scale is something Rog needs to work on, too.
    I’m talking about the 60, 70, 80 year old guys who played decades ago. I’m talking about guys like Johnny Unitas, who can’t hold a pen like you and me to sign autographs normally. I’m talking about the guys who are dying early in their 40s and 50s. I’m talking about the guy who WEREN’T compensated well. Idiot.
    ——————–
    golongboyee says:
    August 6, 2010 12:29 PM
    and thirdly, the records have been tainted anyway. The league already has expanded from 14 to 16 games and the rule changes have also had a significant impact. Throwing for 300 yards now isnt a big deal nor is a 1000 yard rusher….your point is meaningless because it has already happened.
    ———————-
    Yes, it has happened. Does that mean we want it to happen all over again? Your argument makes no sense.
    Throwing for 300 yards isn’t a big deal because the NFL is much more of a passing game now, not because they expanded the game from 40 minutes to 60 minutes. If that were the case, you might have a point. But it’s not. And you don’t.
    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because the league expanded the season in the past doesn’t mean it was the right decision then, and it certainly doesn’t mean it’s the right decision now.

  100. Dan Mateus says: Aug 6, 2010 1:58 PM

    And when NFL had 6 preseason games and only 14 regular season games many people said that would ruin the NFL.
    The sport is more popular than ever.
    And i suspect that if they go 18 it will be even better.
    All the chicken littles need to relax or just watch college football where champions are decided by sports writers.

  101. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 2:01 PM

    vikesfan024 says:
    August 6, 2010 1:37 PM
    There is no need for changing anything other than that fascist practice of forcing season ticket holders to buy pre-season tickets. 16 games is plenty. If anyone should be asked if the current 4 game pre-season is satisfactory, it should be the coaches and players. Fans, get over yourselves. The pre-season is not for fans. It’s for coaches trying to decide whom to cut and players on the bubble to earn their keep.
    ————
    Perfectly stated.

  102. TNCM333 says: Aug 6, 2010 2:07 PM

    What a bunch if whiny babies…oh no, not more football, that would be terrible!
    Bring on the 18 game season!

  103. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 2:07 PM

    Personally, I think we’re seeing so much hatred towards Goodell for one reason: he’s invoked our names in order to push things on his agenda. We can all see the writing on the wall. They will expand to 18 games. It means more money, so they’ll do it.
    But what really gets under our skin is when he chalks it up to “fan appeasement”. It’s like Art Modell saying Baltimore residents wanted him to move the Colts. He’s unfairly putting his words in our mouths, and making himself out to be a saint by trying to please us.
    Now let’s make sure we all send the link to this story to the NFL: http://www.nfl.com/contact-us

  104. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 2:09 PM

    Dan Mateus says:
    August 6, 2010 1:58 PM
    And when NFL had 6 preseason games and only 14 regular season games many people said that would ruin the NFL.
    The sport is more popular than ever.
    And i suspect that if they go 18 it will be even better.
    All the chicken littles need to relax or just watch college football where champions are decided by sports writers.
    ——————
    How easy it is to denigrate the opinions of your opponents by making them out to be fans of other sports.
    Go ahead and think that over tonight while you’re watching the Ice Capades, OK Mildred?

  105. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 2:12 PM

    TNCM333 says:
    August 6, 2010 2:07 PM
    What a bunch if whiny babies…oh no, not more football, that would be terrible!
    Bring on the 18 game season!
    ——————-
    Wow. In three sentences you’ve addressed all the arguments made in this thread and put them to shame. You should be proud.
    You get a gold star and 5 more minutes of naptime. Now run along to recess and let the adults talk!

  106. Katmanduu says: Aug 6, 2010 2:15 PM

    Roger…..you tend to listen to the fans way too much.
    Leave the 16 game format alone. These greedy teams need to cut a break to season ticket holders for the preseason games. It takes this much time to get ready for the season and to get ample looks at the draft picks and free agents. Cutting it down to 2 preseason games takes that away.
    Use some common sense and stop listening to these moron fans who think they know it all.

  107. Patsfan1776 says: Aug 6, 2010 2:24 PM

    Adding 2 more games to the season will have extreme adverse affects as fans in Detroit, Cleveland, and Oakland will be forced to be miserable for 2 extra weeks. The cruelty. The horror.

  108. edgy says: Aug 6, 2010 2:30 PM

    golongboyee says:
    Secondly, these crippled players are compensated well and this is built into their compensation.
    ************************
    Man, you guys think that it’s the fishes and the loaves, don’t you? Chad Hennings went to court to get Workman’s Comp after he had exhausted his benefits from the NFL in only a few years because of all the money it cost to pay for his disability. Many of the guys that end up bankrupted after they’ve left football did so because of injury related expenses because they couldn’t afford to pick up the costs after these “generous” benefits have run out and the fact that they walk into an insurance office with a pre-existing condition. Yeah, it’s the fishes and the loaves.

  109. CKL says: Aug 6, 2010 2:31 PM

    ALSO…preseaon’s main function isn’t directly for us FANS anyway. It kills me when Goodell constantly says the “quality of football ” is poor in the preseason. Well no shit sherlock…that’s because it is for coaches to evaluate players and schemes. It ISN’T for there to be regular season quality performances by regular season starters. Ye gods. I happen to love preseason though because I watch it in that light. And as someone else pointed out reducing it to 2 games will lead to some HORRIFIC looking football probably for the first few weeks of the season. Yeah that’s good for the fans.(Insert eyeroll here).

  110. headrush4you says: Aug 6, 2010 2:32 PM

    Gooddell only is agreeing with the fans because:
    1) He want’s more regular season games=more money
    2) It make him look good because he’s “listening to the fans”
    You should be listening to the players, not the fans! Of course the fans want more games, they don’t break arms or tear ACL’s while watching the NFL (well for the most part). It’s the players who have to take the beating and grinding week in and week out, sacrificing there body for what is ultimately a bigger paycheck for Gooddell! I hate what the NFL is becoming, money hungry GM’s and players who flake after signing big contracts!

  111. Dobre Shunka says: Aug 6, 2010 2:33 PM

    I don’t understand, why are so many posters on this site against having the league play one game a year in London?

  112. TNCM333 says: Aug 6, 2010 2:46 PM

    Adam-Chris Schefterson says:
    Wow. In three sentences you’ve addressed all the arguments made in this thread and put them to shame. You should be proud.
    What arguments? The one that says there will be more meaningless games at seasons end? Not true, more teams will be in it longer.
    Injuries? Injuries happen when they happen. It’s not even something that you can look until guys start playing into that 6th month. A guy in here was talking about how people will react in week 6 when injuries pile up.
    Weaker teams have more shit games to wade through? Bring up some PS players, get more out of them there than in the pre season.
    Time for player development? How many guys can you name that were destined to be cut or sent to the practice squad that changed their coaches mind PS game 4? The coaches mostly know who can do what.
    Records being broken? Bring it on!
    Now, I’ll go have that nap. :)

  113. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 2:50 PM

    Dobre Shunka says:
    August 6, 2010 2:33 PM
    I don’t understand, why are so many posters on this site against having the league play one game a year in London?
    ——————
    Because it takes away home-field advantage from one team? Because it’s a disadvantage for two teams to have to travel that distance and play at odd hours? Because we simply don’t give a shit whether or not American football takes hold overseas? We like it here and that’s enough for us.

  114. Brandon says: Aug 6, 2010 2:56 PM

    I hate football… chess is a REAL sport!

  115. CapsLockKey says: Aug 6, 2010 2:57 PM

    As others have said, it’s the ticket prices and inclusion of those in season packages that fans have the most heartburn over. Nobody likes paying full price to see what’s basically a scrimmage and roster tryout.

  116. TNCM333 says: Aug 6, 2010 3:04 PM

    Adam-Chris Schefterson says:
    WAH!
    And says I need a nap.
    “Because it takes away home-field advantage from one team? Because it’s a disadvantage for two teams to have to travel that distance and play at odd hours? Because we simply don’t give a shit whether or not American football takes hold overseas? We like it here and that’s enough for us”.
    Whose battle are you fighting here? Have you really been affected one iota by this?

  117. carolinaviking says: Aug 6, 2010 3:43 PM

    if the nfl cared about its players,it should consider going to a 18 week season with a extra week off during the last part of the season,play 16 games in 18 weeks,too many players get permanent injuries playing this game not to consider the harm the players go through,have 2 preseason games then the 16 game season,it could be done .and change the ir rules to help injured players or raise the roster limits,

  118. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 3:51 PM

    TNCM333 says:
    August 6, 2010 3:04 PM
    Whose battle are you fighting here? Have you really been affected one iota by this?
    ———————-
    What’s your point? If you’d like to disagree with any of the three reasons I offered British guy, go right ahead. Otherwise, you’re overdue for that nap.

  119. Jeff says: Aug 6, 2010 4:02 PM

    Actually, I was hoping more for a 16 game pre-season, followed by a 4-game regular season.
    LOL at the earlier poster suggesting a 162 game season.
    Seriously, 16 regular games is perfect. Do not add more. I don’t care what happens to the pre-season, but I think 2-3 games is good.
    As someone earlier posted, having “Fans” say move 2 games from the pre-season to the regular season would be shooting themselves in the foot.
    Pre-season tickets should be not lumped into season tickets, but sold openly.

  120. pfft says: Aug 6, 2010 4:24 PM

    All the chicken littles need to relax or just watch college football where champions are decided by sports writers.
    Exactly I don’t watch collage football because the polls determine who even has a chance to become champion. Imagine if the power rankings in the pros determined who got to play in the super bowl that would be just palin stupid but that is what you are seeing in collage.
    Anyhow I know very few of the people in the draft and could careless if they make my team I want my team to play as many meaninful game as they can.
    And if you fans say you are just looking out for the health of the players you are full of shit. You only care about their health because they will not be apart of your team when they are palying meaningful game. Unless you are related to one of them you don’t give a shit if Troy Polamula dies when he is 49 or 89.

  121. edgy says: Aug 6, 2010 4:29 PM

    # Dobre Shunka says:
    I don’t understand, why are so many posters on this site against having the league play one game a year in London?
    *************************
    When the British (or Canadians, for that matter) pay to build ONE NFL stadium in the US then they can have a game.

  122. edgy says: Aug 6, 2010 4:48 PM

    TNCM333 says: August 6, 2010 2:46 PM
    Not true, more teams will be in it longer.
    *********************
    1. AT most, maybe 1 team in each conference will be in it longer. By the time that the last two weeks come around, NOW, most of the teams that are out of it, are out of it significant enough that two more weeks won’t mean diddly.
    2. What’s the point of having the games then? Seriously, people don’t want to pay full price for preseason games because they get guys who will be bagging groceries at the end of the preseason and now, you expect them to be happy that they’re getting the same quality of play but NOW, it affects their team’s standings?
    3. By the time that the last preseason game is played, the roster is fixed and the coaches do those players that are in the game a favor by showcasing their talents for teams that might have a need for them. By the middle of the third quarter, you’ll start seeing guys who only played on special teams in the first three games and will be most likely bagging groceries the next week.

  123. Bob S. says: Aug 6, 2010 5:13 PM

    Complete Fan
    The CFL has had 2 preseason games and 18 regular season games for years now. They haven’t had a major problem with extra injuries and they only have a roster size arround 42 players.

    True, but CFL starts their camps about 2 weeks before the first of those 2 exhibition games and has no mini-camps either- both of these contribute to NFL injuries.

  124. Bob S. says: Aug 6, 2010 5:17 PM

    Dan Mateus
    And when NFL had 6 preseason games and only 14 regular season games many people said that would ruin the NFL

    Yes, but NFL played many of those exhibition games in cities across America and even Canada. And they didn’t force their season ticket holders to pay the SAME exhibition game ticket price as for regular season games for the games they did play at home.

  125. golongboyee says: Aug 6, 2010 5:49 PM

    edgy – you are a total moron!!!!!!!!!!

  126. golongboyee says: Aug 6, 2010 5:55 PM

    Indyeagle – if you weren’t such a moron, I might rebuff your middle school arguing style……
    First of all, just because the majority in HERE might think something, doesn’t mean it should be so. There are probably more idiots in here than the general populace….nobody I know likes the system the way it is……PERIOD.
    2) You dont argue a point by grasping at the ridiculous…….Gee, if i eat 2 eggs today….what am I going to do in 40 years…..eat 1000 eggs…….LOL…….you are a tool
    It doesn’t surprise me you are seemingly from Indy! LMAO

  127. edgy says: Aug 6, 2010 6:45 PM

    # golongboyee says:
    edgy – you are a total moron!!!!!!!!!!
    **********************
    Ok, genius, show how much you know by telling everyone here how much the NFL pays the crippled players. Put up or shut up.

  128. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 6, 2010 6:53 PM

    golongboyee says:
    August 6, 2010 5:49 PM
    edgy – you are a total moron!!!!!!!!!!
    ———
    golongboyee says:
    August 6, 2010 5:55 PM
    Indyeagle – if you weren’t such a moron, I might rebuff your middle school arguing style……
    ———-
    http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/677709/80631334.jpg

  129. jibfest says: Aug 6, 2010 10:09 PM

    As much as I love football, I think the preseason games are important. A hardcore football fan watches preseason. Lastly I think it is a bad thing for borderline NFL players. Players will have two less games to prove themself.

  130. stanjam says: Aug 7, 2010 1:39 AM

    Goodell just doesn’t listen, and he listens selectively to fans. We do not like the long preseason, especially since injuries during these meaningless games can be devastating to the team. We also do not see much sense in having an 18 game season, and understand that this also puts teams and players at risk. We like the 16 game season, and do not want to see Goodell mucking around with what works just to try and pull a few more dollars from fans that are already bled dry.
    Speaking of which, if he truly listened to fans, he would be doing everything he could to get the CBA done, so we can get back to football instead of worrying about a lockout! The true losers in this whole thing are the fans if a lockout does happen. We are screaming for the league and the players to get in there and actually try to get something done. If Goodell honestly gave a crap about fans instead of money, he would be doing something about it. We aren’t stupid Goodell, and we don’t buy your line of bull about wanting what is best for the fans. We know that you and the players association both can not see beyond the dollar signs.
    Honestly care about the fans? Tell you what, prove it. Involve us in the negotiations. Give us the power to get a deal done, and I bet you we will have one done. One that makes sense and is as fair as possible to all sides, including the fans, who have zero representation in the process right now, even though it is our money you are after.

  131. golongboyee says: Aug 7, 2010 2:00 PM

    jibfest = moron!

  132. golongboyee says: Aug 7, 2010 2:02 PM

    edgy – you are the idiot that made the moronic comment, it is up to YOU to prove your point. Of course, you dont get that EITHER!
    ..and thanks for continuingto prove the argument that the overall IQ of pft posters is extremely low!

  133. Favre'sDirtyWranglers says: Aug 7, 2010 2:04 PM

    If they dont do away with Preseason games then few things need to happen. 1. Cut my ticket prices for those 4 games in half. 2. Cut beer prices in half. 3. Cut the players pay in half.

  134. edgy says: Aug 7, 2010 2:50 PM

    golongboyee says: August 7, 2010 2:02 PM
    edgy – you are the idiot that made the moronic comment, it is up to YOU to prove your point. Of course, you dont get that EITHER!
    ******************
    Ok, here we go. Another ignorant fool ranting on about how the players have got it made but he won’t prove that he has no idea about how much F&L that the players get because he’s either too stupid or too ignorant.
    FYI, you retard, NFL players can get $325,000 for 2010 and 2011 and $350,000 for 2012. If you think that’s going to go a long ways for guys that have been severely injured, you’re frigging stupid.
    The owners have worked hard to get workman’s comp laws in their states to deny coverage or cap coverage. Chad Hennings, when he retired, got $225,000 but that ran out quickly and he sued to try to get WC and the lovely, caring and cuddly, wuddly, Jerry Jones fought him tooth and nail for 7 years until Texas’ 10th Court of Appeals finally gave him benefits (BTW, Jerry loves to go after former Cowboys, even going so far to fight a Cowboy that played before he bought the team over the fact that he needed money for artificial hip replacement).
    Oh and because this is an uncapped year, the teams are saving about $10+ mil each in benefits that they won’t be paying for the players this year — HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

  135. bcb171 says: Aug 7, 2010 5:51 PM

    lol these comments on this site are way to heavily monitored for my liking no thanks PFT youre full of it

  136. cusoman says: Aug 7, 2010 5:54 PM

    Then why are you trying to charge us to watch Preseason games online?

  137. golongboyee says: Aug 7, 2010 11:15 PM

    Edgy –
    1) First of all, why dont you go ask how many people in the us would love to be injured to make $350K. It would be a lot. This doesn’t even consider the lofty pensions they receive at retirement. You keep talking about all these “severely injured” players out there. Sorry, that is just not the case. And, by your comments, you obviously have no idea or clue how the NFL retired player programs work.
    2) Hate to break the news to you, players are replaceable….and you can find horror stories about EVERY profession. Doesn’t mean it is a frequent and recurring problem. Do you expect these players to get the world. Give me a break.
    You are as clueless as you are flat out dumb!

  138. edgy says: Aug 8, 2010 11:22 AM

    golongboyee says: August 7, 2010 11:15 PM
    Edgy –
    1) First of all, why dont you go ask how many people in the us would love to be injured to make $350K. It would be a lot. This doesn’t even consider the lofty pensions they receive at retirement.
    ********************************
    More fishes and loaves talk. Buckwheat, they are DAMAGED GOODS and they can’t get many of the things that you can, like long term disability insurance because they go in with a pre-existing condition.
    Now, as for the $350k, first, that’s in 2012 but that’s SIGNIFICANTLY less than the maximum lifetime benefits that most people get with their health insurance or did you not know that? Don’t say that it isn’t because I’ve never had a policy that’s been less than $4 million. In Hennings’ case, it was $225,000 and his fusion surgery and rehab ate that up.
    Boobarella, they have to be VESTED into a pension plan and their retirement pay depends on how long they play and it doesn’t kick in after they retire from the game but 55 and the payments get bigger like they do with Social Security if they hold off taking retirement right away. There IS an early retirement age BUT it’s only available to those whose careers started before 1993. A player that takes early retirement at age 45, for example, only gets 45% of his normal retirement AND his retirement package also depends on when he played. For example, if you played from 1983 to 1986 and took your retirement at age 45, you’d get $461.04 a month or $5532.48 a year while if you played from 1992-1995, you’d get $497.20 or $5966.40. Does this seem like the fishes and the loaves to you?
    The average career is 3 1/2 years, which means that most don’t get the fishes and loaves because it takes 4 years of CREDITED service to be vested. Oh gee, you continue to look like an ignorant stooge.
    In 2006, Todd Christensen points out that most of you F&L crowd seem to think that their pension is as good as MLB. A 10-year MLB player who takes his pension at age 62, would get $175,000 while that same person would get $32,000 for playing in the NFL.
    Have you even read the CBA, dipshit? Did you know that while they’re paying for the retirees so they won’t lose the PR wars, they are NOT paying for any benefits for active players this year? No pension, no 401k contributions and they’ve saved more than $10 million per team AND they could lower ticket prices for all the money that they’ve saved by not bidding up salaries and not paying for benefits BUT THEY DIDN’T.

  139. golongboyee says: Aug 8, 2010 2:39 PM

    Edgy – if you would actual try and converse like a human being and stop using your ridiculous slang!……your points might make more sense.
    1) You obviouslyknow nothing about insurance because your accusations are totally false. Pre-existing conditions apply to HEALTH insurance, NOT disability idiot.
    2) I am aware of how the NFL pension plan works moron……but, one could say that it is ridiculous anyway that an individual making $1M a year or more should get a % of that as a pension. Bottom line, they shouldn’t, These arent electricians we are talking about….and rock stars do not have union or a pension. There is a thing called SAVING your money. And if you are making big bucks and your future health is at stake, one should SAVE their earnings based on this fact. THAT is the way it should work.
    3) In every system there is probably somebody who is going to get screwed..it happens.
    4) It is ridiculous that ANY sports have pensions. Absurd. SAVE YOUR MONEY, ACT LIKE YOU ARE MAKING $100K like even the most blessed of NORMAL society. These athletes are prima donna cry-babies who expect to be pampered their entire life They need to get a grip and get real. Playing in the nFL is a fantasy land and they need to treat it as such. Do we want to argue what the ARENA league players get???????

  140. golongboyee says: Aug 8, 2010 2:44 PM

    Edgy – oh, and another point. The owners are that ones that SHOULD make a lot of money. It is their business and it was their financing that got things to where they are today. They took the risks and now, some second string CB out of Tulsa expects to come in and make bank because what the team might make. RIDICULOUS. People go to see movies (in a large percentage) to whom is IN the movie………Tom Cruise can argue his value, players, in the majority cannot.
    If a team goes undefeated, do you think people are NOT going to show up becasue it might have zero stars…….NEVER. If Peyton Manning had no team around him and the Colts were 0-16, would fans show up????NO

  141. edgy says: Aug 8, 2010 3:52 PM

    golongboyee says:
    Edgy – if you would actual try and converse like a human being and stop using your ridiculous slang!……your points might make more sense.
    ***********************
    WRONG but thanks for playing our game. I tell you what, you can continue to live your life of fantasy here and tell everyone how YOU know how life works when anyone that’s got half a brain knows that you don’t have a clue.
    Oh and you’re just plain stupid to say crap like that. Are you saying that the CEO or a company the NFL owners and coaches shouldn’t be part of pension plans just because they’re making so much more money than you? How about congressmen and actors and others who make more than you? You’re just plain stupid to even say that. MOST of the players DON’T make $1 mil and MOST of them NEVER get an NFL pension – PERIOD. Most NFL players will either collect Social Security OR they will collect what ever they get for the retirement plans that they get where they work after the NFL.
    Finally, WITHOUT those players, the owners wouldn’t have jack. Jerry Jones thinks he’s a marketing genius but he was a TOTAL failure with the AFL and he was THE WORST owner in the league. He got a ton of things for the Cowboys because they’re “the Cowboys” but his Desperadoes team was the joke of the “NFL” AFL franchises. Why is the “marketing genius” such a failure in the AFL — he didn’t have the Dallas Cowboys playing for him. What risk did Jones take? He bought a team with a high value for less than market value because the previous owner wanted out. His deal for Cowboys Stadium was financed by the city of Arlington, the NFL and FANS and he made $200+ mil to boot on his PSL and the previous stadium was built 18 years before he even bought the team. He and the other owners suckle from a $3 bil TV teat that is attractive because of the PLAYERS and NOT the owners. He gets revenue from licensing because of the PLAYERS and NOT the owners. He gets ticket revenue because of the PLAYERS and not the owners. You don’t think that the players don’t meaning anything? Ask every season ticket owner who is forced to pay for exhibition games that feature guys who will be bagging groceries at the end of the preseason whether they’d bitch as much if they were watching the REAL players for 4 quarters and I think that you’d that they would because they feel cheated about paying for less than NFL talent NOW. Face it, preseason games feature ALL the NFL TEAMS but the stands are usually empty by the middle of the third quarter when the grocery baggers are playing. You’d think that if the players didn’t matter that the fans would stick around longer.

  142. edgy says: Aug 8, 2010 4:08 PM

    One last thing, genius, LTD polices HAVE pre-existing condition exclusionary periods BUT there are insurance companies out there that will deny coverage for any number of reasons (This is also used against other people as well) and it doesn’t matter how long their “exclusionary” period is and in some cases, the “disability” that lets them deny them coverage has nothing to do with the actual disability (For example, battered women come pre-packaged as a pre-existing condition and they’ve used that as an excuse to deny coverage).

  143. edgy says: Aug 8, 2010 5:15 PM

    I meant “wouldn’t” when I was talking about whether they’d bitch as much.

  144. Adam-Chris Schefterson says: Aug 8, 2010 5:50 PM

    golongboyee says:
    August 8, 2010 2:44 PM
    Edgy – oh, and another point. The owners are that ones that SHOULD make a lot of money. It is their business and it was their financing that got things to where they are today. They took the risks and now, some second string CB out of Tulsa expects to come in and make bank because what the team might make. RIDICULOUS. People go to see movies (in a large percentage) to whom is IN the movie………Tom Cruise can argue his value, players, in the majority cannot.
    If a team goes undefeated, do you think people are NOT going to show up becasue it might have zero stars…….NEVER. If Peyton Manning had no team around him and the Colts were 0-16, would fans show up????NO
    —————
    And in that same vein, if Tom Cruise makes an absolute dud of a movie are you arguing people will go see it anyway? Generally speaking, people will not pay $9 to see a flaming piece of trash from a star actor. So I fail to see your “point”. And I really have no idea what you were trying to prove in the first place.

  145. jibfest says: Aug 8, 2010 10:02 PM

    golongboyee says:
    August 7, 2010 2:00 PM
    jibfest = moron!
    –Hmm, nobody else seems to agree. Go real long, keep going, keeeep going……..

  146. golongboyee says: Aug 8, 2010 10:06 PM

    Adam-Chris Schefterson – you fail to see the point because you are absolute moron. Yes, many people will go see a movie w/Cruise even if it is a dud, mainy because many will:
    1) go see it even if they know it is a dud becasue they would see ANYTHING with him in it.
    2) go see it even if it labelled a dud by reviewers because reviewers dont always have it right.
    So, your point about people not seeing is moronic, yes many may NOT go see if they hear it is a dud but more will STILL go see it if Cruise is in it.
    Sorry if you are too stupid to comprehend this!!!

  147. golongboyee says: Aug 8, 2010 10:11 PM

    Edge – you are a flat out moron….all players are replaceable. If you dont think so, you are a fool. Also, disability refers to compensating someone for NOT being able to complete their job activities becasue of the injury. If an NFL player is injured on the job, so be it. Yes, he should receive SOME compensation. But, given the average length of a career, he shouldn’t be paid for 20 years. Again, these arent electricians, these are highly paid athletes…….live by the sword, die by the sword. If they dont agree with the system, go get a job as an insurance salesman like the rest of us. Nobody is FORCING them to play!

  148. golongboyee says: Aug 8, 2010 10:14 PM

    jibfest – hmm….that is a great thing…..most in here ARE idiots. Thanks for pointing that out!

  149. golongboyee says: Aug 8, 2010 10:17 PM

    Edge – and to follow-up, of course you miss the point……..CEOs of companies and owners of businesses are 2 entirely different things……..if you cannot see why, well..it doesnt surprise me. CEOs are more like the QB of a football, and yes, both are replaceable.

  150. golongboyee says: Aug 8, 2010 10:19 PM

    Most NFL players will either collect Social Security OR they will collect what ever they get for the retirement plans that they get where they work after the NFL.
    that is correct, as it SHOULD be!!!!!!!

  151. golongboyee says: Aug 8, 2010 10:24 PM

    “What risk did Jones take? He bought a team with a high value for less than market value because the previous owner wanted out.”
    ..are you kidding me, are you really this stupid? Anyone that purchases ANY business for the price he paid is taking a risk, even if it is a “lower risk” proposition like owning an NFL team.
    He could have purchased it, highered a terrible coach and GM who drove the team into the ground for years and decreased the value of the franchise……….if you cannot see this you know NOTHING about business!

  152. edgy says: Aug 8, 2010 11:30 PM

    golongboyee says:
    ****************
    You’ve proven two things, here: you can call everyone a moron and you won’t provide evidence of your points.
    1. You say that players get all kind of money for pensions when MOST don’t even collect a pension.
    2. You say that they have generous injury coverage when they don’t.
    3. You say that pre-existing conditions apply to health insurance, not disability but you’re wrong there as well.
    4. You say that the players don’t matter when you’re an IDIOT to say that. Seriously, of all the things that you’ve said, this is CLEARLY the stupidest thing that you’ve said.
    5. You talk about owner risk when they don’t take it. They risked MORE in the businesses that got them the money to buy an NFL franchise. If you think that they take risk then you’re an idiot. What business starts with 80-90% of their employees’ salary paid before their fiscal year even starts?
    Finally, you’ve called everyone here morons but it seems that the only moron here is YOU. You haven’t produced ONE REAL FACT and when I’ve pressed you for actual numbers, you’ve said that I have to produce them and when I have, all you can do is call me a moron. You’ve produced NO tangible numbers because you’re TOO STUPID to actually look them up. As I said before, I doubt that you’ve EVER looked at the CBA. Hell, I doubt that you’ve ever looked at the players’ retirement package to know a damn thing about what you’re talking about. All you can do is go on and on and on and on about the players without producing ONE FACT. I wouldn’t be surprised to see you call every person here a moron because you’ve done that with everyone here in this ONE topic.
    Your contention about all players being replaceable is the SINGLE STUPIDEST statement that I’ve ever seen: here or anywhere else. If you think that Peyton Manning is replaceable then you’re too stupid for words. Ask the fans of the Colts if they can just plug in any of their backups and replace Manning. Ask any of the fans of the NFL if they can pull some practice squad player and put him into the starting lineup and expect him to do as well as the starter or do you not understand the concept of a practice squad.
    Finally, Adam-Chris Schefterson said NOTHING to you that should have elicited a response for you to call him a moron. You got pissed at me and complained about what I said to you but then you turn around and without provocation, call him a moron. Hell, you called ME a moron for making a statement that wasn’t even provocative and then you got pissed at me for responding to you negatively when you’re the one that started all this shit. Why don’t you look at the fact that you’ve called EVERYONE a moron and then started using the word individually and then turned around and cried when others took umbrage for your insults – HYPOCRITE.

  153. golongboyee says: Aug 9, 2010 12:17 AM

    Edgy, these 5 “points” of yours prove you either cannot read or you are functionally illiterate:
    1. You say that players get all kind of money for pensions when MOST don’t even collect a pension. – I never said they get “all kinds of money” and I never elluded to the number of players that DO collect a pension
    2. You say that they have generous injury coverage when they don’t. – I never said this either.
    3. You say that pre-existing conditions apply to health insurance, not disability but you’re wrong there as well. – no, I am NOT wrong, especially in context.
    4. You say that the players don’t matter when you’re an IDIOT to say that. Seriously, of all the things that you’ve said, this is CLEARLY the stupidest thing that you’ve said. – Of course you are too stupid to understand the context in which this comment was intended. I never said nor inferred that a scrub QB could replace Manning, to the fans or to the performance of the team. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE IDIOT. I meant this from a perspective of earnings and fan support. If Manning was taken out of the lineup today and replaced with Joe Schmo and the team continued to win. Than, NO, it would not make a difference. Even if the QB wasnt as good, even if he handed the ball off EVERY TIME to some great new RB they might have gotten, fans would still pack the stadium because they would still be winning. From this perspective moron, Manning is replaceable. Sorry, EVERY player IS replaceable from this standpoint………..PERIOD.
    5. You talk about owner risk when they don’t take it. They risked MORE in the businesses that got them the money to buy an NFL franchise. If you think that they take risk then you’re an idiot. What business starts with 80-90% of their employees’ salary paid before their fiscal year even starts? – doesnt matter if this is the case or not…….there are OTHER risks and every owner is taking a risk.especially when you consider opportunity costs….(i.e. the lost opportunity of an investment made one place which COULD have been made somewhere else) Whether you refuse to believe it or not……..THERE ARE RISKS…..IN ANY BUSINESS…I DONT CARE WHAT BUSINESS THAT IS….IDIOT
    But thanks for these five points. They clearly prove you are either a fifth grader, a barely functional retard, or a loser nobody stuck in the basement of your mother’s home. Either way you have no idea what you are talking about on ANY of these points and worst than that, you have no ability to create rational thought nor provide a cohesive thought to any of your arguements………..LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

  154. golongboyee says: Aug 9, 2010 12:26 AM

    ..and finally, yes, I called a number of you in here morons…….which about fits the average for society…..which unfortunately shows that most are idiots (sad but true)……..well, no different in PFT (unfortunately)

  155. edgy says: Aug 9, 2010 11:10 AM

    golongboyee says:
    Edgy, these 5 “points” of yours prove you either cannot read or you are functionally illiterate:
    *****************************
    Wow, it’s like watching the Glenn Beck show when he denies that he ever says something after he says it and they’ve just shown him 5 different videos showing that he said it.
    1 I never said they get “all kinds of money” and I never elluded to the number of players that DO collect a pension
    golongboyee: First of all, why dont you go ask how many people in the us would love to be injured to make $350K. It would be a lot. This doesn’t even consider the lofty pensions they receive at retirement
    Do you deny saying that/ It’s also the height of stupidity to say that most people would love to be injured to make $350k. You know what, in order to collect that money, you’ve got to be DISABLED not just injured and if you think $350k would pay for all the pain and suffering, especially when it would ALL go to pay hospital bills, you’re – wait for it – MORON.
    2 I never said this either. See above.
    3 no, I am NOT wrong, especially in context.
    Context? You’re wrong – PERIOD. There are PRE-EXISTING condition exclusions for long term disability, whether you want to admit that or not. You’re just plain WRONG.
    4 Of course you are too stupid to understand the context in which this comment was intended
    You’re a fool. Why do you think that owners make season ticket owners foot the bill for preseason, moron? It’s because if they didn’t do it, they wouldn’t get half the crowd or get a third of the money if they let fans go to whatever games they want during the preseason. Preseason ratings are down significantly from the regular season because fans aren’t buying into hype.
    5 doesnt matter if this is the case or not…….there are OTHER risks and every owner is taking a risk.especially when you consider opportunity costs
    Guffaw! They get others to build their stadiums and when “they” pay, it’s usually though a PSL, which means that others are paying for the stadium and while the team gets the juicy dates and can hold non-football related events (and don’t have to share the revenue with the players and the owners), it’s the city that built the stadium that ends up having to maintain it and foot the bills and they usually don’t get much from the team. You’re totally ignorant of the “risks” and if you think that they risk anything, you’re a fool.
    Not ONCE have you stated a fact or put out a figure. All you’ve done is say “I’m right and you’re wrong” and then call everyone a moron and say that we’ve got it wrong. You are pathetic. Go away, little boy, you bother me….

  156. golongboyee says: Aug 9, 2010 3:11 PM

    Edgy – the sad part is, from one e-mail to another, you totally lose track of what you are arguing…because you are a total buffoon. There is no point trying to rationally argue with a buffoon….sorry…..
    Two facts
    1)What does preseason have to do with my statement that any player is replaceable…..you spewing non-relevant facts is NOT arguing a point. People dont go to pre-season games because they DONT COUNT – NOT because the players arent playing. But, even if you were right on this……it doesnt matter, you miss the point entirely.
    2)Just ask the MLB owners how owning a professionally franchise is a RISK!!!! LOL
    You submissions and conjectures are laughable……you have very little with your points but your ignorance IS entertaining…..Thank you!

  157. edgy says: Aug 9, 2010 4:20 PM

    # golongboyee says: August 9, 2010 3:11 PM
    Edgy – the sad part is, from one e-mail to another,
    ***********
    Again, saying it’s so, doesn’t make it so. First off, this is NOT email so saying that it is, doesn’t make it so and …..
    1. Jesus, you are a toad. Hell, in 1987, the replacement games DID count but fans didn’t show up, except in a few games and TV ratings were down significantly. The QUALITY of the players is what the fans look at NOT that they play in the NFL. Fans show up at preseason games that feature REAL players but they then leave in droves when the grocery baggers hit the field.
    2. Really? Are we talking MLB or the NFL? Hell, if you’re going to go there then why not talk about the Arena League, toad. NO professional league in this country has as few risks as the NFL.

  158. PatricktheDookie says: Aug 9, 2010 6:15 PM

    The season is long enough, as-is.
    Goodell, stop ignoring the fans.

  159. thirdandgoal says: Aug 9, 2010 7:03 PM

    Rodger Goodell: Fans have made it clear, they don’t like me.

  160. edgy says: Aug 10, 2010 12:34 AM

    golongboyee says:
    *******************
    It’s like watch Glenn Beck’s retarded brother. This is my last message to you in here, Forrest Putz.

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