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Leslie Frazier thinks he was a token interview in Seattle

In January, the Seahawks abruptly fired coach Jim Mora, after the team secretly had interviewed USC coach Pete Carroll.  Before hiring Carroll, the Seahawks were compelled to interview a minority candidate, in light of the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

And so they interviewed Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier.  Though many (us included) believed the session to be a sham, the Fritz Pollard Alliance endorsed the process, which reportedly included an attempt to lure former Bucs and Colts coach Tony Dungy out of a one-year retirement to serve as team president.

Speaking about the interview for the first time, Frazier said money that he had concerns about the process in Seattle.  That said, he didn’t specifically say “Seattle,” but it’s pretty clear given the circumstances that he was referring to the Seahawks’ effort to shoehorn an oh-by-the-way minority interview into the train that was carrying Carroll up the Pacific Coast.

Indeed, Frazier’s comments prompted the following headline in the St. Paul Pioneer Press:  “Minnesota Vikings’ Leslie Frazier stings after being token black interview for Seahawks.”

“With those interviews that I
was in back in January, I went into them with the best intentions, based
on advice I got from key people, and just tried to approach it the
right way,” Frazier said, according to John Shipley of the Pioneer Press.  “Now, I can’t answer for ownership, you know, what
they were looking for and what they wanted out of the interviews.  But I
went
into it believing each one would be a legitimate interview.”

And so he was asked whether the interviews were indeed legitimate.

“Um, I don’t want to say which team, but one of them I was a
little concerned about, and we went right down to the wire about whether
I should even do the interview,” Frazier said.  “On one of them, I left just
wondering.”

That said, Frazier knew or should have known before agreeing to be interviewed that the Seahawks already had locked onto Carroll; indeed, all Frazier had to do was turn on ESPN (or type our address into his browser).  So, if anything, the interview merely confirmed what a reasonable person should have realized before sitting for the interview.

Our guess is that Frazier knew damn well he wasn’t getting the job, and that he eventually agreed to sit for the interview because he concluded that “playing along” with one of the branches of a 32-unit company will help him get the top job with one of the other 31 branches, eventually. 

If that’s the case, “playing along” also includes not throwing stones after the fact.

Really, what good comes out of this for Frazier?  Whether a candidate is black, white, red, brown, purple, or yellow, the ability to exercise discretion represents one of the key traits of any NFL head coach.  In the eyes of more than a few owners, Frazier’s comments from Monday could do more damage to his prospects for landing a head-coaching job than a complete and total 500-plus-points-allowed performance in 2010.

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  1. texasPHINSfan says: Aug 10, 2010 11:28 AM

    Agreed, Florio.
    Either play ball or don’t. But don’t act like you’re playing ball, only to cry foul later. Frazier just shot himself in the foot.

  2. seals says: Aug 10, 2010 11:32 AM

    Vikings = Dungy, Dennis Green, Tomlin, Frazier
    Frazier will get his job soon and the Vikings will spring board him this year with a huge Defensive year. He deserves it.

  3. Pack_Attack says: Aug 10, 2010 11:32 AM

    How’s that post racial presidency workin’ for everyone? Jesus H. everything is racial these days. Enough already.

  4. azredbird4 says: Aug 10, 2010 11:33 AM

    flo…take your affirmative action and shove it…the owner has the right and duty who he/she sees fit that will give his/her team the best chance to win

  5. fleet10 says: Aug 10, 2010 11:34 AM

    uh, how bout ridding the league of the racist Rooney Rule…………….and you won’t have this problem.

  6. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 10, 2010 11:35 AM

    what florio is basically saying if you read between the lines is that everybody in wi is morbidly obese and ted thompson is a gay vampire.

  7. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Aug 10, 2010 11:36 AM

    He probably was. The Rooney Rule is a joke. NFL owners will hire who they want.

  8. wsb123 says: Aug 10, 2010 11:36 AM

    Hey Leslie, we have ALL been token interviews at one time or another. Man-up and move on

  9. Paracelsus says: Aug 10, 2010 11:40 AM

    I suppose Rosa Parks’ future bus riding priveleges were at risk, too. Hardly the same scope here, but not everyone sits quietly in hopes of a raise.

  10. ceetown22 says: Aug 10, 2010 11:40 AM

    Took him this long to figure it out…. maybe that’s why he’s not a HC…. I knew it when they announced he was interviewing…
    HAIL SKINS!

  11. Bun McSticky says: Aug 10, 2010 11:42 AM

    Let’s see you go thru this sham of an interview process and see how you feel about it. Let’s see you keep the frustration down constantly. So easy to judge if you aren’t wearing the mocassins.

  12. merrillhodgestoupee says: Aug 10, 2010 11:42 AM

    Come on Doc….yes you were the “token” interview but you wouldn’t want that job anyway.
    Stay with the Vikes…ride your top 5 defense and get yourself a good job like the Jags or Bears….
    Think about it Doc. Bear fans love you!

  13. TheToolofTools says: Aug 10, 2010 11:42 AM

    yes, he was a token interview.
    that whole rooney rule is a joke and an insult to blacks.
    mike tomlin isn’t going anywhere.
    skin color is a joke in pro ball. it just jerks people around.
    an NFL team would hire a taliban member as a head coach if he produced wins !

  14. thetechnocrat says: Aug 10, 2010 11:45 AM

    That’s what you get when letting a senile old man make your stupid rules. He’d rather have a white rapist on his team than a black pothead. Go figure.
    That rule is racist, since teams are only required to interview one type of minority instead of every minority. No business should ever be forced to interview or hire anyone they’re not interested in period.

  15. koch23jk says: Aug 10, 2010 11:46 AM

    Yes, that rule is a joke. Teams are going to find a way around if and hire who they want anyway.

  16. fleet10 says: Aug 10, 2010 11:47 AM

    azredbird4 says:
    August 10, 2010 11:33 AM
    flo…take your affirmative action and shove it…the owner has the right and duty who he/she sees fit that will give his/her team the best chance to win
    Absolutely right. And Jesse Jackson has nothing to say when that “best chance to win” consists of a league that’s…………
    •Black: 66%
    •White: 31%
    •Asian: 2%
    •Hispanic: 1%
    I don’t see the league forcing teams to try-out white, Asian, and Hispanic cornerbacks and running backs every year, for the sake of trying to apply the impression of impartiality.
    Further, if I were an African-American with Head Coaching potential, I’d be thoroughly insulted by such a rule. I would hope that any interview, or subsequent hiring I received would be based on potential, and merit, and NOT the application of this ridiculous “rule”.

  17. ipeefreely says: Aug 10, 2010 11:48 AM

    fleet10 is exactly right.
    This is a product of the rule, plain and simple.
    A team should be allowed to interview the best qualified candidates they desire, regardless of color or ethnicity.
    This stupid rule is an oxymoron in that it creates racism!
    Maybe they should go all out and do the same for white players! No team may draft a black player at any position before considering a white player. After all, whites are minority in the NFLPA. Boom. But there will never be a rule for that.

  18. Tenebrous says: Aug 10, 2010 11:48 AM

    Typical liberal (il)logic at work. This is a foolish practice that has outlived its usefulness. Let teams hire who they want to hire – if they do not hire the best, because of skin color, they will not win in the end and winning is the name of the game.
    However, to your point – I agree, Mr. Frazier did himself a disservice – but, the bigger disservice is the so-called Rooney Rule which put the Seahawks and Frazier in this situation.

  19. CarlHess1 says: Aug 10, 2010 11:49 AM

    I always see uproar over the amount or lack thereof African American Coaches and QB’s?
    Why is there no black catchers in baseball? Not one. Are they not smart enough to call the game? Or not tough enough to take the foul tips? Im not sure but id like this to be brought to someones attention immediately.

  20. pantherstugie says: Aug 10, 2010 11:49 AM

    This is what happens when you force private businesses, through intimidation and fear, to consider a person based on their skin color and not skill.

  21. Martin Keamy says: Aug 10, 2010 11:49 AM

    @ azredbird4 way to show your true colors: rebel red and succession blue.
    And your idiocy is unbecoming of such a gentleman.
    It’s not Flo’s affirmative action…it’s the NFL’s and he simply supports it. But Florio definitely is not the one making the teams in the NFL interview at least one african american person. That would be the NFL doing that.
    And you can say anything you want back but the argument i’m making is that it’s not Florio’s choice…it’s the NFL’s. End of conversation.

  22. Oz Eagle says: Aug 10, 2010 11:50 AM

    Pete Carroll is a crappy head coach. He couldn’t win in the NFL before, and he only won at USC by cheating.
    Leslie Frazier will be a good head coach someday soon and Paul Allen will be wishing he had a decent guy running his team, not a two faced coward like Carroll who will jump ship when the going gets tough.

  23. whutevaman says: Aug 10, 2010 11:57 AM

    The Rooney rule is racist now? White people have it so hard. I feel sooo sorry for you.

  24. KD says: Aug 10, 2010 11:59 AM

    Bottom line is that interview experience at that level is valuable. Nobody nails their first ever job interview with a billionaire owner.
    His next opportunity, he’ll be better. And maybe he impressed one of the men in the room who will end up at a new team and hire him.
    Hell, I’ll take a free trip to Seattle.

  25. joelvis72 says: Aug 10, 2010 11:59 AM

    I think the Rooney Rule proved its purpose in the 2006 Super Bowl (Dungy vs Smith), and should be discarded. I bet Frazier gets a head coaching job and sucks a$$ like 8 out of 10 coaches in the NFL, black OR white.

  26. GB3Pack4 says: Aug 10, 2010 12:00 PM

    I don’t think this is the first time he’s spoken about it. It came out not too long afterward, I think on the radio – KFAN?

  27. Kryten says: Aug 10, 2010 12:00 PM

    Of course he was a token. That’s the definition. If the rule is you must interview one minority candidate, then that person will be a token.
    But he misses the point of the interview, as do most others. The intent of the rules is to give minority candidates the EXPERIENCE of going through the interview process. That’s why the committee gave their approval– because he got the interview experience.

  28. SpartaChris says: Aug 10, 2010 12:01 PM

    Our guess is that Frazier knew damn well he wasn’t getting the job, and that he eventually agreed to sit for the interview because he concluded that “playing along” with one of the branches of a 32-unit company will help him get the top job with one of the other 31 branches, eventually.
    =================================
    Yeah, I think he kinda screwed that one up.
    Principles only matter if you stick to them when they’re inconvenient. If you know it’s going to be a sham interview, either play along or don’t, but don’t bitch about it later.

  29. BigMikeSkinsFan says: Aug 10, 2010 12:02 PM

    just because you werent good enough or as flashy as carroll stop trying to pull the race card.
    step your game up, man up, coach up and get yourself a job. this card is getting old and tiresome.

  30. aec4 says: Aug 10, 2010 12:02 PM

    Leslie, you’re a little slow to the party if you just figured that out.

  31. phildo says: Aug 10, 2010 12:03 PM

    Not the Seahawks fault, they had to interview someone

  32. JimmySmith says: Aug 10, 2010 12:04 PM

    Maybe the Seahawks wanted to talk to Frazier in the off chance that they make it to the NFC title game in OT, then they want to know what Frazier did so they can avoid the same result.

  33. jram says: Aug 10, 2010 12:04 PM

    I agree fleet10, owners always have someone in mind for their next head coach and if he happens to be white then you are going to have toke interviews because of the dumb rule.

  34. Ty Redofbuck says: Aug 10, 2010 12:05 PM

    So coach Frazier has decided that the Seattle Seahawks interviewed him just to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
    This is the question that I have for you coach Frazier. Why you?
    If they weren’t interested at all in what you had to say, why wouldn’t they interview Romeo Crennell, Dennis Green, Winston Moss or any of the other hundred african american coaches in football?
    Looks like somebody is pretty high on themselves.
    Oh, and if you give me the Williams wall, Jared Allen, Ray Edwards, Chad Greenway, Ben Leber and E.J. Henderson, I could piece together a nice defense too. Perhaps your credentials aren’t what they seem.

  35. ChicagoJo says: Aug 10, 2010 12:05 PM

    Uh, Frazier is the F’n man and probably would’ve been better for Seattle than Carroll.
    That said, the Rooney Rule created this situation. It sucks for Leslie but just about everyone in the world knew his interview was just an act to cover their asses.
    However, I disagree with your comments that he should’ve kept his mouth shut. He didn’t create the situation, he was just the pawn in a sham interview for a position he has coveted and earned for years.
    He didn’t pull the race card here. Nor did he “throw stones”. He was interviewed and responded honestly. He didn’t really even say much about it at all, but the savy reader can read between the lines. Maybe he should’ve said nothing about it, but he’s a passionate and candid guy. He shouldn’t have to pretend like he’s comfortable with the BS position he was put in.
    I agree race issues are brought up too often in America, but that’s not the issue here. The issue is that Leslie Frazier let on what everyone already knew. He should be commended, not chastised for it. I always believed sunlight is the best disenfectant, and their should be no punishment for honesty.

  36. FinFan says: Aug 10, 2010 12:06 PM

    Its a silly rule. The owner or Gm will hire the guy they think is a great fit for their organization despite race

  37. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Aug 10, 2010 12:09 PM

    The biggest thing that will hurt Frazier and other potential head coaching candidates is the numbers game that nobody here is mentioning…
    The more times one interviews for a head coach position and doesn’t get hired, the sooner one becomes an afterthought. Just ask Russ Grimm, Jim Fassel etc…these were previously thought to be “hot” head coaching candidates, did a few interviews…and now are rarely even mentioned.

  38. hazi59 says: Aug 10, 2010 12:10 PM

    This is a football post, not a political post. Liberal, conservative, black, white….who cares. Football should be the main focus. I think in due time, Leslie Frazier would make a fine head coach…but he shouldn’t have said anything outside of his realm of power (Vikings Defense). Make comments or allegations on another team is stupid, counter-productive, and has also cast a cloudy view on his personal views which could cost him in the future.

  39. SpartaChris says: Aug 10, 2010 12:12 PM

    Bun McSticky says:
    August 10, 2010 11:42 AM
    Let’s see you go thru this sham of an interview process and see how you feel about it. Let’s see you keep the frustration down constantly. So easy to judge if you aren’t wearing the mocassins.
    ================================
    Except Frazier didn’t *have* to go interview. He could have opted to skip the interview and wait for another opportunity. Instead he CHOSE to participate in that sham interview. Any frustration displayed or felt on his part is completely misguided.

  40. ijr213 says: Aug 10, 2010 12:15 PM

    I almost believe that the Rooney Rule actually hurts the system more than it helps. Don’t get me wrong, I am all in favor of making sure that everyone gets an equal opportunity. But it seems like the Rooney Rule requires organizations to patronize minority coaches, and Seattle’s case proves it.
    A team is going to hire the coach they want to hire but I do believe that the Rooney Rule has helped. However, at this point, it seems more like an insult to hard working minority coaches than anything else. “We are interviewing you because we have to, not because we want to.” Seems more of a bitter taste than an equalizer.

  41. FarvesFooPa says: Aug 10, 2010 12:15 PM

    Pack_Attack says:
    August 10, 2010 11:32 AM
    How’s that post racial presidency workin’ for everyone? Jesus H. everything is racial these days. Enough already.
    Agreed!!!!!!!!

  42. Florio-is-a-tool says: Aug 10, 2010 12:15 PM

    Give Seattle a break; they’re suffering from Over-trained Franchise syndrome so they can’t possibly be guilty.

  43. cmfm45 says: Aug 10, 2010 12:15 PM

    Boo Hoo Leslie. If this retarded rule didn’t exist, this wouldn’t happen. What good is saying all this now? At least he didn’t wait as long as Bill Leavy to state the obvious.

  44. Calgaryfin says: Aug 10, 2010 12:22 PM

    Wow, look out NASA another rocket surgeon looking for work.

  45. _ROCKSTAR_ says: Aug 10, 2010 12:27 PM

    Its sad we have to have the rule in place… it is so retarded these days. If teams have to play but the rule then things like this will happen and crying fowl after they play by the rules OH WELL! Its the rule deal with it.

  46. SpartaChris says: Aug 10, 2010 12:27 PM

    whutevaman says:
    August 10, 2010 11:57 AM
    The Rooney rule is racist now? White people have it so hard. I feel sooo sorry for you.
    ==================================
    Well yeah, it is actually, though it’s more of an insult to Blacks and Hispanics than anything.
    Imagine you’re given a job, not because you earned it and not based on merit or qualifications or past success or really because you deserved it, but based solely on the color of your skin. Wouldn’t you feel the least bit insulted and cheap?
    While the Rooney Rule certainly helped some candidates progress through the ranks of the NFL, anymore it’s a sham and an insult. Like labor unions, there’s just no place for it today.
    Besides, companies should be allowed to hire anyone they want regardless of skin color. The whole Rooney Rule/Affirmative Action nonsense is just that- nonsense.

  47. fleet10 says: Aug 10, 2010 12:29 PM

    whutevaman says:
    August 10, 2010 11:57 AM
    The Rooney rule is racist now? White people have it so hard. I feel sooo sorry for you.
    …..comments like these are precisely the problem.
    What ever happened to logic and reason? This is exactly WHY everything appears racist. Just being white doesn’t mean you must dismiss the Rooney Rule, and being black doesn’t require you to support it.
    To a logical and reasonable observer, regardless of race, would say that the rule does more harm than good, is racist itself in its essence, and certainly doesn’t promote the premise of hiring the “best man for the job.”
    Further, it demotes the hard work, skill, perserverance, and aptitude of Mike Tomlin, Tony Dungy, Denny Green, Herman Edwards, Lovie Smith, and countless others.
    Certainly it would be insulting to any of the above mentioned me to insinuate that their positions or success are then only attributed to the color of their skin.
    I’m amazed at the difficulty some of you have in understanding this.

  48. Munze Konza says: Aug 10, 2010 12:31 PM

    Seattle will apologize in 4 years.

  49. BoltsFan says: Aug 10, 2010 12:32 PM

    That’s what you get when you try to force people to pander to you (or your protected class) by demanding that you get special consideration just because you are black, or gay, or undocumented or female etc. This whole dog and pony show is idiotic. Allow people to interview, hire and pay who they choose. You are NOT guaranteed to get a job (or even an interview) in the REAL world, so don’t expect it in the NFL.

  50. Raiders757 says: Aug 10, 2010 12:35 PM

    I think the majority of the fans have spoken loud and clear, that it’s time to get rid of the outdated joke known as “the Rooney Rule”. It’s no longer of any use, and I’m not sure it was ever even needed.

  51. Jumbotron84 says: Aug 10, 2010 12:48 PM

    He was – just like he was for the Lions the year they hired Schwartz

  52. agentfive says: Aug 10, 2010 12:53 PM

    Frazier has it all wrong. The Seahawks wanted a GM/Head Coach combo. When they couldn’t get Shanahan, or Dungy and Frazier together as a package, Frazier’s interview was moot since they didn’t think Frazier had the chops to run the franchise on his own. That’s why Carroll was chosen–best (in the Seahawk brass’ opinion) GM/Head Coach combo available at the time.
    Frazier being black wasn’t a factor. If the Seahawk’s thought he could win in their environment he would have gotten the job.
    Was he a token interview? Yes, but only in the sense that he didn’t have a chance once Dungy backed out. Why did he get the interview anyway? Because the short list of GM/Head Coach combo candidates only had one interview that would satisfy the Rooney Rule–Frazier.

  53. jediwrstlr says: Aug 10, 2010 12:58 PM

    I am a die hard Steelers fan, and I think the Rooney Rule is a joke. I am all for equality, but hire the BEST person for the job,not the best person for appearences. I think it is safe to say that the “Rooney Rule” has the best intentions in mind, but not nessesarily the best results.

  54. irishgary says: Aug 10, 2010 12:58 PM

    @whutevaman
    Good that you can put all white people in one group.
    Where you eating chicken and watermellon when you wrote that?

  55. imneverwrong says: Aug 10, 2010 12:59 PM

    He could have said no to the interview correct?

  56. crubenst says: Aug 10, 2010 1:05 PM

    Seattle isn’t racist they’re just stupid. Why would they want Pete Carroll anyway? He sucked as an NFL coach and cheated to get the best talent at USC. He’s a rah rah highschool/ college coach who reminds me of Spurrier. And lets put Frazier’s comments in the proper context: he wasn’t complaining about it, he was simply answering a question that was posed to him as honestly as possible.

  57. Steeler fans are tools says: Aug 10, 2010 1:05 PM

    F–K yourself Rooney. Because of this rule, qulaified or not, people will get interviews to fill their racial quota. And i agree with most posters, Frazier’s time will come.

  58. Bob Nelson says: Aug 10, 2010 1:11 PM

    Leslie Frazier? What has he ever done?
    Pete Carroll is a much better coach and has a better record of accomplishments. He handled the media with the Top Pot incident well. He likes Maple Bars.
    Why didn’t Frazier say he appreciated the recognition and the opportunity to make an impression on ownership.
    Instead he insults the people who gave him an opportunity and played the race card. Not good media interaction but a lot of immaturity.
    Nobody likes those viking sour grapes.

  59. SeriousRadio says: Aug 10, 2010 1:16 PM

    I recall that Frazier at first refused the interview because he thought/knew it was probably just token. Then, he accepted the interview to gain experience in the process. Now, he is crying about the process education? Incredible.

  60. Chapnasty. says: Aug 10, 2010 1:16 PM

    God I thought Obama was making us post-racial. Everytime I turn on the damn news I hear some minority saying that they are in trouble because of their race. What is wrong with people? Are there some bad apples out there? Obviously. But to force someone to interview/hire anyone based on any skin color or nationality is racist and should be called as such. It is just sad that Florio tries this every year. He wants us all fired up over some terrible racist rule that based off of the majority of these comments is not supported by the majority. GIVE IT UP FLORIO!

  61. boysroll. says: Aug 10, 2010 1:19 PM

    New reports coming in are that Paul Allen thought Leslie Frazier was a broad, and he was hoping to get all Isiah Thomas on her.
    When a black dude walked in stating he was Leslie Frazier, Paul Allen said this interview is over.

  62. BernieMac says: Aug 10, 2010 1:28 PM

    I think the new labor talks should demand a proof reader for PFT!
    “Speaking about the interview for the first time, Frazier said money that he had concerns about the process in Seattle”
    Money? It appears that you have one thing on your mind and now you can not deny it!

  63. longestlegs says: Aug 10, 2010 1:29 PM

    How many African-Americans have posted in this thread? I would love to know. The responses are just…unreal.
    This is how normal football fans think? Jiminy crickets.

  64. CarlHess1 says: Aug 10, 2010 1:37 PM

    Can someone give these blacks a chance so they stop complaining? Geez.
    And then once you implement the rule giving them a chance can you be sure they start to complain about that also.
    The complaining is insanity at this point, take some responsibility for your people.

  65. longestlegs says: Aug 10, 2010 1:37 PM

    fleet10 says:
    August 10, 2010 12:29 PM
    whutevaman says:
    August 10, 2010 11:57 AM
    The Rooney rule is racist now? White people have it so hard. I feel sooo sorry for you.
    …..comments like these are precisely the problem.
    What ever happened to logic and reason? This is exactly WHY everything appears racist. Just being white doesn’t mean you must dismiss the Rooney Rule, and being black doesn’t require you to support it.
    To a logical and reasonable observer, regardless of race, would say that the rule does more harm than good, is racist itself in its essence, and certainly doesn’t promote the premise of hiring the “best man for the job.”
    Further, it demotes the hard work, skill, perserverance, and aptitude of Mike Tomlin, Tony Dungy, Denny Green, Herman Edwards, Lovie Smith, and countless others.
    Certainly it would be insulting to any of the above mentioned me to insinuate that their positions or success are then only attributed to the color of their skin.
    I’m amazed at the difficulty some of you have in understanding this.
    ———————————————-
    In an ideal world, everyone would be given an equal opportunity for equal positions. How anyone can argue something along the lines of affirmative action is illogical is beyond me. Your argument here is stating that someone of color would uniquivicably be granted a job based on the color of their skin, in this situation. In this situation, that is also, ideally, untrue.
    The team will ultimately hire who they feel is the best candidate. Being forced to interview what is essentially one extra person is not a bad thing. After all, in the Steelers’ case they were just going to go ahead and give the job to Russ Grimm but had to interview Tomlin. He ended up being the best fit, won them a Super Bowl, and was just granted a contract extension.
    White people are ridiculous. I hope that doesn’t get edited, since someone was allowed to make yet another fried chicken and watermelon comment above.
    What is wrong with you self righteous a&&h9les?

  66. Dead Coach says: Aug 10, 2010 1:57 PM

    Other interview rules:
    Mrs. Rooney rule: must interview a woman
    Los Rooney rule: must interview a Latino
    Cracker Rooney rule: must interview a white candidate
    Yoo Hoo Rooney rule: must interview a gay or lesbian candidate
    Samoa Rooney rule: must interview a Pacific islander
    Elder Rooney rule: must interview a candidate over 60
    Bucka Rooney rule: must interview a Texan
    Fan Rooney rule: must interview a popular candidate who has no interest in coaching the team.

  67. chadp2351 says: Aug 10, 2010 2:06 PM

    I’m sooooooooooo sick of all these “special” rules to cater to minorities.
    Rooney rule is absurd and should be gone!

  68. numberfour says: Aug 10, 2010 2:21 PM

    it kind of is a florio rule. the media is very much liberal, and none moreso than in the sports media.
    of course we dont have a media, we have bootlickers and enablers for the leftist establishment.
    all these dumb rules arent about anything except political power. getting it. keeping it. lording it in the face of those who dont have it.
    frazier still appears to be well paid. he hasnt really suffered.
    but the vikings have allowed 311, 333, 312 points the last 3 years. that isnt stellar. allowing 20 points a game year after year is merely average. i dont see that he is that good. nice yardage rankings are nice. they still give up points like just any other team, and one cant blame it all on special teams.

  69. Jumbotron84 says: Aug 10, 2010 2:21 PM

    fleet10 says: August 10, 2010 12:29 PM
    Good Post
    longestlegs says: August 10, 2010 1:37 PM
    Good Reply.
    To think a team would HIRE a minority because of the Rooney rule would be stupid… but they are wasting a lot of time to both the administration as well as the prospective coach if they genuinely have no interest in hiring him.
    It just wastes time, spins wheels and flings mud around…
    I just don’t think it is working to its intended reason. Name one “success” story where a minority was interviewed ONLY because of the rooney rule and the owners and gm said:
    “You know, I am GLAD we were FORCED to interview a guy we didn’t feel was qualified enough to hire… Boy were we wrong!”

  70. sacdaddy says: Aug 10, 2010 2:21 PM

    Rooney rule is so pointless. If the candidate is qualified white, or black, or yellow, or red, they should be hired. A team that takes a less qualified white guy over a greater qualified black guy is just stupid.

  71. awoods1906 says: Aug 10, 2010 2:35 PM

    Don’t agree with Leslie’s “not knowing” that it was a sham but the lack of understanding by some bloggers is worse.
    I am pretty sure that the rule requires a minority interview (not black). Based on demographics the rule is easily satisfied by black candidates – so please scratch the black so why not asian, indian, etc.
    There are 5 Minority HC’s out of 32 (15.6%) while in 2009 12 of the 67 Coordinators were minorty (17.9%). The NFL does hire who they want regardless of the Rooney Rule which is the right thing – the issue was that at one time many minorities couldn’t get an interview hence the rule.
    NFL teams have proven that strong coordinators are hired regardless of skin color. The less regulated staff hires though seems a bit out of whack but more research would have to prove that out.

  72. Chapnasty. says: Aug 10, 2010 2:35 PM

    @ long
    The Fried Chicken and Watermelon reference above was just pointing out how insane the guy was for categorizing all white people into one group. He was being ironic.
    You are wrong on so many levels. Interviewing one extra person just because of the color of their skin is racist, plain and simple. It is funny that someone can take that well articulated argument put in front of you and still not get the general outrage from white people. The argument isn’t saying that a black person shouldn’t be interviewed it is saying that someone shouldn’t have to be interviewed just because of their skin color. I would argue that Mike Tomlin took Bill Cowhers team to the Superbowl and won. I would argue that Russ Grimm probably had the same shot as well.
    “White People” as you put it aren’t ridiculous. We are sick and tired of people pulling the race card is all. Most of us want to be considered equal and affirmative action and the Rooney Rule are designed to grant special treatment. That is the difference. May the best person get the job.

  73. purplepuzzyeatrz says: Aug 10, 2010 2:36 PM

    Look People,
    It is because of the Rooney Rule, that the political parties were forced to endorse a Black(muslim) Presidential candidate. Now, low and Behold, just like an American Idol fluke of several seasons ago, hey was voted in????
    Look how this silly Rule has caught on in our Government. Now, we have a NON qualifiied, Muslim, Black, Hood Rat destroying our country & turning our once Free country into a Socialisitic
    Monarchy. If owners hire the best qualified for the position, the best Man will be hired , white , black, or other!
    Lets put to bed these silly reverse racist policies that only muddy the waters & really make the system look horribly bad!
    WOuld you really want to be the HC if only you were hired to meet some political quota? I wouldnt, besides……I really want him as our defensive Coordinator here in Minne……SKOL

  74. Sam Lee says: Aug 10, 2010 2:38 PM

    LOL at Florio and his hatred for Favre. That’s what this is about isn’t it? The idea that a guy who is great at his job won’t get hired because he makes an off-handed honest comment is laughable.
    Congratulations for making your blog the equivalent of a low life ambulance chasing lawyer. Both make good money though. Doesn’t matter who gets trashed along the way.

  75. purpleguy says: Aug 10, 2010 2:44 PM

    Hey, attend all the token Rooney rule interviews he wants, the longer he stays with the Vikes, the better. Just don’t go to Chicago next year Lelsie.

  76. psmith7716 says: Aug 10, 2010 2:46 PM

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Frazier. Sometimes, interviews are granted because of the requirements of the system, even though the hiring entity knows who they want to hire even before the interview process begins. And sometimes, a person may not be hired because there are more desireable candidates.

  77. raideralex99 says: Aug 10, 2010 2:46 PM

    It’s crap like this that fuels the fire for racism to continue. What ever happened to the best man for the job … who gives a crap if he’s black or white. I have NEVER heard any other race cry about racism except the blacks … why is that?

  78. DJSlyBri says: Aug 10, 2010 3:01 PM

    Everyone and their mother thought Mike Tomlin was a token interview and that Russ Grim or Ken Whisenhunt was getting the Steelers job, no doubt. We all know how that turned out.
    Instead of whining, which will never get him a job, he should take his interviews very seriously, regardless of the circumstances. Sooner or later, he’s gonna get hired. He does need to understand that being a media favorite won’t get him a job. Go ask Sherman Lewis all about that.

  79. AllThat says: Aug 10, 2010 3:15 PM

    @sacdaddy says:
    August 10, 2010 2:21 PM
    Rooney rule is so pointless. If the candidate is qualified white, or black, or yellow, or red, they should be hired. A team that takes a less qualified white guy over a greater qualified black guy is just stupid.
    ===================================
    Well they hired Petey didn’t they?
    4-12 in Seattle

  80. Wonka says: Aug 10, 2010 3:15 PM

    For those who think the Rooney rule is a joke, why don’t you go and compare the percentages of black head coaches in the NFL vs that of D1 NCAA football.
    It is about 22% in the NFL and in the NCAA at last check it was something like 6%, depsite 50% of D1 players being black. The Rooney rule worked in the NFL. Blacks make up about 20% of the population, and they have an equal representation in head coaching ranks. You can see where that number would be without the Rooney rule by looking at the NCAA!!!

  81. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 10, 2010 3:18 PM

    the league is considering ted thompson’s suggestion that they institute “the thompson rule”, where every team hiring a g.m. has to interview a gay candidate.

  82. Dewey Axewoond says: Aug 10, 2010 3:20 PM

    Affirmative action, The Rooney Rule, wealth redistribution, quotas, hyphenated identities, diversity, bullsh1t beer summit photo ops, political correctness and phony self-righteousness run amok–this is all what’s ruining race relations in this country.
    This country is founded on equal opportunity (not equal outcome), which is best enabled in free market capitalism, which allows for maximum LIBERTY–the freedom for people to succeed (or fail) according to their own merit and their own efforts, and maybe a little luck (but not their skin color).
    Affirmative action–and the Rooney Rule–are about as un-American as it gets.
    On the issue of race and harmony in this country (and the NFL could take it’s cue here, too), Morgan Freeman said it best:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s
    Watch that and learn, my crybaby liberal “friends”…
    Rather than always whining about our differences and harping on about our diversity and blah blah blabbity blah, we need to start thinking about our basic COMMONALITY.

  83. Dewey Axewoond says: Aug 10, 2010 3:24 PM

    purplepuzzyeatrz says:
    August 10, 2010 2:36 PM
    Look People,
    _________________________________
    Finally, a Vikings fan that makes some sense.
    At least you’re not ALL totally devoid of decency.
    (See? I didn’t even say “BiQueen”!)

  84. longestlegs says: Aug 10, 2010 3:29 PM

    @ chap
    Thanks for the reply
    The ‘white people’ comment was pretty tongue in cheek as I’m caucasian. I just feel like I live in a hole when so many people reveal themselves to be bigots, or at the very least, intolerant.
    Never knew there were so many right leaning, Tea Party, red meat and potatoes AMUHRCAHN football fans still out there. Its a damn shame really.
    Git Er Dun

  85. Arizona Buckeye says: Aug 10, 2010 3:34 PM

    White people are all pissed off and angry because now that we have a black president, it is a constant conversation topic and it is getting more air play. Before that, white people could just blissfully ignore the subject because it wasn’t an item in the news all that much. They could get on with their lives, whether they be racist or not, and not be impacted. People of a non-white color have to deal with it every single minute of their lives. Sadly, we have to deal with this issue because racism still exists in this world. The second we can rid ourselves of all this hatred, the subject goes away and becomes a footnote in history.
    Perhaps if the world was reversed and white people were in the minority, constantly being followed in stores, constantly being watched, constantly being denied services because of their skin color, constantly not getting jobs, assignments, etc because of their skin, you’d realize that you do start questioning everybody and every decision. If you felt the sting of racial bigotry over and over I’m guessing you’d be a bit sensitive as well.
    It will be a glorious day when morons harboring racial hatred cease to exist on this planet, but until that day, you’ll still need to have these types of rules in place to force people to at least try and do the right thing. I certainly don’t like the Rooney Rule but I certainly understand why it came into existence.

  86. QinCT says: Aug 10, 2010 3:34 PM

    Some of you just don’t get it. Without the “sham rule” some of the capable coaches would not have even gotten a look. Consider, idiots like Jerry Glanville and Dan Henning KEPT jobs as head coaches, but they don’t even have a .500 lifetime coaching record. At some point, a team genuinely interested in winning will hire the capable candidate, but for now the playing field NEEDS to be leveled. African American and Latino coaches are WAYYYYYY behind the curve.
    Oh yeah and to address 1 more issue- the Rooney Rule cannot, nor will not ever be racist until Brown people have real institutional power. Get your facts straight.

  87. fleet10 says: Aug 10, 2010 3:40 PM

    longestlegs………you said,
    “Your argument here is stating that someone of color would uniquivicably be granted a job based on the color of their skin, in this situation. In this situation, that is also, ideally, untrue.”
    regarding my post. How in the world you got that is beyond me.
    However, I was pleased to think for a moment that, unlike many interactions on message boards such as this, you and I were engaging in an actual adult conversation of differing opinions.
    All the way up until, “White people are ridiculous.”, which, in and of itself, is ridiculous.
    Reread my post. Although, yes, I am white, my reasons for a stance against the Rooney Rule, was pretty clear, and based on logic, reason, integrity, and equality. Look up that last word, my friend. Equality means equal. It doesn’t mean, as apparently you prefer it to, that, “hey, equal when it’s best, special rules when they’re best.” You don’t get it both ways, but your perception that you should is precisely what keeps this absurd racial carousel spinning.
    So it’s ok for all players to be drafted, played, and paid based on performance and potential? Hiring Head Coaches can NOT be based upon the same?
    “White people are ridiculous”, and then OTHERS are the self-rightous ones? What the hell is the matter with you?
    Trust me, there aren’t too many “white” people out there (though there are some) that have any problem with anyone, regardless of race, EARNING what they get. What “white” people are sick of however, is the likes of people like you, who think society OWES them something. There is an huge and distinct difference there.
    Millions upon millions of dollars are paid to these players and coaches. But still, in 2010, you have the NFL Rooney Rule, Hank Aaron in MLB whining that there aren’t enough African-American players?!?! Jesse Jackson calling Dan Gilbert (Cleveland Cavs owner) a slave owner for his handling of LeBron James??? Claiming that LeBron didn’t want to work on Dan Gilbert’s “plantation” anymore?!?!
    There isn’t a white person alive in this country that has ever owned a slave.
    Get the F over yourself.

  88. Maddog says: Aug 10, 2010 3:56 PM

    fleet10 says:
    August 10, 2010 12:29 PM
    whutevaman says:
    August 10, 2010 11:57 AM
    The Rooney rule is racist now? White people have it so hard. I feel sooo sorry for you.
    …..comments like these are precisely the problem.
    To a logical and reasonable observer, regardless of race, would say that the rule does more harm than good, is racist itself in its essence, and certainly doesn’t promote the premise of hiring the “best man for the job.”
    Further, it demotes the hard work, skill, perserverance, and aptitude of Mike Tomlin, Tony Dungy, Denny Green, Herman Edwards, Lovie Smith, and countless others.
    Certainly it would be insulting to any of the above mentioned me to insinuate that their positions or success are then only attributed to the color of their skin.
    ———————————————
    The thing is the men you mentioned above may never have become head coaches if it weren’t for the Rooney rule. It was ridiculous that the for years and years the same awful coaches were being fired then recycled to other teams and there were literally no minority head coaches in the league, though over 70% of the players were black. Minorities are still underrepresented in the coaching ranks.
    The rule simply states you must interview at least one minority candidate. Says nothing about you having to hire them, but it helps these guys get their names out there.

  89. Dewey Axewoond says: Aug 10, 2010 4:05 PM

    @longestlegs
    First, see my Morgan Freeman video.
    We right-leaning, Tea Party, red meat and (proud to be) AMERICAN football fans ARE still out here (and, GASP! some of us are even minorities!) and–despite what the media would have you believe–we make up a good portion of this country (the portion that exists in that vast geographical region that stretches between Manhattan and Malibu, the part that’s never really represented in the news or pop culture outlets).
    And guess what else?
    Strange as it may sound, we’re all about principles, and policy–not pigmentation.
    The only “damn shame” is your own prejudiced, ignorant, myopic misunderstanding of this great country.

  90. Dewey Axewoond says: Aug 10, 2010 4:13 PM

    @Maddog,
    If the Rooney Rule is what brought Lovie to the Bears, then the Rooney Rule also cost the Bears a Super Bowl.
    The talent was definitely there that year (06)–but the coaching?
    Not so much.

  91. longestlegs says: Aug 10, 2010 4:17 PM

    @fleet 10
    The as I stated in my second post…the white people are ridiculous was meant to be…
    Ridiculous.
    And was aimed at the shockingly sweeping commentary that I should be used to by now.
    Its cool. :)

  92. steelers rule says: Aug 10, 2010 4:19 PM

    I thought Token was the rich black kid on South Park?

  93. longestlegs says: Aug 10, 2010 4:27 PM

    Right Maddog, and QinCT…
    There’s no point in arguing though when there are people who’s mantra is that hard work and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps regardless of creed, race, orientation, gender works no matter what type of person you are, since the playing field is naturally, equal now.
    I mean, shut up and just DO IT! There’s no need for internal regulation or even external government in business (or sports) because obviously everyone sees eye to eye, and is treated equally. No special treatment should be given regardless of circumstance because everyone is the same. I mean that’s the AMERICAN way! Be AMERICANS and stop WHINING!
    VIVA JIMMY BUFFET!
    I was scratching my head trying to figure out what people meant by racist. Minorities by definition can not be racist.

  94. Mrsteve says: Aug 10, 2010 4:46 PM

    Arizona Buckeye
    Interesting statement
    but you are wrong about jobs
    Given the choice between a black man & a white man the company will choose the black man. They would choose a black or hispanic woman over both men.

  95. stabkoff says: Aug 10, 2010 4:54 PM

    Affirmative action does not work; see the President of the United States.

  96. Arizona Buckeye says: Aug 10, 2010 5:36 PM

    @Mrsteve
    As you can imagine, living in Phoenix, I’m at ground zero of racial hatred and political stupidity right now. What I didn’t mean to imply is that all non whites are discriminated against when applying for jobs – but it certainly still goes on. As we have moved further up the progressive thinking and acting scale as humans, it happens less and less but it is still is going on, sometimes fairly overtly. It feels like every single redneck, racist, white supremacist, card carrying klan, skin head, neo nazi, and tea bagger has moved to my state right now. I can’t fling a tire iron without hitting 10 or more of them. What I was seeing before all of the insanity started out here was the fact that Arizona is getting younger, and by nature, is getting less and less cranky and right wing conservative in their views.

  97. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 10, 2010 5:57 PM

    bob nelson and jimmy smith, as fat, gay, homeless, mentally challenged, physically abused, emotionally disabled, hygienacally deprived, cross dressing, samoan packer fans you have probably been mocked and discriminated against at some point in your lives – so what is your feeling about this problem?

  98. Beer Cheese Soup says: Aug 10, 2010 11:02 PM

    The Rooney Rule is racist, but what can you expect. It’s named after a senile old man who has no grip of what goes on in the world today. Race has no bearing on our current society. If it did, we wouldn’t have the president we do. Therefore, this sham of a rule should have no bearing on the NFL.
    As for Frazier, he is a very good coordinator. His time will come. He will be a HC somewhere someday soon, and he will be a lot better than Pete “the third time is the charm” Carroll ever was or will be in the NFL.
    The Seahawks made a pretty huge mistake here. That’s nothing new though. Their only recent winning seasons have been through the use of former Packer players and coaches. Those days are now behind them.
    I would wish all the ‘Hawk fans good luck, but I haven’t seen many of them for a couple years now, and I LIVE IN SEATTLE. Fairweather punks. Going to need to pump in the crowd noise at Qwest a little louder this season…

  99. SpartaChris says: Aug 10, 2010 11:44 PM

    Arizona Buckeye says:
    August 10, 2010 5:36 PM
    As you can imagine, living in Phoenix, I’m at ground zero of racial hatred and political stupidity right now.
    =============================
    God, I feel sorry for you. Illegal is NOT a race. That you think the idea of securing our borders from future invasion and deporting the ILLEGAL aliens in this country is a race issue makes me sad for you and any future or current offspring you might have.
    Please, if you haven’t yet, don’t breed. You’ll be doing all of humanity a big favor.

  100. Notoroius B.U.G. says: Aug 11, 2010 5:57 AM

    JimmySmith says:
    August 10, 2010 12:04 PM
    Maybe the Seahawks wanted to talk to Frazier in the off chance that they make it to the NFC title game in OT, then they want to know what Frazier did so they can avoid the same result.
    Dumbest comment EVER

  101. ChicagoJo says: Aug 11, 2010 10:07 AM

    Arizona Buckeye: “White people are all pissed off and angry because now that we have a black president”
    I’m white and not angry about anything. I’m actually overjoyed, football is starting! Regardless of my criticisms about our president, race has literally nothing to do with it.
    While I’m not naive about the bigotry in this country (see 50% of the above posts) I also am more optomistic that the a$$holes like this guy are more outspoken, and we just don’t hear from the civil majority who, unlike us in this thread, know better than to engage in hopeless conversations.
    Deep down I think most liberals and conservatives have good principles at heart, and our bipartisan politics and medias just push us into these corners. Think about it, how many of these posts are just the same regurgitated talking points? People trying to twist other peoples beliefs into something that’s easy to criticize is not debate, it’s deception. You should all run for office. Beware of being so entrenched in your own opinon that you can’t see merit in other people’s arguments, and the flaws in your own.
    SpartaChris says:
    “Please, if you haven’t yet, don’t breed. You’ll be doing all of humanity a big favor.”
    I don’t think you need to worry about that, friend. Guys like that never get laid.

  102. imissmydeadspin says: Aug 13, 2010 8:57 AM

    Trust me Leslie Frazier,
    you don’t want to coach the Seahawks. Or live in Seattle.

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