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As expected, Favre's new contract lets him make up to $20 million

If it’s truly not about the money, it’s not about a whole lot of money.

Per a league source, Vikings quarterback Brett Favre got his new contract on Monday.  He received a signing bonus of $4.4 million, and he reduced his base salary from $13 million to $11.6 million.

The salary is fully guaranteed for injury only, which makes no sense because, as a practical matter, his salary for the current year already is fully guaranteed for injury — as is the salary of every player, with the exception of those who agree to a “split” contract.

Favre also is eligible to earn $4 million in incentives, which allows him to make up to $20 million in 2010.

For the conspiracy theorists out there (actually, I have a feeling that everyone is secretly a conspiracy theorist, and that they act like they aren’t conspiracy theorists just to mess with the conspiracy theorists who don’t realize that everyone is secretly a conspiracy theorist), it’s interesting to note that Favre’s new deal was finalized the day before word emerged that receiver Sidney Rice underwent surgery that will knock him out of action for two months.  If Favre knew he’d be without Rice for at least two months, would he have wanted to push some of the money tied to incentives based on team accomplishments toward his base salary?

If it’s not about the money, no.  If it’s about the money in any degree, then hell yes.

And so Favre will earn $16 million at a minimum in 2010, with up to $4 million more available.  And he already has been paid $4 million this year in deferred 2009 salary.  And he’ll get another $4 million next year in deferred 2009 salary.
 
It’s a good thing it’s not about the money.  We’d hate to see how much he’d be making if it were about the money.

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  1. petro says: Aug 26, 2010 9:46 AM

    The Vikings look so foolish. They send 3 guys down there to beg him to come back. I know QB is the glamour position but to beg this weasel to come back and pay him $20 mil to throw a dumb pick at the end of the season? They get what they deserve.

  2. JimmySmith says: Aug 26, 2010 9:49 AM

    If any Viking fan truly takes Farve at his word that it is not about the money, then I have a bridge over here in Brooklyn that’s for sale.
    Ok, he played the Vikings like a fiddle to the tune of $4 to $8 million extra, can’t even blame Favre for that. What I find so entertaining is the Viking fans rationalization for pulling their pants all the way down to their ankles. But given their real life experience in that area, I guess it is more than logical.

  3. cbatchel says: Aug 26, 2010 9:49 AM

    I don’t blame him, get all the money while you can. Probably his last year anyway. Espeacially with the wear and tear this job takes on your body and the years it takes off your life. These owners are billionaires it’s not like they are hurting for money, most this is a hobby for them. If they want you bad enough and are willing to pay whatever, then get as much as you can. Any other employee in this country would do the same thing to thier boss.

  4. ChillyP says: Aug 26, 2010 9:53 AM

    WoW this story has changed my life. If you think about it, shouldn’t every club emulate Minnesota? I mean shouldn’t every team be doing everything possible to improve their team and get the right people on the field? I bet Arizona would want to do everything possible to improve their team.

  5. BigBear123 says: Aug 26, 2010 9:54 AM

    Meanwhile Rice and AP are stuck with contracts they are unhappy with.

  6. Hauschild says: Aug 26, 2010 9:54 AM

    Florio – THAT was my conspiracy theory from a few days ago. I’ll let it slide this time, but next time give me credit.

  7. green man says: Aug 26, 2010 9:55 AM

    Beg for the citizens of Minny to build you a new stadium while throwing generational wealth at a washed up choker?…I love the hypocrisy of pro sports.

  8. My Coke Can says: Aug 26, 2010 9:58 AM

    Wow!

  9. Nate is Gay for Brady says: Aug 26, 2010 9:59 AM

    Its raining purple drops of hate in here!

  10. abrownsfan says: Aug 26, 2010 10:01 AM

    what a greedy asshole.

  11. Pat_McCrotch2.0 says: Aug 26, 2010 10:01 AM

    HERE WE GO YET AGAIN!!!! how many other players in the NFL do u think play for the BIG contracts? and how much of that 20mill is commin out of ur bank account florio???? Then STFU

  12. Canned Heat says: Aug 26, 2010 10:01 AM

    And this surprises…….no one.
    Theoretically, if contracts were performance-based with a bonus add for post-season play and post season awards, Favre should be paid at least what he’s getting according to the market….probably more.
    Now with the injuries, the age, and supposedly the ankle, he may want more half way thru this year….he is going to get hammered this year. Hard. What the Vikes have to also figure out is how and when Adrian Fumbleson is going to learn how to pass block. When Favre checks out of a play and audibles to a pass when AP is back there, Favre risks getting killed….see 49ers replay of last week. You could read AP’s lips on the TV screen when he knew Favre was gonna get it, and AP pissed himself and missed both guys on the blitz.
    God, the season cannot get here soon enough.
    The loss of the WR depth in MN will only enhance AP’s Fantasy numbers…IMO.

  13. JoeSixPack says: Aug 26, 2010 10:01 AM

    I don’t believe any conspiracy theories.
    I think the government fabricates them all.

  14. FoF says: Aug 26, 2010 10:02 AM

    Well deserved. Favre makes far more money for the league and the Vikings then he will ever receive in compensation.
    To the haters out there, we’ve already figured out your game. Leave all the comments you want, but we all know that if Favre didn’t accept this unsolicited raise you would be getting on him just as hard. You would be calling him a dumb redneck hick for turning down free money.
    Check and mate!

  15. Zach says: Aug 26, 2010 10:03 AM

    Meanwhile we have to suffer through Gruden and others suck up to him and say how Brett plays for the love of the game and for fun 18x per quarter.

  16. Pat_McCrotch2.0 says: Aug 26, 2010 10:03 AM

    WASHED UP? THE MAN THREW FOR 33TDS 7INTS LMAO

  17. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 10:05 AM

    “I mean shouldn’t every team be doing everything possible to improve their team and get the right people on the field?”
    not the green bay pckers, cuz the gay vampire only “builds from within” and if he doesn’t get the home team discounts he’s demanding, he won’t even re-sign pckers contracts starting next year. if you let a tightwad albino build your team for 5 years all you get is 2 winning seasons and 1 playoff win.

  18. shiftyshellshocked says: Aug 26, 2010 10:07 AM

    Fifty million for Sam Bradford. I think Favre is worth the money just in merchandise sales. Wake up meatheads. Skol Vikes.

  19. Allied Biscuit says: Aug 26, 2010 10:09 AM

    Typical NBC journalist response.

  20. CaptainObvious says: Aug 26, 2010 10:10 AM

    petro says: August 26, 2010 9:46 AM
    “The Vikings look so foolish. They send 3 guys down there to beg him to come back.”
    I still don’t think they went down there to kiss his ass, I think they went down there to kick his ass…

  21. lebowski says: Aug 26, 2010 10:11 AM

    Thanks for the chuckle JoeSixPack.

  22. FoF says: Aug 26, 2010 10:13 AM

    Zach says:
    August 26, 2010 10:03 AM
    Meanwhile we have to suffer through Gruden and others suck up to him and say how Brett plays for the love of the game and for fun 18x per quarter.
    Just as they suck up to the other top QBs in the league. Get over it.

  23. nutnbutnet says: Aug 26, 2010 10:19 AM

    Favre getting another 8Mil is going to play real well with the non football loving, struggling in a bad economy, 10% unemployed taxpayers that have the fate of the Vikings in their hands.
    Thanks, Brett.

  24. petro says: Aug 26, 2010 10:22 AM

    FoF- It’s no big deal he held out for more money. He’s not alone there and i don’t blame him. It’s just that this, coupled with his other nonsense, is what turns many people off. He knows what he’s doing. He’s a 20 year veteran. Too bad for him that Desmond Howard and Reggie White won that Super Bowl.

  25. jamesz23 says: Aug 26, 2010 10:23 AM

    I thought the Vikings just made ooooodles of money since Favre joined them? That’s what some of these posters whose life depends on Brett claim. Check out Forbes magazine, the Vikings team value went down again last year. The Packers stayed exactly the same, only team in the division to do so. Thought GB was hurting since he left?

  26. JerkStore says: Aug 26, 2010 10:26 AM

    FoF,
    Just as you’ve got everyone “figured out”, we’ve got you figured out. Make an excuse no matter what and create false certanties in your head that can’t be disproven. I’m sure the “haters” would’ve really killed him if he had said, “split that extra $4 mil between Sidney and AP, they deserve it.”
    If he really was a team player, came back for the guys, and it wasn’t about the money, surely he would’ve done something like that, no?
    Maybe you’re right, him saying it’s not about the money and then taking more money was his only choice. He could have secretly turned the money and then denied more money was offered in the first place, right?

  27. Omega says: Aug 26, 2010 10:26 AM

    The point that many of you seem to be missing is that when asked a direct question about a new contract Farve initially implied that there would not be an increase. Later in the week when asked Farve said yes that there would be an increase “but it is not about the money”
    I agree with Florio. It was, in part, about the money.
    I can’t help but think that this is not going to play well in the locker room. Young, emerging players would be very happy to have their contracts improved. These contracts can’t or won’t be redone. Once again Farve misses the entire camp. Comes in. Gets a sizable raise. Gets to start the third pre-season game.
    If the Vikes win it will be OK. If they start off poorly it could get real ugly.

  28. Claudio says: Aug 26, 2010 10:26 AM

    favre would suck an aids infested dick for a buck.

  29. sand0 says: Aug 26, 2010 10:33 AM

    Eight or nine QB’s in this league will make more than that this season. Favre is not only better than many of them, he also generates more team revenue and attention in other avenues, more than any player in the league.
    But pointing that out might not agree with the line that Brett isn’t just in it for the money. If he was, then why on earth would he be paid less than other teams pay for their guy.
    16 mil in base with up to 20 if they win it all is pretty fair salary from the Vikings perspective. Christ they got a steal on him last year for only 12 mil. If money was the biggest factor then Brett would make more, plain and simple.

  30. Bordner says: Aug 26, 2010 10:39 AM

    It may or may not be for the money, but if the Queens didn’t think he was worth it, they wouldn’t pay him. It’s not his fault for cashing the checks.
    @ Pedro – Desmond and Reggie were definitely forces in that game, but Favre threw for 25o yds, 2 TD’s and 1 rushing TD. They don’t win that game if the punky QB had been their starter.

  31. Scaevola says: Aug 26, 2010 10:39 AM

    I don’t begrudge Favre the money; the NFL makes quite a pretty penny off of him.

  32. ejmat says: Aug 26, 2010 10:40 AM

    BigBear123 says:
    August 26, 2010 9:54 AM
    Meanwhile Rice and AP are stuck with contracts they are unhappy with.
    APs contract is justified. When he stops fumbling and learns to block better than he will have an argument.
    Rice needs to have more than one year where the QB quite frankly made him into the WR he was in 2009 to be able to complain. Oh yeah, let’s not forget having surgery right before the season starts. At leasst Favre had it back when he would have a chance to play opening day.

  33. muchmaligned says: Aug 26, 2010 10:43 AM

    As expected? You posted an “article” not two weeks ago which stated exactly the opposite.
    No real football fan gives a good god damn what any player makes once the season starts. Those who do care are sycophants.
    The media is dead.

  34. jamesz23 says: Aug 26, 2010 10:51 AM

    I’d love to see the inside of FOF’s house probably the walls are just covered in enough Favre memorabilia to pay for Brittany’s way through school. Wow get over the guy he’s a football player whose been great for the game, 1 of the best ever no doubt, but he’s thrown 300 interceptions & is the opposite of Joe Montana in championship caliber games. Manning & Brady are better QBs than Brett Favre and those are just the active ones clearly better than #4.

  35. va4favre says: Aug 26, 2010 10:53 AM

    It’s nice to read some intelligent comments on this blog. Favre is underpaid even at $20M. He brings in higher ratings, more jersey sales and for MN, support for a new stadium. The latter is really his most important role for the Vikings this year. Tebow will finally knock Favre off of the top jersey sales, but only if he makes the team in Denver. Otherwise, Favre will be back on top by the end of the season. Fortunately, most fans love him. He is the most exciting NFL player to watch and the sorry media will miss him next year.

  36. PackFaninPackLand says: Aug 26, 2010 11:03 AM

    Florio: “It’s a good thing it’s not about the money. We’d hate to see how much he’d be making if it were about the money.”
    Gee, I wonder how much money Florio got for hooking up with NBC ???? Nahhhhhh, he probably did it for FREE !
    I love hypocrites.

  37. Ambrose says: Aug 26, 2010 11:04 AM

    The defensive-minded Favre-lovers are going to backpedal and turn on this egomaniac faster than you can say “maybe next year.” Wait and see… there will be enough “I told you so’s” to fill the “Mall of America Field at Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome as Hefty Trash Bag Park.”

  38. petro says: Aug 26, 2010 11:05 AM

    @Bordner- Fair point but his performance was still forgetable in that game. Clearly I’m a Favre hater but admit the guy is a HOF’er and had a great career. Just wish he’d stop being so dramatic and make up his mind. If he wanted more money, fine, no problem. Just don’t have 3 key players leave training camp and come to you. The Vikings will regret that as what are guys like AP going to say when their contarct comes up and they hold out?

  39. cusoman says: Aug 26, 2010 11:06 AM

    jamesz23 says:
    August 26, 2010 10:23 AM
    I thought the Vikings just made ooooodles of money since Favre joined them? That’s what some of these posters whose life depends on Brett claim. Check out Forbes magazine, the Vikings team value went down again last year. The Packers stayed exactly the same, only team in the division to do so. Thought GB was hurting since he left?
    —————–
    Uhhh, dude, you should actually read the whole article you refer to and realize that regardless of overall team value, profits are down for the entire NFL. Here’s a quote you conveniently forgot to mention:
    “As the only NFL team to publicly release financial information, the Packers are being held up by the league as a symbol of what is wrong with the collective bargaining agreement because of what the numbers show. Players costs rose from $111 million for the 2006 season to $161 million in 2009 while profits have steadily declined from $34 million to $10 million during the same period. The Packers hiked ticket prices $9 on average for this season to help offset rising player costs. Tickets had been the third cheapest before the increase according to the team.”
    In short, your team has the same greedy players like the Favre that is being painted in this PFT story that are fueling higher ticket prices and ownership costs across the league. Team value is only important to the owners, the profit margin is what us fans should be concerned about, as it changes merch costs and game ticket prices. And as far as revenue goes, the Vikings and Packers aren’t that far away from each other. $221 mil. versus $242 mil.
    Remember that the Vikings’ operating costs are higher because they’re currently spending more money to build a stronger brand with top tier players. You have to spend money (creating debt) to make money.

  40. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 11:11 AM

    canned heat, there wasn’t rational thought in your whole comment. what the vikes are trying to do, and i understand how this is confusing for you since the gay vampire is your g.m., is improving the roster year after year by all 3 methods available to teams – free agency, the draft and trades.
    spielman and childress came in 4 years ago and brought in players like steve hutchinson, jarred allen, brett favre, adrian peterson, percy harvin, sidney rice, etc. to upgrade the roster, which each one of them has. THAT is why the vikes have improved by 2 games each year since they took over and why they’ve won the division the last 2 years, won the last 3 games against the pckers and made it to the nfc title game last year.
    i don’t know where you get this “one shot” except more wishful thinking – all those players including favre was simply brought in to upgrade their positions. favre didn’t cost the vikes a single pick or player, only cash, which unlike the bachelor ted the vikings are willing to spend to improve the team.
    it’s really not that complicated, the vikings sign, draft or trade for pro bowl players on a regular basis. 9 pro bowlers last season and 4 all pros. and the vikes do it without ruining their cap. and btw, the vikes are like an average of 7 months older than the pckers so they’ll be making deep playoff runs year after year, when favre is gone they’ll repeat the process they’ve done with all the other positions and either sign or draft a top qb, my guess is they sign mcnabb next year.
    the reason the pckers don’t have all those pro bowl and all pro players and don’t keep improving year by year like the vikes and can’t beat the vikes or win the division or win any playoff games anymore is that aunty ted is trying to build on the cheap, plus he’s not capable of drafting like the vikes have.
    half this regime’s 1st round picks have been rookies of the year; ted has wasted 1st round picks on guys like harrell and top 10 picks on guys like hawk (horrible) and raji (didn’t start last year and has been invisible this year), and bulaga (12″ armed LT who they already gave up on at tackle and moved to guard).
    albino boy is average at best in the draft and when you’re too cheap to sign free agents to cover for the mistakes you’ve made in the draft you wind up like the pckers did last season with a horrible o-line and like you’re in this season with only 1 pass rusher and no healthy and good d-backs except for woodson.

  41. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 11:14 AM

    and favre has made so much more than 20 mill for the vikes, he was an unbelievable bargain. his jersey leads the league in sales, the vikes pro shop profits have gone thru the roof and they had to cut off season ticket sales already and only sell single games.
    the vikes profits have gone up exactly as much as the pckers have gone down since he left. the pckers profits were 20 mill with favre there and have gone down about a third each year he’s been gone, at this rate they’ll be losing money in 2 more years.

  42. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 11:19 AM

    “packers profits have steadily declined from $34 million to $10 million”, exactly, that’s a HUGE dropoff. you went from the nfcc game with favre to 17-15 with vanishing profits ever since.

  43. Majik Bullet says: Aug 26, 2010 11:25 AM

    # petro says: August 26, 2010 10:22 AM
    Too bad for him that Desmond Howard and Reggie White won that Super Bowl.
    ________________
    Really? While Howard and White played brilliantly, but I don’t remember either of them throwing for 250 yards and 2 TD’s, while rushing for another TD and throwing for a 2 pt. conversion.
    But whatever you need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better.

  44. d.b.cooper says: Aug 26, 2010 11:44 AM

    The Vikings rate right there at the bottom with the Eagles in terms of stupidity and foolishness.

  45. Contra says: Aug 26, 2010 11:44 AM

    petro says:
    August 26, 2010 10:22 AM
    Too bad for him that Desmond Howard and Reggie White won that Super Bowl.
    ————-
    HAHAHAHA – wow really!? REALLY!? 3 years ago Packer fans would say that it was FAVRE that won that game. Now, its Desmond Howard and Reggie White. Hilarious! How many time are the Packer fans going to rewrite the history books? Your post just made the entire fanbase more of a joke around the NFL than it already is.

  46. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 11:51 AM

    at least one thing that pcker fans viking fans can agree about is that the pckers will never accomplish anything as long as you’re stuck with tightwad ted.

  47. jamesz23 says: Aug 26, 2010 11:52 AM

    Honestly Super Bowl 31 MVP could have been won by any of the 3 – Favre, White, Howard. All were huge in the Packers victory.
    The reason the Patriots kept that game interesting for awhile is just like the next year against the Broncos, Mike Holmgren’s play calling.

  48. footballrulz says: Aug 26, 2010 12:03 PM

    I see now why Favre/Vike articles usually make the top 10. Contra/Gravy always has to come in with his multiple posts degrading the Packers. I’m beginning to think this idiot is a closet packer fan. I know he’s a closet TT lover. Can’t quit talking about him.
    Lay out of school today dude?

  49. jamesz23 says: Aug 26, 2010 12:13 PM

    Gravy what have the Vikings accomplished you made it as far as the 2007 version of the Packers, good job. You won the last 3 times against the Packers, before that the Packers had won numerous times in a row against Minnesota with Ted Thompson as GM.
    Aren’t McCarthy & Childress records almost exactly the same? Not understanding how the Vikings have accomplished so much more than the Packers during the time under Ted Thompson.
    And btw, do you remember the 2005 Packers? What that roster looked like? The defense was left in shambles by Mike Sherman.

  50. pkrlvr says: Aug 26, 2010 12:29 PM

    Every time you use Favre’s name to generate hits, baby jesus cries.

  51. cronn100 says: Aug 26, 2010 12:42 PM

    Mike Florio = Favre Hater
    Don’t deny it, dude.

  52. PackAttackBackMan says: Aug 26, 2010 12:47 PM

    I think Queen fans are counting their chickens before they hatch…..

  53. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 12:47 PM

    Aren’t McCarthy & Childress records almost exactly the same? Not understanding how the Vikings have accomplished so much more than the Packers during the time under Ted Thompson.
    ***********************
    james, i’m not saying childress is any better of a coach than mccarthy, i don’t think either one of them are that good but tt is worse at his job then either one of them.
    what the vikes regime has accomplished has been a steady upgrade of the roster culminating last season in 9 pro bowl players and 4 all pros and a steady improvement in wins, improving by 2 wins every year since they took over and culminating in the nfc title game last year. half of their 1st round picks have been rookie of the year and in 4 years they’ve drafted 3 players who were in the pro bowl last year, not to mention pro bowlers they got from free agency or by trade like hutchinson, allen, favre etc.
    thompson hasn’t done as well in the draft (harrell and top 10 picks hawk and raji) and he just doesn’t sign pro bowl type free agents except once in 5 years and recently he basically hasn’t signed anybody.
    i just think a g.m. is what his record is and in tt’s case that’s a few games over .500 and 1 playoff win in 5 years. there’s a reason the vikes have improved steadily and why they’ve dominated the pckers the last few years and i believe that reason is your g.m.
    thompson

  54. frank booth says: Aug 26, 2010 12:49 PM

    Contra says:
    petro says:
    August 26, 2010 10:22 AM
    Too bad for him that Desmond Howard and Reggie White won that Super Bowl.
    ————-
    HAHAHAHA – wow really!? REALLY!? 3 years ago Packer fans would say that it was FAVRE that won that game. Now, its Desmond Howard and Reggie White. Hilarious! How many time are the Packer fans going to rewrite the history books? Your post just made the entire fanbase more of a joke around the NFL than it already is.
    ===================================
    Not a Packer or Viking fan- But the Packer fanbase is pretty well respected as being one of the most supportive fan groups, while Minnesotans are widely regarded as fair weather fans. It was a different breed of fan back in the days of Bud Grant and the old Met, and when Favre leaves, you’ll see a lot of people hop off of the bandwagon. Funny how the once hated Favre is now such a big hero in Minnesota that they will just let him trample all over them, but I guess that’s just mousey Minnesota fans for you.

  55. PackAttackBackMan says: Aug 26, 2010 12:49 PM

    I think Queen fans are counting their chickens before they hatch…..

  56. NoRingsForYou says: Aug 26, 2010 12:51 PM

    Gravy – What do you care more about….how much money Favre adds to the Wilf’s fourtune, or winning a Super Bowl? Favre took the Vikings exaclty as far as Cunningham and Culpepper. One game short. No rings for you.

  57. Contra says: Aug 26, 2010 12:52 PM

    footballrulz says:
    August 26, 2010 12:03 PM
    I see now why Favre/Vike articles usually make the top 10. Contra/Gravy always has to come in with his multiple posts degrading the Packers. I’m beginning to think this idiot is a closet packer fan. I know he’s a closet TT lover. Can’t quit talking about him.
    Lay out of school today dude?
    ———-
    Hahaha, didnt you have some theory that I was posting as someone else? Now you think Gravy and I are the same poster? Also, didnt you say something bad was going to happen to me in 3 weeks? you said that 4 weeks ago. At least be consistent with your idiotic rants!

  58. alphamail says: Aug 26, 2010 12:54 PM

    Don’t forget the $10 million the Packers paid him to rip the Vikings’ hearts out in the 11th hour, and to mess with their heads in preseason.

  59. Beer N Donuts says: Aug 26, 2010 12:58 PM

    # Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: August 26, 2010 10:05 AM
    “I mean shouldn’t every team be doing everything possible to improve their team and get the right people on the field?”
    not the green bay pckers, cuz the gay vampire only “builds from within” and if he doesn’t get the home team discounts he’s demanding, he won’t even re-sign pckers contracts starting next year. if you let a tightwad albino build your team for 5 years all you get is 2 winning seasons and 1 playoff win.
    Boy, I don’t really want to step into this mess of a rivalry, but in the last five seasons haven’t the Vikings had 3 winning seasons and 1 playoff win? Doesn’t seem like a strong argument against building from within assuming the Vikings are held to the standard of building through trades/FA while also building from within.

  60. TedTheSledge says: Aug 26, 2010 1:00 PM

    lutefisk makes mudducks stupid sez-
    “at least one thing that pcker fans viking fans can agree about is that the pckers will never accomplish anything as long as you’re stuck with tightwad ted.”
    Wow for a queens fan you sure are concerned about the pack’s GM! Of course if he was available tomorrow Wilf would clean house and offer him the moon to come in and save the queenies. Wilfy knows who the better organization is and he cries himself to sleep over it every night, he would gladly trade the tridumberate of failure for TT but ….. ain’t gonna happen.

  61. thirdandgoal says: Aug 26, 2010 1:10 PM

    I wasn’t around here last year at this time, but there seems to be a whole lot of people who are convinced that Favre is going to fail miserably. Were they just as convinced a year ago? Were they eating their measure of crow, all the way up to that fatal int vs. N.O.? I still say the old man can compete with the studs of the league, and until his play proves otherwise, deserves comparable compensation. Simple as that.

  62. Ambrose says: Aug 26, 2010 1:13 PM

    Contra says:
    August 26, 2010 11:44 AM
    HAHAHAHA – wow really!? REALLY!? 3 years ago Packer fans would say that it was FAVRE that won that game
    ———————————————
    Wrong again. You’re like so many other nouveau-riche Favre fans, newly influenced to the Favre aura, and not expected to be familiar with how long ago Favre began to fade from his exulted status in Green Bay. He’s good certainly, and he performed effectively in the SB victory. But if you watched it, you saw a pedestrian performance….a top 20 QB in the league type of performance. He wanted a lifelong appointment to the role and didn’t get it. That spells bye-bye everywhere in NFL but Minnesota. Last year was memorable for you, forgettable to everybody else.

  63. Percy Headachin says: Aug 26, 2010 1:16 PM

    honestly can we stop with all the favre updates please.

  64. Canned Heat says: Aug 26, 2010 1:17 PM

    Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says:
    August 26, 2010 11:51 AM
    at least one thing that pcker fans viking fans can agree about is that the pckers will never accomplish anything as long as you’re stuck with tightwad ted.
    ___________________________________
    I don’t disagree too much with that and I think there’s a short window left here for TT to get it figured out….2, maybe 3 years…tops. If there’s not steady improvement and/or play-off appearances, it’s going to get pretty hard for TT to hold onto his job. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say the next 2 or 3 aren’t Super Bowl or Bust years. Rodgers is probably at or close to his prime and it needs to happen soon. But, keep in mind…there’s a very high percentage of GM’s in this league that have done a far worse job than TT over the last 5 years. All-in-all….TT’s demise may come from his insistence on not getting any high caliber free agents into the picture in Green Bay…and there have been a hell of alot of chances.
    On a side note, the Vikes have done an insane job on FA acquisitions and drafting over the same stretch. It will be interesting to see what is left when these guys’ contracts are all set to come to a close.

  65. huegtoad says: Aug 26, 2010 1:22 PM

    you know why favre still plays at such a high level, in 1992 he asked god to input up down up down left right left right b a select start before the season started and BOOM he has 99 lives!!!
    the guy sure knows how to manipulate and play the game. i hate him too but i won’t bash him because all my despisment is basically just jealousy. Jealous he has made the bears his biatch. Jealous he has played for so long. Jealous that he is such a good self promoter. Jealous at his physical condition that allows him good health throughout. Jealous that he can act like a whining undecisive jerk off and get a 6 million dollar raise out of it. The man’s good at what he does, unfortunatly everything he does pisses me off!!!

  66. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 1:31 PM

    “Doesn’t seem like a strong argument against building from within”
    what the hell does “building from within” even mean??? does it mean you get to use the draft?? is ted thompson the only g.m. in the league allowed to use the draft in compensation for his refusal to use free agency or the draft???
    guess what, the vikes get to use the draft too, and they use it to draft rookies of the year and pro bowlers.
    but if “building from within” means you can’t also get pro bowlers via free agency or trades, no thanks. the vikes have improved by drafting players like adrian peterson, sidney rice and percy harvin but do you think it’s possible they also improved by signing players like steve hutchinson, jarred allen and brett favre? not to mention longwell, shiancoe, pat williams, winfield, ben leber, chester taylor, etc???
    you think it’s possible that one of the reasons it’s been the vikes that have won the division the last 2 years and beat the packers 3 straight instead of the other way around is that the vikes are willing to spend on free agents as well as use the draft??
    it’s not an either/or, you’re allowed to draft players AND sign players/trade for players. and just like the draft, you can either be good at it and sign good players or be bad at it and sign busts. the 2 extremes in free agency or dan gilbert who does it too much and badly and ted thompson who doesn’t do it at all, and both are wrong. the vikes and most other teams have found a happy medium between the 2.
    but this “improving from within” is nothing but a euphemism for being too cheap or too poor to spend.

  67. JAYO MOFO says: Aug 26, 2010 1:33 PM

    He deserves it, plain and simple!
    Hey, wouldn’t you take more money? If he is one of the BEST IN THE WORLD at what he does … why doesn’t he deserve it.
    P.S. PACKERS BLOW!

  68. superb owl says: Aug 26, 2010 1:37 PM

    last 4 years…
    vikes 36-28 then 1-2 in playoffs = 37-30
    pack 38-26 then 1-2 in playoffs = 39-28
    special for favre fans…
    gb 2006-7, nyj 2008, min 2009 = 42-22 then 2-2 in playoffs (both fateful season ending picks, however) = 44-24
    gb 2008-9, min 2006-7 = 31-33 then 0-1 playoffs = 31-34
    pack under mc less favre = 17-16
    vikes under chilly less favre = 24-25
    i’d take mccarthy as a coach over chilly

  69. Percy Headachin says: Aug 26, 2010 1:39 PM

    You know gravey, Tightwad ted is actually doing a great job. We have a team under budget, projected to win a superbowl, and loaded with young and old talent. With the financial future of the league in doubt that is a great accomplishment. So you really are quite wrong.

  70. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 1:41 PM

    good comment, canned heat. i actually wasn’t positive packer fans would agree with my comment but you are clearly a more enlightened and knowledgeable commenter than TedTheSledge on this issue.

  71. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 1:44 PM

    contra, i wouldn’t even bother trying with footballrulz, the senile old guy clings to his delusions like a mule.

  72. sacdaddy says: Aug 26, 2010 1:50 PM

    That’s A LOT of money for a game losing INT in the 4th quarter of the Divisional playoffs.

  73. HankScorpio says: Aug 26, 2010 1:57 PM

    Everyone should listen to Brett Favre with the understanding that what he says is technically true but fundamentally a lie.
    For example, “It’s not about the money” really means that it is about the respect that is shown by getting lots of money.

  74. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 2:00 PM

    Percy Headachin says: August 26, 2010 1:39 PM
    You know gravey, Tightwad ted is actually doing a great job. We have a team under budget.
    ***************************
    if you’re an accountant you probly love the pckers under ted thompson. if you care about winning, probly not so much.
    like i said, the vikes have improved by 2 games every year chili and spielman have been here. you know who’s won the division the last 2 years and who’s won the last 3 games they’ve played.
    if having a team under budget makes you happy, good for you. vikes fans prefer actually winning games.

  75. petro says: Aug 26, 2010 2:06 PM

    Don’t lump me in with you boring overweight mid-west types. I’m not a Packer nor a Viking fan. Favre may have had good numbers in that Super Bowl but if they were that good, why wasn’t he MVP when normally the voters always look to give it to the QB as evidenced by Eli against the pats? Justin Tuck was clearly the MVP of that game.

  76. RC IV says: Aug 26, 2010 2:08 PM

    Ambrose says:
    August 26, 2010 11:04 AM
    The defensive-minded Favre-lovers are going to backpedal and turn on this egomaniac faster than you can say “maybe next year.” Wait and see… there will be enough “I told you so’s” to fill the “Mall of America Field at Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome as Hefty Trash Bag Park.”
    ———————-
    Wrong again. You’re like so many other nouveau-riche Favre fans, newly influenced to the Favre aura, and not expected to be familiar with how long ago Favre began to fade from his exulted status in Green Bay. He’s good certainly, and he performed effectively in the SB victory. But if you watched it, you saw a pedestrian performance….a top 20 QB in the league type of performance. He wanted a lifelong appointment to the role and didn’t get it. That spells bye-bye everywhere in NFL but Minnesota. Last year was memorable for you, forgettable to everybody else.
    ===========================
    Jesus, there goes Ambrose again. Dude you got to be in your late 60′s and are still crying over this?
    In the heat of the night is on WGN right now.
    Aren’t you supposed to take your metamucil and pills when that’s on?
    Jesus, I’ve never seen someone whine about favre this much.

  77. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 2:20 PM

    i take it back, even an accountant wouldn’t love ted thompson – packers profits have dropped from $34 million to $10 million since he traded favre. the vikes meanwhile have seen a huge increase in merchandise revenue since favre arrived and cut off season ticket sales this week, all you can get now are single game tix.

  78. sand0 says: Aug 26, 2010 2:31 PM

    I’ve come to realize that the Packer fanbase feels entitled to the spotlight that is on the Vikings right now. Every thread somehow is about them in their minds. Look how popular we are. These articles are about us!
    Think how hilarious it would be if actual analysts and sports broadcasters followed the logic of these diva Packer fans that stalk the Vikings constantly.
    “Well Jim, the Vikings have a strong looking team this season and of course, Brett Favre.”
    “Yeah I know Bob but you have to keep in mind that this team’s fanbase is total suxors. Look at the Packers. I mean, just look and talk about them. Why isn’t anybody talking more about them. Look at us and talk about us now. Okay now. We were better once than they are now so why wouldn’t that be the main topic?”
    “Jim, you’re creepin a bit”
    “Favre choke fumble LA sell out disgrace…oo oo ee ah ah ah” At this point the Packer fan analyst just starts flinging poo in all caps.

  79. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 2:34 PM

    i’m reading more and more comments complaining about florio doing too many posts on favre and the vikes and not enough on the pckers or other teams, you know what you guys should do seriously? just boycott viking threads until florio starts distributing his stories more fairly.
    hit him in the pocketbook. i’m being totally serious. if you refuse to give him your clicks on viking threads he’ll stop doing so many. just get organized and boycott viking threads. footballrulz can be your picket captain if you wake him up and point his scooter in the right direction.

  80. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 2:47 PM

    superb owl, my point is more about ted thompson than chili vs. mccarthy, i don’t think either one of them are great coaches, but why don’t you repost your won-loss stats for tt’s 5 years as g.m. vs. the vikes 4 years under spielman/chili?

  81. william sizemore says: Aug 26, 2010 2:50 PM

    Another slow news day, try going 2 days with out the #4 update, the world won’t end. Bill

  82. Walleyeman says: Aug 26, 2010 3:15 PM

    Why would they pay him so much when Rodgers is the best QB ever,
    “Through 32 starts, Aaron Rodgers is off to the best beginning to a career of any quarterback in NFL history”

  83. FoF says: Aug 26, 2010 3:18 PM

    petro: “He’s a 20 year veteran. Too bad for him that Desmond Howard and Reggie White won that Super Bowl.”
    lol, okay. Favre’s 3 TDs in the first half, including a 50 yard pass and an 80 yard pass had nothing to do with that win.
    You got me. lolz

  84. P-townPacker says: Aug 26, 2010 3:21 PM

    @ Gravy and Contra
    Quit living in the past (2 division titles, blah, blah, blah); it’s about the future. Isn’t that what you guys say when someone brings up the 12 Championships? But I have to give you credit, you sure are on top of those jersey sales, lol.
    You guys just don’t get it.

  85. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 3:23 PM

    goombar, if free agency bothers you that much just write to the vikes and ask them to give back hutchinson, allen, etc. and ask the jets to give back jim leonard and bart scott and all the other teams that are greedily buying free agents and ask if everybody would please just “improve from within” like tightwad ted to make things more fair.
    and if you really think all those teams you mentioned “stay away from free agency”, you’re dreaming. google it. no other team comes close to ted’s terror of free agents, the only ones i can think of off the top of my head that he’s signed in the last 2 years was somebody named duck preston and some aussie rules football player.
    so again, my question to you is: do you think it’s possible that one of the reasons it’s been the vikes that have won the division the last 2 years and beat the packers 3 straight instead of the other way around is that the vikes are willing to spend on free agents as well as use the draft?

  86. goombar2 says: Aug 26, 2010 3:27 PM

    I don’t hope Favre gets killed. I don’t even wish injury on the guy. It’s a topic because of his age and lack of an offensive line and Wrs.
    But he is a trader to the Pack organization that developed him when nobody else wanted him. They did help him over come his drug and alcohol problem and his maturity problems.
    He is a trader to his fans in Wisconsin who came together multiple times to give to his charities to fight breast cancer, then to help with the Gulf coast. We mourned with him the passing of his father and we celebrated the man when he first retired.
    But Favre has gone a different path. He now is the “enemy” and is a hired gun by our divisional opponent. To make it out as you’d like might make you folks feel better about Favre and your team, but it’s not how Packer fans feel.
    Again, vike fans just don’t want to face the truth. It’s better to believe lies than ask for a real competitive team with real values and a real shot at winning. As a franchise you guys have been welfare mothers. You can talk rivalry all you want, but until you actually win something… It’s not really a rivalry – you’re just a thorn in our side.

  87. RC IV says: Aug 26, 2010 3:28 PM

    footballrulz can be your picket captain if you wake him up and point his scooter in the right direction.
    ==========================Sorry rulz but this line was fricking hilarious!
    Nice job gravy!!

  88. Fred Finstad says: Aug 26, 2010 3:30 PM

    If it’s not the money, Bart, I mean Brett, why don’t you donate half of your salary to charity. Then and only then will I believe it.
    GO PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PS: They probably could use some more money down in New Orleans for Katrina clean up yet!!!

  89. FoF says: Aug 26, 2010 3:35 PM

    Walleyeman says:
    August 26, 2010 3:15 PM
    Why would they pay him so much when Rodgers is the best QB ever,
    “Through 32 starts, Aaron Rodgers is off to the best beginning to a career of any quarterback in NFL history”
    Really? I would wager that Flacco is much more successful, going 3-2 in the Playoffs already in only his 2nd year. His TRUE second year. He is not a 6 year NFL veteran like Rodgers.

  90. goombar2 says: Aug 26, 2010 3:40 PM

    I’d really like some input from vike fans as I’m putting together a list to commemorate the 50 years of failure you’re organization has given the NFL.
    I’m thinking the killing of Stringer by your incompetent medical staff is probably #1, but where does the ranking of the love boat incident to say the Herschel Walker trade rank? Or the Jeff George project to the Randall Cunningham project as future QB stupidity sort out?
    Oh, and the not picking a player in the draft a second time (consecutive years by the way) to the Randy Ratio…
    My biggest fear too… So many failures and all I can list are the top 50! Obviously I’m gonna have to drop bunches and bunches and that’s sure to anger everyone, huh?

  91. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 3:42 PM

    “Through 32 starts, Aaron Rodgers is off to the best beginning to a career of any quarterback in NFL history”
    17-15 is the best beginning in nfl history????

  92. Walleyeman says: Aug 26, 2010 3:47 PM

    The Redskins buy alot of free agents, Hmmm.

  93. goombar2 says: Aug 26, 2010 3:56 PM

    I have no problem with FA, neither do the Packers. DPOY Charles Woodson was a FA. So to was Pickett and Brandon Chillar. Two huge cogs and a situational player in our #2 ranked defense. I just don’t think 1/3 of a roster should be built on it or you end up with what the vikes have now. Differing the salary of Favre into future years. Essentially, you’re future is a 41 yo player who’ll the vikes will pay after he’s done playing. Not bright.
    No, I think it has nothing to do with FA. The first year that you won the division was the year Favre retired, turned our mini camp into a circus, and we had some pretty big injuries. 11 starters I believe. Those things happen, it’s not something I’d use as a long term excuse, but it is what it is.
    This last year it was a hard fought division. We’re young and it’s a growing pains thing. But as the year went on the Pack got better (7-1). Not the same with the vikes though…
    Loses to the bears, which we swept, close games with the lions, lose to the Panthers, Favre’s slump til he finally ends your season – the in fighting with Childress. Hard to believe you folks are looking forward to another season really? Perhaps you guys should just be happy for this last one! I mean, come on – not like you really think you could win the Super Bowl or anything?

  94. cusoman says: Aug 26, 2010 3:57 PM

    Lol sando… Man that is spot freaking on. We need to get some semi professional actors to do that in a skit, I think that would be a sensation!

  95. Beer N Donuts says: Aug 26, 2010 4:00 PM

    Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: August 26, 2010 1:31 PM
    “Doesn’t seem like a strong argument against building from within”
    what the hell does “building from within” even mean??? does it mean you get to use the draft?? is ted thompson the only g.m. in the league allowed to use the draft in compensation for his refusal to use free agency or the draft???
    guess what, the vikes get to use the draft too, and they use it to draft rookies of the year and pro bowlers….
    I was simply trying to point out, objectively, that regardless of the Packers and Vikings methods, the results are very similar when using your criteria, which was that the Packers had 2 winning seasons in the past five years (the Vikes had three) and only one playoff win (same as the Vikes).
    By your argument, you could say that Minnesota has fielded the better team, especially over the past two seasons, but given your five year window and your criteria, the results have been relatively close.
    I know you realized this because in your reply you added a lot of additional criteria, and it’s easy to say that Minnesota has been the better team over the past two seasons, but neither team is remarkably better than the other. Free agents and trades can improve a team, but they can sink a team too. Conversely, you can build a team through the draft as long as you draft well, or you can be like the Rams (sorry Ram fan) and draft poorly year after year.
    Minnesota and Green Bay have both drafted, signed free agents, and traded players over the past five years and should both make the playoffs with the potential to go all the way to the SB. I don’t see much of a difference between the two teams at this point, objectively speaking of course.
    Now feel free to subjectively tell the world how your Vikes will (insert greatness here). To be fair, Pack fans can do the same.
    I will say this though: the window for Minnesota is closing, so if they’re gonna win it all, they’d better do it this season.

  96. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 4:11 PM

    “I’m thinking the killing of Stringer by your incompetent medical staff is probably #1″
    wow, you take football waaay too seriously. it’s supposed to be fun not make you go all psycho with comments like that. if it brings up this much anger in you maybe you should find a more soothing sport to watch.

  97. Pervy *Harvin says: Aug 26, 2010 4:26 PM

    “You cannot blame porn. When I was young, I used to masturbate to Gilligan’s Island.” -Supersuckers
    “Above all others I pity the homeless: where can they go to masturbate?” – Supersuckers

  98. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 4:38 PM

    “I was simply trying to point out, objectively, that regardless of the Packers and Vikings methods, the results are very similar”
    whereas i don’t think the results have been similar; i have seen the vikings on a steady trajectory upward in the 4 years of the current g.m./h.c. regime. the roster has improved every year by adding pro bowl players through the draft and through free agency and trade, peaking at 9 pro bowlers last season. and i don’t think it’s a coincidence that the team’s won-loss record has also improved every year – 2 games every year – during that same period. explain to me how the packers have had that same trajectory during that same period, either with pro bowl players or won-loss record?
    “Minnesota and Green Bay have both drafted, signed free agents, and traded players over the past five years”
    vikings: steve hutchinson, jarred allen and brett favre, ryan longwell, visanthe shiancoe, pat williams, antoine winfield, ben leber, chester taylor, heath shuler. that group includes 6 current or former pro bowlers.
    now, give me the names of the free agents and the number of them that are pro bowlers that tightwad ted has signed.
    what people like you who pretend that not using free agency is a “method” of building a team can never explain is simply – no matter what you do in the draft, HOW does adding free agents like the list above – all pro and pro bowl players – HURT a team? i’m not talking financially, i’m talking about the TEAM. you can’t answer how using free agency to add impact players hurts the team, cuz it doesn’t.
    you can claim it’s somehow less pure than using only drafted players or that free agency is a bad thing in general. but as far as upgrading your roster, it’s no better or worse or more or less risky than the draft. top ten busts with ridiculous guaranteed salary happens all the time, just like free agency busts.
    free agency is a tool that can be used wisely or stupidly, but to not use it at all makes no sense and happens when the g.m. is too cheap or the team is too poor to afford it.
    do you wanna try answering my question none of the thompson apologists want to touch?
    do you think it’s possible that one of the reasons it’s been the vikes that have won the division the last 2 years and beat the packers 3 straight instead of the other way around is that the vikes are willing to spend on free agents as well as draft picks??

  99. frank booth says: Aug 26, 2010 4:44 PM

    Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says:
    i take it back, even an accountant wouldn’t love ted thompson – packers profits have dropped from $34 million to $10 million since he traded favre. the vikes meanwhile have seen a huge increase in merchandise revenue since favre arrived and cut off season ticket sales this week, all you can get now are single game tix.
    ===================================
    Hard to believe that you can still get season tickets for a team that went to the NFC Championship last year and has so much buzz about it. What a loyal group of fans, who will drop their season tix the minute that Favre leaves or things turn down slightly.
    The Packers have a 40 year wait list for season tix, the Bears 15, and even the Lions have a 1 year waiting list.
    The Vikings have the 4th smallest stadium in professional football. You would think that these great football fans would be able to fill it.
    Without L.A. in the mix, Viking fans are the biggest fair weather fans in the league.

  100. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 4:47 PM

    what’s the point of g.m.’s saving cap space they never use?? after that year, it’s gone. why do you people act like being thrifty is such a virtue or that good players from the draft have halos over their heads whereas good free agents have horns??
    the answer is cuz your g.m. won’t sign pro bowl free agents so you’re trying to make the best of it.
    but don’t pretend you wouldn’t take a steve hutchinson if t.t. signed him or a jarred allen if he traded for him or an antoine winfield or pat williams or yes even a ryan longwell.
    you thompson apologists like to defend him for signing a pro bowl free agent once – ONCE – when he signed woodson, and then pretend that woodson was the only worthy free agent in the last 5 years since he’s the only one thompson has signed. it’s justs not logical or honest. but go ahead, tell me how glad you are that he doesn’t sign more and you don’t have a hutchinson, allen, winfield, williams, or longwell.
    once again, it’s not an either/or situation. if you sign free agents you’re still allowed to draft, and you don’t go to hell.

  101. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Aug 26, 2010 4:56 PM

    “I will say this though: the window for Minnesota is closing, so if they’re gonna win it all, they’d better do it this season.”
    yawn. this is the most trite and transparent cliche of all the ones that the viking haters trot out. of course they better do it this year, cuz they don’t have any talented young players that they keep drafting year after year and this regime has no history of going out and getting the players they need. whereas the pckers don’t have any old starters (ahemwoodson, clifton, tauscher, that old db whathisname).
    you are hereby banned from using the words “window” or “closing” in the same sentence until further notice.

  102. Ambrose says: Aug 26, 2010 5:24 PM

    RC IV says: August 26, 2010 2:08 PM
    I’ve never seen someone whine about favre this much
    —————————————————————
    I’m trying to save you the embarrassment of admitting we are right about him.

  103. cronn100 says: Aug 26, 2010 5:41 PM

    PackAttackBackMan says: “I think Queen fans are counting their chickens before they hatch…..”
    Puker Fan Alert!!! you have not already won the SB… lol. THE TRUTH: You probably won’t lose many games because of your offense, but with that defense, you’d better put up 40 a game if you plan on a W… lol

  104. Pervy *Harvin says: Aug 26, 2010 7:40 PM

    Ambrose says: I’m trying to save you the embarrassment of admitting we are right about him.
    ————————————————–
    Right about what Ambrose?? That Favre would have the best season statistically as a Viking? That he would demolish the worthless Packers twice on the way to the NFC North title? Let me guess,you predicted Favre would loose a big game for us in the playoffs? Wrong ass munch, Favre didn’t loose it for us in NO. We all know why that game got away from us. You Packer fans just can’t stand Favre because you know that knob polisher QB of yours is only a stat guy….he will never win a division title or greater…
    Favre is a legend, Rodgers will be forgotten after an average career at best…suck that and remember I said it!!

  105. TuffPEX says: Aug 26, 2010 7:43 PM

    goombar2 says:
    August 26, 2010 3:27 PM
    But he is a trader to the Pack organization
    He is a trader to his fans
    Differing the salary of Favre into future years.
    ———————————————-
    Dude you have a serious English language problem…
    Trader? I go to Trader Joes to buy food and such (of course you Sconnies may not have such high falutin stores).
    I think you mean Trator.. Look it up.
    Differing… That means comparing like items and understnading their differences…
    I think you mean Deferring… Look it up

  106. Contra says: Aug 26, 2010 8:32 PM

    P-townPacker says:
    August 26, 2010 3:21 PM
    @ Gravy and Contra
    Quit living in the past (2 division titles, blah, blah, blah); it’s about the future. Isn’t that what you guys say when someone brings up the 12 Championships? But I have to give you credit, you sure are on top of those jersey sales, lol.
    You guys just don’t get it.
    ————-
    No, we get that its the unfortunate Packer fans who dont get it. Must be nice living in fantasyland hoping that one day the Packers will return to the Packers of old. Vikings fans are the realists while Packer fans are the dreamers. You guys love to live in the world you paint. Its hilarious to the other fan bases…cute really!

  107. muchmaligned says: Aug 26, 2010 9:21 PM

    @tuffpex,
    Uh… um… never mind.

  108. Beer N Donuts says: Aug 26, 2010 10:02 PM

    Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: August 26, 2010 4:38 PM
    “I was simply trying to point out, objectively, that regardless of the Packers and Vikings methods, the results are very similar”
    whereas i don’t think the results have been similar; i have seen the vikings on a steady trajectory upward in the 4 years of the current g.m./h.c. regime. the roster has improved every year by adding pro bowl players through the draft and through free agency and trade, peaking at 9 pro bowlers last season. and i don’t think it’s a coincidence that the team’s won-loss record has also improved every year – 2 games every year – during that same period. explain to me how the packers have had that same trajectory during that same period, either with pro bowl players or won-loss record?
    We could sit and pick this apart for hours, and while you’re game for it, I just don’t have that kind of time. I don’t know who from GB has been in the Pro Bowl and who hasn’t, so I won’t debate the point (but I’ll guess that GBs numbers have been far fewer otherwise you wouldn’t keep talking about it).
    I don’t know GBs roster intimately, but it is my understanding that Charles Woodson came via free agency, as did Pickett. Ryan Grant came via trade. To my knowledge neither Pickett nor Grant have been Pro Bowlers, but Woodson has done well. Conversely, the Vikings have made some excellent acquisitions via free agency and trades. I wasn’t debating that point earlier though you keep wanting to talk about it. :S
    Finally, regarding the upward trajectory, it’s my understanding that Childress took a step back in his first year as HC, understandable as sometimes a new coach needs to clean house.
    In 2007, they drafted Adrian Peterson (plus I’m sure they added other players that you don’t need to tell me about) and if he isn’t worth a two game bump, I don’t know who is.
    In 2008, they had an average offense but a dominating defense, going 10-6 and winning the division in the same year that the NFC North was awful (but wins are wins, so don’t assume that I’m taking anything away from the Vikes).
    In 2009, they added Favre, a top 10 (top 5?) all time QB they had to play straight because of Peterson. It seemed as though they’d end up with 13 or 14 wins but they had a rough December (it happens) and finished 12-4 and a top team in the NFL.
    All that makes sense to me.
    As for GB, the talent cupboard was pretty bare in 2005, so they flat out sucked and commenced with the house cleaning.
    2006 brought in the new HC, a new philosophy, and they gained 4 games to go 8-8.
    2007 they rode the hot hands of Ryan Grant (seriously) in the 2nd half of the season to a 13-3 record. Plus some guy named Favre won some games in the clutch.
    2008 they chucked Favre to the curb, promoted Rodgers, and predictably took a step backward (this is important later), finishing 6-10.
    2009 Rodgers adjusted and they finished 1 game behind the Vikes at 11-5 (no need to mention that the Vikes swept GB, we already know).
    Hopefully that answers the question you asked earlier: they stepped backward because they had to break in a new QB. It was a 1 year hardship for (presumably) 5-10 years of stable QB play barring injury. GB isn’t good enough to get to the SB this year (sorry Packer fan), but they should compete (that doesn’t mean win) for the NFC North title.
    The ‘window’ cliche is valid because the Vikings relied heavily on Favre in 2009 and will need to in 2010. Once he’s gone, it’s reasonable (reasonable) to expect Minnesota to fall back a couple of games. They can go out and get another QB, but all time great QBs don’t hit the FA market very often and Minnesota will be too good of a team this year to snag one in the 2011 draft.
    Minnesota is a great team with Favre, and a good team without him, but good won’t get them to the Super Bowl (hence the ‘window’ reference).
    Gravy, I’ll give you the last word since I know you’ll have it anyway.

  109. footballrulz says: Aug 26, 2010 11:57 PM

    Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says:
    August 26, 2010 1:44 PM
    contra, i wouldn’t even bother trying with footballrulz, the senile old guy clings to his delusions like a mule.
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    Contra/Gravvy
    You know talking to yourself makes you look like an idiot–course, THAT’S NOT SURPRISING, since you are..
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    RC IV says:
    August 26, 2010 3:28 PM
    footballrulz can be your picket captain if you wake him up and point his scooter in the right direction.
    ==================== ======Sorry rulz but this line was fricking hilarious!
    Nice job gravy!!
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    Sorry Chicken– you could fart something better that that on your worst day–you must be slippin dude–or Super must be gettin to ya.
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    Contra/Gravy–again, you claim to be 20 & have an MBA. Actually, you are a yellow dribble on the underside of the toilet bowl lid of life. Not even good enough to be a splash on top of the ring. BTW, Mules do not have opposing thumbs so they cannot cling. Think–idiot!!!
    IDIOT!!!!!!

  110. Brewdogg says: Aug 27, 2010 4:12 AM

    # Walleyeman says: August 26, 2010 3:15 PM
    Why would they pay him so much when Rodgers is the best QB ever,
    “Through 32 starts, Aaron Rodgers is off to the best beginning to a career of any quarterback in NFL history”
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    Really? Didn’t Marino make the SB in his second year? And didn’t Big Ben win one his rookie year? Seems to me that the fan of a team whose entire fan base screams “12 championships” and “chokers” every time a comparison between the two teams is made would have taken that into account….. Maybe it’s just me.

  111. Brewdogg says: Aug 27, 2010 4:16 AM

    And Gravy…. We get it. While I commend you for more information to share and less insulting and provoking, I think you are overusing your pieces of info a little….. Next points for us to consider please?

  112. Dial-A-Cliche says: Aug 27, 2010 1:47 PM

    JimmySmith says:
    If any Viking fan truly takes Farve at his word that it is not about the money, then I have a bridge over here in Brooklyn that’s for sale.
    Ok, he played the Vikings like a fiddle to the tune of $4 to $8 million extra, can’t even blame Favre for that. What I find so entertaining is the Viking fans rationalization for pulling their pants all the way down to their ankles. But given their real life experience in that area, I guess it is more than logical.
    __________________________________
    With the exception of Ambrose, the rest of you poor Packer Children appear to know nothing about business – especially the “business” of running an NFL team. You ‘see’ the obvious, you ‘jump’ on the obvious and your thoughts and opinions reflect you have a tremendous grasp of the obvious! You care only about the numbers on the scoreboard. The NFL and the team owners care about a different set of numbers…
    It is no secret that the Wilfs cleaned up last season – in spite of having a sub-par stadium. How did that happen?
    Well… they sold a ton of season tickets, an insane amount of merchandise – especially jerseys (care to guess which number?) and made extra television revenue dollars for the NFL and for themselves on and on and on…
    So if any of you were running a team that suddenly made an extra hundred million because of one “drama queen” you would not want to see that walk away. You’d embarrass yourselves by putting up with the drama, and then laugh all the way to the bank. You’d do whatever it took and if that meant giving the drama queen him a little taste of the money- you’d happily do that too! too! It makes for a good return on a small investment. It even makes extra monies for everyone from Florio to Yahoo sports, the Networks, the Jersey vendors in the malls and in the stadiums, parking and on and on.
    The drama queen is enabling the wealthy to get a little bit wealthier… while we bash away at each other and get a lot poorer!

  113. Ilovefoolsball says: Aug 27, 2010 2:42 PM

    what a gold digger! he’s gonna raid the vikings cabinet for all it’s worth and leave them holding the bag! haha what a bunch of poor saps up there in minnesota, they’ll buy snake oil from anyone.
    lombardi trophies: Minnesota=O

  114. Dial-A-Cliche says: Aug 27, 2010 3:39 PM

    Ilovefoolsball says:
    what a gold digger! he’s gonna raid the vikings cabinet for all it’s worth and leave them holding the bag! haha what a bunch of poor saps up there in minnesota, they’ll buy snake oil from anyone.
    lombardi trophies: Minnesota=O
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    Did you parents have any kids that lived?

  115. Majik Bullet says: Aug 27, 2010 10:55 PM

    # Brewdogg says: August 27, 2010 4:12 AM
    Really? Didn’t Marino make the SB in his second year? And didn’t Big Ben win one his rookie year? Seems to me that the fan of a team whose entire fan base screams “12 championships” and “chokers” every time a comparison between the two teams is made would have taken that into account….. Maybe it’s just me.
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    Brewdogg
    You should know by now that Packer fans are only willing to delve into the past when it suits their arguments (12 titles), but will call you an idiot for bringing up any recent history (3 losses in a row to the Vikes) that doesn’t favor their team.
    Things like this happen to fans of teams who go from championship contender to an irrelevant middle of the road team because their GM is as worthless as they come.

  116. va4favre says: Aug 29, 2010 10:51 AM

    Who cares what he makes, he’s worth every penny! Favre sells tickets and jerseys. Right now he has to manage the team, get Adrian on track, and get a new stadium deal for the Vikings. What are you Favre haters going to do when he retires? Have you picked out your next target yet?

  117. DSC says: Aug 30, 2010 1:37 AM

    Rice and AP are the future of the team and they don’t have good deals so why give favre the extra money when so far this year sage, tj, and webb look better than him,
    Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says:
    August 26, 2010 4:56 PM
    “I will say this though: the window for Minnesota is closing, so if they’re gonna win it all, they’d better do it this season.”
    yawn. this is the most trite and transparent cliche of all the ones that the viking haters trot out. of course they better do it this year, cuz they don’t have any talented young players that they keep drafting year after year and this regime has no history of going out and getting the players they need. whereas the pckers don’t have any old starters (ahemwoodson, clifton, tauscher, that old db whathisname).
    pal, the vikings have the same amount of north division titles as the pack does Superbowls….yet you act like the vikes are hte superior team….woodson obviously has afew more good years afte rbeing defensive mvp, clifton and tauscher just signed for a few years and they have lang and bulaga to back them up, al harris is your only legit point….come on and do some research…

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