Comments on: Matt Leinart bristles at his benching

By: tombrookshire

tombrookshire — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:06:12 +0000

After being ‘that guy’, he turns out to just “a guy.”

By: grant44

grant44 — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:16:44 +0000

The guy is good-lookiong, has about $10mill in the bank, & lives in a state where every female is tan,built, & willing to get in his hot-tub.
Just enjoy whatever time you have left in the NFL & shut up!!

By: Kzoo

Kzoo — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:43:27 +0000

who would have thought we’d have a black president before we have a successful gay starting qb in the nfl.
….thanks Joey Harrington and Matt Leinart

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:19:08 +0000

edgy1957,
Buckwheat, if he doesn’t belong in the NFL, neither do several other QBs that start and are successful, despite the fact that they essentially have arms that are no better than his and their WRs are breaking tackles to get extra YAC.
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I guess I should have taken that affectionately, huh?
You brought up their respective records on bad teams, which is irrelevant to what happened the year they went to the Super Bowl and last year. According to your logic, Leinart “deserved” his shot that year over Warner, too because he looked just as bad as he does now.
i don’t care what a guy does with his leisure time. He wanted to hang out in hot tubs with chicks in his down time, more power to him. I’m not that jealous guy who even cares what these guys do in their free time as long as it’s legal. Don’t believe the hype, football isn’t rocket science, and it’s not a 24 hour job….either you get it and can perform, or you can’t.
However, he’s looked like a disaster much of his careeer because he can’t threaten the opposing defense due to his physical limitations, btw the entire reason he was there for the Cardinals to pick him. I said in my first post that his positives are that he has a great release and his accuracy, but the lack of arm strength just can’t be overcome by him. He doesn’t have an adequate enough arm to make it okay that he doesn’t have a gun, that’s not my fault and it’s not Whisenhunt’s fault.
You’re still with that “give him a chance” nonsense. What’s naming him the unquestioned starter in the off-season both times that he’s been benched before the season called, buddy?
In addition, you continue to rag on Warner, Bulger, and Anderson to prop up Leinart, a pretty wek position to take since they all, even the sorry Derrick Anderson, have actual game accomplishments that far outweigh anything Matt Leinart has ever shown in a game. And yes, Bulger looks better than either of them have looked, period.
Also, In ’08, losing an early game 56-0 doesn’t define your season when you win more games than not consistently early on, or maybe you want to indict that ’95 49er Super Bowl winner since they lost like 40-6 to the Eagles early in the year. The fact is that the defense was the weak link during those late season blowouts.
You’re still talking about “promise” that he showed as a rookie in 2006, lol. That’s absolutely hilarious. It’s 2010, you might want to check your calendar.
Finally, as to your original insult that I re-posted up top, we’re not talking about other starters, we’re talking about him. but for good measure, name me one starter with comparable physical limitations, who’s successful in the NFL today?
The only guy who rivals his physical limitations is Trent Edwards, company I don’t think anybody wants to be in, lol.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:41:49 +0000

Real Football Fan says:
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I called you out of your name – what in the hell does that mean?
How impressive – against the 2nd and 3rd strings of Carolina and Washington. I bet Flacco is REALLY worried about his job, right? I think it’s the height of hilarity to mention Bulger because they ran Warner out of town because of him and now, he’s been run out of town for Bradford.
Look, you’re trying to play KW and not give the guy a chance. It’s more than just about what he see behind closed doors because he’s basically been saying the same shit about him from the first day that he showed up to coach the team. I agree that Leinart didn’t have his head in it then but he’s matured and if they give him the chance, they’ll find out that he will be better than they think (Certainly better than Anderson).
I brought up their records to point out that Warner wasn’t any better than Leinart and THAT was why they drafted Leinart or can you simply NOT READ? Under the same conditions, Leinart’s record (7-9) was about the same as his (6-10).
Again, I didn’t say any of what you said I did. I didn’t say that they would have went to the Super Bowl with Leinart, I said that they were LUCKY to be in it in the first place NOT because of Warner but because of their defense. They weren’t an awful mess just the last month, they were an awful mess all year (or do you think that 56 points is acceptable in the first month of the season, genius).
The fact that you can’t see that they played their asses off in the playoffs and keep trying to come back to Warner instead of the defense shows that you’re FOS.. Warner did his best work AFTER they got to the NFC championship because the defense didn’t give up points like they did down the stretch while his performances last year weren’t enough to stave off back to back 45 point efforts by the opposing team. The defense gave up 426 points in 2008 but didn’t give up more than 27 points in the playoffs while their 2009 defense gave up 325 and had back to back 45 point games by the other team. What was a “statistically” better defense in 2009 was made to bend over and service the other QB time and time again in the playoffs.
BTW, while it may not seem that way, I do like Warner but I’m not going to sugar coat the facts. He was 27-30 in Arizona and that was 8-18 for the first 3 years and 19-12 in the last 2 when they had better personnel than they did in his first 3 years.
You can continue your rant without me. I have to say that when the guys in SD kept saying the same shit about Brees, they ended up eating a lot of crow as he turned out to be a late bloomer and now, he’s got one thing that his replacement doesn’t have (He may still get it but I wouldn’t hold my breath).

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:13:54 +0000

edgy1957,
You called me out of my name, and I’m the hate filled one?
No, I don’t think I know more than anyone. I just know that Matt Leinart can’t play from what I’ve seen. I don’t spot watch them, I live in Scottsdale during the football season, so I’ve seen plenty.
Nobody cares about what he did as a rookie, that was 4 years ago. Like I said earlier, it’s called the league getting a book on you. It happens all the time, and usually the physically limited guys can’t overcome when defenses have their entire bag of tricks down on DVD to study over and over again.
What are you this guy’s agent? Lol, I don’t think Whisenhunt is trying to do anything but win and he has too pretty bad options. Why you continue to think I’m endorsing Anderson because Leinart stinks is beyond me, so maybe you need to use some reading comprehension.
What you fail to see is that the coaches see him everyday, when you don’t see him. He looks bad enough in games and they see him struggle much more behind closed doors, but I guess they should just ignore that gnawing feeling that they have in their stomach of this guy just not having what it takes because he “deserves” his shot. Give me a break….leave it to this whiny entitled generation of losers to defend one of their own.
Even a former Cardinal scout stated a couple of months ago how they blundered on Leinart, and everybody there knows it. He stated how he just doesn’t move the offense in practices like you’d want. Why’s he going to lie, he doesn’t work there anymore?
But you’re right, all those practices and classroom sessions don’t matter. They just need to give him his chance to play with the starters, by golly he deserves it because he’s Matt Freaking Leinart, former Heisman trophy winner and first round pick.
Bulger sure has looked much better than either of those QBs this pre-season. Also, he’s only 33, so don’t exaggerate to make your point. In the end, “a” QB is better than none, which the cardinals are facing right now because they didn’t get either of those 35 year old guys as you call it. It’s called a stop gap, which they should have used Warner as to get rid of Leinart so they could groom a QB who can actually play.
Now, you’re comparing Brees to Leinart, lol. That’s rich. Brees performed as soon as Rivers was brought in. He didn’t need to get his chance later, or need constant coddling for him to seize a job that’s been handed to him twice in 3 years. He played lights out in Rivers rookie year and has continued doing so since. When he sucked his first 3 years, he deserved to get ridiculed, that you think NFL starting QBs need to be babied is funny. If you can’t handle the pressure, you’re not cut out to handle the job.
Things are as bleak as they seem with Leinart because the Cardinals will go from a playoff team to a top 5 drafter this year due to this organization’s poor foresight. The fact that you’re actually in denial about that fate as long as Leinart is QB cements you as either his agent, close personal friend, boyfriend, or relative.
Again you’re not comparing Leinart and Warner, but you’re just repeatedly comparing Leinart and Warner, lol. What does a 5-11 season have to do with the last 2 years? The team was bad that year, so what’s the point of bringing up their respective records on a bad team?
If you believe that team would have went to the Super Bowl in ’08 with Leinart, you’re out of your skull, so there’s no helping you. The defense carried them to the Super Bowl? No, they just played like a playoff level defense in the playoffs as opposed to the awful mess they were over the last month of the season when they limped into the playoffs,
How the defense carried them to the Super Bowl is beyond me when Warner had one of the greatest QB post-seasons ever, and the defense was the one giving up 47 and 48 point efforts to the Patriots and Eagles respectively while also Making Tarvaris Jackson look like Warren Moon late in the season.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:50:59 +0000

their? Geez, THERE.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:09:15 +0000

Real Football Fan says: August 27, 2010 11:22 PM
edgy1957 ,
No, you’re wrong. TN’s defensive backfeild still sucks. It’s not very good outside of Michael Griffin, but stat boys like you ingnore the fact that this guy can’t play.
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First of all, you’re so hate filled that you don’t understand 99.999% of what I say. First you try to think that I’m implying that he’s better than Warner when I was showing that his reputation for going short overlooks the fact that so did Warner AND he did it even more but that since Warner was working with starters, they were going to get more YAC than the guys that Leinart was working with (and if you argue against that then it’s real easy to see how you don’t know as much as you think you do).
When Leinart first got to Arizona, his problem was HIM because he was still a party boy and he didn’t always study as hard as he should have but NOW, his problem is his coach, who didn’t draft him and won’t give him the chance. It’s the height of stupidity to throw Anderson out there as a starter just because he did better against 2nd and 3rd string grocery baggers. The coach wants to recreate the success he had with Warner except that Kurt was a much better QB than Anderson and they’re better off with Leinart, who just needs to play more with the first team including Fitzgerald.
So, your solution for the Cardinals is to sign a 35 year QB every two years and hope that one of them will lead the team to another Super Bowl appearance (BTW, I agree on McNabb but NOT on Bulger)? Let’s not forget that it wasn’t Warner but the defense that got that team into the Super Bowl and while he did a good job in the playoffs, if they had played like they did in the regular season, they wouldn’t have made it to the conference finals, let alone the Super Bowl.
There’s a reason why Warner was in Arizona and why Leinart was drafted and that’s because he gave the ball up a lot (and still did in the end). He had a winning record with the Giants but they decided that it was easier just to turn over the reins to a young kid and let him turn over the ball and learn rather than keep the guy in when he wasn’t going to have a future with the team.
He wasn’t exactly a success with Arizona, either when he got their as he went 3-12 in his first two years while Leinart was 7-9. Let’s not forget that this year, a whole city of idiots in SD got to watch their favorite punching bag, Drew Brees, hoist the Lombardi Trophy after he had to endure their ridicule for the first 3 years of his career and then watch management draft their next hope. It takes time for some guys to mature and as the Chargers fans found out, things aren’t always as bleak as you thought they were.

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:22:16 +0000

edgy1957 ,
No, you’re wrong. TN’s defensive backfeild still sucks. It’s not very good outside of Michael Griffin, but stat boys like you ingnore the fact that this guy can’t play.
I’ve seen him play several times over, it’s called the league getting a book on you after so many starts. You’re talking about his rookie season like that matters. Jamarcus Russel had a 78 QB rating during his first season starting, but he isn’t any good.
Stats don’t mean anything when you see how very differently an offense looks under one guy to the next, and it comes to a screeching halt under Matt Leinart, every time he plays, save that pre-season game last year against Green Bay.
Also, I don’t think I was advocating Anderson, I think that’s plainly stated in my post. It’s picking between bad and worse, but that’s the CArdinals fault cause there were better options like McNabb and Bulger available.
But you’re right, the Eagles would rather have traded McNabb within their division instead of Arizona, where he specifically named as a desired destination and there were people trying to beat them to Derrick Anderson before Bulger was to be cut, which was common knowledge well before free agency started.
You’re right, you’re way ahead of all of us because you have those stats of who caught passes behind the line between the two quarterbacks.

By: superb owl

superb owl — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:46:36 +0000

meat, do some research.
as the starter, or dominant qb in a game, or in some cases, game-changer, warner was 31-22 in AZ.
leinart was much less.
real, TN’s d backfield was crap and hurt for weeks 1-6 of 2009. collins of course got the blame. their d backfield was back well in time to face leinart.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:37:23 +0000

Real Football Fan says:
edgy1957 ,
You keep crunching numbers about behind the line throws and stuff, it stilld doesn’t matter.
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Buckwheat, if he doesn’t belong in the NFL, neither do several other QBs that start and are successful, despite the fact that they essentially have arms that are no better than his and their WRs are breaking tackles to get extra YAC. He may not have Anderson’s arm but he also doesn’t have Anderson’s head, which means that he doesn’t kiss his arm before he throws another interception. Whisenhunt got lucky because went to Warner, who wasn’t some idiot who didn’t have one year of success in his career and that’s NOT going to happen with Anderson.
Leinart’s best year came as a rookie and if you think that he can’t improve on that with Fitzgerald in the lineup then you don’t know what you’re talking about. What will hurt him is the CHEAP (Yes, I said it) organization that deprived him of TWO outstanding WRs like they had with Warner.
BTW, I think you might want to stop walking on your knuckles and join the rest of us in the 21st century (Hell, just move into the 20th century and I’ll be happy). I’m sure that you’re afraid of numbers and I’m sorry but maybe if you throw down a few chicken bones, you might not be so afraid. I’m NOT afraid of what I’ve seen and don’t distrust my eyes but then again, I didn’t overlook the fact that one of his passes was incomplete because a rookie turned the wrong way and he had an EASY reception for long yardage and that hurt Matt’s stats or are you going to dispute that fact, as well? That same rookie would catch the only really good pass from Anderson on his first drive but he screwed up on his pass from Matt.
Now, FYI, I wasn’t comparing him TO Warner but saying that Warner threw short passes MORE OFTEN than Leinart and you’d be a complete fool to believe otherwise. Now, if you want to talk about him vs Anderson – seriously, where in the hell does Anderson hold up better than Leinart than the deluded ramblings of people like you. Hell, he’s played against the 2nd and 3rd teams while Leinart has played against the first team. 9 points in 10 possessions against the second and third team is less than impressive, it’s a joke.

By: granadafan

granadafan — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:57:41 +0000

This just goes to show how overrated a QB can be if he’s surrounded by unbelievable talent in college. Look at the last 20 years of Heisman Trophy QB winners. Except for Carson Palmer, all have sucked big time. Insert any Florida, Florida St, Miami, Chokelahoma, Nebraska QB and they will suck in the pros. They were so overrated coming out of college it’s just unbelievable how voters were duped into voting for these fools.

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:17:32 +0000

edgy1957 ,
You keep crunching numbers about behind the line throws and stuff, it stilld doesn’t matter.
He’s not an NFL caliber QB while Warner is a Hall of Famer. Leinart simply sucks, if you can’t see the stark difference in the same offense when he has played as opposed to Warner, you’re off your rocker.
He played last year, and he only led the team to one TD drive against TN, which had a terrible defensive backfield that got lit up like a Christmas tree several times over.
What’s amazing to me is that the same people who wouldn’t hesitate to kill guys like jamarcus Russell or Vince Young (who actually wins, alot) are here defending this clown.
He has no more of a right to be in the NFL than you or I if he can’t play, which is very evident at this point.
If you don’t got it, you don’t gotit….that’s a terrible revelation for a guy who was once “the man” to face the prospect of actually doing something different with his life, but that’s where he’s at.
Maybe there’s another system that’ll fit him better, but I don’t think it gets more simple than game manager in the mold of a young Ben Roethlisberger while you have a better receiver at your disposal than Roethlisberger ever had. Whisenhunt changed the offense around to hide his deficiencies, since he obviously can’t do what Warner did.
Meat Tuperello,
Why would they employ that same offensive philosophy when Leinart demonstrates that he can’t do that? he doesn’t have the physical ability to throw the ball like that.
His arm is not NFL caliber, but I guess that doesn’t matter anymore. Do you guys even watch this team play when he’s in as opposed to Warner last year or even when Anderson is in. He can’t fling the ball around, he’s not capable of carrying a team like that, which is why Whisenhunt wants to change the team’s style….I think he’d be more comfortable going with the same style that got them to the Super Bowl and 2nd round of the playoffs instead of changing the whole philosophy over night, especially when you have one of the elite receivers in football.
However, he did so to play to Leinart’s inadequacies, and he still is missing the mark. What’s most apalling is that he just expects to “get his chance” although these coaches watch him everyday and know he can’t do it in either system. What’s probably more shocking is that there are more pinheads here defending his “right” to the job, lol.

By: CYGNUS X-1

CYGNUS X-1 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:46:22 +0000

let me get this straight florio,he has no passion for football according to you but when he is benched and shows some passion by being upset he is wrong?face it wisenhunt has never given him a fair shot since he took over.what other reason than he wasn’t his guy can he have for treating him like he does?in the off season he praises him for his work ethic and dedication then as soon as camp rolls around signs somebody else to try and take his job.if the competition with warner was fair what coach wouldn’t go with a young qb to devlop him?the giants made the choice and went with manning to develop him but wisenhunt didn’t want to take a chance even though before he was hurt he showed he had potential under green before getting hurt.

By: Rick

Rick — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:03:12 +0000

How does the saying go, if you have 3 QBs then you don’t have a QB

By: President Florio

President Florio — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:30:33 +0000

The Cardinals and the Jets 2 teams Florio loves in 2010

By: trickbunny

trickbunny — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:26:24 +0000

I don’t think Leinart is upset because he’s clearly 2nd on the depth chart. He’s used to that and probably knows he’s a career back-up. I think his misery stems from being 2nd on the depth chart *behind Derek Anderson*.
It’s one thing to not be as good as a veteran, proven, SB-winning QB like Kurt Warner, but a guy’s ego is gonna be flushed right down the toilet knowing he’s 2nd best to a guy who put up the kind of numbers Anderson did over the last couple years. Ouch.

By: thetechnocrat

thetechnocrat — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:18:16 +0000

Next stop Jake Locker

By: Meat Tuperello

Meat Tuperello — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:08:13 +0000

Warner had a losing record in Arizona, and was barely better than Leinart’s. So let’s not make Warner out to be some super being. He was just a qb playing with the best set of receivers again.
If they leave the offense alone and let Leinart run it, then they will be fine, but when they put more of an emphasis on the running game without the OL to do it, then it’s not going to work and they will blame the qb.

By: thetechnocrat

thetechnocrat — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:06:34 +0000

At least Anderson has pro bowl talent to lean on. He needs to get his head right and maybe make a comeback.

By: savagenation

savagenation — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:04:58 +0000

Now I’m glad he didn’t come out a year earlier when my Niners had the #1 pick. I never though I’d say this but I’d rather have Alex Smith …….of course every time I see Aaron Rodgers I puke. Niners passed on him

By: TampaJoey

TampaJoey — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:49:39 +0000

Leinart sucked so bad this preseason that after watching the last Cardinals game I dropped Steve Breaston from my fantasy team. No way Arizona is moving the ball with him as their starting QB.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:47:10 +0000

Interesting stats for those who keep gigging Leinart for his short passing game. Here are the % of passes by Warner and Leinart that started Behind the line or 1-10 yards over their years together:

2009 :   Warner: Leinart :
Behind Line:    17.4 :    13.3 :
1-10 yards :    53.6 |    51.8 |
2008 :   Warner: Leinart :
Behind Line:    17.9 :    11.4 :
1-10 yards :    55.7 |    37.1 |
2007 :   Warner: Leinart :
Behind Line:    14.2 :    13.4 :
1-10 yards :    48.3 |    45.5 |
2006 :   Warner: Leinart :
Behind Line:    16.7 :    13.0 :
1-10 yards :    55.4 |    55.7 |
2006-2009 :   Warner: Leinart :
Behind Line:    16.7 :    13.0 :
1-10 yards :    53.1 |    52.2 |

Seems to me that Warner threw a greater % of short passes than Leinart and he had hoped that he'd get YAC just like Leinart did and he was more successful because he was more often than not, playing with the first team receivers while Leinart was mopping up.

By: FumbleNuts

FumbleNuts — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:29:11 +0000

Matt “Three and Out” Leinart……………….
Classic!!
hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!

By: akfinfan

akfinfan — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:19:05 +0000

I hear Pat White is available for trade…..

By: packfan4ever

packfan4ever — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:01:45 +0000

even those girls in the hot tub from a few years back are embarrassed to be sitting next to you matt. http://www.trojanwire.com/Matt%20Leinart%20girls%20Dirty.jpg

By: WhaHappened?

WhaHappened? — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:59:37 +0000

Welcome cardinal fan back to those 4 and 12 yrs you had for so many years

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:41:38 +0000

Anderson was NO better than Quinn in Cleveland and now, someone expects him to be better than Leinart – puhleeze. Anderson just throws interceptions further down the field than Leinart, who has been hurt by the fact that his receivers aren’t putting up YAC (Let’s not forget that during his “breakout” season that Anderson threw 19 interceptions).

By: BigBear123

BigBear123 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:39:31 +0000

He lit that bridge on fire while he is still standing on it.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:35:42 +0000

# Unnamed Source says:
Maybe one of those 13 pass attempts shouldn’t have been such a poor throw it almost cost Larry Fitzgerald his season!
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Oh, like the one from Kurt Warner that cost Boldin his?