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Peyton Manning, Bill Polian rip NFL's new umpire alignment

Colts quarterback Peyton Manning and G.M. Bill Polian are still steaming over the illegal snap penalties that were called in last week’s preseason game, saying that the league’s decision to move the umpires to the offensive side of the field — and require the offense to wait to snap the ball until the umpire is in position — could devastate their offense.

“I am dead-set against the penalty,” Polian told Peter King of SI.com. “It is insane. If I knew it would be this way, I’d have voted against it, and not only that, I’d have crusaded against it.”

Manning thinks the Colts’ comeback against the Patriots last year — the most memorable game of the regular season, thanks to Bill Belichick’s surprising decision to go for it on a crucial late fourth down — never would have happened if the Colts had been barred from snapping the ball until the umpire got behind the running back, as the new rule requires.

“If we had this rule last year,” Manning said, “there’s no way we catch up in that New England game. We were down, what, 21 points in the fourth quarter? We wouldn’t have had enough time to run enough plays to catch up. But forget about that game. Let’s chart all the comeback wins where a team runs the hurry-up in the fourth quarter. How many of those games would have ended up the same way — or would the quarterbacks have had enough time to run enough plays to come back and win?”

Whether Manning is correct about that particular game or not, he’s definitely correct that there’s a significant unintended consequence of the league’s decision to move the umpires. Even NFL VP of officiating Carl Johnson admits that.

“The way the new mechanic of the umpire positioning is, I don’t have a resolution to that,” Johnson told King. “It’s going to take a couple extra seconds to spot the ball. There’s no way around that.”

This is a rule change that has the potential to be a nightmare for no-huddle offenses.

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  1. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Aug 30, 2010 9:53 AM

    Polian and Manning are the Wonder Twins of whining.

  2. HomelandDefense says: Aug 30, 2010 9:53 AM

    While I do agree that the new system is messed up….I will say its not shcoking to see Pollian complaining about rules. Its what he does, and it works too. I bet he gets it changed, just like he had the pass interference beefed up because his girly WR’s couldnt get open earlier in the decade.

  3. 5150cd says: Aug 30, 2010 9:55 AM

    Easy solution. Switch back to the old way and, if needed, put pads and a helmet on the ref. Ta-da!

  4. LunarPie says: Aug 30, 2010 9:56 AM

    Plus all of the Offensive Holding penalty calls that are gonna get called on the Colts O-line will surely make a difference from Peyton’s perspective.

  5. Phokus says: Aug 30, 2010 9:57 AM

    While i sort of agree with polian, when HASN’T Polian whined in public about the rules when it doesn’t benefit the Colts? Kick that idiot off the competition committee.

  6. Chiefs2010 says: Aug 30, 2010 9:57 AM

    This is idiotic, and the umpire was running into Manning’s shoulder when he was trying to hustle back to his position. I would’ve jacked the dude.
    This will change. Give the guy a helmet, or hire young, bulked up, recently retired players..
    Derrick Brooks or Zack Thomas could handle officiating the middle.

  7. clubfoot says: Aug 30, 2010 9:58 AM

    Forget the Colts. What about trying to spike the ball to stop the clock when the half or the end of the game is ticking down? It’s like the demosnobs on capital hill saying lets pass the health care bill to see what’s in it.

  8. perm says: Aug 30, 2010 9:59 AM

    I don’t get why they have to wait for the umpire to move to the new position. In hurry-up situations refs and umpires are running all over the place trying to get to their spots as the ball is being snapped.
    They should place the ball, back away from the play and let them snap. It’s not like in the past every ref and umpire had to be 100% set before the ball was snapped.
    This rule definitely seems a bit arcane.

  9. Nosredna says: Aug 30, 2010 10:01 AM

    When Florio hears Favre say anything like this, he constantly says that “Favre has a build in excuse” or words along those lines.
    Funny you don’t see anything like that about players that Florio is a fan of.
    Yes, I realize that Florio didn’t write this drivel, yet his minions do/type what he tells them to do……

  10. ShootahCowboy says: Aug 30, 2010 10:01 AM

    Not a Colts fan, but they do have a point. An official aligning themselves should not distract the game.
    What happens when you are trying to kill the clock at the end of the game?

  11. Chapnasty. says: Aug 30, 2010 10:02 AM

    How about putting a more athletic type of guy in the role and put him back to the original spot? The issue seemed to be that the Umpires were out of shape and as a result weren’t able to get the hell out of the way. Jim Kelly is probably flipping his sh!t right now.

  12. FireJerryJones says: Aug 30, 2010 10:02 AM

    Nothing new here folks.
    Bill Polian makes the rules in the NFL. Whatever works for Peyton is in the ‘Good for the League’ category.

  13. Ralph says: Aug 30, 2010 10:02 AM

    If you cannot snap the ball till the ump gets to spot A, then the clock should be stopped until he gets into position.

  14. Dapollock says: Aug 30, 2010 10:03 AM

    Totally uneducated comment/question here – is there another official closer who can take on the task of spotting the ball? Or an additional official who’s sole purpose is this task? Assuming we buy into the crying game coming from the same team who instigated the rule changes to WR’s.

  15. Cro-Mags says: Aug 30, 2010 10:03 AM

    Wow, Polian and Peyton bitching until the rules get changed in their favor, that never happens.

  16. Strick says: Aug 30, 2010 10:04 AM

    One question. OK, actually, two. (Actually, they’re more like rhetorical questions because I’ll answer them myself.)
    1) Was the offense allowed to snap the ball before the umpire scurried back to where the linebackers were last year?
    No. They weren’t.
    2) Does it take more time for the umpire to scurry 4 yards to the left than it does to scurry 4 yards to the right?
    No. It doesn’t.

  17. dma8152 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:04 AM

    Oh, oh…
    Here come the Colts bitching about the refereeing again……what else is new ?
    Time for another rules change – or should I say “renewed emphasis”

  18. MrHumble says: Aug 30, 2010 10:05 AM

    Not a colts fan in the least but I couldn’t agree more with polian and manning……this rule will change the entire makeup of football more than any rule in the past 30 years. Let the NFL hire another “official” who’s only job is to spot the ball and run to the sideline….gotta be in shape to do that though. So what if there is an official “on the run” at the snap of the ball…..hurry up offenses, 2 minute offenses etc. are too important of a part of football to now make them obsolete becuz some fat bastard can move fast enough. Put a helmetd and padding on the dude or something other, just so it doesn’t change the game so drastically.

  19. Harm City Homer says: Aug 30, 2010 10:06 AM

    Cry me a river Argentina.
    They are just mad they will not get as many BS plays where they use the ump as a pick, or run to the line to get a cheap 12 men on D penalty.
    Also since the ump will not be spending so much time with his head on a swivel looking out for the OL running down hill or a Wr crossing right at him, they may find time to actually do thier job and call some of teh blatant holding that teams that try to pass all day tend to get away with.

  20. Sloan says: Aug 30, 2010 10:07 AM

    If Peyton and Polian dont like it, it will be overturned.

  21. BostonISaChraphole says: Aug 30, 2010 10:08 AM

    LOL Manning and Polian know that their time has come and gone.

  22. TheDPR says: Aug 30, 2010 10:09 AM

    Changing rules when there isn’t a problem in the first place, is idiotic. How could teams not have seen this when they voted on the rule?

  23. gosox2673 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:10 AM

    I normally hate Polian’s whining, but these guys are absolutely right on this.

  24. fab says: Aug 30, 2010 10:12 AM

    The rule is stupid, its pre-season, they see it doenst work. JUST CHANGE IT BACK! I love the nfl, but why do they have to keep adding and changing little stupid things every year. This does nothing to improve the game

  25. Slim Charles says: Aug 30, 2010 10:13 AM

    Man, I can’t believe this but I agree with the Colts on this. Watch the clips again and imagine it’s happening to a team you like, not Mr. Peanut. It’s a really, really dumb setup, especially when the refs throw a flag for illegal snap .
    Now they can’t change the rule back because of the liability issues that come from admitting where the refs stood before was dangerous.
    Polian + Manning are whining biatches, but they’re absolutely right in being pissed. This is lame as hell.

  26. username says: Aug 30, 2010 10:15 AM

    It doesn’t actually slow down the ability for teams to run a hurry up offense.
    What it does do is make it harder for Peyton to prevent defensive substitutions.

  27. jameson4504 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:15 AM

    Peyton and Polian are possibly the 2 biggest whiners in sports history…It’s still sad to know that Peyton actually won a Superbowl (although it was against a mediocre Bears team with Sexy Rexy at the helm…not much of a feat there) coincidently right after him and Polian cried about defenses actually HITTING their wide recievers. When people complain about the NFL getting “soft” blame these 2 clowns because if they had it their way the NFL would be a professional flag football league.

  28. rpiotr01 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:16 AM

    I don’t blame them for being upset. You have a guy in peyton manning who has a skill that few, if any, other QBs have, and rather than let fans watch it and appreciate it, they take it away.
    NHL refs have to be in good shape because they need to skate, and they wear helmets to protect them from collisions and flying pucks.
    The umpire in baseball wears pads and a full face mask. When base coaches were getting plunked in the head by line drives, MLB didn’t decide to move them to the outfield and have them watch with binoculars, and insist that base runners look over their shoulder to the outfield to decide whether to turn the corner or not. They stuck a helmet on them. They didn’t like it, but too bad.
    Before moving the ump to this new position behind the QB, the NFL should only use umps that are in shape and can take some contact. They should wear some rudimentary type of helmet or head protection and braces on their knees. Keep them where they are.
    Don’t make it more complicated than it has to be. Other leagues know that the refs are going to take some contact, they accept that and take steps to make sure the individuals are protected. They don’t try to reinvent the wheel with them.

  29. HarrisonHits says: Aug 30, 2010 10:23 AM

    All the people bitching about Polian and Manning whining are missing a very important point.
    They are correct in this instance. This is a horrible rules change the effects not just primarily the Colts, but every single team. Those that run the hurry up often are totally screwed by this change. Any team behind in the 4th quarter trying to make up points is totally screwed.
    This will have the effect of making it much harder to come back late in the game, and will ruin the chance for last minute victories.
    Give the umps helmets and get guys who are more athletic than many of the old guys they have now are and change it back.

  30. sdigre says: Aug 30, 2010 10:24 AM

    I hope the NFL drops the new rule. It was a comedy to watch the referee trying to squeeze through the o-line.

  31. Smash33 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:24 AM

    Polian is on the competition committee and supported this rule. Tell him to go suck himself.

  32. AllThat says: Aug 30, 2010 10:25 AM

    @FarvesFooPa says:
    August 30, 2010 10:07 AM
    Boo Who you pussys! Play the game you spoiled brats
    ===================================
    They do play the game asswipe. Hurry up/no huddle offenses shouldn’t have to wait for the ref to get settled.
    The rule should not have been changed.

  33. steeler560 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:29 AM

    im not a Colts fan but hope Polian campaigns this to death. Goodell is a tard! Fans wont hate this new rule until their team loses a close game trying to run a two minute hurry up offense. wait until they line some old guy up back there that costs 3-5 seconds to get outta the way!
    18 game seasons, handing out inconsistent punishments between players and coaches, a looming lockout and now this…Goodell is going to prove to be the Jimmy Carter of NFL Commissioners! Goodell needs to realize that theres no need to fix sonething that aint broken! Pete Rozelle is rolling in his grave!

  34. Tinbender says: Aug 30, 2010 10:29 AM

    For those who have not read the new rule, the umpire moves back to the old position on the other side of the line in the last two minutes of each half.

  35. Mike Daly says: Aug 30, 2010 10:30 AM

    AllThat, oh no they don’t. They want to play what amounts to touch football; they can’t handle physical play. The rule was changed because refs were getting clobbered out there. If it slows down the game for soft teams like the Colts, so much the better.

  36. Bradwins says: Aug 30, 2010 10:33 AM

    Typical Colts. Instead of tailoring their style of play to work within the confines of the rules, they are going to try to tailor the rules to fit the way they play. Its not the first time.
    Just play the game by the rules, like everyone else has to, and stop whining.

  37. FinFan68 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:33 AM

    There are several ways to handle this issue.
    1) Stop the clock until the ref is ready
    2) Put the refs in protective gear and leave it the way it was
    3) Stop the clock (temporarily) after a first down in the final two minutes of a half/overtime (similar to college)
    The lesson to be learned is to examine the impact and potential unintended consequences BEFORE mindlessley changing rules for PR purposes. This never needed to be addressed.

  38. In & Out Burger says: Aug 30, 2010 10:34 AM

    @clubfoot
    Your lack of knowledge on a subject you are injecting your opinion on isn’t as surprising you would probably hope. The rule does not apply with under 2 minuets left in the half or game.

  39. Michael K. says: Aug 30, 2010 10:36 AM

    One of the illegal snap calls happened when the Colts were trying to snap the ball to prevent a replay review. To say that teams don’t use the rules to their advantage is insane. The Colts have been more effective than most at using the rules to their advantage.
    I don’t like that the positioning of the Umpire changes inside the 2 minute warning. This is stupid. The positioning should be the same regardless of the time left in the game. This means the call will be consistent.
    I don’t have a problem with an extra official to simply spot the ball. I also would not have aproblem with putting pads and helmets on the officials.
    The Ravens ran no huddle most of their game and had no illegal snap calls. Let’s see how many other teams have that problem this year. I think the Colts may have deliberately snapped the ball illegally in order to make this an issue. Listening to Peyton complaining about this rule is the same as seeing Brady lobbying for bogus roughing calls.
    Boo Hoo!

  40. ernieadams says: Aug 30, 2010 10:37 AM

    What amazes me is Polian didn’t factor this in when the rule change was first tabled. Pretty sloppy. It’s nice to see the Colts get kicked in the nuts for a change by a rule change.
    As a football fan, I will admit I don’t like the new rule… unless of course my team is up by 21 going into the 4th quarter.

  41. thekenfl says: Aug 30, 2010 10:37 AM

    I get so sick of these two clowns. A rule is a rule. Every rule has opponents.
    There’s been nothing but rules to help with the passing game, one that gives the defense 2 more seconds to get ready is fine with me. Offenses also can’t use the ref as a pick anymore neither, another plus.
    As for spiking the ball, in the two minute warning, the ref goes to his original position behind the line. Its a lot safer for him too. ”Put on a helmet and pads”? When has that stopped people from getting hurt. Do these players getting concussions not have helmets? I think not. He doesn’t get paid hundreds of thousands to referee.
    Peyton needs to stop whining. Its time to stop using tricks. Line up and play some football.

  42. Hammerstripes says: Aug 30, 2010 10:37 AM

    This doesn’t effect the last 2 minutes of each half. At that point, the umpire returns to his traditional spot on the field.

  43. edgy1957 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:39 AM

    How is it that this rule didn’t stop the Packers from rolling up 59 points in the same game? Why is that the only ones who are whining are the perpetually whining Colts. Seriously, if it isn’t the referee, it’s the OL or the WR or it’s the DBs or it’s the sun in Peyton’s eyes. Just when do the excuses stop?
    They can either hire another official or they can give the responsibility to another to stop the whining. I just think that this is another way for the Colts to give Manning an excuse for not winning.

  44. dave says: Aug 30, 2010 10:40 AM

    i hate the colts but it does seem like the nfl tried to fix something that wasn’t broke
    shame on polian, because he’s on the rules committee

  45. djeg07 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:43 AM

    ask the patriots how the rule is are they complaining??? tell peyton to get the marbles out of his frekin mouth and polian to sit in the booth and shut the hell up. the patriots owned them until they bitched like lil girls that their recievers were getting beat up. oh boy the league changed that too. soon there will be no offensive penalties even if the colts have 53 men on the field. when will manning retire so football wont have a baby to listen too, goes for his lil ass brother too.

  46. cutler_eats_it says: Aug 30, 2010 10:44 AM

    Keep in mind that the new ref placement is NOT in place during the last two minutes of each half! That being said, I vote for a 70′s style kickers helmut with 1 face bar for the umpire and leave him where he was.

  47. jersey73 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM

    A lot of jealous morons in this thread who don’t know their history and rely on rhetoric.

  48. nbuechlein says: Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM

    This will hurt your team at some point in the season, you will thank Peyton and Bill later for fighting the good fight now.

  49. Mike Daly says: Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM

    Bradwins – but if they do that, then the Tennessee Titans and Houston Oilers/Texans become kings of the AFC South, and we can’t have that!
    I could respect a team like the Titans winning 12 games a year because they hit and play within the rules; Fisher to my knowledge has not forced changes in the game to benefit his team’s style of play. The Colts are the most fraudulent 12-win team ever seen.

  50. _ROCKSTAR_ says: Aug 30, 2010 10:47 AM

    Everyone is so worried about injuries these days. There are far more other jobs where you get killed just showing up for work. If you don’t wanna get hurt then get another job.

  51. edgy1957 says: Aug 30, 2010 10:54 AM

    Again, the helmet ISN’T GOING TO WORK. No helmet in the world was going to keep them from going under the knife for knee or shoulder surgery like 3 officials had to undergo last year. Even with the helmets that they wear, the typical player is susceptible to concussion so what makes you think that it’s going to keep the officials from suffering them any more?
    No matter what you boobs think about them, you’re GROSSLY underestimating their physical conditioning because they’re in a lot better shape than you think and there’s not much more that that NFL can do to make it any better.
    If they give the responsibility to another official, who won’t be colliding with Manning because he’s positioning the ball then it becomes a moot point and everything after that becomes the usual loser’s whine that comes out after every loss. They may complain that it’s all about the no-huddle but it’s more like they don’t like the fact that they have less opportunities to pick but then again, so does the rest of the league and they seem to have adapted.

  52. Ufanforreal says: Aug 30, 2010 10:55 AM

    All you a$$ holes that complain about Peyton and Polian whining about this rule doesn’t know sheet about football.
    This rule not only will take away the hurry up offense except for the last two min. of the game it will also make spiking the ball with time running out very difficult. You idiots complain about the Colts all you want but when this rule comes back and bites your favorite team in the a$$ us Colt fans will laugh at your stupidity.

  53. boysrollsmokespole says: Aug 30, 2010 10:55 AM

    The rule wont stand as is. It will be amended. And it is true those two clowns get rules changed for their benifit. The memories of colts w/r’s coming over the middle getting just crushed by the pats was awesome. Thats the way you dealt with a team that was all fancy and cute, crushed them. And I am not a pats fan, just a fan of great game planning. HTTR

  54. j-wil says: Aug 30, 2010 10:57 AM

    not a colts fan but this new rule sucks……………more time, more holding penalties, less good football. Dump it.

  55. footballfan says: Aug 30, 2010 10:59 AM

    If it works for the rest of the league then I see no reason why it can’t work for the Colts. But I am sure the golden boy will get what he wants.

  56. DailyRich says: Aug 30, 2010 10:59 AM

    2) Does it take more time for the umpire to scurry 4 yards to the left than it does to scurry 4 yards to the right?
    No. It doesn’t.
    ————————-
    Actually, the umpire has to move behind the running back, who, in some formations, can be ten or fifteen yards behind the line of scrimmage.

  57. ravensos says: Aug 30, 2010 11:01 AM

    hard to hear their whining over the recorded crowd noise being played.

  58. Old School says: Aug 30, 2010 11:02 AM

    I’m not a Colts fan, but I think anytime an official effects the outcome of the game, there is a problem.
    Stopping the clock after each play while the ball is spotted is not the answer. That would change the game as well. Having officials lined up as middle linebackers might be dicey, but has this just now become a problem?
    Maybe the real problem is the competition committee. They show up at the meetings feeling obligated to do something/anything to prove their worth. (Sounds like the government. How’s that working?)
    I agree that better conditioned officials would be an obvious starting point. It’s a shame that the pace of the game is tied to the physical ability of an out of shape ref.

  59. steelers rule says: Aug 30, 2010 11:06 AM

    Manning needs to nut it up and quit blaming everyone! Manning is a “fantasy qb” and a proven playoff choker! His record is like 10-9! Hello!

  60. slutnuts says: Aug 30, 2010 11:06 AM

    a lot of you are missing a valuable piece of info….the traditional spot for the umpire was 5 yards off the ball in the defense, where now he will be 15 yards behind the offense..10 yards doesnt seem like a lot, but it will be when your team is trying to catch the opponent sleeping, or trying to get a snap off to avoid a replay.

  61. Reptar says: Aug 30, 2010 11:06 AM

    I for one cannot wait until all you Colts/Polian/Manning haters see your own team penalized for this and begin complaining profusely. It’s a dumb rule. Anyone who thinks this rule benefits the game in any way obviously has no understanding of the game. Every team is going to go hurry-up at some point or another, even if some teams do it more often than others. This rule might be the difference between getting 10 plays in on a drive or getting 12 plays. Do you really want to risk the outcome of those additional two plays?
    Also, @Harm City Homer, what the hell is a “cheap” 12 man on defense penalty? I understand a “cheap” holding or pass interference call, but a cheap 12 man on defense penalty? That’s a definitive thing. Sorry if your team’s QB isn’t good enough to spot your team five yards on that.

  62. TheRedBengal says: Aug 30, 2010 11:08 AM

    Yea, but didn’t that comeback in the Pats game happen in the last two minutes of the game?
    So the umpire would have been in same spot as last year. Quit lying, Polian

  63. wxmanjoe says: Aug 30, 2010 11:12 AM

    boo f**king hoo. Grow a set Peyton and stop your continious whining. At least now you have an excuse when you loose to the Pats this year.

  64. pghguyy33 says: Aug 30, 2010 11:13 AM

    not a good rule for a hurry up and no huddle offense

  65. jcjets says: Aug 30, 2010 11:14 AM

    I thought it goes back to the old way with 2 minutes left in the half and game?
    The colts are the biggest whiners in the NFL.
    Instead of blaming the new rule, how about blaming yourself for going down by 21 in the 4th?

  66. Sooners says: Aug 30, 2010 11:14 AM

    The rule also stops the Colts from the way they use the umpire as a pick by running a receiver right at him and screening the defender away.
    Actually if it does hinder the game it should be changed, but the Colts do constantly complain about the rules and a conflict of interest is implied with Polian on the competition committee.

  67. rbais2 says: Aug 30, 2010 11:14 AM

    Bill Polian was able to get the 5-yard rule for his precious Peyton. Now favors for HIM should be over with.
    There is nothing wrong with keeping your offense on the field at a steady pace. If you do so, then your defense is not on the field for too long and can stay ready. Do they really have that much confidence in DB’s like Jerraud Powers and Jacob Lacey???
    I could’ve scored on those two!!!
    Polian and Manning have to start winning legitimately and not try to win games by asking for rule changes. These boys have been given enough.

  68. jesse.greer says: Aug 30, 2010 11:15 AM

    Should we have expected something different from the Colts & Peyton? All they do is whine & whine & whine if something doesn’t go their way. He needs to deal with it..plus it’s time other teams got their chance to shine.
    Boo hoo! Manning..boo hoo!

  69. Cake Or Death says: Aug 30, 2010 11:26 AM

    In other words, Peyton and Polian are saying that their offense isn’t very good and needs to rely on surprise to be effective.

  70. alewatcher says: Aug 30, 2010 11:26 AM

    Officials should not determine the pace of the game, the officials need to keep up with the game. Get some healthier guys, and put a helmet on them.

  71. petro says: Aug 30, 2010 11:29 AM

    You mean to tell me that the…”Brilliant”, Bill Polian didn’t see this coming? Well too bad, you votyed for it and now that you saw it play out, you can’t change it back. Too bad Billy boy.

  72. OntBoltFan says: Aug 30, 2010 11:32 AM

    Peyton Manning is a moron to get called for this 2x and not knowing the workings of the rule.
    They were getting beaten down by a modern team playing smart football without trickery and they look like even bigger sissies for whining about it through the rules. Maybe we should just set up a Colts crisis hotline instead.

  73. Bigbluefan says: Aug 30, 2010 11:33 AM

    If Peyton says its bad maybe we should stop and listen
    Like him or not he is either the #1 or #2 QB in the NFL if he says it sucks then lets be sure of this it sucks.
    While I am not a colts fan I respect what Payton can do with a ball in his hands. Those of you who do not are either dumb or in for two losses as your team must be in his div.
    The man is a student of the game he does not like to have to wait on some little fool in a striped shirt running around before he can do what he does.

  74. Empire Jones says: Aug 30, 2010 11:38 AM

    Colts have abused the system for years.
    Snapping quick during defensive subs, running DL players into the refs to open up their WR lanes.
    they were kings at that kind of crap, and now they are complaining about it “devestating their offense”.
    There aren’t 31 other owners and starting QBs coming out to bitch and moan, are there?
    NOPE… just the ones who benefitted from a system that allowed them to be sneaky and reap the rewards.

  75. The Real Shuxion says: Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM

    Bigbluefan says: August 30, 2010 11:33 AM
    While I am not a colts fan I respect what Payton can do with a ball in his hands.

    He was a hell of a Runningback.

  76. if yer not first... says: Aug 30, 2010 11:41 AM

    Geesh – what a bunch of whiners-
    Peyton’s not pissed about the time factor – Peyton’s pissed cause he can’t catch the defense off gaurd and use the ref as a pick.
    whatadouche
    And wtf Polian – “if Ida known I wouldn’t have voted for it” – is he an effin politician?

  77. It puts the lotion on the skin says: Aug 30, 2010 11:41 AM

    Some have asked why this affects anything, when they often snapped the ball with “out f place” officials in the past. The only thing I can think of is to imagine Manning quick snapping the ball, and a blitzer comes free into the back field, but instead of Joe Addai jumping up and taking on the blocker, instead, the ref gets into Addai’s way, and Manning gets creamed. If the official had been given ample time to get behind the running back, he wouldnt have been a moving screen (like in basketball). I am not defending the rule, or saying it needs to change.
    On top of that, are they really concerned about the amount of time they “lose” because of this? It is the difference of 2 seconds, maybe 3. That means it would take 20-30 offensive plays, to lose 1 minute of playing time.
    The Colts arent complaining about the loss of 2-3 seconds when trying to comeback, they are more concerned with losing the free 5 yards when the other team is offsides, or still has players running off the field (also, it provides them with “free plays” to take a shot at the end zone if they know they snapped the ball with a player offside)…..
    There are tons of things that favor the offense when you can quick snap the ball, and those are the things Polian and Manning are trying to preserve. Not to mention that 65% of their passing offense revolves around using the umpire as a screen against defenders….

  78. buckeyeboy says: Aug 30, 2010 11:43 AM

    can anyone explain to me why they support this rule even when the league reverts back to the refs original position within the last 2 minutes of the half….seems to me that the leauge admits the new spot is terrible, so when the game is truly on the line, the ref goes to the spot where he has ben for years

  79. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Aug 30, 2010 11:43 AM

    Reptar says:
    August 30, 2010 11:06 AM
    I for one cannot wait until all you Colts/Polian/Manning haters see your own team penalized for this and begin complaining profusely. It’s a dumb rule. Anyone who thinks this rule benefits the game in any way obviously has no understanding of the game. Every team is going to go hurry-up at some point or another, even if some teams do it more often than others. This rule might be the difference between getting 10 plays in on a drive or getting 12 plays. Do you really want to risk the outcome of those additional two plays?
    ______________________
    Look, I agree with Polian and Manning about the flow of the game. I agree that they should do something to allow teams to do what they do and not interfere with that. That being said, why does it seem that every time there is something questionable going on, it’s ALWAYS Polian and Manning who come out to complain about it? The Vikings voted against the overtime rule change even though they were the ones that got hurt by it. That’s because they didn’t want to look like whiny bitches. Polian and Manning get called for something during the PRESEASON and they’re bitching to anyone who will listen. Typical.

  80. if yer not first... says: Aug 30, 2010 11:50 AM

    The man is a student of the game he does not like to have to wait on some little fool in a striped shirt running around before he can do what he does
    no he may not want to wait on those “little fools” but he certainly wants their attention when he want a little yellow flag thrown which he whines about-what?- I’d say 10-15 times a game (conservatively)
    btw before you start calling people dumb you may want to make sure you know how to spell (it’s not Payton)

  81. brady12 says: Aug 30, 2010 11:51 AM

    Wow…people taking shots at the Colts….what kind of world have I woken up to!!
    Correct me if I’m wrong..but doesn’t everyone have to play under the same rules?….adjust with the new rule and get on with life. I really don’t enjoy watching a 60 year old man getting plowed over by a 255 linebacker

  82. The Real Shuxion says: Aug 30, 2010 11:52 AM

    # YawnFlorio says: August 30, 2010 11:00 AM
    EverybodyGotAIDS says:
    August 30, 2010 9:53 AM
    Polian and Manning are the Wonder Twins of whining.

    And Belichick and Brady are the Wonder Twins of cheating.
    Cheating being the worse of the two evils.
    ——————————————————
    Hey, he’s back.
    It’s hard to cheat when you can change the rules to your liking and make what you’re doing legal.

  83. kram2292 says: Aug 30, 2010 12:01 PM

    I agree the new rule stinks, however it doesn’t apply to the last 2 mins of the half or game.

  84. meatball13 says: Aug 30, 2010 12:03 PM

    K.C. used the hurry up against Philly the other night and had no problems with the ump.Indy is just pissed because they can’t use the ump to set a pick anymore.

  85. In & Out Burger says: Aug 30, 2010 12:05 PM

    @Strick
    I guess no one else covered this, it was not a penalty to snap the ball before the ref was in place last year.

  86. cutler_eats_it says: Aug 30, 2010 12:07 PM

    YawnFlo
    I can’t believe there is a moron on this planet as dumb as you.
    When, where, who, etc did the Pats complain to or about Brady getting taken down in 2008? Maybe the fans complained, but thats not whining, o’challenged one. The media named it the brady rule.
    Stop revising history and try learning a little bit of it, you sad example of a homer!

  87. Jack Acid says: Aug 30, 2010 12:09 PM

    Oh no, king Manning is upset about a rule change! Do something, Roger, DO SOMETHING!
    - A distressed fan

  88. Danwhitmer says: Aug 30, 2010 12:10 PM

    Not sure what it was for, but in the Ravens Giants game there was an “experimental 8th official” in the game. Maybe it was for this.

  89. somesome says: Aug 30, 2010 12:12 PM

    Both Ravens and Cincy went no huddle for several series and had not a single call….

  90. BigMikeSkinsFan says: Aug 30, 2010 12:18 PM

    peyton is 100% right.

  91. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM

    YawnFlorio says:
    August 30, 2010 12:09 PM
    Hey, you’re still stupid. Imagine that…then again, New England sports fans aren’t very smart anyway.
    ____________________
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOO. YEEEAAA BOIIIIIIII.
    Seriously, that line must kill over by the jungle gym. Although, I’d be willing to bet that in a couple decades, you’ll be a sad, 30 year old man, still trying to one-up children with your pathetic putdowns.

  92. edgy1957 says: Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM

    # j-wil says:
    not a colts fan but this new rule sucks…………… more time, more holding penalties, less good football. Dump it.
    ******************
    It just seems that way. For example, in the game that Peyton was whining about, there were 12 penalties against the Colts and 2 — count ‘em — 2 penalties against the Packers. The Colts were called for NO offensive holding penalties while the Packers had 1, which happened on a PUNT. The Colts did have one called against them and it was declined but that happened late in the 4th quarter and not when Peyton was out there sweating his precious bodily fluids.
    If you were to breakdown the offensive holding calls, you’d find that they aren’t any worse than they are in the regular season AND quite a few are called on the 2nd and 3rd string players. This last week, there were an average of 6.97 penalties called per team (more than the regular season) and only .75 per team were offensive holding calls and even if you added the declined penalties, that’s 30 in 16 games or less than 1 per team per game. Also, note that I didn’t break it down by 2 minutes or less to see what happens when he’s back at his old position but I don’t see where calling the number of holding calls out of control is justified. It may seem that way because he’s calling the penalties instead of the referee or in addition to, the referee but I don’t see any evidence that it’s a world gone wild.

  93. PRIDEin253 says: Aug 30, 2010 12:29 PM

    It’s not like the league just dropped this on them come game time. They’ve had an entire offseason to make adjustments.

  94. BRUTUS9448 says: Aug 30, 2010 12:30 PM

    Manning needs some cheese with that whine

  95. Pastabelly says: Aug 30, 2010 12:41 PM

    meatball13 says:
    August 30, 2010 12:03 PM
    K.C. used the hurry up against Philly the other night and had no problems with the ump.Indy is just pissed because they can’t use the ump to set a pick anymore. :) Yup, they are the masters at using the 12th player. Seemingly, this impacts both teams and is just something each team will need to adjust to. It is strange that only one team is complaining about this.

  96. edgy1957 says: Aug 30, 2010 12:41 PM

    This reminds me of all the whining about Dallas’ new scoreboard coming out of Tennessee and it proved to be much ado about nothing, especially when the punter wasn’t trying to sabotage the punt during the regular season as the Titans’ kicker did during the preseason.

  97. FoF says: Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM

    Whether these two dolts are throwing the lineman under the bus or whining about the NFL, I think everybody is happy that they got embarrased in the SB.

  98. thunkened says: Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM

    What’s funny, is in the Chargers/Saints game the ref moved back to the old position in the last few minutes of the game! lol!

  99. FinFan68 says: Aug 30, 2010 1:10 PM

    This can’t possibly be about the safety of the refs. If that were the case, then it would not revert back to normal in the last 2 minutes. What they are saying is the safety of the refs is not a concern after the 2-minute warning. Kinda hard to defend a principle like that. Admit the mistake and leave it the way it was. There is no viable reason for the change in the first place.

  100. Meat Tuperello says: Aug 30, 2010 1:12 PM

    Glad to see that the mass email from Moronsrus.com made it to each of you bashing Manning and Polian.
    When you are the best in the game some bashing is expected but this is just lunacy.
    It’s a stupid rule change and it will be altered before it is all said and done. You just better hope it happens before it costs your team a game.

  101. I didn't hear no bell. says: Aug 30, 2010 1:21 PM

    Hurry up offenses in the last 2 minutes to get a score is part of the game.
    Hurry up offenses that are used throughout the game are simply looking for a cheap way to get a penalty or exhaust a defense that is already at a disadvantage because of the pro-offense changes to the rules. Right now the defense works twice as hard as the offense and should have time to sub players between plays.
    Manning is whining because his whole offense is predicated on keeping the same defense out there so he can pick the same weak link apart. A real man wouldn’t be scared to go up against the best and beat them no matter what the rules are.

  102. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Aug 30, 2010 2:19 PM

    Meat Tuperello says:
    August 30, 2010 1:12 PM
    Glad to see that the mass email from Moronsrus.com made it to each of you bashing Manning and Polian.
    When you are the best in the game some bashing is expected but this is just lunacy.
    ______________________
    The best in the game? Polian and Manning? Best QB and best GM? Is that sorta like Shula and Marino were the best coach and best QB of that era? Guess what? Shula and Marino won zero SBs together. Manning and Polian only have 1. You don’t make the greatest team in the world and have the greatest QB in the world and win 1 Superbowl.

  103. shallowfan says: Aug 30, 2010 2:31 PM

    i think the entire thing is a joke…me being a shallowfan has an excuse to not see the consequences of this rule change…it has the potential to affect every time at anytime…but for the owners and ppl in charge to not see this coming is not only embarassing, but a potential game changer for a team any Sunday they need to come from behind to win and need to use the hurry up…

  104. edgy1957 says: Aug 30, 2010 2:43 PM

    So, you think that the NFL reverting back to the old rule in the last two minutes shows that the NFL knew that there was a problem. Well, you couldn’t be more wrong and I have to wonder how much football you’ve watched if you think that.
    Seriously, the last two minutes of a half and of the game can’t be any more different if they were Jerry Jones and Art Rooney and those 4 minutes are COMPLETELY different for each team, even one that is playing a hurry up offense.
    The first half is a wild scramble for BOTH teams, even if one is ahead by a lot. They will be try to get in points before the half and if they have all their time outs, they’ll be able to go over the middle (and use the umpire as a pick) but they’ll also try to save them for a final play and they’ll end up throwing more balls to the side and the umpire isn’t usually in danger of being run over then. They’re also going be throwing more of their passes over the middle BEHIND the umpire because they don’t want to waste time dinking and dunking their way down the field and having to waste a down with a spike or a time out to stop the clock (If they’re going to waste a down with a spike, it will more to their advantage for them to do it after a 20 yard completion and not one that went 5 yards).
    The second half is completely different. If a team is ahead by a lot, they’ll spend time trying to run it to force the other team to use their time outs and then they’ll take a knee and if their opponent doesn’t have a time out left, they’ll go to a knee after a first down. Unless these teams are tied, only one of the teams is going to be trying to score and if they’re down by a substantial amount, they’re going to be going down the field more and the umpire won’t be in as much danger.

  105. Meat Tuperello says: Aug 30, 2010 3:27 PM

    Aids,
    Yes the greatest in the game, or you could even go as far with Manning as to say the greatest QB to ever play the game.
    I’d take Marino over Montana, and Manning over Brady..
    Terry Bradshaw’s 4 rings proves rings don’t define the greatness of an individual position.

  106. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Aug 30, 2010 3:48 PM

    Meat Tuperello says:
    August 30, 2010 3:27 PM
    Aids,
    Yes the greatest in the game, or you could even go as far with Manning as to say the greatest QB to ever play the game.
    I’d take Marino over Montana, and Manning over Brady..
    Terry Bradshaw’s 4 rings proves rings don’t define the greatness of an individual position.
    ____________
    But you also said Polian is the best. If you have the best guy making your team, and the best QB leading your team….where are the championships? Why only 1? Where’s the total falloff? Is Dungy the worst coach in the history of the league?

  107. dma8152 says: Aug 30, 2010 4:59 PM

    You know what they are really ticked about ?
    Not the impact on the no-huddle – rather the lack of an official in the middle of field means no pick for the tight end or receiver slant through the middle

  108. Meat Tuperello says: Aug 30, 2010 5:18 PM

    Aids,
    yeah he’s the best at building a team. Buffalo, Carolina, Indy.
    A team has to be good and lucky to get multiple championships.
    If Kasay doesn’t kick the ball out of bounds and the Pats don’t get it at the 40. Tuck rule/fumble , etc. Balls have to bounce the right way and they have to get some breaks.
    Pittsburgh and the officiating vs. Seattle and playing Kurt the turnover machine Warner in their recent championships.
    I think Dungy held them back. I think the mistake of resting players hurt them on multiple seasons. Getting robbed in New England by officials certainly hurt them a time or two. Not making excuse. Just stating facts. DrunkenVanderchoke sent them home early in the playoffs on more than one occasion.
    Sometimes the best players don’t play on the best team in any given season.
    None of that changes my views that Manning is the best qb to play the game. He doesn’t have the rings that some have but neither does Barry Sanders….and they are the best I have seen play the positions.

  109. OntBoltFan says: Aug 30, 2010 5:55 PM

    IND has always had the best WRs and TE s, the focus of their drafts while the rest of the team is almost disregarded. Polian is not the best ever while Manning may be at putting up regular season #s only.
    Wayne, Harrison and Dallas Clark were all probowlers, no other qb has had the same talent around him. Even with that corps he was still a retard under pressure losing to SD twice in the playoffs. In the end noone will care about all his Tds to Reggie Wayne leading flawed teams to early playoff exits to complete teams.
    Meanwhile Tom Brady ground out 3 SBs with receivers like Deion Branch, David Patten and Ben Watson. GMs of recent who are better than Polian are Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli and Mickey Loomis.

  110. Meat Tuperello says: Aug 30, 2010 9:52 PM

    Pro Bowlers because they played with Manning.
    You’ve proven your ignorance bolt fan but putting the blame on Manning when the defense couldn’t stop a midget and a back up qb. Glad to see you didn’t include J.A. Smith in your last statement.

  111. OntBoltFan says: Aug 31, 2010 11:50 AM

    Meat,
    Your ignorant and uninformed. Go review last years SB and tell me who threw the game changing pick 6 in the 2nd half. Then name me another QB who has had 3 #1 draft picks to throw to at WR and another #1 at TE.
    Joesph Addai, a great pass catcher out of the backfield, guess what another #1 pick.
    Manning is good but he has had by far the best weapons of any QB.

  112. Ridge_Runner says: Aug 31, 2010 6:16 PM

    Gutless Goodell is hell-bent on destroying this league. The goof is the NFL equivalent of the NHL’s Gary Bettman.

  113. dsheik says: Aug 31, 2010 10:26 PM

    # thekenfl says: August 30, 2010 10:37 AM
    I get so sick of these two clowns. A rule is a rule. Every rule has opponents.
    Peyton needs to stop whining. Its time to stop using tricks. Line up and play some football.
    ______________________________________
    I agree. I personally don’t like the rule but Of course if it Peyton doesn’t like it its got to go.
    Peyton likes to get those cheap penalties on the D by catching them substituting. This reminds me when the Pats were playing too “physical” with them and Peyton and Polian ran to the competition committee.
    The rule will effect every team but the way Peyton likes to play it could effect the Colts more.
    No more freebies Peyton, until they change it back for you.

  114. petro says: Aug 31, 2010 10:47 PM

    If Polian is such a genius, why did he vote for it? He clearly carried heavy influence in the league and if he’s so smart (Resting their starters) why didn’t he see this as an issue? It’s the rule pal. We all may not like it but deal with it.

  115. spiritof66 says: Sep 1, 2010 1:08 AM

    I am no Colts fan, but these two are right about the new umpire configuration and rules. Every Nfl team that goes into a hurry up offense this year is going to potentially run in to disaster. This will lead to rage in all team fan bases as this will hit most teams during critical drives when time is short. These two may be whiners, but you watch by mid season most teams will have felt the sting of this stupid idea.
    I also look forward to seeing if Vegas takes a pounding on this one, as this will most certainly affect the outcome of many games.

  116. Popeye says: Sep 1, 2010 9:58 AM

    the umps find another way to slow down the game……Manning is 100% right on this one

  117. Mike Daly says: Sep 1, 2010 2:45 PM

    MeatTupperello is a fool. He’d take Marino – a playoff choker – over Montana, and Manning – another playoff choker – over Brady. He claims the Colts somehow got jobbed by the refs in New England. The facts are clear -
    Marino had no ability to elevate his game come playoff time. Montana always did.
    Manning is soft, cannot handle hard-hitting teams, cannot elevate his game come playoff time, and needs rule changes to allow his no-huddle attack to work. Brady plays tougher and elevates his game come playoff time.
    Manning is 100% wrong. Adapt to the game instead of force-feeding rules to make no-huddle offense immune to defense. Become the Brady-era Patriots, the Delhomme-era Panthers, or the McNair-era Titans, teams whose receivers weren’t stopped by physical defenses.

  118. P-townPacker says: Sep 1, 2010 6:43 PM

    edgy1957 says:
    August 30, 2010 10:54 AM
    Again, the helmet ISN’T GOING TO WORK. No helmet in the world was going to keep them from going under the knife for knee or shoulder surgery like 3 officials had to undergo last year. Even with the helmets that they wear, the typical player is susceptible to concussion so what makes you think that it’s going to keep the officials from suffering them any more?
    No matter what you boobs think about them, you’re GROSSLY underestimating their physical conditioning because they’re in a lot better shape than you think and there’s not much more that that NFL can do to make it any better.
    —————
    The helmets will work (I also think they should use some type of armor as well, like some light-weight motocross stuff). Look what it has done for MLB. I understand what you are saying about concussions, and you would have a great point if the umpire was going into the hole to lay a lick on a RB. That is why so many PLAYERS receive concussions. And the 3 or so you said went under the knife, is drastically less than the players who go under the knife every off season. It’s the same as the players, the job is dangerous.
    And I don’t know what games you have been watching, but the umpires are not shining examples of pure physical specimens; they are old and all gut (I’m watching replay of the Bears/ Cards game now and the umpire in this game looks like he is in his 60′s). I can’t remember who suggested it, but using freshly retired players for this spot would be perfect. It’s a win-win. The league will get some athletic guys in a “rough” spot, and players who cannot get away from the game still have a chance to be on the field without having to hit other players.

  119. tmc2609 says: Sep 2, 2010 10:44 AM

    To all who comment that it won’t effect a comeback at the end of a game because they switch back to the old way the last two minutes of each half. That’s the point! The league even knows this new way isn’t efficient, or there wouldn’t be a need to go back to the old way EVER! This, is my opinion, just proves that this new placement is a bunch of garbage! If it worked, it should be able to work for the entire game! Get the old fat guys out of there, get some protective gear, and put the refs back where they belong!

  120. tmc2609 says: Sep 2, 2010 10:51 AM

    edgy1957 says:
    August 30, 2010 10:54 AM
    Again, the helmet ISN’T GOING TO WORK. No helmet in the world was going to keep them from going under the knife for knee or shoulder surgery like 3 officials had to undergo last year. Even with the helmets that they wear, the typical player is susceptible to concussion so what makes you think that it’s going to keep the officials from suffering them any more?
    No matter what you boobs think about them, you’re GROSSLY underestimating their physical conditioning because they’re in a lot better shape than you think and there’s not much more that that NFL can do to make it any better.
    ____________
    Someone already replied to this, but I just thought I’d back that sentiment up. 3 officials having to get surgery for the year is NOTHING compared to the amount of players that had to get surgery due to the game. You want to be an NFL official, your going to face that possibility. It’s apart of the job! If you don’t like it, go get a desk job somewhere! Since when is it the NFL’s job to make sure that these guys are out of the way of danger? Sure, the game shouldn’t be made with the intent on injuring these guys. I don’t think it ever was! Just like the rules of the game are not made to intentionally hurt a player. If they’re not in shape enough to handle a few hits, they need to be replaced. Put them back in the original positions, where they belong! This affects the game way too much!

  121. faccipazzo says: Sep 2, 2010 12:05 PM

    Hey TMC2609; There’s only about 192 NFL officials, and at least 1700 players in the NFL, not counting taxi squad numbers. that’s about 8.8 players per official. Common sense says per person that officials are more susceptabile to injury. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

  122. Meat Tuperello says: Sep 2, 2010 1:40 PM

    Mike Daly,
    You are a dumb ass.
    Marino was a far better quarterback than Montana, just as Manning is a far better quarterback than Brady. Montana and Brady have played on better teams and the difference certainly wasn’t the quarterback.
    You proved your ignorance by calling Peyton Soft. He owns the Ravens. He has owned the Pats recently. He’s the toughest qb in the league missing 1 play due to an injury and that was a broken jaw. played most of the rest of that season with his jaw wired shut. I feel sorry for you.

  123. Mike Daly says: Sep 2, 2010 6:34 PM

    YawnFlorio – the Patriots never lobbied for a rule to better protect quarterbacks – the league put that rule in themselves.
    Meat Tuperello has no facts to buttress his defenses of Marino and Manning. Neither quarterback had/has any ability to elevate their game come playoff time. Montana didn’t have better teams than Marino; on the contrary he was a low draft pick thrown onto a bad team with a new coach, and they built a champion. Brady was a sixth-rounder who elevated his way up the depth chart. Marino and Manning were high draft choices expected to win right away.
    “Peyton owns the Ravens. He has owned the Patriots recently.” You think that will last? He can thank his lucky stars for the wrong ball spot on 4th and 2. He never gets hit (this Superbowl was the first time in a while I can remember a defense actually attacking him up the middle), he’s protected by the rules (so are his flimsy receivers) and he walks the tightrope virtually every game. And yet he never elevates his game in the playoffs. And when the heck did he ever suffer a broken jaw? McNair won co-MVP because he played through broken ribs, hands, everything; Brady played through a serial shoulder injury, broken ribs, and at least one hand injury. Manning has never had a broken jaw.

  124. Dr. Steve says: Sep 2, 2010 11:21 PM

    Peyton Manning’s and Bill Polian’s whining have already gotten results; the NFL’s new umpire alignment rule has been suspended for the last game of the preseason. That’s the first step in rescinding it altogether. It would seem, the purpose is to soften up the fans to the “Manning rule change” before the season opener.
    The NFL has been changing the rules to suit Manning’s game ever since he cried about the Patriot DB’s holding his receivers. In my opinion, he was so influential in getting the rules changed, the NFL put his picture on the front of the Official NFL rule book the following year.
    Never has an NFL player’s demands been so catered to by the League than Peyton Manning’s. It’s been my observation that everything he’s ever wanted to make himself the greatest Hall of Fame selection ever has been granted him. He got himself drafted by a team that plays under a dome. He’s gotten favorable officiating calls throughout his career, in my opinion. He’s had the NFL’s rules changed to suit his game. And, he’s been allowed to tank a final game so as to be rested for the NFC Championship.
    Make no mistake, what Peyton Manning wants Peyton gets. That umpire alignment rule will be changed to suit Manning before the season opens.

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