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Mack Brown thinks Reggie Bush's Heisman should go to Vince Young

As the first college football season following the determination by the NCAA that Saints running back Reggie Bush forfeited his eligibility by getting paid while playing college football at USC approaches, the head coach of the player who finished second in the voting for the Heisman Trophy that Bush won is making the preseason media rounds — and in so doing throwing a roundhouse at Reggie.

As explained by our corporate cousins at CFT, Texas coach Mack Brown told Dan Patrick on Monday that, if the Heisman Trophy Trust takes back the trophy that, for whatever reason, Bush can’t or won’t surrender on his own, the award should go to former Longhorn quarterback Vince Young.

Brown took it a step farther, arguing that if the voting had been deferred until after the bowl season in 2005, Young would have won the Heisman outright.

In this regard, Brown is right.  Young had a game for the ages, and Bush’s so-so showing included an ill-advised lateral that resulted in a turnover.

Brown says that Heisman officials have explained that they don’t want to delay the voting because it would create an inconsistency.  The powers-that-be believe that, if the voting had been delayed in the past, the outcome would have been different.

But that’s Brown’s point.  The outcome would be — and in some cases should be — different based on the completion of the college football season.  So, apparently, the Heisman Trophy Trust will continue to justify a substandard and incomplete process out of respect to those who benefited from the substandard and incomplete process in the past.

Meanwhile, the Heisman Trophy Trust apparently will continue to take its sweet time in assessing whether or not the 2005 edition of the award should be recovered from a player who has been determined retroactively ineligible to play in every game of the season in which he won it.

Maybe it’s a good thing that these people are responsible for a relatively meaningless award.  If they had any influence over the things in society that really mattered, we’d be far more screwed up than we already are.

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52 Responses to “Mack Brown thinks Reggie Bush's Heisman should go to Vince Young”
  1. prmpft says: Aug 31, 2010 6:50 AM

    yeah – also his old girlfriend and some used condoms…maybe reggie should throw up in a bowl & vince’ll get the last thing he ate too…that boy’s had a life of people just givin’ stuff to him..

  2. Otis Taylor 89 says: Aug 31, 2010 6:52 AM

    Heisman Trophy voting and awarding should be after the regular season. After the Bowl games, which could be in the middle of January, people have moved on from college football.
    Reggie should just give his trophy back.

  3. Kevin from Philly says: Aug 31, 2010 6:56 AM

    Mike, you’re forgetting that the people on the Heisman board are there because they’re rich business guys in New York – probably Wall Street types. They are exactly the guys that screwed up the country.

  4. ebr says: Aug 31, 2010 7:05 AM

    “Maybe it’s a good thing that these people are responsible for a relatively meaningless award. If they had any influence over the things in society that really mattered, we’d be far more screwed up than we already are.”
    Mike, you are absolutely right!

  5. Wordsworth says: Aug 31, 2010 7:18 AM

    Amen, Florio.

  6. Nsblend says: Aug 31, 2010 7:19 AM

    disagree.. its not like Bush was taking PEDs. Reguardless if he took $ or whatever he still was the best player in college football that season.

  7. SC21 says: Aug 31, 2010 7:46 AM

    Mike, you’re forgetting that the people on the Heisman board are there because they’re rich business guys in New York – probably Wall Street types. They are exactly the guys that screwed up the country.
    Most Heisman voters are sportwriters and former Heisman winners, not “Wall Street Types”.

  8. dabarber says: Aug 31, 2010 7:48 AM

    Nobody cares about the Heisman…it does not translate into NFL success (as evidenced by Vince Young and Reggie Bush)

  9. SC21 says: Aug 31, 2010 7:49 AM

    Maybe it’s a good thing that these people are responsible for a relatively meaningless award. If they had any influence over the things in society that really mattered, we’d be far more screwed up than we already are.
    Ya, because the guys who ran Wall Street into the ground were a bunch of responsible geniuses. Give me a freaking break Florio.
    Since its such a meaningless award (your words), why should they be in a rush to do anything about it? Make up your mind. Either its the most important thing ever, in which case we should get NASA on the job to figure things out, or its a meaningless award and it doesn’t really matter if they take their time figuring out what to do with it.

  10. therewasone says: Aug 31, 2010 7:52 AM

    Who Cares!!!!!

  11. TylerDurden says: Aug 31, 2010 7:52 AM

    Why, so people and bitch and complain that the Heisman shouldn’t go to a player that gets in fights in the back of gentlemen’s clubs…

  12. dEV says: Aug 31, 2010 7:54 AM

    Then again, if it were meaningless, you wouldn’t be talking about it.

  13. aec4 says: Aug 31, 2010 8:02 AM

    those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
    If you think Vince Young wasn’t pulling in 6 figures in college you’re kidding yourself..

  14. AndrewG_19 says: Aug 31, 2010 8:07 AM

    Sounds a little bias for a Texas coach to make such remarks about a Texas player. Honestly regardless of the actions that Reggie Bush did (for whatever reason idk why) he shouldn’t be stripped from his Heisman. The Heisman Trophy Trust awards the player with the best statistics during the course of the college football year. Not what happens off the field. If that’s the case, then strip Brian Cushings from his ROY

  15. nps6724 says: Aug 31, 2010 8:10 AM

    Mack Brown isn’t exactly an impartial person on this matter. Of course he thinks the Heisman should go to Young; it’ll only add to his legacy and help his recruiting by adding a Heisman trophy to his coaching resume.
    As for when the award is handed out, aren’t all major sports awards done before the championship game? They’re all based on regular-season success. If it was after the postseason, you’d have a ton of awards given to just guys who made it to the postseason because they would be fresh in the voters mind and a bunch of great players who happened to be on worse teams would be shafted.

  16. Lucky5927 says: Aug 31, 2010 8:15 AM

    Last time I checked, improper benefits didn’t impact the playing field. Bush, like him or not, deserves that Heisman. Vince Young would have won the award if they saved it for after the BCS Championship game. But as we all know, that did not happen. And neither will Bush giving the award to Young.
    A more interesting question would be who has been the biggest disappointment in the NFL so far: Young or Bush? They both have had their moments of success and crappy play.

  17. Hauschild says: Aug 31, 2010 8:18 AM

    Good Lord….Talk about going from bad to worse!?!?!
    What the hell is wrong with people nowadays???

  18. Strick says: Aug 31, 2010 8:18 AM

    1) Nobody cares. It’s the Heisman. It’s meaningless.
    2) Pretty sure Bush wasn’t the only college athlete to ever get compensated for playing.
    3) If I were Vince Young, I wouldn’t want it. I didn’t win it.
    4) What’s the message here? See kids? See what happens if you take money to play college football? What difference is that going to make to some inner-city kid whose only other option is selling crack?

  19. Rhapsody says: Aug 31, 2010 8:22 AM

    Anyone who considers the tradition-rich Heisman Trophy as a ‘relatively meaningless award’ knows nothing about football. Oh, but we knew that…

  20. jj jones says: Aug 31, 2010 8:28 AM

    Mack Brown is a crybaby. He is probably just upset that his brother can’t change his vote and get VY the Heisman.

  21. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Aug 31, 2010 8:36 AM

    SC21 says:
    August 31, 2010 7:49 AM
    Since its such a meaningless award (your words), why should they be in a rush to do anything about it? Make up your mind. Either its the most important thing ever, in which case we should get NASA on the job to figure things out, or its a meaningless award and it doesn’t really matter if they take their time figuring out what to do with it.
    ___________________
    Wow dude, must be rough being you. Every day must either be the greatest day in the history of the universe or worse than 100 holocausts.
    Maybe it’s not too important, but considering that this is important to the people doing the deciding (hence their decision to be on the selection committee), they should do it because it’s important to them, even if it means nothing in the grand scheme of the world. Most things I do aren’t important to anyone but myself or a few people around me. It’s called life.

  22. BigBear123 says: Aug 31, 2010 8:38 AM

    SC21 says:
    August 31, 2010 7:46 AM
    Mike, you’re forgetting that the people on the Heisman board are there because they’re rich business guys in New York – probably Wall Street types. They are exactly the guys that screwed up the country.
    Most Heisman voters are sportwriters and former Heisman winners, not “Wall Street Types”.
    ——————-/
    it’s politicians that continue to screw stuff up. Put the fox in the hen house (Barney Frank) and believe him when he says the hens ran away. Only reason Dema want illegals to have amnesty is for votes. Reagan granted amnesty as President and Harry Reid railed against it then, the same Harry Reid who is pushing it in the Senate with Nobama’s blessing.

  23. BigBear123 says: Aug 31, 2010 8:42 AM

    I’d agree with stripping it if he used PED’s or if he used the trophy to crack someone skull open. I never thought much of te award to begin with though.

  24. Jackson says: Aug 31, 2010 8:42 AM

    well said Mike

  25. poonhok says: Aug 31, 2010 8:44 AM

    I hope Vince would have the good sense to say “thanks, but no thanks….”

  26. dafool99 says: Aug 31, 2010 9:21 AM

    Vince Young put up his work in 3 qtrs of action most of the season.
    And yes Reggie had a lot of sportscenter plays…
    But everyone knows that Lendale White was the running gamefo USC. He ran for 25 td’s, and he was the back killing UT in the Championship game.
    Whenever a USC player is in the heisman consideration, it will be hard to beat them out because they will get so many 1st place votes because of the large number ofex-trojans who have won the award that stick with their own. Matt Leinart even said that he voted for Bush.

  27. billsfan1 says: Aug 31, 2010 9:22 AM

    and barry bonds should hand back all his home runs and brian cushing should hand back his dpoy award and blah blah blah………………………………………..just another example of why i dont trust texas football players….. another chance for VY to be handed something without earning it…
    for the record, reggie bush was the best player in college that year… best player doesnt necessarily mean the best stats…. he was the most dynamic player and deserved the award… vy may have had a game for the ages but bush was among the players for the ages..

  28. straightup says: Aug 31, 2010 9:24 AM

    NSBLEND: Easily said, that’s right. So does anyone here really think V.Young didn’t get paid. If so you need help.

  29. President Florio says: Aug 31, 2010 9:32 AM

    Florio this story should be on CFT not PFT

  30. BostonISaChraphole says: Aug 31, 2010 9:35 AM

    There are some things Mike Florio just won’t let go.
    I find it hilarious that the league is about to lower the suspension of a serial rapist by a few games and you don’t make a bigger deal out of that.
    Wait, maybe because you are in love with the Steelers?
    Big Ben should be the biggest story going into the season, just like Vick was when he killed those dogs. But for some reason it is ok to rape women and then let ESPN and the rest of the media sweep it under the rug. It is a freaking JOKE. No story this offseason was bigger than the rapist, yet almost everyone has forgot about it. I guess if your white and you win 2 superbowls you can get away with whatever you want.

  31. SC21 says: Aug 31, 2010 9:47 AM

    Wow dude, must be rough being you. Every day must either be the greatest day in the history of the universe or worse than 100 holocausts. Maybe it’s not too important, but considering that this is important to the people doing the deciding (hence their decision to be on the selection committee), they should do it because it’s important to them, even if it means nothing in the grand scheme of the world. Most things I do aren’t important to anyone but myself or a few people around me. It’s called life.
    Wow, way to miss the point entirely. I was pointing out Florio’s idiocy and hypocrisy. On the one hand, this is a “meaningless award”. On the other he says its some kind of disgrace that these people aren’t rushing to Bush’s house to grab the Heisman away this instant, which would indicate that its super important. It can’t be both. Why they hell you’re giving me some incoherent half assed lecture about “life” is a mystery, especially since it has nothing to do with the question at hand.

  32. SC21 says: Aug 31, 2010 9:49 AM

    t’s politicians that continue to screw stuff up. Put the fox in the hen house (Barney Frank) and believe him when he says the hens ran away. Only reason Dema want illegals to have amnesty is for votes. Reagan granted amnesty as President and Harry Reid railed against it then, the same Harry Reid who is pushing it in the Senate with Nobama’s blessing.
    Way to be 100% off topic. I was talking about sportswriters and finance guys, and you go off on some sorry tangent. Maybe your tin foil hat is getting too tight.

  33. steved says: Aug 31, 2010 9:56 AM

    I agree with Brown that Vince should have won the heisman that year.

  34. tomcous says: Aug 31, 2010 9:59 AM

    Mack Brown is exactly an objective observer … Bush should definitely lose the award … as should Brian Cushing for his R.O.Y.

  35. scra22 says: Aug 31, 2010 10:03 AM

    The NFL MVP should be voted on at the end of the postseason as well. Then Drew Brees (who had better stats than Manning all year but couldn’t overcome the media’s bias) would have rightfully won it over Peyton Manning.

  36. Erik says: Aug 31, 2010 10:14 AM

    Let’s all remember, more than likely Mack has a bonus clause for a Trophy winner that he is looking to cash in on. Mack doesn’t make this kind of stink unless there is some green in it for him. Dang whiney orangeblood only squeals when his cash cow is gored

  37. brownsfn19 says: Aug 31, 2010 10:29 AM

    Is this the same guy who said Young would be in the hall of fame..hahahaha…STFU already…

  38. TheBuzzOnNY.com says: Aug 31, 2010 11:07 AM

    I dont really care, as i’m sure most people dont, what Reggie Bush did off the field. The bottom line is that he was the best player that season. If the voting was done after the bowl game, then maybe Vince Young takes the award. But Reggie deserved it for what he did on the field during the season. It’s funny how the NCAA can “erase” it from the record books and thinks everyone will just forget about it. Give me a break.

  39. Steel Dahn Sahth says: Aug 31, 2010 11:09 AM

    VY deserves to be suspended, and in a fair world, for a time frame much longer than 6 games.
    But that’s OK. Give him a trophy instead.
    We’ll only worry about allegation based suspensions.

  40. craigolney says: Aug 31, 2010 11:09 AM

    He should keep it. We can’t go back and rewrite history for the sake of some NCAA investigation. You could find violations on just about every NCAA championship team in football history. The NCAA is a joke!
    Nobody was a better player when Reggie won it. He made USC a ton of money! Should the NCAA and USC give all ticket buyers,sponsors, advertisers, bush jersey buyers, etc their money back for watching a product that really didn’t happen or was illegal according to them now?
    Keep the Heisman, Reggie. Vince didn’t win it and he should not want it. I am sure if we were to explore VY’s college closet, a few skeletons would fall out.

  41. craigolney says: Aug 31, 2010 11:12 AM

    He should keep it. We can’t go back and rewrite history for the sake of some NCAA investigation. You could find violations on just about every NCAA championship team in football history. The NCAA is a joke!
    Nobody was a better player when Reggie won it. He made USC a ton of money! Should the NCAA and USC give all ticket buyers,sponsors, advertisers, bush jersey buyers, etc their money back for watching a product that really didn’t happen or was illegal according to them now?
    Keep the Heisman, Reggie. Vince didn’t win it and he should not want it. I am sure if we were to explore VY’s college closet, a few skeletons would fall out.

  42. cause you are the same says: Aug 31, 2010 11:20 AM

    Just make sure that when you give VY the trophy, nobody does that ‘hook ‘em horns’ upside down, gang-banger sign.
    VY don’t like that…

  43. realitypolice says: Aug 31, 2010 11:24 AM

    poonhok says:
    August 31, 2010 8:44 AM
    I hope Vince would have the good sense to say “thanks, but no thanks….”
    =====================
    VY, in perhaps the only mature decision he has ever made in his life, has already said he wants no part of this award and would not accept it if offered.
    Good for him.

  44. Bucket says: Aug 31, 2010 1:24 PM

    I hate how Vince Young fans act as if it were really that simple. Sure he had a game for the ages in the national championship game. If the voting for the Heisman were AFTER that game he might have won it outright. BUT it wasn’t and as much as everyone wants to point out that VY was second in voting, it should be remembered that at the time Texas were underdogs to what “some” were calling the greatest college team ever – USC. reggie was the vote b/c Leinart already had his. It was like ‘taking turns’. But if Reggie weren’t eligible Leinart would have gotten the votes that went to USC not VY. Everyone wants to re-write history but no one mentions the realistic chance that Leinart could have become the first repeat winner since Archie. We don’t know! That’s why it’ll never work to go back now and try a redo. Bush was excellent on the field, he won the Heisman. If we’re not going to go back and redo every vote (OJ Simpson anyone???) then it makes no sense to give VY a Heisman. if you strip Reggie, you leave the4 asterick and no one gets it. It’s absurd to go back and re-reward a trophy like that.

  45. steelers rule says: Aug 31, 2010 2:51 PM

    Hey Crap Brown, how about producing a “real” NFL player, not a average one! How about playing a real team out of conferance once in a while. I guess Minnesota is too tough for you!

  46. Reggies jukemove says: Sep 1, 2010 1:48 AM

    Great point Bucket. So the lesson I’ve learned is that if you can take a Heisman away from Reggie, then they shoulda took OJs away. It’s not right to take money ( which wasn’t that large an amount) but it’s ok to murder and commit armed robbery. Reggie earned that school 10 fold on what he recieved.

  47. Reggies jukemove says: Sep 1, 2010 1:50 AM

    Great point Bucket. So the lesson I’ve learned is that if you can take a Heisman away from Reggie, then they shoulda took OJs away. It’s not right to take money ( which wasn’t that large an amount) but it’s ok to murder and commit armed robbery. Reggie earned that school 10 fold on what he recieved.

  48. Reggies jukemove says: Sep 1, 2010 1:50 AM

    Great point Bucket. So the lesson I’ve learned is that if you can take a Heisman away from Reggie, then they shoulda took OJs away. It’s not right to take money ( which wasn’t that large an amount) but it’s ok to murder and commit armed robbery. Reggie earned that school 10 fold on what he recieved.

  49. thagratest says: Sep 1, 2010 1:18 PM

    Simply put, and athlete should be duly compensated for his athletic production while in school.
    Yes life isn’t fair for that student who busted tables through college.
    Bush was the Better player for the year 2005! Unfortunately, the Heisman Award, along with every other MVP award has been dolled out to the player who was OUTSTANDING for the ENTIRE year before a Championship Game.
    Yes, Young had a masterful game in the Rose Bowl, and a very good season. Bush simply had a better season, as so by the voters. If the Award was given AFTER the championship game, MAYBE you can even start dialogue. But its all “academic”, and I will get to that in a minute.
    In case you forgot or you are simply uninformed, MVP awards are customarily given out to a athlete for their outstanding YEAR. Be it NFL, NHL, MLB, NCAA, and the list goes on and on, even down to pop warner.
    For Mack, to foolishly but understandably lobby for his “Former Cash Cow” Vince Young, it speaks to the arrogance and gratitude of “some” college coaches. Young was more than partly responsible for Mack getting one of the biggest coaching contracts in the NCAA.
    To add insult to this asinine campaign, Vince Young was no saint either, how many classes did he “scoot by” so that he can play? and How many times Mack has successfully cheated the system? Yes – Cheating is rampant throughout college athletics. (I dare anyone to turn the ignorant cheek and say cheating is performed at ALL schools)
    So this self serving ploy Mack is foolish, arrogant and once again a joke. Bush Deserves the Heisman, he was the better player that year, Vince Young and the rest of his fan base should get over it. He should be concentrating on Being a better quarterback and learn how to deal with his immature emotions. Mack needs to find a way to keep the boosters happy, and pay some more athletes to come to Austin.
    This is a joke. I’m tired of the hypocritital, self serving, self righteous rhetoric in the media.
    For all of the revenue that these athletes like bush has generated for their prospective schools, they should be paid MORE.
    The NCAA is a billion dollar business.
    When a cap is put on how much a university can make in terms of TV revenue, merchandise, stadium ticket sales revenue, concession stands, advertising, and the list goes on, THEN lets talk about why an athlete should not be paid.
    The rant is done.

  50. txtornado33 says: Dec 12, 2010 3:10 AM

    What a bunch of jackass’s.Give me a break,Reggie Bushie did not do anything spectaclar that season.And if the Heisman is about “stats” than Young should have gotten the damn trophy.If you all wan’t to be sticklers about it here are some regular season stats to look at.1.Ricky Williams had more points scored and more rushing and all purpose yards than the Bush.2. Vince Young is the first FBS to rush for 1000 and pass for a 1000 in a single season.That fact alone should have screamed out Heisman stats.

  51. txtornado33 says: Dec 12, 2010 3:22 AM

    Plus the fact that the Bushie didn’t do anything above normal for a running back.Vince as as Quartarback did what no other Quartarback before him never did.Cam Newton is performing well below in 10 compared to what Vince Young did in 05.And Newton got the Heisman.Are you telling me theres not a back out there with stats like or better than the Bushler.Give me a Fuc@ing break.So lets Recap,Bush as a back had a good but no extraordinary year.Young did what no other quartarback had ever done.

  52. txtornado33 says: Dec 12, 2010 3:49 AM

    Reggie Bush-Rushing 1740 yds Rec 468 yds 16 td’s.Vince Young Rushing-1050 Passing-3036 38 TD’s.Cam Newton Rushing-1409 Passing-2589 29 TD’s.So if the Heisman is about the best player in stats.Then Young should have won it not Bush.Oh, and Young did not just play great in the Rose Bowl he did it all year.And in 05 Tx held Bush to near his all time low in both rushing yds atts and Td’s.So if Bush was the best player that year.He didnt look it.While Young continued to do what he had done all year.

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