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Roger Goodell reduces Ben Roethlisberger's suspension to four games

As expected, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has reduced Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger’s suspension to four games.

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network was the first to report that Goodell reduced the suspension, after Roethlisberger met with Goodell today. The NFL confirmed that the suspension will be four games.

Roethlisberger was suspended under the league’s personal conduct policy this offseason after a league review of his behavior following a sexual assault accusation in March. Goodell had previously said Roethlisberger would have his suspension reduced from six to four games if he stayed out of trouble and followed a counseling program put forth by the league, and more recently Goodell said Roethlisberger had done everything asked of him and more.

According to NFL spokesman Greg Aiello, the suspension reduction is contingent on Roethlisberger’s continued adherence to the program the league has set out for him, and on no further conduct violations.

“You have told me and the Steelers that you are committed to making better decisions,” Goodell said in a letter to Roethlisberger, according to the league’s press release. “Your actions over the past several months have been consistent with that promise and you must continue to honor that commitment.”

Roethlisberger will have to stay away from the team for the first four weeks of the regular season. He can return Week Five, which is the Steelers’ bye week, and then play for the first time on October 17 against the Cleveland Browns.

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  1. LaughingClown says: Sep 3, 2010 11:16 AM

    I can see why….he’s been good for a month or so. What a joke.

  2. GetUSome says: Sep 3, 2010 11:18 AM

    Of course just in time for the Clev Game…

  3. joey-pickles says: Sep 3, 2010 11:18 AM

    Hey, does this mean Revis is going to sign on Wednesday???

  4. FloriosHairHat says: Sep 3, 2010 11:19 AM

    Shoulda killed two people Ben, then you would have got a street named after you.

  5. queenie says: Sep 3, 2010 11:19 AM

    Sorry Terry!
    Suck on it haters!
    Go Steelers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. jflesh1 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:20 AM

    Are you sure it’s not 5 games???? Too soon???

  7. fc1_87 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:20 AM

    Queue the Lovers and Haters …..
    Now!

  8. oyoy84 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:20 AM

    Way to go Ben. For not raping anyone for 4 WHOLE months, you will get your suspension reduced! The definition of good behavior!

  9. ErikInHell says: Sep 3, 2010 11:21 AM

    We have a showdown in the making. Rothsiwhowhatis will get the bye week before his first game against the Browns. Here’s to another 8 sacks!!!

  10. Bradwins says: Sep 3, 2010 11:22 AM

    Rape = 4 games.
    Videotaping from wrong place = -1 1st round draft pick.
    I’m sure this is actually really solid reasoning and is just way over my head.

  11. Polorl69 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM

    And you didn’t even mention him once in this article! That must have been painful

  12. cutler_eats_it says: Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM

    Here’s to hoping he’s gotten it through his head that women are not his right or priviledge, rather, people that should be treated with respect, regardless of his stardom or their state of mind.

  13. Spungy says: Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM

    In unrelated news, Goodell has suspended the Steelers 1st and 2nd string O-line from game 5-16.

  14. Guy Incognito says: Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM

    Boooo!!!!!!

  15. FinFan68 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM

    That is ridiculous. I am not saying BR deserved a suspension or not in the first place. I just think that lowering it by 33% for not being stupid enough to get into trouble serves no purpose. If it was worthy of a suspension then, it still is now. No reason to lower it unless the player absolutely goes above and beyond what is expected of somebody trying to regain favor. He barely did anything to just be a normal player much less one who is trying to repent. The personal conduct policy is a good concept but the execution by Goodell has been inconsistent and inept.

  16. svenhoek says: Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM

    This is a storm warning from the National Weather Service. Hurricane Rapist is expected to make landfall if 30 seconds. Expect stupidity in excess of 150 mph and a heavy downfall of false information.
    Please take shelter and do not read the comments in this article.

  17. aec4 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM

    bad precedent set here.

  18. Meldog says: Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM

    i guess everyone saw that coming. I’m not surprised at all.

  19. Blackbeard says: Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM

    And when you go workout at the local high school avoid bringing jailbait into the bathroom with you!

  20. Stillerz says: Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM

    2-2 during his absence 12-2 once he returns!!!!

  21. 90ragtop says: Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM

    “Goodell said Roethlisberger had done everything asked of him and more.”
    ************
    It was the “more” part that got Ruthlessbanger in trouble in the first place.

  22. tradebait9 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM

    If Goodell had a daughter there’s no way in hell Ben’s suspension would have been reduced. Goodell dropped the ball on this one.

  23. skoolboylwc says: Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM

    shows how much qb’s get special treatment

  24. FrankoBollo says: Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM

    Let the sufferers of PFTBHDS (Pro Football Talk Ben Hater Delusion Syndrome) take heart — we at the PFTBHDS Foundation are working to find a cure!
    Soon you will no longer have to refer to someone as “rapist” who’s never been charged with even jaywalking — and no more drooling on the keyboard either!
    Soon you will no longer live with the delusion you are some defender of women’s rights, when in fact you are simply venting your anger at the team you so jealously hate!
    Once you stop suffering from PFTBHDS, personal hygiene will improve. Fresh air can be breathed again. Who knows, an actual romantic/sex life may emerge!
    We still can’t do anything for Ravens fans though.

  25. Stillerz says: Sep 3, 2010 11:26 AM

    meant *10-2* once he returns.
    and here come the haters to ruin another Steelers story.

  26. madmike77 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:27 AM

    Rape = 4 games.
    Videotaping from wrong place = -1 1st round draft pick.
    I’m sure this is actually really solid reasoning and is just way over my head.
    ***
    If you’re going with comparisons, didn’t Lewis get less for an plea of obstruction of justive in a double homicide case?

  27. Dr Green Bay Packers, MD says: Sep 3, 2010 11:27 AM

    he won’t make it to week 10 with out flashing little ben at somebody who doesn’t want to see it. he’s an idiot.

  28. 305phinphan says: Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM

    Nice message you send to everyone Roger boy. You suspend people like Vick for a year because he ran a dog fighting ring. You suspend players like Jason Fergeson for 8 games because he failed a drug test. You give Pig Ben a 6 game suspension for being scum, raping women and than lower it to 4 games? Wow talk about having things all f’d up! I can see Roger talking to kids at a school now. It is not ok to take performance enhancing drugs or run dog fighting rings but if you rape a woman we will not look at it as such a bad thing compared to the other 3. Rapistberger and Roger are both jokes!

  29. Blitz87 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM

    What a joke.

  30. connie says: Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM

    I still want to know what he did. Not try to rape anyone in the last 5 months. What has he done that he should not have been doing all this time.
    please someone tell me. what has he done????
    I live in Pgh. He has done nothing in this town.
    he has not even bought a dog for any police dept.
    He took his o line out to dinner. And beged them to please protect him. What a scum bag.

  31. Cryptker says: Sep 3, 2010 11:29 AM

    Suspended for a bye week,Wow that`s tough.

  32. RedsDouche says: Sep 3, 2010 11:30 AM

    You were a good boy Benjamin. You managed to stay away from flopping your co*k out for 4 whole months! Good boy buddy. What a sorry excuse for a man. He will never change. He was like that in high school, all through college and now onto his “adult” life. Again, he’ll never change. I give it halfway through the season and he’ll have another accuser saying he smacked his meat on her w/o permission.

  33. socal10 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM

    Thank you, Mr. Goodell, for teaching our young boys out there (who aspire to be professional athletes) a very important lesson. And that is you can abuse women and act however inappropriately and still suffer little consequences.

  34. ECOX says: Sep 3, 2010 11:32 AM

    @Bradwins
    It was -1 first round draft pick and $500,000 fine. Clearly raping someone is the better deal.
    I’m sure Goodell’s decision has satisfied the victim. Her chastity surely wasn’t important to her anyhow. Courts don’t help and now the NFL doesn’t help. I bet all Las Vegas employees are scum of the earth and deserve to be raped also.
    Congrats OJ…I mean, Ben!

  35. Simon12345 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:32 AM

    So Wise was only off one game. :-)

  36. Chuck1951 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:32 AM

    Roger Goodell is a joke and wimp he should have never set the games suspension to 6 games if he wasn’t going stand-by it. This is sending a message to all NFL players you can do anything from rape to murder and never pay for your crimes

  37. Batman says: Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM

    what a coincidence..Leftwich jsut got hurt. dixon doesnt generate revenue….so come back Ben. Shows where the morals lie.

  38. ICEWALKER says: Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM

    FloriosHairHat says:
    September 3, 2010 11:19 AM
    Shoulda killed two people Ben, then you would have got a street named after you.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    OJ has a street named after him?

  39. JackL says: Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM

    Ben will be fine. They had a Glory Hole installed at Heinz Field

  40. j-daddy says: Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM

    So don’t commit a crime, don’t have charges brought against you, etc etc, and you get suspended for four games? I don’t think Ben is blameless, but there’s no consistency with who Goodell suspends and who he doesn’t.
    Anyone who claims that the Steelers get special considerations from the league after this crock of crap needs to have their head examined. Go to the police blotter on this website and explain to me why all the drunk drivers out there haven’t been suspended. There’s no logic to what Goodell does.

  41. theravenlives2 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM

    FloriosHairHat says:
    September 3, 2010 11:19 AM
    Shoulda killed two people Ben, then you would have got a street named after you.
    __________________________________
    Stay Classy, dude.
    Must be getting stuffy in the single wide. Break out the banjo, and practice the deliverance theme one more time for us, will ya!

  42. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM

    I guess I don’t understand the whole “If he stays out of trouble, he can get the suspension reduced thing. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that it was just a PR ploy to say “Look! Completely rehabilitated!” but seriously? You don’t go from being a sexual predator to a choir boy in a few months.

  43. jwill007 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM

    Good therefor we dont need excuses when he plays Cincy on Monday night and we beat em! I dont expect to hear….
    “Well Ben didnt play”
    And if you lose dont say this BS either
    “YOu only won because Ben has been back only 1 game and is out of sync”
    Shut it! You play to win the game! See you on Monday night!

  44. hemry27 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:36 AM

    Good news….shouldn’t of got any……
    no good Milledgeville Whores.

  45. Raiders757 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:37 AM

    Did anyone truly believe that he was going to be suspended for six games? I think it was pretty obvious from the get-go that the suspension would be four games unless Ben screwed up, then it would be six. It was just worded to sound the opposite in order to keep the P.C. crowd of the league’s back. The guy wasn’t found guilty of anything, so it seems a four game suspension is pretty fair.

  46. steelermikey says: Sep 3, 2010 11:38 AM

    God grant me the serenity
    to accept the things I cannot change;
    courage to change the things I can;
    and wisdom to know the difference.
    Terry Bradshaw

  47. chitown26 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:38 AM

    HRRRR BIG BEN GOOD, ME WANT PLAY NOW. ME PROMISE NO MORE RAPEY GRRRRRRLS IN BAFROOMS. HRRRRRRR
    Someone please rid society of this mouth breathing rapist. Not only does he not deserve to play football anymore but he should be in jail. Period.

  48. Tebow's a Douche says: Sep 3, 2010 11:38 AM

    So, rape isn’t that bad?

  49. Bdrunk says: Sep 3, 2010 11:39 AM

    tradebait9 says:
    September 3, 2010 11:25 AM
    If Goodell had a daughter there’s no way in hell Ben’s suspension would have been reduced. Goodell dropped the ball on this one.
    ——————-
    From wiki:
    “Goodell is married to former Fox News Channel anchor Jane Skinner and they have twin daughters.”
    Sorry, try again.

  50. Deb says: Sep 3, 2010 11:41 AM

    Goodell said at the get-go it was 6-games THAT WOULD BE REDUCED TO FOUR if Roethlisberger complied with the program. The reduction was built into the punishment as an incentive. It’s not about whether Goodell has a daughter, or him letting off QBs easy or any of that nonsense … as you’d know if you fact-checked before you typed.
    But if you fact-checked, you’d know the Georgia DA said he hoped the accuser learned her lesson–not something prosecutors say about real rape victims.

  51. 100 no's and 1 yes still mean yes says: Sep 3, 2010 11:41 AM

    Shouldve extended it to 8 for him asking it to be reduced to 2 or 3

  52. Steeler-lady says: Sep 3, 2010 11:41 AM

    tradebait— if you had a son you wouldnt believe t his bogus BS about a rape.. You would call her out for the slut she was.. plain n simple. DTF!!!!!!!!! Go watch the interviews..read the police reports.. its been a farce since day one.
    NO WOMAN should be able to go around accusing a man of this without solid PROOF! Go look at all the INNOCENT men being left out of prison now due to DNA proof they didnt do it.. But the woman SWORE UNDER OATH he did. Stop pretending like women are innocent.

  53. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 11:42 AM

    FrankoBollo says:
    September 3, 2010 11:25 AM
    Let the sufferers of PFTBHDS (Pro Football Talk Ben Hater Delusion Syndrome) take heart — we at the PFTBHDS Foundation are working to find a cure!
    Soon you will no longer have to refer to someone as “rapist” who’s never been charged with even jaywalking — and no more drooling on the keyboard either!
    ________________
    Heh. If you spent half as much time working on self-improvement as you do defending a sexual predator, you might be able to get a real job and not have to live in Pittsburgh.

  54. agenice says: Sep 3, 2010 11:43 AM

    Where’s the story on how the overrated 1-7Boys punked out and didn’t play any starters?

  55. js136202 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:43 AM

    It was awfully convenient that the league came out with the schedule right after his initial suspension announcement, and that they gave them a schedule conducive to ben’s suspension. Playing at home in his first game back was also coincidental.
    Big ben isn’t a rapist, he’s a reprehensible human being, but no rapist. I’m sure we all knew guys from college that were like him, who didn’t “rape” girls, but weren’t exactly gentlemen around girls who had too much to drink.

  56. Rogue says: Sep 3, 2010 11:43 AM

    I was taught in order to give respect you should also receive it. Any person who has no respect for themselves should not be respected, especially when you wear or say thing that are out of line. Do not expect any respect if you don’t show it.
    All persons are created equal and should be on the same level a equality. Not showing this is that you are puting yourself into a class that is unwarranted.
    So that also goes with some of the bloggers who write on this blog. So don’t forget to say your prayers tonight and let your mommy tuck you in.

  57. Bdrunk says: Sep 3, 2010 11:44 AM

    ErikInHell says:
    September 3, 2010 11:21 AM
    “We have a showdown in the making. Rothsiwhowhatis will get the bye week before his first game against the Browns. Here’s to another 8 sacks!!!”
    ————-
    As an opponent, the Brownies scare me more than the Bungles or Ravens.

  58. JungleNosey says: Sep 3, 2010 11:46 AM

    Don`t worry all you Big Ben and Steeler haters he`ll screw up again.He is about as mature as any other spoiled rotten kid, which means that it won`t be long before he`s in trouble again.Then Big Daddy Rooney will try and come to the rescue again.Maybe while he`s away from the team he can spend some quality time with Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton that is 2 upscaled spoiled brats that keep their “noses” clean, oh that`s right Paris had some “nose candy” found in her purse at Sin City.Ben you better not answer the cell when they call.

  59. 4ever19 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:46 AM

    It seems like this is a decision that didn’t need to be made now. Couldn’t the commissioner have waited to see how the QB conducted himself during the first part of the season?

  60. PittsburghSteelerz says: Sep 3, 2010 11:47 AM

    Booooooooo… should have been reduced to 1-2 games.

  61. Tyler says: Sep 3, 2010 11:48 AM

    Goodell is the usual PC liberal, who thinks, he can tame a lion by stroking it.

  62. bobcrs says: Sep 3, 2010 11:49 AM

    I’m glad to see that Ben was rewarded for his good behavior of not assualting any women over the last month. Thanks Commissioner for realizing he is a completely changed man. We should now focus our attention on rewarding all the steroid cheaters caught for not cheating lately. Also when can we reward Ray Carruth for now committing a homicide since his last one.

  63. drumbug71 says: Sep 3, 2010 11:53 AM

    I think if Goodell would have given Ben 3 games like they requested, THAT would have been super preferential treatment.
    I think, within the confines of the initial suspension, that this is fair. But, I also think that Ben knows he’s on such a short leash, he’s about one more ‘incident’ away from losing his job.
    Time to keep the zipper up and focus on helping the Steelers get that 7th ring, Ben.

  64. rich in cincy says: Sep 3, 2010 11:54 AM

    Hey Stillerz,
    sorry we ruined your “fell good, rape a girl and get your suspension reduced” story……..
    Stay classy Steeler fan.

  65. Spungy says: Sep 3, 2010 11:54 AM

    Steelers will go 8-8 tops, and then cry that they COULD have gone 12-4.

  66. BobsCountryBunker says: Sep 3, 2010 11:54 AM

    FrankoBollo says:
    September 3, 2010 11:25 AM
    “Who knows, an actual romantic/sex life may emerge!”
    You mean like Ben’s? Whip it out and see who salutes …

  67. PFTiswhatitis says: Sep 3, 2010 11:54 AM

    Proof that Goodell is an inconsistent POS commissioner that is in waaaaay over his head.

  68. dabarber says: Sep 3, 2010 11:54 AM

    Nobody really cares who was the “first” to report something except you bloggers.
    ___________________________________
    Jason La Canfora of NFL Network was the first to report that Goodell reduced the suspension, after Roethlisberger met with Goodell today.

  69. cutler_eats_it says: Sep 3, 2010 11:55 AM

    Chevy: “i was told there’d be no math”
    Typical pittsburgh mathematicians…2+2+12+2=18 games! Say – No – More! ROTHFLMAO
    Wait, wait…maybe he’s talking playoffs as well.
    Then, I can assume Steelers lost in the Conf Championship game? or were they a wild card?
    I’m so confused!

  70. Gautam says: Sep 3, 2010 11:55 AM

    can you imagine if ‘normal’ society had the same set of rules for guys who go around sexually assaulting women ?

  71. In & Out Burger says: Sep 3, 2010 11:57 AM

    @Bradwins
    Accused of Rape = 4 games
    Video taping = Winning 3 Super Bowls then loosing 1 first round draft pick

  72. Apetits says: Sep 3, 2010 11:57 AM

    Now just hold on a minute! Ben goes 4 months without raping anybody and is rewarded for it, but I go 2 years (give or take a little) without raping anybody, and I don’t get anything for my troubles? It would seem that not raping people just doesn’t pay.

  73. ArtModellsPimp says: Sep 3, 2010 11:58 AM

    Welcome back, Ben! The CLEVELAND BROWNS want you to meet T.J. Ward.
    T.J., this is Mr. Roethlisberger…your new bitch.

  74. Richie's Rebel Rousers says: Sep 3, 2010 11:58 AM

    This is ridiculous, cheat in the NFL don’t worry we’ll destroy the evidence-no problem
    carry a loaded handgun to an airport- no problem,
    kill someone- no problem,
    DUI- no problem,
    don’t get charged with a crime, 4 games!!!
    This Roger Goodell is a first class A-HOLE!!!!!

  75. petro says: Sep 3, 2010 11:59 AM

    It is what it is. That’s why the NFL is a joke and doesn’t get it…except on how to make money.

  76. RedsDouche says: Sep 3, 2010 12:00 PM

    Ehh well. He’ll still be running for his life once he does come back to play. The Steelers line is horrible. Steelers go 9-7 at best and come 3rd in the AFCN. Have fun braiding Troy’s hair in the locker room girls!

  77. bobinpuertorico says: Sep 3, 2010 12:01 PM

    Of course four games is a severe punishment for only forcibly raping a young women, with the assistance of his body guards. At least we now know that Goodell considers rape to be equal to unknowingly taking an over the counter dietary aid that happens to contain something that violates the substance abuse policy. Will Rapistberger be nominated for NFL Man of the Year, since he has gone a few months without any allegations of rape.

  78. Richm2257 says: Sep 3, 2010 12:01 PM

    So naturaly Roethlisberger celebrated by going out to introduce “Little Ben” to the incoming class of freshmen coed’s in Milledgeville.

  79. Rick says: Sep 3, 2010 12:03 PM

    All he had to do was not sexually assault anyone and his suspension went from 6 to 4 games. That must have been really hard for him. Congrats Ben!!

  80. JungleClone says: Sep 3, 2010 12:06 PM

    No rapes in the last month….good boy!!!

  81. wmt says: Sep 3, 2010 12:12 PM

    It was a 4 game suspension to begin with. Roger Goodell has no balls whatsoever and can’t take a stand on anything. What a loser.

  82. Jaydub says: Sep 3, 2010 12:12 PM

    Not only is Goodell dragging down this great league by making a bunch of stupid, unneccessary changes, but now he’s making an ass of himself by rewarding someone for acting like he should have been acting the entire time. Way to go, Roger.
    Ben should have killed that girl. There wouldn’t have been a suspension at all, and certainly no jail time. If Rog was the DA of NYC, Plaxico would have already finished up his community service and would have been halfway through his probationary period by now, and still playing football.

  83. The Real Shuxion says: Sep 3, 2010 12:12 PM

    Four games sounds fair. He may not have raped her but he did expose himself in a bar (proven) and bought drinks for women he knew was underage (Per SI story and not disputed by Rothelisberger camp as far as I know). If I was in the same situation I would lose my job (I know, comparing apples to oranges)
    Also the bar “losing” the security footage hurts Ben because it gives way to the conspiracy theory (See Goddell destroying spygate tapes).
    Also for those who complain about the Ray Lewis issue, his issue was pre-Godell. If Roger were to suspend every player who did something wrong pre his tenure he might as well give every team a loss in week 1 because no team would have enough players to field a freakin team.
    Am I a Steeler fan….no, my posts have made that perfectly clear. Do I believe Ben raped her…..no. Do I believe Ben inappropriately touched her against her will…..yes. That deserves 4 games.
    Also DTF means nothing. If women wear playboy t-shirts that doesn’t mean they will strip if you have a camera. (Would kick as if they did) It was a dogtag or whatever, only a retard would assume someone acts a certain way based on what they are wearing. That is as dumb as basing someones actions on their skin color. That is crap you hear on JT the Brick (Ben’s devil T-shirt)
    Yes I have heard the tapes and she sounds like someone who was drunk and exaggerated her story. If Ben was so wronged he would sued her, but he hasn’t if the cops found she lied about everything they would press charges on her but they haven’t.

  84. Chapnasty. says: Sep 3, 2010 12:14 PM

    Ok get on with it. Steeler fans can apologize next off season when he does it and this time there is proof

  85. Ravenmaniac says: Sep 3, 2010 12:19 PM

    Stillerz….I am not going to argue your prediction for when ben gets back (I think it is a little high on the wins side…I was thinking maybe 8-4 or 9-3)….and up until the other night I may have agreed with your pre-ben prediction as well….now I am thinking 0-4 before ben gets back.

  86. 66mje says: Sep 3, 2010 12:23 PM

    Should of only been 2 games, goodell always caves under public opinion and the Stillers didn’t wanna see the likes of jesse jackson or sharpton in Latrobe. Wonder why vince young, rogers, mihalega, benson were all convicted of crimes, some with video evidence and were never suspended for even one game, hmmmmm………reverse racism at it’s finest.
    That said, HERE WE GO STILLERS, HERE WE GO

  87. Richie's Rebel Rousers says: Sep 3, 2010 12:23 PM

    Hey Bob in Puerto loserville, they did a rape kit, NO EVIDENCE, all you losers get your facts straight.
    This Goodell has it out for this franchise.

  88. tk1966 says: Sep 3, 2010 12:25 PM

    Cryptker says:
    September 3, 2010 11:29 AM
    Suspended for a bye week,Wow that`s tough.
    ________________________________
    Contest over, folks. We have a winner in the “Stupidest Comment on the Board” Contest. Thank’s to the rest of you for participating.

  89. In & Out Burger says: Sep 3, 2010 12:25 PM

    A lot of people are saying “what did Ben do to warrant a lowering of his suspension?”
    All he did was behave well.
    But what you all fail to miss, is what he did to get that suspension in the first place.
    Did he get charged with rape? NO
    Did he get convicted of rape? NO
    Did he have a consistent behavior pattern of stupidity? YES
    So his suspension was brought on by acting like a moron, and his suspension was reduced for acting like a model citizen.
    As for the “bad” precedent being set here; the only bad precedent is the one that allows a player to be suspended without even being charged with a crime. Forget about how who the player is, or what team he plays for, anyone with sense knows that is wrong.

  90. mborz says: Sep 3, 2010 12:27 PM

    >>Bradwins said: Rape = 4 games. Videotaping from wrong place = -1 1st round draft pick. I’m sure this is actually really solid reasoning and is just way over my head.

  91. HamBurghlar says: Sep 3, 2010 12:29 PM

    Listen to @Deb, that’s all I gotta say.
    Oh, and the only thing he’s going to be guilty of raping*, will be DEFENSES from week 6 on! Just wait, you hatin’ biatches!
    *not glorifying rape esp. since he didn’t rape her, just makin a lil joke.

  92. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 12:30 PM

    js136202 says:
    September 3, 2010 11:43 AM
    Big ben isn’t a rapist, he’s a reprehensible human being, but no rapist. I’m sure we all knew guys from college that were like him, who didn’t “rape” girls, but weren’t exactly gentlemen around girls who had too much to drink
    ______________________
    Ummm…dude, if the girl is too drunk to consent to sex…that’s rape. Not “boys being boys” or “being a jerk”……that’s rape.

  93. ppdoc13 says: Sep 3, 2010 12:32 PM

    as if it were going to be any other way….

  94. steveinohio says: Sep 3, 2010 12:32 PM

    It’s ok, he will f up again. too stupid not to.

  95. razic says: Sep 3, 2010 12:32 PM

    I’m glad the message we send to kids is that with enough money they can rape a young girl and get away with it twice. Maybe more.
    I wish opinion columnists throughout the country would start a media firestorm about Roger and Ben.

  96. RedsDouche says: Sep 3, 2010 12:33 PM

    “Rogue says:
    September 3, 2010 11:43 AM
    I was taught in order to give respect you should also receive it. Any person who has no respect for themselves should not be respected, especially when you wear or say thing that are out of line. Do not expect any respect if you don’t show it.
    All persons are created equal and should be on the same level a equality. Not showing this is that you are puting yourself into a class that is unwarranted.
    So that also goes with some of the bloggers who write on this blog. So don’t forget to say your prayers tonight and let your mommy tuck you in.”
    So let me get this straight. If the girl had a shirt on that said DTF, then that means Ben is allowed to have his way with her even if she said no? Really? That’s a really twisted way to think. Sounds to me like you’re justifying Ben’s actions by saying “Well the girl didn’t have any respect for herself so Ben didn’t show her respect by forcing himself upon her.” No f’n way. What that should mean is “The girl obviously had no respect for herself and her body by wearing such a degrading shirt so Ben shouldn’t have given her the time of day let alone buy her drinks and have his bodyguards sweep her off into the bathroom for him.”

  97. GO24019 says: Sep 3, 2010 12:41 PM

    Everybody gets out of jail early for good behavior

  98. Simon12345 says: Sep 3, 2010 12:41 PM

    # j-daddy says: September 3, 2010 11:34 AM
    So don’t commit a crime, don’t have charges brought against you, etc etc, and you get suspended for four games? I don’t think Ben is blameless, but there’s no consistency with who Goodell suspends and who he doesn’t.
    Anyone who claims that the Steelers get special considerations from the league after this crock of crap needs to have their head examined. Go to the police blotter on this website and explain to me why all the drunk drivers out there haven’t been suspended. There’s no logic to what Goodell does.
    You know, this is a pretty good point. Not defending Ben necessarily but let’s face it the only reason this is such a big deal is that it was a big media story. I’ve looked at that police blotter before and there is all sorts of misbehavior with no league follow up. It’s almost really like they need just a hard and fast rule correlating certain behavior (which has been PROVEN) with certain punishments — with the commissioner only changing the punishment for extraordinary circumstances.

  99. clintcooper says: Sep 3, 2010 12:43 PM

    Simply unbelievable. Great message to send Goodell. I thought this guy had some balls, but he’s just another clown. I hope Roger gets run over by a bus, and I hope a meteor lands on Ben’s ugly face.

  100. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 12:43 PM

    Roethlisberger wasn’t suspended for rape. Goodell couldn’t suspend him for that, because there wasn’t enough evidence to formally charge him with it.
    _____________
    Everyone seems to forget that the NFL has their own investigators. These are guys who are actually professionals (many former FBI agents, etc), not some backwoods police department or DA’s office. They went in there and found out what actually happened, hence the suspension. They couldn’t, however, suspend him for a season because then they would have had to release the information relating to why and admit what everyone outside of Pittsburgh already knows.

  101. GO24019 says: Sep 3, 2010 12:44 PM

    I love the comments from Brown’s fans about how they are going to beat the Steelers. How many times in a row did the lose before the squeaked one out last year? Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then and the Browns are about as close to being an NFL “blind squirrel” as there is. Don’t you have a basketball player you should be wasting your time hating on?

  102. Deb says: Sep 3, 2010 12:45 PM

    @js136202 …
    I appreciate that you’re smart enough to know no one was raped, and agree Ben is a jackass. But I’m intrigued by your comment about men who aren’t gentlemen around drunk women.
    I’ve spent a lot of time with rape victims and no means no. And there’s no excuse for sober men taking advantage of incapacitated women. But we have to take SOME responsibility for our own bodies.
    The DA said Roethlisberger was also extremely drunk. Georgia was drinking illegally before joining Ben. He didn’t ply her with alcohol but bought rounds for the room, which the waitress placed on the table; she chose to imbibe. The medical exam indicated she’d already had sex with someone else that day; when asked about that, the DA said he couldn’t violate her privacy.
    She was wearing a pin that said she was DTF and willingly translated that to Ben and his party as “Down to F**K.” Witnesses said pursued him all evening, pinching him to get his attention and that she was all over him at the nightclub. She and her friends tried to persuade him to come back to their place. Ultimately, the medical exam showed they did not have intercourse so no rape occurred.
    If he’s sober, that’s a different story. But if a drunken woman climbs all over a drunken man and willingly has sex with him, why is that any more his responsibility than hers?

  103. if yer not first... says: Sep 3, 2010 12:53 PM

    But if a drunken woman climbs all over a drunken man and willingly has sex with him, why is that any more his responsibility than hers?
    uh it’s not – Deb once again you just keep talking and talking and talking and wind up invalidating your own point.
    As you clearly state in the paragraph before this one – THEY DID NOT HAVE SEX – willingly or otherwise.
    Ben’s still an effin scumbag pig however.

  104. The Terminator says: Sep 3, 2010 12:57 PM

    hey js136202….tell me again how your Brown Clowns stack up against my Steelers?
    SB wins:
    Browns = 0
    Steelers = 6
    Hell you guys can’t even make one appearance let alone WIN one!
    No wonder you hate Big Ben….LOL!
    Go Steelers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  105. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 12:58 PM

    Deb says:
    September 3, 2010 12:45 PM
    If he’s sober, that’s a different story. But if a drunken woman climbs all over a drunken man and willingly has sex with him, why is that any more his responsibility than hers?
    ______________
    Wait, I thought they never had sex.
    Which is it?

  106. Whatever897 says: Sep 3, 2010 12:59 PM

    Gautam says: September 3, 2010 11:55 AM
    can you imagine if ‘normal’ society had the same set of rules for guys who go around sexually assaulting women ?
    ______________________________________
    They DO have rules in ‘normal’ society for guys who go around sexually assaulting women…. It’s called prosecution and a guilty verdict. In this case, Ben WASN’T prosecuted, nor did the prosecutor find enough evidence to even consider it. And in case a few of you can’t put 2 and 2 together, for the record, he was never found guilty of any crime.
    Time to move on people – the season is about to start.

  107. Pockets Straight says: Sep 3, 2010 12:59 PM

    “Jason La Canfora of NFL Network was the first to report that Goodell reduced the suspension,”
    I believe Mike Wise was the first to report it… Canfora was the first to report it accurately.

  108. Allan says: Sep 3, 2010 1:04 PM

    Wow, the IQ level on this board is at an all time low with some of these posts. Let me bring it down some more…
    I think most people are missing the point. There are a ton of you hung up on the fact that he was never charged or convicted of anything. You are correct, but using that in the context of determining the suspension is not. Ben violated the personal conduct policy. He violated the policy because he was accused of rape/sexual misconduct on TWO seperate occassions. The first would have ended with Goodell doing nothing because he gave Ben the benefit of the doubt. The second time it happened, a red flag goes up for the NFL. Obviously, Ben is making poor decisions when it comes to women and it needed to be addressed.
    Is Ben’s punishment more harsh than it would have been for another player of lesser caliber?YES, and here is why it should be…
    Ben has won two Super Bowls and is the face of the Steeler franchise. He is a hero to his fans and one of the best quarterbacks in the league (hard to say as a Ravens fan). He represents the league in a different way than most NFL players because of what he has accomplished.
    Notice that Roethlisberger’s camp did not file a grievance (at least not that I am aware of) with the players union alledging unfair treatment? That is because, even though he is a big dumb oaf when it comes to how he has treated women in the past, Ben knows that (regardless of whether a crime was committed or not) he is paid FAR too much and is FAR to important to the league to be making decisions like this. Ben did not have to commit a crime for punishment to be justified.
    Too many people are focusing on the fact that he is innocent in the eyes of the law. The NFL is not a democracy. It is a business that runs within it’s own guidelines and policies. It even has a union to protect it’s players, so I am sure if the NFLPA had any evidence that he was being treated unfairly, there would have been a grievance, investigation, and subsequent hearing. None of that happened.
    If you are going to be so hung up about how UNFAIR the NFL is handing out suspensions, STOP WATCHING FOOTBALL

  109. GO24019 says: Sep 3, 2010 1:05 PM

    if yer not first…
    You MAY be right, but the only reason you care is because he’s probably led the Steelers to victory over your favorite team. Do you take this much interest in other rape cases?

  110. khall says: Sep 3, 2010 1:07 PM

    The Real Shuxion says: September 3, 2010 12:12 PM
    “Four games sounds fair. He may not have raped her but he did expose himself in a bar (proven)…”
    Proven? How? Lets see the proof of your statement. And don’t use the words of the accuser as your proof of this, she told so many different versions of what happened that night even she couldn’t keep them straight from interview to interview.

  111. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 1:07 PM

    Whatever897 says:
    September 3, 2010 12:59 PM
    Gautam says: September 3, 2010 11:55 AM
    They DO have rules in ‘normal’ society for guys who go around sexually assaulting women…. It’s called prosecution and a guilty verdict. In this case, Ben WASN’T prosecuted, nor did the prosecutor find enough evidence to even consider it. And in case a few of you can’t put 2 and 2 together, for the record, he was never found guilty of any crime.
    Time to move on people – the season is about to start
    ___________________
    First of all, you don’t know at all that the prosecutor “never considered” pressing charges. Ridiculous to say. He obviously considered it. Second, for some hick DA, if he’s going to go after a national celebrity, he damn well better be 100% POSITIVE that he can get a conviction. So now, you go from needing to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt to being POSITIVE you CAN prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why he didn’t have him arrested. Also, Roethlisberger paying the girl off didn’t help the case.

  112. wyoff says: Sep 3, 2010 1:07 PM

    “He may not have raped her but he did expose himself in a bar (proven)”
    When was this “proven”? Where do you people come up with this stuff?

  113. BorisBulldog says: Sep 3, 2010 1:16 PM

    That’s is awesome, I was praying for a 4 week suspension!
    A 1-3 PIT coming in to CLE in week 6 and the Browns hand Big Jen another 8 sack loss?
    It don’t get better then that!

  114. js136202 says: Sep 3, 2010 1:17 PM

    Deb
    People tend to take one of two perspectives on the matter, either he raped her or they had consentual sex. Anyone who thinks objectively on their youth can recall that gray area, where a girl appears to be interested in having sex but probably had too much to drink to be making that decision. A good sign that you’re in that gray area is when you are having sex on a bathroom floor.
    I tend to think you are a fairly objective person and enjoy your perspective on the matter, even if I have to sift through 65 morons to find it.
    Terminator
    Good point, the 6 Super Bowl victories that your football team has greatly exceeds that of my Browns and therefore validates your life and makes it hard for me to go on living. If the team I enjoy rooting for doesn’t win a Super Bowl, I might as well just eat a bullet.

  115. js136202 says: Sep 3, 2010 1:19 PM

    Terminator
    One more thing, my opinion of ben roethlisberger is that as a person, he’s a degenerate. Many pittsburgh fans share my opinion. Having worked for an NFL team and meeting many current and former players, I also know that many, many NFL players are also degenerates, if that makes you feel any better.

  116. 420fan says: Sep 3, 2010 1:21 PM

    winning super bowls for lowly Squeeler fans is more important than family morals. What a sad state of our country. Bet if it was your daughter, you would think diferently. Maybe not.
    its all about the money, not how you got it, right.

  117. Tombradysbaby says: Sep 3, 2010 1:25 PM

    Hey I hate the Steelers as much as anyone else does, but the prosecutors in case had to drop their investigation this week because of lack of evidence. So it’s down to circumstantial evidence that doesn’t even look like they will be enough for a civil case.

  118. paul says: Sep 3, 2010 1:27 PM

    Terminator – the reason people hate him is because he is a rapist and worse has gotten away with it.
    When people in his own home town don’t have anything nice to say (so he pouted and changed his hometown in his bio) what does that say?

  119. neilp says: Sep 3, 2010 1:33 PM

    It is really hard not to smell a rat here… 4 game ban coincides with the bye week.
    Franchise QB on a storied team with admittedly some classy owners…
    Hard to believe, real hard!

  120. steelersmichele says: Sep 3, 2010 1:36 PM

    All the comments about how Ben’s situation is a bad example for children is utterly ridiculous.
    The entire NFL sets a bad example for children…
    –Refusing to work when you have a contract
    –Demanding more money
    –Demanding to be traded
    –DUIs
    –Domestic Abuse
    –Drug use
    Or maybe to turn things around, it teaches kids that you don’t have to be arrested, charged or convicted to get in trouble. All you need to be is accused–so keep yourself out of trouble any way you can.

  121. Bdrunk says: Sep 3, 2010 1:48 PM

    PLEASE keep it up! The folks trying to take a moral high ground are cracking me up!
    Biggest laugh so far…this tough guy:
    clintcooper says:
    September 3, 2010 12:43 PM
    “Simply unbelievable. Great message to send Goodell. I thought this guy had some balls, but he’s just another clown. I hope Roger gets run over by a bus, and I hope a meteor lands on Ben’s ugly face.”
    You can just feel his hatred here.
    Honorable mention:
    ECOX says:
    September 3, 2010 11:32 AM
    “I’m sure Goodell’s decision has satisfied the victim. Her chastity surely wasn’t important to her anyhow. Courts don’t help and now the NFL doesn’t help. I bet all Las Vegas employees are scum of the earth and deserve to be raped also.
    Congrats OJ…I mean, Ben! ”
    —————————
    Oh Lordy keep em comin’!

  122. frostymugobeer says: Sep 3, 2010 1:49 PM

    pitt won’t even make a wildcard spot this year anyway….

  123. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Sep 3, 2010 1:50 PM

    Good behavior or money for the NFL, hmmm ?
    Not saying he was guilty in the first place but this makes the league look stupid, front office and players

  124. GO24019 says: Sep 3, 2010 1:54 PM

    Boris
    You better keep praying because that is the only chance the Clowns have…a prayer

  125. GO24019 says: Sep 3, 2010 1:56 PM

    420fan
    Your screen name says all we need to know about your family values. Better keep getting high, maybe the Clowns can win something in your halucinations

  126. Bdrunk says: Sep 3, 2010 1:57 PM

    EverybodyGotAIDS says:
    September 3, 2010 1:07 PM
    First of all, you don’t know at all that the prosecutor “never considered” pressing charges. Ridiculous to say. He obviously considered it. Second, for some hick DA, if he’s going to go after a national celebrity, he damn well better be 100% POSITIVE that he can get a conviction. So now, you go from needing to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt to being POSITIVE you CAN prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why he didn’t have him arrested. Also, Roethlisberger paying the girl off didn’t help the case.
    ————————-
    Classic wind up. Well played sir!

  127. GO24019 says: Sep 3, 2010 2:00 PM

    One more thing 420fan:
    You make a unique observation when after making a comment about Steeler fans, you make a comment about the country.
    You are correct. We do live in STEELER NATION!

  128. kravon says: Sep 3, 2010 2:00 PM

    Hey Steeler haters – yeah you, the one reading my comment.
    Its done – 4 game suspension. Move on already. The hate and anger bubbling inside is not good for you.
    If Roethlisberger was the quarterback of the KC Chiefs with zero superbowl titles, you would not care.
    Kravon
    PFT Charter Member

  129. In & Out Burger says: Sep 3, 2010 2:10 PM

    @Allan
    You seem to be missing the overall point. Most of the arguments being made in Ben’s favor are that the NFL is projecting its own morals in suspending Ben. Since he didn’t get charged or convicted, he broke no law, but the NFL still has the right to suspend him? That is a problem. Whatever you believed happened is irrelevant, nothing was proven. And if nothing was proven than the only statement being made by his suspension is that he is being suspended for acting like an idiot in the eyes of the NFL. But that is simply their opinion. We have had drunk drivers, people who beat their wives, or sometimes their assistant coaches, and plenty of people who are just generally rude, or stupid or both.
    The NFL shouldn’t be allowed to suspend players for behavior that isn’t illegal or in violation of an NFL rule. And they shouldn’t be able to make rules that can be left up to interpretation. Vince Young punched a guy (however awful of a punch it might have been) in a club and received nothing. Why? Because the league decided it wasn’t a big deal. That is insanely unfair. As for Ben being the “face of a team” what about Favre? It sure sounds like someone accused him of a little misconduct. Why hasn’t he been suspended?
    As for your horrible misguided point that Ben made no attempt to challenge the ruling, you fail to consider that Ben has to think about his image. At the time he was 5th on the top 5 most hated athletes list. Had he appealed and made a bigger deal out of this, how what do you think the fan reaction would have been? The fact that Ben didn’t challenge the ruling, in itself, doesn’t prove anything.
    Here is what the NFL needs to do: make a chart of crimes and punishments.
    DUI – 2 games
    Violated Probation – 4 games
    and on and on. And then stick to it! It is ridiculous that one guy just picks and chooses punishments based on his own opinion. There should be a set number of games for every offense in the NFL.

  130. Ilovefoolsball says: Sep 3, 2010 2:12 PM

    He may be only suspended for 4 games but thou shall forever be known from this day forth as RAPISTBERGER!

  131. Chapnasty. says: Sep 3, 2010 2:17 PM

    The Steelers suck and so does Fat Ben…… 6-10 this year if they are lucky with Peyton Manning as their QB

  132. Whatever897 says: Sep 3, 2010 2:18 PM

    EverybodyGotAIDS says: September 3, 2010 1:07 PM
    “First of all, you don’t know at all that the prosecutor “never considered” pressing charges. Ridiculous to say. He obviously considered it. Second, for some hick DA, if he’s going to go after a national celebrity, he damn well better be 100% POSITIVE that he can get a conviction. So now, you go from needing to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt to being POSITIVE you CAN prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why he didn’t have him arrested. Also, Roethlisberger paying the girl off didn’t help the case.”
    ____________________________________
    Now, who’s the genius? Do you have any proof that Roethlisberger paid off the girl? When spout stuff out your @ss, you still smell like an @ss. You have no more proof that the girl was paid off than I do about the ‘never considered’ comment.
    In the long run, the point I’m trying to make is that the dude wasn’t put on trial (except in the court of public opinion), prosecuted, convicted, sentenced for supposed crime, etc… Yeah, nada. NONE of that occurred. Is Ben an idiot? Yes. Is he guilty of rape. Absolutely not – except in the court of public opinion.

  133. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 2:18 PM

    Bdrunk says:
    September 3, 2010 1:57 PM
    Classic wind up. Well played sir!
    ____________
    It was a pretty awesome post, and you have to admit the logic is there. Agree or disagree, you can’t really punch a hole in anything I said.

  134. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 2:26 PM

    In & Out Burger says:
    September 3, 2010 2:10 PM
    @Allan
    You seem to be missing the overall point. Most of the arguments being made in Ben’s favor are that the NFL is projecting its own morals in suspending Ben. Since he didn’t get charged or convicted, he broke no law, but the NFL still has the right to suspend him?
    ____________________
    You seem to be missing the overall point. Just because someone isn’t charged with a crime….that doesn’t mean they didn’t do it. It means that, based on the information available, the DA doesn’t feel that they could prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty of a crime. That’s it. It doesn’t mean they didn’t do it. It doesn’t mean there wasn’t enough information to reasonably infer that they did it, just that the DA wasn’t confident enough in his ability to secure a conviction.
    If I walk up to someone, shoot them in the back of the head and run away, and no one sees me….and I don’t leave any evidence….does that mean I didn’t break the law?

  135. David says: Sep 3, 2010 2:28 PM

    Big Ben must have pulled a hankie and shed a tear. Goodell needs his head examined because this only opens the door to more bad conduct and now everybody will want a break. Might as well make the NFL a joke so they can join Major League Baseball

  136. GO24019 says: Sep 3, 2010 2:28 PM

    Chapnasty:
    Peyton Manning is no longer better than Big Ben.

  137. Whatever897 says: Sep 3, 2010 2:31 PM

    Just did – with a few grammatical errors, but hey… I’m dealing with people who pat themselves on the back for foolishness…. Why would I expect them to recognize the common sense of it all?

  138. Allan says: Sep 3, 2010 2:34 PM

    @In and Out Burger
    Horribly misguided? Trust me, if the league policies for suspensions were SO out of balance, the NFLPA would step in and address it. That is the beauty of a union. Obviously this is topic is up for debate because neither of us are privy to all of the information, but I just cannot see the NFLPA standing by a suspension if it was outside of the policies and procedures agreed upon by the union and the NFL.
    You are right that Ben not challenging the suspension doesnt prove anything. The bottom line is that NOTHING has been proven in this case and the NFL is making the statement that nothing HAS to be proven in order to merit a suspension. I can see where some would take issue with this, but I just do not see how Ben could have gotten through this without some sort of reaction from the league.
    Isn’t Farve being investigated?
    Also, you said: The NFL shouldn’t be allowed to suspend players for behavior that isn’t illegal or in violation of an NFL rule.
    That is your opinion, but not one that I agree with. The NFL is not perfect, but I applaud them for attempting to set a higher standard for these players. They are paid way too much for this kind of behavior.
    I am sure you dont agree with every policy set forth by your employer (assuming you work for the man), but I am also sure that doesn’t mean anything to your employer.
    Good arguments though and thank you for refraining from name calling or belittling my opinion.

  139. themage78 says: Sep 3, 2010 2:34 PM

    The Terminator says:
    September 3, 2010 12:57 PM
    hey js136202….tell me again how your Brown Clowns stack up against my Steelers?
    SB wins:
    Browns = 0
    Steelers = 6
    Hell you guys can’t even make one appearance let alone WIN one!
    No wonder you hate Big Ben….LOL!
    Go Steelers!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
    ————————————————-
    Ah Steeler logic. Shows why you have such a great sh*thole of a city.
    The current iteration of the Browns have only been in existence for 11 years, while the former Browns is now the Baltimore Ravens.
    The Browns/Ravens have won 8 titles and 1 Super Bowl.
    Sure the Steelers have won 6 Super bowls, but the last one was so given to them it’s not funny. What team gets home field advantage because of a bogus Td catch? the guy wasn’t over the line and the refs gave it to them. The Ravens probably would’ve won the game, and gotten home field advantage. The Steelers got it and beat scrubs in order to get into the Super Bowl.

  140. Whatever897 says: Sep 3, 2010 2:39 PM

    EverybodyGotAIDS says: September 3, 2010 2:26 PM
    If I walk up to someone, shoot them in the back of the head and run away, and no one sees me….and I don’t leave any evidence….does that mean I didn’t break the law?
    ____________________________________
    Yes, you’re guilty. But let’s reverse that… Let’s say you mentioned (at some point) that you didn’t like the guy who got shot in the back of the head. Or let’s say some girl tried to hit on you and you turned her down, then the guy was killed and she said you did it. And you get thrown in jail for it. There is no DNA evidence to prove you did it, except for the word of a girl you didn’t want to date. You’re convicted… suspended from your job, whatever. Yeah, THAT’S fair. (eyeroll)
    Roethlisberger is an idiot and he should be disciplined for conduct detrimental to the team, but to continually harp on the ‘rape’ nonsense, is.. well… nonsense.

  141. Bdrunk says: Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM

    @themage78:
    Cheer up little buckaroo. I hear the Ravens are again the pre-season favorites to win the Super Bowl, and the Brownies are once again “getting better.” The loooooooong wait will be worth it.
    Forbes magazine disagrees with your opinion of Pittsburgh (the city).

  142. irishvikesfan says: Sep 3, 2010 3:01 PM

    GO24019 says: September 3, 2010 2:28 PM
    Chapnasty:
    Peyton Manning is no longer better than Big Ben.
    ……………………………………………………………………….
    Seriously,are you high?

  143. Bdrunk says: Sep 3, 2010 3:10 PM

    EverybodyGotAIDS says:
    September 3, 2010 2:18 PM
    It was a pretty awesome post, and you have to admit the logic is there. Agree or disagree, you can’t really punch a hole in anything I said.
    —————–
    If your goal is to be considered a sensible fan with a differing opinion, leave out statements such as “Also, Roethlisberger paying the girl off didn’t help the case.” You only shut the door to further baiting and it exposes the trolling. Other than that, I enjoy your banter.
    P.S. Banter is not Pittsburghese for “love butter”.

  144. steelersmichele says: Sep 3, 2010 3:36 PM

    In & Our Burger: Thank you for your post. I think you captured the thoughts of many Steelers fans on this site: (1) We don’t support Ben’s actions at all, and (2) the whole concept that the NFL can suspend a player for almost any reason without charges, arrests or convictions may get out of hand.
    EverybodyGotAIDS: besides you’re misleading screen name, this is what you said: “If I walk up to someone, shoot them in the back of the head and run away, and no one sees me….and I don’t leave any evidence….does that mean I didn’t break the law?”
    Here’s my response to that? Yes, you broke the law. But if you didn’t leave evidence, you didn’t get arrested, and no one saw you, you’re off the hook… but if you went to work one day and your boss fired you because he thought you shot that man, what would your response be?
    You’d say “you can’t fire me. You can’t prove that I did it. I didn’t get convicted of the crime, so you can’t fire me.”
    Not saying you wouldn’t be getting your due by getting fired, but is your boss the law?

  145. pfft says: Sep 3, 2010 4:11 PM

    Wow, the IQ level on this board is at an all time low with some of these posts. Let me bring it down some more…
    I think most people are missing the point. There are a ton of you hung up on the fact that he was never charged or convicted of anything. You are correct, but using that in the context of determining the suspension is not. Ben violated the personal conduct policy. He violated the policy because he was accused of rape/sexual misconduct on TWO seperate occassions. The first would have ended with Goodell doing nothing because he gave Ben the benefit of the doubt. The second time it happened, a red flag goes up for the NFL. Obviously, Ben is making poor decisions when it comes to women and it needed to be addressed.
    Is Ben’s punishment more harsh than it would have been for another player of lesser caliber?YES, and here is why it should be…
    Ben has won two Super Bowls and is the face of the Steeler franchise. He is a hero to his fans and one of the best quarterbacks in the league (hard to say as a Ravens fan). He represents the league in a different way than most NFL players because of what he has accomplished.
    Notice that Roethlisberger’s camp did not file a grievance (at least not that I am aware of) with the players union alledging unfair treatment? That is because, even though he is a big dumb oaf when it comes to how he has treated women in the past, Ben knows that (regardless of whether a crime was committed or not) he is paid FAR too much and is FAR to important to the league to be making decisions like this. Ben did not have to commit a crime for punishment to be justified.
    Too many people are focusing on the fact that he is innocent in the eyes of the law. The NFL is not a democracy. It is a business that runs within it’s own guidelines and policies. It even has a union to protect it’s players, so I am sure if the NFLPA had any evidence that he was being treated unfairly, there would have been a grievance, investigation, and subsequent hearing. None of that happened.
    If you are going to be so hung up about how UNFAIR the NFL is handing out suspensions, STOP WATCHING FOOTBALL
    As a Steeler fan I agree with this 100% good job first intellagent post I have ever heard from a Ravens Fan.

  146. 420fan says: Sep 3, 2010 4:17 PM

    GO24019
    you know my family values? From a Screen name. Your really good then. Another douchebag ben apologist

  147. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 5:12 PM

    Yes, you’re guilty. But let’s reverse that… Let’s say you mentioned (at some point) that you didn’t like the guy who got shot in the back of the head. Or let’s say some girl tried to hit on you and you turned her down, then the guy was killed and she said you did it. And you get thrown in jail for it. There is no DNA evidence to prove you did it, except for the word of a girl you didn’t want to date. You’re convicted… suspended from your job, whatever. Yeah, THAT’S fair. (eyeroll)
    ____________________
    Yeah, that only works for the first time. If girls keep coming up saying I killed someone…..sooner or later one of them is going to be right. You keep acting like this an isolated incident. Why has he been accused……3 (is it 3 or 4?) times?
    If you can answer that, I’ll be more than happy to listen. You could try the whole “He’s a professional athlete! He’s a target!” thing….but there are literally thousands of guys who have gone through the NFL without ever being accused of rape, let alone multiple times.
    Seriously, give me a real reason why this guy has earned the benefit of the doubt.

  148. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 5:17 PM

    P.S. Banter is not Pittsburghese for “love butter”.
    __________
    Really? I would imagine that would be like the Eskimo’s and snow with you people. Oh wait, love butter like man juice. Thought you meant “(I) love butter”.

  149. steelers rule says: Sep 3, 2010 5:22 PM

    He was never charged! Should been ZERO GAMES!

  150. Deb says: Sep 3, 2010 5:28 PM

    OH GOOD GRIEF!!!!!
    @Everybody Got AIDS & If yer not first …
    BEN DID NOT HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH DTF. The medical exam makes that clear. YOU CANNOT HAVE INTERCOURSE WITHOUT LEAVING SOMETHING BEHIND–semen, pubic hair, condom lubricant … something. None of that was found. The only thing found was so tiny and degraded it had to have come from an earlier sexual encounter. Asked whether she’d had an earlier sexual encounter, the DA said he couldn’t violate her privacy.
    My last paragraph about the two drunks was NOT about Ben and DTF. It was a hypothetical question. Recently, there have been several cases where both parties were drunk, the women gave all indication of consenting and had even had sex with the guys prior to that, but on THAT occasion they later said they couldn’t consent because they were too drunk and cried rape. I was wondering what he thought of those situations. If both parties are drunk, why is the man more responsible than the woman?
    YES Everybody Got AIDS, I KNOW the DA NEVER considered pressing charges. I know because he said at the press conference that the investigators didn’t even have enough for probable cause–which is defined as a reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred and the accused did it. THEY didn’t even have enough evidence for a reasonable suspicion that a rape occurred or that Ben did it.
    The DA said he had nothing–even with her testimony.
    That’s pretty clearcut.
    @js136202 … Thanks :)

  151. macowaco says: Sep 3, 2010 5:35 PM

    Goodell has no BALLS. These thugs should not even be allowed to play in the NFL and especially for millions of dollars. Good going Roger, next time maybe one of yours on the end of the raper. You are a piece of sh.. I mean cake for the NFL.

  152. Deb says: Sep 3, 2010 5:44 PM

    @razic … LOL The media firestorm is why Ben was suspended four games for being a frat boy. The media:
    * quoted only the accuser’s salacious statements and those of her sorority sisters, not ALL those refuting them.
    * quoted the part of the medical exam that was consistent with sexual assault, omitting details that ruled out intercourse that evening or were consistent w/her having sex earlier.
    * quoted people who’d had bad experiences w/Ben the jackass–never noting that celebrity jackasses do not = sexual predators.
    * quoted women saying he’d been crude and boorish not mentioning that he was alone w/them yet they left unmolested.
    * said the DA’s office didn’t have resources to try the case. Untrue. That office is well-funded and has a large staff of experienced prosecutors. The investigation was not conducted by local police, but by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation–a highly respected state police unit. The labwork was done by state crime labs.
    * told unsubstantiated stories about payoffs, never mentioning that the DA made clear he had NO evidence with or without the accuser’s cooperation.
    * repeatedly talked about smoke & fire, never mentioning Andrea McNulty’s texts saying she wanted to see Ben again.
    Oh, honey. The media did a bang-up job w/this one. Right, Florio?
    Ben deserved a kick in the pants for being a reckless egomaniac. And I don’t think anything less than a suspension of at least 2-3 games would have gotten his attention. But he doesn’t deserve to be branded a rapist. And those women SURE don’t deserve a breath of sympathy–as their own coworkers and townspeople seem to know quite well.

  153. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 3, 2010 6:11 PM

    YES Everybody Got AIDS, I KNOW the DA NEVER considered pressing charges. I know because he said at the press conference that the investigators didn’t even have enough for probable cause–which is defined as a reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred and the accused did it. THEY didn’t even have enough evidence for a reasonable suspicion that a rape occurred or that Ben did it.
    _______________
    So you’re in the guy’s head?
    Also, why does this sort of thing seem to follow Roethlisberger around? Multiple women……multiple cities…..
    Why’s that?

  154. Ashamed for the Steelers says: Sep 3, 2010 6:41 PM

    As a life long supporter and fan of the Steelers, I have to admit I ashamed for the team and the NFL. Big Ben doesn’t deserve an opportunity to play in the NFL, let alone for the Steelers. Art should trade him to another team.
    The man has a problem; having committed the same crime twice and not “paying” dearly for what he has done is a slap to those that supported a team and the NFL. Four games is a joke, for that matter 6 games was too…
    I’ve burned my jerseys and no longer watch the games! Those of you with sisters, daughters or mothers should do the same in protest of such a lite “sentence”.
    Sickened by this predator…

  155. In & Out Burger says: Sep 3, 2010 7:36 PM

    @Allen
    No problem. God forbid someone act with maturity on this board.
    You said:
    “the NFL is making the statement that nothing HAS to be proven in order to merit a suspension.”
    That is what I take issue with. I think you have to prove something to be held accountable for it. I am sure plenty of people will get away with something and still get to play in the league, but, I would rather a league full of unproven guilty people, than a league without innocently accused.
    In arguments like this, I always look for who has concrete evidence on their side. In this case, regardless of how you feel about them, the Steeler’s fans have the evidence on their side. Nothing was proven.
    As for the NFLPA, I am sticking with my assumption that Ben or the Steelers or both quietly asked them to let this one die in the hopes of rebuilding an image.
    My biggest problem is this, I think we all (by all I mean reasonable people) agree that the first accusation (Nevada) was total crap. There is a ton of evidence that supports that, and evidence to show that woman may in fact be acting outside of the law herself. But because of that (probably) false accusation, Ben’s punishment for the second one probably became steeper.
    That is why you have to take power out of the leagues hands. I don’t think any one person (especially the current one) is smart enough, or has the character, to act as judge and jury. That is why our legal system was so brilliantly set up, that the power is extremely limited. And that is how the NFL should be as well.
    Thank you for your arguments. In a sea of mindless bias opinions, yours clearly stands out as one that came from logic and critical thinking, as opposed to the “how can I screw over/protect the Steelers and their QB.”

  156. Deb says: Sep 3, 2010 7:48 PM

    Ashamed for the Steelers? ROFL … Hello, Unifan.
    @EverybodyGotAIDS …
    He’s a prosecutor. He said they didn’t even have enough for probable cause.
    Probable cause = a reasonable suspicion a crime occurred and Ben did it.
    If he didn’t even have a reasonable suspicion a crime occurred, he never considered prosecuting.
    Not too bright, are you?
    “Multiple” is one of my favorite words. But it doesn’t apply to Ben. He’s been the target of ONE civil and ONE criminal accusation. If there had been no civil accusation by the woman who texted friends she wanted to see him again, there would have been no criminal accusation by the one who didn’t have intercourse. McNulty gave the sorority sisters the idea.

  157. khall says: Sep 3, 2010 7:50 PM

    I realize this is like talking to a very long wall and getting no response, but HAVE ANY OF THE HATERS ACTUALLY READ D.A BRIGHT’S PRESS CONFERENCE COMMENTS?
    You may learn something:
    “The crime of rape has three elements: sexual intercourse, which requires penetration, forcibly, and against her will. All three elements, I’ve got a problem proving all three of those.”
    But of course, all the investigators on here just KNOW he did it because, well, just because!

  158. Deb says: Sep 3, 2010 8:40 PM

    @khall … Even those transcripts are edited; I believe they omit the DA’s ending comments about hoping the women learned their lesson. That’s why I’ve listened to the full recording so many times.
    @Allan …
    Whether or not there was evidence to charge is incidental to me. I’ve dealt with rape victims and assault issues for years and just wanted to know the likelihood of guilt. So I skipped the media spec, and researched official docs, which is part of my profession. In Nevada, they have her text messages directly contradicting her accusation. And Georgia’s medical exam shows she couldn’t have had consensual or nonconsensual intercourse with Ben as she alleged.
    NFL Security employs ex-FBI, police investigators went to Georgia and met w/investigators. Like me, they know Ben is innocent of rape and reported that to Goodell–which is why the suspension letter didn’t mention sexual misconduct.
    Even so, I fully support Ben’s suspension. His behavior has been reckless and irresponsible. He’s endangered his life, jeopardizing the team’s $100 million asset, and refused to listen to Cowher and Tomlin’s efforts to right his course. A suspension for frat-boy behavior in which no one was injured and no laws broken shouldn’t have been more than 4 games w/possible reduction to 2. Because acted to appease the public, Goodell overreached and hasn’t followed through w/other players. He’s sending the message behavior matters less if you matter less.
    The NFLPA didn’t appeal because the Steelers were appalled by Ben’s antics and negative PR and told both he and Goodell they would suspend him if the NFL did not. Basically, “Dad” told him to take his medicine so he did. I only wish “Dad” given it to him so Roger wouldn’t seem to be such a hypocritical worm.

  159. Allan says: Sep 3, 2010 9:27 PM

    @ In and Out Burger
    Don’t get me wrong, I love the competitive nature of the Steelers/Ravens rivalry, but at the end of the day it is just sports.
    I love the Ravens and always want them to win, but I respect the hell out of the Steelers. They have accomplished one of the hardest things to do in all of team sports (IMO) , not once, but 6 TIMES. If you cannot tip your hat to that, I might have to call you a homer. You can respect a team and still hate them. :)
    I can be honest about the talent level on other teams. Ben is a great quarterback, he has engineered some of the most annoyingly great drives in his time. That throw for a TD to Mike Wallace (i think that’s who it was) to beat the Packers was a thing of beauty. To know that you have to win this game to keep your already slim playoff hopes alive and still make that throw where only the receiver had a chance, is awesome. I hated it, but you had to respect it.
    My bottom line on the Ravens this year is that they have the players and the coaching staff to be an elite team this year. It hinges on two major factors. The maturation of Joe Flacco and the play of a banged up secondary. My opinion is that Joe Flacco will blossom into a star this year. I may eat those words, but based on his play in the third preseason game, he is ready to make the next step. He made some IMPRESSIVE throws in that game. People want to get all over Joe Flacco and his playoff quarterback rating. Let’s all remember that he was a rookie in his first 3 playoff performances and was banged up in the last 2. Is he going to be Manning or Brady? nah probably not. Is he going to be a star that has the ability to lead a team to a championship? I am confident the answer is yes. A 3-2 ROAD record in the playoffs in your first two years, that is impressive.
    The secondary is my biggest concern. Josh Wilson is a nice pickup that has me feeling a bit more confident. The fact though is that our secondary had a penchant for giving up the big play. My concern is that in a tight game in the playoffs, one big play is all you need. Unfortunately, the teams we would be playing (Cincinatti, Pittsburgh, Indy, SD) are able to make big plays through the air. (Note: I am also not sold on Carson Palmer returning to form as of yet).
    I guess the bottom line is that I do my very best to keep my purple glasses in their case. Ray Lewis is not a murderer and Ben Roethlisberger is not a rapist.

  160. Allan says: Sep 3, 2010 9:51 PM

    @Deb
    I applaud your research and my hope is that someday someone has the guts to out the media on not reporting the whole story. If the man was innocent it is only fair to treat him as such. I think ESPN has us all brainwashed. I am sure he did something morally questionable or rude, but I think that was the extent of it
    That being said (and I think we agree here), Ben suspension was caused by his behavior, not any laws actually being broken. We both know that after the Lake Tahoe incident, that any reasonable human being would have done everything within their power to distance themselves from that situation again. Ben (and my understanding is that he is not a nice guy) was pigheaded and thought he was above the law (just my opinion, but the actions reflect a person with a huge ego). That is why he was suspended.
    I am not sure if I am ready to say that Goodell overreached (i am not 100% opposed either). He set out to make an example of Ben. About how serious he is as a commissioner, and sent a message to all the players that he just will not tolerate the few making the whole look bad. I believe that very soon we could start to see a shift to more severe punishments. I said in a previous post that I have no problem with the biggest stars getting the harshest penalties. Ben’s behavior has a much larger impact on the reputation of the NFL than the back-up defensive lineman has. It is just the truth. Maybe it isnt fair, but they are trying to protect themselves from negative press. The bottom line for me is that something has to convince these MILLIONARES that being rich should be good enough.
    I am sure you disagree pm the last point, you don’t seem like a Goodell fan.

  161. In & Out Burger says: Sep 3, 2010 10:46 PM

    @Allen
    I totally respect your view point, and I would feel the same way if Ray Lewis were suspended for any amount of time.
    I am a Niners fan, so the poll placings of the AFC North are of little concern to me, but from an outside perspective, it is the Raven’s division to lose. The Bengals have been highly over ratted because of their high profile moves. The Browns are the Browns. And the Steelers, while I think are the most talented team top to bottom, will have a very rough first four (I am thinking 1-3) and then at least a few more for Ben to get in prime shape.
    The Ravens have the talent to get a lead and keep it, but their secondary is awful. Flacco reminds me of Trent Dilfer, and I mean that in a good way. He knows his role, he knows what to do, and he knows how to do it. I don’t think Boldin will be as big an asset as most people, but I think Ray Rice is one of, if not the, most under ratted player in the league. I think he (assuming health) will have a monster year on the Raven’s way to an AFC north crown. I actually think the Steelers will come in second close to the Bengals, and the lovable looser Browns will realize why Mike Holmgrem was a coach and not a GM (no one accusing me of hating Holmgrem, I loved in SF, when he coached at my alma mater, and respected him when he coached the Seahawks).
    @Deb
    I agree with a lot of what you said, but, I don’t think jackass like behavior warrants a suspension from the league. We wouldn’t have a league.

  162. Deb says: Sep 3, 2010 11:23 PM

    @Allan …
    Don’t really disagree on your last point. If he’d suspended Vince Young, I could probably overlook the lesser guys. I also balked at the long suspension because it implied to ignorant masses that the NFL was punishing Ben for assault. The DA said he’d never revisit this case–another indication no rape occurred. But civil cases require only a majority vote. The suspension could be used to influence the jury if the Nevada case proceeds. Seeing how discussion of the Nevada case came into play w/Georgia’s friends, it’s obvious the first false accusation inspired the second. If McNulty profits from that, it would be a horrible miscarriage of justice.
    Ben’s a talented player but can also be reckless on field. Maybe now he’ll work w/coaches instead of fighting them. I understand he was a good guy before becoming an egotistical jerk. Tomlin is a spiritual, character-driven guy, and they’ve gotten close. He’s also gone back to Cowher for counsel. Those are good signs.
    No, not a Goodell fan :) Vehemently opposed to UK/European expansion.
    My degree is in journalism, but sad to say, the handling of Ben’s case is common media practice. We studied similar historical cases. And there’s Richard Jewell, Jon & Patsy Ramsey (people thought I was nuts defending them, and now the DA has exonerated them; there was DNA on Jon-Benet’s body that didn’t belong to anyone in the house). My bro & sis-in-law are criminal attorneys and took a beating defending a popular athlete before finally turning public opinion. Ben was fortunate his case was handled by an experienced DA and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. And he’s lucky she’s a bad liar.
    If you like old films, a couple of good ones on the subject are “Absence of Malice” w/Paul Newman & Sally Field, and “His Gal Friday” w/Cary Grant & Rosalind Russell–dynamite comedy that packs a lot of societal truths into very fast-paced dialogue.

  163. Deb says: Sep 3, 2010 11:49 PM

    @In & Out Burger …
    Oh my gosh, you’ve been so fair-minded in your posts, I thought you were a Steelers fan. Kudos!!
    ROFL That’s true, if every player were suspended for being an egomaniacal jackass … we wouldn’t be able to field teams.
    In Ben’s case, his jackass behavior included a scary kind of recklessness. The motorcycle accident was in no way his fault–and I can’t blame him for wanting to ride without a helmet. It’s legal and common here in Florida w/men much older than Ben. But continuing to do it after almost dying? Getting sloppy drunk and picking up chicks in bars w/a civil suit for rape pending? Refusing to modify your playing style after taking dozens of sacks even knowing it could shorten your career or leave you w/debilitating injuries later in life?
    Cowher and Tomlin tried to reason w/him and got nowhere. If I thought a fine would work, I’d prefer a fine for the sake of the team. But if a $3 million lawsuit didn’t make him check himself, neither would a fine. The suspension is in his best interest, even if it’s not in ours.

  164. Djaehne says: Sep 4, 2010 7:01 PM

    Too bad it wasn’t the commissioner’s daughter that Ben went after. Just shows you that its more important to do as you are told at the time than to do right throughout life. The desision is a poor
    example of how a few people in power evaluate the entire population. The commissioner should be petitioned to resign.

  165. Deb says: Sep 4, 2010 7:29 PM

    @Djaehne …
    Has ANY of this registered with you?
    The medical exam showed the woman made a FALSE rape allegation? (Maybe he’s thinking about some woman going after his son.)
    Ben’s suspension was for excessive public intoxication, not assault–because no one was assaulted (which is also why he wasn’t arrested)?
    The ORIGINAL suspension letter said it would be reduced to four games if Ben met the commissioner’s terms?
    It’s September? The sky is blue? Footballs aren’t round? Water is wet?
    Any of those things register with your pea brain?

  166. Joker3 says: Sep 4, 2010 8:48 PM

    Steelers haven’t got a chance with or without Ben The Molester! Steelers get special treatment cause they are so pitiful…! :)

  167. Joker3 says: Sep 4, 2010 8:53 PM

    “Once a sexual predator, always a sexual predator!” That’s just the way it is….so don’t tell us that he is rehabilitated…he should be in Prison!

  168. Lucky5927 says: Sep 4, 2010 9:30 PM

    Deb,
    It doesn’t matter what the Medical Examiner said… this was his second offense similar incident. He obviously is not the stand up character that you envision him to be. Many people throughout the Steelers locker room, as well as the City of Pittsburgh, know he is closer to being a douche bag than being a good guy. But thats not my problem with Goodell’s decreasing his suspension. I don’t understand the concept of rewarding a guy for good behavior. HE IS SUPPOSE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS OFF THE FIELD. And now he is being rewarded for FINALLY making the same smart decisions that 98% of the NFL make on a daily basis?? Please!! He has been a black eye to himself, the NFL, and the city of Pittsburgh. Rewarding him with two more weeks of pay and being allowed to play a game that he enjoys makes me sick.

  169. Djaehne says: Sep 4, 2010 9:45 PM

    @Djaehne …
    Has ANY of this registered with you?
    The medical exam showed the woman made a FALSE rape allegation? (Maybe he’s thinking about some woman going after his son.)
    Ben’s suspension was for excessive public intoxication, not assault–because no one was assaulted (which is also why he wasn’t arrested)?
    ————————————————————
    Oh, ok I get it. He wasn’t proven guilty. So thats
    why he’s still suspended four games, instead of six. You’re just one of those I’m refering to, justify
    horrible behavior. Are you on O.J.s side too?

  170. Deb says: Sep 4, 2010 11:19 PM

    @Lucky5927 & Djaehne …
    You don’t get it. Ben has been a jackass. This is about case facts, not hero worship. This comes directly from witness statements, police reports, civil court files, and the Milledgeville DA–not Ben and not TMZ or bloggers:
    Ben had a one-night stand w/a Nevada hotel employee who texted friends the next day she couldn’t wait to see him again. A year later, he was scheduled to return for a golf tourney. Concerned about her ongoing obsession, her employers asked her to take paid leave while he was there. She had a hissy fit and sued Ben and her colleagues for $3 million claiminig he’d raped her. Rape victims don’t text friends that they can’t wait to see their rapists again.
    The Georgia woman followed Ben from club to club, buying her own drinks, pinching him, and using other men in his party to get his attention. At the last club, she drank from the shots he bought for the room which the waitress put on the table. She told him she was “Down to F**k.” She and her friends invited him to their place. He declined. Her sorority sister ragged on him about the Nevada suit. He threw her out. She and another woman tried to get back in, but the bodyguard blocked them.
    The accuser disappeared for 10 minutes. Roethlisberger was with her part of that time. After she left the club, the two women Ben barred from the party dragged her to the cops and said she’d been raped. She repeatedly denied it, but later changed her story and said he raped her. She also complained to the cops that he dumped her without a word. The medical examination showed she did not have intercourse with ANYONE in that time frame.
    The DA said he didn’t have even probable cause–the reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred. He said he hoped this woman and her sorority sisters had learned their lesson. Does this sound like RAPE? Goodell’s suspension letter cited public drunkeness and general jackass behavior–not for anything to do with assault.
    Ben has behaved like a reckless jackass. I support his suspension because it seemed the only way to get through to him before he killed himself in another motorcycle crash. Hopefully he’s finally growing up. Jerk, yes. Rapist, no. Calling him one absolves those women of their hideous behavior and does a disservice to REAL rape victims.

  171. Djaehne says: Sep 5, 2010 9:07 PM

    @Deb says:
    You must work as a defense lawyer. You have a
    dynamic thought process and seem to have researched this case closely. You are certainly
    entitled to your opinion but regardless of all your
    speak, its your opinion, just as mine is. Being a fan supporting Ben you expend a huge amount of energy and time defending a guy who is in no way deserving of a position in the NFL based on his background. Ben is as he does in his private
    life. It isn’t anything to be proud of.

  172. Deb says: Sep 6, 2010 12:40 PM

    @Djaehne …
    Close :) I’m a writer/editor experienced covering legal/medical/assault issues. And I’ve spent many hours with rape victims, so false claims gnaw at me. My brother and sister-in-law are criminal defense attorneys.
    You’re a smart guy. If one is texting friends she wants to see him again, and the other has a medical exam that shows there was no intercourse, neither was raped. Unfortunately, the press only reported the salacious statements of Georgia and her sorority sisters saying he exposed himself and had his bodyguard block the door. Many independent witnesses refuted those claims but weren’t quoted.
    Yes, Roethlisberger has character issues. He let success go to his head, became arrogant and dismissive of fans and coaches, decided he was invincible and engaged in increasingly reckless behavior. These issues are common to celebrities. No, it isn’t anything to be proud of.
    But his private life also includes giving considerable time and money to charity, staying late after games to sign autographs for fans, giving teammates credit for his success, and having normal relationships with women who have only good things to say about him.
    I respect your opinion, but it’s based on superficial information–and perhaps anti-Steeler sentiment. He’s been an arrogant jackass, nothing more. He can correct that. I love my team and what Ben does on the field. But I expend so much energy defending him because I hate seeing an innocent jackass ripped apart for something he didn’t do. To those who don’t know me, it appears to be mad love for Ben. But I was born with a soap box under one arm and have spent a lifetime expending energy on similar causes.

  173. Meggie2323 says: Sep 6, 2010 11:13 PM

    Deb….spoken like a true enabler.

  174. Deb says: Sep 7, 2010 1:26 AM

    Meggie2323 … spoken like a wet-behind-the-ears 12-year-old who’s too simple-minded to understand criminal-justice issues, and too immature to grasp that a woman who’s spent years working with rape victims would prioritize that above any football player. Go back to the Timmy Tebow Fan Club, little girl, and leave the serious issues to the grownups.

  175. kravon says: Sep 7, 2010 9:17 AM

    Bravo Deb! Throwing the hammer down.
    Sadly as an underdog at home to the Falcons, I have little confidence the Steelers can win this week.
    Kravon
    PFT Charter Member

  176. Bdrunk says: Sep 7, 2010 11:03 AM

    Dangit Deb!
    This is a place for crybabies to vent and for EverybodyGotAids to be an internet bada$$. Why do you have to kill it with logic and reasonable discussion???

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