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Blackouts looming for multiple teams, again

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers already have conceded that they won’t be selling all non-premium tickets to their Week One home game against the Browns, via local media reports.  Sean Leahy of USA Today flags other franchises that could eventually be in the same boat during the 2010 season.

Leahy points to the Jaguars, Lions, Chiefs, Raiders, Rams, Cardinals, Bengals, and Chargers as teams that could struggle to sell out their venues — and thus to avoid a local blackout of their home games.  On-field failures possibly could result in late-season blackouts in other cities, too, such as Buffalo, Carolina, Seattle, and Minnesota.

During the offseason, Neil Best of Newsday explained that teams may avoid a blackout by paying 34 cents on the dollar for each unsold non-premium seat.  That money goes into the league-wide visiting-team pool, which is split by all 32 teams.  The NFL doesn’t trumpet the availability of this device, since it could result in local pressure from fans and the media to pay the money needed to ensure that the games will be televised.

Then again, maybe some of the teams that can’t sell out their stadiums would be wise not to advertise the sub-par quality of the home team by putting it on local television for three-plus hours.

The Bucs used that device in 2009.  They won’t do it in 2010. 

For Week One, Tampa looks to be the only place where a sellout definitely won’t happen.  With Tim Tebow’s Broncos visiting Jacksonville and Sam Bradford getting the start in St. Louis, the Jags and the Rams likely will get their tickets sold.

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166 Responses to “Blackouts looming for multiple teams, again”
  1. kravon says: Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM

    Carolina still hasnt sold out its home opener versus Bucs next week.
    Kravon
    PFT Charter Member

  2. js136202 says: Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM

    To those who question the Browns fans,
    We have Jake Delhomme at QB and we aren’t even on the possible blackout list, all while Cleveland’s economy is in dire shape and the team has no playoff hopes.
    Yet the bengals are going to be blacked out when they went 6-0 in the division. Nice fan base.

  3. buffobeel says: Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM

    As you can see Mr. Florio, Buffalo supports its team. Yes, when the are 3-10, in December, and the Snow is coming off Lake Erie, the stadium may not be full, BUT they aren’t moving anywhere.
    Buffalo haters—-move along–nothing to see here–pick another team to crap on!

  4. falstaff1962 says: Sep 7, 2010 10:31 AM

    At some point in the near future, the NFL needs to actively address this issue. When 1/3 of your teams struggle to sell out, then you are over-priced for the markets. And let’s face it, they can’t ALL move to Los Angeles.

  5. Fogs88 says: Sep 7, 2010 10:32 AM

    Nicely reported Mike
    (see….I can offer a compliment every now and then….)

  6. MagicMan407 says: Sep 7, 2010 10:32 AM

    They should just try and clone Tim Tebow, everyone wants to come see Jesus reborn. : )
    -God Bless

  7. shinsnake says: Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM

    The Reds can’t get over 20K for their first place team when they play the Brewers and their tickets are reasonably priced. Can’t imagine even a few early season wins is going to push Bengals tix much with the cheapest being $65. Times, they are a’tough in this Obamaconomy. The Bengals couldn’t sell out at the end of the last year even though they were division leaders and the economy has gotten worse since. Looks like the radio will have to suffice for the home games this season.

  8. jimmySee says: Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM

    One would think the 34 cents on the dollar cost would be made up in local ad revenue from broadcasting the games.

  9. Floriohatescincy says: Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM

    .34 on the dollar? Too rich for Mikey Boy’s blood, two games blacked out in Cincy this year at a minimum barring a 6-0 start (w/ NE, NO, and Balt scheduled during that time), tough cookies. Here’s to hoping a generous guy like Chad or Peko buys them for Mike, cheap bastard

  10. jimmySee says: Sep 7, 2010 10:35 AM

    The NFL should also consider instituting a “rush” system where unsold tickets are made available for half price the day of the game on a first come first served basis.

  11. Jagface82 says: Sep 7, 2010 10:35 AM

    Go ahead and scratch Jax. off your list…..
    http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/429812/tania-ganguli/2010-09-06/blackout-lifted-jaguars-season-opener-limited-club-and

  12. Chapnasty. says: Sep 7, 2010 10:37 AM

    This needs to be addressed in the CBA somehow. There is no reason that local fans should not be able to see their teams as punishment for not being able to afford the overpriced ticket, food and parking. They usually foot the bill for stadiums through subsidies, why in the hell should they not be able to enjoy the game with friends from the comfort of their own couch? This is without a doubt the biggest slap in the face to local fans.

  13. Kirmie says: Sep 7, 2010 10:39 AM

    The Lions don’t play at home until week 2 though. If the Lions can beat the Bears in week 1 they should be able to sell out in week 2 with ease. Say what you will about Detroit but they support their sports if there is any semblance of hope.

  14. AlCortez says: Sep 7, 2010 10:39 AM

    When you challenge the league on so many other rules, why do you give them a pass on the blackout rule?
    It’s a completely artificial “crisis”, that amounts to little more than extortion. If you can’t sell seats in the week before a game, change your pricing. Its Retail 101. Following through on the blackouts is just shooting yourself in the foot.

  15. Deluxe says: Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM

    Yet more garbage from Jag hater Florio. If he bothered to do any research at he would know that per the team the first 4 Jags games are going to be sell outs. This just another diatribe by a Vikings fan who is trying to deflect LA attention from his own team and move it to someone else. Can you say pay the buck.

  16. Tinbender says: Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM

    Just because we’re in a recession and the NFL and it’s players didn’t get that memo, why would there be blackouts? I guess even people rich enough to go to a game are hurting. This is no longer a game to be seen live by the middle class, and that sucks. Soon there will be screens at every seat telling people when to cheer since there will be no true football fans in the stands.

  17. Deluxe says: Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM

    This is more BS from Jag hater Florio. If he bothered to do any research what so ever he would know that per the team, at least the first 4 games are going to be sell outs and possibly the season. This is just another diatribe by a Vikings fan who is trying to deflect LA attention from his own team to someone else.

  18. MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: Sep 7, 2010 10:44 AM

    Blackouts in Minnesota? Say it ain’t so!
    The Queens have only been able to avoid this fate before due to local corps buying up the unsold tickets. And one wonders why the locals won’t pony up tax money for a new pleasure dome them? Its simple-they don’t give a rat’s bottom about them.
    Meanwhile, the Packers consecutive home sell out streak is in the hundreds and the waiting list for tickets stretches into decades.

  19. onesweetworld says: Sep 7, 2010 10:44 AM

    The jaguars already announced that the game will be on tv a day or 2 ago. Way to be on top of things.

  20. WhoDeyCentralBookins says: Sep 7, 2010 10:45 AM

    “With Tim Tebow’s Broncos,” is this kid God or something?

  21. highplainsdrifter says: Sep 7, 2010 10:46 AM

    Florio,
    Jacksonville has been sold out for quite a while for this game. No blackout here this week. Check the Jax paper. No reason to restart the Jax hate parade.

  22. HooskerDo says: Sep 7, 2010 10:47 AM

    So is LA going to get 9 teams now?

  23. Big mike says: Sep 7, 2010 10:47 AM

    That because ticket master sells out of tickets in 2 minutes. Because those scam artists are selling all the tickets at base cost to stub hub and all these other tickets sites. And those damn tickets sites are jacking up the prices by double! I tried to get jacksonville tickets and ticketmaster was sold out at 9:01 lol hahaha. The tickets went on sale at 9. How the hell is that possible????? ITS ALL A BIG SCAM!!!! Then these other sites jack up ticket prices, like 50 yard line upper deck for 300 dollars. Who the hell wants to pay that to go to a game per ticket? Especially to jacksonville? But yet the ticket you buy says the face value is 65 dollars! Unless the nfl fixes this. its gonna keep getting worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  24. bayou says: Sep 7, 2010 10:49 AM

    Funny Minnesotan’s, we all heard you were so passionate and dedicated fans and never had to get your owners and corporate sponsors to buy up tickets so the Vike’s could be on t.v. That is so strange…………..

  25. HarrisonHits says: Sep 7, 2010 10:52 AM

    “With Tim Tebow’s Broncos visiting Jacksonville”
    Tebow may be very popular in FL but the fans there have to know he won’t be playing unless Orton is injured, so why would they rush right down to see him sitting on the bench ?

  26. jj jones says: Sep 7, 2010 10:54 AM

    The Jaguars should be safe from blackouts until after at least mid-season. The first four games will be on TV. If the team plays well (a big “IF”, I know), the remaining games will begin to sellout. The remaining tickets per game are in the low thousands.

  27. sacdaddy says: Sep 7, 2010 10:57 AM

    Wow, I know times are tough but I wish I could get tickets to my team.. I can’t even get a nosebleed for less than a hundred each.

  28. CutlerIsACryBaby says: Sep 7, 2010 10:58 AM

    Tim Tebow’s Broncos? Since when did he become the starter?e

  29. Florioisanidiot1 says: Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM

    js136202 says:
    September 7, 2010 10:30 AM
    To those who question the Browns fans,
    We have Jake Delhomme at QB and we aren’t even on the possible blackout list, all while Cleveland’s economy is in dire shape and the team has no playoff hopes.
    Yet the bengals are going to be blacked out when they went 6-0 in the division. Nice fan base.
    —————
    Cincinnati has gotten killed by the economy, but was a smaller market to begin with compared to cities like Detroit that were also hit hard.

  30. CHIEF ZEE says: Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM

    Jags ahead of skins in power rankings is laughable.

  31. Kevin from Philly says: Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM

    “Leahy points to the Jaguars, Lions, Chiefs, Raiders, Rams, Cardinals, Bengals, and Chargers as teams that could struggle to sell out their venues ”
    Round up the usual suspects.

  32. Florioisanidiot1 says: Sep 7, 2010 11:00 AM

    Floriohatescincy says:
    September 7, 2010 10:33 AM
    .34 on the dollar? Too rich for Mikey Boy’s blood, two games blacked out in Cincy this year at a minimum barring a 6-0 start (w/ NE, NO, and Balt scheduled during that time), tough cookies. Here’s to hoping a generous guy like Chad or Peko buys them for Mike, cheap bastard
    ——————-
    Like the 4-5 times he did it last year? You’re a joke of a fan.
    Hard to call the guy cheap when he just let $8 million walk out the door without batting an eye.

  33. pgaur82 says: Sep 7, 2010 11:01 AM

    The seahawks have something like 65000 season ticket holders… yeah, the team may be bad, but blackouts are pretty unlikely

  34. mattgso says: Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM

    Cincy and Minny?
    I wouldn’t have guessed that.

  35. Chapnasty. says: Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM

    Big Mike makes a great point and I am not referring to Florio but to the commenter. If the general rule of supply and demand applies to those who sell tickets for 3 times face value on stub hub without any real demand then how can the prices remain so high? I would think that ebay would be the best route to sell unwanted tickets because it allows for the scalper to get a fair price based on demand above and beyond face value.

  36. bloodystupidjohnson says: Sep 7, 2010 11:04 AM

    Amen JS 136202 Amen — You took the words out of my mouth. The Browns fans who have been screwed and beated down by bad football sellout, while high flying Ciny struggles.

  37. Fordman says: Sep 7, 2010 11:08 AM

    Doesn’t the league buying out these tickets to televise the games just shoot itself in the foot? Seems like the rules were put in place to help ensure the fans that want to see the game buy the tickets and don’t just sit at home. Black out a few games and the fans will likely come back out to the park so they can see a game.

  38. cmoney18 says: Sep 7, 2010 11:09 AM

    I really can’t stand speculation like this. Seattle’s won 9 games in the last two years and has had no problem selling out games. Scratch them off of this list.

  39. twinkletoes says: Sep 7, 2010 11:09 AM

    This crappy economy ain’t no joke. Not every team gets to steal the LA market and my money is on Undead Al suing his way in at the 11th hour.
    The league will be smaller in the very near future. Contraction draft, here we come!

  40. Emoney says: Sep 7, 2010 11:10 AM

    HooskerDo,
    Great comment! Lol

  41. harloeisdead says: Sep 7, 2010 11:12 AM

    Mr. Florio, I respect you a great deal and I love your website, but are you completely retarded? Honestly. The Denver game has been sold out. The real question is, how did Tebow manage to help the Jaguars sell out home games 2 3 and 4, you dolt?

  42. ThePlainTruth says: Sep 7, 2010 11:13 AM

    L.A. ViQueens …..
    Get used to it……and soon.

  43. ThePlainTruth says: Sep 7, 2010 11:14 AM

    When the ViQueens move to L.A., will Perv Harvin move there too?

  44. BoltsFan says: Sep 7, 2010 11:15 AM

    QUIT BUYING TICKETS FROM RESELLERS, YOU IDIOTS. If you don’t like the fact that these bottom feeders are buying up the tickets and doubling the prices, DON’T BUY TICKETS FROM THEM. How stupid can people be? The NFL is already a GROSSLY over-priced product, paying MILLIONS of dollars to people who otherwise would be sacking your groceries. GET A CLUE. I refuse to pay $100.00 for a ticket, $25.00 to park my car, $10.00 for a hot dog and a coke, just to watch players who “gotta feed my ‘fambly'”. FEED YOUR FAMILY? If you can’t feed your family on several hundred thousand dollars per year, CALL ME. I’m a financial planner, and I advise all my clients NOT to spend their hard-earned cash to support the lifestyles of diva millionaire/billionaire players and owners.

  45. Big mike says: Sep 7, 2010 11:16 AM

    haha thanks fogs. Im not cheap by any means i paid 400 a peice for my tickets to eagles game last year for row 1 tickets. But to pay almost 300 for upper deck in jacksonville to watch the eagles play is ridiculous. And then the sites charge fees anywhere from 15-30 bucks for buying the tickets on there sites. unbeleavable, The nfl needs to step in and fix this. Every other sports tailors well to the economy. And based on how there team is doing. Why cant the nfl. The only time you can get cheap tickets is if your a lions fan now a days!

  46. Meldog says: Sep 7, 2010 11:17 AM

    @js136202
    Browns fans learned their lesson the hard way in 1995. I hope my city never gets that kind of wake-up call (Buffalo).

  47. backdapack10 says: Sep 7, 2010 11:19 AM

    maybe the Teleprompter in Chief can buy up all the unsold tickets with Obama Dollars so the poor won’t be deprived of the NFL….just sayin’

  48. JimmySmith says: Sep 7, 2010 11:20 AM

    We will soon see the depth of the Viking’s fan base. Granted, they could hardly sell out a playoff game two years back but BrINT propped them up last year. A few losses out of the gate and all of a sudden, LA doesn’t look out of reach.

  49. bung julio says: Sep 7, 2010 11:21 AM

    Just cover entire sections with tarps like the Jags. I can understand why there are so many empty seats though. Such a wonderful city with so much to do!
    Seriously though… has anyone here driven through that dump of a town on 95? It looks like the early stages of The Apocalypse.

  50. wetdentist says: Sep 7, 2010 11:26 AM

    i see a future of teams being moved to India and China, where wages are trending upwards. the commish cares only about the expansion of the NFL, (which is why there is chatter about London and Mexico City), and the USA cannot sustain taxpayer-funded stadiums that only a slimming slice of our population can afford to get tickets for. Bangalore anyone?

  51. steelers rule says: Sep 7, 2010 11:27 AM

    A Favre led team nto being able to sell out home game? Soft fans! If fans do not wnat to see the teams play, NFL shoudl; say we will CONTRACT TEAMS in the following cities :J’ville, T.B. Minn, Buffalo, Cincy, Oakland, SanDiego and of course CLEVELAND! Then fans will buy tickets.
    I thought K.C. had fans? I guess they are nothing but bandwagon hoppers.
    As for Packer fans, nothing else to do on Sundays but eat cheese, screw your sister and watch the fudgepackers!

  52. Bdrunk says: Sep 7, 2010 11:29 AM

    js136202 says:
    September 7, 2010 10:30 AM
    To those who question the Browns fans,
    We have Jake Delhomme at QB and we aren’t even on the possible blackout list, all while Cleveland’s economy is in dire shape and the team has no playoff hopes.
    Yet the bengals are going to be blacked out when they went 6-0 in the division. Nice fan base.
    =====================
    js(numbers), you speak the truth here. Cleveland has one of the most rabid fanbases in the NFL, win or lose. It’s too cold in the winter months for the fragile Bungle fans.

  53. TheLeonardLeap says: Sep 7, 2010 11:35 AM

    Wait a second, why is Cincinnati on this list? Even if we don’t sell all of the tickets, the remaining tickets are always bought by the local businesses or the team. Here’s a little fact for you before you all hate on the Bengals.. we currently have a 53 regular and post season home game sellout streak. 53… that means we haven’t had a blacked out regular or post season game since November of 2003. Even through our 4-11-1 season, we maintained this streak. I hardly think that we need to be thrown in on this list just because we’re a smaller market and you all love to hate.

  54. NCRaiderDon says: Sep 7, 2010 11:37 AM

    I make pretty decent money, but in NO WAY will i pay $300 for 1 ticket so Undead can put it in his pocket, or pay the RIDICULOUS salaries of all the uneducated, selfish, immature, egotistical athletes…
    I pay $200 for NFL Sunday Ticket and watch ALL the games on the flat screen, and will continue to do so until the NFL fixes the real problem. Blackout?…who cares?

  55. jasncondit says: Sep 7, 2010 11:39 AM

    Replying to:
    js136202 says:
    September 7, 2010 10:30 AM
    To those who question the Browns fans,
    We have Jake Delhomme at QB and we aren’t even on the possible blackout list, all while Cleveland’s economy is in dire shape and the team has no playoff hopes.
    Yet the bengals are going to be blacked out when they went 6-0 in the division. Nice fan base.
    Jason’s reply: Ya you sell out because there is nothing else to do in Cleveland.
    We are all Witnessess to:
    1. Cleveland losing their team to Baltimore only to see them win a Superbowl. Guess the 12th man was all that was needed.
    2. Lebron James leaving for a better city and will probably win a title there too.
    3. How vile and un-kid friendly your disgusting stadium is when you call an opposing fan an @$sh0le and 40,000 other idiots chime in for 10 minutes straight before starting it all over again on someone else. This goes on during the entire game.
    4. No wonder no one in your stupid city can get a job because it’s filled with idiots like point number 3.
    5. Cavs owner cries in letter. Waaaahhhh.
    6. Cavs response to losing Lebron is to go with even uglier uniforms. (That’ll show Lebron what he’s missing!)

  56. dbartdog says: Sep 7, 2010 11:42 AM

    Greed…both players and owners = Those that killed the goose that layed the golden egg!

  57. jwill007 says: Sep 7, 2010 11:44 AM

    When GM and FOrd closes and GE lays off and PG slows down hiring, Schools lay off teachers in a city where the median income is not all that high then you will have these problems in Cincy….We’re not Seattle, Dallas, NY, Chi, NE or Pitt…..We are a hard core blue collar working town that has prided itself on Manufacturing and Blue Collar work…..
    You will write about it all season so enjoy….Im buying tickets to the Atlanta game for 42 bucks when CIncy visits and they are not from the the main site…Maybe a ticket price reduction would be nice…Also keep in mind while the game may not be sold out on Thursday that doesnt mean its not a sellout by gametime SUnday….So the team will still gets its money…..

  58. smokehouse says: Sep 7, 2010 11:46 AM

    Hey, I drafted a hell of a great fantasy team. Everyone else must have been asleep. I know I will sell out every game. My point is put a damn product on the field and the people will come IF they can affor the jacked up prices in stadiums owned by the tax payers. Only in America.

  59. Floriohatescincy says: Sep 7, 2010 11:47 AM

    “Like the 4-5 times he did it last year? You’re a joke of a fan.”
    I’m a joke of a fan? Dude, HE didn’t do it at all last year, at least not by himself, Chad bought a ton at the last minute with Motorola, Channel 12 bought a ton twice. Get a clue before ripping someone else there douchetard. And I still call him cheap, cheapness has nothing to do with stupidity and lack of research, wait, check that, maybe it does equate…. Too cheap to get all the necessary info before dropping tons of dough, short sighted miserliness ends up costing 8 million for nothing. That too much to process buddy? You should change your name to “I’manidiot” because you obviously are.
    Shin, why do you ALWAYS have to bring politics into football? Nobody wants to hear it here, but since youopened a can of worms, this has a lot more to do with your elitist idols that “ran the country” for eight years, letting banks and mortgage lenders go for broke with no regulations for years, than it has to do with an attemt to fix it, nice try though, go back into your neo con lab and manufacture some more slanderous accusations to deflect blame from where it needs to be. 1% of this country runs it with all the money in the world and you peons buy in because they use God and the Bible and “Fiscal conservativism” as proxies for policies that only benefit only the richest people. Tax rate for folks that make more than 2 mil needs to be back at 80-90 percent. We live in an aristocracy that folks like you have helped create with blind loyalty.

  60. Doctor Doom says: Sep 7, 2010 11:52 AM

    BoltsFan says:
    September 7, 2010 11:15 AM
    QUIT BUYING TICKETS FROM RESELLERS, YOU IDIOTS. If you don’t like the fact that these bottom feeders are buying up the tickets and doubling the prices, DON’T BUY TICKETS FROM THEM. How stupid can people be? The NFL is already a GROSSLY over-priced product, paying MILLIONS of dollars to people who otherwise would be sacking your groceries. GET A CLUE. I refuse to pay $100.00 for a ticket, $25.00 to park my car, $10.00 for a hot dog and a coke, just to watch players who “gotta feed my ‘fambly'”. FEED YOUR FAMILY? If you can’t feed your family on several hundred thousand dollars per year, CALL ME. I’m a financial planner, and I advise all my clients NOT to spend their hard-earned cash to support the lifestyles of diva millionaire/billiona ire players and owners.
    ————————————————-
    Well said, sir! I’m a big fan of this very philosophy.

  61. hemry27 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:02 PM

    .34 cents on the dollar? Why wouldn’t they sell them on Exchange for .40 or .50 cents on the dollar and make money? I wouldn’t think any team would have problems getting rid of tickets at 1/2 price of face value.

  62. marktg30 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:06 PM

    @ Jwill007
    Dude… OHIO is in serious trouble economically. Teachers aren’t being hired ANYWHERE. wealthy subburbs are always going to be okay. You need to get off your high … low-horse and see that this is more about ticket prices AND fan loyalty than total economy meltdowns.
    Bengal fans are notoriously fair-weather.

  63. cusoman says: Sep 7, 2010 12:07 PM

    # JimmySmith says: September 7, 2010 11:20 AM
    We will soon see the depth of the Viking’s fan base. Granted, they could hardly sell out a playoff game two years back but BrINT propped them up last year. A few losses out of the gate and all of a sudden, LA doesn’t look out of reach.
    ————-
    This has nothing to do with players, it’s the facility. You probably don’t follow baseball since you’re too busy on this site posting on every story that has Vikings tagged on it, but the Twins have sold out every game this year from having a new stadium, proving that if they build it, we will come.
    The stadium’s a done deal too, since there’s no way in hell Emmer will win the governor race this fall, and Dayton will be more than willing to open up the state pocketbook to keep a popular team in the state. By the way, what little the Vikings lack in ticket sales at a crappy stadium, they make up for in spades with massive TV ratings.

  64. js136202 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:08 PM

    jasncondit
    Your post was almost unreadably stupid. You went off on several tangents, based off the fact you’ve been to our stadium once and someone hurt your son’s feelings. Don’t go to opposing stadiums wearing the enemy’s uniform unless you go to a chickenshit town like Cincinnati. It’s not baseball.
    TheLeonardLeap
    Your “beloved” bengals are on the list because ownership and team players regularly have to buy up remaining tickets in order to keep them from being blacked out. In spite of your phoney baloney streak, which includes one week where Ocho Asswipe bought several thousand tickets, you are constantly at risk of blackouts.
    The bengals have a franchise QB, a pro bowl RB, 2 HOF WR’s, and a top 10 defense, and I hear you guys belly-aching about the economy. Come to grips with the fact that your fan base is finnicky, not die-hard, and is too soft to tough out the miserable weather games.

  65. Bradenton Buc says: Sep 7, 2010 12:09 PM

    The Bucs have sold out for 12 years in a row. Had a waiting list for season tickets. Along comes Gruden and the owners get cheap, a terrible team, bad economy and seemingly no hope for the team. Win and they will return. We shall see.

  66. Bell63 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:10 PM

    I don’t see the problem with offering same day tickets for a discounted price. For most people, going to a game is planned way in advance in order to account for all the logistics, so I really don’t think it would result in an onslaught of people waiting until the last minute.

  67. js136202 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:12 PM

    jasncondit
    Who the hell cares about Lebrojangles? We’re on ProFootballTalk.com, if I want to go watch “sports entertainment” like the NBA I’ll buy TNA wrestling tickets.

  68. shiftyshellshocked says: Sep 7, 2010 12:12 PM

    Florio, I have never seen a Vikes blackout ever. where do you come up with this crap.

  69. finfanfun says: Sep 7, 2010 12:16 PM

    Are you and St Tim an item or are you just being taken care of by his publicity machine?
    “Tim Tebow’s Broncos. . .” I think if you check he is second or third on the Bronco’s depth chart.
    And no the whole of Florida is not in awe of him.

  70. FrankoBollo says: Sep 7, 2010 12:22 PM

    Don’t worry, Cincinnati — if you need it, I’m sure Steeler Nation will be happy to buy up all your tickets again.

  71. mqmorasch says: Sep 7, 2010 12:23 PM

    Seriously doubt the Chiefs will not sell out a Monday Night game

  72. DB26 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:27 PM

    #1 @ JASONs Reply:
    You use the Lebron thing quite frequently. What was his response to it all? Oh yea, he said he could see himself coming back to Cleveland & playing for the Cavs again, if they can forgive him! Moving to Baltimore was in the midst of a greedy piece of shit owner, out of our control. No NFL, MLB, or NBA venue is child friendly. Every city & every team has their shitty & ignorant fans. All that said, we still sell out our games & LA isn’t in our future.
    #2 in response to the threads topic:
    Blame the NFL, Owners, CBA, &……. Direct TV. Why go to a game, overspend on everything & put up with smelly drunks when you can spend one games worth of game costs on a new Samsung 3-D Flatscreen, 50″, including a Service Warranty & spend another $250 for essentially season tickets. Who wants to go to a game when you can watch it in quality TV @ home for a lot cheaper. Lucky me, I get tickets from a Schottenheimer draftee for free, but it still costs an arm & a leg for gas, hotel, food, & stadium aparrel. Not to mention the activities that we partake in the evening before the game!

  73. Rogue says: Sep 7, 2010 12:33 PM

    Sunday NFL ticket with direct tv cheaper in HD

  74. TheLeonardLeap says: Sep 7, 2010 12:34 PM

    js136202
    As I said, fans might not buy all the tickets, but it’s been proven that someone will go out and make it a sold out game. It might not be a pretty way to get a sold out game, but it gets sold out. Just like winning a football game, it might not be a pretty way to win, but when it comes down to it, we’ll take it.
    Bottom line is, even if it’s a ‘phoney baloney’ streak, it’s a streak none the less. You don’t see any other team with a 53 game regular and post season sellout streak on that list.
    It’s just that Florio, and most everyone else for that matter, loves to hate on the Bengals.

  75. jwill007 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:35 PM

    @ Jwill007
    Dude… OHIO is in serious trouble economically. Teachers aren’t being hired ANYWHERE. wealthy subburbs are always going to be okay. You need to get off your high … low-horse and see that this is more about ticket prices AND fan loyalty than total economy meltdowns.
    Bengal fans are notoriously fair-weather.
    Even Bengals lost for 10 years they put over 55K in a 62K seat statdium…..
    Im not ona high or low horse its called a REALITY HORSE….much of CIncy aint rich and the people who are some will go others will stay home buy a direct TV card from another market and stick it right in thier box and watch the game….there is nothing fairweather about us we are also tired of the owner…Lets see if you had Mike Brown as your owner would you talk like that…….
    I live in Atlanta and spend 156 to take me and son home for the Ravens game and will spend another 160 on 3 tickets for Cincy in Atlanta…I do what I can and if I cant I dont……nothing high or low about that. JUST REALITY!

  76. mikemcsaint says: Sep 7, 2010 12:38 PM

    The Vikings? The Vikings? Hahahahahahahaha!! Their fan base sucks. And the call us fair weather. Pump some more music in so that weak ass crowd can sound loud. What a joke of a fan base.

  77. thecrazytomato says: Sep 7, 2010 12:42 PM

    Personally it doesnt bother me. I get to watch the Bengals each week regardless. Ive been a paying member to Direct Tv since like 03.
    The only time I might not get to watch them is when they come to San Diego, but in that case I buy my tickets way in advance to the game. I cant remember the last time I missed a Bengals game.

  78. In & Out Burger says: Sep 7, 2010 12:42 PM

    What’s that Raider fans? Nothing bad to say about the 49ers? Enjoy tape delay.
    I think it is so greedy that games are blacked out at all though. Aren’t blackouts, in themselves, proof that they don’t work? If we see a blackout, doesn’t that just prove that the threat of one wasn’t enough to sell out games?

  79. Deb says: Sep 7, 2010 12:42 PM

    How about an article on ticketing and ticket prices? Are they the same for all teams? What are the pricing tiers? How much can fans expect to pay in addition to ticket prices for parking, etc.? How many tickets are set aside for away-team fans?
    If you’re a fan who doesn’t live in your team’s city and they’re coming nearby … have you been to Ticket Hub and checked out what you’d have to pay for tickets to an away game? It could be a couple of thousand dollars for a family.
    And then comes the Super Bowl. How many of those tickets go to corporate people and celebrities who aren’t even fans of the two teams playing? Meanwhile the FANS who’ve been there all season are frozen out.
    Maybe the NFL expects more loyalty than it gives.

  80. Florioisanidiot1 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:44 PM

    Floriohatescincy says:
    September 7, 2010 11:47 AM
    “Like the 4-5 times he did it last year? You’re a joke of a fan.”
    I’m a joke of a fan? Dude, HE didn’t do it at all last year, at least not by himself, Chad bought a ton at the last minute with Motorola, Channel 12 bought a ton twice. Get a clue before ripping someone else there douchetard. And I still call him cheap, cheapness has nothing to do with stupidity and lack of research, wait, check that, maybe it does equate…. Too cheap to get all the necessary info before dropping tons of dough, short sighted miserliness ends up costing 8 million for nothing. That too much to process buddy? You should change your name to “I’manidiot” because you obviously are.
    ————-
    No team does it all on their own, especially when there are willing sponsors.
    Bengals ownership gave about 4000 tickets to military last year that they bought back. They also bought about 10,000 other tickets back throughout the year while sponsors bought another 10K
    Think before you speak.

  81. BaltimoreSports says: Sep 7, 2010 12:44 PM

    Cincinnati is a disgrace of a franchise. How can you sweep the AFC and not support the team the following year. I hope the Browns take 3rd place over the Bengals.

  82. Marcinik07 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:44 PM

    Why is it so @#$%ing hard for teams to sell tickets? Get some @#$@ing fans!

  83. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Sep 7, 2010 12:53 PM

    @# backdapack10 says: September 7, 2010 11:19 AM
    “maybe the Teleprompter in Chief can buy up all the unsold tickets with Obama Dollars so the poor won’t be deprived of the NFL….just sayin'”
    Stick your politics up your ass. Just sayin’
    This isn’t ProPoliticsTalk.com, or haven’t you noticed?

  84. thirdandgoal says: Sep 7, 2010 12:56 PM

    “The Queens have only been able to avoid this fate before due to local corps buying up the unsold tickets.”
    That was a deal they had with Pillsbury/General Mills, (I worked for GM then) which ended in 2001. Nowadays, the local TV affiliate that is scheduled to air the game will typically buy them out.

  85. VikingsPrincess says: Sep 7, 2010 12:59 PM

    It is ridiculous to predict late-season black outs for the Vikings based on performance that hasn’t occurred yet. We haven’t had a black out here in well over a decade. I’ve got tickets to numerous home games this year, none of which are predicated on the performance of my team but rather my interest in the match ups.
    Why do you even speculate? Several late season games have been sold out for weeks and for those that aren’t yet, the only seats left are the nose-bleed seats that will continue to sell. The Vikings season tickets have been sold out since mid-August. We had a renewal rate over 94% for season tickets and the ones up for grabs went fast.
    Keep us off your “potential black out based on performance” list until you have actual data to back up your hypothesis.

  86. Philtration says: Sep 7, 2010 12:59 PM

    Remind me again why the Vikings will not move to L.A.

  87. RexR#1 says: Sep 7, 2010 12:59 PM

    greedball owners killing the golden goose! well done sons born with silverspoons in their mouths now inheriting these teams.

  88. mwcarolina says: Sep 7, 2010 1:00 PM

    i dont agree with blackouts, if there’s a good way to hurt your fanbases, it’s blackout games, so what, a team doesnt sell out, who cares, the economy is bad, just play the games. As for the teams having blackout issues, the Jaguars will continue to have those issues when they have no star power on their team. the fans dont care about the team.

  89. FinFan68 says: Sep 7, 2010 1:03 PM

    Owners want to make money any way they can. Players want ridiculous salaries and the dumb owners think they need to pay a king’s ransom to get players. That cycle is what has caused the ridiculous prices. A ticket to the first super bowl was less than $20. The players have a right to earn a decent living and the owners have a right to make a fair profit…both have been abusing this principle for years. “I want to be the highest paid player” is a mantra heard more than once EVERY year. It cannot be sustained. It is similar to the national debt issue…gov’t throws around TRILLIONS with no concept of the future impact and NFL owners have been throwing around millions and more recently billions to put the product on the field. This is what happens when the “I want it now” mentality is allowed to effect long term decisions. Lockout, reset the system, pay players a FAIR wage and lower the cost for the average fans.

  90. Floriohatescincy says: Sep 7, 2010 1:05 PM

    No team does it all on their own, especially when there are willing sponsors.
    Then what was your argument about buddy? And I acknowledged his participation, of course Mikey had to participate. respond to what makes you look smarter, I get it, nothing to say about AB’s situation eh? And please, if you think Mikey isn’t cheap, you really are dumb. Conversation over, I can only take so much from you dolts

  91. epping16 says: Sep 7, 2010 1:08 PM

    Here’s an idea for you people complaining about how much it costs a FAMILY to go to a game. Leave the family at home….Football is not a family sport, or a sport for kids, it’s a mans sport. If ya want a family trip, take them to a baseball game. I go watch my team on the road every year(twice this year), and all the mouthing I get doesn’t bother me at all! That is what football is about.
    And to the guy preaching about not buying tickets from “re-sellers” That’s fine if you want to watch from a blimp. I prefer to enjoy the game, so I get on Stubhub(or wherever I find the best deal/tickets) and I watch the game from the middle of the field on the lower level! We are the reason the tickets are so high, if ya don’t like it don’t go, but there are plenty of us willing to go so the prices are not going to come down.

  92. Allied Biscuit says: Sep 7, 2010 1:11 PM

    the game has become an end in itself — a diversion so great that grownups not only live vicariously through the achievements of others but are willing to tax their neighbors to do it.

  93. Mikebrown_suckit says: Sep 7, 2010 1:13 PM

    Why do you people even care about other cities fan base? I could really care less who gets blacked out as long as the Bengals are on tv. It sucks waiting week after week to see if its on or not, but the local companies and players will make it happen again I’m sure. Almost all teams struggle a little, but why waste your breath? I’m a huge bengals fan, but cant afford to drop 60+ each home game per ticket to go. Does that make me a bad fan? I’ll gladly take my sunday ticket, hi-def tv, and a few cheap coldies instead of spending hundreds of dollars each home game. I cant tell anyone how to spend their money.

  94. chris says: Sep 7, 2010 1:17 PM

    BUffalo has sold out all their games but tow and those are at the end of the season.

  95. MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: Sep 7, 2010 1:20 PM

    VikingsPrincess says: September 7, 2010 12:59 PM
    It is ridiculous to predict late-season black outs for the Vikings based on performance that hasn’t occurred yet. We haven’t had a black out here in well over a decade. ……
    ——————
    ONLY because Target and some other deep pocketed local corporations bought up the tickets at the last minute. Go get some FACTS before you post such drivel in the future OK?

  96. burtreynolds says: Sep 7, 2010 1:23 PM

    More proof the NFL doesn’t care about the fans.
    FinFan – The lockout might result in lower wages for the players, but I can almost guarantee it won’t result in lower ticket prices.

  97. shinsnake says: Sep 7, 2010 1:24 PM

    @Floriohatescincy
    Wow, you got really quite upset with the whole “Obamaconomy” comment didn’t you? My guess is you weren’t quite that upset for “Bush’s recession” or “Bush’s jobless recovery” back in 2002 and 2004, respectively or the numerous comments made in these articles, threads, and other sports venues over the years. Let me guess, did you send a strongly worded letter to NBC after Olbermann made the comment about Palin when Trent Edwards went down with a concussion? Hmm, my guess is no. Or when Florio took various shots at Limbaugh during his Rams bid? Did you get all huffy and say you wanted to keep politics out of this space then?
    So what you’re basically arguing for is a politics free zone, so long as that excludes any politics you agree with. Your desire is for anyone who brings up politics you don’t agree with, that they just be quiet because no one wants to hear it? Hmm, pretty intolerant if you ask me.

  98. steelers rule says: Sep 7, 2010 1:27 PM

    People who don’t like the reselling business are pissed they were not smart enough to think of it earlier! When I can’t go to a game I offer it to a friend at FACE VALUE! If I sell it online, hell yeah I am goign to jack up the price so someone can see there team place in that city. The only ones who buy from resellers are not home town fans, but fans who team is visiting! If you do not like it, go buy tickets! I pay $40 a game for my season tickets, when the people behind me always root for the visiting team pay anywhere from $70-$200, and seat are upper level!

  99. Stealthhawk says: Sep 7, 2010 1:28 PM

    Hahaha, the Cardinals again! Their “fans” are a joke. Nobody even went to their games a couple years ago.

  100. Floriohatescincy says: Sep 7, 2010 1:31 PM

    “No team does it all on their own, especially when there are willing sponsors.
    Bengals ownership gave about 4000 tickets to military last year that they bought back. They also bought about 10,000 other tickets back throughout the year while sponsors bought another 10K
    Think before you speak.”
    I get it now!!! Are you Troy Blackburn? Jack Brennan? Katie Blackburn? Has to be one of you right? No self respecting Benagls fan NOT related to Mike would actually come on a public forum and try to make an argument that Mike Brown is NOT cheap. Sorry, I just had to share my revelation with everyone, hatescincy out.

  101. Floriohatescincy says: Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM

    Shin, no, but good try, I don’t think enough of your comments to get “upset by them,” it’s the cumulative nature of the whole thing that gets me. I typically love your takes on the ACTUAL game/teams, but I can’t remember the last time you made a post that I read that didn’t hark to politics, it’s a constant problem with you and a few others here, regardless of politics. I blew up about the last post because I was weak and couldn’t help myself after reading POST AFTER POST from you with un needed political opinons, leave it at your tea parties dude. Or at least leave ti to the enquirer, where the majority of the posters agree with you, it makes more sense there, still “retarded” though.

  102. BigBear123 says: Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM

    Soldier field and Lambeau are ancient stadiums, even with refurbs they are not top stadiums but still sell out. Vikings are coming off a loss in the NFC championship game with most starters returning and can’t sell tickets to avoid a blackout?
    Interesting.

  103. ***VIKINGS*** says: Sep 7, 2010 1:57 PM

    Another thing, you puker fans, this is one guys opinion on what might happen this year!
    But if it makes you feel better, LMAO

  104. purpleguy says: Sep 7, 2010 2:04 PM

    The Vikes have sold out every game since 1998, even sold out the weak-ass pre-season games this year while other teams didn’t, and only have a few thousand remaining unsold tiks for the remaining games, yet there’s a purported danger of a blackout in MN? So Mike, did you want to up your site hits from all those unemployed Saints and Packer fans again?

  105. Kirmie says: Sep 7, 2010 2:09 PM

    # HarrisonHits says: September 7, 2010 10:52 AM
    “With Tim Tebow’s Broncos visiting Jacksonville”
    Tebow may be very popular in FL but the fans there have to know he won’t be playing unless Orton is injured, so why would they rush right down to see him sitting on the bench ?
    ———-
    You severely underestimate the Tebow draw. He drew thousands to watch him practice for the Senior Bowl. The fact that he “might” play is enough for those idiots.

  106. Deb says: Sep 7, 2010 2:14 PM

    @epping16 …
    Really? A man’s game and no one else is welcome? So you didn’t watch football as a boy? You just suddenly became a fan when you turned 21?
    You sound ridiculous. Real men don’t have to work so hard to prove it. The league has been marketing the NFL as a FAMILY sport for generations. No one would mistake me for a man, but I’d match my football knowledge against yours any day.
    As for my complaint about the cost of tickets for a family, that was based on watching my brother check ticket prices for an away Steelers game. As it happens, he and my sister-in-law are blessed that they can afford to fly their grade-schoolers across the country to the NCAA National Championship or spend a couple of thousand taking them to a pro game. But your parents shouldn’t have to be lawyers for you to get to see an NFL team play.

  107. shinsnake says: Sep 7, 2010 2:24 PM

    @FlorioHatesCincy
    You don’t hang around TML much. The majority of the people there disagree with me, which is exactly why I continue to return. Well, that and the coherent conversation. Unlike this place…ew.
    Anyway, you’re concern over my political content is duly noted. However, I must inform you that it is relatively low on the list considering the only problem you have is with conservative political opinion. You haven’t taken a stand against any of the political discussion that comes up in these articles or the comments to them. Maybe try to be a little more consistent with comments you want to be quiet and then it will move your concern up my list. I’m sure there’s a few Tebow articles upcoming, so I’m confident you’ll be there to mediate all the anti-Christian comments. Oh, what’s that? You agree with those sentiments? So you don’t have a problem with those “off-topic” subjects being broached? Ah, okay, now that we all understand each other better, carry on.

  108. LAEaglefan says: Sep 7, 2010 2:25 PM

    The league should forget about blackouts entirely. People don’t want to pay $100 plus per person for tickets to fight traffic and sit in the nosebleed seats when its much cheaper and more comfortable to just watch the game on their big screen TV.

  109. jasncondit says: Sep 7, 2010 2:26 PM

    @js136202 says:
    September 7, 2010 12:08 PM
    I’ve been to your stadium more than once. And I didn’t take my son…lol he’s not old enough yet. And I sat in the dog pound with my signs! And it was fun when we won. Not a Bengals fan either.
    And no I didn’t go on tangents. I was listing what was wrong with Cleveland. You just proved correct my point number four about point number 3 again…lmbo. (follow me?…lol)
    DB26 says:
    September 7, 2010 12:27 PM
    Ya LeBron is going to say he might come back to Cleveland. He saw you burn his Jersey and thought you might do that to his home he couldn’t sell in Akron and Cleveland. And he’s worried about his buddies getting beat up for supporting him. Didn’t you read the story about how he HATED CLEVELAND growing up in Akron. Just watch the first game in Cleveland vs. the Heat bet you Cleveland has to import riot police they can’t afford.

  110. VikingsPrincess says: Sep 7, 2010 2:26 PM

    @ MACHINEGUNIBIZA
    You said, “ONLY because Target and some other deep pocketed local corporations bought up the tickets at the last minute. Go get some FACTS before you post such drivel in the future OK?”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I didn’t post any “drivel”. There have been a couple of times when corporations have stepped in to purchase the last 1,000 – 2,000 tickets available in a 63,000+ seat stadium. We’ve had 115 consecutive sell-outs. People bring up how we can’t sell out play-off games. In January 2009, only 55% of season ticket holders purchased play-off tickets, leaving a large number of tickets on-sale all at once. People talk about Jared Allen “begging” people to buy play-off tickets – the truth is that most people assumed they weren’t even available except on the resale market at 2 – 5x the price. Once the fans were aware that the tickets were available, we bought them all – no corporate sponsorship needed.
    Vikings tickets range from $39 to $143. There are very few of the $39 seats. The average price of a ticket is $87 after they increased the 2010 prices by 3%… but we’re still selling out.
    Quibbling over 1 – 2k tickets that may or may not be sold to corporations just makes you look silly. And light on facts.

  111. VikingsPrincess says: Sep 7, 2010 2:35 PM

    @epping16
    You said, in a quite uneducated manner, “Here’s an idea for you people complaining about how much it costs a FAMILY to go to a game. Leave the family at home….Football is not a family sport, or a sport for kids, it’s a mans sport.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    While I prefer not to have a bunch of kids around me when in the stadium (as I have a bit of a potty mouth that I hate having to control based on the proximity of small humans), football is not a “man’s” sport. Women go to the games, women buy NFL merchandise and women can be as knowledgeable about football as men are. Moreso in many cases.
    I go to many games with friends. If you see a bunch of women decked out in purple & gold, that’ll be us cheering on our team. It’ll be hard to spot us though, what with all of the other women in the stadium also decked out in purple & gold.
    Try to keep your ignorance to a minimum, would you?

  112. TheToolofTools says: Sep 7, 2010 2:39 PM

    Why don’t they just try to SELL the tickets for $.34 on the dollar?
    How stupid is that?
    What.. your going to get other dopes upset?
    Those people in the lux boxes get to write their tix off on their taxes or else they are comped so they don’t care.
    insane.
    better to get something for those seats… and a blackout is an exposure killer.

  113. steelersmichele says: Sep 7, 2010 2:56 PM

    If so many teams are facing blackouts, how can Goodell push for an 18 game season? That means more games are going to be unavailable for fans to watch.
    With the NFL ticket and the RedZone available to people, along with LCD/3-D televisions, I can see why more and more people would want to stay home and watch the game–there is a recession and it’s cheaper.

  114. Floriohatescincy says: Sep 7, 2010 2:59 PM

    I give up, you’ll keep being a loudmouth neocon bootlick regardless of where you are or what I say, all I wanted was to read some FOOTBALL thoughts on a FOOTBALL site by FOOTBALL fans, guess it’s too much to ask from folks like you. For Shame, For Shame Shin.

  115. UpstateRules says: Sep 7, 2010 3:00 PM

    What irks me the most are people who act like vultures around small market teams just to make them look almighty. Football has been in towns like Buffalo and Minniapolis for 50+ years and everyone thinks those teams should move to LA who lost a team twice.
    A little tid-bit about Great Lakes cities, they have been in recession for almost 17 years and the rest of the country is now starting to catch up!! We still support our teams to the hilt!!
    And to the rectal orafice trashing Cleveland, what ever comes around goes around!! Karma’s a beyotch!!

  116. Bengals1622 says: Sep 7, 2010 3:02 PM

    The Jests aren’t selling out their home opener in their new stadium either. Large market and all. Why no mention of this in the article:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/jets_owner_will_buy_tickets_to_avert_zXk7YOADHJD4Ze6j7oplLL

  117. Norrec says: Sep 7, 2010 3:06 PM

    Why is it every time the issue of ticket prices comes up, people start bitching about how much players, coaches and owners make? These players are paid based on what the nfl collectivley brings in and distributes to the teams. Get off your high horse and come back down to reality. You want to actually take a stance against these people making too much money? Don’t watch football, buy apparel, attend events or even view nfl oriented sites. Until then, complaining they make too much, while continuing to support them, only makes you look like an idiot and a hypocrite. Grow up.

  118. Ilovefoolsball says: Sep 7, 2010 3:13 PM

    Once Lord Favre needs crutches this season there won’t be any sold out vikings games. People just don’t want to go to that outdated stadium to see TJack running for 3 yards on 3rd and 11.
    Maybe Target can bail them out again.

  119. shaggytoodle says: Sep 7, 2010 3:15 PM

    The Packers are lucky enough to not have to worry about it, as they have people waiting 30 some years to get the chance to buy face value tickets from the team.

  120. js136202 says: Sep 7, 2010 3:24 PM

    jasncondit
    Points 3 and 4 of your uneducated, rambling nonsense are as follows
    3. How vile and un-kid friendly your disgusting stadium is when you call an opposing fan an @$sh0le and 40,000 other idiots chime in for 10 minutes straight before starting it all over again on someone else. This goes on during the entire game.
    4. No wonder no one in your stupid city can get a job because it’s filled with idiots like point number 3.
    Jason Condit, with all due respect, you can barely scramble together a cogent sentence and you feel the need to comment on the employment situation in Cleveland?
    If you go to nearly any stadium in the NFL wearing the opposing teams apparel, you will be treated in the exact same way. Go to pittsburgh, philly, baltimore, chicago, dallas, or green bay and see what you are treated like.
    You also artfully managed to avoid telling us who you root for, so as to avoid anyone being able to insult you. Well played, keep making digs about Cleveland based off your single visit (where you were probably being an asshole since you already admitted you had signs) and we’ll keep telling you what a worthless puke are when you get tickets in the Dawg Pound.

  121. epping16 says: Sep 7, 2010 3:27 PM

    @Deb: of course I followed the NFL as a child, but I didn’t go to games. Going to games is about drinking beer, and having fun. NFL stadiums have been the way they are for years. I’m not saying don’t take your kids. If you choose to fine. But people are complaining about the mouthing going on while their kids were around. That’s not going to change and it shouldn’t. Football has always been a better sport to watch on TV anyway. I choose to go once or twice a year when my team is near for the atmosphere, something that when my son is 15 or 16 and old enough to understand why those people are acting like that, he will experience too. For now he gets to go to baseball and hockey games. Someday he will understand what the NFL is all about.

  122. epping16 says: Sep 7, 2010 3:30 PM

    @viking: you don’t have to try personal attacks to make your point. I didn’t mean mans game, sorry for that. My wife loves football too. The point was if you can’t take the cursing, the booing, the drinking…..leave the kids at home until they are old enough to understand why. An NFL stadium is an adult atmosphere, and that will not change

  123. Deb says: Sep 7, 2010 4:34 PM

    @epping16 …
    Since this is a blackout thread, I was commenting solely on ticket prices, not fan behavior. My point was that the NFL is pricing average fans out of the market–especially for the championship game. So your comment didn’t fit the discussion.
    But if we’re talking about the atmosphere in the stadium, I see your point. My niece and nephew have been attending NCAA football, basketball, and baseball games since they were toddlers and have attended MLB and NBA games. Still, I’d rather they were older before taking in an NFL game. But that’s not my call to make.

  124. Raiders757 says: Sep 7, 2010 5:05 PM

    It’s pretty obvious that bad play and a high overall expense to go see a game are the main contributing factors for many teams. The real eye opener is when good teams have a hard time selling out. Despite what many of you morons want to believe, it’s not a reflection on their fans as much as it is a reflection on the consumer saying enough is enough. This isn’t just a problem in the NFL. It’s effecting all of sports & forms of entertainment. Greedy owners, ticket brokers, and promoters have been pushing the envelope to the breaking point. They were able to do this as long as there were suckers like Epping16 out there stupid enough to pay more than what the entertainment value is worth.
    Sadly so many hands are in the live sports and entertainment cookie jar, that nobody is willing to be the one that backs off first. They would just rather see empty seats and break even. Their theory is “hell, if you can’t fill the seats, just ream those who are willing enough to sit in them”. This is what makes people like Epping16 look like such an idiot. They’re too stupid to realize their being reamed at the expense of unsold tickets.
    When it comes to my favorite team, I live clean across the country from their stadium. The Raiders have a huge fan base. Most of which live outside of the state of California. The Raiders have been on a terrible run for seven years, so it’s no wonder the local fans are staying away. There’ no other way to show your team that your sick of seeing them loose, and that your sick of the high ticket prices, than not showing up. that doesn’t make them a “bad fan”. Hell, even whe nthe Raiders turn things around, I can’t blame anyone for not wanting to buy tickets to sit at the top of Mt. Davis. You can get the same view from the Goodyear blimp.

  125. tango says: Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM

    The Oakland Coliseum is a dump but it will fill-up when Ad Davis departs. We are blacked out because of the hate for that man !!

  126. JSpicoli says: Sep 7, 2010 5:27 PM

    I used to love to go to games, and then Tivo and DVR’s and HD and reasonably priced large screen tv’s came along. On top of all that they want more and more money for the tickets, to park, for food etc.
    Screw them. My HD set up, couch and BBQ at home are great and there are no lines at the bathrooms. Plus I watch which games I want to with Direct TV.

  127. JSpicoli says: Sep 7, 2010 5:30 PM

    @Tango.
    Winning is the answer, not Al Davis. What happened from 1999-2002? They won and sold out. The move back from LA killed most season tickets and they had to start over, two losing streaks (1995-1998 and 2003-2010) have hurt momentum in filling the seats, but it is obvious to anyone with a brain that losing is what keeps fans away, not some inbred, overhyped hate for a man you do not know.

  128. VikingsPrincess says: Sep 7, 2010 6:16 PM

    @ShaggyToodle
    You said, “The Packers are lucky enough to not have to worry about it, as they have people waiting 30 some years to get the chance to buy face value tickets from the team.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Green Bay is in a unique position. There is literally NO infrastructure in place so you can never host a Super Bowl. Plus, there is literally nothing else to do there, so that 30+ year wait must seem 3x as long. If you look at your division rivals like the Vikings and the Bears, their markets offer all the major professional sports (football, basketball, baseball, hockey, women’s basketball) plus have numerous cultural offerings where people may choose to spend their time & money. The Packers have nothing to compete for the market’s money & time, which explains your fixation on one sports team.

  129. buzzbissinger says: Sep 7, 2010 6:27 PM

    This just in: the economy is in the toilet. And the NFL and all of it’s teams collectively extended their respective middle fingers to it’s fans by maintaining or raising their prices.
    Note to the NFL; suck on your wack blackout rule, people will find other things to do.

  130. tango says: Sep 7, 2010 6:33 PM

    Mr. Spicoli, your wrong. 1999-2002 dead Al did not draft types like JaJunk and trade for over hyped players who fell flat on their faces. I hate the guy because he does not admit the game has passed him up. Not to mention, I just found out parking is going to be $33 frickin dollars and if yopu want to takwe BART you get crammed over a small bridge that takes an hour to move 100 yards. Al will blame on the Coliseum board but if he really cared he would handle that and let the football minds handle the team

  131. JSpicoli says: Sep 7, 2010 7:55 PM

    Al put the 1998-2002 team together and all you idiotic naysayers were saying that the game had passed him by in 1997, then you stfu for 4 years and let nature take it’s course, that is, ups and downs of a football team, it happens.
    Jamarcus was the CONCENSUS #1 pick of the entire NFL and anyone needing a QB would have taken him #1. shut up with your overdone ageism.
    The coliseum does not sell out some of it’s home games, not all, becuase of the losing. The MILLISECOND we return to winning ways, you see sellouts every home game. Things are not that far off, except in your head.

  132. PackerFansAreInbred says: Sep 7, 2010 10:30 PM

    Wow Florio, do you really lack knowledge? There won’t be any blackouts in Minnesota this season so scratch them off your list. Once the Vikings get their new Stadium (It will be approved in the 2011 Legislative Session) Minnesota will never hear the word blackout ever again. The Dome sucks, a new Stadium will bring in more fans. Need proof? Twins have sold out every home game @ Target Field this season, Target Field is the best park in MLB. Wild have sold out every home game in franchise history @ the Xcel Energy Center and that’s the best arena in the NHL. You know why Green Bay never has trouble selling out? There’s nothing else in Green Bay. It’s the most boring NFL market. Nothing in Green Bay to compete for the dollar with the Packers.

  133. dudeustupid says: Sep 7, 2010 10:30 PM

    soooooo i hope you’re not talking about week one here. seeing as how the chargers dont have to sell out. Because they are playing in KC on MNF. Soooooo if you’re talking about week one you should do just a tiny bit of research. OK bye

  134. Dave The Panther says: Sep 8, 2010 12:04 AM

    Kraven STFU they are under 1000 tickets Left. Carolina has had a blackout in a long time. Do group Carolina with the Jacksonsville’s and other losers.

  135. jaydee327 says: Sep 8, 2010 12:39 AM

    Great lakes teams rule. f the rest of you.

  136. shaggytoodle says: Sep 8, 2010 12:43 AM

    Green Bay is in a unique position. There is literally NO infrastructure in place so you can never host a Super Bowl.
    ________________________________
    There are PLENTY of cities that won’t hold a Superbowl, but Wisconsin does back the majority of the teams that play here, the Brewers even though they haven’t done so well still have better attendence than other teams doing better. UNLV has benifitted from playing the Badgers as 3 games of that series are responsible for the highest numbers in there stadium. So while you may feel its lack of options, it’s just that people from Wisconsin love showing support for thier home team reguardless of what happens in the end.
    _____________________________
    I am interested to see that if the Vikings were to get a slow start this season which is possible due to the strength of schedule. If they would get blacked out just remember how hard it was to get rid of post season tickets for them.

  137. sullijo says: Sep 8, 2010 2:32 AM

    Apparently all the rich folk Obama talks about all the time don’t live in these cities.

  138. Favre's Hamartia says: Sep 8, 2010 4:55 AM

    VikingsPrincess says:
    September 7, 2010 6:16 PM
    “If you look at your division rivals like the Vikings and the Bears, their markets offer all the major professional sports (football, basketball, baseball, hockey, women’s basketball) plus have numerous cultural offerings where people may choose to spend their time & money.”
    ================================
    The fact that you included “women’s basketball” in you list of major professional sports invalidates your entire argument. Plus, I don’t think the Timberwolves qualify as an NBA franchise.
    Nice try, though.
    I love it when Minnesotans get all high and mighty about “culture”. Your state has one major metropolitan area. The rest of your state is East Dakota.

  139. ejtowne says: Sep 8, 2010 8:03 AM

    UpstateRules says:
    September 7, 2010 3:00 PM
    What irks me the most are people who act like vultures around small market teams just to make them look almighty. Football has been in towns like Buffalo and Minniapolis for 50+ years and everyone thinks those teams should move to LA who lost a team twice.
    A little tid-bit about Great Lakes cities, they have been in recession for almost 17 years and the rest of the country is now starting to catch up!! We still support our teams to the hilt!!
    And to the rectal orafice trashing Cleveland, what ever comes around goes around!! Karma’s a beyotch!!
    I agree with you. The Great Lakes cities are the meaning of football. We stand by our teams through it all, weather 3-13 or 13-3. My brother has cerebal palsey and can barely walk, but makes it to every Bills game. Through the sub-zero blizzards, no playoffs for a decade, no car, will ride the bus if he has to, but he is there every year for every home game rooting for his team. Now thats a fan! And we have many just like him that are willing to do the same. Do you really think we would let this team move to LA? I think Upstaterules would agree with me when i say… Hell no!!

  140. Jag4Life says: Sep 8, 2010 8:07 AM

    Dave The Panther says:
    September 8, 2010 12:04 AM
    Kraven STFU they are under 1000 tickets Left. Carolina has had a blackout in a long time. Do group Carolina with the Jacksonsville’s and other losers.
    ————————————————-
    Sorry Davey boy, but while your Panthers have 1000 tickets left, the Jags have sold our the first FOUR games. So who’s the loser now, oh yeah Carolina.

  141. PackerFansAreInbred says: Sep 8, 2010 10:11 AM

    shaggytootle-I live in Wisconsin, and they do not back a majority of their teams. Wisconsin is a football-only state. People here try to say Nascar too but I don’t consider that a sport. Nobody cares about the Brewers over here. I can understand mobody caring about the Bucks though because the NBA is 100% garbage.

  142. kravon says: Sep 8, 2010 10:48 AM

    @ DavethePanther –
    Until the game against Tampa is sold out, the threat of a blackout remains.
    How excited you must be for Carolina vs. Tampa?
    Whats was recently a potential Monday night game is now one of the worst games of the weekend.
    Kravon
    PFT Hall of Fame Class 2010

  143. Ruvell100 says: Sep 8, 2010 10:50 AM

    “If you look at your division rivals like the Vikings and the Bears, their markets offer all the major professional sports (football, basketball, baseball, hockey, women’s basketball) plus have numerous cultural offerings where people may choose to spend their time & money.”
    —————-
    Oh no, you’re not going to tell us how a Minnesotan invented the Roller Blade again, are you?
    Whenever you write a statement like you did, you just show the whole world how unbelievably stupid you and your state are. Cultural offerings? So, what, you can’t go to the Vikings games because Cats is playing at the Guthrie? The dinosaur exhibit is at the Science Museum? If this is true, it is a glaring example of why football doesn’t belong in Minnesota. Museums, music, culture, etc…IN EVERY CITY in the nation. Tell me again why Minnesotans can’t support their team?

  144. VikingsPrincess says: Sep 8, 2010 11:03 AM

    @Ruvell100
    You said, “Whenever you write a statement like you did, you just show the whole world how unbelievably stupid you and your state are. Cultural offerings? So, what, you can’t go to the Vikings games because Cats is playing at the Guthrie? The dinosaur exhibit is at the Science Museum? If this is true, it is a glaring example of why football doesn’t belong in Minnesota. Museums, music, culture, etc…IN EVERY CITY in the nation. Tell me again why Minnesotans can’t support their team?”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Actually you show your stupidity by ignoring one MAJOR thing: people’s budgets. There’s only so much money to go around ergo if you have more things to do, money is used for more than just football.
    115 consecutive sell-outs (including the play-off games we’ve enjoyed far more times than the Packers have in the last 50 years) says that the Vikings are well supported by well-rounded fans.

  145. foofeiter says: Sep 8, 2010 12:00 PM

    MACHINE GUN IBIZA says:
    September 7, 2010 10:44 AM
    Blackouts in Minnesota? Say it ain’t so!
    The Queens have only been able to avoid this fate before due to local corps buying up the unsold tickets. And one wonders why the locals won’t pony up tax money for a new pleasure dome them? Its simple-they don’t give a rat’s bottom about them.
    Meanwhile, the Packers consecutive home sell out streak is in the hundreds and the waiting list for tickets stretches into decades.
    =============================
    Yeah, they don’t give a crap about them. That’s why when the Vikes are on TV, they get better ratings in MN then the Packers do in WI. Good luck with that defense this year.

  146. tango says: Sep 8, 2010 12:12 PM

    Spicoli Dead Al did not want Rich Gannon but Gruden insisted. He was only one of several players that fell into that category.

  147. TiceWasBetter says: Sep 8, 2010 1:08 PM

    Amzing how even this topic turned into a Viking -Packer feud.
    To the people that think the Vikings will have a slow start resulting in blackouts toward the end of the season. You’re correct in your logic, but completely wrong in your knowledge.
    According to a report by the startribune during training camp there are fewer then 1,000 games for all remaining home games. With more then half already sold out.
    If Childress was your head coach you’d have reservations about buying tickets too. Hello 12 men in the huddle!
    And as much as I love going to the Dome it has reached its limit, with stadiums opening around the NFL that are like ceasars palace the fans in Minnesota are sick of the cramped corridours, fifteen minute bathroom waiting lines and twenty minute concession lines. Not to mention Target Field shows everyone how crappy the Dome really is for the fans.
    However, once you get to your seats you realize Viking fans are the most loyal and vocal fans in the league. We just want head coach that doesn’t blow it at the worst time and a better venue, until that happens we’ll still pack the metrodome as best we can.
    The Vikings also have alway been in the top ten in viewer ratings decades before Favre even played in the NFL.
    Oh, and, of course, the reason the Packers have sold out for 30+ yrs is there is NOTHING to do in WI and that team has been around for 80+ yrs. Big surprise there. Aside from cow-tipping and old milwaukee best there’s nothing to do in WI. Also if you were able to actually look at that season ticket waiting list the majority of people on their don’t live in WI and are ticket brokers trying to make a profit off of all them crazed Phacker fans around the country.

  148. VikingsPrincess says: Sep 8, 2010 3:22 PM

    @TiceWasBetter
    As you noted, both the Pioneer Press and the Star Tribune are reporting that the Vikings are not in danger of any blackouts this year. Over half of the home games are sold out already and for those that aren’t, there are very few tickets available.
    The good news is that there are still a limited number of VIP tickets for some of the games at $250 per ticket. Those will be sold out as well when other options dry up – or maybe sooner, depending upon how much people are willing to spend.
    Hey Florio – you can take your speculation and focus it on another team.

  149. cthunder says: Sep 8, 2010 4:25 PM

    Seriously did you put Seattle on the list? Not going to happen.

  150. EducateFlorio says: Sep 8, 2010 11:41 PM

    I like how reporters have absolutely no regard for researching or reporting facts anymore. At least you can pass the blame on to Leahy for this entire retarded article, but if you’re going to repost it you should at least check if any of it is accurate first before you make yourself look like a jackass along with him Florio. Watch out PFT, Florio looks like he’s fishing for a job at ESPN with garbage like this.
    All the retards from Wisconsin just give it up. We understand you’re still bitter about Favre leaving you but you guys really need to get over it, you sound like little girls who got dumped, and you’re still crying 3 years later.

  151. husky92 says: Sep 9, 2010 7:41 AM

    I don’t want to hear any smack being sent Buffalo’s way. They have some of the greatest fans in the world and they support the tea. Sure the Bills may be horrible again, but the fans are die hards unlike some of the other wimps out there (Jax, Oakland). Buffalo isn’t one of those white wine places, it’s beer and chicken wings and Bills football. The Bills will be back. It may be a couple of years but they aren’t moving.

  152. Jag4Life says: Sep 9, 2010 10:03 AM

    @husky92
    Yeah Jax is a bunch of wimps. This coming from A Bills fans. Obviously you have no sense of Jax being the 16th best attendance out of 32 in the league up until last year. Come back when you are once again the bottom dweller of the AFC East. Nice try though

  153. ACS2 says: Sep 9, 2010 5:06 PM

    VikingsPrincess says:
    September 8, 2010 11:03 AM
    Vikings are well supported by well-rounded fans.
    ————
    We can all agree on this.
    http://bigbrassblog.com/media/20/20070515-fat-lady-sings.jpg

  154. ACS2 says: Sep 9, 2010 5:10 PM

    VikingsPrincess says:
    September 7, 2010 2:26 PM
    There have been a couple of times when corporations have stepped in to purchase the last 1,000 – 2,000 tickets available….In January 2009, only 55% of season ticket holders purchased play-off tickets….Jared Allen “begging” people to buy play-off tickets.
    ————-
    Sounds like you made that guy’s point for him.

  155. PackAttackBackMan says: Sep 10, 2010 12:34 AM

    # VikingsPrincess says: September 7, 2010 6:16 PM
    @ShaggyToodle
    You said, “The Packers are lucky enough to not have to worry about it, as they have people waiting 30 some years to get the chance to buy face value tickets from the team.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~
    Green Bay is in a unique position. There is literally NO infrastructure in place so you can never host a Super Bowl. Plus, there is literally nothing else to do there, so that 30+ year wait must seem 3x as long. If you look at your division rivals like the Vikings and the Bears, their markets offer all the major professional sports (football, basketball, baseball, hockey, women’s basketball) plus have numerous cultural offerings where people may choose to spend their time & money. The Packers have nothing to compete for the market’s money & time, which explains your fixation on one sports team.
    ————————————————-
    You forget one thing, about 50% of the Packers season ticket holders do not even live in Green Bay!!! My family has season tickets and we are from the Milwaukee area…. The couple next to us, get this. are from MINNESOTA……Thats right, they drive 3 hours every home game to see the Packers. Without Milwaukee, the Packers would have never made it through the lean years of the 70’s and 80’s. So please do not assume every Packer fan is some dumb hick who lives on a farm in Green Bay just waiting for “something” to do….

  156. PackerFansAreInbred says: Sep 10, 2010 11:23 AM

    Yes the Vikings playoff game against Philadelphia in January 2009 did need 2 extensions to sell out but it did sell out and without a corporate bailout. With the bad economy and having to buy tickets for both first round and NFC Championship it added up to a lot of money. Last season the season ticket holders had the option of paying as you go so they didn’t have to pay for the NFC Championship unless they actually hosted it. As a result, the playoff game against Dallas was sold out the Monday Morning after the regular season ended which was before the fans even knew they would play Dallas.

  157. ACS2 says: Sep 10, 2010 12:42 PM

    I suppose only Minnesota had to deal with the bad economy? Vikings fans are fair-weather fans and they always have been.
    Watch how many season tickets open up when Favre retires… Again… And actually stays retired.

  158. PackerFansAreInbred says: Sep 10, 2010 1:20 PM

    ACS-What you fail to realize is people are on a budget. Lambeau Field is the only attraction in Green Bay, it is one of the most boring towns in America. Also note that Minnesota supports ALL of their teams while Wisconsin only supports the Packers & Badger football. Badger hockey played for a National Championship last April & nobody in the State of Wisconsin even cared. Here are some facts for Minnesota teams.
    Vikings-128 consecutive sellouts (11th best active streak out of 32 teams)
    Twins-Sold out every home game since Target Field opened, best ballpark in MLB
    Wild-409 consecutive sellouts (Longest active streak in NHL) Xcel Center best arena in NHL
    Gopher Football-Will be bad in 2010 but selling out every game since TCF Bank Stadium opened.
    Gopher Basketball-Williams Arena always full for Big Ten games
    Gopher Hockey-Always sell out 10,000 seat arena.
    Plus the fact all these teams draw very large TV ratings. Vikings were always a top 5 TV ratings draw before Favre even came here. Fair-weather? Not.

  159. ACS2 says: Sep 10, 2010 1:57 PM

    I notice you left off the Timberwolves… Maybe football just isn’t meant to be played in the Minnesota?

  160. ACS2 says: Sep 10, 2010 2:59 PM

    Sorry, I was on a conference call and I was distracted when I posted that last one.
    Having said that, you left off the Lakers… Whoops. I mean you left off the North Stars. Whoops. I mean you left off the Timberwolves.. Whoops.
    Also, your argument has a couple of huge holes in it. How many people are in the Twin Cities area and how many are in the Green Bay area? How much money is in the Twin Cities area and how much money is in the Green Bay area?
    This tired old reasoning that there are more entertainment choices available in the cities falls flat on its face when you consider: (1) The NFL, and football in general, is king. (2) There’s about 28 people in the twin cities for every one person in Green Bay. (3) Lambeau holds 8,000 more people than the Metrodome. (4) The Vikings have struggled, and needed help, to fill that stadium for most of the consecutive sellout streak you’re so proud of.
    By the way, did you know that the Metrodome is actually the 2nd smallest stadium in the NFL? I didn’t know that. You wouldn’t think it’d be difficult for the nation’s 16th largest media market to fill the NFL’s 2nd smallest stadium. At least, not if the nation’s 70th largest media market can easily fill the NFL’s 11th largest stadium.
    Anyway, why did you change the subject in the first place? We were talking about the Vikings and how they need help to fill a 64,000 seat stadium for a playoff team. Gophers? Twins? They don’t enter into it.

  161. PackerFansAreInbred says: Sep 10, 2010 3:22 PM

    First of all, I left the Timberwolves off the list because the NBA is 100% garbage. Worst sports league of all. Nobody here cares about the NBA. And if Norm Green hadn’t have banged a State Senator’s Daughter, the North Stars would have never left town. Yes the Metrodome holds lower capacity but there is not much in the way of premium seating. Most Stadiums in the league have so much of the premium seats, that they only need to sell around 55,000 seats to get the technical sellout. And I wasn’t just talking about Green Bay, I was mentioning the whole state of Wisconsin. I live in Wisconsin and nobody cared when the Brewers made the playoffs 2 years ago & nobody cared when the Badger hockey team played for a National title last April. At least in Minnesota the fans rioted when the Gopher hockey team won it all. It seems football is the only thing that matters in this state.

  162. PackerFansAreInbred says: Sep 10, 2010 4:54 PM

    And I’ll also add in that Vikings tickets are not cheap. I’m a season ticket holder paying over $60 per game for Upper Level tickets in a corner halfway up. I’d hate to imagine how much those Lower Level ticket prices are.

  163. ACS2 says: Sep 10, 2010 6:33 PM

    You’ve got your sports messed up. Hockey’s boring and baseball’s just as bad. I can honestly say I’ve only once in my life watched an entire hockey game, and that was the US/Canada gold medal game a few months back.
    And I don’t think I’ve ever watched a full 9 innings of baseball.
    NBA basketball is a shadow of what it used to be, but in my opinion is still beats baseball and hockey at any level.
    And I could easily say, “No one cares about football in Minnesota” and it’d carry just as much meaning as you saying it about baseball and hockey in Wisconsin.
    Don’t you think you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth when you say, “Yes the Metrodome holds lower capacity but there is not much in the way of premium seating” and then follow it up with, “And I’ll also add in that Vikings tickets are not cheap”?
    On the one hand you say it’s tough to sell out the Metrodome because there’s not much premium seating. Then you go on to say tickets cost too much. Huh? Those statements seem to conflict with each other.
    Also, Vikings ticket prices are pretty much right at the NFL average. Tickets for EVERY team in the league are expensive, unless your team is the Patriots. In that case, ticket prices are outrageous.
    So ticket prices are generally high. This is not unique to Minnesota. I’ve seen absolutely nothing to convince me Vikings fan’s aren’t fair-weather fans.

  164. PackAttackBackMan says: Sep 10, 2010 7:14 PM

    # PackerFansAreInbred says: September 10, 2010 3:22 PM
    First of all, I left the Timberwolves off the list because the NBA is 100% garbage. Worst sports league of all. Nobody here cares about the NBA. And if Norm Green hadn’t have banged a State Senator’s Daughter, the North Stars would have never left town. Yes the Metrodome holds lower capacity but there is not much in the way of premium seating. Most Stadiums in the league have so much of the premium seats, that they only need to sell around 55,000 seats to get the technical sellout. And I wasn’t just talking about Green Bay, I was mentioning the whole state of Wisconsin. I live in Wisconsin and nobody cared when the Brewers made the playoffs 2 years ago & nobody cared when the Badger hockey team played for a National title last April. At least in Minnesota the fans rioted when the Gopher hockey team won it all. It seems football is the only thing that matters in this state.
    —————————————————-
    I call bullshit…. When the Brew Crew went to the playoffs, at least where i live(Milwaukee area), EVERYBODY jumped on the bandwagon. Wisconsin is a football state first and foremost. Maybe because of the history of the Packers? They have been here the longest….. Have the most championships…
    The city of Milwaukee is a baseball town when they win…. The Brewers have drawn over 3 million the past 3 years. We support our teams. For you to say nobody cared is total BULLSHIT and you know it. You are just trying to make Wisconsin look bad for whatever reason.
    You sir are an idiot…..

  165. Stirr says: Sep 10, 2010 8:30 PM

    just for the record, the Browns move at the end of ’95 had nothing to do with attendance – the Browns were consistently a top 5 franchise for attendance. It was about Modell’s personal debt and greed. I’ve seen the remark a couple times, which is entirely erroneous.
    It might be sacrilige, but I seriously think Buffalo should think about “sharing” the Bills with Toronto. It seems the only chance of keeping them in such a small market.

  166. PackerFansAreInbred says: Sep 10, 2010 11:21 PM

    ACS-Look at the Vikings TV ratings in the Minneapolis/St. Paul market. Always very high win or lose, home or away. Vikings games in Minnesota get better ratings than Packers games in Wisconsin.
    PackAttack-Yes, In Milwaukee the passion was there when the Brewers played in the postseason but it seemed like Western & Central Wisconsin the interest was not there.

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