Steelers beat writer wags finger at "national media" for repeating Tomlin's Tuesday quote

On Tuesday, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin appeared on Sirius NFL Radio with Adam Schein and Rich Gannon.  And Schein asked Tomlin a straightforward question about the quarterback position as of the team’s fifth game, once starter Ben Roethlisberger returns from a four-game suspension.

Will Ben be the starter when he comes back?

Said Tomlin:  “I’m going to dodge that one and not artfully.  I’m not going to back myself in a corner.”

Folks like us and USA Today and ESPN.com picked up on the comment, and we gave it the attention and analysis that a comment of this nature would merit.

But Steelers beat writer Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, whom we like and respect, didn’t like (or presumably respect) the decision of the “national media” to repeat the words uttered from Tomlin’s mouth — and to believe that Tomlin meant what he said.

I don’t know how this started,” Bouchette writes, “but the national media has taken a few
words uttered by Mike Tomlin and a few things he left unsaid  and
twisted them into ‘fact’ that the Steelers coach may not play Ben
Roethlisberger when he returns from his suspension.”

Frankly, I don’t know why Bouchette thinks that the “national media” has applied an inappropriate or inaccurate meaning to Tomlin’s words.  Schein asked Tomlin if Ben will be the starter when Ben comes back.  Tomlin opted to not say “yes”.  And if Tomlin wants to issue a statement clarifying his position on the matter, he’s free to do so at any time.

Bouchette also complicates the matter by suggesting that the “national media” misinterpreted a comment from Tomlin’s Tuesday press conference regarding whether Dennis Dixon will “have the opportunity to hold on to this spot during the four-week stretch.”  Tomlin said, “It depends on how he plays.  And that’s the nature of the NFL.  I think
anybody who suggests anything different is misinformed or misleading
you.”  Bouchette specifically believes that some in the “national media” took this to mean that Tomlin suggested Dixon could play even after the four-week stretch, if he plays well enough during the four-week stretch.

But here’s the thing — no one in the “national media” claimed directly or indirectly that Tomlin’s comment regarding Dixon’s ability to hold the job for the first four games also reflected a comment that Dixon could hold the job beyond the first four games.  Instead, the “national media” was merely seizing upon the answer Tomlin supplied to a question from Adam Schein that Tomlin could have answered in any way he chose.

Though we rarely accept at face value the things that an NFL coach says when broader notions of strategy are involved, the words are in many cases are worthy of being reported.  Tomlin’s answer to Schein’s question falls squarely into that category, and we’re not sure why anyone would say that Tomlin didn’t really mean what he said, absent a fairly compelling explanation as to why Tomlin would say on this subject something other than what he believes.

134 responses to “Steelers beat writer wags finger at "national media" for repeating Tomlin's Tuesday quote

  1. Steeler beat writers have traditionally acted like they are part of the team. Check out Clayton comments in the 70’s (he was beat reporter in 70’s and 80’s for the steelers).
    I always wondered if some of the reporters didn’t get super bowl rings on the side — lol.

  2. So this guy works in the media and doesn’t even understand how it works? And ppl in pittsburgh take offense to being called inbred retards lol

  3. have we forgotten that the goal of all news is to get ratings first and the report news?
    if you look at it that way things make much more sense.

  4. It’s because Bouchette, unlike PFT writers, probably knows that Tomlin isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, and is trying to cover Tomlin’s tracks. Tomlin is too stupid to clarify his statements without getting heimself in more hot water, so Bouchette is picking it up for him. It’s as simple as that.

  5. “Now, young master Twist, you’ll be staying with this short, fat, clumsy and bad tempered fellow, that the lads all call the Unartful Dodger”.

  6. As the world turns…
    see, stuff like this doesn’t need to be posted here. I’m concerned with NFL news and player transactions, not what a beat writer somewhere thinks about how other beat writers are spreading a story

  7. If you want someone to blame, blame Tomlin for giving a vague answer. What, is Dennis Dixon gonna be the second coming of Kordell Stewart? Big ben should get the job when he comes back, with the complete turds they have as backups.

  8. It’s so precious when PFT writes self-referential articles about the inner workings of the media not a single one of us gives a damn about.

  9. who cares//
    yo PFT’s, i need your input
    help me decide something. /// Johnathon Stewart running against Giants , or Robert Meachem against Vikings.
    stewart splits carries against a decent run defense (vs.) Meachem goin againts the ‘nobody’ corners of Minn.

  10. “Though we rarely accept at face value the things that an NFL coach says when broader notions of strategy are involved, the words are in many cases are worthy of being reported.”
    mmhm.

  11. is Douchette a homer or something? C’mon now, Tomlin wouldn’t say who would start after Ben’s suspension ended, and it’s a valid comment to report. Who is Douchette trying to protect?

  12. I don’t think you have anything to worry about Florio, no one considers you a legitimate member of the national media.

  13. Who cares – this happens all the time. You realize that the fiur letter network does this all the time, once it happens to your team where you have knowledge you realize it’s a bunch of bunk. Make you realize all the reports are bunk!

  14. From yesterdays article by the hack – “If the Steelers win every game under Dixon, some players will surely want to continue to roll with the hot hand. And the coaching staff may decide to do the same thing.”
    From todays article by the hack – “But here’s the thing — no one in the “national media” claimed directly or indirectly that Tomlin’s comment regarding Dixon’s ability to hold the job for the first four games also reflected a comment that Dixon could hold the job beyond the first four games.”
    At least the washington post suspends their writers when they make up stuff.

  15. Awww, poor Pittsburgh beat writer got scooped on a story by Sirius radio hosts, and is worried his fantasy football QB might not play in week 6… Poor wittle guy…

  16. Here is reality: Tomlin wouldn’t commit to giving Rapelisberger his job back because he is a racist.
    Since he took over Pittsburgh, it keeps getting blacker and blacker. Nothing like an entire staff of black guys with black triple fat goose jackets.
    If Dixon or Batch or Leftwich do remotely decent, he will want to give them the job because they are black.

  17. In my opinion, the media has become watered down…and good journalism is almost dead. Instead of finding the stories within the game ….it’s basically alot of “Pot Stirring!”

  18. It is a question that really doesn’t mean anything pertaining to the next 4 weeks of Steelers football. Who cares? Let’s bring it up again in 4 weeks when it is relevant.
    Dear NFL, please move tomorrow nights game up a day so Florio will have something better to post on here that this rubbish.

  19. In other news, Mike Wise just Tweeted that Dan Hampton will get a 5 week suspension for his comments about New Orleans & Katrina.

  20. Steelers cut Roethlisberger in week 3, to very little fanfare. They’re just biding their time. Dennis Dixon is their guy.

  21. Florio, you are a third rate journalist that promotes rumors, sensationalism, and your own editorial comments and attacks as news. You’re a hack.

  22. Just watch how the media feeds Ben the Perv all the attention in the world while there are hundreds of other individual stories of hard working players in the NFL to put the spot light. This is the problem in this country and the NFL, the media and tv feed the fans with negative news and feed the bad players with attention, which usually equates to more spotlight and more money. Disgraceful!!!

  23. Tomlin has made clear the Steelers lack confidence Dixon can run the offense. They’ll scale back the playbook, run the ball, and hope the defense holds strong. These are stop-gap measures, not the strategies of a team leader. Dixon will remain in place as long as he doesn’t hemorrhage points. If he goes 4-0, it will be a miraculous combination of luck, defense, and opponent meltdown. He simply does not have the mental game of a starting QB. That’s why he’s running a SCALED-BACK OFFENSE.
    When Ben returns, regardless of record, the two-time Super Bowl-winning $100-million franchise QB will spend two weeks working with the starting offense and perfecting his timing with the new center. He will start game 5.
    Tomlin cannot say anything to undermine Dixon’s confidence. His priority is the Atlanta Falcons, not the juvenile bloodlust of the media.

  24. Bouchette is right. Florio and the drama-seeking media just try to make a mountain out of every mole hill.
    Nothing is ever 100% but there is a 99% chance Big Ben will start game 5 for Pittsburgh.

  25. Bouchette is right. Florio is wrong. Not even close. Bouchette is an insightful, normal human. Florio wants Tomlin to be pinned in the corner Tomlin refused to be pinned in, and it pisses off Florio.

  26. I love this behind the scenes crap. Next time use a headline like “When Beat Writers Attack” or something.

  27. basically this guy is saying he is sick of the hacks twisting words to get hits on their websites
    translation – florio and the rest of pft are hacks and just want hits on their site

  28. “Frankly, I don’t know why Bouchette thinks that the “national media” has applied an inappropriate or inaccurate meaning to Tomlin’s words.”
    I am pretty sure that you DO know why Bouchette thinks the “national media” has applied an inappropriate or inaccurate meaning to Tomlin’s words. It’s because they (you especially) did. Stick to making mountains out of molehills. The lawyer schtick just makes you seem like your bitterly desperate. Or, maybe its desperately bitter. Either way, pathetic.

  29. I don’t think you can blame this one on the national media, or on Florio. Tomlin drives me crazy at times with things he says in his press conferences. He gets too cute. I don’t understand why he just didn’t say that Ben is our QB and Dixon would be a capable QB until Ben returns (or until Ben is ready to step back into the starting role, etc). If he does have any thoughts of keeping Dixon in there when Ben is ready to play, then he needs to get a brain scan. Ben has proven over time he is a top QB and being out a measily 4 games should not impact that at all. This is not a knock against Dixon in any way,and I hope he does very well in Ben’s absence. It is just a fact about a proven QB, something that Dixon is not.
    If Tomlin was trying to give Dixon some confidence building instead of implying he was merely keeping the seat warm for Ben, I would think he could have said that in a different way than what he did. It did make it sound somewhat negative for Ben.
    I would fault Florio however for not having the balls to make a statement about Ben playing when he is ready. Now he is saying “though we rarely accept at face value the things an NFL coach says when broader notions of strategy are involved”, that is not what Florio said when the story was first reported here. If he thinks Ben might not go right back in when he is ready, then I would clearly question his football intelligence. Statistics over the long-term don’t lie.
    GO STEELERS!!

  30. That’s really funny since it was Bouchette who wrote a story claiming Indy piped in crowd noise and it was a proven fact except a little fact it was never proved by anyone or true.
    He should know all about this kind of thing.

  31. Did you consider the possibility (likelihood) that he wasn’t talking about your little operation at all?
    You didn’t just repeat the coach’s words, you did what you always do; you went overboard. Like a kid first “discovering” his erection.
    You and the sycophants at NBC are the worst combination I could imagine. It would be like FoxNews teaming up with… FoxSports?

  32. Why are members of the media protecting the coach? I didn’t know that was in their job description.
    Very strange, but I guess it is Pittsburgh.

  33. “Folks like us and USA Today and ESPN.com picked up on the comment, and we gave it the attention and analysis that a comment of this nature would merit.”
    In other words you spun his comments completely out of context to achieve web hits.
    ESPN said today: “Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday there’s no guarantee that Ben Roethlisberger will be the starting quarterback when he returns from his four-game suspension.”
    Bullshit. He never said anything like that. Not even close. If anything he was refusing to get drawn into that conversation.

  34. I kinda see the guy’s point.
    If the national media followed me around, and qouted me all the time, I’m sure they’d find something to make a story about. Example:
    Wife: Do you want me to make dinner?
    Me: I’m not really hungry tonight, honey.
    Headline: “Man Refuses to Eat Wife’s Cooking”
    or
    Wife: Where’d you put the vacuum?
    Me: I’m not sure.
    Headline: “Man Won’t Name the Location of Wife’s Household Appliance”

  35. Ed Bouchette is simply expressing the exhaustion Steeler fans have with the relentless reporting of every minute detail of Ben Roethlisberger’s suspension. Every word coming from Tomlin, Goodell or sports writer regarding this issue is debated for days. Enough…he’s serving his suspension and will come back in week five ready to practice. End of story.

  36. Most people forget THIS IS HOW Ben got his start! The starter got hurt and he stepped in. This is what makes stars, they get an opportunity and they make the most of it. If Dixon is on a hot streak you dont take him out. As was BEN when Tommy Maddox was healthy again.

  37. we’re not sure why anyone would say that Tomlin didn’t really mean what he said, absent a fairly compelling explanation as to why Tomlin would say on this subject something other than what he believes.
    ==============
    You sound like a naive little boy. Really? You can’t think of one reason why Tomlin might have said this if he didn’t mean it?
    Maybe you should read your posters more often. We offered several “compelling reasons”, some of which, including mine, actually made sense.
    My reason was that Tomlin thinks it would help motivate Dixon to play better if he felt there was a chance he could hold on to the job. This is why you can never get a coach to say that a player is guaranteed to get his job back when he returns from injury/suspension/whatever.
    It’s in his best interest to keep his back ups motivated by the idea that they could take someone’s job. Plain and simple.

  38. I think its funny when Florio uses this site to harp on some bullshit from another writer.
    WE DONT CARE. Put these posts on SportsJournalismTalk.com

  39. I have it from an excellent source that Cowher will return to the Steelers as the Head Coach after this season.
    The Steelers will trade Tomlin away to the highest bidder
    You heard it here first!

  40. For all the haters out there, I heard that all 6 of the Lombardi Trophies are on display at the Heinz History Center in Pittsburgh to kick off the 2010 season.
    So, Cinci, Baltimore, Cleveland, hell, the rest of the NFL, stop by and see what greatness looks like 6x over!!!!
    http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org

  41. Wow…just Wow…It’s about time Mike that you had a Steeler non-story…LOL….. now I’m sure you will share with us a non-story about Favre and the Vikings before the day is over.
    Go Steelers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. OMG, This has been happening all off season. I bet more than 2/3 of the league have had someones words twisted around. So shake your finger at yourself and shut up. Time will tell if the rapist will start or not.

  43. I don’t see the issue. Everyone knows the national media are whores essentially looking for every comment to turn into a big story.
    Everyone also knows that Big Ben will start and that Tomlin was just acting like a coach for a “small” time interview.
    Nothing to see here…

  44. Let’s see…..$100 million QB, who is clearly one of the Top 5 in the world. Wow….tough decision.
    Morons….Ben is the man and will start the Cleveland game…..even when Dixon and the Steelers clean up Heinz Field with the overrated Ravens.

  45. There you go….It is in the squealer fan handbook…Thou Shalt not say anything negative about the squealers or you face the wrath of squealer nation…..
    You can take all six trophies, their rapist QB, dirtest player in the NFL (Hines Ward, as voted on by his peers), loud mouth, arrognat and igornant fans, writers, and everything else to do with that miserable franchise and dump them into one of the empty factories up there in PA. and the rest of the world will be a happier place.
    We would at least stop hearing about all this sixburgh horse$hit for whatever that is……

  46. Does anyone not understand that IF (and that is the biggest IF you can possibly imagine) Dixon performs at a caliber worthly of early talk of a MVP level season, of course he would keep the starting job beyond the 4 games?
    If the team wins because of the defense or Mendenhal carries the team or Dixon simply doesn’t screw up then of course Little Ben goes back behind center.
    We all know which is more likely of the two. If they are 1-3 or 2-2, we all know what happens.

  47. Beating up on Roethlisberger is getting really old. And I refuse to go there, again.
    But……….
    None of this Pittsburgh Steeler drama would be happening, if that jackass had used less schoolboy immaturity, and more discretion, in attempting to get himself laid.
    If you don’t like what’s happening to your team, Steelers fans, you know exactly where to look.
    Screw this unending soap opera. Kick the damned ball, already…

  48. Tomlin is a joke and will finally dismantle all the work Cower put in to build the dynasty this year. Have fun, unleash hell.
    Who Dey!

  49. I am from Pgh (my problem) Tomlin is the most ignorant and arrogant person when he is having a news confrence. He tries to use pharses that don’t even make sense. You don’t have to look at his face when he is talking just listen how stupid he sounds
    Don’t even go there to the sports reporters. They all kiss butt with the steelers.
    Look how fast they went to loving Ben the raper.
    What a shame. They most likely all have daughters.
    I am a Steeler fan NO MORE. Can’t root for a RAPER

  50. I am so OVER sports writers pissing in each other’s cheerio’s. Thanks to Google News I don’t need a one stop shop for news but I come here out of convenience.
    If it continue’s the way it has, it will no longer be convenient.

  51. What I’m confused about is Florio reported and ran with Tomlin’s comments from the radio show, but Bouchette is talking about (and quoting) what was said at Tomlin’s weekly press conference. Yeah MF is using some creative license just for the sake of discussion, but I don’t really see the problem.
    Someone spell it out for me reallllllly slow please? I am, after all, an illiterate, crybaby, inbred, rapist enabler from Pittsburgh.

  52. @meldog most of us dont condone his behavior. but we root for our team ..win or lose. just the way it is in pittsburgh.

  53. This just in: noone gives a shit. And it’s cute how B’more/Shitsinatti fans try to make this into an issue too… lol. Scared much? One day you’ll understand that you shouldn’t be able to be mentioned in the same breath as the Steelers and their fans because your teams/fans aren’t worth a damn. But then again, both of your fanbases are pretty much the dumbest in the league, so maybe not. Keep counting the Burgh out, last time that happened we won one for the thumb..

  54. There goes the media screwing things up just to satisfy there editors that they can get more hits on a blog and sell more newspaper.
    to me the media is one of the big problems of this country, and the first ammendment protects those rights.

  55. ravenfan820 says:
    September 8, 2010 12:42 PM
    There you go….It is in the squealer fan handbook…Thou Shalt not say anything negative about the squealers or you face the wrath of squealer nation…..
    You can take all six trophies, their rapist QB, dirtest player in the NFL (Hines Ward, as voted on by his peers), loud mouth, arrognat and igornant fans, writers, and everything else to do with that miserable franchise and dump them into one of the empty factories up there in PA. and the rest of the world will be a happier place.
    We would at least stop hearing about all this sixburgh horse$hit for whatever that is……
    ——————
    Awwww whassa matta? Can’t your team make any thunder of it’s own? Trouble living up to the hype? Tired of being crowned the pre-season champs only to be foiled again by those dastardly Steelers (heck even the Bungles are having their way with you LOL )?

  56. Roethlisberger has been a piece of crap. Tomlin doesn’t just want to give him his job back after all of this. Trying to keep him motivated.
    Nothing else to see here.

  57. Coach meant what he said. If Dixon just happens to do very well, you leave him in until his bubble bursts; also, you don’t predict early on the number of games he’ll be needed for. Dixon’s a pro who wants to excel — MT is giving him that chance.

  58. Bdrunk
    A steeler fan with the pft handle of “Bdrunk.” Sounds about right. Let me know when you decide to change your name to “Bemployed” and I’ll happily let you sleep the floor in my office so you can start collecting a check from someone besides the SSA.
    You know the “bungles” beat you twice last year and won the division, right? They “had their way” (bad choice of words for a steelers fan) with the whole division. They have bragging rights. pittsburgh lost to cinci twice, and if memory serves me my Browns kicked your ass last season in October. On national TV.
    Keep living in the past dude, your “dynasty” is in rapid decline.

  59. They’ll still leave Titan Town with a loss if Dan himself takes the field. CJ2.5K. And don’t even bring up a game over a year ago. CJ will RUN WILD!

  60. Quit trying to rationalize Florio…..I’m not even a Steelers fan and I agree with Bouchette. The media took 2 separate “tidbits” of information from 2 responses and attempted to make them into something they were not. I don’t expect you or the national media to apologize as I don’t think your ego will let you, but you know damn well what Bouchette was talking about and referring to and he is 100% correct. It’s no different than asking a player if they are going to retire and he replies, “depends on my health”…..next question, “how’s your health”…answer “right now after last game of the season my health is terrible”….= media translation= so and so claims he will retire because his health won’t allow him to play”………..not all of us fall into the 7 out of 10 category Florio but nice try.

  61. Granted, it’s only four games and not 11 or 12, and it’s a suspension as opposed to an injury, but …
    I have two words for everyone who thinks this may be a cut-and-dried decision, where Ben getting his starting job back after his suspension is over:
    Tom Brady.
    Drew Bledsoe was injured vs. the Jets in Week 2, Brady took over and remianed the starter, even after Bledsoe was healthy enough to return.
    The final game Bledsoe played in as a Patriot was – ironically – in Pittsburgh, during the AFC title game after Brady sprained his ankle.
    Just sayin’ …

  62. Omigosh, I can’t believe the level of stupidity in some of these posts.
    @Connie … Hallelujah!!!! You’re a Steelers fan no more, so we won’t be seeing you on these threads again. Good-bye and good luck.
    @Dallas GFU … We don’t forget how Roethlisberger came to start. He was drafted in the FIRST ROUND to be the future franchise QB. Maddox, a scrub QB, was injured. Roethlisberger came in, went 15-1, and took the team to the AFC Championship in his rookie season.
    Dixon was not a first-round pick drafted to be the future of the franchise. His coaches have REPEATEDLY said that he can’t learn the playbook and they’re having to scale back the offense to accommodate him. He is substituting, not for a scrub, but for a two-time Super Bowl champion with one of the highest QB ratings in the league. The two situations are not comparable.
    @Steel Scorpio … Thank you. That about covers it.
    @David Lefbvre … You’re embarrassing yourself. Bouchette is THE Steelers insider. As FLORIO posted himself, most of Bouchette’s sources are named Rooney and Colbert. He wasn’t scooped by anyone. Sirius did the Tomlin interview; other outlets, such as this one, have taken his comments and run with them.
    @ravenfan820 … No one said anything negative about Pittsburgh. They just made up a story and that gets old.
    @ArtModellsPimp … True, so true. Blame him for his frat-boy nonsense AND the lying twits he hangs out with.

  63. @forthelove …
    Apparently you haven’t listened to ALL Tomlin’s many interviews about Ben. Tomlin and Roethlisberger are very close. Tomlin doesn’t want to undermine Dixon before the first game. Nothing else to see here.
    @Shux …
    Nooooooo, puhleeze don’t mention Stephen while he and Jon are on vacation. It’s tough enough to cope without my daily sanity fix. 😉

  64. Mikey,
    There is what the ESPNs and PFTs of the world report about the Stillers and then there is what Easy Ed (Bouchette) reports.
    Stillers fans clearly know the difference.
    No need to ramble on for paragraph after paragraph, trying to justify/rationalize whatever crap you wrote.
    Oh BTW, this just in, “Big Ben Voted Out.”
    f4p

  65. @js136202, all I can say is….JAKE DELHOMME HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Still enjoying winning your Super Bowl last year when you beat the Steelers, once in a BLUE MOON? I am happy for you!
    GO STEELERS!!

  66. bloodystupidjohnson:
    I am not particularly a fan of John Clayton and I don’t think he is a very good writer or analyst. He’s gotten wherehe is by tirelessly working the phones.
    But the one thing he was not was a “house man.” He famously cost the Steelers a third round pick when he blew the whistle on them for using pads in an offseason program….it’s called “Shouldergate.”
    The other thing about Tomlin, for people who hear him everyday as we do, he’s very glib and that gets him in trouble. The day he uttered that the Steelers would “unleash hell” was the day Russell Crowe (filming a movie in Pittsburgh) stopped by practice. Crowe famously said “unleash hell” in “Gladiator,” a film Tomlin admired.

  67. Deb Show me how close Ben and Tomlin are.
    Are you crazy Just like Ben and Cower were.
    You are a joke. Where do you live in a tree.
    I live in Pgh where the rest of the people who don’t like the raper live. You think everyone loves Ben you are so wrong

  68. Holeinone09
    Yes, I am enjoying the once in a blue moon that we beat the steelers, thank you for the kind words. I use the game footage as a masturbatory tool.

  69. @ravenfan820
    Why so bitter? Oh, you must live in Baltimore.
    @Connie
    Bye bye. Don’t let the door hit you.

  70. Hey js136202, LOL. Our division rivalries are great. Lot of respect for the teams in our division, notwithstanding some friendly trash talk. Good luck this season.

  71. I’m confused, is the media allowed to attack the media? Looks like media-attacking rules need to be sorted out.
    Florio, you should respond: “I’m not national, I’m galactic! My news can be received anywhere online!”
    Ah….more fodder for the yellow-pressed, chatter-boxes.
    REAL FOOTBALL & REAL FOOTBALL NEWS TOMORROW PEOPLE!!!

  72. connie, why can’t you spell Cowher’s name correctly, supposedly being from Pittsburgh and all, and supposedly at least used to be a Steeler supporter? Now, we all know you are completely ignorant. And you are either a liar or you are dumb, or both. I vote both. Please start supporting another team, thanks.
    GO STEELERS!!

  73. Good job putting quotes around “national media” repeatedly, Florio. Still trying to separate yourself from corporate mainstream media garbage, even as you go outta your way to lump yourself in with ESPN and USA Today and are linked through MSNBC? Good job, pal.
    Also, if Bouchette’s comments bother you that much, then don’t go to the Post-Gazette website and don’t read his commentary. Problem solved.

  74. Connie, since you’re no longer a Steelers fan, why does it matter?
    I don’t think everyone loves Ben, and don’t care. I follow my own conscience no matter what anyone else says or does. I’m a Steelers fan and will support my team regardless of the individual players. Ben is a top QB so I’m not going to pretend Dixon has a chance to replace him just because some people have that fantasy. Ben has behaved like a frat-boy jackass, but the evidence shows he’s been falsely accused of rape and I’ll argue the evidence objectively no matter what I think of him personally.
    My comment about his relationship with Tomlin was based on many interviews with both Tomlin and Ben. I don’t have time to look up all of them, but here are a couple of quotes:
    ***
    From an interview last summer about why Tomlin didn’t consider picking up Michael Vick:
    “Given some of the things that my quarterback was going through, I didn’t think it was the appropriate time to add another quarterback to the mix,” Tomlin said. “He’s going through somewhat of a trying time with the civil allegation, a case against him. I didn’t want to do anything that seemed less than supportive of Ben.”
    From a USA Today article this March:
    Tomlin said he’s in constant contact with
    Roethlisberger … The Steelers coach said Roethlisberger first informed him of the allegations and investigation in the early hours of March 5. “The sun wasn’t up,” the coach said of the call. “But it wasn’t technically the middle of the night.”
    Asked to describe Roethlisberger as a person,
    Tomlin said, “He’s a ridiculous competitor, a good
    guy; a guy who wants to win; a guy that doesn’t
    mind toting the burden that comes with being the quarterback of our football team. Really, what you see is what you get from my perspective.”
    The Steelers coach said Roethlisberger is in
    Pittsburgh and the two speak constantly about
    football and about “personal life.”
    ***
    You don’t call your coach before the sun rises when you’re in trouble and talk every day about personal issues if you’re not close. And Tomlin’s job description does not include hand-holding. You don’t spend your days counseling a guy you think is a rapist and calling him a good guy. It’s connect-the-dots 101, Connie, not rocket science. They have a solid relationship.

  75. Almost 100 post and this subject. Florio your doing something right. lol And you guys wonder why he talks so much about the Steelers.

  76. Mr. Florio:
    Dear sir, please refrain from this type of activity. It has been widely pointed out that Roethlisberger is one of the more elite QB’s in the league and has been for a long time now, whether you despise him or love him. Do not let your hatred or your love remove your common sense.
    1. Ben will start when he comes back. He is superb and you know it.
    2. We told you Pat White was no NFL QB, but you continued to pimp him. He has been cut after 1 failed season, and nobody is interested in him as a QB.
    3. We know there are concussions in football and sometimes there is a little contact in the spring, ad nauseum. Please enough with it already. It is football, nobody give a sh*t (thanks Rex).
    4. We know it killed you that Tebow was drafted in the first round after you criticized him incessantly before the draft. We know he has a slow delivery. Snore. Leave the kid alone, he is a nice guy.
    5. Please leave out the race-baiting when possible. Enough Maroon-heads continue the garbage and we don’t need you to egg them on. It is small.
    6. You have fallen way off on the Seinfeld references. Don’t forgot who brought you to the dance.
    Less speculation, more facts, less pot-stirring, more comedy. Get back to your roots, be funny, be irreverent. You are better at that than real football analytics any way.

  77. @JimmySmith …
    She didn’t say no. That woman wouldn’t have said no to ANYTHING.
    At least Ben was with adults, not swimming through the legs of children on prom night like your Green Bay Hall of Fame homeboy. How the mighty Pack has fallen. No wonder Brett couldn’t wait to get out of there.

  78. @JimmySmith …
    She didn’t say no. That woman wouldn’t have said no to ANYTHING.
    At least Ben was with adults, not swimming through the legs of children on prom night like your Green Bay Hall of Fame homeboy. How the mighty Pack has fallen. No wonder Brett couldn’t wait to get out of there.

  79. Holeinone09
    Likewise, always enjoy some smack talk. I’m looking VERY forward to ben’s first game back.
    Some of my best friends are steelers fans. That’s why now I make sure to ask everyone I’m introduced to what their favorite NFL team is right off the bat so I know whether or not to hate them before I get involved.

  80. ravenfan820 says: September 8, 2010 12:42 PM
    You can take all six trophies, their rapist QB, dirtest player in the NFL (Hines Ward, as voted on by his peers), loud mouth, arrognat and igornant fans, writers, and everything else to do with that miserable franchise and dump them into one of the empty factories up there in PA. and the rest of the world will be a happier place.
    *********************************************
    Hmm. I don’t live in PA, but based on travel experiences, I’d take empty factories over crackheads and toothless hookers, assuming you’re from Baltimore. Also, what do “arrognat” and “igornant” mean? Baltimore County schools cookin up some great education for you guys down there, aren’t they?
    As for the Ravens, you can take all one trophy (just sounds impressive reading it, doesn’t it?), their murderer linebacker and wide receiver (who needs peer views?), and everything else to do with their (stolen) miserable franchise and dump them in the Chesapeake. Would it make the world a better place? Probably not, given that no one outside the Baltimore metro area would even realize that the team was gone. It would still be worth the effort, though.

  81. td386steel says:
    September 8, 2010 3:37 PM
    Almost 100 post and this subject. Florio your doing something right.
    ————————————————-
    Ladies and germs, the post above is typical of this simple creature we call “the Steelers fan”.
    Let’s dissect it, shall we? The first sentence:
    “Almost 100 post and this subject.”
    I believe what the low brow creature is trying to communicate is something more along the lines of “Almost 100 posts on this subject.” Well… close enough. Poor beast doesn’t understand the concepts of plurailty and the difference in the meanings of the words “and” and “on”, but let’s praise him for trying.
    Next, we have “Florio your doing something right.” We can only assume, having a limited grasp of the small mind of the creature, that this crudely translates to “Florio, you’re doing something right.” While it is fascinating and to his credit that he spelled “something” correctly, we must remember his walnut sized brain cannot discern proper usage between “your” and “you’re”. Pity the creature.
    One thing is certain- the slow, melonheaded thing does recognize that there have been 100 or more posts on this topic. Now if only he can grasp that about 90 of those are from people who think his team blows.
    (Cue Deb and her extremely long-winded post about how td386steel is not guilty of English-language-rape, but is guilty of bad decisions.)

  82. She said, “I don’t ‘think’ we should be doing this” and then kept doing it. She also wore a lapel that stated, “Down to F*ck”. I think she should be suspended also for 6 games by the mayor of Millegeville. Possibly reduced to 4 if she stays out of bars and dresses humbly. She can maybe ask later that it go down to 3. Did she get charged for underage drinking? Just wondering.

  83. @JimmySmith …
    Based on her behavior that night, she wouldn’t have said no to anything. He said no when she and her friends tried to get him to come back to their place for a party and that’s when the trouble first started. Ben behaved like a jerk, but lumped that woman and Andrea McNulty in with real victims is the most shameful part of this whole travesty.
    At least Ben was with adults, not swimming in a hot tub with children on prom night like your Mark Chmura. How the mighty Pack has fallen. No wonder Brett couldn’t wait to get out of there.

  84. Deb
    97.3% of all PFT supporters are currently asking “Who the f*ck is Mark Chmura.”
    Whenever you have to say “at least he doesn’t behave as badly as (blank),” thats a good sign that you’re having to make excuses for someone’s poor behavior. Don’t be a big ben apologist.
    I don’t know what the behavior of Mark Chmura over a decade ago has to do with big ben being a sexual deviant.

  85. all i have to say is that if u keep wagging a finger in someone’s face they will either bite it off or twist it in a way God didnt intend it to go.

  86. I posted this two hours ago, long before Superb Owl posted his comment. If js136202 gets to call me out for no reason, I should get to reply.
    @js136202 …
    My comment wasn’t directed to you or to the public at large. It was directed SPECIFICALLY to the idiotic rabid PACKERS fan who shows up on ALL Steelers threads to make MORONIC unsubstantiated comments about the Steelers quarterback. That is the ONLY reason I brought up Mark Chmura–because I was tired of the IDIOT PACKERS TROLL.
    And since the post was SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED to JIMMYSMITH, perhaps you could try minding your own business. It is tiresome enough answering idiots who whine about every generic post I make without having to answer those whining about posts I made that clearly did not concern them.
    I am not a Ben apologist. Perhaps if you were literate enough to grasp my posts to the general population, you would see that I have repeatedly called out our quarterback for his infantile, frat-boy behavior. But since the woman who sued him in Nevada a year after a one-night stand texted her friends that she couldn’t wait to see him again, I fail to understand how that makes him a sexual deviant. And since the woman who filed a false rape claim in Georgia had a medical examination that showed she could not possibly have had sex with Roethlisberger, again, I fail to see how her false complaint makes him a sexual deviant.
    As someone who has spent years dealing with rape victims and assault issues, I do not apologize for sexual predators NOR do I tolerate women who LIE about rape. I certainly have no reason to apologize for someone who was falsely accused.
    Instead of trolling Steelers threads to attack people who are not speaking to you about something you know nothing about, I’d suggest you either read the evidence in this case or stop commenting on something that is beyond your knowledge and understanding.

  87. I posted this two hours ago, long before Superb Owl posted his comment. If js136202 gets to call me out for no reason, I should get to reply.
    @js136202 …
    My comment wasn’t directed to you or to the public at large. It was directed SPECIFICALLY to the idiotic rabid PACKERS fan who shows up on ALL Steelers threads to make MORONIC unsubstantiated comments about the Steelers quarterback. That is the ONLY reason I brought up Mark Chmura–because I was tired of the IDIOT PACKERS TROLL.
    And since the post was SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED to JIMMYSMITH, perhaps you could try minding your own business. It is tiresome enough answering idiots who whine about every generic post I make without having to answer those whining about posts I made that clearly did not concern them.
    I am not a Ben apologist. Perhaps if you were literate enough to grasp my posts to the general population, you would see that I have repeatedly called out our quarterback for his infantile, frat-boy behavior. But since the woman who sued him in Nevada a year after a one-night stand texted her friends that she couldn’t wait to see him again, I fail to understand how that makes him a sexual deviant. And since the woman who filed a false rape claim in Georgia had a medical examination that showed she could not possibly have had sex with Roethlisberger, again, I fail to see how her false complaint makes him a sexual deviant.
    As someone who has spent years dealing with rape victims and assault issues, I do not apologize for sexual predators NOR do I tolerate women who LIE about rape. I certainly have no reason to apologize for someone who was falsely accused.
    Instead of trolling Steelers threads to attack people who are not speaking to you about something you know nothing about, I’d suggest you either read the evidence in this case or stop commenting on something that is beyond your knowledge and understanding.

  88. @js136202 …
    My comment wasn’t directed to you or to the public at large. It was directed SPECIFICALLY to the idiotic rabid PACKERS fan who shows up on ALL Steelers threads to make MORONIC unsubstantiated comments about the Steelers quarterback. That is the ONLY reason I brought up Mark Chmura–because I was tired of the IDIOT PACKERS TROLL.
    And since the post was SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED to JIMMYSMITH, perhaps you could try minding your own business. It is tiresome enough answering idiots who whine about every generic post I make without having to answer those whining about posts I made that clearly did not concern them.
    I am not a Ben apologist. Perhaps if you were literate enough to grasp my posts to the general population, you would see that I have repeatedly called out our quarterback for his infantile, frat-boy behavior. But since the woman who sued him in Nevada a year after a one-night stand texted her friends that she couldn’t wait to see him again, I fail to understand how that makes him a sexual deviant. And since the woman who filed a false rape claim in Georgia had a medical examination that showed she could not possibly have had sex with Roethlisberger, again, I fail to see how her false complaint makes him a sexual deviant.
    As someone who has spent years dealing with rape victims and assault issues, I do not apologize for sexual predators NOR do I tolerate women who LIE about rape. I certainly have no reason to apologize for someone who was falsely accused.
    Instead of trolling Steelers threads to attack people who are not speaking to you about something you know nothing about, I’d suggest you either read the evidence in this case or stop commenting on something that is beyond your knowledge and understanding.

  89. Deb- Way too time on your hands….. Seriously this is an internet thread, not the front cover of the news. What I mean is, is that this isn’t the place to make a difference.
    What have you proved other than the fact that you are obsessed with defending the steelers? You can justify it any which way you like but this site has become more than a hobby for you.
    Help yourself before you help others. Do us all a favor and take a vacation. Its not worth all the trouble- cause no doubt, you take what people say way to personally.

  90. Bdrunk says: September 8, 2010 1:06 PM
    I am, after all, an illiterate, crybaby, inbred, rapist enabler from Pittsburgh.
    ______________________________________
    Admitting your problem is the first step towards recovery. Kudos to you!!

  91. js136202 says:
    September 8, 2010 1:40 PM
    Bdrunk
    “A steeler fan with the pft handle of “Bdrunk.” Sounds about right. Let me know when you decide to change your name to “Bemployed” and I’ll happily let you sleep the floor in my office so you can start collecting a check from someone besides the SSA. ”
    ——————–
    First insult…my choice of name! Witty. js136202 must be your inmate number in the Ohio department of corrections (I’m guessing you started a fire in your single-wide cooking crystal meth using the shake n’ bake method. Figures a jobless Leavelander is too broke to buy a stove).
    “You know the “bungles” beat you twice last year and won the division, right? They “had their way” (bad choice of words for a steelers fan) with the whole division. They have bragging rights. pittsburgh lost to cinci twice, and if memory serves me my Browns kicked your ass last season in October. On national TV. ”
    ——————-
    Yep, I’m well aware of the bungles’ success in the AFC North last year. As well as their meltdown. And “good game” brownies for a remarkable performance in that 13-6 “ass-kicking”.
    Keep living in the past dude, your “dynasty” is in rapid decline.
    —————————-
    The Dynasty ended in 1980. The Steelers’ ownership of Ravens marches onward however.
    Dude.

  92. @RAVNATION …
    Had a rotten work day Wednesday, RAV. Came here to let off steam and found a little pissant Brown butting his ugly little nose and ignorant pea brain where it didn’t belong (they’re bitter and have nothing else to do). PFT’s been getting on my last nerve playing hide the posts for weeks. So instead of taking out my frustrations on my clients … I took them out here where I’m anonymous and have nothing to lose. Seems pretty rational to me.
    Saving the world IS my hobby. I have a wicked-hot cape and boots, and my super power is invisibility. That way people never know where I’m going to strike. I post on many more issues on both PFT and CFT than Roethlisberger.
    As for obsession … baby, I’m not the one trolling another team’s threads making daily comments about their QB 😉

  93. Deb says: September 9, 2010 11:22 AM
    @RAVNATION …
    Had a rotten work day Wednesday, RAV. Came here to let off steam and found a little pissant Brown butting his ugly little nose and ignorant pea brain where it didn’t belong (they’re bitter and have nothing else to do). PFT’s been getting on my last nerve playing hide the posts for weeks. So instead of taking out my frustrations on my clients … I took them out here where I’m anonymous and have nothing to lose.
    ____________________________________
    Maybe you should look into getting some anger management counseling?

  94. Is Eddie Douchette getting his panties in a wad? He really has 2 employers, the Post Gazzete & the Stillers. He is like their mouthpiece. Get over yourself Douchette, he said what he said, tell him to shut up next time!!

  95. RAVNATION says:
    September 8, 2010 10:05 PM
    “Deb- Way too time on your hands….. Seriously this is an internet thread, not the front cover of the news. What I mean is, is that this isn’t the place to make a difference.
    What have you proved other than the fact that you are obsessed with defending the steelers? You can justify it any which way you like but this site has become more than a hobby for you.
    Help yourself before you help others. Do us all a favor and take a vacation. Its not worth all the trouble- cause no doubt, you take what people say way to personally. ”
    ————————
    Ahhh the final chapter in the Troll’s Guide to the Internets…Suggest the target gets help for their obsession.

  96. Why, badthing? I’m not the one still raging over a 21-10 loss five years later.
    I can see why you’re obsessing over our threads again. Looks to be another sad year for Seahawks fans. People have been dropping like flies out there. Do you even have a full compliment of coaches?

  97. badthing says:
    September 9, 2010 1:07 AM
    Bdrunk says: September 8, 2010 1:06 PM
    I am, after all, an illiterate, crybaby, inbred, rapist enabler from Pittsburgh.
    _________________
    “Admitting your problem is the first step towards recovery. Kudos to you!!”
    —————-
    ZzzzzzING! Way to knock that softball out of the park Barry Bong-hit. Worst. Troll. Ever.

  98. Deb says: September 9, 2010 12:10 PM
    Why, badthing? I’m not the one still raging over a 21-10 loss five years later.
    ______________________________________
    Deb,
    It seems you are “raging” about almost everything these days….. Deep breath….

  99. Bdrunk says: September 9, 2010 12:15 PM
    badthing says:
    September 9, 2010 1:07 AM
    Bdrunk says: September 8, 2010 1:06 PM
    I am, after all, an illiterate, crybaby, inbred, rapist enabler from Pittsburgh.
    _________________
    “Admitting your problem is the first step towards recovery. Kudos to you!!”
    —————-
    ZzzzzzING! Way to knock that softball out of the park Barry Bong-hit. Worst. Troll. Ever.
    ____________________________________
    This is coming from a guy named “Bdrunk” Nice…

  100. @Bdrunk …
    He is a PITIFUL troll. Only comes to Steeler threads because Seattle can’t even manage a division rivalry these days. Says the same things to the same people months on end because his creativity level is a -12. Nearly wet his pants when I pointed out he’s a Seahawks fan (How do you know that??). Wonder why he tried to keep it such a big secret LOL So so sad when your own team gives you NOTHING to post about. ROFL

  101. @Bdrunk …
    He is a PITIFUL troll. Only comes to Steeler threads because Seattle can’t even manage a division rivalry these days. Says the same things to the same people months on end because his creativity level is a -12. Nearly wet his pants when I pointed out he’s a Seahawks fan (How do you know that??). Wonder why he tried to keep it such a big secret LOL So so sad when your own team gives you NOTHING to post about. ROFL

  102. Deb, you can make up whatever excuses you want to justify people disliking Ben. But as I said before, some people hold the players on the teams they route for to a higher moral standard than you obviously do Ben. That is your choice.
    Also, you sure seem to have a lot of anger inside of you. You really should lighten up, life is too short.

  103. Sorry, jackass–been there, done that. Always go to the bottom of threads & scroll back. Since you popped in, only bother to scroll back one line. No point reading more. Know your simple-minded story by heart. “Stand by your man” yada yada. You haven’t learned any new tunes.
    You fancy you’re playing Hannibal to my Clarice. You’re twisted enough for the role, but lack the cannibal’s scintillating intellect or some of the other fans’ football savvy. Flattered you find me so fascinating and worthy of your attention but it’s not mutual. I’ve just been killing time. Now I’m done.

  104. Deb, Hannibal to my Clarice??? I am just posting about football, not sure what you mean by that. My post was pretty clear, you just don’t want to admit it is the truth. Up until a couple of days ago I hadn’t posted for a while, but after seeing page after page of your posts defending Ben, degrading the women involved, and attacking anyone that dared have a different opinion of him than you, I just thought I would state the obvious. You hold the Steeler players to a lower moral standard than do some other people such as myself. I am not saying it is necessarily right or wrong, I am just stating the obvious.
    Have a nice day.

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