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While Clay Matthews shines, A.J. Hawk is nowhere to be found

Packers linebacker Clay Matthews shook off his inactive preseason like he shook off Eagles blockers Sunday, leading the Green Bay defense during a superlative defense.

Matthews finished with two sacks, a forced fumble, and seven tackles, including the game-clinching stuff of Michael Vick. 

“There’s a lot of rust I need to shake off. It was a good way to start the season, let’s just leave it at that,” Mathews said after the game.

While the team’s 2009 first-round pick built off his fabulous rookie season, the No. 5 overall pick didn’t play a single snap on defense.  A.J. Hawk only plays in Green Bay’s base defense.  Since the Packers played in their nickel or dime packages all day, Hawk only played on special teams.

Hawk’s lack of a role on passing downs is nothing new.  But it still says something when a guy making $4.6 million doesn’t play a snap on defense all day.

It also says we should probably change our definition of what’s a “base defense” in today’s NFL.

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  1. Majik Bullet says: Sep 13, 2010 11:31 AM

    So, do Packer fans still consider this guy a good pick, and not a bust? You’ve defended this guy to no end, and defended TT for picking him, saying how “solid” Hawk is. What say you now?

  2. ShimSham says: Sep 13, 2010 11:36 AM

    Hawk is great against the run, and he’s not so bad against the pass. ILB Brandon Chillar is the exact opposite, that’s why he’s used in the sub-defenses over Hawk. When you play a team that passes the ball almost all the time, Chillar is obviously going to play over Hawk.

  3. Dave M says: Sep 13, 2010 11:39 AM

    Matthews has become the kind of LB that we thought we were supposed to be getting with Hawk.
    Can somebody tell me why the majority of Ohio State LBs come to the NFL and fall on their face? In the past 1 years, it seems like almost every “can’t miss” OSU linebacker has never come close to reaching their potential.
    If I was an NFL GM, I’d follow two rules to draft time:
    Rule 1: Never use a first round pick on a linebacker from Ohio State.
    Rule 2: Never draft a Heisman Trophy winner and expect him to become a superstar.

  4. shaggytoodle says: Sep 13, 2010 11:39 AM

    It depends what you mean by “solid.”
    Solid as in franchise defender, no not close.
    Solid as in, he has been available to play in every game since he has been drafted. Yes.

  5. ShimSham says: Sep 13, 2010 11:40 AM

    Majik Bullet, tell me what draft bust plays well in almost every defensive snap for 3 years, then continues to play well in year four even if he only plays in about half the defensive snaps. If that’s a bust then a lot of defensive starters out there are busts.

  6. Calistin says: Sep 13, 2010 11:40 AM

    AJ Hawk doesn’t play nickel. The Packers played nickel or dime the entire game.
    AJ Hawk plays in the base. The Packers did not play the base.
    AJ Hawk had a beastly pre-season and was noted by several coaches and members of the media as being a stand out in training camp.
    Nothing to see here. Hawk is fine. Just a post looking to feed the Viking trolls.

  7. Jeremy says: Sep 13, 2010 11:40 AM

    Bust is too strong of a word because he’s not terrible. But obviously a huge disappointment relative to where he was drafted.
    Next week against the Bills, they figure to play more base, so we’ll see plenty of Hawk then.
    FWIW, I believe he was drafted 5th overall.

  8. launch says: Sep 13, 2010 11:41 AM

    “While the team’s 2009 first-round pick built off his fabulous rookie season, the No. 4 overall pick didn’t play a single snap on defense.”
    Except that he was drafted in the 2nd you are right on.

  9. jamesz23 says: Sep 13, 2010 11:42 AM

    BJ Raji & Clay Matthews both looked outstanding yesterday – that is looking like a really good 1st round for TT.

  10. Tiger Woods says: Sep 13, 2010 11:42 AM

    That’s the difference between good people and “look at me”, chest-thumping, gold-wearing, thugs.
    Hawk does what his coach tells him his job is.
    He doesn’t whine, complain, cry to the media. He played special teams yesterday and the Packers special teams was surprisingly good vs Philly.
    Hawk will be a force when they play the Vikings and have to make stopping Adrian Peterson goal #1 now with no Sidney Rice to worry about. He’ll help shut down Clinton Portis when Washington is the opponent. He’ll help bottle up Ronnie Brown and Rickey Williams when Chad Henne comes to town.
    He’ll be all over Shonn Greene since Mark Sanchez is no threat.

  11. devilalum says: Sep 13, 2010 11:42 AM

    Just another example of a clean player vs one who uses PED’s. At least Hawk still has his dignity.

  12. Love_Boat_Scandal says: Sep 13, 2010 11:43 AM

    He’s a solid payer, definitely not a bust. And he was the no. 5 pick in the draft, not no. 4.

  13. Charles Wood says: Sep 13, 2010 11:45 AM

    Hawk is solid. He makes over 100 tackles every season. He was the most NFL ready player in the draft that season and he didn’t disappoint- leading the team in tackles as a rookie. He’ll be on the field this year and he’ll be a difference maker when he is.

  14. jamesz23 says: Sep 13, 2010 11:45 AM

    AJ Hawk is a free agent after the season. I already know what is going to happen the Vikings will sign him and people like Majik will talk about how good he is and what a great signing it was and how they really loved him all along. Oh wait just had deja vu…..

  15. BrentFavre says: Sep 13, 2010 11:45 AM

    Hawk was the #5 overall pick.
    The reason he didn’t play was because he Chillar takes his place in the nickel defense the Packers run and the Packers uses that package all day. Hawk plays in the base which you will see much more of next week vs a running team.

  16. darth_vincent says: Sep 13, 2010 11:48 AM

    “they” also said the Packers Defense didn’t run one play in the base alignment.
    Hawk is an average starting LB in the NFL… if you want to get bent out of shape over the fact he was taken #5 overall, fine, get bent out of shape.

  17. mudduckswithnoringsarejealous says: Sep 13, 2010 11:52 AM

    hawk was the 5th pick in the draft you nimwit. he was not a second round pick either launch. i know the packers did not draft woodson, but he is a heisman trophy winner. same with desmond howard….. though howard wasn’t a superstar by any means at the nfl level, he was the wild card that basically meant victory for the packers in super bowl 31. if anything, you should advise the packers to pick up more heisman trophy winners after they get accustomed to the nfl level of playing

  18. Charles Wood says: Sep 13, 2010 11:53 AM

    Hawk was drafted 5th overall. Seems to me that if you’re gonna write about someone using a negative spin- you should at least have your facts straight. Terrible reporting and a non story.

  19. downwithdansnyder says: Sep 13, 2010 11:53 AM

    “It also says we should probably change our definition of what’s a “base defense” in today’s NFL.”
    I think that would be jumping the gun a little bit.

  20. jamesz23 says: Sep 13, 2010 11:54 AM

    Devilalum does Favre still have his dignity if we’re talking PED’s?
    Brett Favre = Roger Clemens in so many ways.

  21. mr coconut says: Sep 13, 2010 11:56 AM

    Hawk doesn’t look like the same athlete he was at OSU. Although he didn’t look like the number 5 pick then, either. The top 10 of that draft was bad.

  22. Calistin says: Sep 13, 2010 11:57 AM

    And undrafted FA Frank Zombo got a sack!
    OMG SCHISM!

  23. Ruvell100 says: Sep 13, 2010 11:58 AM

    Hawk is a good run stopper and poor against the pass. I think it says alot about the character of this football team when you can sit a team leader and former top 5 pick against a pass happy offense, all for the betterment of the team.
    Did it work? Philly had 7 passing yards in the first half. 7.

  24. steeltiger34 says: Sep 13, 2010 11:58 AM

    Any way that you slice it, he has not measured up to a first round pick, whether it be pick 4 or 5! The guy is a huge disappointment.

  25. MEDTXPACK says: Sep 13, 2010 12:00 PM

    @ devilalum:
    youre an idiot. jsut cause hes from USC. he aint like the others. hes a beast because he works harder than anyone. its family tradition for him.
    making stupid comments on the internet must be yours….

  26. Hauschild says: Sep 13, 2010 12:01 PM

    If a player selected #5 overall no longer even plays, before finishing out his rookie contract, how can that NOT be considered a bust?
    If a player can play, coaches find ways to get them on the field any way possible. 5 million is way too much money to spend on a special teamer.
    But, that 2006 draft wasn’t very productive. I’m just surprised that with Teddy’s lust over defensive tackles, that he didn’t take Haloti Ngata, but decides to shoot the moon on Harrell and Raji – definitely worthy of discussion on why.
    The only other decent players that draft: Chad Greenway, Cromartie, DeAngelo Williams, Nick Mangold, Demeco Ryans in 1st & early 2nd.

  27. SpartaChris says: Sep 13, 2010 12:01 PM

    Calistin says:
    September 13, 2010 11:40 AM
    AJ Hawk doesn’t play nickel. The Packers played nickel or dime the entire game.
    AJ Hawk plays in the base. The Packers did not play the base.
    AJ Hawk had a beastly pre-season and was noted by several coaches and members of the media as being a stand out in training camp.
    Nothing to see here. Hawk is fine. Just a post looking to feed the Viking trolls.
    ==================================
    ^^^^^^This

  28. Pack_Attack says: Sep 13, 2010 12:05 PM

    Another reason we need a rookie salary cap-NOW

  29. JoeSchmoe says: Sep 13, 2010 12:06 PM

    When does Greggggg Rosenthal go on the hotseat for making far too many stretch threads? Gregggg “Out on a limb” Rosenthallllll. Yeah, that sounds about right.

  30. zod says: Sep 13, 2010 12:06 PM

    1. He was the fifth pick and drafted for a 4-3 defense.
    2. Your grammar is atrocious.
    3. It’s no secret that this is Hawk’s last year in GB.

  31. Pervy H. says: Sep 13, 2010 12:07 PM

    Gay “Hair” Matthews has some serious signs of steroid abuse going on…bloated face and arms,bugged out demeanor. Enjoy his production until the juice police nab him…

  32. Kerg01 says: Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM

    Except that he was drafted in the 2nd you are right on.
    _______________________________
    Matthews was drafted in the 1st round. However, he was the 2nd of 2 1st rounders

  33. darth_vincent says: Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM

    Packers could have played him on defense somewhere sometime yesterday… and chose not to. I now blame his marriage for mellowing him.

  34. nutnbutnet says: Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM

    Majik Bullet says:
    September 13, 2010 11:31 AM
    So, do Packer fans still consider this guy a good pick, and not a bust? You’ve defended this guy to no end, and defended TT for picking him, saying how “solid” Hawk is. What say you now?
    ———————-
    Dude, if you want I’ll lend you a copy of “Football for Dummies”.

  35. MACK DADDY says: Sep 13, 2010 12:09 PM

    Finally a Packer story, so all the cryking honks can whine about the Packers slapping the Eagles around at their place. Did anyone ask Shiancoe what he thinks about the Pack now. I thought he said the Eagles defense was so good….Rodgers hung 27 one em without even trying. Just think, in a couple more weeks the Viking offense will have 27 total points.

  36. JimmySmith says: Sep 13, 2010 12:12 PM

    This will be Hawk’s last year as a Packer. No doubt the Vikings are interested, they sign ex Packers who can no longer contribute in GB hoping to catch some of that old magic. Good strategy seeing how they haven’t won any Superbowls in like 50 years.

  37. Strick says: Sep 13, 2010 12:12 PM

    Calistin and Tiger Woods: great posts. +1
    launch: Packers traded back into the 1st round to get Matthews…
    Rosenthal’s article implies that Hawk has been benched for inferior play. Not true. Hawk will be on the field next week against Buffalo, and we’ll see what kind of article Rosenthal spins after that.
    For the record: yes, I am disappointed that Hawk hasn’t torn the league a new one. I’m disappointed when any packer draftee fails to do that.

  38. BOYCOTTFOOTBALLcom says: Sep 13, 2010 12:12 PM

    its weird when you read about how good a guy is doing and playing and then you see
    he’s not even starting.
    had no idea hawk sucked so bad

  39. Bob Nelson says: Sep 13, 2010 12:14 PM

    This story is a testament to the overflowing abundance of talent on the Green Bay Packers roster.
    With so many specialized packages on defense tailored for each circumstance the Packers have the luxury of playing specialists instead of a good well all around player like AJ Hawk.
    In an uncapped league the high revenue teams like the Green Bay Packers are going to prosper and the low revenue teams are going to decline.

  40. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Sep 13, 2010 12:14 PM

    actually didn’t Matthews fail a drug test along with Cushing prior to the combine

  41. va4favre says: Sep 13, 2010 12:15 PM

    AJ is an average player but he was selected number five. What about the Justin Harrell pick?

  42. Any Given Workday says: Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM

    Couldn’t agree more with the last comment regarding “Base Defenses.” When I play madden I’m using a nickel or dime defense 70% of the time and think that’s pretty indicative of what we are seeing is affective in the NFL.
    If only more coaches played Madden — Bet we’d see a lot better clock management (Andy Reid, Jim Schwartz)

  43. GBfanForever says: Sep 13, 2010 12:20 PM

    Calistin explained this very simply. He doesn’t play in the nickel. Hawk didn’t live up to his high 1st round status because he is not an every down LB and doesn’t make a lot of game changing plays. Aside from that he’s never missed a game and has recorded about 100 tackles every year. He is essentially the same player as chad greenway who got picked about 12 picks later in the same draft but for some reason dodges the same scrutiny and there is never the “why are Iowa lb’s always busts in the nfl” questions. Hawks got more career stats but greenway missed a season to injury, something hawk has avoided.

  44. adellgfo says: Sep 13, 2010 12:21 PM

    launch says: Except that he was drafted in the 2nd you are right on.
    Who are you talking about. Both of the linebackers were picked in the first. The Packers traded up to get him in the first round last year along with Raji.

  45. TwinCitiesTT says: Sep 13, 2010 12:24 PM

    The imagination mover (hawk) was overrated, just like this years Packers.. So much hype for a soft team. They wont stay healthy. You better protect that qb, cause your backup is garbage.. The Packers are 1 sack away from disaster.. So watch how much smack your talking on here. It will come back to bite you in the ass…

  46. j4a1 says: Sep 13, 2010 12:27 PM

    I guess in today’s internet world the two choices are “blue chipper” and “bust”. Very little grey on the internet.
    I think it’s fair to say that Hawk is not who we thought he was. (Thanks Denny). He has been a steady performer, but not the standout, Ray Lewis, difference maker we anticipated.
    I know shades of grey don’t feed the anger machine and it is a bit complicated for some to understand, but the facts are the facts.

  47. Pervy H. says: Sep 13, 2010 12:34 PM

    TwinCitiesTT says:
    September 13, 2010 12:24 PM
    The imagination mover (hawk) was overrated, just like this years Packers.. So much hype for a soft team. They wont stay healthy. You better protect that qb, cause your backup is garbage.. The Packers are 1 sack away from disaster.. So watch how much smack your talking on here. It will come back to bite you in the ass…
    ===================================
    Well said TCTT……

  48. MrHumble says: Sep 13, 2010 12:35 PM

    Matthews is a very good LB, just wish he would quit worrying about his “Fabio” look….the dude reminds me of a woman who couldn’t pass up a chance to look in a mirror if her/his life depended on it. His “golden locks” do him no justice…..I wonder if “Clay and AJ” use the same hair stylist….except AJ gets a “lil’ sumpin sumpin put into his basketball size head”…..AJ was overrated comin outta Ohio. For all the good picks a GM makes, they make 2-3 bad ones.

  49. Calistin says: Sep 13, 2010 12:38 PM

    @ TwinCitiesTT
    “So watch how much smack your talking on here. It will come back to bite you in the ass…:
    Said the pot to the kettle.

  50. Nate_O says: Sep 13, 2010 12:41 PM

    TwinCitiesTT
    Let’s see here. The Pack are 1-0 and your Queens are 0-1. The Pack won on the road in Philly which is not easy to do. You are a genius! Keep up the good comments, I enjoy a good laugh.
    Oh and your backup QB is an absolute stud. Smart man you are.

  51. Brad says: Sep 13, 2010 12:41 PM

    I thought it was pretty obvious back in college that AJ Hawk and Bobby Carpenter were juicing. Each of them underwent an astounding physical transformation in college; Hawk in particular to a degree that just wasn’t natural. Plus, OSU has a history of that sort of thing — Katzenmoyer, Boston, speed coach and renowned juicer Butch Reynolds, among others.
    Guess it’s harder to get away with in the pros…

  52. Wonderlicker says: Sep 13, 2010 12:41 PM

    “Tiger Woods says: September 13, 2010 11:42 AM
    That’s the difference between good people and “look at me”, chest-thumping, gold-wearing, thugs.”
    It never takes long for the racism to come out.

  53. RC IV says: Sep 13, 2010 12:43 PM

    Ruvell100 says:
    September 13, 2010 11:58 AM
    Hawk is a good run stopper and poor against the pass. I think it says alot about the character of this football team when you can sit a team leader and former top 5 pick against a pass happy offense, all for the betterment of the team.
    Did it work? Philly had 7 passing yards in the first half. 7.
    =============================
    How’d it work in the 2nd half when they nearly let the game get tied?
    Keep thinking this is a SB team…
    Vick made it look like Childs play out there.
    Any decent QB rips that defense apart,

  54. Pervy H. says: Sep 13, 2010 12:47 PM

    Packer Defense overrated? I guess you can say that since the Eagles had a terrible offensive line going in. Vick comes in and looks like he did during his prime years.
    What kept the eagles in this game was the terrible play calling of McCarthy(who sucks worse than Chilly). When you build a 17 point lead, and the ball at your 40, you go for the kill… McCarthy, played it conservative, and that almost cost the Packers the game.
    Nobody in Viking Land is scared of your mediocre team…TRUTH!

  55. chargerrich says: Sep 13, 2010 12:47 PM

    AJ… look on the bright side, Andy Katzenmoyer is jealous of you.

  56. Canned Gravy says: Sep 13, 2010 12:59 PM

    TwinCitiesTT says:
    September 13, 2010 12:24 PM
    The imagination mover (hawk) was overrated, just like this years Packers.. So much hype for a soft team. They wont stay healthy. You better protect that qb, cause your backup is garbage.. The Packers are 1 sack away from disaster.. So watch how much smack your talking on here. It will come back to bite you in the ass…
    ___________________________________
    That comment right there is why the karma gods are going to kick you square in the seeds…and real soon. Every QB is one sack away from disaster, as you will soon find out.
    Let’s see….Favre plays the Dolphins next week and then has Detroit, who will knock him around well. Then the much needed bye week for gramps followed by 3 straight weeks of top defenses in the Jets, Cowboys, and Packers. If he’s still standing and playing after those 2 or 3 losses, he’ll lose at New England in a points race, get back to maybe a win in AZ and then face Chicago’s D at Soldier, Green Bay at home and then head to DC. If he makes it out of there alive (don’t bet on it) the Eagles D may just finish him off.
    Like I said before….I’d worry about my team if I were you. Jealousy and praying for bad luck will get you nowhere. Your last 2 sentences about smack talk were the best yet….and that crap is coming back on you already, isn’t it? Funny how the Twink fans have turned from “watch what our team does to your team” to “watch out, for what may happen to your team by talking smart.” At least you know your place now…losers.

  57. Philly Cheese says: Sep 13, 2010 1:00 PM

    Matthews had a whale of a game and was easily the best player on the Packers. I honestly think if he wasn’t on the field, the Packers lose that game. The rest of the team just looked average to me, but it was the first game of the year and I can see them getting better as the year goes on. Philly has a lot more questions right now than they did before the game.

  58. Sterling says: Sep 13, 2010 1:01 PM

    As a Packer fan, I think Hawk has been a disappointment as a former #1 pick. He’s fairly solid, but he’s an average to above-average LB at best; he isn’t a superstar or even an All-Pro, in my opinion. But he’s certainly better than the decidedly non-performer Justin Harrell, another #1 pick from the supposedly astute Ted Thompson. He was an idiot to select a player who didn’t play his senior year b/c of back issues. And what has plagued him most of his pro “career”? Back issues. Now it’s his knee. I hope the Pack cuts him loose, sooner rather than later.
    Matthews, meanwhile, is looking like one of the top LBs in the entire league, and he’s still really young. The Pack should be giving him Hawk’s money, and Hawk ought to take Mathews’ salary instead.

  59. MinnesotaLove says: Sep 13, 2010 1:07 PM

    Better check him for PHD’s he is friends with Brian Cushing.

  60. Allied Biscuit says: Sep 13, 2010 1:12 PM

    favre, rodgers, superbowl, int’s, fat, your state sucks, felons, criminals, love boat, TT, jolly, chmrua favre, brett, oline, IQ, pervy,rodgers, sacks, saints, ugly women, beer.
    that about covers it. i have won. and now i go back, to whatever it is i do.

  61. steelers rule says: Sep 13, 2010 1:12 PM

    WOW, another Ohio State bust? Who would have thought! Is he still married to Brady Quinn’s sister or did she wise up and dump his ass?

  62. mrcmos says: Sep 13, 2010 1:15 PM

    To all you Viqueen trolls that have nothing better to do….
    Hawk is average at best. OK, deal with it, I have.
    I guess we’ll see when we play the two games to determine who might be the leader in the NFCN. That’s why they play the games. All this trash talking serves no point other than to entertain the masses.
    Out.

  63. nutnbutnet says: Sep 13, 2010 1:15 PM

    TwinCitiesTT says:
    September 13, 2010 12:24 PM
    The imagination mover (hawk) was overrated, just like this years Packers.. So much hype for a soft team. They wont stay healthy. You better protect that qb, cause your backup is garbage.. The Packers are 1 sack away from disaster.. So watch how much smack your talking on here. It will come back to bite you in the ass…
    ——————————
    What a pathetic loser you and your Viking troll friends are, pathetic losers. Say hello to your nearest cellar-dwelling neighbor, Detroit, for me. You two will have a lot in common this year.

  64. mattgso says: Sep 13, 2010 1:20 PM

    Majik Bullet says:
    September 13, 2010 11:31 AM
    So, do Packer fans still consider this guy a good pick, and not a bust? You’ve defended this guy to no end, and defended TT for picking him, saying how “solid” Hawk is. What say you now?
    ——————————————-
    What does it matter the opion of the hater or the fan? What value does “admitting” anything provide?
    He wasn’t as big of an impact as hoped. Wow… shocker this sort of thing happens in the NFL.
    He’s on special teams and base D. Special teams did quite well for the Pack this weekend.

  65. mattgso says: Sep 13, 2010 1:21 PM

    Pervy H. says:
    September 13, 2010 12:47 PM
    McCarthy, played it conservative, and that almost cost the Packers the game.
    ——————————————-
    ALMOST.
    And the vikings ALMOST made it to the Super Bowl. But they didn’t.

  66. That's Mr Rodgers to you says: Sep 13, 2010 1:25 PM

    TwinCitiesTT says:
    September 13, 2010 12:24 PM
    The imagination mover (hawk) was overrated, just like this years Packers.. So much hype for a soft team. They wont stay healthy. You better protect that qb, cause your backup is garbage.. The Packers are 1 sack away from disaster.. So watch how much smack your talking on here. It will come back to bite you in the ass…
    ……………………………………………………………………………….
    At least you know how to give advice!
    Idiot!

  67. aligreene says: Sep 13, 2010 1:31 PM

    when your the 5th pick and dont play defense or offense your a bust he wont be in green bay next year

  68. PackAttack says: Sep 13, 2010 1:47 PM

    Hey Vikes fans:
    Troy Williamson.
    Now shut your mouth.

  69. Charles Wood says: Sep 13, 2010 1:57 PM

    Pervy H. says:
    September 13, 2010 12:34 PM
    TwinCitiesTT says:
    September 13, 2010 12:24 PM
    The imagination mover (hawk) was overrated, just like this years Packers.. So much hype for a soft team. They wont stay healthy. You better protect that qb, cause your backup is garbage.. The Packers are 1 sack away from disaster.. So watch how much smack your talking on here. It will come back to bite you in the ass…
    ==================== ===============
    Well said TCTT……
    ————————————————-
    BUTT PIRATES.

  70. pacstud says: Sep 13, 2010 2:01 PM

    It tells me that CMJr. got better masking agents than his Trojan bretheren…
    Who got da JUICE?!?

  71. Moseycade24 says: Sep 13, 2010 2:08 PM

    His house is up for sale in GB now. Writing on the wall???

  72. TwinCitiesTT says: Sep 13, 2010 2:17 PM

    You barely beat a bad eagles team with a qb that was in prison for 2 years. get over it your not that good..

  73. exactlyright21 says: Sep 13, 2010 2:26 PM

    “His house is up for sale in GB now.”
    Wonder how much that would be?…… It’s Green Bay, probably $50

  74. mwcarolina says: Sep 13, 2010 2:33 PM

    AJ Hawk isnt a bad player and i would love to have him on my team, is he great, no, but he can play.

  75. Majik Bullet says: Sep 13, 2010 2:34 PM

    nutnbutnet says:
    September 13, 2010 12:08 PM
    Majik Bullet says:
    September 13, 2010 11:31 AM
    So, do Packer fans still consider this guy a good pick, and not a bust? You’ve defended this guy to no end, and defended TT for picking him, saying how “solid” Hawk is. What say you now?
    ——————– —
    Dude, if you want I’ll lend you a copy of “Football for Dummies”.
    ________________
    So are you trying to tell me that a top 5 pick who only plays special teams is not a bust? And yeah, I know he was a starter for a couple years, but so were guys like David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tony Mandarich, etc. Just because they are forced into the lineup for a few years because of draft status doesn’t mean they’re not a bust, just that the team is trying to justify their poor decision.
    Maybe you should hang on to that book for a while.

  76. djkeitse says: Sep 13, 2010 2:35 PM

    the NFL should test Matthew’s for roids

  77. algoreisahack says: Sep 13, 2010 2:42 PM

    Dave M says:
    September 13, 2010 11:39 AM
    Matthews has become the kind of LB that we thought we were supposed to be getting with Hawk.
    Can somebody tell me why the majority of Ohio State LBs come to the NFL and fall on their face? In the past 1 years, it seems like almost every “can’t miss” OSU linebacker has never come close to reaching their potential.
    If I was an NFL GM, I’d follow two rules to draft time:
    Rule 1: Never use a first round pick on a linebacker from Ohio State.
    Rule 2: Never draft a Heisman Trophy winner and expect him to become a superstar.
    WRONG. James Laurinatius, (early 2nd-round) should have been R.O.theY. last year on Defense, but that roidhead Cushing got it.
    Laurinatius is going to be a multiple Pro Bowl LOCK.
    Malcome Jenkins the same. He is a superstar waiting to happen. Same with Beanie Wells, he is on the cusp of greatness. tOSU puts about as many players in the league than anyone, or more than anyone. You’re bound to have a few “busts” (relatively speaking) when your sending sooo many guys to the league.
    p.s. hmmm, let me think. OH YEAH! There is a certain receiver who made THE greatest catch in Super Bowl history, and was the MVP of that game a few years ago, who happened to be from THE Ohio State University. Santonio Holmes. Ever heard of him? I don’t know which school you support, but, it’s clear you’re a hater, and whatever sh*T school you like is inferior to tOSU.

  78. goombar2 says: Sep 13, 2010 2:51 PM

    Thanks for all the concern and advice viking fans…
    There’s just one problem, you guys aren’t any good and you never have been good. You guys have never seen a season of championship ball, so really, what good is all your advice and analysis?
    It started a month after you guys lost a pretty big game till about a couple weeks ago with trash talking and Super Bowl dreams…
    And after week one? From Stanko to the lowliest fan Pervy everyone in vikeland realizes that reality is far different than those goofy dreams.
    How about you guys dream about something more constructive like the move to LA and what new name the team should get? That’d be smarter, because if I were a vike fan I’d want to get rid of the 50 year legacy of loser bowl football I was exposed to.

  79. Majik Bullet says: Sep 13, 2010 2:56 PM

    GBfanForever says:
    September 13, 2010 2:29 PM
    Hey Vikes fans:
    Troy Williamson.
    Now shut your mouth.
    —————– ——————– ————
    It’s funny you mention Troy Williamson. He wasn’t the only first round bust the vikes had in that draft. DE Erasmus James was the other. Did I mention Michael Bennett?
    _____________________
    We’re talking draft busts of the current regime, and Spielman drafted neither of those guys. Shocking to see a Packer fan go back in time to pull out his defense. Besides, a fan of a team who drafted Tony Mandarich should never dredge up draft failures of yesteryear.

  80. RC IV says: Sep 13, 2010 3:02 PM

    PackAttack says:
    September 13, 2010 1:47 PM
    Hey Vikes fans:
    Troy Williamson.
    Now shut your mouth.
    ======================
    Funny you have to go all the way back to old regimes for a comback.
    I can do that too.
    Brent Fullwood…Tony Mandrich.
    Now STFU!
    Goombar: That’s all you have, really?
    Getting beat in an argument about present day teams so you go back to titles and moving?
    Big suprise.
    You are such a shit stabber.

  81. cronn100 says: Sep 13, 2010 3:24 PM

    Superlative defense? LMAO! Did you see them trying to catch Vick? It was hilarious? Almost as funny as that O-Line…

  82. Ruvell100 says: Sep 13, 2010 3:37 PM

    “Besides, a fan of a team who drafted Tony Mandarich should never dredge up draft failures of yesteryear.”
    ————–
    You were a die-hard Packer fan during that time, now you mock the very life you lived. Your loyalty to one man is saddening. I’m actually sad for you.

  83. TwinCitiesTT says: Sep 13, 2010 3:48 PM

    Unless your from GB why would you cheer for them?

  84. Stubbs156 says: Sep 13, 2010 4:01 PM

    Not a GB or Vi-Queen fan so I’ll leave the jabs for you guys. But considering the topic I have to say that Hawk is horrible for a starter. I watch every down of evey GB game (wife and her family are fans) and the guy is useless. We have given him the moniker of pile jumper. He always seem to be the one jumping in at the last minute to get the attention and stats. Waste of a pick. Waste of money. Grant hobling into the tunnel on one leg yesterday was faster than Hawk on an all out blitz. Every team has their own list of these guys.

  85. Fred Finstad says: Sep 13, 2010 4:15 PM

    Who will be the player this year to win the prize, taking Bart (I mean Brett) out???
    Maybe Hawk will be the man!!!
    GO PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  86. Pervy H. says: Sep 13, 2010 4:19 PM

    Hawk should just retire….

  87. Majik Bullet says: Sep 13, 2010 5:08 PM

    Ruvell
    Thanks, but I need no pity from the fan of the 1995 Super Bowl Champion Packers. And if being a die hard fan is what you and the rest of the homers call yourselves, then I definitely was never that.
    Unlike you, Super, and the rest of you Bob Nelson wanna-be’s, I always had the ability to question the management and the coaching, just as I do now as a Viking fan who lays Thursday’s loss squarely on Chilly.

  88. zangy says: Sep 13, 2010 5:17 PM

    Sterling says:
    September 13, 2010 1:01 PM
    As a Packer fan, I think Hawk has been a disappointment as a former #1 pick. He’s fairly solid, but he’s an average to above-average LB at best; he isn’t a superstar or even an All-Pro, in my opinion. But he’s certainly better than the decidedly non-performer Justin Harrell, another #1 pick from the supposedly astute Ted Thompson. He was an idiot to select a player who didn’t play his senior year b/c of back issues. And what has plagued him most of his pro “career”? Back issues. Now it’s his knee. I hope the Pack cuts him loose, sooner rather than later.
    ——————————————
    Harrell didn’t play his senior year of college because of a torn biceps.
    As far as Vick goes…Green Bay prepared all off-season to face Kolb and shut him down completely, they spent very little time preparing for Vick. Regardless of how much they prepared, I still think Vick would have played very well against Green Bay, he has become a better passer under Andy Reid, not great by any means, but much more patient and understanding of how the offense works. So much more patient to the point that it did his team in at the end (3rd and goal, had an easy running lane into the endzone but threw instead). Philly fans thinking that Vick is their savior is a joke. If teams had full weeks to prepare for just Mike Vick then he would be shut down, and return to being the same mediocre QB that he was in ATL.
    To all the Vikings haters…1-0 vs 0-1…those are the ONLY stats that matter right now.

  89. Calistin says: Sep 13, 2010 5:28 PM

    Greenway isn’t any better than Hawk. Drafted in the same round. Check the stats.
    You Vikings fans are clueless. Hawk doesn’t just play ST. He plays in the base 3-4, but not the nickel.
    Some people are so far behind in the race they actually think they are winning. I’d take Hawk over any of the Vikings LB any day. You all argue he doesn’t play like a 1st round pick, yet if you look at the stats, and they say otherwise.
    Like I said before nothing to see here, just a little fodder for the butthurt Viking trolls.

  90. purpleguy says: Sep 13, 2010 5:45 PM

    Geez, 75% of the cheeser posts actually defend the 5th overall pick as a good LB when he can’t even get on the field to play defense the entire game. Come on, a pick that high should not only be starting, he should be in the pro bowl. Every team has busts, even TT’s Packers.

  91. Pervy H. says: Sep 13, 2010 5:46 PM

    Calistin says: I’d take Hawk over any of the Vikings LB any day.
    ————————————————–
    LMAO!!! HEEHAWHEE Oh my God, thanks the laugh doucher…..Ask any team in the league if they want Hawk over Henderson,Greenway or Leber…no way jose…

  92. Pervy H. says: Sep 13, 2010 6:26 PM

    People who even mention the word “trolls” on PFT are clueless idiots…we are all trolls…

  93. zangy says: Sep 13, 2010 7:32 PM

    Pervy H. says:
    September 13, 2010 6:26 PM
    People who even mention the word “trolls” on PFT are clueless idiots…we are all trolls…
    —————————————————
    This.
    F*ck the Vikings!!!

  94. Pervy H. says: Sep 13, 2010 8:55 PM

    zangy…I banged yo’ mom….

  95. ICEWALKER says: Sep 13, 2010 11:03 PM

    Fellow troll here…..
    I think the Packers shouldn’t be concerned with base/nickle LB and who is going to be the starting RB. Sure theyhave Brandon Jackson but he’s ……Brandon Jackson.
    Do the Packers think about calling Ahman Green again? Marshawn Lynch trade? Gonna have to do something for at least this week since they won’t go into the game with one healthy RB (Kuhn is a 1st string FB but can carry a few times).

  96. badfish69 says: Sep 13, 2010 11:49 PM

    Has Hawk been a disappointment? Yeah I would say so, but I still don’t blame Thompson for drafting him. The Packers needed a linebacker and Hawk was considered the best in the draft that year by pretty much everyone. He is not the first first top ten pick to not live up to expectations, and definitely won’t be the last.
    Remember that this was the consensus on him at the time.
    “A.J. Hawk is fast enough that he can run down most running backs and tight ends, and athletic enough to change direction and make a play. He doesn’t have a problem reading run or pass, and doesn’t struggle too much with the play-action pass. He won’t shy away from being hit, and is one of the toughest players in the draft.
    Hawk is a very smart player who won’t forget his assignment on most plays. He shows good composure and is the leader of the defense. Of all the LBs in the draft, Hawk is also the best in coverage.”
    Harrell on the other hand? Not a good pick at all.

  97. shaggytoodle says: Sep 14, 2010 1:37 AM

    Rumor has it he hasn’t been the same since his wife has been nagging him about how her brother had to move from Cleveland to Denver. He has been healthy enough not to miss a chance to start whether they use him or not is GBs, choice. They have schemes, so TT tries to find players that fit it. Unline Minn. where someone gets hurt they panic and talk about trading for recievers when they ” have a solid receiving core” good luck Minn. have fun being below .500 in week 10

  98. shaggytoodle says: Sep 14, 2010 1:46 AM

    Did some more research don’t hate on Hawk cuz of this.
    Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:47:11 -0700
    Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy said the team decided to dress only four defensive linemen in Week 1 because the team planned to use their nickel defense for most of their game, which uses only two defensive linemen, reports Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
    Maybe coaches realized Philly might be pass happy this season, you know kind of like every other season when they pass atleast 70% of the time. Don’t hate on GB for palnning accordingly.

  99. BoobyClark 75 says: Sep 14, 2010 2:09 AM

    If I was an NFL GM, I’d follow two rules to draft time:
    Rule 1: Never use a first round pick on a linebacker from Ohio State.
    Rule 2: Never draft a Heisman Trophy winner and expect him to become a superstar.
    Rule 3: Never draft a USC Wide out.

  100. MACK DADDY says: Sep 14, 2010 7:26 AM

    WOW. If it’ll make all the cryking fans fell better about being 0-1 i’ll say it. Hawk is a bust. There fellas, now you can go back to blaming officials and defending Brett for f’in up your season.

  101. RC IV says: Sep 14, 2010 8:44 AM

    MACK DADDY says:
    September 14, 2010 7:26 AM
    WOW. If it’ll make all the cryking fans fell better about being 0-1 i’ll say it. Hawk is a bust. There fellas, now you can go back to blaming officials and defending Brett for f’in up your season
    =============================
    Now, if you could stick a fork in a toaster, we’d be all set.
    Trust me, no one would miss you…..Anywhere.

  102. FavreBlows says: Sep 14, 2010 11:38 AM

    Majik Butt—-you’re an idiot.
    The loss to NO falls solely on Favre. The pr!ck held out for more money and skipped camp again. Then he looked lost throwing to WRs. He had no flow. Don’t tell me for a second that Rodgers doesn’t benefit from OTA’s, minicamp, training camp. He didn’t have a very good game, but the fact is practice matters.
    Favre’s ego and arrogance cost the Vikes game one. If they lose to the Dolphins, their entire season is done. And you can blame it all on Favre.

  103. Majik Bullet says: Sep 14, 2010 12:13 PM

    FavreBlows(wishful thinking)
    So Rodgers shows up to camp, Favre doesn’t, and Rodgers plays worse than Favre in the opener. What’s your logic here, other than you just don’t like Favre because you are a scorned teenage girl? While a young QB like Rodgers may need camp to improve (looks like he needs a lot more), Favre showed last year that he can play lights out without it.
    And if I recall, Favre wasn’t the one who called the plays that gave AD only one carry in the 4th quarter of a very close game. But I am impressed with the logic that if MN loses to Miami, and goes 0-2, their season is over, makes tons of sense, coming from a fan of a team who started 4-4 last year to rebound to 11-5.

  104. MACK DADDY says: Sep 14, 2010 12:53 PM

    Favre played better than Rodgers?
    Rodgers=more yards
    Rodgers=more TD’s
    Rodgers=higher completion %
    Rodgers=higher QB rating
    Rodgers=won
    I’m not exactly sure how Brett had a better game but i’m sure some cryking fan will try and explain it to me…

  105. mattgso says: Sep 14, 2010 1:18 PM

    Majik Bullet says:
    September 13, 2010 2:56 PM
    We’re talking draft busts of the current regime, and Spielman drafted neither of those guys. Shocking to see a Packer fan go back in time to pull out his defense. Besides, a fan of a team who drafted Tony Mandarich should never dredge up draft failures of yesteryear.
    ———————————————-
    So you dredge up past Packer draft mistakes and they are relevant to today and right.
    But when they get dredged up from the vi-queen past, it’s wrong.
    East Dakota logic.

  106. Majik Bullet says: Sep 14, 2010 2:05 PM

    matgso
    I was using Big Tony as an example of why to not dig into the past for draft busts, to show why it was foolish to bring up Erasmus and Williamson. My mentioning of Mandarich was intentionally unreasonable, but you’re not quite adept enough to comprehend that, are you?

  107. rcunningham says: Sep 14, 2010 4:47 PM

    Wow, why are all the Viking and Packer fans on this website so secretly gay for each other?
    Just kiss already.

  108. ACS2 says: Sep 14, 2010 4:53 PM

    How’s that Herschel Walker working out for ya?

  109. *~* Jia Li *~* says: Sep 14, 2010 8:08 PM

    Hey, don’t get me wrong……ever since Clay joined the team i’ve been head-over-heels in LOVE!! But i still adore my AJ Hawk…….don’t diss him because someone else is good TOO. Why do people all of a sudden vocally turn on good players so easily when someone else has one amazing game?? AJ Hawk is an amazing player and a great asset to our team!!……..so what someone else is in the lime-light as well? I’m sure the two of them are mature enough to share it, so why don’t we try to be.
    Besides, this just might be his last season anyways…….i mean the packers big-wigs don’t really care about the fans, and holding onto people the fans have grown use to…….so AJ will probably be wronged – or feel wronged, like brett, and join the vikings out of spite, like brett. LOL!
    And yes, i know, not all people are mature/intelligent enough to share the lime light [i mean look at TO — Loser.], but i’m pretty sure AJ & Clay, are.
    and LMAO @rcunningham’s “Wow, why are all the Viking and Packer fans on this website so secretly gay for each other?”

  110. FavreBlows says: Sep 14, 2010 8:12 PM

    Majik Butt–
    It didn’t matter last year because the Vikes started against CLE and DET and had a healthy Rice, Harvin and Chester Taylor. They now start out with two tough games and none of the above. Favre looked like sh!t last year the first few weeks. He got by because of the team around him and they played crappy teams. Not happening this year. Favre’s arrogance and ego will be the death of this team if they don’t beat Miami. 0-2 in the NFL is a death sentence. The team will realize that much of the blame falls on Favre and they will implode.
    I don’t know how you can say Favre played better than Rodgers. He lost…..and most people understand that they would have won if the Great Ego had been in camp. Rodgers won a tough game on the road. Sorry pal…..you lose.

  111. mattgso says: Sep 14, 2010 8:45 PM

    # Majik Bullet says: September 14, 2010 2:05 PM
    matgso
    I was using Big Tony as an example of why to not dig into the past for draft busts, to show why it was foolish to bring up Erasmus and Williamson. My mentioning of Mandarich was intentionally unreasonable, but you’re not quite adept enough to comprehend that, are you?
    ————————————————————
    So genius in your own mind, how far back do we go for relevance? ADMIT how far back you’d like to go. Admit!

  112. Majik Bullet says: Sep 14, 2010 9:14 PM

    mattgso says:
    September 14, 2010 8:45 PM
    # Majik Bullet says: September 14, 2010 2:05 PM
    matgso
    I was using Big Tony as an example of why to not dig into the past for draft busts, to show why it was foolish to bring up Erasmus and Williamson. My mentioning of Mandarich was intentionally unreasonable, but you’re not quite adept enough to comprehend that, are you?
    —————– ——————– ——————– —
    So genius in your own mind, how far back do we go for relevance? ADMIT how far back you’d like to go. Admit!
    _________________
    Umm, like I’ve said many times before in regards to this subject, and even mentioned it in this thread, the only ones relevant to the current situation are the ones under the current respective management regimes, Spielman and Thompson.
    Why is this so difficult to comprehend, genius? ADMIT how big of a moron you are. Admit!

  113. shaggytoodle says: Sep 15, 2010 12:56 AM

    September 13, 2010 2:35 PM
    the NFL should test Matthew’s for roids
    __________________________
    they do

  114. mattgso says: Sep 15, 2010 5:58 AM

    # Majik Bullet says: September 14, 2010 9:14 PM
    Umm, like I’ve said many times before in regards to this subject, and even mentioned it in this thread,
    ———————————————————
    News flash: your written words typically are “bla bla bla… Gay-Bay…. bla bla bla….. Ted is a vampire…I nailed your mom”. So you’ll understand that all these “profound” (note the sarcasm) statements you make don’t stand out.
    Spielman, Jeff Garcia look-a-like, has only been in place since when? 06? 07? Likes to give away picks for FAs. When your house of cards falls this year, you’ll be calling for his head.

  115. Majik Bullet says: Sep 15, 2010 9:14 AM

    mattgso says
    News flash: your written words typically are “bla bla bla… Gay-Bay…. bla bla bla….. Ted is a vampire…I nailed your mom”. So you’ll understand that all these “profound” (note the sarcasm) statements you make don’t stand out.
    Spielman, Jeff Garcia look-a-like, has only been in place since when? 06? 07? Likes to give away picks for FAs. When your house of cards falls this year, you’ll be calling for his head.
    _________________
    Nice try there chief, but now you’re just making stuff up in a feeble attempt to save face. I’ve never said “Gay-Bay”, I have never used the Teddy Vampire line (although I have laughed at it many a time), and I never resort to childish taunts involving one’s mother. I’ll insult someone’s intelligence from time to time, with good reason, but that’s about it.
    But let me get this straight, according to you, my statements don’t stand out. Yet here you are, responding to my threads, one right after another. And you have to lie and falsely accuse me of things I’ve never done in order to defend your own asinine actions.
    As for Spielman, yes, he arrived in 2006, one year after Ted. So that makes their tenures fairly comparable. And in Spielman’s one less year, he has brought in more Pro Bowl players, has a higher winning percentage, and has won more division titles, all the while taking over a non playoff team, while Ted took over a 3 time defending division champ, with 4 straight playoff appearances.
    And what’s wrong with Spielman trading away a couple picks for an All-Pro DE like Allen? Should he have held onto that first rounder, and drafted a guy like Harrell or Hawk?

  116. Majik Bullet says: Sep 15, 2010 9:17 AM

    And by the way mattgso, you don’t give away picks for Free Agents, that doesn’t make sense. You can trade picks for a player under contract, but you can’t trade a draft pick for a Free Agent, who would you be giving the picks to?
    And that is the type of stupidity that typically warrants me to insult your incredible lack of common football knowledge. Now, just go away as to not embarrass yourself further.

  117. ACS2 says: Sep 15, 2010 9:59 AM

    How’s that Troy Williamson working out for ya?

  118. Majik Bullet says: Sep 15, 2010 10:18 AM

    ACS2 says:
    September 15, 2010 9:59 AM
    How’s that Troy Williamson working out for ya?
    _____________________
    About as well as Ahmad Carroll is for you. Why keep bringing up busts from past regimes? Do you realzie how big of a moron it makes you look like?

  119. mattgso says: Sep 15, 2010 5:22 PM

    # Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 9:17 AM
    And by the way mattgso, you don’t give away picks for Free Agents, that doesn’t make sense. You can trade picks for a player under contract, but you can’t trade a draft pick for a Free Agent, who would you be giving the picks to?
    And that is the type of stupidity that typically warrants me to insult your incredible lack of common football knowledge. Now, just go away as to not embarrass yourself further.
    ————————————————————
    Lot of effort trying to wordsmith yourself into being a knowledgeable fan.
    You’re painting many, many things with a broad brush so it’s beneficial to your opinion. It’s obvious you’re conveniently igonoring many other factors.
    If it all happened in a black and white vacuum you’d have a good argument and a job as GM.
    But it doesn’t and you don’t.
    Keep trying.

  120. Majik Bullet says: Sep 15, 2010 6:16 PM

    mattgso says:
    Lot of effort trying to wordsmith yourself into being a knowledgeable fan.
    You’re painting many, many things with a broad brush so it’s beneficial to your opinion. It’s obvious you’re conveniently igonoring many other factors.
    If it all happened in a black and white vacuum you’d have a good argument and a job as GM.
    But it doesn’t and you don’t.
    Keep trying.
    ___________________
    So this is your lame attempt at defending your total lack of knowledge of some of the most basic NFL transactions?
    Because no matter what brush size I use to describe it, the fact remains that you can’t trade for free agents.

  121. mattgso says: Sep 15, 2010 6:48 PM

    Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 6:16 PM
    So this is your lame attempt at defending your total lack of knowledge of some of the most basic NFL transactions?
    ——————————————————–
    No Dilber it shows how you skew your opinions and try to call them facts.
    Yes typo on my part: dropped a couple words and the sentence made no sense. I ADMITTED that error.
    You can play GM fantasy league all you want. But the trades, FA signings, and picks address different needs. Not apples to apples as convenient as that would be for you.

  122. Majik Bullet says: Sep 15, 2010 8:20 PM

    How am I “skewing my opinions?” First of all, they’re my opinions, if I change them, it’s my business. Just another “typo” on your part, right?
    But what facts am I distorting? The fact that in one less year, Spielman has brought more talent and a higher winning percentage to his team than TT has? Or the fact that Spielman has had nothing but successes with his use of 1st round picks, while Ted misses more than he hits?
    You’re entitled to your opinion, but just because you don’t like what I’m saying doesn’t mean you can say it’s not right when it clearly is.
    And by the way, you never ADMITTED you “typo” until now, and I hardly believe it was a typo, just your lack of knowledge of the game shining through, yet again.

  123. mattgso says: Sep 15, 2010 9:19 PM

    # Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 8:20 PM
    You’re entitled to your opinion, but just because you don’t like what I’m saying doesn’t mean you can say it’s not right when it clearly is.
    And by the way, you never ADMITTED you “typo” until now, and I hardly believe it was a typo, just your lack of knowledge of the game shining through, yet again.
    ——————————————————-
    Right as in fact? Your opinion is fact? See any flaws in that logic?
    I missed 2 words and comma. That shines lack of proofreading. The rest is assumptions and opinions.
    Doesn’t matter how many times or ways you type it. You view is not fact. Just a bunch of blow-hard nonsense sprinkled with your dictionary word of the day.
    Comparing picks and trades for 2 different teams is meaningless.

  124. FavreBlows says: Sep 15, 2010 9:24 PM

    Majik Butt–
    You are dead on about Spielman outperforming TT. He has….not even close. But Spielman has probably outperformed every GM in football the past four years. Everything he touched has turned to gold. Hats off to him.
    TT is a very good GM. He made the move of the decade by telling Favre NO, and sticking with Rodgers. That call took balls, big-time balls.
    AND…..your Queens gave the keys to the city to Favre…..and this is the year it bites them in the a$$. He is playing with limited resources…..a sh!tty OL…..and he is 41. The Vikings will blow up the team after this year. And this year’s team will be lucky to finish .500. They just don’t have the guns that the Pack do.
    Sorry man…..you lose again. Don’t you ever get sick of losing Butt.

  125. Majik Bullet says: Sep 15, 2010 10:58 PM

    mattgso says:
    Right as in fact? Your opinion is fact? See any flaws in that logic?
    I missed 2 words and comma. That shines lack of proofreading. The rest is assumptions and opinions.
    Doesn’t matter how many times or ways you type it. You view is not fact. Just a bunch of blow-hard nonsense sprinkled with your dictionary word of the day.
    Comparing picks and trades for 2 different teams is meaningless.
    ___________________
    What did I say that is so invalid? That Spielman has done a better job than Ted? That Hawk, a top 5 pick who didn’t play a down of D while healthy is a bust? While these may not be iron clad facts, they’re pretty hard to dispute.
    And I can understand one missed word or comma. But 2 words and a comma in one short sentence. Not buying it.
    And you, the guy who wants to blow or be blown by Favre. How is Ted a great GM? Is it his barely above .500 record after taking over a 3 time defending division champ? His 2 losing seasons? Or his trading of Favre for a 6-10 record? Perhaps his wise use of 1st round picks, and his failure to sign free agents aside from Woodson?
    As for your reasons for Favre failing, you schmucks were saying the same crap last year. And he proved you wrong. So stop throwing crap against the wall in hopes of it sticking, and try using logic. He’s playing with the same OL as last year, has all but one of last year’s weapons, and he’ll be returning, and a very good defense.

  126. mattgso says: Sep 16, 2010 8:42 AM

    Majik Bullet says:
    September 15, 2010 10:58 PM
    While these may not be iron clad facts, they’re pretty hard to dispute.
    And I can understand one missed word or comma. But 2 words and a comma in one short sentence. Not buying it.
    ————————————-
    They, your OPINIONS, are easy to dispute. What’s the in depth roster situation of each team? You have a position by position break down? Who was available? Scouting reports? Or you ust going by feel-good homer instinct?
    What you buy is on you. You’re opinion is not valued enough to try to sway.
    faver did well last year. Won’t repeat.

  127. Majik Bullet says: Sep 16, 2010 9:30 AM

    So mattgso, it’s easy for you to dispute that Spielman has a higher winning percentage than Ted? Or that Ted took over a perennial winner, Spielman a non playoff team? Or the fact that Spielman has brought in more Pro Bowlers in his shorter tenure than Thompson has?
    And while I’m not going to provide the in depth breakdowns you so pine for, I will give you a simple, yet very effective evaluation of overall talent. Minnesota is 22-10 with 2 division titles and an appearance in the NFCC game over the past 2 seasons, while GB is 17-15, with not even so much as a plyoff win.
    And don’t you find it a bit ironic that the guy harping on opinions is firing them out freely, and baselessly? Why will Favre not repeat? Because he’s 41 instead of 40? What logic are you basing this on, other than your extreme desire for him to fail so you can sing the praises of your failed GM? I could just as easily say the same about Rodgers, but I won’t, beccause speculating that a guy will fall of for no reason is pure idiocy, which explains your opinion of Favre not repeating.

  128. Murgen says: Sep 16, 2010 10:48 AM

    # devilalum says: September 13, 2010 11:42 AM
    Just another example of a clean player vs one who uses PED’s. At least Hawk still has his dignity.
    ———————————-
    Meh. your ass must be sore after pulling that out of it.

  129. mattgso says: Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM

    Majik Bullet says:
    September 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    So mattgso, it’s easy for you to dispute that Spielman has a higher winning percentage than Ted? Or that Ted took over a perennial winner, Spielman a non playoff team? Or the fact that Spielman has brought in more Pro Bowlers in his shorter tenure than Thompson has?
    And while I’m not going to provide the in depth breakdowns you so pine for, I will give you a simple, yet very effective evaluation of overall talent. Minnesota is 22-10 with 2 division titles and an appearance in the NFCC game over the past 2 seasons, while GB is 17-15, with not even so much as a plyoff win.
    And don’t you find it a bit ironic that the guy harping on opinions is firing them out freely, and baselessly? Why will Favre not repeat? Because he’s 41 instead of 40? What logic are you basing this on, other than your extreme desire for him to fail so you can sing the praises of your failed GM? I could just as easily say the same about Rodgers, but I won’t, beccause speculating that a guy will fall of for no reason is pure idiocy, which explains your opinion of Favre not repeating.
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    Pick a stat that favors vikings and one can be found to counter that favors the Packers.
    They don’t hand out trophies for singular stats. Singular stats are not independent of each other. Anyone can focus on the stats that favor their position. Advanced people look at the whole.
    TT made the right decision for the future of the organization. He thought beyond one season. If that means I’m singing his praises, so be it.
    I think faver will fail because his o-line is on the decline, schedule is not favorable, and at this point in his life, his can check his “tell me you love me” needs through 1 or 2 loses. Sure he’ll have a few great plays but my gutt tells me they will be significantly less than last year.

  130. FavreBlows says: Sep 16, 2010 4:17 PM

    Butt–
    I see you have no response to my claim that TT’s decision to kick Favre to the curb was genius…..so clearly you agree with me.
    You mention that the only decent FA signing for TT was Woodson. Two points on that note. One—he plucked a guy who was thought to be washed up….and that guy went on to win the NFL defensive MVP a few years later. Two—Ryan Pickett is an outstanding DL.
    Like I said….Spielman has been better, but TT has been pretty F’n good.

  131. Majik Bullet says: Sep 16, 2010 6:53 PM

    Yeah, Picket is so outstanding that Ted drafted 2 more DT’s in the first round. And if you really need to hear it, which I thought I clarified by mentioning the 6-10, trading Favre was a dumb move.

  132. FavreBlows says: Sep 16, 2010 9:06 PM

    Butt–
    You are a F’n moron. Are you kidding me? The Packers are set at QB for the next decade. If TT keeps Favre, Rodgers leaves for sure and they are then screwed. Favre has proven that he simply is not good enough in the playoffs to take a team all the way. 1996 was one of the best squads in football…..and it was the last time Favre played well in the postseason. They had plenty of chances since then, and they usually ended in failure because the Big Ego threw a stupid interception with the game on the line. His playoff record since 1996 simply sucks. TT and MM knew his limits. They knew what they had in Rodgers. They knew that it was Favre or Rodgers, and Favre was trying to yank them around anyway. TT’s decision to tell Favre to go to hell was not only ballsy…..it was genious. But a simpleton idiot like yourself Butt would never understand that.
    Typical of Viking fans…….stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.
    By the way…..how did your season end again last year? Ohhhhhh, that’s right……Favre threw a pick. Go back to your hole.

  133. mattgso says: Sep 17, 2010 7:59 AM

    Majik Bullet says:
    September 16, 2010 6:53 PM
    Yeah, Picket is so outstanding that Ted drafted 2 more DT’s in the first round.
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    Depth

  134. Majik Bullet says: Sep 17, 2010 9:51 AM

    # mattgso says: September 17, 2010 7:59 AM
    Yeah, Picket is so outstanding that Ted drafted 2 more DT’s in the first round.
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    Depth
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    Usually GM’s draft for depth in the latter rounds. 1st round guys are supposed to see the field right away. And you don’t tie up 2 first rounders and another big contract in Picket for one position. Keep drafting for depth and pretty soon all you have is decent backups, and no starters, kind of like GB’s offensive line.
    And to the guy who wants to blow Favre, it’s funny how you criticize Favre for not getting it done in the playoffs, or tossing a pick that caused overtime, not the loss, genius.
    But how convenient for you to leave out Rodgers’ playoff failure. By the way, how did the Packers’ season end? You see, the fumble-punt actually did end GB’s season. 18-15, 0 playoff wins, 0 division titles.

  135. ACS2 says: Sep 17, 2010 11:06 AM

    How’s that John David Booty coming along?

  136. ACS2 says: Sep 17, 2010 11:48 AM

    Majik Bullet says:
    September 16, 2010 6:53 PM
    And if you really need to hear it, which I thought I clarified by mentioning the 6-10, trading Favre was a dumb move.
    ————
    Congratulations, you’re dumber than anyone thought possible. Clearly, it was all Rodgers’ fault the Packers went 6-10 in 2008. I mean, his individual numbers were almost identical to Favre’s in 2007. It’s his fault, not the defense that gave up an additional 100 points.
    Keep peddling that shit, though. It’s always good for a laugh. Name one “expert” who thinks the Packers made a mistake in trading Favre and keeping Rodgers. Just one.

  137. mattgso says: Sep 17, 2010 11:48 AM

    Well I’m not 100% sure TT’s draft philosophy. I’m trying to find out but for some reason he won’t take my calls or accept my lunch invites.

  138. Majik Bullet says: Sep 17, 2010 5:23 PM

    # mattgso says: September 17, 2010 11:48 AM
    Well I’m not 100% sure TT’s draft philosophy. I’m trying to find out but for some reason he won’t take my calls or accept my lunch invites.
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    Ha. Maybe ask him to dinner instead of lunch. Wear something slutty, I’d bet he’d give you the info, and probably a lot more.

  139. ACS2 says: Sep 17, 2010 7:39 PM

    Just one, Majik.

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