Ryan Grant out for the year

And here’s why those Super Bowl predictions often end up being meaningless.

Packers running back Ryan Grant’s “significant ankle injury” from Sunday was sufficiently significant to end his season.

Jay Glazer of FOX reports that Grant will be placed on injured reserve with ankle and leg injuries.

Emerging as the starter in 2007 after a string of injuries to others on the depth chart, Grant rushed for 1,203 yards in 2008 and 1,253 in 2009.

In-house options to replace Grant are Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn.  James Johnson is on the practice squad.

Available veterans include Willie Parker and . . . and . . . Shaun Alexander?

239 responses to “Ryan Grant out for the year

  1. Ryan Grant looked good in one game in his entire career. And he fumbled twice in that game. Seahawks @ Lambeau 2008.
    REDSKINS VS. TEXANS SUPER BOWL

  2. That’s OK. Grant is a servicable back at best. The Packers’ were waiting for a reason to get Brandon Jackson some playing time anyway. I wonder if this is the last the Packers will see of Ryan Grant?

  3. “And here’s why those Super Bowl predictions often end up being meaningless”
    Losing Rodgers derails the season. Losing Woodson derails the season. Losing Matthews derails the season. Losing Grant…doesn’t help, but it’s not the end of the world. This is a pass first, run in the 4th quarter to drain the clock type of team. There’s not that much of a drop between Grant and Jackson.

  4. That sucks. They need to find some who can be the featured back – I don’t think Jackson has grown enough to be able to step into that role. Grant had a burst if he got through the hole that I don’t think Jackson possesses.

  5. That sucks for Grant. Good thing the Packers are more of a passing team anyway.
    It’s gonna hurt, but I wouldn’t forcast doom like all the Vikings trolls surely will.
    Brandon Jackson might not be the flashiest runner, but he is solid in blitz pickup, is a threat to catch out of the backfield, and isn’t as bad a runner as some would have you believe.
    Packers are going to have to pick someone up this week, just to get them in shape and up to speed.
    Lol, I hope this doesn’t get as bad as the Vernand Morency/Samkon Gado situation a few years back.

  6. As a Viking fan I can honestly say this doesnt hurt the Packers at all. Brandon Jackson is more than capable of filling in.

  7. LOL, why would the super bowl prediction be meaningless now? That’s ridiculous, especially considering Ryan Grant is a below-average RB talent who puts up yards because of his situation.
    GB sticks Jackson in and doesn’t miss a beat. Who knows, maybe the nobody they find/trade for ends up being 10x better than Ryan Grant, they can’t be much worse.

  8. That must have been one terrible ankle sprain to trash the whole frigging year — reason #43 why TT screwed up in not signing Westbrook.

  9. it’s a big loss for the packers but i don’t think they will have a huge setback because of this at all.

  10. Willie would actually do pretty well there. He’s got a lot of cold weather/snow/ice experience. Defenses would not be able to key on him, or stack the box, unless they wanted to get picked apart by Rogers – unlike his brief preseason experience in DC. He could probably give them 800-900 yards, 6-7 TD’s, and catch a bunch of passes out of the backfield.

  11. Shaun Alexander? What are you smoking Florio? I would think a trade for Lynch would be higher on the probability list than that……

  12. They should pick up Chris Jennings, a young running back cut by Cleveland. He is pretty tough and has some moves, plus he could be had for cheap.

  13. ooooopppppsssss….
    this is exactly what happened to the Ravens the year after they won the SB. Jamal blew out a knee. Priest Holmes had left as a free agent and we were stuck with jason Brookins and terry Allen at RB. we made the playoffs but never recovered. elvis retired at the end of the year and we have been in QB limbo until Flacco got here. this is why you have to have two viable running backs.

  14. Pretty tough loss for the Packers; lots of people call Grant “mediocre”, due to the scarcity of long/ breakaway runs- but he had good vision, never went backward, and never fumbled.
    A very good all weather back- he was decisive and was always running down hill.
    However- his yardage and TD production is replaceable. Plain and simple. Brandon Jackson is not as complete a back as Grant, but will fire off more long runs and is actually pretty good at blitz pick up.

  15. wow, I always hated grant but I didnt want to see him leave like this. Jackson is a poor mans brian westbrook, but is not a great true runner. The packers really do need to bring someone in.

  16. It’s really a shame for Grant but Florio is really showing his lack of football knowledge if he thinks this injury will drastically influence the packs fortunes this season. Grant, while solid, hasn’t been an impact player since 07. Jackson is ready to be a starter in the league and Ahman Green will be a fine backup again.

  17. Ouch, tough “break” Pack fans.
    Jackson’s at least a decent receiver out of the backfield, right?
    It’s amazing how one or two key injuries can turn a team’s fortunes on a dime.
    Remember last year when Urlacher was lost in week one against the Pack?
    Subsequently, last year and all off-season, there were choruses of “Bears suck” –and, of course, the majority of the football still feels the same way.
    But the Bears with a healthy Matt Forte and a healthy Brian Urlacher are a different team.
    Like the Biqueens without Rice will be a different team than last year.
    Success is a fickle mistress in the NFL.
    And when that mean old Pimp Injury puts the smack down on that b1tch, she listens.

  18. Marshawn Lynch would look good in a Packers uniform. And if they can reform Chuck Woodson’s former wayward ways, they can probably work their cheesehead magic with Lynch.
    Not that I want this to happen, though. My Raiders need a bona fide north-south kinda guy, who doesn’t get dinged up all the time and take himselft out of the lineup during games so that he can get a blow.

  19. extremely tough break. the best hope right now is that they can somehow win 2-3 of the next 5 games, pray that James Starks is ready to come off PUP, and continue to pray that he’s, well, you know, any good.

  20. The empire is crumbling.. HaHa!! So much undeserved hype in the off season. What a joke. The Bears and the Vikings will finish better than them anyways. Publicly in the media, Green Bay is treated as a “darling” or “cute” story because you maintain a NFL team in the middle of nowhere..Nobody outside of ESPN and Wisconsin feels that same way. Your fans have disgusted the rest of the NFL long enough with their dimwitted attitude and embarrassing lack of maturity.
    And before you show your intense insecurity, I’ll save you some time. I’m not a bears, Lions, Vikings, or Eagles fan.. Yes, a ton of people who are not involved in your so-called rivalries can’t stand you as well..

  21. The Eagles and the Packers basically knock each other out this season, Packers loose there starting RB and the Eagles loose there starting (and only) FB and center.

  22. That is too bad, Packer or not, you don’t wish that kind of thing on anyone. Hopefully he recovers without hinderance.

  23. It is a blow to the Packers run game, but the last time concerns about the running back arised, the Packers went out and got Ryan Grant, who has played great. HBs aren’t as big on premium as they once were, with teams that cycle the “three-headed monster,” it does stink,but its a passing league now and hopefully this setback won’t hamper the Packers run towards attempting to win the division.

  24. Dear Ryan Grant,
    Being on injured reserve isn’t so bad. After a while, you get used to it. The team even pays you while you’re on IR, which is pretty awesome!
    Sincerely,
    Justin Harrell

  25. I love how the GB fans are already trying to play up Jackson over Grant. Grant had over 1200 yards rushing last year, and averaged well over 4 yards per carry. Jackson already has over 170 career rushing attempts, and still averages less than 4 yards. It’s a loss for the Packers, no doubt about it.

  26. “Publicly in the media, Green Bay is treated as a “darling” or “cute” story because you maintain a NFL team in the middle of nowhere..Nobody outside of ESPN and Wisconsin feels that same way.”
    The packers have more fans across the country, and world, than just about any team in the league. I know that’s tough to hear for you but its true.

  27. Well, this is a shame. Good thing we have depth though… oh, wait…
    If memory serves, over half of the regular posters on this site were lobbying Ted to sign Westbrook or trade for Lynch a few months ago. It came as no surprise that he didn’t.
    It should also come as no surprise that he won’t do anything now but watch the very mediocre Brandon Jackson start for the rest of the year.
    Proof positive: Over half of the posters on even this pathetic site could run an NFL team better than Ted can. Maybe one of us will get a chance next season.

  28. rovibe says:
    September 14, 2010 1:44 PM
    Sounds like the Packers should just ‘pack’ it in.
    I Say: Your mother.
    Bad news about Grant. I wonder what we’ll do to fix it. Ted….DO NOT TRY AND GET IAN JOHNSON.

  29. I hate the Packers but I also hate to see anyone (even the Packers) get hurt. I want the Packers at full strength when they play the Vikings so there’s no excuses-good luck Ryan and I mean that sincerely!

  30. bleedpurple says:
    September 14, 2010 2:01 PM
    Cue the fudge packer cry babies.Deal with it. GO VIKES!!!!!
    …. says the disgruntled fan of the last-place Vikes.

  31. Well said, SJ Apollo – Grant was a cog in the wheel, but not a major one. Unless the Packers lose Rodgers, Woodson or Matthews they’re still head & shoulders above the NFC North and will play late into January, if not early Feb. Vikes fans – will you follow your team to LA or will you hop off the bandwagon become Bears fans?

  32. “Cue the fudge packer cry babies.Deal with it. GO VIKES!!!!!”
    Absolutley hilarious coming from a Vikings fan…..refs, Katrina, gunning for Favre, no Superbowl wins, wizzonators, love boat.
    Please Viking nation…just do everyone a favor and prepare to root for your beloved team as they move to LA.

  33. bleedpurple says:
    September 14, 2010 2:07 PM
    Cue the fudge packer cry babies.Deal with it. GO VIKES!!!!!
    ————————————————-
    Why did you post this twice? Doesn’t seem particularly clever.

  34. # BrentFavre says: September 14, 2010 1:44 PM
    Marshawn Lynch please Ted.
    Good, another criminal on your team. Gotta like that!

  35. # BrentFavre says: September 14, 2010 1:44 PM
    Marshawn Lynch please Ted.
    Good, another criminal on your team. Gotta like that!

  36. What was that thing that Viking fans kept saying to all the Packer backers that love the phrase ‘L.A. Vikings’….?
    Oh, yeah, Karma.
    Your O-Line better get it together or you’ll really know the definition of Karma.

  37. # Emoney says: September 14, 2010 1:58 PM
    Pick up willie parker. Or trade for dexter mccluster
    +++++++++
    Dexter McCluster? This isn’t Madden. Why would KC trade someone they just drafted?

  38. SJ Apollo says:
    September 14, 2010 1:43 PM
    “And here’s why those Super Bowl predictions often end up being meaningless”
    Losing Rodgers derails the season. Losing Woodson derails the season. Losing Matthews derails the season. Losing Grant…doesn’t help, but it’s not the end of the world. This is a pass first, run in the 4th quarter to drain the clock type of team. There’s not that much of a drop between Grant and Jackson.
    —————
    I agree with everything here except the last sentence. There’s a big drop, it just doesn’t MATTER that much because of the style of offense they run.
    Whoever said we should trade for McCluster made me laugh. Do you honestly think KC would trade away a dynamic young payer who is about 18 hours separated from a 94-yard punt return?

  39. Grant is good, not great. His durability was probably his biggest asset. Jackson has been great as a third down back picking up blitzes and catching passes out of the backfield, but hasn’t yet shown the ability to be the main guy. Maybe that will change now. The Packers have been waiting for their rookie, James Starks, to get healthy, but he won’t be available until week 7. The Packers can still have a decent running game without Grant.

  40. # gregjennings says: September 14, 2010 1:42 PM
    That’s OK. Grant is a servicable back at best. The Packers’ were waiting for a reason to get Brandon Jackson some playing time anyway. I wonder if this is the last the Packers will see of Ryan Grant?
    ———–
    I can NOT believe what I am reading. This whole time all you Packer fans were riding your Superbowl hopes on Grant and now that he is out you call him a serviceable back AT BEST!? WOW…dont get hurt on the fall from the bandwagon! Lets see how much longer you “fans” run your mouth after that sorry excuse for an O-line puts Rodgers on the same list as Grant.

  41. The best thing about Ryan Grant getting injured is that he is not Aaron Rodgers.
    Jackson has played well in spot duty, we’ll see if he can be servicable. All things considered, that is more or less what Grant is anyway.
    In my feeble mind, I see visions of John Kuhn and Brandon Jackson being the second coming of Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris. But it’s probably more like, well… who are the running backs at UW-Oshkosh?

  42. It’s truly a shame he has to miss the season, never wish this stuff on any player. Hopefully he can recover and make it back on the field at 100% next year.
    But I am left to ponder, how many of you Packer fans downplaying this as no big deal, are the same ones who were on here this offseason telling us how much better Grant was than AD?

  43. I’m thinking we have to go with Jackson. Gotta bring back Green assuming he is in shape. Green could take jackson roles in special teams and we keep on marching.

  44. # rovibe says: September 14, 2010 1:40 PM
    Cowboys? Done. Jets? Done. And now, the Packers are done, too. There go all the trendy Super Bowl picks.
    Wow, you’re killing three teams based off of one game??
    -Jets, I can sort of see bc they traded/cut all their leadership (Rhodes, Jones, Faneca), and that’s tough to recover/replace during the season.
    -Dallas pretty much had their way with Redskins. The marched down the field with reckless abandon. Dallas’ loss was a direct result of poor coaching, and an injured offensive line. Both of those issues are entirely correctable.
    -Packers lost one player, their lead RB, but they are a pass first team anyhow. There’s always another RB out there if a tem needs one bad enough.
    If you really think all three teams are out of play of contention, based on the results of the first game of the season, you really don’t know much about football.

  45. Once again Florio takes a shot at the Packers. Grants loss is not a huge blow to the Packers Superbowl hopes. Most of his yards come late in the season against sub par opponents. I’ve been waiting for Jackson to get on the field more anyway.

  46. Exactlyright 21, you’re an idiot who sounds more than a little jealous that your team doesn’t have the history and prestige that GB has.
    Regarding Grant, mark my words, this will turn out to be a good thing.

  47. Dear Packer Fans:
    Hahahahahahahahahaahah
    Hahahahahahahahahahaah
    Hahahahaahahahahahaaha
    How’s that Superbowl looking now, clowns?

  48. well aint that a shame? hopfully Rodgers is next and with any luck it will be longer than a season…much longer

  49. I don’t get it? Bear fan & Viking fans think this is going to kill the Packers season? Grant maybe the feature back, but he is not who their offense is built around. The last couple years the running game for the Packers stunk. Key players for the Packers would include… Rodgers, Finley, Matthews & Woodson. That could wreck their season. Losing Grant shouldn’t. I guess we’ll all sit back and see who’s right and who’s wrong.

  50. Cowboys and Jets Done? Cowboys will be fine once they get Kosier and Columbo back and the Jets did fine defensively last year without KJ.

  51. Packers lost Robert Brooks week 5 or 6 of 1996 season and it turned out OK…. he was their #1 receiver as well…Freeman stepped up and they brought in Rison.

  52. i can’t believe the number of packer fans suggesting this is a positive and claiming to have been hoping to see more of brandon jackson. have we been watching the same team the past couple years? I don’ think this will kill the team, but this is most certainly not a good thing.

  53. Tough blow guys. While Grant isn’t a “superstar” you guys can’t sit here and say this won’t hurt your team. Well, you do, but, you are being ignorant.
    It hurts the depth at that position, a position for some odd reason you only have Jackson for a back-up.
    This guy is tiny and he won’t be able to take the heavy beating.
    And also, knowing your GM. I would not hold my breath for a trade for Lynch.
    I think it sucks for you guys, I wanted them at full strength when the Vikes swept them again.
    Tell me, Why is it again when the Vikes lose a starter, it’s the end of the world, and they have no chance, yet the Pack loses their startinG RB and it’s ” no big deal”?
    I remember alot of Packer fans talking about “karma”( stupid people thinking).
    Well since you believe in it and a lot of you were wishing injuries on Favre, maybe it just bit your cottage cheese looking asses, huh?

  54. not really a big loss here, he’s good but we can plug in just about anyone for the same numbers.. Promote Jackson who is just as good and pick up a back-up.. no loss.. game on

  55. Lynch? Larry Johnson? A couple different names come to mind. Grant hurts but doesn’t derail the season. In fact, I remember Pack fans thought the season was derailed a few years ago and then they traded for Grant and went 13-3. It will be ok… if TT makes the right move.

  56. People this injury doesnt matter.
    Rex Ryan just said the Packers will lose to the Jets in the Superbowl.
    Packer fans you still have a chance!!
    Kravon
    PFT Director of Content

  57. Contra –
    You’re 0-1…your team cant win on the road….you guys are “rusty”.
    I’d worry about your own team. Good luck this week getting win #1…

  58. I can’t tell you what Ted is thinking right now but I know what I would do without so much a second thought, bring back Ahman Green.
    He already knows the offense, he is in great shape, he doesn’t fumble the football (take note Viking fans, but that is a huge factor in playing for the GB Packers) and unlike any current Packer RB, he is a punishing runner who is capable of breaking tackles.
    I know Ted loves youth on the team but this time, just play the cards that are dealt you and bring him back.

  59. Hey Contra………..Who the hell said the Packers’ Superbowl hopes hinged on Ryan Grant? If anyone said that, they’re an idiot. As a Queen fan, I’m sure you know Grant is only a servicable back.

  60. I can NOT believe what I am reading. This whole time all you Packer fans were riding your Superbowl hopes on Grant and now that he is out you call him a serviceable back AT BEST!? WOW
    _________________________
    You THINK the Packer fans were riding Grant to the superbowl. He had one of the top 5 yards rushed in the last few seasons it does suck, but he can’t play no point in crying about things like injuries and missed calls. GB looks foward.

  61. I am neither a Packers nor a Vikings fan… There is no surprise that Minnesota fans are declaring Grant’s injury as a major blow. (How exactly is going after your rivals a form of trolling?) However, I must admit, I am shocked at how quickly Packers fans are blowing this off. All of a sudden Brandon Jackson – or whoever – was the man all along and Grant was overrated? So, your coaching staff was, for no apparent reason, hiding some secret gem of a running back who had actually earned the starting spot in camp, but was benched in order to play the apparently untalented Grant? Wow. The Packers organization is playing to lose then? Talk about unappreciative fans. I guess his 1200+ yards, decent receiving skills, and good red zone prowess were all just total BS.
    Now I see where Favre got his wishy-washy, self-centered ways. It’s one thing to have hope during tough times, it’s another to kick a man while he is down.

  62. I find it interesting that allot of people are saying “Marshawn Lynch”……as a Bills fan; that would be absolutely nuts if the Bills traded him before this weeks game just to play against…….(you guessed it)….the Packers.
    Funny thing is, I think it’s a natural trade, but Marshawn is in his last contract year and probably wouldn’t demand enough compensation to make it worth the Bills while. Why should we trade him for a fifth or seventh round pick? He’s worth more on the depth chart this year.

  63. JimmySmith says:
    September 14, 2010 2:48 PM
    I can’t tell you what Ted is thinking right now but I know what I would do without so much a second thought, bring back Ahman Green.
    He already knows the offense, he is in great shape, he doesn’t fumble the football (take note Viking fans, but that is a huge factor in playing for the GB Packers) and unlike any current Packer RB, he is a punishing runner who is capable of breaking tackles.
    I know Ted loves youth on the team but this time, just play the cards that are dealt you and bring him back.
    ——————-
    I stated this earlier and I think this is exactly what will happen. he is in shape as he was training with the Omaha UFL team. Welcome back Ahman!

  64. Grulks says: Wow, you’re killing three teams based off of one game??
    ————————————-
    You missed the point, genius. The Jets squandered team chemistry AND placed too uch pressure on themselves. The Cowboys are plenty talented, but continue to show that they lack discipline and are still underachievers. The very fact that they managed to lose a game they should have won underscores my point. That has been their problem for a few years now. And Grant? If you don’t think losing Grant hurts the Packers, YOU don’t know your football. The Packers have a bad offensive line. Grant has been very valuable in picking up blitzes and giving Rodgers a short yardage receiving option when he doesn’t get the time to look downfield. Without him in the game, that offensive line will be even more exposed. You can only let your star QB take so much heat from the defensive line before he goes down with an injury, and with this loss, he will absolutely feel more pressure. I’ll make that bet with you right now if you like.

  65. i hate seeing players get hurt like that. but if someone has to go down, might as well be within your team’s division.
    i wish him a full recovery.

  66. # LBPACKFAN says: September 14, 2010 2:48 PM
    Contra –
    You’re 0-1…your team cant win on the road….you guys are “rusty”.
    I’d worry about your own team. Good luck this week getting win #1…
    ———-
    Yea ok guy, nice try!
    Seriously, lots of teams are 0-1 but lots of teams did not lose their STARTING RB. Lots of teams also do not have an O-line with more holes than swiss cheese. Pathetic that you would point at the Vikings when your own team just got dealt the short end of the stick!

  67. JerkStore says:
    September 14, 2010 2:31 PM
    Kudos to the world class citizens laughing or cheering the injury of someone- well done.
    ——————————–
    ITS FOOTBALL THIS SHIT HAPPENS!!

  68. JimmySmith says: “bring back Ahman Green. He already knows the offense, he is in great shape, he doesn’t fumble the football…”
    ——————————————-
    What? Dude. Check his career stats. He’s a total fumbler! He averages 1 fumble per every 55 carries. Adrian Peterson averages 1 per 46 carries. That’s not a huge difference. If Green had as many carries as Peterson did last year, he would have finished with just one less fumble for the season. Geez.. Now that I think of it, I hope they DO bring him back! That would be great for MN.

  69. How does this mean the end of the Packer’s season? Its arguably not even a huge blow to their run game with Kuhn and Jackson doing a decent job filling in.

  70. JerkStore says:
    “Kudos to the world class citizens laughing or cheering the injury of someone- well done.”
    _______________
    You mean like Packers fans whooped it up about Favre’s ankle… Rice’s hip… Harvins Migraines…
    Ryan Grant is pretty tough, his career is not over.

  71. Well, they knocked two Eagles out for the year and gave two others concussions which will keep them out of at least one game each, if not more. At least the Eagles got one of their guys too.

  72. Grant did well yardage wise. He is a loss. But before you plug in Jackson, and really it better be Jackson because your back-up really should be the guy who replaces your injured starter, and be happy with someone like Green as your back-up, you best consider that if Jackson goes down too you are stuck with Green.
    So adding Lynch or McGahee is what a super bowl dreaming team needs to do. Willie Parker, eh! He could be your 5 play a game back-up, but again, if you need no longer fast Willie to have significant playing time you are quickly a pass ONLY team and not a pass first team.
    The fact they lost Grant in game 1 and not game 15 matters. Much more concern about “what if” and Jackson.

  73. I’m heartened by the malevolence seen in many of the anti-Packer postings — they must be better than I originally believed, as they have many of you running scared.
    please continue with your bitching and ill-will…

  74. You are smoking crack rovibe…..The packers will become more of what they are….pass happy…the Jets were already done. The cowboys on the other hand may not be done just yet. That D is for real. The Vikes are toast. The Saints and Cowboys battle for all the glory this year.

  75. # Mrsteve says: September 14, 2010 3:09 PM
    1200 + yds each of the last 2 yrs
    Why do you hate on your own rb?
    ————
    These ‘fans’ blow off anyone who is no longer of service to them. He was ‘THE MAN’ but now that he is out for the year he apparently was NEVER “THE MAN” Great example of how Packer fans rationalize everything.

  76. Colts had the worst-ranked running game in the league last year and they made the Super Bowl. Losing Ryan Grant does not mean the Packers can’t make it to the SB.
    And I’m not even a Packers fan.

  77. It’s clearly a significant loss, not so much right this moment but more for late November and beyond. That’s when having a big strong “4 yards in a cloud of ice” back is really important. “Snowplow” Kuhn will help somewhat in that area, and Thompson is already addressing the issue in other ways. Packers have lost a wheel, but we’ve got a double-trailer semi, not a bicycle. In other news, it’s looking as if the Vikings have a fallback plan if the move to LA falls through: South Dakota, a place with more of a winning football tradition.

  78. Cowboys? Done. Jets? Done. And now, the Packers are done, too. There go all the trendy Super Bowl picks.
    I think it’s safe to say the Vikings are done too, and so are the Colts. Wow…..I hate these 1 game seasons, everything happens so quickly.
    Idiot.

  79. Next man up!
    Oh oh…..Packers are down to their last man.
    Why keep 3 ….THREE FBs when you go 4 wide a lot but keep only 2 HB in a league where injuries happen to guys that carry the ball a whole bunch.
    Just don’t agree with that move, Mr. Thompson.

  80. philbirds says:
    September 14, 2010 2:38 PM
    lol @ someone trying to say the Bears (Urlacher especially) are relevant in this story’s comments
    _______________________________
    Yup, that was me.
    Let me connect the dots for you (and hopefully your Down’s Syndrome won’t prevent you from understanding the bigger picture):
    This is a story about injuries–a discussion about the effect of injuries on a team’s fortunes is highly relevant. Hell, it’s the discussion at hand, isn’t it?
    See, in football, there are these groupings called “divisions”–groups of 4 teams that play each other twice every season. The team that does the best in each division goes to the playoffs.
    The Packers and the Bears happen to be in the same division.
    Are you still with me? Good. Here’s a juicebox. Now hang in there, I’m almost done, then we’ll mop up that drool, adjust your helmet, and let you go watch some Thomas the Tank Engine or something.
    Brian Urlacher-who plays on the Bears-was injured in the opening week of the season.
    Ryan Grant–who plays on the Packers–was injured in the opening week of THIS season.
    Both are key players on their respective teams.
    Both were injured in week one (Urlacher’s injury came AGAINST Green Bay, in fact).
    Both were lost for the season.
    Both play in the same division.
    Both probably dip their meat swords into your mom on Saturday nights.
    Is that enough “relevance” for ya?
    Good, now back to Thomas and suckin that juicebox, boy.

  81. I never once said losing Grant wasnt a big deal…it happened…its unfortunate…we will miss him…best of luck to his recovery…we just need to find someone else to fill the void…just like we did in 1996 at WR when we lost Robert Brooks (we went onto win the Super Bowl…the Super Bowl is winning it all…for you Vikes fans scratching your heads)…2nd year Freeman stepped up huge and we brought in Rison…who caught a nice TD grab first drive for Pack in Super Bowl… (again, for Vikes fans, that’s the last game of the playoffs…the championship game…they reward the winning team with the “Lombardi” trophy…Lombardi was a coach for the Packers who won the first 2 Super Bowls).
    GO PACK!

  82. To all you Pack fans that say Favre will get crushed,broken and killed……bad karma hit you back eh?
    I don’t wish Grants injury, you will all use it as another excuse why the Vikings murdered you….
    he really isn’t a big deal anyhow….

  83. Let me just remind the Packer faithful that you brought these Vikings fan bashings on this topic on yourselves. After being on this site for over a year now, I’ve seen plenty of ridiculous comparisons by the “best fan base in the NFL” that Ryan Grant is better than Adrian Peterson, so you’re the ones who built this guy up, not us. Saying this won’t have impact on your team, is hypocritical, based on your own statements about Ryan and how great of a runningback he is.
    That being said, I wish the man well and hope to see him on the field getting crushed by our front 4 and open field tackled by Winfield again very soon!

  84. LBPACKFAN says:
    September 14, 2010 2:43 PM
    Packers lost Robert Brooks week 5 or 6 of 1996 season and it turned out OK…. he was their #1 receiver as well…Freeman stepped up and they brought in Rison.
    ———
    or… losing Edgar Bennett in ’97, Dorsey Levens steps in and contributes on the way to another SB appearance. Levens ended up being pretty good for a number of years.

  85. Too bad for Grant. This is the nature of pro football. Now why does the NFL want to expand the season to 18 games? Watering down the product won’t make it any better.

  86. GBfanForever says:
    September 14, 2010 2:39 PM
    @CanadianVikingFa n
    thanks for being a better than most of your other fellow viking fans
    Agreed.

  87. James JOHNSON?
    Do you even care about the NFL, Florio?
    JAMES STARKS is the kid’s name.
    Do a little research, it could go a long way.
    Nothing changes – the Pack marches on.

  88. RC IV says:
    September 14, 2010 2:44 PM
    Tough blow guys. While Grant isn’t a “superstar” you guys can’t sit here and say this won’t hurt your team. Well, you do, but, you are being ignorant. (AGREE…This hurts the team. Jackson does pass block very well, but this sets the stage for no one to take the running game as seriously)
    (DISAGREE…somewhat. Grant has led the NFL
    It hurts the depth at that position, a position for some odd reason you only have Jackson for a back-up. (AGREED…but Starks will be back and have both their jobs.)
    This guy is tiny and he won’t be able to take the heavy beating. (DISAGREE…Jackson weighs 6 pounds less is 3-1/2 years younger an 2 inches shorter….built like Ray Rice)
    I will stand by the fact that I think there is a very limited chance that Favre finishes the season with the streak intact. In no way am I rooting for the guy to get crushed…I just think he’ll take too much of a beating. Judging by what I’ve watched already this week, Dallas, Washington, Philly, Green Bay, NY Jets, Bears, and Lions defenses are going to bring ALOT of hurt to some people this year…I’m worried for my own young gun, better yet an old QB with a bad wheel and he was never Mr. Speed anyway. If Chilly let’s him stay in some games, it may be the end for him. As far as injuries….the best D and the healthiest teams are the ones that are there in the end. No onw knows who that is anyway.

  89. Serviceable??? Are you a jackass! Back to back 1200 yard seasons, over 4 yards a pop. 3,457 yards yards in 3 seasons as the starter is more then serviceable. Add another 458 receiving and 24 total tds. Thats 2 full seasons and a partial season. Not to bad at all. Top 5 back in the league no, but top 10-15 yes.

  90. Two weeks ago Packer fans would brag about their 1200+ yard sure handed running back. But now that he’s out they dismiss the loss as negligible.
    Gotta love those slacker fans. NEVER GIVE AN INCH! ALL IS WELL ALWAYS!
    With that said I personally believe running back is a fairly over rated position unless you have a really good one. I’ve always thought Grant was over rated and now we’ll probably get to see if that is actually true. Sometimes you don’t know what you had until it is gone.

  91. Brandon Jackson has 2nd round pick talent. How does this invalidate any superbowl predictions? If anything, this could be a blessing in disguise.

  92. I’ve never ran into any Packer fan that would have said, “Ryan Grant is THE MAN.” Contra is an idiot.

  93. Contra….I find it so funny that Vikings fans speak of Packer fans rationalizing things poorly….when you and your team blame everything that goes wrong with them on everything and everyone else.
    Lets see, Vikings lose in NFC Championship game = lets blame the refs, Katrina, late hits on Favre, no calls, not enough time in the game cause “the Vikings had better stats.
    Vikings lose last week = lets blame the refs again (sounds good), no calls, rusty Favre (no mention of him skipping training camp, injuries, blah blah blah.
    See how stupid you look……..
    The Packers will have to adapt like any other team….but since they pass 75% of the time anyway, it is not as big of a blow.
    BTW, what contingency plan do the Vikings have for when Favre goes down…or retires? Hmmmmm.

  94. RC IV says:
    September 14, 2010 2:44 PM
    This guy is tiny and he won’t be able to take the heavy beating.
    —————
    Brandon Jackson: 5’10” 216
    Albert Young: 5’10” 209

  95. I go back to a Monday night game in 1996 where Green Bay hosted San Fran, they were also a trendy pick for the Super Bowl and they lost their top WR Robert Brooks for the season, went on to win the game and tell me again what happened? Less than thrilled that Grant is out for the year but not overly worried about it. We will rally around Brandon Jackson and we will play good football. As to the jackhole vikings fans who take pleasure in this you are somewhere on the evolutionary scale between dog shit and dick trail.

  96. # Majik Bullet says: September 14, 2010 2:30 PM
    It’s truly a shame he has to miss the season, never wish this stuff on any player. Hopefully he can recover and make it back on the field at 100% next year.
    But I am left to ponder, how many of you Packer fans downplaying this as no big deal, are the same ones who were on here this offseason telling us how much better Grant was than AD?
    now you’re just talking out of your ass majik…. no one in his/her right mind would say grant was better than ap. someone might have said that they’d rather run grant with a lead late in the 4th quarter over ap because of ap’s little issue holding on to the rock.

  97. rovibe says:
    September 14, 2010 1:40 PM
    Cowboys? Done. Jets? Done. And now, the Packers are done, too. There go all the trendy Super Bowl picks.
    Who does that leave ? Vikings hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  98. # bayareavike says: September 14, 2010 1:41 PM
    🙂
    ——————————————————
    Such a simple post speaks volumes about what classless trash you are.

  99. JimmySmith says:
    September 14, 2010 2:48 PM
    I can’t tell you what Ted is thinking right now but I know what I would do without so much a second thought, bring back Ahman Green.
    He already knows the offense, he is in great shape, he doesn’t fumble the football (take note Viking fans, but that is a huge factor in playing for the GB Packers)…
    _______________
    Green not a fumbler? Remember that stupid rubber sleeve he always wore that the team would blame it on? Then he took it off and still fumbled. Seriously, from 2000-2004, his 5 best seasons in GB, he fumbled a total of 29 times, almost 6 a year. Do you even think before you post, or just spew out the first random words you can jumble together?

  100. Str8CashHomie says:
    September 14, 2010 4:40 PM
    Brandon Jackson has 2nd round pick talent. How does this invalidate any superbowl predictions? If anything, this could be a blessing in disguise.
    ____________________
    Is his 2nd round talent kind of like Brian Brohm’s 2nd round talent?
    And mudduck, this offseason, there were plenty of you homers preaching how Grant was just as good or better than AD. I’m sure RC, Contra, and Perv will back this up for me.
    As for you ACS2, what RC was referring to by the beating was how he didn’t think Jackson was equipped to take the beating of an every down back. You comparing him to Young is foolish, considering he isn’t being asked to carry the load.
    I can see where RC is coming from with his point. I mean, Jackson wasn’t deemed capable of carrying the full load in college, why would he be able to at the next level? I’m not saying he can’t, but I would be looking to add another capable back, probably someone a little less washed up than Green as well.

  101. Hope Brandon Jackson can get it done, otherwise we could be in for a long year and a lot of turnovers if we’re constantly throwing. The season is young though, we’ll get it figured out. It sucks losing Ryan Grant though, he was just getting started in that game when he went down, I wish him a full recovery.
    I do find this hilarious how Packer and Viking fans totally flipped on Ryan Grant. Before the season the Vikings fans said he was worthless, now they talk like the Packers season is over. Packer fans talked about how reliable he was and now act like this doesn’t hurt us. Both teams provide us with some of the most annoying posters on this site!

  102. Majik Bullet says: And mudduck, this offseason, there were plenty of you homers preaching how Grant was just as good or better than AD. I’m sure RC, Contra, and Perv will back this up for me.
    ————————————————–
    That a big 10 4 Majik…..they said Grant was the bomb, too bad he blew up!

  103. oh yah lest add 2 more games to the schedule so more scrubs can play in the nfl! more games = more injuries….

  104. This is great. It gives the Vikings fans false hope. I truely feel bad for Grant- but he’ll get a well earned SB ring at the end of the season just like the 53 on the roster and Justin Harrell. While this loss hurts a little- it’s gonna take a HELL of a lot more to bring the Packers down. Losing a slightly above average tail back isn’t the end of the world. The Packers are a leathal passing team which will pave the way for B-Jax to put up respectable numbers. I actually like Brandon Jackson better than Grant in a couple of ways. He’s better than grant at blocking and catching. Maybe not quite the down hill runner as Grant- but shiftier. All is not lost Packer Nation!

  105. this does hurt the Packers some.. you Vikings fans make me laugh.. get back to us when you have won 12 world championships including 3 Super Bowls.. cause you guys have never won a damn thing that matters.

  106. LMAO!!! All you Packer tards are back peddling so fast… IT’S FUNNY HOW NOW AFTER HE’S INJURED THAT HE WAS NEVER THAT GOOD ANYHOW, BLAH BLAH BLAH, Brandon Jackson won’t do a damn thing… Have fun winning one more game all year. Keep beating your wives

  107. Charles Wood says: I actually like Brandon Jackson better than Grant in a couple of ways.
    ————————————————–
    LMAO!! You pukes have no other choice now…he is your gay,I mean guy
    AD is the only royalty in the North at back….rest just functionable..

  108. I’m sorry to hear about Ryan Grant. However, this did allow me to pick up the awesome beast that is Brandon Jackson for free in 90% of my fantasy leagues. Ha ha ha ha I love being self-employed.

  109. Jackson handled most of the load Sunday.
    Starks is waiting in the wings.
    The Packers will not be slowed down.

  110. Let me just remind the Packer faithful that you brought these Vikings fan bashings on this topic on yourselves. After being on this site for over a year now, I’ve seen plenty of ridiculous comparisons by the “best fan base in the NFL” that Ryan Grant is better than Adrian Peterson, so you’re the ones who built this guy up, not us. Saying this won’t have impact on your team, is hypocritical, based on your own statements about Ryan and how great of a runningback he is.
    —————
    seperate the facts..
    Fact 1.. Ryan Grant and AP had basically the same numbers with Grant not turning the ball over All Day. So that argument is there.
    Fact 2.. grants good, not great.. with our O Jackson should be able to put up just as good numbers because he is a better receiver and that will make up for the drop in Run yards..
    So yes, i think they can argue both ways. tyvm

  111. RC IV is a stupid little girl.
    Get off your phone and the free internet the drive through is backing up.
    Loser.

  112. Boob Nelson says:
    Jackson handled most of the load Sunday.
    ————————————————–
    Expert analysis, Capt. Obvious!!!!!!

  113. Bob Nelson says:
    September 14, 2010 6:03 PM
    Jackson handled most of the load Sunday.
    ————————————————–
    handling “the load” is a current trend among Packers…just ask Rodgers and Thompson their favorite flavor

  114. Majik Butt–
    Now you are just making sh!t up. I did say that Grant had a better year last year than AP. I believe his y/c were better and he wasn’t fumbling the ball away all day. On top of that….AP is a horrendous pass blocker.
    That being said, Grant is no AP.
    There will be a drop-off, but not much. Their problem right now is depth. They only have one half back on their roster. They will pick somebody up this week to use as a back-up. Then they’ll hope the rookie on the PUP list can help out too. I don’t see much of a drop-off. Don’t know if you watched the game, but Jackson looked pretty decent against a good Philly defense.
    Bottom line…..the Packers won a tough NFC road game. The Vikings lost a tough NFC road game.
    Advantage……Packers!

  115. Btw I think Brandon Jackson will be every bit as effective as Ryan Grant and Green Bay is a passing team anyway.

  116. Bob Nelson says:
    September 14, 2010 6:03 PM
    Jackson handled most of the load Sunday.
    ————————————————–
    Did Ted Thompson handle most of Jorge’s load Sunday??

  117. Let me start by saying that I am a die hard Vikings fan.
    I can not believe that Packer fans are clamoring that Ryan Grant is only a “decent” or merely “servicable”. It’s utterly absurd to think that. While you may be a pass first team this certainly affects your squad. You have lost out on a guy that has rushed for nearly 2,500 yards the last two years. You are replacing him with a guy who has a career rushing total of 689 yards. While I don’t think that it is the end of the season this will affect your chances the rest of the season whether you want to admit it or not. It WILL put more pressure on Rodgers who really hasn’t shown that he can handle the pressure. It also puts pressre on that offensive line to keep Rodgers upright. Something that they didin’t show they could do last year and in game one this year against Philly. And as a few Packer fans have admitted if Rodgers goes down you might as well call it a season.
    While it’s never good to cheer for a guy to get hurt… as a fan you have to think that it helps my teams chances as a Vikings fan. The Packers will be more one dimensional unless Jackson is the God send that everyone seems to think he is. It’s going to be more of a struggle than I’m sure any Packer fan will want to admit to.

  118. @GBFanForever
    You said, “The packers have more fans across the country, and world, than just about any team in the league. I know that’s tough to hear for you but its true.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Keep telling yourself that. Your team has fewer fans on Facebook than the Vikings – by like 130K – which is the only way we can truly tell, I guess since people have to actively “Like” the official page. Packers ~ 381,000 fans; Vikings ~ 504,000 fans.
    Try again.

  119. My comment didn’t get posted earlier… so I’ll try again.
    Packer fans are delusional… So losing your #1 RB isn’t that big of a deal, and it gets rationalized because you are a passing team?
    A pass heavy offense that’s about to get more predictable and one-sided doesn’t help anyone but your opponents… Your O-line can’t pass block well enough for Rodgers’ hold the ball too long a la Big Ben style, as the Eagles proved.
    Furthermore, Vick was destroying you’re defense. Welcome to 8-8…
    P.S. BWAHAHAHAHAH at VikingsPrincess for using Facebook to compare anything at all besides who is more annoying, my guess is you would be pretty high on that list.

  120. Super Bowl—we talking about the super bowl? Grant is just another roid raged non-skilled north and south RB. Jackson is a better fit for this system, however, he is nothing special either. They need to find someone or the gray purple fox and the Vikings are for sure going to take this division AGAIN.

  121. VikingsPrincess says:
    September 14, 2010 7:24 PM
    @GBFanForever
    You said, “The packers have more fans across the country, and world, than just about any team in the league. I know that’s tough to hear for you but its true.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~
    Keep telling yourself that. Your team has fewer fans on Facebook than the Vikings – by like 130K – which is the only way we can truly tell, I guess since people have to actively “Like” the official page. Packers ~ 381,000 fans; Vikings ~ 504,000 fans.
    Try again.
    ————————————————–
    BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA! True… but 2 seasons ago we had you by a quarter mill darlin’. That equates to 380K Favre fans. Try again twat.

  122. # VikingsPrincess says: September 14, 2010 7:24 PM
    @GBFanForever
    You said, “The packers have more fans across the country, and world, than just about any team in the league. I know that’s tough to hear for you but its true.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~
    Keep telling yourself that. Your team has fewer fans on Facebook than the Vikings – by like 130K – which is the only way we can truly tell, I guess since people have to actively “Like” the official page. Packers ~ 381,000 fans; Vikings ~ 504,000 fans.
    Try again.
    ————————————————
    Oh, Princess…. Packer fans rate their fan base on season ticket waiting list, not Facebook page. Although I’d dearly love to know where the part of across the country and the world came from…. And now you opened up other Vikings fans to make jokes about how Packers fans can’t figure out how to use the internet, so the Packers fans will retaliate with they have lives and don’t waste time with social networking….
    Have I covered this one? Good. Let’s skip it then. This promises to be one of those arguments that makes other team’s fans come make fun of both of our teams.

  123. As a Packer fan, I’m not gonna lie: losing Grant hurts our offense, and it’s not OK to start second guessing or knocking the guy now that he’s down.
    And, let’s also be honest and say that, while a solid RB, Grant can’t change a game single handed, nor does he pose the threat go all the way every time he touches ball. But, A. Peterson does. Grant’s injury, and the curious way Peterson seemed to be under-utilized against NO last week will make for an interesting season for both teams.

  124. It really is a tough break for Grant. AND for the Packers! I’m a little ashamed about those who are saying no big deal, he wasn’t that good…. Way to make the guy feel special and wanted. I just hope he isn’t reading this. And Jackson? Hey, maybe you’re right, he’ll be a great fit and the Pack won’t miss a beat. But here, from the outside looking in, I see teams that have two backs of equal talent sharing snaps, and I see Grant taking most of them in GB and Jackson watching most of the games, so don’t try to tell me that Jackson is just as good or better. While I never bought into the theory that Grant is as good as Peterson, he still doesn’t deserve to be dismissed like that. He is a good, productive back, and while this can be overcome, he will be missed this year.
    BTW… the guy who said Green doesn’t fumble…. Whoops!! In his 6 years as the Packers feature back, 33 fumbles and 22 lost.

  125. Bob Nelson says:
    Jackson handled most of the load Sunday.
    Starks is waiting in the wings.
    The Packers will not be slowed down.
    ____________
    Yes, that’s it… We will replace 1200+ yd rushers with practice squad players, and that won’t slow us down one bit!
    Does Ted pay you to put this whale dung out to the world like he does Ari Fleischer and Mike Vandermause?
    If not, you’re getting a raw deal. It’s not like anyone actually believes it..

  126. Whoever called Brandon Jackson a poor man’s Bryan Westbrook is off their rocker. They are completely different if in “poor man’s” terms. Grant’s injury is huge but Jackson should be able to do a serviceable job until they can pick up another RB to share the load or wait to see what James Starks is capable of doing. The one thing that Jackson has going for him is that he is very good at blitz pickup meaning that GB can continue to play focused on its passing game and not miss a beat, perhaps even better off, in terms of pass protection.
    If not trade a conditional draft pick to Buffalo. Start it at a 5th and have it be worth as much as a 2nd if he gains 1,000 and GB makes it to the dance…

  127. 1. Losing a starter is never good, but the Packers have to move forward.
    2. Grant was good, but he is replaceable.
    3. Jackson is serviceable and Kuhn might surprise some people. Hard runner who keeps his legs moving. Reminds me of a poor mans Mike Alstott.
    4. We are only in week 2, there is a lot of football left and anything can happen……
    5. I am not trying to be biased or “ignorant”, but whoever thinks the Packers are done because of Grant’s injury is an idiot……or just trolling so i pretty much just ignore those comments….
    6. I have been a fan of this site for over 5 years and each day it is becoming harder and harder to come back. I come on PFT for entertaining football “news”. I only take the “rumors” Florio and Co. start semi-serious and even that has not made me stop coming back. The ONE thing that has been bothering me are the “ignorant” posts by “fans”….
    I literally have to “weed” out the good ones from the bad ones….. About 15-20% of the posters know their stuff…..
    7. Pervy and his merry bunch of queenies, do you people not work? And i do not mean “owning your own businesses”……. Because you guys sure spend a lot of time on here looking like idiots bashing the Packers…. I know we have our own “idiot fans” too, but Queen fans have to be the worst out there with the Eagle fans coming in a close 2nd…. 1 half? Get real…. Half of you losers ran McNabb out of town…
    OK i am done…. Go Pack Go!

  128. Majik Bullet says:
    September 14, 2010 5:09 PM
    As for you ACS2, what RC was referring to by the beating was how he didn’t think Jackson was equipped to take the beating of an every down back. You comparing him to Young is foolish, considering he isn’t being asked to carry the load.
    I can see where RC is coming from with his point. I mean, Jackson wasn’t deemed capable of carrying the full load in college, why would he be able to at the next level? I’m not saying he can’t, but I would be looking to add another capable back, probably someone a little less washed up than Green as well.
    ———–
    Oh, Jackson isn’t equipped to take the beating of an every down back, huh? OK. What about these guys?
    Chris Johnson – 5’11” – 191 lbs
    Brian Westbrook – 5’10” – 203 lbs
    DeAngelo Williams – 5’9″ – 217 lbs
    Are those guys “equipped to take the beating of an every down back”? I seem to remember a lot of queens fans calling Ted Thompson an idiot for failing to sign Westbrook.
    Oh, and Jackson wasn’t deemed capable of carrying the full load in college? Except for that year he ran the ball 188 times and was named All Big 12 1st team?

  129. “Facebook Pages of Fellow PFT Posters In Their Own Words”
    -by Drunk Ruvell
    Pervy- I am Facebook buddies with Zygi and Brett. They message me all the time.
    FoF- Favre has the greatest Facebook page of all-time. I am scrolling through it right now with my left hand. Guess what my right is doing?
    Contra- I have 42,000,000 friends on Facebook and they all asked me to be their friend.
    Gravy- I’ve banged all of the chicks that are my Facebook friends. All of them. But don’t ask them, they don’t know you anyway. They all live in Canada anyway, so don’t bother asking them, please.
    RCIV- I hate Facebook and anyone who has an account is gay. True, I have a Facebook account…but..you’re a hypocrite!
    I’ll stop cuz this is getting pulled anyway, like all of my posts lately.

  130. Contra says:
    I can NOT believe what I am reading. This whole time all you Packer fans were riding your Superbowl hopes on Grant and now that he is out you call him a serviceable back AT BEST!?
    Riding our SB hopes on Grant? Have you been hitting the pipe or something? The Packers have been a pass-first offense since McCarthy’s arrival (not my preference, BTW). Grant may have ran for 1200+ yards the last two seasons, but that is due to the occasional breakout for major yardage, and not because GB has been able to establish a dominant running game.
    I concur that I’d prefer Grant over Jackson, but to think this effectively ends the season is ridiculous. Losing AP would certainly kill your season (even moreso than letting him play in (i.e. fumble away) Championship games), but unlike the Queens, the Packers are stacked with more than one good receiver on offense. McCarthy mainly uses the running game to kill the clock in the 4th, which Jackson is more than capable of doing.

  131. Don’t worry about VikingsPrincess… she thinks Minneapolis is a mecca of culture because they have a WNBA team.
    But hey, she’s a Facebook fan of the Vikings! Wow… amazing.

  132. Speaking as a lifetime Packer fan (who ALSO follows Brett Favre and the Vikings – I like them both) these are the times that frustrate us Packer fans… NOW is a good time for Ted Thompson to be PROACTIVE and go to one of the teams with 3 good running backs (Dallas, Baltimore and Buffalo come to mind) and make an offer! Dallas will probably NOT trade within conference (although New England just did with Maroney) to deal Barber, but, we need to check if MaGahee or Lynch could be had for … oh, maybe a 4th rounder plus either TE Donald Lee or A.J. Hawk (don’t know who wants that big contract)! How ironic, the NFC North could be determined by which GM makes a move: Will Packers get a running back (a good one like Lynch or MaGahee or Barber or one of Seattle’s 3) or will the Vikings get Vincent Jackson?!? We can all hate on Brett Favre (dumb in off-season, good during season) but, the Packers haven’t done anything major beyond the draft since they got Woodson (great pickup) almost 4 years ago! Okay, I don’t trash the Packers OR Vikings like others do, but, it will be interesting: WHO moves first, Z. Wilf for Vikings to get V-Jax or T. Thompson for Packers to bring in a 500+ yard back like Lynch, Barber or McGahee! Glad I got SUNDAY TICKET to watch both teams!!!! BRING THE POPCORN!!!!!1

  133. ACS2 says:
    Oh, Jackson isn’t equipped to take the beating of an every down back, huh? OK. What about these guys?
    Chris Johnson – 5’11” – 191 lbs
    Brian Westbrook – 5’10” – 203 lbs
    DeAngelo Williams – 5’9″ – 217 lbs
    Are those guys “equipped to take the beating of an every down back”? I seem to remember a lot of queens fans calling Ted Thompson an idiot for failing to sign Westbrook.
    Oh, and Jackson wasn’t deemed capable of carrying the full load in college? Except for that year he ran the ball 188 times and was named All Big 12 1st team?
    ______________
    Really, that’s what you come up with? Where to begin? Chris Johnson is a different breed of back, he is quick and fast, Jackson is neither of those. And do you think it’s coincidence that when every pundit talks about what he can do, they safeguard their prediction by saying “if he stays healthy.”
    Westbrook was never a “feature ball carrier.” He rushed for over 1,000 yards twice in 8 years, and was injured constantly, he’s never played a full season. Way to help prove our point. And the people calling Ted an idiot for not signing him weren’t saying he should have been an every down guy, just a third down back. Try to keep up.
    DeAngelo William? Yeah, Carolina was so confident in this guy shouldering the load, they went and used a first rounder on another back, and they both share the load.
    As for Jackson being named All Big 12, awesome. He carried it 188 times in one season, over 14 games. That’s a whopping 13 carries a game, and he failed to reach 1,000 yards. That’s a pretty light load.

  134. Oh, now you’re backtracking.. How cute. “Chris Johnson doesn’t count.. He’s different. Brian Westbrook doesn’t count. They used him differently.”
    Chris Johnson carried the ball 358 times last season. Are you trying to tell me he didn’t take any hits? The guy is listed at one inch taller and 25 pounds lighter than Jackson. But he’s special, so he doesn’t count?
    Westbrook wasn’t a “feature ball carrier”? That’s funny. Looks to me like he lead the team in carries and rushing yardage for 6 years straight, not to mention catching about 50-60 balls out of the backfield each season. If that’s not “featured” I guess I don’t know what is.
    And I couldn’t care less what Carolina decided to do in the draft. Are you saying Minnesota had no confidence in Cris Carter and Jake Reed when they drafted Randy Moss? Williams has averaged over 5 yards per carry in his career and he has 1/4 the fumbles AP has.
    Bottom line: Brandon Jackson could get injured again. Sure, he could. So could Peterson. It’s not like he doesn’t have an extensive injury history. Anyone could get injured, that’s the nature of the game. But to assume Jackson is too small to take the beating, as you did, is asinine. He’s an average-sized NFL back. Hell, he’s even the same weight as Adrian Peterson. He’s just shorter. Doesn’t that make him more compact?
    And last time I checked, the big guys get injured too. Remember what happened to Leonard Weaver in week 1? Remember Brandon Jacobs? Those are big guys.

  135. That’s too bad for the Packers, but on the bright side – one of the easiest positions that can be filled is RB.. the Broncos a few years ago can attest to that.

  136. ACS2
    There’s just no arguing with such stupidity and homerism. It’s quite clear RC was right, and you fools just believe that no matter what random guy gets plugged in, he’s an automatic Pro Bowler. You defend Westbrook as an every down back, yet fail to acknowledege how he got hury every single season.
    And yes, CJ is a special case. But everyone’s biggest fear with him is his durability, whether his body wil hold up. But I digress, I would probably have better luck debating with my 2 year old son. He at least listens to reason once in a while, and has the ability to realize when he’s wrong. It’s just sad that I can have more meaningful conversation with a child who still defecates in his pants.

  137. that hurts (no pun intended). he was a big part of the offense, maybe not in stats, but in trying to at least attempt to keep it balanced.

  138. Take heart Brew.
    ACS2 not only defecates in his pants, but he has on more than one occasion wanted to mail it to people. I know you probably aren’t into that sort of thing(who would be), but he may be able to be reasoned with.
    ACS2:
    You are being obtuse and you know it.
    You know that Buckhalter and whoever else was in Philly shared carries with Westbrook.
    You know that Stewart and Williams share carries in Carolina. 221-216 last year.
    You know Johnson is a rare physical speciman with god given talents, just like all day is.
    You also know that Grant out up 282 and 312 carries the last 2 years.
    Jackson is not that type of back, he wasn’t in college. He hasn’t been in the pros. If he was good enough, there would be no need of going and getting Grant. hell before grant got there he was at 3.5 ypc.
    I don’t care if you clowns are a pass 1st team or not, you HAVE to have some sort of running game. If you don’t you are going to face alot of 7 man coverage. With that O-line, 4 will be suffcient to get to GayRod.
    You don’t lose 1200 yards rushing and call it no big deal, unless you are a Packer fan.
    Keep hoping this doesn’t have any effect.
    I’d say you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see what fills up 1st.
    But you’d probably take that in the literal sense and want to mail me the results……

  139. Hold your horses Packer Nation. Just a rumor but… Uncle Teddy may be trying to work a trade with Jerry Jones. I’ve read in 2 seperate Packer chat forums that the deal could be Marion Barber and a 7th rd pick for a player and a 4th rd pick. I know the Boys need an o-lineman but who could GB part with??

  140. The Packers are screwed….already a one dimensional offense with the loss of their starting back. Rodgers will be lucky to see game 5, chase the muppet until he throws a pick or sack his candy ass….

  141. Pervy H. says:
    September 15, 2010 2:52 PM
    The Packers are screwed….already a one dimensional offense with the loss of their starting back. Rodgers will be lucky to see game 5, chase the muppet until he throws a pick or sack his candy ass….
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    You’ve got about as much intelligence as a vaginal blood fart. The Packers have the most leathal, most FEARED passing attack in the sport, which will open up a running game for any body they put back there.

  142. I’ve read in 2 seperate Packer chat forums
    =============================
    My God!!!!
    ” I heard in fan talk chat rooms”…….
    Yo were close to being irrelevant before, way to tip the scale to all the way.
    Cheese turd.

  143. RC IV— You sir, are an ass hat. Ryan Grant was not that good. He was very limited talent-wise, but always produced great numbers because of his role in such an explosive offense. The drop-off between Grant and Brandon Jackson isn’t very steep. In fact, Jackson is the superior pass-catcher, so having him on the field more often could help the Packers. It is also not a crime to report a rumor that I heard… so go take a shit in both hands.
    My advice to “yo” RC IV: Pull your bottom lip over your tiny head and swallow. It would make the world a better place to blog.

  144. Charles Wood says:
    You’ve got about as much intelligence as a vaginal blood fart. The Packers have the most leathal, most FEARED passing attack in the sport, which will open up a running game for any body they put back there.
    ____________________
    You mean the passing attack that racked up 167 yards, 2 picks, and 3 sacks? That’s the most lethal, feared passing attack in the league?
    That’s almost as stupid as someone believing what they hear in a GB chat forum…

  145. # Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 4:40 PM
    Charles Wood says:
    You’ve got about as much intelligence as a vaginal blood fart. The Packers have the most leathal, most FEARED passing attack in the sport, which will open up a running game for any body they put back there.
    ____________________
    You mean the passing attack that racked up 167 yards, 2 picks, and 3 sacks? That’s the most lethal, feared passing attack in the league?
    That’s almost as stupid as someone believing what they hear in a GB chat forum…
    ——-
    Nice one Majik!
    Yea, that passing attack strikes the fear of the Almighty just the same way as a salad does in Wisconsin.

  146. Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 4:40 PM
    You mean the passing attack that racked up 167 yards, 2 picks, and 3 sacks? That’s the most lethal, feared passing attack in the league?
    ——————————————————–
    You forgot a key stat.

  147. Keep telling yourself that. Your team has fewer fans on Facebook than the Vikings – by like 130K – which is the only way we can truly tell, I guess since people have to actively “Like” the official page. Packers ~ 381,000 fans; Vikings ~ 504,000 fans.
    Try again.
    _________________________________
    Packers have a 30 year waiting list to get season tickets. So while Viking fans may be more willing to CLICK A MOUSE, GB fans wait half thier life for a chance to get season tickets.
    There is NOTHING Packers or thier fans can do to fix Grant before next year. So instead of dwelling on it, Packer fans are hoping that Jackson will do well, and the passing game will improve and, make Grants injury a non-factor.

  148. # Charles Wood says: September 15, 2010 3:21 PM
    Pervy H. says:
    September 15, 2010 2:52 PM
    The Packers are screwed….already a one dimensional offense with the loss of their starting back. Rodgers will be lucky to see game 5, chase the muppet until he throws a pick or sack his candy ass….
    ——————– ——————– ———
    You’ve got about as much intelligence as a vaginal blood fart. The Packers have the most leathal, most FEARED passing attack in the sport, which will open up a running game for any body they put back there.
    ————————————————–
    Really? I thought it was New Orleans….. Silly me.

  149. mattgso says:
    September 15, 2010 5:30 PM
    Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 4:40 PM
    You mean the passing attack that racked up 167 yards, 2 picks, and 3 sacks? That’s the most lethal, feared passing attack in the league?
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    You forgot a key stat.
    __________________
    You’re right. Rodgers had a QB rating of 73.

  150. # Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 6:20 PM
    You’re right. Rodgers had a QB rating of 73.
    ——————————————————–
    and the “W”

  151. mattgso says:
    September 15, 2010 6:43 PM
    # Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 6:20 PM
    You’re right. Rodgers had a QB rating of 73.
    —————– ——————– ——————-
    and the “W”
    _______________
    Yes, they got the W, but the topic was some fool’s opinion that GB has the most lethal, feared passing game in the league, not who won the game. So pointing out the win wasn’t pertinent to the topic of GB’s “lethal” passing attack, the only ones required would be, you guessed it, passing stats.
    But let’s use your logic of “they got the W, so the passing game must be awesome.” The Chiefs had 62 total passing yards, but got the W so that means they also have the most lethal, most feared passing attack in the league.
    Is your own level of ignorance starting to sink in yet, or do I need to keep making you look foolish for a while longer before you get it?

  152. Majik Bullet says: September 15, 2010 8:28 PM
    But let’s use your logic of “they got the W, so the passing game must be awesome.”
    ——————————————————
    When you make an incorrect assumption, anything after that assumption is of no consequence.

  153. Majik….
    Was it mattgso or Charles Wood you were trying to make look stupid? Because Woody does a pretty good job all by himself….
    I say we give Matt the benefit of the doubt and assume he is just concerned about the win and not the type to go spouting inaccurate nonsense through the bottom of his cheese-shaped beer mug.
    Hey Mattgso, don’t make me look stupid for saying that, k?

  154. I say my Cowboys should trade Marion Barber or Choice to the Pack, for a 3rd round draft pick. Then when we pick OL in the first 3 rounds, maybe we can hit on at least one of them!!!!!!

  155. Majik Bullet says:
    September 15, 2010 8:28 PM
    But let’s use your logic of “they got the W, so the passing game must be awesome.”
    Is your own level of ignorance starting to sink in yet, or do I need to keep making you look foolish for a while longer before you get it?
    —————————————–
    Take a stance and stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.
    Either stats matter or they don’t. When Packer fans speak of Rodgers’ stats, you say they are meaningless because he didn’t win. The next statement out of your mouth is then how good faver did in his stats in the season he threw away a super bowl.
    You are inferring that I believe a win equals unstoppable offense in an attempt to support your weak argument.

  156. Brewdogg says:
    September 16, 2010 12:31 AM
    Majik….
    Was it mattgso or Charles Wood you were trying to make look stupid? Because Woody does a pretty good job all by himself….
    I say we give Matt the benefit of the doubt and assume he is just concerned about the win and not the type to go spouting inaccurate nonsense through the bottom of his cheese-shaped beer mug.
    Hey Mattgso, don’t make me look stupid for saying that, k?
    ________________
    Sorry Brew, he already has. Many, many times. Check some of the other threads, this guy just doesn’t get it.
    And by the way mattgso, you were the one making assumptions, not me. You just jumped to the conclusion I was trying to discount the W. All I was doing was listing the passing stats of what one poster called “the most lethal, most feared passing attack in the league.”
    But you are right, everything you have said after making that assumption, whether on this thread or any other, has been rather trite and meaningless.

  157. Majik Bullet says:
    September 15, 2010 8:28 PM
    But let’s use your logic of “they got the W, so the passing game must be awesome.”
    ———————————————
    You said it was my logic. Not sure how much clearer that can be.

  158. mattgso says:
    Take a stance and stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.
    Either stats matter or they don’t. When Packer fans speak of Rodgers’ stats, you say they are meaningless because he didn’t win. The next statement out of your mouth is then how good faver did in his stats in the season he threw away a super bowl.
    You are inferring that I believe a win equals unstoppable offense in an attempt to support your weak argument.
    ________________
    Sounds as if you’re speculating again. I haven’t mentioned a word about Favre’s stats on this thread, or said that Rodgers stats don’t matter. The only point I was making is that GB’s passing numbers were mediocre in Week 1, in repsonse to someone calling GB’s passing attack the most feared in the NFL.
    You’re the one who has tried to turn this into some Rodgers/ Favre phallus measuring contest? Why does every Packer or Viking thread always turn into an open forum for Packer fans desperately trying to validate Thompson’s decision to trade Favre, and the subsequent mediocre play?

  159. Majik Bullet says:
    September 16, 2010 9:41 AM
    You’re the one who has tried to turn this into some Rodgers/ Favre phallus measuring contest? Why does every Packer or Viking thread always turn into an open forum for Packer fans desperately trying to validate Thompson’s decision to trade Favre, and the subsequent mediocre play?
    ———————————————
    Yours is the first mention of TT trading faver.

  160. Why does every Packer or Viking thread always turn into an open forum for Packer fans desperately trying to validate Thompson’s decision to trade Favre, and the subsequent mediocre play?
    _________________________________
    Yeah mediocre is right I mean Rodgers IS like the 2nd person in NFL history to throw for 4000+ yards in thier first 2 seasons as a starter. He has thrown 2x as many TDs as INTs in his career. He can also make a plays with his feet. Took GB to the playoffs his 2nd year as a starter. If I remember correctly that game the week before the Superbowl the “mediocre-bowl”, Rodgers has been to that too.
    Its OK for GB fans to enjoy and cheer for thier QB. I don’t judge Viking fans for cheering for thier QB. I just assume that as a Packer fan I will ALWAYS boo the Vikings, and vice versa for you guys.

  161. mattgso says:
    September 16, 2010 12:06 PM
    Majik Bullet says:
    September 16, 2010 9:41 AM
    You’re the one who has tried to turn this into some Rodgers/ Favre phallus measuring contest? Why does every Packer or Viking thread always turn into an open forum for Packer fans desperately trying to validate Thompson’s decision to trade Favre, and the subsequent mediocre play?
    —————– ——————– ——–
    Yours is the first mention of TT trading faver.
    ——————
    mattsgo majik is a favre blowing, team jumping douchebag. He always talks out of both sides of his mouth.

  162. The Packers passing attack got what they needed to done, a predictable td pass to Greg Jennings to win the game. This while a good Philly D did everything they could to stop the Packers passing game, like all teams will be doing.
    Almost every offense gets off to a slow start in week 1. Wait until the end of the season and yet again see how lethal the Packers are one of the top passing teams in the league.
    (of course by then stats, that you throw out now to support your arguement, will be meaningless to you)

  163. Hurry Majik! Get out of this homo infested jungle known as the Packer fan base….they all take after Ted and Aaron…

  164. Supersuckers says:
    September 16, 2010 2:54 PM
    mattsgo majik is a favre blowing, team jumping douchebag. He always talks out of both sides of his mouth.
    ————-
    You’re both wrong. No one can talk out of both sides of their mouth while blowing a croc-wearing retirement monkey grandfather.

  165. rovibe says:
    September 14, 2010 1:40 PM
    Cowboys? Done. Jets? Done. And now, the Packers are done, too. There go all the trendy Super Bowl picks.
    Haha you sir, are an idiot. It’s week two! Jeez.

  166. Majik Bullet says:
    September 15, 2010 10:52 AM
    ACS2
    There’s just no arguing with such stupidity and homerism.
    ———
    Au contraire. You do it every day. You argue all day long and all you ever use is stupidity and second-homerism.
    ———
    Majik Bullet says:
    September 15, 2010 10:52 AM
    It’s quite clear RC was right, and you fools just believe that no matter what random guy gets plugged in, he’s an automatic Pro Bowler. You defend Westbrook as an every down back, yet fail to acknowledege how he got hury every single season.
    ————
    The next time RC is right will be the first. For the record, I never made any predictions about the level of play the Packers will get out of Brandon Jackson. None at all. I just took issue with some idiotic statements about the guy’s size. He’s an average-sized NFL running back. If you care to disagree, please back it up with some actual facts.
    ————
    Majik Bullet says:
    September 15, 2010 10:52 AM
    And yes, CJ is a special case. But everyone’s biggest fear with him is his durability, whether his body wil hold up. But I digress, I would probably have better luck debating with my 2 year old son. He at least listens to reason once in a while, and has the ability to realize when he’s wrong. It’s just sad that I can have more meaningful conversation with a child who still defecates in his pants.
    ————-
    And I’d probably have better luck arguing with the used diaper. Your IQ is on par with it, anyway.
    For the record, I’m sorry to hear you’ve successfully generated offspring. Our future is that much more bleak.

  167. Pervy says:
    September 16, 2010 4:40 PM
    Hurry Majik! Get out of this homo infested jungle known as the Packer fan base….they all take after Ted and Aaron…
    ———
    Pervy! What happened to your H.? How’s Deb doing these days? Are you two still internet dating?

  168. ACS2
    You want to talk trash on here, fine. Insult me or my intelligence, go ahead. I think I have pretty thick skin and don’t really care, but there’s a line you don’t cross. You just did. I guarantee if we were face to face and said that about my son, you would be on the ground. But I really doubt you would have the stones to do so.
    Why don’t we find out, lowlife? majikbullet@live.com Then you can insult my son to my face, instead of safely behind that monitor, you piece of trash.

  169. # Majik Bullet says: September 16, 2010 6:43 PM
    ACS2
    You want to talk trash on here, fine. Insult me or my intelligence, go ahead. I think I have pretty thick skin and don’t really care, but there’s a line you don’t cross. You just did. I guarantee if we were face to face and said that about my son, you would be on the ground. But I really doubt you would have the stones to do so.
    Why don’t we find out, lowlife? majikbullet@live.com Then you can insult my son to my face, instead of safely behind that monitor, you piece of trash.
    —————————————————-
    Shitty comment, but a rule I learned to live by long ago is don’t bring up you family on the internet if you don’t want others to.

  170. # ACS2 says:
    September 16, 2010 5:53 PM
    For the record, I’m sorry to hear you’ve successfully generated offspring. Our future is that much more bleak.
    ——————————————————–
    That was a little over the line. I can see where the dig was directed but you got unintended collateral damage.
    ACS2, You need to say something like “Wasn’t meaning to insult your kid”.
    Maj, some friendly advice (seriously): don’t even mention you have family on these forums. Some take rivalry too far.

  171. Easy there, Majik. He didn’t say he wanted to kidnap and torture your son. He made a joke about you having offspring as unintelligent as yourself. You’re seriously gonna put your email address out there and use the internet tough guy card. It was a joke.
    Anyways, back on the subject. Mike Vandermause has a great article about the Packers running back situation and he references five of the last six Super Bowl Champs who didn’t even have a 1,000 yard rusher. Very interesting article. Should allow us Packer fans to still be very confident in our pass first team.
    http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100916/PKR01/100916113/Vandermause-column-Is-a-great-runner-needed-to-win-the-Super-Bowl-

  172. badfish
    You make a valid point, but I honestly thought we were all adults here and could refrain from bashing each others’ children.

  173. # Majik Bullet says: September 14, 2010 5:09 PM
    Str8CashHomie says:
    September 14, 2010 4:40 PM
    Brandon Jackson has 2nd round pick talent. How does this invalidate any superbowl predictions? If anything, this could be a blessing in disguise.
    ____________________
    Is his 2nd round talent kind of like Brian Brohm’s 2nd round talent?
    And mudduck, this offseason, there were plenty of you homers preaching how Grant was just as good or better than AD. I’m sure RC, Contra, and Perv will back this up for me.
    at least you didn’t say fof…… for the packers having homers, you have to admit the vikes have their share of them as well…… lets try to think rationally here and throw out the bottom 10 percent of the homers out there. they don’t reflect the fans with realistic views on the game
    a realist would typically name chris johnson and peterson the best two backs in the game (some ad first, some johnson first)…….. consensus? but no realist would say grant was one of the top two backs in the game. (that’s coming from a packers fan that does like grant, WHEN HE DOESN’T FUMBLE).
    same with the homers for the vikes that say sidney or favre are the best at their respective positions in the game right now. we gotta throw them all out if we want to have a rational discussion

  174. mattgso says:
    September 16, 2010 9:00 PM
    # ACS2 says:
    September 16, 2010 5:53 PM
    For the record, I’m sorry to hear you’ve successfully generated offspring. Our future is that much more bleak.
    ——————– ——————– —————-
    That was a little over the line. I can see where the dig was directed but you got unintended collateral damage.
    ACS2, You need to say something like “Wasn’t meaning to insult your kid”.
    Maj, some friendly advice (seriously): don’t even mention you have family on these forums. Some take rivalry too far.
    ===========================
    Too be honest guys, i don’t think ACS meant anything by it.
    Him and I were going at it pretty good last fall, I know a lil bit about him and i stopped short on picking on a certain area and he told me he appreciated it.
    I don’t know the guy, but I do know he’s just like most of on here, he likes to get a good argument going. Did he type something in the heat of the moment? Most likely. Was it meant as a personal attack? No.
    He’s just not that way.
    Majik: I understand your anger, but I don’t think what he said was all that bad. But I agree the personal stuff needs to be left out of this.
    I’m not belittling it by any means.
    If I know ACS even a little, I’m sure he will apologize.
    Matt- cool of you to try to diffuse the situation.

  175. Guys, I appreciate the perspective, but what he said was over the line, and needed to be confronted. And matt, I know rivalries can be taken too far, but I thought someone on here as much as him would know better. It’s my mistake for misjudging his intelligence, but that doesn’t justify his actions.
    Crigs, you moron, that’s obviously a generic email with the intent of being used strictly for this crap. It’s not being an internet tough guy, I seriously want him to email me so we can settle this. And apparently you have no children, and have never lost one. But when someone insults them, rather it be their intelligence or what have you, it’s pretty offensive. Like I said, insult me all you want, but “offspring” is a line you don’t cross.

  176. Majik Bullet says:
    September 16, 2010 6:43 PM
    ACS2
    You want to talk trash on here, fine. Insult me or my intelligence, go ahead. I think I have pretty thick skin and don’t really care, but there’s a line you don’t cross. You just did. I guarantee if we were face to face and said that about my son, you would be on the ground. But I really doubt you would have the stones to do so.
    Why don’t we find out, lowlife? majikbullet@live.com Then you can insult my son to my face, instead of safely behind that monitor, you piece of trash.
    —————
    Hahahahaha. Funny. I got under your skin. Obviously that was an insult to you, not your son. Again, the diaper would’ve understood it without having it spelled out.
    If you take it as an insult to your son, fine. Go ahead. I really couldn’t care less.

  177. mattgso says:
    September 16, 2010 9:00 PM
    That was a little over the line. I can see where the dig was directed but you got unintended collateral damage.
    ACS2, You need to say something like “Wasn’t meaning to insult your kid”.
    Maj, some friendly advice (seriously): don’t even mention you have family on these forums. Some take rivalry too far.
    ————-
    And as I just posted (if it actually makes it to the site), is that I was clearly basing his son’s value on the standard he’s set. If his son is anything like himself, we’re all in trouble.
    I’m sure the kid’s a fine, upstanding member of society. But he’s only had two years to absorb Majik’s idiocy. Give him time. Hopefully he can overcome the double-whammy of having Majik’s DNA and being exposed to his idiocy throughout his life.

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