Jim Schwartz says "everybody knows it was a catch"

After Sunday’s heartbreaking loss to the Bears, which if the vague and uncodified “second act” exception had been applied may have been a win, Lions coach Jim Schwartz took the high road.

So the folks from 97.1 the Ticket in Detroit wisely asked Schwartz not about his own views on the matter, but about the views of his players.

“I mean I leave what goes on in our locker room in our locker room,” Schwartz said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com.  “But everybody knows that it was a catch.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look at that and say it was a catch.  Now, it’s also ruled an incompletion because of the rule.  I think if 100 people look at it, 100 people say, ‘Yeah, Calvin [Johnson] caught that ball.’  Calvin made a great play on that play.  Shaun [Hill] made a great throw, Calvin made a great play.  That stands.  There’s no way that you can take that away from him other than a technicality in the rulebook.”

And there it is.  Schwartz has managed to have it both ways.  Everyone regards him as a good sport because of the things he said immediately after the game, and now he has had a chance to vent, even if he did so by saying what he said under the guise of what his players feel.

79 responses to “Jim Schwartz says "everybody knows it was a catch"

  1. I love the idea of having the refs as they are and replay… and the idea of selecting any random 3 guys at a local bar to help officiating to add the common sense to the game.
    You can’t tell me any 3 knuckleheads couldn’t have made the right call and be allowed to overrule the refs it would be a great game.

  2. Don’t like the Lions and don’t like the Bears but that was definately a catch. His ass was on the ground before he went to get up and dropped the ball. If he had just laid there on his back and not rolled over its a TD. What a freaking travesty.

  3. Yeah he’s right, now trade Suh for Haynesworth! We want Suh to do his signature head twist powerbomb move here in D.C.

  4. yes it was a catch an we just have to eat another called that was jacked up by the zebras i hate the effin zebras

  5. It’s fair for someone to say they don’t like the rule – but if the rule was properly applied, quit whining, accept it and let the Rules Committee decide if the rule should remain.
    Raiders fans are still whining about the Tuck Rule but the rule was reviewed and remains on the books today nearly 10 years after it was properly applied (and continues to be properly applied nearly every week when the Tuck Rule comes up again).
    Frankly that makes the fans look like childish losers.
    Even if it were a mistake by the officials Schwartz and other coaches are right when then note that mistakes are made every week and the team needs to put a game away so it doesn’t hinge on the call of an official.

  6. the lions were robbed!!!! but you have to give credit to schwartz for accepting the ruling even if he/no one in the real world outside of chicago didn’t agree with it.

  7. If the Lions miss the playoffs by one game, I’ll call a press conference and blow a goat.
    In the meantime, keep flogging that horse carcass, Florio–whip that thing until it’s nothing but a pile of wet, meaty paste, until all that remains is a rancid, mushy, maggot-infested mound of bones and sinew.

  8. And there it is. Schwartz has managed to have it both ways.
    ———————–
    Well, he learned that from Belichick you know.

  9. “Schwartz has managed to have it both ways, everyone regards him as a good sport… did it under the guise of what his players thought.”
    lol- man, you crazy kids at PFT are just comically cynical.

  10. Lions fans are the biggest WHINERS in all of football. “Whaaaa! That was a caaaaatch! Whaaaa! The rule isn’t faaaaaair!” ———— All those Lions fans do is complain. You know, if your team was better, that call wouldn’t have been an issue to begin with, because they’d have already been up by 21 points against a crappy Bears team.

  11. Boo hoo. You lost. Bears won. Lions suck big floppy donkey balls.
    Winning is better than losing, even if you think you won the game, according to the rules, you lost. So suck my taint!

  12. Great. It was a catch. We all know it was a catch. You know what you earned? Pity, a few im sorries, and most importantly and 0-1 record. CJ is a beast, but instead of trying to be a hotdog, he couldve taken all doubt away, kept two hands on the ball and pulled it in all the way to the ground. He probably was thinking “highlight reel” when he shouldve been thinking fundamentals like he was taught since he was five. I think hes awesome and everyone who knows the game knows he is. But its not goiing to change the ruling (as bad as it was) OR more importantly, THE RECORD. Instead of the coach crying three days later, he should be concentrating on the gameplan for this week, IMO.

  13. “Now, it’s also ruled an incompletion because of the rule.”
    Wait, there are rules that the entire league should abide by?
    Well if thats the case and by the definition of the rule it wasn’t a catch then IT WASN’T A CATCH.
    It’s not that hard to work out, don’t blame the rules or others because your players are too dumb to know and play by the rules that are in place for the game they get paid MILLIONS of dollars for as a profession.

  14. This bad rule/call is a perfect example of when rules/refereeing gets in the way of good competition.
    Does anyone realize how big a win this would have been for the Lions? They haven’t won a road game in a couple years and will probably break their own record again.
    How often do we see teams get a big win their sport, get some confidence, and make a run? Isn’t that one of the greatest things to see?
    The rulebook needs to be looked at with some common sense so that competition is not hindered like this.
    I’m a long time Lions fan and I see this problem happen all the time to losing francises.

  15. When Espn asked the nation if they thought it was a question on one of their online polls, ALL 50 States agreed it was a catch (Including Bears Country). So I don’t think Schwartz is talking on behalf of his players, but on the consensus of how the nation views it. Trying to insinuate that Schwartz is taking both sides is rediculous and demonstrates how much your struggling to reach for stories today. He is simply saying things the right way. Perhaps some of the players around the league should take a note on how to get your point across without actling like an immature or self-absorbed idiot. (I.E… Portis, some of the members of the Jet’s locker room, etc…).

  16. That was a catch and the rule that says it isn’t is RETARDED.
    If my team got to the Super Bowl against our most hated rival and ended up losing it at the last second because the other team had that exact same pass scenario and it killed our chance to win the game, I would *still* think that was a catch… because it was.
    The rod up the referees’ ass has a rod up it’s ass.

  17. He’s a fool. Just like Johnson was a fool for not being less aloof with the game scoring touchdown and using the ball to break his fall. If he cradled it with two hands nobody would be talking about this and the Lions would have a nice road win against a divisional rival.
    I’m a somewhat knowledgable football fanatic and I knew the minute I saw that play that it was an incompletion (and I have CJ on my fantasy team and NEEDED that TD) I can’t for the life of me understand why people that work in pro-football are still trying to defend it. Say the rule sucks all you want……just like the tuck rule…..but the bottom line is it was an incompletion because the reciever was careless with the most important ball of the game.
    I hope he learns something from it. The coach should too.

  18. I am neither a Lion or Bears fan and that was a catch plain and simple. I saw way too many bad calls this weekend. Something has to be done about these refs why are they all so old? they need younger crews and they need to be full time.

  19. The rule exists for a good reason: The NFL cannot have referees trying to subjectively determine if a ball was caught or not. It has to be 100% objective, one way or the other.
    It’s the same as the tuck rule. After that infamous Tom Brady play from January ’02, a lot of people whined and moaned – but guess what? The tuck rule has remained 100% unchanged to this very day. And this “continuing motion” rule will remain unchanged as well.

  20. Yeah it was a catch but I am tired of hearing about it. I have seen calls that were much worse. Can we move on please? They’re not going to go back and change the outcome of the game. (Just letting you know)

  21. Just curious…do any of you blowhards that call that a correct interpretation of the rule actually know what the rule is?
    Here it is:
    “A player who goes to the ground IN THE PROCESS OF ATTEMPTING to secure possession of a loose ball (with or without contact by a defender) must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.
    “If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, it is a catch, interception or recovery.”
    Watch the replay…Calvin caught the ball BEFORE he started falling down. He had 2 feet, THEN 1 butt, 1 knee and 1 arm hit before the ball was placed on the ground.

  22. Rule: If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, it is a catch, interception or recovery.
    Reality: Calvin did NOT LOSE the ball. To lose something is involuntary. He voluntarily put it down so he could go celebrate!
    The refs blew this one, which should have been ruled a catch according to the current rules.

  23. I am a Bears fan. While I agree common sense shows this as a catch I would like to point out in 2004 the exact same thing happened between the Lions and the Bears. On that day in 2004 Bernard Berrian had a similar game winning catch which was reversed due to the same rule.
    I feel for the Lions not getting the win…. but as a Bears fan.. I’ll take it.

  24. I really feel for Lions’ fans. When the Chargers got screwed by Ed Hochuli, I was upset about it for the whole season. Everyone knows your team should have won the game.

  25. I’m a die-hard Bears fan, I’ve bled orange and blue for 35 years. It was a catch fellas, no goddamn doubt about it. It’s sorry ass that the NFL would make up some shit rule that would nulify such an awesome and crucial play. The league should be embarrassed and ashamed that such a rule exists. I love the Bears, but this is a loss in my book.

  26. I think everyone agrees that he caught the ball. The problem is that it wasn’t a touchdown and because of the rules, it’s not the same thing.
    I noticed something watching the difference between how Forte handled his TD catch in the endzone that day and how Johnson handled his.
    Forte concentrated on catching the ball (by the rules definition), landed on his back, waited a bit, and then held the ball up while still lying on the ground to demonstrate that he still had the ball.
    Johnson caught the ball and managed to, after getting both feet down and landing on his butt, forget his primary responsibility is to make sure it’s a legal catch, and put the ball on the ground because he’d already started thinking about how he was going to celebrate his TD.
    I really think it’s a shame that this kid gave up a TD that he could have had simply because he was thinking about how he would look on Sportscenter.
    People can argue on and on about what the rule SHOULD be, but this kid gave up his TD because he wasn’t focused on his job. Hopefully he’ll learn from it.

  27. What’s so hard about hanging on to the ball until you know it’s a TD? If it’s me, I’m not letting go of the ball until the ref has signaled a TD.

  28. ROVIBE and BEARS_BEATS whatever the hell it is……please understand bout 90% of the people on here complaining and saying it was a catch arent Lions fans. So dont talk shit when shit isnt getting talked to you.

  29. This is really the YouTube of the NFL as far as the quality of most commenters go. The coach was likely on his weekly local radio spot and “gasp” made the mistake of actually answering a question. Now he is a “whiner” trying to have it both ways because this site does almost nothing but parse lines from interviews or others actual reporting.

  30. Same thing happened to my Raiders last year in the season opener against the Chargers. WR Louis Murphy had full control of the catch, both feet down, and even had a butt cheek touch the ground. The ball didn’t come out until he got up to celebrate. But it was called an incomplete pass.
    Like I have told friends, BY RULE, it was the correct call. However, it is a BAD RULE that needs to be changed!

  31. HaHahahahahah…..Farking Refs!
    This whole argument sounds familiar to when the Raiders were robbed in the Tuck Game. Everyone knew that was a fumble cept for the bastids wearing stripes.

  32. dlodown1, you are dumb if it’s a loss in your book. Even if he DID catch it the game was not over. There was still time on the clock.
    Furthermore your book doesn’t count for crap so who cares.

  33. Its only a matter of time before the ref in that game that made the “wrong” call comes forward and admits that he should have called that what it was, a touchdown.
    To the Lions: Been there, done that. Keep working. You’ll have your time!

  34. droppin or bobbling a pass and putting a ball down after a completed TD are two entirely different things.
    that dude had control the entire time.
    Popeye. . . . you’re queer. closet closed.
    & yeah , These refs need to be evaluated ;
    the NFL has old men trying to keep up with the speed of the NFL . these are the same greys that cant even keep up with the speed of the fast lane.

  35. Florio, an interesting side note to this story is that Detroit Sports radio, namely Valenti and Foster, more specifically Valenti, thought that Schwartz should have ripped the officials for the blown call.
    They felt like he needed to show the players that he had their back and that his reaction did not adequately portray that. Now that they (or someone from their station) got him to vent a little on the topic, I’m sure fans are a little bit happier and its interesting that he came off the firm stance that he held on Sunday

  36. re: BriGuy says:
    September 15, 2010 3:24 PM
    The rule exists for a good reason: The NFL cannot have referees trying to subjectively determine if a ball was caught or not. It has to be 100% objective, one way or the other.
    It’s the same as the tuck rule. After that infamous Tom Brady play from January ’02, a lot of people whined and moaned – but guess what? The tuck rule has remained 100% unchanged to this very day. And this “continuing motion” rule will remain unchanged as well.
    ————————————————-
    Perfectly said BriGuy.
    It kills me how there are all these posts on here with people saying it was a catch, or a bad call, when the rules clearly state it was not. I could see complaining about the rule but enough already with complaining that this was a catch.
    It wasn’t. The ref called it correctly. Now write the commish on a rules change if you all want.

  37. The rule wasn’t applied correctly and the NFL and it’s weak officiating crew has egg all over their face and are hiding behind a grey area and BS’ing. I watch every game Sunday and am amazed at the poor job the officials do. It’s their job they should know the book inside and out.
    I don’t even like the Lions but that was a catch, end of story. They were jobbed out of a win.
    Possesion = control of the ball and two feet down and a football move. CJ caught the ball and did just that, he was in the endzone so it’s imediately a TD. He had possesion, two feet down, also had his ass down. No way can you not say that wasn’t a TD.
    The BS rule is in place only for sideline and leaping catches where you land on the ground. If you catch while going out of bounds and get two feet in or if you leap and land on the ground you have to maintain possesion per the rule. That doesn’t/shouldn’t have applied to that game winning (er loosing) catch.

  38. Hopefully these idiot ball carriers will learn to not let go of the ball too early for hot dogging and celebrating. As it is, they look like the biggest D-bags on the field. Leon Lett, DeSean Jackson, Calvin Johnson…. when will you all learn. Remove all doubt you scored a TD.

  39. “If the Lions miss the playoffs by one game, I’ll call a press conference and blow a goat.”
    @Dewey Axewoond its going to be pretty hard to miss the playoffs by 1 game w/ a 4-12 record. Your jaw muscles are safe.

  40. Too bad the rule book has three lines stating that the catch is complete where Calvin Johnson satisfied those requirements multiple times before losing the ball. The refs were wrong and the rules make this a touch down.
    “A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if
    a player, who is inbounds:
    (a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground;
    and
    (b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than
    his hands.”
    “If a player goes to the ground in the act of
    catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control
    of the ball after he touches the ground”
    Oh look! Two quotes from the rule book showing the play was over. CJ secured the ball? Yes. Got both feet down? Yes. Goes to the ground? Yes, both his feet, knee, and hip hit. It was down multiple times. The whole “process” thing is NOT in the rule book. Neither is “second act”. This is all a load of horse crap by the refs protecting their own butts because the booth review blew it.

  41. By rule, no catch. By reason, a catch.
    What sucks is that should have been a devastating loss for the Bears, and most certainly put Lovie at the top of the list to get axed. Now, with the Bears traveling to Dallas they can either a.) delay the inevitable and win (to the detriment of the organization) which would b.) cause for heads to roll in Dallas or c.) lose mercilessly to a Cowboys team that would then d.) be right back on the “Super Bowl or bust” BS media train. Either way, its all just a big bag of crap.

  42. “What’s so hard about hanging on to the ball until you know it’s a TD? If it’s me, I’m not letting go of the ball until the ref has signaled a TD.”
    Uh, didn’t the first ref signal a touchdown?


  43. Hey, this just in…This isn’t going to keep the Lions from going to the Superbowl – they will find a way to do that all by themselves! It’s one game – they should be used to losing by now.

  44. # Louie says: September 15, 2010 3:41 PM
    What’s so hard about hanging on to the ball until you know it’s a TD? If it’s me, I’m not letting go of the ball until the ref has signaled a TD.
    —————–
    Congrats Mr. Bling Guy! The ref directly in front of Calvin Johnson DID signal a touch down. He was set up to signal and started went to raise his hands as Calvin pressed off the ball. The side judge with the best view determined it was a touchdown before the ball was lost.

  45. Yes, everyone does know CJ caught that pass. However, because of existing rules in the NFL, there is a difference between a CATCH and a COMPLETION.

  46. Forte actually scored on his 4th down run at the goal line, and there’s no way you can take that away from him, other than a technicality in the rulebook. He didn’t break the plane of the goal line, and according to the rule book (and the scoreboard) he didn’t make it.
    Bears 1-0
    Lions 0-1
    Say what you will, and make whatever proclamations you want. The records aren’t changing.

  47. All he did was state that it was a catch. HEs not living on it like its the end of the world. They asked him a question, and he answered it.
    You fools on this site take too much literally

  48. Bears_Beets_Battlestar says:
    September 15, 2010 3:08 PM
    Boo hoo. You lost. Bears won. Lions suck big floppy donkey balls.
    Winning is better than losing, even if you think you won the game, according to the rules, you lost. So suck my taint!
    ——————-
    You’re right you ignorant Chicagoan. You beat the Lions. Hey congrats man. You guys had to rely on crappy officiating for the win. Be proud man, because wins won’t come often for the Bears if they can’t beat the Lions without a little extra help.

  49. Louie says:
    September 15, 2010 3:41 PM
    What’s so hard about hanging on to the ball until you know it’s a TD? If it’s me, I’m not letting go of the ball until the ref has signaled a TD.
    The official DID signal TD, look at it again.
    And for those that are talking about the rule leaving out room for interpretation, have you actually read the rule? There is a TON of gray area in there meaning the officials HAVE TO INTERPRET. Heck, even the former VP of NFL Officiating said as much.
    For those of you interested in the actual rules, please see this: http://www.thelionsinwinter.com/2010/09/touch-down-lions-should-be-1-0.html
    RIF, folks
    (Reading IS fundamental)

  50. Coach Schwartz is 100% right, the NFL really went down a peg when everyone and their uncle knows the rules/refs stole a win from a team that fought hard to deserve it.

  51. Louie–The referee was already signaling “touchdown.” In fact, two of them were and in plain sight. The 3rd official 10 yards away ran in and overruled it.

  52. rovibe says:
    September 15, 2010 3:08 PM
    Lions fans are the biggest WHINERS in all of football. “Whaaaa! That was a caaaaatch! Whaaaa! The rule isn’t faaaaaair!” ———— All those Lions fans do is complain. You know, if your team was better, that call wouldn’t have been an issue to begin with, because they’d have already been up by 21 points against a crappy Bears team.
    ……………………………………………………..
    Go to hell guy every fanbase cries about a call or an event that costs their team the game. See Seahawks superbowl, Raiders tuck rule, Mavericks vs Wade, and etc. Every fan base carries a grudge don’t call us whinners when we’re doing the same thing you would do if you felt robbed of a victory. Most of us Lions fans are passed this game chump we’re focused on shutting down Vick only people bitching is the media. Move along guy with that BS

  53. @Dewey Axewood
    In the meantime, keep flogging that horse carcass, Florio–whip that thing until it’s nothing but a pile of wet, meaty paste, until all that remains is a rancid, mushy, maggot-infested mound of bones and sinew
    ————————————————–
    Kind of like the Haynesworth and Favre dead horse beating

  54. ________________________________
    “Dewey Axewoond says:
    September 15, 2010 3:03 PM
    If the Lions miss the playoffs by one game, I’ll call a press conference and blow a goat.
    In the meantime, keep flogging that horse carcass, Florio–whip that thing until it’s nothing but a pile of wet, meaty paste, until all that remains is a rancid, mushy, maggot-infested mound of bones and sinew. ”
    _________________________________
    omigosh that is the funniest thing i’ve read all frigging day…. wow i really needed that laugh, thanks dewey! damn that was good. literally crying over here… damn.

  55. Football is just not as good as itused to bebecause of all the rules that were put in. you cant celebrate a TD, no one knows what the hell is a catch anymore, you cant hit people like you used to. Its gotten to be a bit much, let these guys play the game

  56. The TD doesnt matter. Lions will romp on the NFC in a couple years. Its just a waiting game at this point. Bears suck for life.

  57. It was clearly a catch and a TD. If there’s an obscure, convoluted rule that says it wasn’t a catch, then the rule needs to be changed. Case closed.

  58. People keep saying “rules are rules”, but was the rule applied correctly in the first place? I think it says “if a players goes to the ground in the act of making the catch…” But the catch was already made before we went to the ground (he possessed the ball, two feet, he even moved the ball with his hands to demonstrate control), not “in the act”, the “act” had already taken place.

  59. Not a catch….maybe Mega should have paid attention the rules in the most important play of the game. In addition, I believe the Bears got screwed more than once on this very rule. Two years ago a playoff game was on the line in Houston; the ruling resulted in a loss, and a trip home without the playoffs. What comes around goes around…

  60. He caught it with both hands and then palmed it….why? Balance, instinct, to look cute? Did he understand the rule? Bottom line. Secure the ball and finish the play.

  61. Those of you claiming that he let go of the ball because he saw the ref signal the TD need to watch the clip again. Neither of the refs who he was facing put their hands up until after he let go. If CJ expects us to believe that’s what happened, he’s a straight-up liar, and you believers are straight-up gullible.

  62. Bears_Beets_Battlestar says:
    September 15, 2010 3:08 PM
    Boo hoo. You lost. Bears won. Lions suck big floppy donkey balls.
    Winning is better than losing, even if you think you won the game, according to the rules, you lost. So suck my taint!
    ———————————————–
    If the end of the game had been exactly the opposite, with a Bears reciever catching a TD pass that suddenly wasn’t- and then the Bears lost because of it- this guy would be bitching and crying louder and longer than anyone else. You know it.

  63. There is nothing I hate worse than a player or coach who cries after a loss. Be professional. The referees were. They called the play correctly because they knew the rule. The people who are now crying are apparently the only ones not familiar with this well known rule. Here are the facts. That’s what I deal in…facts. The Bears won. The Lions lost to a clearly superior football team. Calvin Johnson didn’t know the rules for wide receivers. That is a fact. Bears rule…enough said. Now I’m off to fedex the lions some baby wipes so they can clean themselves up.

  64. If u havent beeen paying attention by now mwatso28, the call would have been right if at any time Calvin bobbled the ball, which he did not. But anyways the games over not complaining you guys won, its over. I sure hope you would win thoough after we run the ball up the middle 3 times than punt during 10 offensive possessions. Now while your at the store buying some baby wipes, pick up some diapers because your gonna shit yourself when you watch yours bears this sunday against the cowboys.
    Linehan blows

  65. Dewey instead of a header the goat would like a “half n half”. Are you still willing to obligue?
    A Florio meatpaste milkshake is an interesting concept except how do you get rid of all that hair?

  66. The rule is u have to have possesion all the way thru the catch. If u watch the play in normal speed n not slowed down how the highlights show it u see that as his body hit the ground his right arm (same arm the ball was in) is on the way down this means the process of falling is not complete so when the ball hits the ground it becomes an incomplete pass. To also show he didn’t put the ball down look how the ball squirts out of hid hand as it hits the ground. In slow motion it looks like he was fallin for linger than he really was. That’s the reason it even looks close to being a catch. Regular speed shows it is clearly incomplete

  67. trickbunny says:
    September 15, 2010 6:09 PM
    Bears_Beets_Battl estar says:
    September 15, 2010 3:08 PM
    ——————– ——————– ——-
    If the end of the game had been exactly the opposite, with a Bears reciever catching a TD pass that suddenly wasn’t- and then the Bears lost because of it- this guy would be bitching and crying louder and longer than anyone else. You know it.
    ++++++++
    It did happen in 2006… Idiot… Berrian caught a touchdown against the Lions… It was taken away… Same deal…Payback is a *****.
    It wasn’t a last second thing so it wasn’t made to be a big deal.
    I agree the rule is a bad one, but it is a rule and it wasn’t changed then so it shouldn’t be now.

  68. Ok the people saying he should have held onto the ball until the officials ruled it a touchdown…..HE DID. The Zebra right at the goal line signaled a touchdown. And to the others saying how Schwartz is whining…..you’re either illiterate or a complete moron. He’s been asked time and time again about this play and said over and over again that they should have put the game away earlier and that was not the sole reason for their loss. The question asked how the players felt about the play and he answered. So please learn to read or stfu because you look like an ignorant tool.

  69. Apparently I’m one of the few people who watch football that isn’t a complete moron. Read the rule, watch the play, it’s a catch. ACCORDING TO THE RULE, it’s a freaking catch. I’m not sure whether this is some sort of reading comprehension problem or what, but the rule is fairly clear.
    “his body hit the ground his right arm (same arm the ball was in) is on the way down this means the process of falling is not complete”
    This is a new one: someone hits the ground, but they’re still “in the process of falling”. Right.
    He turned over. He wasn’t “falling” or anything, he was deliberately turning himself over to get up. He didn’t drop the ball, he drove it straight into the ground. Many of you will recall that this is commonly referred to as “spiking” the ball. The fact that people are actually arguing that this wasn’t a catch is just mind-boggling. You’re a moron if you think it wasn’t.
    “Regular speed shows it is clearly incomplete”
    Actually, in regular speed, it’s still clearly a catch, which is why the ref signaled for a touchdown. You’re a moron.

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