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Lance Briggs says women shouldn't be in locker rooms

Right about now, the folks at 280 Park Avenue have to feel like the owners of 101 dalmatian puppies, who inevitably will be doing what puppies do all over the floor — forcing the owners of the puppies to continuously look for the next pile to clean up.

The latest mess in the Ines Sainz affair has been created by Bears linebacker Lance Briggs, who would if he had his way disregard 33 years of legal precedent and eject females from the locker room.

I
don’t think women should be in the locker room
,” Bears linebacker Lance Briggs told NBCChicago.com.  “The locker room is the place where us guys, us football players, we
dress, we shower, we’re naked, we’re walking around and we’re bombarded
by media.   A lot of times I’m asking the media to wait until I’m
dressed.”

The problem is that women are entitled to equal access to the sports reporters’ workplace, and the sports reporters’ workplace includes the locker room.  So unless and until the NFL or any other professional sports league decides to make players available only after they have showered and dressed and chased Uter with a wet towel, women will have every right to be in the locker room.

Look for Briggs to soon “clarify” his comments, after the league office points out to him that his remarks prove that he’s full of something other than chocolate.  Or brains.

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  1. thealy8676 says: Sep 16, 2010 11:50 AM

    Briggs is right btw. Do male reporters have equal opportunity to the women’s locker room after a WNBA game?

  2. purpleguy says: Sep 16, 2010 11:51 AM

    So are male reporters allowed in the locker rooms of female athletes when they’re changing clothes, showering and all that crap, like the WNBA? If not, then this equality thing is ridiculous.

  3. Patrick says: Sep 16, 2010 11:52 AM

    I guess I have to ask the obvious question… what about male reporters in women’s locker rooms when they’re walking around naked. Does that happen in pro sports? If not, why the double standard?

  4. CKL says: Sep 16, 2010 11:53 AM

    I don’t think ANYONE should be in the LR male or female but the people who work for the team. That’s their place.
    And any woman who whines about this should ask themselves how comfortable they would be with allowing men into their lockerrooms even if they had towels wrapped around them.

  5. reed380 says: Sep 16, 2010 11:53 AM

    The dumb-ass reporter was only looking to make a name for herself.
    She’s a 10, but only did this as a publicity stunt to get her name out there.

  6. palewook says: Sep 16, 2010 11:53 AM

    reporters shouldn’t be in the locker room. ends this whole thing.

  7. smellsdelicious says: Sep 16, 2010 11:55 AM

    so if i were a reporter, as a male, i’d be allowed into a lingerie football league teams locker room? SIGN ME UP!!!

  8. NFL_1974 says: Sep 16, 2010 11:55 AM

    I think Briggs is entitled to his opinion. And I have to agree with his opinion on this one for a couple of reasons.
    1. It would avoid such mishaps as the Jets one.
    2. How often do you see male reporters in female locker rooms. And if they are, when was the last time there was this type of issue.
    To me its not equality issue, its a common sense issue.

  9. AlphaQ2 says: Sep 16, 2010 11:56 AM

    Are male reporters allowed in the locker room after a WNBA game or after a womans tennis match? I honestly don’t know, but it should be the same for both genders. However, opposite sex reporters should not be allowed in locker rooms untill players are dressed. It’s just common decency.

  10. swashbuccaler says: Sep 16, 2010 11:56 AM

    Briggs is right.

  11. JSpicoli says: Sep 16, 2010 11:56 AM

    Sometimes common sense just isn’t what our PC society wants to hear.
    Briggs is right.

  12. dabarber says: Sep 16, 2010 11:57 AM

    Are guys allowed in the girls locker rooms for volleyball, softball, and soccer games?
    My guess is they have limited access.

  13. txtumbleweed says: Sep 16, 2010 11:57 AM

    I don’t think women should be in the locker room either. Are male reporters allowed in women locker rooms? I think all reporters should wait until they are dressed to interview them anyway and that would settle the issue!

  14. Chiefforlife says: Sep 16, 2010 11:57 AM

    So Male reporters have the same right? They can go into womens locker rooms while they shower and dress.
    Yeah, didnt think so. This is stupid, there is no reason an interview cant wait until the player comes out of the locker room.

  15. LOOK AT THAT HORSE says: Sep 16, 2010 11:58 AM

    Everybody wants to make it seem like these players are completely out of line for saying that they don’t want women in the locker rooms. Just for a second though imagine a professional female sports team that is being covered by male media personnel. Would you ever expect those men to be allowed in the locker room while the female athletes are walking around naked? My answer would be that it would never be allowed to happen. Male athletes are working under a double standard that a lot of them do not feel comfortable with.

  16. Tomcalimontana says: Sep 16, 2010 11:58 AM

    NO media in the locker room.

  17. Vossica says: Sep 16, 2010 11:58 AM

    Okay Lance, no women in the locker room with all the other media…looks like you just earned yourself an extra 30 minutes at the stadium after games to do interviews outside the locker room after you are all showered up and ready to go. Pick one.

  18. Bzilla says: Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM

    Lance DO NOT APOLOGIZE! You’re right!
    How would you like your spouse to work at a job that the opposite sex could see them naked and just claim they were “doing their job”.
    RIDICULOUS!

  19. ssousa1214 says: Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM

    Does anyone know what the policy is for female sports leagues? I can’t imagine a male reporter being allowed into a WNBA locker room where women could be walking around naked.
    I’m surprised I haven’t heard anyone consider this angle yet.

  20. SuckitFlorio says: Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM

    This is complete and utter B.S…. this law may be in the books but there is no way on earth they are allowing male reporters into the locker room of womens basketball / soccer / softball teams while they are getting dressed.

  21. Deb says: Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM

    Male and female reporters have equal access to WNBA locker rooms for a set amount of time, and athletes don’t shower and change until they leave. So the NFL could enforce a time limit and the players could wait until they leave before stripping.
    OR
    The NFL could provide a media room where reporters interview players outside their showering and changing area … which makes more sense. It sounds like Briggs doesn’t want any reporters in his locker room. I don’t blame him.

  22. Huddy says: Sep 16, 2010 12:00 PM

    tit for tat….show me some skin in the women’s locker room…equal rights my ass.

  23. PackAttackBackMan says: Sep 16, 2010 12:01 PM

    Let this story go please…… Kind of like the Vikings letting their Super Bowl Dreams go….

  24. mantastic says: Sep 16, 2010 12:01 PM

    This was reported yesterday, if the league was going to make him clarify his comments, it would have happened by now

  25. Perno says: Sep 16, 2010 12:01 PM

    We should have never given women the right to vote, all this entitlement is for the birds. Go make us pies and stop looking at dingers.
    Don’t back down Briggs!

  26. packerjoeZ says: Sep 16, 2010 12:02 PM

    The great thing about this story, for Florio, is that, whenever a player says anything about it, PFT has a reason for another post. How great is that?

  27. Mosi says: Sep 16, 2010 12:03 PM

    He’s right. And if they keep women in there, they should allow men in the women’s locker rooms.
    And if they kick all of the reporters out of the locker room and make them wait outside for 15 minutes, then that’s fine, too.

  28. Codebeard says: Sep 16, 2010 12:03 PM

    Reporters shouldn’t be allowed in the locker room, man or woman. Exceptions could be made when celebrations are going on, but when players are getting changed, there’s no reason for a player to have to deal with 50 mics in his face while he tries to put his pants on.

  29. daffy87 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:04 PM

    Clearly he’s a knuckle dragging neaderthal because he doesn’t want to be bombarded by reporters when he’s getting dressed after a game. If you don’t agree with him that’s fine, but you don’t have to say he’s a moron because he isn’t comfortable having people all around him sticking microphones in his face while he’s trying to get dressed.

  30. BC says: Sep 16, 2010 12:05 PM

    Simple solution: Don’t allow ANY reporters in the locker room. Male, female, black, white, Canadian, from Mars… NONE. Shut the locker rooms and make players available afterwards like they do in the NCAA tournament.

  31. Jman says: Sep 16, 2010 12:05 PM

    Why does the locker room have to be a reporter’s workplace? I’m all for equality but I don’t think anyone but the team’s personnel should be allowed into a locker room. Are men allowed into women’s locker rooms? Cause it’s their workplace as well. If so, please provide a link where we can verify that men are actually allowed into women’s locker rooms. I’d have to see it to believe it.

  32. NFLFollower says: Sep 16, 2010 12:05 PM

    They shouldn’t be allowed in the locker room until well after a game or practice, maybe an hour or even more. If that means male reporters too, then go for it. Who cares? Give the players time to shower. What would happen if women’s basketball or soccer players had male reporters in the locker room while they were in towels or less getting out of the showers? I think some regulations would be put in place quickly. And the female athletes complaining about it wouldn’t have to issue public apologies. But since these are guys, and football players, hey, who cares about their privacy—right??

  33. DEMOLITION says: Sep 16, 2010 12:06 PM

    awww little Mikey…always trying his best to come up with a creative funny paragraph.

  34. Doc Hock says: Sep 16, 2010 12:06 PM

    The simple solution is to ban all media for 30 minutes after the game to give guys time to shower and dress. Then open the locker room for all media. Problem solved!

  35. INVAIDUH says: Sep 16, 2010 12:06 PM

    if it really doesnt matter then let men in the ladies locker room for quotes while they shower and change.
    equal rights.

  36. Common Sense says: Sep 16, 2010 12:06 PM

    Not that you’d probably want to but can men go into a WNBA locker room and conduct interviews while the women are dressing??

  37. Mad Squabbles says: Sep 16, 2010 12:06 PM

    Yeah, what an idiot. Now where do I pick up my press pass for the female locker rooms?

  38. Strick says: Sep 16, 2010 12:07 PM

    He’s absolutely right. How many camera crews and male reporters are there in a female soccer team’s locker room right after a game?
    It’s a stupid-ass double standard and a recipe for trouble.

  39. Azcardinal32 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:07 PM

    why do these players have to “clarify” and apologize for say how they feel about it? I bet Woman athletes would be having a fit if male reporters were in there while they were changing

  40. Hollywood26 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:09 PM

    I have to agree in a sense. I really think the athletes should have the opportunity to get dressed before ANYONE comes into the locker room. What other job do you interact with someone while half naked?
    Personally I’d be more uncomfortable standing in front of some dude naked than a female, but I’d rather get dressed before talking to either of them.

  41. georgeanderson says: Sep 16, 2010 12:09 PM

    Ban all reporters from the Locker Room after a game or practice for up to an hour.

  42. answer3 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:10 PM

    I agree. To make if fair and comfortable, there should be no media allowed in locker rooms. If they come in they should get the same treatment Deion Sanders gave Tim McCarver back in the day.

  43. Quentin673 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:10 PM

    Can someone answer if male reporters are allowed in womens locker room in every way the same as women are allowed in the mens locker rooms? I’ve seen people claim both answers, so does anyone know for sure. It wouldent surprise me if they werent because there does seem to be this double standard with what women can get away with that men cant.

  44. rich_man says: Sep 16, 2010 12:10 PM

    Do male reporters have access to female locker rooms?
    Do female reporters have access to female locker rooms?
    Just askin’

  45. JethroBodine says: Sep 16, 2010 12:12 PM

    Some common sense rather than equal access needs to be addressed. Going back to this Miss Universe reporter–she was there to do an article on Sanchez. Fine, she doesn’t need to be in the lockerroom for that. That isn’t where players are interviewed for articles. On top of which she dresses more for a party than an interview.
    Day in, day out–the locker room needs to be closed to the media. All the media–hows that for equal access?
    Mike Florio, your liberal is showing.

  46. Unchained says: Sep 16, 2010 12:13 PM

    He is absolutely right.

  47. GBPjeff52 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:13 PM

    I wonder if they let male reporters into WNBA locker rooms before the women are dressed.

  48. oa316ts says: Sep 16, 2010 12:13 PM

    This may be a dumb question, but do male reporters go into, for example, WNBA locker rooms and interview the female players while they walk around naked?
    This is a serious question, because I honestly have no idea.
    I know reporters have been allowed in locker rooms for years, but personally, I believe that area should be off limits to everyone except members of the team and staff. Reporters can have plenty of access to the players on the field, in the hallway, in press conferences, etc. Why can’t they wait until players are dressed and get out of the locker room? It would probably eliminate a fair part of the issue here in regards to gender and put everyone on an equal platform.
    I’m in no way justifying any of the behavior of any of those involved, but I don’t feel like we can just look at one part of the situation.
    In the end, seriously, what’s wrong with Lance Briggs asking if you can wait until he’s dressed before you ask him questions? It would seem from his statement he means men and women there.
    Like I said, I’m just wondering, and I’m sure people will rip into this, so have fun!

  49. GiantMike says: Sep 16, 2010 12:14 PM

    Time for the NFL to keep all reporters out of the locker room. That will solve all this legal nonsense.

  50. FinFan68 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM

    Briggs is right. The legal precedence you refer to is garbage. The locker room is not their workplace; it is an area that they have been allowed to go. The precedent is about EQUAL access not access in general. Ban ALL reporters from the locker room and there is no issue

  51. dukelonghorn says: Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM

    This is the classic politically correct issue.
    Lets see what the reaction from women and the general public is when the headline reads “Star forward on WNBA team says male reporters should not be allowed to continue roaming around the women’s locker room while the women are fully naked”.

  52. Rick says: Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM

    are you telling me the NFL can not come up with a better way for reporters to talk to players than allowing them (male and female) in to the locker room when the players are showering. I would think that must make many players uncomfortable.

  53. claytonbigsby says: Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM

    I have to say I totally agree with Lance Briggs,”33 years of legal precedent ” notwithstanding. If you ask me, both men and women journalists should be banned from the locker room.

  54. superb owl says: Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM

    lance is right. reporters dont have a right to see people nekkid.
    let them wait in a side room and the appropriate players, dressed appropriately, will submit to questions there.
    this has been stated by many, and is common sense, but some folks confuse freedom of speech and the press with their innate desire to see male packages.
    most lawyers and most media people are very disposable and provide no useful service and do not contribute to the freedom of anyone.

  55. HaterzBware81 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:16 PM

    I couldnt agree more. Are men reporters able to go into women locker rooms? Tennis? WNBA?

  56. ducksmith says: Sep 16, 2010 12:16 PM

    Do male reporters have full access to women’s locker rooms? I don’t know and was just wondering.

  57. Randomjim says: Sep 16, 2010 12:16 PM

    Last time I checked we also had freedom of speech in America.

  58. FlyEaglesFly says: Sep 16, 2010 12:17 PM

    Briggs is right. Women have no place in the men’s locker room just as men have no place in the women’s locker room. Is this something that could be put into the next CBA in that the locker room is off limits to the media?

  59. Dave J says: Sep 16, 2010 12:17 PM

    Florio, I know that you’re taking a legal approach to this story, but I don’t think Briggs went to law school, and I definitely do not think that he was arguing against Equal Protection.
    Can’t we just recognize the common-sense frustration of the situation? That it may be inappropriate for females to be in an area where the football players shower and dress? The real culprit in this story is, as you identify, the fact that the locker room is designated as a workplace for reporters. Get after the NFL to take a 21st-century approach to that, in light of the Equal Protection requirements.

  60. Wartooth says: Sep 16, 2010 12:17 PM

    And some people don’t like people who drive drunk, and wreck their ridiculously priced sports car, and then leave the scene of the accident…But such is life, right Lance?

  61. ipeefreely says: Sep 16, 2010 12:17 PM

    Women being in the NFL locker room is no different than being in the men’s restroom!
    If you do walk in, don’t complain about what you see. It’s a #$%@ locker-room.
    My 2 cents – Media can wait for the podium! That’s why it’s there. No business in the locker-room whatsoever.
    That’s how you fix this big mound of poopie.
    boom

  62. JCD says: Sep 16, 2010 12:17 PM

    I’m a woman and I couldn’t agree more. Don’t let any reporters in the locker room and just have a media room off the side for players to go through on their way out. Honest question, are male reporters allowed into female tennis players’ locker rooms?

  63. Jesus13 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:18 PM

    If it was a women cheerleading team they would not allow male reports to access the locker room. This should be the same.
    I always find it nfl female sideline reporters kind of annoying.

  64. dtowner says: Sep 16, 2010 12:18 PM

    He’s absolutely RIGHT. I posted it on here a week ago.
    Not only that, if I were a player I would talk to ANY reporter until after I showered, dressed and grabbed hold of my emotions because reporters are just looking for trash to report like some little gossip guppie named Florio

  65. bloodystupidjohnson says: Sep 16, 2010 12:19 PM

    Florio, how come the men are not allowed into the lockers of women sports such as tennis untill the women are dressed?
    Double standards? You Bet!

  66. BoltsFan says: Sep 16, 2010 12:20 PM

    Lance Briggs has EVERY right to voice his opinion, and it doesn’t matter whether it offends some female reporters or not. Why is it that no one is throwing a fit about the fact that male reporters are STILL not allowed into the locker rooms of female professional athletes?????

  67. Shane Falco QB16 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:20 PM

    What Lance should of said is”Are male reporters allowed in female athletes locker rooms?” No one seems to be bringing this up. I believe that no reporter should be allowed in the locker rooms.

  68. overwatch says: Sep 16, 2010 12:20 PM

    Mike Florio Says:
    the sports reporters’ workplace includes the locker room

    That’s the problem right there. It isn’t that these guys are wrong in saying that women shouldnt’ be in the locker rooms, or that they are misunderstanding the legal rulings and precedent (at least, not necessarily that).
    They just aren’t going far enough.
    Women shouldn’t be in the locker room.
    …and…
    …because of legal precedent granting women the same access as the men, if that means that men can’t have that access to the locker room, then…
    Men shouldn’t be in the locker room.
    The locker room isn’t “a sports reporters workplace” any more than a bathroom stall is. Just because the player goes into the place doesn’t mean that the reporters can follow.
    Can you imagine a legal ruling allowing male reporters into female locker rooms?
    OR
    Can you imagine, if a player brought a suit alleging institutional sexual harassment, that a court would rule that an NFL team is failing to provide a work site free of said sexual harassment because they forced the players to change in front of members of the opposite sex?
    If you have trouble answering the second question, substitute WNBA for NFL and revisit the question. Literally, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
    If getting female reporters out of men’s locker rooms (and the obverse, keeping male reporters out of women’s locker rooms) means that all reporters must be banned from the locker room, then make that happen.
    Create an availability foyer, or ante-chamber. Give the players a place to change, shower, get naked without eyes on them, and decompress.
    Mandate extra time in the availability room for the players, but for God’s sake, show some decency.
    Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. Similarly, the reporter’s right to do their job ends where players’ rights to decency and privacy begin.
    The players are right to ask for women to be out of the locker room, they just aren’t completing the argument, giving the NFL and the media (who would be the ones to lose their access) to pounce in the wrong part of the argument and frame it as a sexist request.
    In fact, it is just the opposite.

  69. Deegizzle says: Sep 16, 2010 12:21 PM

    Question for those that follow the sport….Are men allowed in any female sports’ locker rooms?

  70. frostymugobeer says: Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM

    why would’nt they wait until after the players are showered or be happy with a quick interview as they leave the field ?
    it’s silly for a guy to go into the locker room to talk to players,even crazier to have women enter a MEN’s locker for any reason.
    do guys go in the womens locker/shower area to interview female atheletes?
    the whole thing is ridicules.
    i dont see how it’s so important to hear the same old cliche’s “we just have to execute better as a team” or ” it was a team win” blah blah blah .that any reporters male or female need to talk to grown men while they are dressing.

  71. Gophersnot says: Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM

    Are male reporters allowed in women athletes locker rooms? Equal access?
    Maybe all reporters should be kicked out and the players allowed to shower and dress first. Gotta give them some privacy. Is a guy interviewed while dumping or is that off limits?

  72. jd says: Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM

    Why is everyone coming down so hard on the players who have voiced this sentiment??? If the gender roles were reversed, would male reporters be given access to female locker rooms???

  73. gsteadman says: Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM

    Does anyone know if men are allowed in WNBA or women’s soccer locker rooms. I can’t imagine a bunch of men reporters running up to Dianna Terossi coming out of the shower to ask her about her game.

  74. rod says: Sep 16, 2010 12:23 PM

    It is his opinion, based on his experience and probably expression of many people. but this subject is taboo because of the result of no women would be no men. Mike just because he shares his opinion does not make it that he has no brains. Your opinions are off base at times.

  75. gsteadman says: Sep 16, 2010 12:24 PM

    Are men allowed in woman locker rooms? I cannot imagine a male journalist catching Mia Hamm as she is walking out of the shower to ask her about her game.

  76. faulkn22 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:24 PM

    Let’s turn this around another way. Would it be ok for male’s to interview women in their dressing room while they’re butt-ass naked? I’m sure you’d hear a different answer from them then.
    Anyways, I’m all for equal rights. Not that many of the women in the WNBA are much to look at, but lets get men reporters in there and have the interviews requested while they’re nude.
    Equal standards, right?

  77. BrianMD says: Sep 16, 2010 12:24 PM

    Then Men should have every right to be in a female locker room.
    Blatant discrimination and double standard.
    Choose both or no access for either.
    Where are the lawsuits?

  78. slowfame says: Sep 16, 2010 12:25 PM

    Are male reporters allowed in the locker room of the WNBA or at the US Open?

  79. MyFavoriteFoodisCornontheKolb says: Sep 16, 2010 12:25 PM

    Florio why is Briggs not full of brains? Because he takes a stance on a position that you don’t agree with?

  80. Elyasm says: Sep 16, 2010 12:26 PM

    That sounds perfectly reasonable, as long as male players are allowed to walk into the women’s bathrooms at the stadiums when the female reporters are using them.

  81. Cleric John Preston says: Sep 16, 2010 12:27 PM

    I enjoy that our society has become so absurd that we act like these male athletes are wrong for telling the truth.
    I agree. Women don’t need to be in the lockerroom with players running around naked and sweaty.
    You would never see the opposite, men access to female athletes while they are dressing / buck naked. Never.
    Never seen the need to interview some female tennis player right after her match and she’s naked / changing. haven’t seen that in women’s soccer, either.
    I think how PC we’re becomming is just absurd.
    yeah, to be fair, eject all lockerroom reporters. Whatever.
    But lets got get in a tizzy because clinton portis states the obvious; female reporters around a bunch a naked dudes is going to create sexual tension in a lot of cases. Period.
    Can we call a spade a spade already, and cut the crap? This wouldn’t be aproblem if these reporters could either admit the tension, or keep their eyes from wandering down south or even to staring at muscles.

  82. darlak says: Sep 16, 2010 12:27 PM

    women will have every right to be in the locker room….
    because of dueshbag lawyers like you. this world is so politically correct that there is no such thing as common sense anymore.
    lance speaks the truth, and you say he needs to be watched after????
    make the workd a better place, run over a laywer today

  83. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Sep 16, 2010 12:27 PM

    Indeed, the NFL should not allow male or female reporters access to the locker room until AFTER the players have showered and dressed. What compelling reason is there for a reporter to interview a naked player?

  84. MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: Sep 16, 2010 12:27 PM

    I was just thinking we need to repeal the 15th Amendment too.
    What say you Lance?

  85. Hailskinzz says: Sep 16, 2010 12:31 PM

    You couldn’t pay me to go on a WNBA locker room, they are all men with …..eww

  86. blitz4848 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:31 PM

    Get a grip—there’s NO DOUBLE STANDARD.
    Ea sport has it’s own guidelines BUT the one constant is that the rules appy to BOTH genders equally. Example—Tennis no reporters when either sex is dressing/undressing for a match.
    NFL chooses to allow this because they get fresh, spur of the moment feelings which generate media publicity–the NFL chooses to prostitute their players and thus are media whores!!!!

  87. SteveoStyle says: Sep 16, 2010 12:32 PM

    Florio, no one will agree with you on this one..

  88. Kurt says: Sep 16, 2010 12:33 PM

    If players are really against female reporters in the locker room, then couldn’t they include this request in the new labor deal. Couldn’t they get management to bar all reporters from locker rooms, or at least for a specific time after a game, for example like 45 minutes after a game.
    Are reporters allowed into locker rooms in the NCAA?

  89. Tyler says: Sep 16, 2010 12:36 PM

    Men are not allowed into women’s locker rooms. So why have women more rights?

  90. dcanything says: Sep 16, 2010 12:39 PM

    Lance Briggs is one to talk. Maybe women should be in the locker room near him because HE BEAT THEN RAPED a prostitute in San Francisco

  91. BernieMac says: Sep 16, 2010 12:39 PM

    So I know that there is not really a pro womens sport that is covered to this length but does anyone know if men are allowed in a womens locker room? reporter or not, this is not the place for interviews and the league should stop all reporters from entering the locker rooms! If I owned a team I would not allow any reporters in the locker room. Male or female

  92. Saints-America'sTeam says: Sep 16, 2010 12:40 PM

    Am I the only one who sees it as kind of creepy how the male media people LIKE to wander around a room full of naked men?

  93. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Sep 16, 2010 12:40 PM

    u know what the way Florios argument goes why not have uni sex lockeroom, the cheerleaders and football team can change in the same locker room together

  94. BernieMac says: Sep 16, 2010 12:41 PM

    Maybe she should think twice about the clothes that she wears and if she says that would hurt her job then tell her to STFU! and deal with it or find another job

  95. Canned Gravy says: Sep 16, 2010 12:45 PM

    Not only would putting off the interviews until post-shower/dress relieve stuff like this, it would give players a chance to cool off and think a bit before they react with stupid-ass comments like they do right after the final whistle has sounded.
    Oh yeah….and the Lions got F’d.

  96. zappa says: Sep 16, 2010 12:47 PM

    How bout all the guys in the locker room sport hard ons and force the media to walk around them.

  97. sbhntr says: Sep 16, 2010 12:48 PM

    In the immortal words of Ike Turner:
    “These womens be thinkin’ too much.”

  98. stillayinzer says: Sep 16, 2010 12:48 PM

    I believe any and all reporters should be allowed in the locker after games regardless of their sex so long as they are willing to be naked too.

  99. Deb says: Sep 16, 2010 12:49 PM

    reed380 says:
    The dumb-ass reporter was only looking to make a name for herself. She’s a 10, but only did this as a publicity stunt to get her name out there.
    ——————————————
    NO, SHE WASN’T. Ines Sainz DID NOT file ANY complaint against the NFL. A women’s group filed the complaint without her cooperation. Since she’s the one getting all the criticism, maybe the goal was to cause problems for the hot chick.
    As for getting her name out there, she is a star on the second biggest television network in Mexico. He name IS out there in the Latino community … where her wardrobe is considered perfectly professional.
    And YES YES YES Male reporters have the SAME access to the locker rooms of women athletes as female reporters. It’s only NFL players that want to walk around naked while the reporters are in there. Either that, or the NFL doesn’t set a time limit on how long reporters can stay like they do in other sports.
    The whole problem is solved if they set up media rooms for interviews. Since when is the showering and changing area part of the workplace?

  100. scottdots says: Sep 16, 2010 12:52 PM

    Mike Florio and Ines Sainz are the same person.

  101. ipeefreely says: Sep 16, 2010 12:52 PM

    I’m suprised it has taken this long for such an issue to reach the lime light.
    Everyone here has it right – ban locker room interviews.
    They even have camera’s in there, and have numerously exposed athletes on live TV. This issue must be fixed by the league immediately.
    If not, lets grab our cameras, pick up a media pass and find the next tennis tournament.

  102. ipeefreely says: Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM

    I’m suprised it has taken this long for such an issue to reach the lime light.
    Everyone here has it right – ban locker room interviews.
    They even have camera’s in there, and have numerously exposed athletes on live TV. This issue must be fixed by the league immediately.
    If not, lets grab our cameras, pick up a media pass and find the next tennis tournament.

  103. Bears_Beets_Battlestar says: Sep 16, 2010 12:56 PM

    Yes, actually male reporters DO have the same right to access the womens locker room in the WNBA (not sure why anyone would tho, have you seen those lesbos?).
    The entire media should be kept out of the locker room. That is a TEAM atmosphere, not for reporters or camera men or anyone else.
    Thats why they have the press room and really LARGE hallways outside of the locker room.

  104. Uncle Phil says: Sep 16, 2010 1:00 PM

    lance briggs shouldn’t be allowed behind the wheel of a car.

  105. dixinpunani says: Sep 16, 2010 1:04 PM

    The NFL players should file suit against the league for placing them in an inappropriate/ sexually biased situation.
    I mean if the ladies can file suit/complain anytime they feel inequality is occurring why shouldn’t men do the same.

  106. VincentBoombotts says: Sep 16, 2010 1:05 PM

    I have now started the Dr. Vincent Boombotts blog, which shall be a sports reporting site. May I please have my press pass to Maria Sharapova’s locker room, Michelle Wie’s locker room, Jenny Finch, and any other decent looking female athlete so that I can exercise my inalienable right to the same working conditions as my female sister reporters. Thank you.

  107. Pockets Straight says: Sep 16, 2010 1:06 PM

    To answer everyone’s question…..
    YES, Male Reporters are allowed in Women’s locker rooms after games if female reporters are. However, the WNBA, LPGA, WTA, AVP, and the former Softball league all had a, “No Reporters allowed in Locker Rooms” rule.
    YES, There is a rule limited reporters from entering the locker room for 30 minutes. The problem is most teams use this as time to discuss the game and final thoughts. So players are not utilizing this time shower and dress.

  108. Rex Grossman says: Sep 16, 2010 1:07 PM

    I’m with Florio on this one. Many female reports are young and attractive and “available”. What young attractive female wouldn’t want to see a ripped black man with his dong hanging out? All sweaty and wet from the showers. Washboard abs and perfectly defined pectorals. Every young woman would love to have that job. They may act like it’s “uncomfortable”, but they really love it. Taking this right away from them is unconstitutional and flat out wrong. I’m sure there have been many instances of a female reporter “hooking up” with a player after a locker room dong flash. What’s not to like about this?

  109. jcjets says: Sep 16, 2010 1:08 PM

    @thealy8676 men do get to go into the WNBA locker rooms.
    What Braggs said is wrong, but only because he misses the point slightly. It’s not that women reporters shouldn’t be in the locker room right after the game, its that *all* media shouldn’t. It’s invasive and stupid. Why can’t they wait 25 minutes, let the players shower and change, then come in?
    Changing in a locker room is uncomfortable enough, now add people walking around trying to talk to you? And oh yeah, some of those people are of the opposite sex? And for what? What exactly is the point? If everyone is required to wait, then no one will get scooped.

  110. DanSnyderSux says: Sep 16, 2010 1:11 PM

    Briggs is right btw. Do male reporters have equal opportunity to the women’s locker room after a WNBA game?
    Actually, they are.

  111. Old School says: Sep 16, 2010 1:11 PM

    Maybe players should go to TV stations for interviews ……. NAKED.

  112. NFLJunkie says: Sep 16, 2010 1:11 PM

    To everybody asking if male reporters are allowed in WNBA lockerrooms, the answer, according to sportswriter (including for the NFL, since I know she’s covered the 49ers) Ann Killion is YES

  113. VonClausewitz says: Sep 16, 2010 1:11 PM

    Keep talking Lance – you’re right.
    The irony here is the media will talk endlessly about equality as long as the villains are men, but the moment anyone brings up situations where women are treated favorably the media goes full retard. When did the truth become politically incorrect?

  114. TheDPR says: Sep 16, 2010 1:13 PM

    Briggs is absolutely right. Florio, why don’t you try to get access to USA Women’s Soccer locker room and see what they tell you?
    The hypocritical double standard in this country is not only divisive and wrong, it is just plain stupid. We look like idiots to the rest of the world for our lack of common sense.
    If women can watch naked men shower, then men should be able to watch naked women shower. If one group is not allowed, neither group should be allowed.
    Since common sense ways to resolve this don’t seem to be forthcoming, here’s a suggestion to an NFL player:
    Next time a woman is in your locker room checking out your package, file a sexual harassment suit against her and her employer. She makes you feel uncomfortable by her presence and her oogling and that qualifies. Even if you don’t win the suit at least this ridiculous issue will get some exposure. There are too many people who don’t seem to realize just how asinine allowing women into men’s locker rooms is.

  115. RexR#1 says: Sep 16, 2010 1:15 PM

    He’s right! NO reporters should be allowed into the dressing room until the players at the least are dressed. Let the league office hypocrites allow reporters to interview them themselves while these businessman are showering – mind you some of them might get off on it.

  116. DynastyDays says: Sep 16, 2010 1:15 PM

    Well, it’s unanimous…..nuff said!!!!!

  117. Nuckinfutz says: Sep 16, 2010 1:17 PM

    A locker room is a place for people to shower and change their clothes. There is no need for ANY media member to be in there while people are trying to get dressed. All media should have been banned from the locker rooms as soon as the courts ruled that women should be given equal access.

  118. Rangenius says: Sep 16, 2010 1:19 PM

    Well maybe we should listen to the actual players in the locker rooms. If they are not comfortable with women being around, maybe women should not be allowed in. Should a male reporter be allowed in the women’s locker room when the women are naked?

  119. shiftyshellshocked says: Sep 16, 2010 1:20 PM

    The more hit’s for CornHolio the more jing in his pocket. Brother’s got to make a living. Skol Vikes.

  120. Rangenius says: Sep 16, 2010 1:21 PM

    Florio and PFT are championing the cause for women to be allowed around naked male athletes! HOORAY

  121. NFL_1974 says: Sep 16, 2010 1:26 PM

    Wait….Whats this WNBA people keep referring to?

  122. Love_Boat_Scandal says: Sep 16, 2010 1:27 PM

    Male reporters are ideed allowed into the WNBA locker rooms.
    With that in mind, all reporters should be banned from the locker rooms.

  123. songbre says: Sep 16, 2010 1:28 PM

    The first comment on here took the words right out my mouth … Not to be perverted or anything but If this is to be equal rights than male reporters should have the same rights when it comes to womens sports. Society seems to have one sided policy on this. If a male reporter is in the female locker room, he is scolded, probably called a pervert, etc. If a women enters the male locker room she is “doing her job”. I believe if your going to hold society to those standards, the men’s room is “THE MEN’S ROOM”, same with the women’s room being a place for WOMEN ONLY, then it should be the same across the board. The female reporters should wait outside the door until the player comes out just like some male reporters do. But if Ines decided to go into the lockeroom then she has to be ready to deal with the pros and cons, there will be mature and immature comments, just like in the everyday world. Personally I believe she enjoys the attention, from some of her photo shoots you can’t tell me this is the first time she has ever encountered this !!! Why bring it up now ?!?! She’s been reporting for a good minute !!! Something is right about this whole thing !!! Enuff said … Let’s concentrate on FOOTBALL issues now !!!

  124. AllThat says: Sep 16, 2010 1:34 PM

    @ssousa1214 says:
    September 16, 2010 11:59 AM
    Does anyone know what the policy is for female sports leagues? I can’t imagine a male reporter being allowed into a WNBA locker room where women could be walking around naked.
    I’m surprised I haven’t heard anyone consider this angle yet.
    ==================================
    sarcasm right? That is all that has been said on this site since it happened.

  125. julieinduvall says: Sep 16, 2010 1:39 PM

    @rexgrossman, thanks for exposing your ignorance about women on a wide scale. It will help the women in your community avoid you.
    Here’s a tip. I’ll use small words, so you might be able to sound them out. Women are not enticed by a “dong flash”, as you so delicately put it. “Dong flash” is not the move that’s going to get any woman interested, especially when she’s technically at work and trying to do her JOB.
    MEN are the gender who believe that all women want them, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Men have historically been the sex that can’t seem to control themselves (or think, for that matter,) at the sight of one inch of skin or a woman wearing tight jeans.
    Again, the vast majority of naked males creates embarrassment instead of overwhelming lust, as you believe.
    The reason why female sports reporters are primarily young and attractive is because of male viewers. I might also mention that 43% of women identify themselves as “avid” NFL fans.
    We’re not going anywhere. Get over it.

  126. JustinG says: Sep 16, 2010 1:44 PM

    Briggs is right. Florio — do you somehow have a vested interest in this precedent? Every other person here thinks you’re wrong. Beat us down with some of that lawyer-snobbery, bro.

  127. Dewey Axewoond says: Sep 16, 2010 1:44 PM

    Florio,
    What is it with you and your hatred of the Bears?
    Clinton Portis made perhaps the most moronic comments I’ve heard yet on this topic, and yet you barely even shrug about it.
    Yet you hit Lance hard–calling him “brainless”–for saying what we all know is absolutely right.
    Exhibit A: 98% of the comments above which agree with him. I bet the vast majority of players feel the exact same way, too.
    You hack journalists are SO self-important, you think what you do is SO critical to life as we know it, and that you’re owed the right to stick your pathetic, vicarious little existences into every last nook and cranny of someone else’s life.
    (And yet when we REALLY need that–say, in politics, you guys become nothing more than yes men and lapdogs and mouthpieces for the politicians and their liberal agenda).
    Get off their jocks. Let them have their 15 minutes of post-game privacy to shower and joke and be themselves.
    There’s a bit of liberal arrogance here, too–an air of entitlement, like you (and all the other women reporters-ha!) somehow have a right to another person’s privacy, or you’re somehow OWED something that you’re not.
    Athletes should be accessible, sure–but that doesn’t mean 100% of the time, whenever and wherever YOU want. It should be on THIER terms, not yours.
    Briggs is 10000% right, and anyone who’s not a whining, uppity, attention-seeking clam or a needy, pathetic journalist who lives life vicariously through the accomplishmnets of others KNOWS it.

  128. Zoot Allures says: Sep 16, 2010 1:49 PM

    Revisiting this issue reminded me of my days as a sportswriter and a few of my uncomfortable moments. It would have been my preference to speak with fully-clothed people any day. I always tried to get my post-game interviews on the field if at all possible.
    I do feel compelled to point out that when I once covered the Colorado Silver Bullets, a professional women’s baseball team, the media were not permitted in their locker room. While I do agree that practically it was no doubt a good decision, part of me wonders: why the double standard? Couldn’t they have just covered up like the men are supposed to do?

  129. claytonbigsby says: Sep 16, 2010 1:49 PM

    Look for Briggs to soon “clarify” his comments, after the league office points out to him that his remarks prove that he’s full of something other than chocolate. Or brains.
    Err….not a chance! As per Chicago Tribune:
    “I don’t regret what I said,” Briggs said. “My statement is, the men’s locker room is for men, just like the women’s locker room is for women.”
    Following the Ines Sainz incident, the NFL sent a memo to all 32 teams reiterating their media policy for equal access and conduct toward the media.
    “It shouldn’t be a big deal, period,” Briggs said. “This is the same place where grown man are taking showers. It’s the same place we (use the bathroom). … This is our realm. And the media has been welcomed into our realm.”

  130. ditkaman says: Sep 16, 2010 1:52 PM

    Florio gets a little more wussy every week. I don’t understand how anyone would think women should be walking around a mens locker room. Further, how these women can be shocked when football players are rowdy in a locker room. It’s plain dumb.
    These players have wives. I would love for someone to ask them if it’s ok with them that their husbands may have to walk around naked in front of women because Florio and his liberal lawyer buddies insist on it.

  131. Bell63 says: Sep 16, 2010 2:16 PM

    Although the legal team (sarcasm) at PFT is not investigating, I believe men are not allowed in the women’s locker room because no one has challenged the rule. Just like a man could probably fight to be on the LPGA if he really wanted to.

  132. LanMan says: Sep 16, 2010 2:18 PM

    The reverse would never be allowed, for obvious reasons, but since we are dealing with a hysterical majority minority that is hell bent on making our lives miserable until they are allowed to complete their transformation to the role of hermaphrodite, it has to be allowed. All roles must be removed from society until nobody knows which way is up, there are no relative truths, and we can no longer tell good from bad.
    If I were in my early 20’s and a woman approached me while naked, it would be physically impossible for me to conceal my erection. WOuld that be sexual harrassment? It’s science people. Deal with it.

  133. 8man says: Sep 16, 2010 2:21 PM

    …well not wearing more than g-strings and pasties anyway….

  134. Dewey Axewoond says: Sep 16, 2010 2:21 PM

    Wartooth says:
    September 16, 2010 12:17 PM
    And some people don’t like people who drive drunk, and wreck their ridiculously priced sports car, and then leave the scene of the accident…But such is life, right Lance?
    ______________________________
    Not fair–there was absolutely no proof Lance was drinking when that happened.
    And given that this man has creepy little perv stalkarazzi reporters like Florio and his ilk following him around wherever he goes, into locker rooms, peering under bathroom stalls, et cetera, no wonder he fled the scene.

  135. spiritof66 says: Sep 16, 2010 2:33 PM

    Reporters are leaches an the anus of this sport, and that includes you Florio. They start $hi+ to get stories, and then it gets blown out of proportion. Then it snowballs and they get more “news” cycle time out of it. Florio the bridge troll is the king of this low rent media manuver. This post is proof.
    The season has started and here goes Florio posting about the poor tralop that got a dose of testoserone from the Jets. Who gives a $hi+!
    Got a tip for you Florio the bridge troll. Cover the sport, and let this locker room $hit die like Brett Favre’s red crocs.

  136. lars thorwald says: Sep 16, 2010 2:35 PM

    While I agree that Lance Briggs is, you know, dumb, I do wonder if male sports reporters have equal access to the locker rooms of female athletes. If so, I may have to consider a career change…….

  137. yem123 says: Sep 16, 2010 2:36 PM

    PC crap like this always crumbles when reason is applied. Always a double standard behind it.

  138. raiderswinsuperbowl_in_2020maybe says: Sep 16, 2010 2:37 PM

    I think the larger issue not just in Pro football but in Pro sports.
    What is so hard about not allowing media access until the athletes are fully dressed… Why should the media (male or female) be given access to half naked people and expect them to talk.
    I will never understand this…

  139. AlphaQ2 says: Sep 16, 2010 2:49 PM

    @julieinduval
    While I appreciate where you are coming from, I do have one question. Would you ever wear tight jeans and a low cut blouse to work? In my office that would not be acceptable even on casual Friday, and the employee would be asked to leave. I’m not saying that makes the Jets cat calling okay, but if she had looked professional she more than likely would have been treated professionally…just saying, don’t walk into a room full of naked men looking like you’re ready to hit the clubs. Not very smart, and she should know better considering her profession. But hey, I have a feeling a lot more people know her name now. Good for her.

  140. shallowfan says: Sep 16, 2010 2:54 PM

    Florio, have you given your opinion about this? Have I missed it? All you seem to keep stating is that “legally they are allowed to and players better be quiet about it”…Why?
    Why can’t players voice their opinions? Why can’t you?
    Just use a little common sense all you media rats and you will see that being in the lockerroom is unnecessary…unless you want to scam on naked guys…I mean there has to be a reason this is such a hot issue with the media…they must like looking…

  141. hairball says: Sep 16, 2010 2:56 PM

    Nobody posting seems to understand that you would never get the kind of postgame interviews or comments you’re getting now without locker room access. You’re not gonna get all of the players into a “media room” (many will skip) and many players will simply shower and leave early if you deny rapid access to the locker room. This would especially be true for players involved in key or controversial plays who you really want to hear from. They would just duck out early or not show up to the media room. While some players shut up anyway, I have heard many journalists say that they often got info or interviews from players in locker rooms they normally wouldn’t get otherwise.
    I’m not a journalist nor do I usually defend media types, but I know that many of the post-game interviews often involve a player talking while having just come out of the shower. There’s a reason for that.
    And of course, if you let men get these “scoops,” then you have to allow women equal access.

  142. NFL_1974 says: Sep 16, 2010 2:56 PM

    Keep the bitches out of the locker room when people are changing. Are these women that desparate to get some cheap thrills they have to resort to being reporters? I mean seriously. Equality or not, there should be rules for this stuff. There are situations where women get more privileges than men and vice versa. Its called life.

  143. Tarball says: Sep 16, 2010 3:18 PM

    C’mon, guys! Give the poor gals equality and access to the mens’ locker rooms! Afterall, it’s equality that counts . . . . . never common decency! EQUALITY is what they want?! OK!!! Everyone entering the locker rooms should be make to strip naked(ladies, included) . . . . EQUALITY!!

  144. Gautam says: Sep 16, 2010 3:19 PM

    ok Florio, just answer this in one of your future posts – what does the law say about allowing male reporters into female locker rooms(the only ones that interest me at this moment are the European tennis players) ?

  145. Rex Grossman says: Sep 16, 2010 3:25 PM

    @julieinduvall
    To say a young lady wouldn’t be excited by a 6’4″ 250 pound (pure muscularity) man’s body/dong is flat out ignorant. Google search “Terrell Owens shirtless” and tell me that didn’t send signals south. Unless of course you are like an ugly feminist who acts like sex is the devil. Now imagine TO’s sweaty naked body sending off aroma’s of pure manly tension throughout the room with an occasional dong flash. Sorry sister, but one of these reporters is going to want a taste. It’s human nature. My point being, attractive humans want to look at other attractive humans. There’s a reason Andy Reid isn’t getting dressed during a post-game interview, because nobody wants to see his man boobs and hairy back. It’s all sexual tension masked under a disguise of “journalism”. Let the ladies have their fun. You only live once.

  146. claytonbigsby says: Sep 16, 2010 3:39 PM

    @hairball Then simply let the journalists wait outside the locker room! Although that could raise the possibility of players holing up in the locker rooms until they are tired of waiting ;)

  147. Clevelander says: Sep 16, 2010 3:49 PM

    Has anyone ever heard a reporter ask a genuinely great question in a locker room? Or heard an athlete give an intelligent, well thought out answer?
    No.
    It’s always “So…what were you thinking on that play?”.
    There isn’t one good reason for anyone other than the players to be in the locker room. Especially when every stadium has a press room.

  148. Tenebrous says: Sep 16, 2010 3:57 PM

    darlak:
    …because of dueshbag lawyers like you. this world is so politically correct that there is no such thing as common sense anymore… lance speaks the truth, and you say he needs to be watched after???? make the workd a better place, run over a laywer today
    -For the record Lance is correct, but your assertion that lawyers are to blame is false. The problem lies with judges – they are the ones ruling out of sense of liberal-political-correctness. Lawyers can make bad arguments, but there is no reason for a judge to agree.
    [Size=4][B]To Deb. You seem to be missing the point – the point is that women have no business in a men’s locker-room while in use, no more than men have a right to be in a woman’s locker-room while it is in use. To complicate the issue or obscure this basic fact is to try to deceive or confuse the issue.[/size][/B]
    To Florio: Bah, who care about legal precedent? If a judge makes a bad ruling and others mistakenly follow for too long – does this mean that their mistake has to continue forever in perpetuity? Of course not. A group of non-liberal Justices need to stand up and do away with irrational political-correctness in the law and people like Lance and others need to stand up unapologetically until something is done to correct the issue. Do not confuse stare decisis with an actual law passed by Congress or an Amendment to the Constitution.

  149. thirdandgoal says: Sep 16, 2010 4:30 PM

    grow up, people. i see no reason why ALL reporters can’t wait in some outer room for players to come out, before or after changing. what’s the big deal about cramming into a locker room that’s already crampped to begin with?

  150. Truth says: Sep 16, 2010 6:05 PM

    He’s right. I say, keep ALL media out of the locker room. Have a designated area to hold interviews/press conferences once the athletes are dressed. Jeeze…guys are walking around “swinging” and going on.

  151. DonnyBoy says: Sep 16, 2010 6:13 PM

    Then where would the Bear players change?
    Ohhhh, he meant reporters.

  152. Deb says: Sep 16, 2010 8:23 PM

    @Tenebrous …
    Apparently you missed reading comprehension class. My argument ALL ALONG has been that NO REPORTERS of either gender need to be in the locker rooms where players shower and change. I’ve argued consistently for a media room. So I have no idea where your comment is coming from.
    It doesn’t complicate the issue to state THE FACT that the woman being villified DID NOT FILE THE COMPLAINT.
    @julieinduvall …
    On the same page for once. Amazing.
    @Rex Grossman …
    Julie isn’t saying that women don’t find good-looking men attractive. But in case you hadn’t noticed, men and women function differently. We’re sexually aroused in different ways than you are. What made the Portis comments so hysterical was the part about women being turned on by seeing men’s “packages” Looking at your packages doesn’t do it for us. Sorry to disappoint you. And most women stuck in a locker room full of men will feel exactly the way Ines did … uncomfortable and anxious to finish their assignment and be on their way.
    @AlphaQ2 …
    Plenty of people knew her name before since she was a star on Mexico’s second-largest television channel. Her wardrobe is typical of working women in her culture, where her reports are broadcast and she isn’t the one who made an issue of it. To this day she has never filed any complaint against the Jets or the NFL. A women’s group filed the complaint without her consent and SHE is the one being trashed for it. That’s not right. Gee … wonder if that was the plan.

  153. Deb says: Sep 16, 2010 8:27 PM

    @hairball …
    You make a valid point. But you know what kinds of stories will be missed? Guys being ambushed and getting goaded into going off half-cocked and saying things in the heat of the post-game moment that they later regret.
    You know what else will happen? Reporters that are good at their jobs and know how to develop sources will continue to get the scoops. The lazy ones that rely on standing in the locker room and listening while other reporters goad players … they’ll come up empty. I can live with that.
    NFL Films can put a crew in the locker rooms to do a pool feed of celebrations after playoff games.

  154. DonnyBoy says: Sep 16, 2010 8:43 PM

    Yes, women get aroused by being cornered in a dirty bathroom and assualted by a slobbering, drunk, fat NFL QB named Rapesagirlertwo…
    Or that’s what I hear.

  155. Tenebrous says: Sep 16, 2010 9:42 PM

    @Deb.
    Lol, ironic comment since apparently it is you, not I, that missed comprehension class. My point was never that all reporters should be disallowed from NFL locker-rooms – that would akin to throwing out the baby with the bathwater. In other words, such an approach would be utterly irresponsible since capturing the passion of the moment can happen and vanish in an instant. Rather, the rational approach is to allow only men in a men’s locker-room and only women in a woman’s locker-room.
    Sadly, such common-sense can actually offend some people who then erroneously try to argue, in an indoctrinated-politically-correct stupor, that it is not fair. Unfortunately, for better or worse, life is not fair. Is it truly fair that an adult can make millions playing make-believe for the camera, as small children so often do, while others are forced to toil endless hours for ceaseless days only to remain in debt? No, of course not. Is it fair that someone gets paid big money simply because of the way they look while others have to spend thousands of dollars paying for education in order to get a job in hopes of paying off that debt while acquiring even more? Heck, no. One can even ask if it is fair that some people are born in more temperate climates while others have to shovel out their cars from beneath mounds of blustery snow – or visa-versa. This list can go on and on and therefore the question is not whether it is fair or not, but rather if it is right? Ultimately it is right and rational that only men be allowed in men’s locker rooms while in use and only women be allowed in women’s locker-rooms while in use. Again – period end of story.

  156. TheSleepness says: Sep 16, 2010 10:55 PM

    the media needs to gtfo out of the lockerroom period…wait until the players come out for you know..interviews…such a pain in the ass all those vultures circling around greatness

  157. AlphaQ2 says: Sep 16, 2010 11:49 PM

    @ Deb
    This is not mexico. Her culture is irrelevant. If you think she wasn’t looking to stir the pot, well???????????????
    Have to admit. I have enjoyed many of your posts before, but now????
    Maybe she will get a reality show out of it. And if you can’t see that is was a pub stunt than shame on you an your kind.

  158. Occam says: Sep 17, 2010 12:57 AM

    Has anyone questioned whether men are allowed in WNBA locker rooms yet? I don’t have Google, so I can’t find out the answer.
    (Sarcasm)

  159. Ridge_Runner says: Sep 17, 2010 1:24 AM

    The problem is that women are entitled to equal access to the sports reporters’ workplace, and the sports reporters’ workplace includes the locker room. So unless and until the NFL or any other professional sports league decides to make players available only after they have showered and dressed and chased Uter with a wet towel, women will have every right to be in the locker room.
    So, in your “legal expertise” male reporters have “every right” to enter female locker rooms before the women are “showered and dressed”. Equal access is equal access, right?
    I have never read a dumber opinion on this site before the nonsense you posted today (and that truly is a feat in itself). Little wonder you chose TMZ-style reporting over practicing law. You’re an idiot!

  160. Marty says: Sep 17, 2010 8:56 AM

    My understanding from reading some articles about this subject is that men are allowed in WNBA locker rooms.
    The interesting thing to think about is, if this TV Azteca reporter-babe went into a WNBA locker room, would she get the same reaction that she got from the Jets?

  161. Allied Biscuit says: Sep 17, 2010 9:06 AM

    ask matt forte how his wedding is going.

  162. Deb says: Sep 17, 2010 10:59 AM

    @Tenebrous ….
    Okay … gotcha. Personally, I don’t like female sideline reporters. I’d prefer to see former players in those roles (as long as they’re good at the job). But my degree is in journalism and the first thing I did out of college was go into a guerilla war zone–something traditionally reserved for male journalists. And while I was there, male colleagues frequently expressed envy at the level of access I achieved that they couldn’t–which was a direct result of gender differences. People trusted me because I was softer, quieter, easy to talk with, and good with their kids.
    So if it’s a woman’s dream to cover sports, I’m not going to place a limit on that. My football knowledge is better than that of most of the men who debate me on these boards, so this isn’t a shoveling-snow issue. The NFL is the only sport where this is a problem. Ines Sainz has covered professional soccer players–dressed the same way–without any trouble. Maybe football players just need to grow up.
    But there’s no reason any reporter needs to be hanging around while players are strolling around naked. That’s an invasion of player privacy.

  163. ricwig says: Sep 17, 2010 11:19 AM

    I don’t think ANYONE should be in the locker room after the Game except the team, the coaches and the owners.
    I was in the locker room after a Professional Football game once. I watched a 4’6″ woman interviewer talk to a large wide receiver. She bravely held the microphone up to the receiver’s mouth while she was at eye level of his Athletic cup (that was all he had on) and asked him questions. I was embarrass for him and her.
    This ban from the locker room should be for men’s or woman’s Football, baseball, basketball, soccer or what ever sport. No Sport Question is that time crucial that the reportes need to invade these spaces.

  164. Deb says: Sep 17, 2010 11:25 AM

    @AlphaQ2 …
    But her culture is relevant because she’s broadcasting for Mexican television. She has to dress for her audience, not for an American audience that won’t be watching. And I’ve seen Pam Oliver on the sidelines in jeans that tight. How the jeans fit has a lot to do with the woman’s badonka donk.
    I said she wasn’t trying to stir up attention because she had nothing to do with filing the complaint. She provided the info at the NFL’s request. It doesn’t seem fair that everyone’s calling her a publicity hound (and worse) when she’s not the one who stirred the pot.
    And we all know most female football reporters are there solely for sex appeal. Many chubby, homely, butch women know as much or more about football as Erin Andrews but ESPN would never put them on the air. So complaining that Ines plays her part well seems hypocritical.

  165. petro says: Sep 17, 2010 11:34 AM

    They shouldn’t be in the locker room. They need to be in the kitchen prepping dinner.

  166. Dewey Axewoond says: Sep 17, 2010 12:45 PM

    Deb says:
    September 17, 2010 11:25 AM
    I said she wasn’t trying to stir up attention because she had nothing to do with filing the complaint. She provided the info at the NFL’s request. It doesn’t seem fair that everyone’s calling her a publicity hound (and worse) when she’s not the one who stirred the pot.
    __________________________________
    Yet somehow, conveniently, immediately after this story came out, she was out doing the talk show circuit, hitting up EVERY SINGLE TV/media forum that would have her–wasn’t she? (I think there were 3-4 different shows she appeared on–and that was just American television).
    Now YOU, by nature of the shared-vag-status, might be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt in saying she wasn’t looking for publicity, and that’s fine, the issue remains reasonably debatable, but no one can debate that she didn’t turn right around and very shrewdly, very aggressively, very opportunistically, seize upon all of her newfound attention and use it to push herself out further into the spotlight.

  167. jasncondit says: Sep 17, 2010 1:22 PM

    I believe a lot of male reporters were in WNBA locker rooms only they probably thought they were in male locker rooms with all the butter faces, flat chests, and thankles (That’s thigh ankles) etc…

  168. Deb says: Sep 17, 2010 2:29 PM

    @Dewey Axewoond …
    Okay … so you’re a TV reporter and someone files a complaint that puts you in the middle of a big firestorm. All these programs start asking for interviews. You’re going to turn them down?? Why give up the chance to a) tell your story, and b) enhance your public profile? Just because she didn’t create the firestorm is no reason she shouldn’t capitalize on it.
    I also share “vag” as you say with the women who filed the complaint and I’m not defending them. They had no business filing a complaint “for” her. She thought they overreacted, and based on what she said happened, so do I.

  169. Tenebrous says: Sep 17, 2010 3:23 PM

    @Deb
    Nice attempt at trying to frame the issue in such a way as to try to make the idea of throwing out the baby with the bathwater seem reasonable. There is a degree of invasion of privacy that all of us accept, such as when we are in a locker-room; we accept that it is not our own personal locker-room and thus other people of the same gender have equal access to it. To say that “there’s no reason ANY reporter” needs to be in a locker while in use is taking the issue to the other extreme for there are times when we accept other people of the same gender in a locker-room with us. That is the degree of our right to privacy in a locker-room.
    Then you swiftly moved to the other extreme; as if one’s dreams is enough to validate a complete invasion of privacy? I am sure that there are many men who dream of the opportunity to watch cheerleaders in the locker-room, and get paid very well to boot, but are they allowed the opportunity to be in a locker-room full of naked cheerleaders? No, of course not. The basic idea here is that dreams are not enough; again life is not fair. Thus, once again, the question is not whether it is fair or not, or if it is one’s dream or not; but rather the only question that truly matters here is, is it right? The answer to that is an unequivocal no for it is, at the end of the day, right and wholly rational that only men be allowed in men’s locker rooms while in use and only women be allowed in women’s locker-rooms while in use. Again – period end of story.

  170. Deb says: Sep 17, 2010 5:40 PM

    Well, Tenebrous …
    The United States Supreme Court, and the Commissioners of all major sports programs in the United States, and those in charge of many sports leagues abroad disagree with you. They’ve ruled that both male and female reporters should have equal access to the locker rooms of athletes.
    So your unilateral decision that it’s wrong and won’t work and that I am a fool to say otherwise is irrelevant. It has been working, largely without incident, in the United States for about 30 years.
    What’s interesting is that more than 40 MEN on this thread posted exactly as I did that NO REPORTERS, male or female, should be allowed into the locker room. But I’m the only one you called out. That happens a lot. Apparently guys like you want to bitch at someone and but won’t challenge other men. So you call out the woman in the group and pretend she’s the only one who made the suggestion and try to tell her how irrational she is. How neanderthal of you LOL

  171. smithopher says: Sep 17, 2010 6:15 PM

    women need to stay out of mens locker rooms, men need to stay out of womens locker rooms. if the issue is equal rights in the workplace, make ALL reporters stay out of all locker rooms. i don’t imagine the players would miss the reporters bombarding them while they’re still in a towel. this situation is just ridiculous.

  172. Tenebrous says: Sep 17, 2010 7:48 PM

    @ Deb
    So, since there is no rational common-sense argument in favor of your position, you are now attempting to lure me in a children’s argument; everyone else is doing it, or everyone else thinks so, therefore I must be wrong. However, other peoples’ erroneous beliefs or positions have absolutely no bearing on what actually is. For example, at one point in history, many people believed that the world was flat – did their beliefs change the shape of the world even a little? Of course not.
    In regards to your argument that this obnoxious system has been working for thirty years and therefore should continue is another fallacy of logic. For example, the peculiar institution known as slavery also existed for years longer and yet we recognize that that practice is wrong. Thus, if this loathsome practice has been going on for thirty years, it is not evidence that it should continue even for thirty seconds longer.
    Speaking of children’s games, it seems that since you are having a difficult time defending a flawed position, you have now sunk to name-calling. You stated that you were the “only one” to call me out, then wrote that I “called out the woman in the group [presumably you] and pretend [that] she’s the only one who made the suggestion and try to tell her how irrational she is. How neanderthal of you LOL” Do you see a problem here?
    Which one is it, did I call you out just because you were a woman or did you call me out because you are so brave? Lol, as it turns out – neither. You may recall I initially “called out” several people here and I have responded back to those that chose to respond. Perhaps you should be more careful in who you choose to call Neanderthal – it can make one look silly when they are wrong.

  173. DonnyBoy says: Sep 17, 2010 10:52 PM

    Many chubby, homely, butch women know as much or more about football as Erin Andrews but ESPN would never put them on the air.
    ************************************
    Well, lose some weight, grow your hair out a bit, learn how to use make up, shave…
    You might still have a chance.

  174. Deb says: Sep 17, 2010 11:36 PM

    @Tenebrous …
    You misread my post. I said more than 40 men posted the same opinion, but you chose to call out only the woman–me. I never said anything about me calling you out. Yes, dear, your insistence that only men can write about male athletes and only women can write about female athletes–coupled with your decision to bark at the woman while leaving the men alone–makes you an ideological Neanderthal. It’s not name-calling … it’s descriptive.
    There’s no reason journalists must interview athletes in their underwear in order to get their stories. I’ve written hundreds of articles without interviewing people in their undies. NFL reporters can either have a designated time before athletes undress from the field or after athletes have showered and changed. That makes more sense than reassigning and/or firing dozens of male and female reporters to ensure all journalists cover only their own gender. Your solution is overkill–and since it’s not going to happen because it violates federal law, it’s ridiculous to keep debating it.

  175. BCGreg says: Sep 17, 2010 11:51 PM

    NO ONE other than team personel should be allowed in the locker room. There should be a seperate interview area for the “players of the game” as well as the usual pressers with the QB, coach, et al.
    That being said, if someone is gonna drop the “equality” bullshit, then male reporters should be allowed in the female locker rooms of the WNBA.
    Golf, the Olympics, and tennis have it right. No one in the locker rooms. Everyone gets access in a seperate interview/press conference area.

  176. Deb says: Sep 18, 2010 10:13 AM

    @BCGreg …
    Try to keep up, dear. Male reporters are allowed in the locker rooms of the WNBA. The law applies equally to both genders. Reporters are given a set time to come into the locker room and interview the players. The women simply wait until they leave before disrobing. Gee, why didn’t the NFL players think of that?
    But I agree, tennis has it right. There’s no reason reporters need to be in the locker room at all. Reporters should have a separate access area.

  177. DonnyBoy says: Sep 18, 2010 10:34 AM

    “I’ve written hundreds of articles without interviewing people in their undies.”
    The George Costanza of women. Wonder if she’s also an architect?
    *******************************
    ” I said more than 40 men posted the same opinion, but you chose to call out only the woman–me. ”
    Cue the violins.

  178. GoBears84 says: Sep 18, 2010 12:39 PM

    lance = my favorite Bear. The most talented they’ve had since singletary.

  179. Deb says: Sep 18, 2010 12:39 PM

    No, DonnyBoy, I’m a writer. One job. Why is that a problem for you?
    Oh … that’s right. You have a woman problem. Soooo sorry. Maybe it will grow. Aren’t there creams? Exercises? Viagra?

  180. Tenebrous says: Sep 18, 2010 3:27 PM

    @ Deb:
    Deb says:September 18, 2010 10:13 AM: “@BCGreg …Try to keep up, dear. Male reporters are allowed in the locker rooms of the WNBA. The law applies equally to both genders. Reporters are given a set time to come into the locker room and interview the players. The women simply wait until they leave before disrobing. Gee, why didn’t the NFL players think of that?”
    -Sorry to jump in, but it is hard to imagine that there would be a need for more than two reporters in a WNBA locker-room – for other than family members of the players or coaches, or perhaps their friends, there isn’t a real big need for anyone to be there. To put this in context, if the WNBA disappeared tomorrow, how many people would truly be affected outside of the teams and their families? Now, contrast that answer, to the effect of the NFL disappearing tomorrow. How many people would upset then (outside the teams and their families)? Clearly then, scale seems to be a problem with your comparison and what works on a small scale does not necessarily work on a large scale. Again, the most rational answer is to allow only men in a men’s locker-room while in use and only women in a woman’s locker-room while in use.

  181. CDAseahawk says: Sep 18, 2010 6:46 PM

    The WNBA comparison doesn’t really work. No men would want to see those manly amazons walkin around naked. It would be like seeing Deb naked. eww.

  182. Deb says: Sep 18, 2010 7:21 PM

    Tenebrous, you’re a hoot! Nothing, if not consistent lol
    Sweetie, I put equal value on the WNBA, the NBA, MLB, and snails crawling up the side of my house in the summer sun. I was simply letting the man know that the law requires male and female reporters be allowed equal access to athletes. You aren’t going to change that, Tenebrous, no matter how much you preach the doctrine of separate but equal.
    BTW, in case you didn’t realize it, the networks didn’t hire Gidget and Barbie to stroll the sidelines for my entertainment. I’m a girly girl and not the least interested in watching Gidget, Barbie, Jill, Ines, Erin, or any cheerleaders. They were all hired for the pleasure of the male viewing audience. So if you don’t like your eye candy, you should complain to the guys who serve it.

  183. DonnyBoy says: Sep 18, 2010 7:25 PM

    No, DonnyBoy, I’m a writer. One job. Why is that a problem for you?
    ****************************************
    And an importer / exporter

  184. NFLchick says: Sep 18, 2010 8:24 PM

    Ok I’ve got to jump in on this.
    First, to those under the misguided impression that allowing female reporters to do their jobs somehow represents inequality in favour of females, you could not be more wrong. Male reporters, along with their male cameramen, are indeed allowed in female sports locker rooms in accordance with the rules their female counterparts also adhere to.
    Second, to those under the misguided impression that the sight of any man’s flaccid penis sends all women into a frenzy, you clearly know nothing about women. Hear this: we don’t think like you and we’re not turned on by that sort of nonsense. The two other ladies that posted earlier were dead right in their assessments and you’d be wise to heed our advice because we know what we’re talking about.
    Third, to those who think the players have no choice in the matter, think again: in my experience as a female sports reporter in college anyone caught naked on camera either doesn’t care or wants to be. There is a prescribed post-game waiting period before media are allowed in – it varies from sport to sport, but even if it isn’t long enough to shower and dress in street clothes it is always long enough for a player to put on a towel. If the media arrives before the player has showered and he’s modest all he has to do is take some boxers to the showers, which are around the corner and out of view from the main locker room, and put them on before re-entering the locker room, and no one’s going to catch him walking around naked. It’s not rocket science and players who want to can easily manage to keep their privates private.
    Fourth, to those who think female reporters use their jobs solely to hook up with athletes, the inverse is actually true. The majority of female sports reporters either are married or are in relationships and are still regularly targeted by over-zealous players looking for action. It happens to women working in any male-dominated industry, but it’s worse in industries where extreme adolation is the norm (sports, entertainment, politics, etc.) and there’s an expectation of acquiescence.
    And finally, to those who think women should be banned from male locker rooms, I guess you’re ok with gay reporters or gay cameramen being in there? What about gay players or team personnel?

  185. NFLchick says: Sep 18, 2010 8:38 PM

    BernieMac says: “Maybe she should think twice about the clothes that she wears and if she says that would hurt her job then tell her to STFU! and deal with it or find another job”
    You I had to address directly.
    Are you effin’ kidding with this garbage? She deserves to be sexually harrassed it because her jeans fit well? Do you also think rape victims deserve to be raped because of their attire?
    Face it, this woman is going to look curvy in a turtleneck – there’s no denying her shape (and I’d venture to guess it was a critical hiring criteria) and there’s no reason on earth she should have to wear a sack to attempt to cover it up. She was wearing a blouse and a pair of jeans for Christ’s sake – it’s not like she was prancing around on the sidelines in a bikini! – and her employer clearly had no concerns regarding her wardrobe or she wouldn’t have been allowed to go on air.
    What it seems you are saying is that she should know better than to dress in a manner in which she feels confident and comfortable because men are such shallow, pathetic, and base creatures that they can’t possibly be expected to control themselves around women. Men, apparently, according to you, are powerless to act with professionalism while doing their jobs if faced with a woman they find attractive.
    I personally find your attitude incredibly insulting – both to women and to men.

  186. NFLchick says: Sep 18, 2010 8:53 PM

    Rex Grossman says: “@julieinduvall
    To say a young lady wouldn’t be excited by a 6’4″ 250 pound (pure muscularity) man’s body/dong is flat out ignorant. Google search “Terrell Owens shirtless” and tell me that didn’t send signals south. Unless of course you are like an ugly feminist who acts like sex is the devil. Now imagine TO’s sweaty naked body sending off aroma’s of pure manly tension throughout the room with an occasional dong flash. Sorry sister, but one of these reporters is going to want a taste. It’s human nature. My point being, attractive humans want to look at other attractive humans. There’s a reason Andy Reid isn’t getting dressed during a post-game interview, because nobody wants to see his man boobs and hairy back. It’s all sexual tension masked under a disguise of “journalism”. Let the ladies have their fun. You only live once.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Rex Grossman, you sound like you’ve got quite the thing for T.O. yourself. “Pure muscularity”, “sweaty naked body”, “aroma of pure manly tension”… you’ve thought about this before haven’t you?
    As a young, fairly attractive straight female I’ve never described Terrell Owens in such erotic tones. I think he’s kinda funny but he’s not at all my type (Jon Hamm is more my speed) and I’ve got no interest whatsoever in seeing him naked. Sure he’s got a nice enough chest but the thought of him naked and sweaty post-game flapping his dong around in public doesn’t turn me on at all. All it does is make me roll my eyes at the childishness of it – it’s completely unprofessional and unnecessary. And no matter how much you wish it to be, I’m not in the minority on this.
    Oh, and the reason Andy Reid isn’t undressing in the dressing room is because he’s not a player. I don’t know if you’ve noticed or not but there are lots of fat, ugly, hairy players in the league so that clearly isn’t a disqualifying factor for locker nakedness.

  187. NFLchick says: Sep 18, 2010 9:11 PM

    Tenebrous says:
    ” To put this in context, if the WNBA disappeared tomorrow, how many people would truly be affected outside of the teams and their families? Now, contrast that answer, to the effect of the NFL disappearing tomorrow. How many people would upset then (outside the teams and their families)? Clearly then, scale seems to be a problem with your comparison and what works on a small scale does not necessarily work on a large scale. Again, the most rational answer is to allow only men in a men’s locker-room while in use and only women in a woman’s locker-room while in use.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    Are you high? Equality sometimes but not always? That’s utterly ridiculous. It doesn’t matter how many people watch a particular sport, all of the people who cover that sport deserve an equal opportunity to do their job.
    You also seem to forget that talking to the media is part of a player’s job, and if that part of their job takes place in the dressing room then players should act professionally while it’s happening. Wandering around naked isn’t particularly professional when you know damned well the media are there, and it’s completely unnecessary.
    It’s not like the media busts in to the locker room without notice – every single player in there is aware they are coming before they are allowed in – and the showers are around the corner (and cameras/reporters aren’t allowed in that area) so being ‘caught’ naked simply isn’t possible.
    Stop blaming women for the actions of men and get this through your head: anyone wandering around naked in a locker room when the media is in there is doing so voluntarily. They don’t care if they are seen by the media or they’d make an effort to cover up.

  188. Deb says: Sep 18, 2010 9:26 PM

    @NFLchick …
    BRAVA!!!!! Well said … and hilarious. I really needed the laugh tonight. Thanks.

  189. Tenebrous says: Sep 18, 2010 10:45 PM

    @NFLchick or Deb:
    NFLchick or Deb says: “Are you high? Equality sometimes but not always?”
    – Where did I ever state that “Equality sometimes but not always?” Please quote me. I merely pointed out the difference in scale – so that a solution that may work on a small scale will not necessarily work on a large scale. For the mentally-intoxicated-left, this may not make sense, but it is rational. For example, it may make more sense for a large family to buy groceries in bulk more so than it does for a very small family; or for a large restaurant to buy groceries from a direct supplier than purchasing groceries at the local supermarket.
    – SIDE NOTE: I really believe that this is Deb since she has proven herself to be prone to either blatantly lie or try to confuse the issue with false accusations as you seem to be doing here.
    NFLchick or Deb says: “You also seem to forget that talking to the media is part of a player’s job, and if that part of their job takes place in the dressing room then players should act professionally while it’s happening. Wandering around naked isn’t particularly professional when you know damned well the media are there, and it’s completely unnecessary.”
    – Are you serious? You think that the men who may be undressed in a men’s locker-room are acting unprofessionally, while women, who should not be in a men’s locker room while in use, are acting professionally? Lol, that is one asinine point of view for it is not as if the men’s locker-room is only place in the entire world where a female reporter could interview a male athlete. This really should not be such a hard concept to grasp.
    NFLchick or Deb says: “Stop blaming women for the actions of men and get this through your head: anyone wandering around naked in a locker room when the media is in there is doing so voluntarily. … ”
    -LMAO – Wow. Actually, it is only logical for one to stop blaming men for being undressed in a men’s locker room – rather than blaming men for being undressed in a men’s locker-room, but somehow that fact seems to escape the politically-correct-automaton-like-mind.*
    * For lack of a better word, since one could make the argument that a mind that is atrophied is no longer an actual mind.

  190. ruthel says: Sep 19, 2010 8:10 AM

    “Let this story go please…… Kind of like the Vikings letting their Super Bowl Dreams go….”
    WHATEVER!

  191. Deb says: Sep 19, 2010 8:44 AM

    @Tenebrous …
    Hard as it is for your atrophied, Neanderthal, and completely self-absorbed mind to imagine, I am not NFLchick. I am Deb and it’s the only name I’ve ever felt the need to use. Believe it or not, there is more than one intelligent, articulate woman on these boards. I have never lied or exaggerated about anything. On the other thread, I posted the names of the 51 other people on this thread who agreed that removing all reporters from the locker room seemed the only logical conclusion–the 51 you ignored when you targeted me as the ONLY person you would challenge in post after post.
    I have lost no argument. Equal access for male and female reporters is federal law that won’t be changed. Your “rational” solution isn’t rational if it’s illegal, and the only person who keeps declaring you the winner of this argument is you. I’ve noticed you have no problem calling anyone else names, you only have a problem when someone who’s been harassing me for days calls me a bitch and a dumbass and I, in turn, call him GASP! cutesy. Oh MY!!
    You know nothing about me because you’re too absorbed in your own ego to notice anyone other than yourself. As I’ve already requested, please turn your sick obsession in another direction. I have all the stalkers I can handle right now.

  192. the immortal SCURDS says: Sep 19, 2010 11:23 AM

    just like the victory mosque at ground zero, the solution espoused by 100s of commentors here is just too simple for modern day usa. the nudity area of a locker room should be off limits to all but the nude.
    allow the mosque to be built, let the muzlimz celebrate their victory at cordoba and new york. and help them celebrate by erecting topless bars, pork barbeque restauraunts, synagogues and temples, kosher grocery stores, and quran burning stations in a circle all around it. after all building anything you want anywhere you can is a constitutional right according to mooselems, so let er rip. otherwise these cavemen will be stoning sluts in times square three times a day.

  193. Tenebrous says: Sep 19, 2010 4:00 PM

    Deb says:September 19, 2010 8:44 AM: “… Believe it or not, there is more than one intelligent, articulate woman on these boards. …”
    -Two or more? Wait, who was the first one? For the record, I am sure there are, I just have not had a discussion with them yet.
    Deb says:September 19, 2010 8:44 AM: “I have never lied or exaggerated about anything. …”
    – There you go again- I have proven it so many times, it is ridiculous to deny it – just scroll up.
    Deb says:September 19, 2010 8:44 AM: “I posted the names of the 51 other people on this …the 51 you ignored when you targeted me as the ONLY person you would challenge in post after post.”
    -You really need to get over yourself; it does not matter if you listed 5001 other people, because you are not the point. You are saying that I did not challenge anyone else. So LOOK AT MY INITIAL POST and you will see that I called at several people at once; you were the only one to respond and I have since responded back – again, this is not a hard concept to grasp, but yet again this is another one your foolish attempts at trying to confuse the issue, by bringing up irrelevant lies for EVEN IF I WERE TO ONLY TARGET YOU, THAT WOULD NOT, IN THE SLIGHTEST MAKE YOU POSITION STROGER IN ANYWAY, OR MY ARGUMENT, WEAKER IN ANY WAY. Get over yourself and, moreover, I have also addressed others since.
    Just to prove, AGAIN, that you LIE – below is a copy my first post:
    Tenebrous says:September 16, 2010 3:57 PM
    TO DARLAK:

    -For the record Lance is correct, but your assertion that lawyers are to blame is false. The problem lies with judges – they are the ones ruling out of sense of liberal-political-co rrectness. Lawyers can make bad arguments, but there is no reason for a judge to agree.
    -TO DEB. You seem to be missing the point – the point is that women have no business in a men’s locker-room while in use, no more than men have a right to be in a woman’s locker-room while it is in use. To complicate the issue or obscure this basic fact is to try to deceive or confuse the issue.
    TO FLORIO: Bah, who care about legal precedent? If a judge makes a bad ruling and others mistakenly follow for too long – does this mean that their mistake has to continue forever in perpetuity? Of course not. A group of non-liberal Justices need to stand up and do away with irrational political-correctness in the law and people like Lance and others need to stand up unapologetically until something is done to correct the issue. Do not confuse stare decisis with an actual law passed by Congress or an Amendment to the Constitution.
    – AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU WERE ONE OF THREE PEOPLE – you chose to respond back and I have responded back to you – NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOVER (not that it would in any way make a difference toward your illogical position anyway) – AGAIN, GET OVER YOURSELF.

  194. Tenebrous says: Sep 19, 2010 4:36 PM

    @Deb:
    Deb says:September 19, 2010 8:44 AM: “…I have lost no argument. …”
    – Yes, you have – and you know it – that is why you keep on coming up with ridiculous lies and exaggerations, such as the one below.
    Deb says:September 19, 2010 8:44 AM: “As I’ve already requested, please turn your sick obsession in another direction. I have all the stalkers I can handle right now.”
    -LOL, the solution Deb is simple, of course such a simple solution may require an actual mind or rational common-sense – which would explain why you have yet to think of it apparently; STOP RESPONDING TO MY POSTS!
    Wow, what a concept?! Lol, if you fear any challenge to your weak positions — which it is obvious that you do since, we could have used this time to actually debate the merits of our respective positions instead of dealing with false accusations of “stalker” or you only ‘target[ed] me,’ then just stop responding.
    – BTW, the reason you and I are going back and forth is only because we keep on responding to each other’s posts. That is what is called a discussion – not a stalking situation. Of course, since you cannot win on the facts or merits of your position (for obvious reasons), you are retreating to lies and false accusations of stalking, among other things.
    – However, if perchance, I do challenge another one of your felonious ‘points,’ please do not respond if you are not up to an intellectual challenge.

  195. NFLchick says: Sep 19, 2010 5:26 PM

    First Tenebrous says “Where did I ever state that “Equality sometimes but not always?” Please quote me.”
    and then follows that up with:
    “I merely pointed out the difference in scale – so that a solution that may work on a small scale will not necessarily work on a large scale.”
    Buddy, can you hear yourself? You’re saying there should be one set of rules for reporters covering “small scale” sports and a completely different set of rules for covering “large scale” sports – how is that equal treatment????
    Later, Tenebrous says “Are you serious? You think that the men who may be undressed in a men’s locker-room are acting unprofessionally, while women, who should not be in a men’s locker room while in use, are acting professionally? Lol, that is one asinine point of view for it is not as if the men’s locker-room is only place in the entire world where a female reporter could interview a male athlete. This really should not be such a hard concept to grasp.”
    I’m not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this concept but I’ll make it as simple as possible:
    1. The NFL allows working media into the locker room following a game. They do not burst in without warning – players are given space immediately following the game and are told the media are coming before they enter. Only then are reporters brought in as a group for a prescribed period of time before being escorted out together, all the while watched over by the team’s communications staff. During that time the locker room is a continuation of both the players’ and the reporters’ work space.
    2. While media are in the locker room players must make themselves available if reporters wish to speak with them – it is part of their job to do so. They are working while in this situation – just as they are on field, at practice or while making special appearances in the community – and this is understood by all players and personnel.
    3. Players are not required to undress publicly during this period of time. They have time to disrobe during the ‘cooling off’ period, before media are allowed in the dressing room (usually 1/2 hr), or they can wait until after reporters leave. They can also undress in the shower area during the media availability, which is separate from the area the media are in.
    How is it you can’t seem to grasp that concept?
    “LMAO – Wow. Actually, it is only logical for one to stop blaming men for being undressed in a men’s locker room – rather than blaming men for being undressed in a men’s locker-room, but somehow that fact seems to escape the politically-correct- automaton-like-mind.”
    What you continue to ignore is the fact that the locker room is not a private space during the time in which the media and the team’s communications people are in there. There’s plenty of time when it is a ‘no go’ zone, but when it’s being used for a media availability it becomes a public space.
    Given that the locker room is not a private space when media are in it, walking around naked or conducting interviews naked during that time simply is not professional. Everybody’s working while the media is in the dressing room – and they should act like it. You’ll notice most players do – it’s just a few exhibitionists who parade around naked before the cameras.
    So if you want to argue that no reporters should be allowed in to get post-game reactions that’s one thing, but if you want to make the argument that not having a penis somehow should prevent someone from being able to do the same job as their penis-sporting colleagues then I’ve got a problem with that. Possession of a fleshy appendage doesn’t make someone better qualified to cover a particular sport.
    Female reporters are there to do a job – just like their male colleagues and the football players they both are interviewing. When media are in it the locker room is not some sort of ‘man cave’, it’s a professional, unisex work space and professional decorum should be the norm. It’s entirely possible to avoid public nakedness during this time frame – some choose to do so and others do not.
    It’s as simple as that.

  196. Tenebrous says: Sep 19, 2010 5:59 PM

    @ NFLchick:
    NFLchick says: “… You’re saying there should be one set of rules for reporters covering “small scale” sports and a completely different set of rules for covering “large scale” sports – how is that equal treatment????”
    -Seriously? I am asking for common-sense and this is too much? Again, where it may be ok for a small family to shop at a local grocery store, it may not work as well for a large restaurant – believe it or not, a large restaurant may actually want to get their groceries from a food distributer, rather than from a local grocery store. If this upset sets you for some odd reason, is not my fault. In regards to the locker-room, it is only reasonable to expect that only men be allowed in a men’s locker-room while in use, and only women be allowed in a woman’s locker while in use. For some reason, you feel the incessant need to reverse the two – since, the position is not supported by reason, then it is likely the result of political correctness gone amuck – again.
    NFLchick says: I’ll make it as simple as possible:”. The NFL allows working media into the locker room following a game”… three long and empty paragraphs later…”How is it you can’t seem to grasp that concept?”
    -Lol, do you see a problem here? Please allow me to make this really simple for you – ONLY MEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN A MEN’S LOCKER-ROOM WHILE IN USE AND ONLY WOMEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN A WOMEN’S LOCKER-ROOM WHILE IN USE. That is it – no problem.
    -As to the rest of the load you dropped, it is in the end irrelevant to that basic fact that all people have a right to privacy in their respective locker-room, period.
    NFLchick says: “What you continue to ignore is the fact that the locker room is not a private space during the time in which the media and the team’s communications people are in there.”
    -Now, see this where you are going wrong again; it is a locker-room, it never stops being a locker-room as long as people are in there getting dressed.
    NFLchick says: “Given that the locker room is not a private space when media are in it…”
    -Lol, one cannot take a fallacious premise and build upon it. The rest of your argument is just superfluous nonsense since it is clearly built an on erroneous premise.
    NFLchick says: ” … It’s as simple as that.”
    – Lol, no it is not; you built arguments upon fallacious arguments and then pretend as if a logical conclusion was reached. LMAO!
    -By the way; it is true that a penis may not make one a better journalist, but it does give one access to a men’s locker-room while in use – just like a vagina does not make one a better journalist, but it does give one access to a woman’s locker-room while in use; it is ultimately as simple as that.

  197. bigtrav425 says: Sep 19, 2010 7:02 PM

    Totally agree! Kudos to Briggs for having the Balls to tell it like it is! they shouldnt be allowed in the locker room or to talk about sports on tv with the exception of sideline reporters.Other then that i dont wanna hear women do play by play or talk about them on tv

  198. NFLchick says: Sep 19, 2010 7:53 PM

    Tenebrous says:
    September 19, 2010 5:59 PM
    “@ NFLchick: Seriously? I am asking for common-sense and this is too much? Again, where it may be ok for a small family to shop at a local grocery store, it may not work as well for a large restaurant – believe it or not, a large restaurant may actually want to get their groceries from a food distributer, rather than from a local grocery store.”
    This argument is ridiculous – what happens if a small family decides to open a restaurant? Should they be prevented from shopping at a food distributor?
    “In regards to the locker-room, it is only reasonable to expect that only men be allowed in a men’s locker-room while in use, and only women be allowed in a woman’s locker while in use. For some reason, you feel the incessant need to reverse the two – since, the position is not supported by reason, then it is likely the result of political correctness gone amuck – again.”
    No, I’m trying to make you understand that a locker room is a work place – it’s not a private clubhouse where members can say/do whatever they want or ban whoever they want from the room.
    “Lol, do you see a problem here? Please allow me to make this really simple for you – ONLY MEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN A MEN’S LOCKER-ROOM WHILE IN USE AND ONLY WOMEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN A WOMEN’S LOCKER-ROOM WHILE IN USE. That is it – no problem.”
    Except that’s not reality, dude. The locker room has been deemed by the NFL as a place where working reporters are welcome. That’s the FACTS buddy. You may think a locker room SHOULD only be used as a locker room, but your opinion is irrelevant given that it doesn’t jive with reality.
    “Now, see this where you are going wrong again; it is a locker-room, it never stops being a locker-room as long as people are in there getting dressed.”
    No, this is where YOU are wrong AGAIN. It is a work space that is occasionally opened to non-players by the team. The players do not have any control over who is allowed in there at what times – the organization does. If the team deems the locker room open to media 30 min post game, the players have no recourse – they are employees of the organization and they are required to do as the organization tells them.
    “Lol, no it is not; you built arguments upon fallacious arguments and then pretend as if a logical conclusion was reached. LMAO!”
    See, here’s the deal – my arguments are based in fact and how things work in the real world. Your arguments are based on what you think should happen, which isn’t reality.
    “By the way; it is true that a penis may not make one a better journalist, but it does give one access to a men’s locker-room while in use – just like a vagina does not make one a better journalist, but it does give one access to a woman’s locker-room while in use; it is ultimately as simple as that.”
    Actually, you are wrong yet again – by law all reporters covering a sport have access to a dressing room, regardless of their gender.
    You may wish to ignore years of legal jurisprudence but legally you can’t, so your arguments are, in fact, based on a complete lack of understanding of both the law and how the media interacts with the NFL
    If you only knew the basics of how these things work it would be worth arguing with you, but you clearly don’t understand how things operate in the world of professional sports or you wouldn’t be making the stupid arguments you have been.
    And I’m curious – if your argument is based on potential sexual interest or discomfort for players, why should women be banned from male locker rooms in your opinion but not gay male reporters or cameramen?

  199. NFLchick says: Sep 19, 2010 7:58 PM

    bigtrav425 says:
    “they shouldnt be allowed in the locker room or to talk about sports on tv with the exception of sideline reporters”
    If they have the knowledge to do the job why shouldn’t they be? Because they might know more than you and your buddies and you feel inadequate if a woman knows more about football than you do?

  200. adder says: Sep 19, 2010 8:10 PM

    I never really understood why press was allowed in the locker room to begin with. I understand that they need to interview for post-game articles and the team might be in a rush to get out the door for a flight/bus ride home, but couldn’t there be some kind of a press room?
    Anyway, to the women in this thread taking the hardline “Oh if men can go in the locker room to interview, then women should be allowed to as well” position, get over yourself, I doubt you’d take the same stance if you were a pro female athlete. You might say you do, but deep down, I highly doubt it.
    Hey, I’m all for equality, but to think that you can force a bunch of elite athletes to act like asexual zombies when some hot girl walks in the room is stupid. There’s the board room, and there’s the locker room, if you don’t see the difference, then you’re an idiot.
    ‘Nuff said.

  201. brendan says: Sep 19, 2010 11:41 PM

    Female reporters shouldnt be allowed in mens locker rooms. Briggs is 100% right.

  202. bloodystupidjohnson says: Sep 20, 2010 11:30 AM

    Funny, reporters like Florio, think that the only people with free speech rights or the right to form an opinion are the media.
    Briggs, who does not have the power to change women in the locker room, is being blasted by the media for speaking his mind.

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