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NFLPA P.R. effort incorporates the police

Though the dispute between the NFL and the players’ union has yet to escalate to the point where police involvement is needed to prevent fisticuffs, shotguns, and/or jack rocks, the police have gotten involved.

The NFLPA and the National Fraternal Order of Police have announced a partnership “to show support for all NFL players and their efforts to negotiate a labor agreement that is fair for the players, fans and NFL owners.”

Chuck Canterbury, president of the group, spoke about the move in a news release.  “As the largest law enforcement labor organization in the country, I think it’s important that we show our solidarity with other labor organizations with problems similar to ours,” Canterbury said.  “We’re all in the same boat — worker’s rights are civil rights, whether you’re playing football or walking a beat.  We also know how lonely it can be when you stand up for those rights against powerful employers.  The NFLPA members deserve respect and just compensation just as much as any other professionals do.  Our unanimous vote to support the players in their fight is a reflection of our commitment.”

“Our members are honored to receive support from the world’s largest organization of sworn law enforcement officers,” NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith said.  “As we move toward securing a labor agreement with the NFL, it is important for everyone to understand the impact this agreement not only has on our game, but they [sic] people provide security for our stadiums and to our fans in all 32 cities.  We appreciate their efforts to join forces with the players and bring awareness to the impact a work stoppage would have on our labor work force.”

It’s a fairly transparent effort to muster fan support in the hopes of eventually converting fan support into political pressure.  But the union should tread lightly here.  It’s been our impression that the sport of football attracts a greater percentage of folks with conservative political leanings than progressives/liberals/whatever the current term is that the conservatives have yet to successfully demonize.  (And that’s not a slam against either group; it’s a factual observation.)

Even if the red/blue split among football fans is 50-50, the union’s decision to openly recruit unions like the AFL-CIO and FOP could alienate half of the fan base.  And with the ever-swinging pendulum of voter discontent poised to push plenty of Republicans into Congress on November 2, the decision of the union to behave like a traditional union could end up being a huge mistake come 2011.

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  1. Slim Charles says: Sep 16, 2010 12:26 PM

    People who reflexively bash unions are morons. Hey, let’s go back to the days of child labor and no minimum wage!

  2. PED'S ARE GOOD FOR SPORTS says: Sep 16, 2010 12:28 PM

    Great. MORE interference from big brother where its not warranted. GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF SPORTS !!!

  3. SmurfJuice says: Sep 16, 2010 12:28 PM

    How about the FANS go on strike? I mean, no one is representing us at the bargaining table. And we’re not wanting a slice of a billion-dollar pie, we just want to save a hundred bucks when we take our family to the games.

  4. MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: Sep 16, 2010 12:31 PM

    “And with the ever-swinging pendulum of voter discontent poised to push plenty of Republicans into Congress on November 2, the decision of the union to behave like a traditional union could end up being a huge mistake come 2011……”
    ————————–
    I came to Pro Football Talk and ended up at Redstate! Please spare us your naive and simplistic political analysis Florio. Thanks in advance….

  5. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 16, 2010 12:31 PM

    Wait, Sting is on the players’ side in the labor dispute? Hmm….I may need to rethink my position.
    OR
    “The NFL players and the police have a longstanding history of holding bathroom doors closed during rapes, and we hope to continue this tradition into the future.”

  6. hardhead2 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:32 PM

    The police union and Pac man, never thought I’d see the day….

  7. reno76 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:33 PM

    I am now all on the owners side….keep acting like this NFLPA…dig this, the majority of season ticket holders can sit out a season….especially when you bring the thug afl-cio and seiu unions into the mix

  8. SpartaChris says: Sep 16, 2010 12:34 PM

    People who blindly support unions are morons. “Hey, lets hold the company hostage and take all we can, regardless of whether they can afford it or not!”

  9. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 16, 2010 12:34 PM

    Slim Charles says:
    September 16, 2010 12:26 PM
    People who reflexively bash unions are morons. Hey, let’s go back to the days of child labor and no minimum wage!
    __________________
    It’s not that unions were never valuable….just that those times are behind us. No single factor contributed to the destruction of American manufacturing moreso than unions.

  10. Stillerfan says: Sep 16, 2010 12:35 PM

    Unions Suck…Period. Do you honestly think goverment would have let child labor and poor working conditons continue without a union fighting for it? They have single-handedly ruined this great nation’s ecomony by using the excuse “workers rights”. BS!!! All they care about is money. They could give 2 shits about fred at the GM plant getting hit in the head with an engine…as long as he’s making 100K/year and payin the dues…we good!!!
    Again…Unions SUCK.

  11. Phil Wright says: Sep 16, 2010 12:36 PM

    Be fun to see how much more absurd this becomes as the deadline approaches.

  12. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Sep 16, 2010 12:37 PM

    @Slim Charles says: September 16, 2010 12:26 PM
    “People who reflexively bash unions are morons. Hey, let’s go back to the days of child labor and no minimum wage!”
    People who reflexively defend unions are morons. Hey, let’s go back to the days of union graft and corruption!

  13. Ucalcal says: Sep 16, 2010 12:38 PM

    Florio,
    I love the website, but I do think you are writing a very basic overview of a complex political issue.
    The NFLPA has already been working the halls of Congress with the Dems. Just like all Unions, the Dems are their allies and they have had that play in motion for a while.
    The real issue of the politics of this is not the NFL fan base being “conservative”. NFLPA is doign the right thing by building a coalition of historically strong and politically connected labor unions to support any lockout/strike. The other big names in labor (SEIU, AFSCME, Teamsters, UAW, etc.) are the ones to watch. When will they join publicaly in this fight?
    Just as Mr. Smith and NFLPA is working the Dems, I can guarantee you that the NFL Owners are working the Republicans. That is how our system of politics works (at this point in time), Unions are with the Dems and employers are with the Republicans. This being the NFL really does not change that.
    The real key to watching this is of course watching the money. Is the NFLPA forming a PAC and giving to Dems to try and maintain control of both the House and Senate? Are NFL players giving funds to key targeted US House races? Are NFL owners ending up on contribution reports for the Republicans?
    The other wildcard in this is the President’s close relationship with one particular owner of the team from Pittsburgh. If this gets to a point of lockout and decertification, will the one owner who is serving as a US Ambassador for the current POTUS have any influence in stopping any legislative efforts by Dems (mostly likely in the US House of Reps) attacking the NFL for violating anti-trust laws.

  14. birdmancometh says: Sep 16, 2010 12:38 PM

    Not to mention NFL players keep the police in business…

  15. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Sep 16, 2010 12:40 PM

    “People who reflexively bash unions are morons. Hey, let’s go back to the days of child labor and no minimum wage!”
    No, people who use false dichotomies to try to prove a point are morons.

  16. PFTiswhatitis says: Sep 16, 2010 12:41 PM

    No unions would hardly bring us back to the days of child labor and no min. wage. But it may bring us back from the brink of economic disaster brought on by unattainable benefits, pensions plans and other damands by unioned employees that are not producing enough to cover their own benefit demands.

  17. MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: Sep 16, 2010 12:42 PM

    What would be an interesting test case of NFLPA Labor solidarity would be if the IATSE (the union that represents CBS,Fox, NBC camermen and other technical non on air folks) went on strike and picketed NFL stadiums.
    Would the players cross the line?

  18. Poorly Sourced Tripe says: Sep 16, 2010 12:43 PM

    LOL, at “PED’s ARE GOOD FOR SPORTS” the police union is not a government agency you dolt

  19. geo1113 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:44 PM

    “It’s been our impression that the sport of football attracts a greater percentage of folks with conservative political leanings than progressives/liberals/whatever the current term is that the conservatives have yet to successfully demonize. (And that’s not a slam against either group; it’s a factual observation.)”
    So then why did you only slam conservatives?

  20. PYFLO says: Sep 16, 2010 12:46 PM

    This whole post is despicable. NFL players do not need a union they need a reality check. What ever idiot came up with the notion that NFL players and Police Officers share the same employment concerns should be fired. When NFL payers have to risk their lives every time they go to work then you can draw a comparison. If you think NFL players do risk their live every time they play, you are an idiot; name 5 players that have died while playing. Unions are great unitll they involve politics.

  21. benh999 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:49 PM

    This is flat-out the most stupid post on PFT so far this week. The NFLPA’s leverage has absolutely nothing to do with the political alliances of the league’s fan base.
    No one is going to choose support or not support the union based on this. Moreover, such support will have no bearing out the outcome of CBA negotiations.

  22. wordshark says: Sep 16, 2010 12:49 PM

    I enjoy following the NFL, but lock-out the primadonnas already… Owners – provide more and better long-term health insurance coverage for injured and retired players. Players – accept a more reasonable entry-level wage scale (one that is not based on draft position) that involves more performance incentives (not stat-based, but team accomplishment-based) and less guaranteed up-front money. It’s an $8 billion pie you guys are talking about — there should be plenty for all parties involved. Or risk it all on a walk-out or lock-out and dare the fans to ever pay attention again.

  23. Slim Charles says: Sep 16, 2010 12:49 PM

    LOL @ the comments . enjoy being a human ottoman for rich people. you must be one of those people that thinks insurance companies actually care about you.
    I didn’t say that they don’t have problems, just that one person can’t get something done, so many people need to work together to bring change. how is that hard to understand?
    What killed manufacturing was moving to countries that could pay their workers pennies. following your logic, i guess we should do that here. screw a living wage!
    Anyways, this really isn’t the forum for this type of discussion and i’m embarrassed for some of the people i’ve read comments from. bad idea for a post, florio.

  24. joetoronto says: Sep 16, 2010 12:50 PM

    Screw the union and screw the cops!

  25. norseman jeff says: Sep 16, 2010 12:52 PM

    It’s not 50/50 florio, 20% identify themselves as Liberal/40% conservative and the rest are independent. That doesn’t bode well for the Players.

  26. damnvarmint says: Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM

    Johnny Law needs those extra sick days for some golf therapy. I have no problem with football players taking more $ from the teams owner. But the police can only rely on ignorance in their hopes to fleece the taxpayer. When you consider that the average police officer has nothing but contempt for the public that employs them it doesn’t create that much sympathy for their money grabbing cause.

  27. Shofner85 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM

    Does this move surprise anyone ?
    NFL Players and the Police go way back …
    If there’s no football, who are they going to arrest ?!?

  28. MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: Sep 16, 2010 12:56 PM

    There would be no middle class in America were it not for unions.
    The fact that the middle class has shrunk over the last 50 years as union membership has also shrunk is no coincidence. If the Rethuglicans had their way there would be no unions, no workplace safety laws, no unemployment benefits, no min wage, no workers comp laws. It would be 1900 all over again. Hello sweatshops! Hello child labor!
    And to think so many posters (the majority Titan and Cowboys fans I would guess) think that is a GOOD thing is hilarious!

  29. SATAN567 says: Sep 16, 2010 12:58 PM

    GOP!!!!

  30. birdmancometh says: Sep 16, 2010 1:01 PM

    @PED
    You seem to be a knucklehead. How in God’s name do you make the connection between the police UNION and the Gov’t?

  31. Tinbender says: Sep 16, 2010 1:03 PM

    It’s not that unions were never valuable….just that those times are behind us. No single factor contributed to the destruction of American manufacturing moreso than unions.
    ————————————————–
    I’d have to disagree. NAFTA, that “Giant sucking sound” got things started. Then it seemed to be OK if greedy CEO’s and their bought and paid for politicians farmed all manufacturing out to China. It seems the powers that be think if we turn the USA into a third world country only then can we compete with third world countries. And we’re getting there in a hurry.

  32. shaunypoo says: Sep 16, 2010 1:05 PM

    Is there such a thing as a “factual observation”? Can you please show me the statistics to back this up?

  33. Old School says: Sep 16, 2010 1:05 PM

    Now Joe Six Pack can watch his union dues used to publicize his union leaders support for millionaires. Oh the joy of being led around by the nose by people who claim to be on your side.

  34. DanSnyderSux says: Sep 16, 2010 1:09 PM

    SmurfJuice says:
    September 16, 2010 12:28 PM
    How about the FANS go on strike? I mean, no one is representing us at the bargaining table. And we’re not wanting a slice of a billion-dollar pie, we just want to save a hundred bucks when we take our family to the games.
    Amen! I’m already on strike, having given up my season tickets and stopped buying any NFL products.

  35. footballnut says: Sep 16, 2010 1:13 PM

    You’re an idiot SlimCharles…there’s legislation against that regardless if Unions are still needed or not.
    Unions certainly were very much needed before FLSA, Title VII rights, etc.
    But today, not so much. Sorry.
    However in this particular case I am on the players’ side as it is the owners who pulled out of the CBA saying they are hurting for cash and are threatening to lock out the players. It’s not a strike…
    The AFL-CIO is losing union membership due to the Right To Win movment that has been going on. It’s why you see the UAW for a union in casinos now as they need who they can get. No surprise that a joint partnership that is mentioned in this article is happening.

  36. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 16, 2010 1:23 PM

    Slim Charles says:
    September 16, 2010 12:49 PM
    What killed manufacturing was moving to countries that could pay their workers pennies. following your logic, i guess we should do that here. screw a living wage!
    _______________
    No, that’s not true. What killed manufacturing was both wage and employment entitlements. If you once needed 600 people to run your plant, and you made a deal with a union that you’d keep 600 people on the payroll (which made sense at the time), and now you can either a) Upgrade your equipment, become more automated, cut the fat out of your processes (called LEAN) and get the same job done with 20 people, OR you can send the job overseas and have 600 people in China do it…which would you go with? Most people would decide to upgrade their own factory and do it here where it can be controlled, lead times are lessened, you can be more nimble, etc……but not with a union. Nope. You guaranteed 600 jobs and by god you’ll keep 600 jobs (or maybe they’ll throw you a bone and let you chop it to 550, based on seniority – not actual production or value, of course) and as soon as you go under, they’ll move on to the next company that’s still hanging on by a thread.

  37. FinFan68 says: Sep 16, 2010 1:23 PM

    Those that defend THIS union based on union principles that have long since passed are either fooling themselves or are too lazy to, or are incapable of, thinking on their own. “Like your benefits such as 5 day work weeks, 401K, health care, etc?…thank a union.” OK, fine. Those days where unions in general were necessary are long gone. Now, the unions act as the bullets in the gun of an entitlement society. How about this: “Got a job?…thank a business owner.” Most of the anti-union posts that I have seen on here have actually praised their accomplishments of the distant past. The unions themselves have transitioned from legitimate protection of the “helpless” working man in need of basic and responsible rights to the brazen extortion of those that give them a job in the first place…without an employer there would be no unions. THIS union is unwilling to accept the fact that their membership is among the highest paid people in the country. The players deserve to be paid top dollar for what their talents allow but to compare them to the abused workers of the past is ludicrous. The historical facts of the union vs. management argument is: unions were at one time necessary and championed for rights and benefits that we view today as basic and necessary. All unions eventually stop protecting the abused (because it is no longer necessary) and actually become the abusers. Their power and collective greed always take over and eventually destroy EVERY industry they have ever been associated with.

  38. NDallasruss says: Sep 16, 2010 1:26 PM

    Slim Charles says:
    September 16, 2010 12:26 PM
    People who reflexively bash unions are morons. Hey, let’s go back to the days of child labor and no minimum wage!
    ———————————————
    People that use hyperbole to support the need for organizations that have been outdated for at least 30 years are also morons. Here’s a novel idea: work for what you’re worth. If you do a good job, get paid more. If your current employer won’t give it to you, take your talents to South Beach. If you work for an organization like the NFL, and you’re pissed that you aren’t being paid enough millions of dollars to play a game, then try and go to the CFL, the UFL or (God forbid) out into the “real world” and see if you can make more there. Otherwise, try and be at least somewhat appreciative that there’s a group that will pay you money to go out and throw/catch/block/tackle, rather than having to sweat out on a loading dock for $10/hr.
    Unions are the primary reason why many of our industries have died off domestically and moved overseas. They’re also the main reason why our schools are in as poor of a condition as they are. The entitlement that union employees feel only because of their tenure, rather than any basis in performance, is a huge problem that will continue to hamstring this country.
    Who gives a crap if you’ve been able to fill a desk or a spot on an assembly line for 30 years?! If you’re not performing up to the expectations for your position, then you should be gone. Rather, the union would fight to protect your job and your tenure-based raises, even at the expense of the organization as a whole.
    I’d love for the NFL owners to shut down the league for a couple of years just to stick it to the spoiled players. Of course, that will never happen, but it’d be nice for the players to get humbled a little.

  39. Fast Richie says: Sep 16, 2010 1:28 PM

    Unions served a purpose in the early 20th century, they have long outlived their usefulness and serve no purpose other than driving up the cost of manufacturing and everthing else they can get themselves involved in.
    Both my sons worked part time at Jewel (regional grocery chain) in the past couple of years as a high school job. They were required to be part of the union and pay dues even though they received ABSOLUTELY ZERO BENEFITS OF ANY KIND for being in the union.

  40. hawk22314 says: Sep 16, 2010 1:40 PM

    At first I thought PEDs comment was stupid, as well. But, Florio’s post does imply that a shift in Congress could impact the labor negotiation. Thus, the comment that Government should stay out of sports is relevant.

  41. Terry says: Sep 16, 2010 1:40 PM

    A match made in heaven; a marriage between A Union full of thugs and the fraternal Order of Police, how ironic!

  42. Omega says: Sep 16, 2010 1:45 PM

    SpartaChris says:
    “People who blindly support unions are morons. “Hey, lets hold the company hostage and take all we can, regardless of whether they can afford it or not!”
    People who blindly attack unions are morons. Facts show that the rank and file have been economically falling farther and farther behind. Meanwhile the executives that show profitability by firing thousands and thousands of workers receive multi-millions of dollar bonuses as a reward.
    There needs to be a balance.

  43. Kevin from Philly says: Sep 16, 2010 1:52 PM

    Hey, all I know is that back when I was a kid, and unions were strong, my Dad could provide for the family working a 40 hour a week job. Nowadays, every family I know has two working parents – usually working over 50 hours a week – and they have trouble making ends meet. Now, could the systematic attacks on unions by every Republican since Reagan, and the false propaganda that’s come out of the Fox News Network since it’s inception have caused that? You decide.

  44. Richm2257 says: Sep 16, 2010 1:55 PM

    As useful as many police officers are, there is also a certain “thug element” behind their authority and enforcement. We see it all the time, even as everyday, law abiding citizens. We see it in all these “Click it or Ticket” type campaigns, portraying police officers as threatening goons.
    So, if there is a strike/lockout, and there ends up being “replacement” games, can we count on cops walking the picket lines with NFL players, glaring at those who have the balls to actually buy tickets to these games? Will cops harrass people who don’t support their “union brothers” by boycotting their replacements?
    This endorsement is going to work AGAINST the players, to many average fans.

  45. Dewey Axewoond says: Sep 16, 2010 2:01 PM

    “It’s been our impression that the sport of football attracts a greater percentage of folks with conservative political leanings than progressives/liberal s/whatever the current term is that the conservatives have yet to successfully demonize. (And that’s not a slam against either group; it’s a factual observation.)”
    _________________________________
    You snarky little sh1t–just couldn’t resist getting your little dig in, huh?
    I don’t think you could write an objective piece if your life depended on it.
    That demonization goes BOTH ways (just like you)–“Tea Baggers”, the perpetuation of conservtives are redneck racist hicks or greedy, corporate CEO’s.
    Hell, Saul Alinsky wrote the book (literally) on smearing conservatives.
    As for the Unions, as many people have said, their time is WAAAAAY past due–and they have been largely responsible for destroying the country’s economy (as has the entire “I’m a professional victim”/entitlement/wealth redistributing liberal mentality).
    To argue that without them, now, we’d be hurled violently back into the 18th Century is what educated, thinking people would call a “reductio ad absurdum” argument.
    __________________________________
    Slim Charles says:
    September 16, 2010 12:49 PM
    LOL @ the comments . enjoy being a human ottoman for rich people. you must be one of those people that thinks insurance companies actually care about you.
    _________________________________
    And you must be one of those sheople that thinks GOVERNMENT actually cares about you.
    LOL at all the class envy comments. You don’t like “rich people”?
    Get off your lazy government-issued check-cashing as$es (checks that are funded by working class taxpayers–or stolen from their kids and grandkids, by the way) and work to become one yourself.
    Quit your crying and get a job (or move to China).

  46. Ufanforreal says: Sep 16, 2010 2:11 PM

    # EverybodyGotAIDS says: September 16, 2010 12:34 PM
    Slim Charles says:
    September 16, 2010 12:26 PM
    People who reflexively bash unions are morons. Hey, let’s go back to the days of child labor and no minimum wage!
    __________________
    It’s not that unions were never valuable….just that those times are behind us. No single factor contributed to the destruction of American manufacturing moreso than unions.
    —————————————————-
    No single factor contributed to the destruction of American manufacturing moreso than unions.
    You ever hear of outsourcing …….I know you think the union was behind that too.

  47. Sol Goode says: Sep 16, 2010 2:11 PM

    Will the NFLPA still get outside union support if they de-certify their own union?

  48. PED'S ARE GOOD FOR SPORTS says: Sep 16, 2010 2:26 PM

    Poorly Sourced Tripe says:
    September 16, 2010 12:43 PM
    LOL, at “PED’s ARE GOOD FOR SPORTS” the police union is not a government agency you dolt
    Really? Hmm…
    I thought there were three branches of government….
    Executive Branch
    Judiciary Branch
    Legislative Branch
    Im sure you can find a way that the police tie in their somehow cant you?
    Bottom line is this. Government, no matter how big or small or affiliation, has NO BUISNESS being in sports. I may be taking this to a place its not meant to go, but our government and police agencies should be meeting to figure out how to fix much larger problems than putting its two cents in the NFL labor dispute.

  49. Whodey08 says: Sep 16, 2010 2:43 PM

    If you need a union for job security you’re probably a lousy employee.
    And out of touch w/ reality. Don’t take my word though, just ask a former GM employee how the union thing worked out for them.

  50. EverybodyGotAIDS says: Sep 16, 2010 2:45 PM

    No single factor contributed to the destruction of American manufacturing moreso than unions.
    You ever hear of outsourcing …….I know you think the union was behind that too
    _________________
    Did you read my other posts? If you want to operate under the assumption that American business can’t be competitive, be my guest. Be a victim.
    Also, I’m not saying that unions were the ONLY cause of the downfall of American manufacturing, just that they contributed to it moreso than any other single factor. If you want to disagree, that’s your right…but I’ve worked in manufacturing for my entire career and I’ve seen first hand how businesses operate with unions sucking them dry and how businesses operate without unions.

  51. PED'S ARE GOOD FOR SPORTS says: Sep 16, 2010 2:50 PM

    birdmancometh says:
    September 16, 2010 1:01 PM
    @PED
    You seem to be a knucklehead. How in God’s name do you make the connection between the police UNION and the Gov’t?
    You dont SEEM to be a moron, YOU ARE A MORON if you cannot see the political and governmental ties here.
    Now change your name to BRIDMANGOETH.
    Now I see why us Eagle fans get a bad rap.
    Dumb@ss….

  52. AllThat says: Sep 16, 2010 2:55 PM

    @Kevin from Philly says:
    September 16, 2010 1:52 PM
    Now, could the systematic attacks on unions by every Republican since Reagan, and the false propaganda that’s come out of the Fox News Network since it’s inception have caused that? You decide.
    =================================
    that would be a great big NO.

  53. DocBG says: Sep 16, 2010 3:05 PM

    the NFLPA is trying its damnest to make this as political as possible and position themselves as the “little guys” fighting the man (owners).
    The thing about owners is this, they are in this to make some damn money, if they can’t make money owning sports teams, then they will no longer own sports teams and instead move in to another industry, its as simple as that. If ROI is too low, you do something else.
    Football exsisted long before the NFLPA, and long before Agents, but it will not exsist without team owners, and people simply will not risk their money without enough of a reward at the end of the tunnel.
    the folks in the UFL and CFL seem to feed their families on their substantially lower salaries.
    BUST THE UNION!

  54. PED'S ARE GOOD FOR SPORTS says: Sep 16, 2010 3:22 PM

    the folks in the UFL and CFL seem to feed their families
    ^^^^ Yeah but den dey cant have all dat bling !!! LOL

  55. Dewey Axewoond says: Sep 16, 2010 3:25 PM

    Kevin from Philly says:
    September 16, 2010 1:52 PM
    Hey, all I know is that back when I was a kid, and unions were strong, my Dad could provide for the family working a 40 hour a week job. Nowadays, every family I know has two working parents – usually working over 50 hours a week – and they have trouble making ends meet. Now, could the systematic attacks on unions by every Republican since Reagan, and the false propaganda that’s come out of the Fox News Network since it’s inception have caused that? You decide.
    __________________________________
    That was true of most familes in America. Moms were free to stay at home and raise the kids and make a home.
    But you know what changed?
    WOMEN’S LIB.
    Women DEMANDED to be in the work place, to do all of the same jobs that men do. And so, society conformed to that demand, and its economics did as well–taxes, inflation, fees, mortgages, wage rates, etc.–until it reached the point where, for most families, it became NECESSARY for two people to work.
    As a result, you saw the fracturing of the traditional American family. The divorce rate sky-rocketed, with less stability at home and less parental involvement/supervision, latch key kids turned to drugs and other forms of trouble, school performance dropped acorss the board, family dinner time became a thing of the past, etc etc.
    Since two people were now willing to provide for the family, society came to EXPECT that arrangement–now two people HAVE to.
    I am not arguing women shouldn’t be able to do whatever they want to for a living, same as men, I’m just pointing out that in the women’s lib rush to insist upon more freedom and choice for themselves, they have ironically denied themselves much of that freedom and choice–namely, to be homemakers and stay-at-home moms (all while preserving a certain basic quality of life).
    In general, for the last 50 or so years of America’s existence, we’ve been going WAY the hell out of our way to correct mistakes from the first 250, and in so doing, have over-compensated, often to our own detriment.

  56. robert ethen says: Sep 16, 2010 3:54 PM

    The police union effort will be co-ordinated by former officers, Jerry Blash, Ed Joyner, and Anthony Barravecchio.

  57. hawk22314 says: Sep 16, 2010 6:12 PM

    PEDs: I tried to defend you earlier by explaining that your reference to government in sports might be related to Florio’s comments related to congress. You have since proven me wrong. Plainly, the Fraternal Order of Police (“FOP”) is a private organization funded solely with private funds. Taxpayers do not fund the organization. Thus, the organization is not a part of the government any more than the Autoworkers Union. Your continued insistence that the FOP’s involvement constitutes government involvement is just wrong, and demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding. Please, take an 8th grade refresher course on government before insulting others.

  58. FriarBob says: Sep 16, 2010 7:52 PM

    I have to laugh at many of these comments. People very often do actually wed their political ideologies more faithfully than they do their spouses.
    Instead of wasting your time trying to blame everything on the “evils” of the other side, shouldn’t we be trying to find some sort of compromise everybody can at least mostly tolerate?

  59. superb owl says: Sep 16, 2010 8:57 PM

    compromise? what the hell for. the left is killing this country.
    reagan democrats were usually union memebrs and they knew reagan was better than the demrats.
    democrats are just as much into outsourcing than are republicans. probly more. they just increase the dole faster so the great unwashed dont notice it.
    unions are happy with open borders (insourcing!) so they can get new members and more demrat voters. some foolish republicans go along.
    open borders means the young, disadvantaged and pre-existing minorities have a hard time getting a job. and keeping it. because mr. taxpayer is forced to subsidize illegal even more than the urban unwashed.
    in addition, couples both have to work because the dollar isnt worth a bucket of warm spit. see beck’s “the inconvenient debt”. and remember, the left is just hunky dory with running the money presses nonstop. the left is big money, and they brought us the fed.

  60. PED'S ARE GOOD FOR SPORTS says: Sep 17, 2010 12:06 PM

    hawk22314 says:
    September 16, 2010 6:12 PM
    PEDs: I tried to defend you earlier by explaining that your reference to government in sports might be related to Florio’s comments related to congress. You have since proven me wrong. Plainly, the Fraternal Order of Police (“FOP”) is a private organization funded solely with private funds. Taxpayers do not fund the organization. Thus, the organization is not a part of the government any more than the Autoworkers Union. Your continued insistence that the FOP’s involvement constitutes government involvement is just wrong, and demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding. Please, take an 8th grade refresher course on government before insulting others.
    Umm yeah and we all know that the government NEVER has any ties to privately owned organizations…
    Please take a course in removing head from ass…
    IDIOT…
    NEXT !!!

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