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Pereira sides with Ravens on roughing call

With ESPN playing on a continuous loop comments from Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis after a five-point loss to the Bengals that look and sound and feel a lot like comments from Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis after a six-point loss to the Patriots from last season, many of you are brushing off the Lewis lamentations as the product of another defensive-minded player who covets a license to kill quarterbacks.

But it’s not just Lewis.  Coach John Harbaugh — who got so pissed at one point on Sunday he may have made contact with an official (I’ll check the video once I make my way from the basement at 30 Rock back to the basement at PFT HQ) — also blasted the fourth-quarter flag thrown on linebacker Terrell Suggs, who by all appearances engaged Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer in physical contact with first having Palmer sign a consent form, or at a minimum buying him dinner.   

Enter former V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira.  Quickly becoming the most authoritative voice on NFL rules via his multi-platform relationship with FOX, Pereira says (via Sean Leahy of USA Today) that the officials were too aggressive with the flag, even though Pereira previously urged the men in black and white stripes to err on the side of protecting quarterbacks.

With the league hoping to muster sufficient support for a move to an 18-game season, look for the officials to take even greater pains to keep quarterbacks from experiencing the kind of pain that could keep them from playing.  Indeed, with each starting quarterback who goes down with an injury, the voices opposed to adding two more weeks of opportunities to injure quarterbacks and all other players will become louder.

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  1. Playtowinthegame says: Sep 20, 2010 10:50 AM

    Yeah Ray Lewis it sucks when teams are given points by penalty that the didn’t earn.
    New York Jets

  2. asdfghjkl says: Sep 20, 2010 10:53 AM

    Always blame the officials when you fail. Very good. Why not blame Flacco for the 4 picks? Maybe, that is where the blame belongs. Or, his overrated, lazy receiving corp.
    This is a cop out, Florio.

  3. PFTiswhatitis says: Sep 20, 2010 10:54 AM

    Ray should have some cheese with that WHINE.

  4. SHACKFU says: Sep 20, 2010 10:54 AM

    Maybe Ray Ray should take out his aggression on his QB who decided to throw 4 int’s…that was a bigger reason for the loss than blown calls.
    I know it’s tough dropping 3 in a row to the Bengals but damn, Ray….tighten up yo chin strap and take it like a man.

  5. af16 says: Sep 20, 2010 10:56 AM

    It was an utterly solid hit, and a crucial turning point in the game. These kinds of calls make a difference, and can’t keep happening if the NFL wants to maintain some integrity.

  6. cincykid513 says: Sep 20, 2010 10:57 AM

    F it. We won b*tches! WHO DEY!

  7. Mumakata says: Sep 20, 2010 10:58 AM

    Just saw the trip for the first time. He is rolling on the ground, legs splayed wide open, at Palmer. Good call, it was obvious what Lewis was trying to do.
    At least their was no knife this time.

  8. kravon says: Sep 20, 2010 10:58 AM

    Play better on offense and this is non-issue Ravens.
    Kravon hates the Ravens.

  9. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Sep 20, 2010 10:58 AM

    It was an awful call. Hard to admit that, being as I hate the Ravens, but they got hosed on that one.

  10. redscare says: Sep 20, 2010 10:59 AM

    It’s a bit of a cliche, but flags are always more questionable when your team is failing to play as well as it should. Let’s hope Harbaugh is equally upset about that.
    And – go Bengals! As a Cowboys fan, it’s nice to see T.O. doing well in a good setting.

  11. FinFan68 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:00 AM

    that call was garbage and they have a right to be pissed…wait until the fine comes

  12. shaunypoo says: Sep 20, 2010 11:00 AM

    As a Bengal fan, I think those were over the top calls, even though I knew immediately that Lewis would get called for tripping. Didn’t really see the Suggs call coming. But guess what guys, bad calls happen in every game. If you played better, the refs wouldn’t have been in the position to potentially change the outcome. Can’t wait to hear all the conspiracy theorists come out.

  13. JollyRoger says: Sep 20, 2010 11:02 AM

    I’m a Bengals fan, and I agree that the call was crap. But those kinds of rulings have gone against us in the past, so I don’t feel so bad that the benefitted us yesterday.

  14. slayt71 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:02 AM

    I’ve seen no one that disputes the roughing call as wrong. However, that may not have prevented a field goal anyway. The crucial call was the tripping. Ray has no argument on that one. He tripped Palmer. It doesn’t matter if it was intentional or not.

  15. Playtowinthegame says: Sep 20, 2010 11:03 AM

    Ray Lewis is right. It does suck when a team is rewarded points that they did not deserve by a bad call.
    New York Jets

  16. Canned Gravy says: Sep 20, 2010 11:03 AM

    I respect the protection of the QB’s to a certain degree, but this is getting out of hand. Palmer still had the damn ball in his hand for God’s sake. And Ray’s feet got tangled with Palmer’s on the other. What next…putting QB’s in a bubble?

  17. Crusty says: Sep 20, 2010 11:05 AM

    Oy, then where were the refs when three steelers up-ended and face-planted Vince Young after the ball was thrown? Wait, in the replay you can see a fourth person, in zebra stripes also participating in the face plant..

  18. Goetta-Head says: Sep 20, 2010 11:09 AM

    We need good QBs in this league. If everyone played like Flappo, it would be a very boring league indeed

  19. Whodey08 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:09 AM

    The roughing call on Suggs was BS.
    It is tackle football last time I checked.
    Was not a late hit, was not overly aggressive.
    At this rate just put pink skirts on all QB’s.

  20. reed380 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:10 AM

    That guy Pereira is a no talent ass-clown who has no place on television. He looked like a bumbling idiot during the Eagles-Lions game yesterday.

  21. Spungy says: Sep 20, 2010 11:12 AM

    We would happily give back those 3 points for the bad call on Suggs. First you have to give us the 7 points for the missed pass interference call. The truth is that the Refs did everything they could to help the Ravens cause, but it wasn’t enough.

  22. pt8106 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:12 AM

    If you want to see what roughing the quarterback looks like, take a look at the hit and pile drive that the Steelers put on Vince Young. The refs didn’t even act like they were thinking about throwing the flag on the play and either 2 or 3 steelers dropped Vince Young right on his head and neck. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen other players flagged for FAR less. The NFL needs to fine these guys whether a flag was thrown or not. That was one of the most blatant fouls I have ever seen that did not draw a flag.

  23. LexShock says: Sep 20, 2010 11:13 AM

    As far as the Ravens are concerned the only reason they ever lose a game is because of the Refs. Did the refs call the pass interference while TO was in the end zone? No. Keep crying Ray Ray the Bengals own you!
    Who Dey!!

  24. poodawg says: Sep 20, 2010 11:14 AM

    Well, you can’t say the Lions have no class.
    They got robbed by officials and the reply was that you can’t blame a loss on the refs.
    Play better football next time, and it won’t come down to this.

  25. Deb says: Sep 20, 2010 11:14 AM

    When you spend Sunday sick as a dog, working nonstop, and getting all your football on RedZone, you miss a few mini-dramas. Somehow I missed this one. And since your diabolical plan to turn me off ESPN has succeeded, I haven’t seen the continuous loop. But I still watch their MNF programming so maybe I’ll catch it tonight.
    But I have noticed that Pereira changed his view on these calls the second he changed his paymaster. So I don’t know how reliable his judgment is.

  26. Watashee says: Sep 20, 2010 11:15 AM

    It was bad enough that the TV announcers were so friggin biased toward the Ravens. They got their heads handed to them by the Begals defense and it couldn’t have happened to a more deserving team. They should thank their lucky stars that the Bengals offense was only running on two cylinders.
    Ray Lewis can cry all he wants. 9 out of 10 times the guy gets away with it. What a royal crybaby.

  27. stillayinzer says: Sep 20, 2010 11:15 AM

    The NFL’s need to overprotect players has become plain stupid! The game is being ruined and games are being changed. People do not fill stadiums on Sundays to watch referees. They come to see football. What can be done to correct this absurd trend? Blackouts aren’t enough apparently.

  28. Kaz says: Sep 20, 2010 11:15 AM

    Classless Ravens. They could learn from the Lions on how to deal with rules they don’t agree with. No one is complaining about how much the Bengals were flagged (a lot more than the Ravens).
    Hey Ravens YOU LOST. Like we all knew you would. No one inside of Cinci believed the hype. Why are you guys always blaiming the officials for losses? Man up. Take responsibility for that sorry effort on Offense.

  29. Nyjets31 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:15 AM

    Seems to me that Baltimore keeps forgetting ,that the officials are the reason they won there opener ,with there kicker flopping and a few phantom interference calls…SO STFUP…RAY—RAY

  30. melikefootball says: Sep 20, 2010 11:16 AM

    I love the crying from the Ravens coaches and players. The same team who loves to push the QB down ball gone or not, jumping up and pounding there chest. Justice of the NFL.

  31. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Sep 20, 2010 11:17 AM

    Ray Lewis is abosolutely right!

  32. The Real Shuxion says: Sep 20, 2010 11:18 AM

    I was planning to only watch the Hawaii Five-O opening theme song but after seeing the chick, I may give it a couple episodes.

  33. MrONE50 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:18 AM

    Since they are going to an 18 game schedule, I wouldn’t be surprised if they allow quarterbacks to wear a skirt for two of those game. NFL is the ultimate team sport. This switch to a quarterback’s football league or QFL as I like to call it is messing with the integrity of the team aspect of the game. Two years ago Tom Brady get his knee tweaked now every defender must bring the QB to the ground as softly as they lay a sleeping baby in a bassinet. Ridiculous!

  34. if yer not first... says: Sep 20, 2010 11:19 AM

    Maybe you don’t pay that much attention to your site Florio but you’ve already done one story on this a couple hours ago.
    and yes Harbough did contact the umpire – Where was the flag?
    and yes Ray Lewis did take his helmet off on the field – Where Was The Flag?
    and yes it was very obvious pass interference on TO in the end zone – WHERE WAS THE EFFIN FLAG!?

  35. cmelton says: Sep 20, 2010 11:21 AM

    Mike Pereira and I finally agree on something.
    Those two calls aren’t the only reason why the Ravens lost but they damn sure affected the outcome of that game.
    With Flacco throwing 4 picks I am amazed the score was only 15-10.

  36. jamaltimore says: Sep 20, 2010 11:23 AM

    It’s a joke. really getting to a point where you just need to put them in Red Jerseys and say no contact. If they get touched by a hand of any defensive player they are down.
    The tripping call totally bogus as well. regardless of how ray ended up at palmers feet he knocked him down for the tackle. If not please tell commentators to stop saying so and so was TRIPPED UP for the tackle. really calling a blitzing middle linebacker for tripping the QB?
    Flacco sucked and the ravens didn’t deserve to win but these calls make it more and more difficult to watch these games.

  37. golfguy043 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:24 AM

    Yet when Romo got whacked in the head yesterday, no flag. atleast try to be consistent.

  38. Kenneth Mullins says: Sep 20, 2010 11:26 AM

    Yeah, well, lets also talk about the interference penalty against TO in the end zone. The reality is that Joe Flacco had 4 turnovers and Carson Palmer had none. Complaining about the officials is the last refuge of a loser. I guess when the Ravens win its because they are better than you and when they lose its because of the striped shirts. In this case, it was because the guys in the orange and black striped shirts were better.

  39. ricebowl says: Sep 20, 2010 11:26 AM

    Terrible call, not the reason they lost though.

  40. RavensFreak00 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:34 AM

    That was a bad call and so was the tripping call, but the Ravens put themselves in that position by Flacco throwing 4 picks. That is what cost them the game.

  41. coal says: Sep 20, 2010 11:35 AM

    The Bengals were on the wrong side of a similar call in 2006 when Justin Smith was flagged for the same exact penalty versus Tampa Bay. It cost us a playoff spot that year.
    This is simply karma returning the favor.

  42. DemocratsAreStupid says: Sep 20, 2010 11:36 AM

    The Ravens offense definitely played like crap and the refs shouldn’t determine the outcome. In this case they did because the Bengals offense wasn’t any good either, it was defense vs. defense. Their bad calls determined the outcome.
    Either way, you can’t really expect the Ravens to win in Cincy anyway. The Bengals match up really well against them

  43. pacstud says: Sep 20, 2010 11:37 AM

    Watch the Bills play the Dolphins in week 1 and you’ll see why the league, as a business/entertainment industry, needs to keep good QBs alive.
    It is, what it is.

  44. bwisnasky says: Sep 20, 2010 11:38 AM

    I think the biggest problem is not the fact that crappy calls are made, it’s just there is no consistency whatsoever from game to game. You had these guys getting flagged, you had the Steelers not getting flagged, you had a DE in the Raiders/Rams game getting flagged for giving Gradkowski a shove, last week you had Tennessee piledriving Campbell to the turf and no flag…. I think in the old days it didn’t matter, because the blown calls weren’t as easily seen as they are now days…. I just want some consistency from all officials. The NFL needs to cut loose some of their change and hire full time officials that actually truthfully study during the offseason. Just like with the Calvin Johnson TD that wasn’t.. it was the same with Louis Murphy the year before, and then the following week someone from Tennessee did the same thing against Houston and they gave them the touchdown. For god’s sake, let’s just all get on the same page.

  45. CaptainObvious says: Sep 20, 2010 11:39 AM

    I care about what Mike Pereira has to say about as much as I care about what Terry Bradshaw has to say.

  46. Spungy says: Sep 20, 2010 11:39 AM

    On Friday Florio said that the best way for the Ravens to make the playoffs was to sweep the Ravens. Well, one done, five to go!

  47. asdfghjkl says: Sep 20, 2010 11:39 AM

    Yeah, drag the Steelers into this. Typical. But, it’s only delusions on your part.

  48. yem123 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:41 AM

    1. keep it at 16 games. don’t dilute your product.
    2. let the players actually PLAY and HIT
    3. get a full time officiating staff of guys under 50. you have a few billion in the bank which can more than cover the expenses.
    4. let the color commentators decide plays under review. they’re just as accurate and 10 times quicker.

  49. palewook says: Sep 20, 2010 11:45 AM

    floria, why not do a story about how TJ HushIGotNoReceptions, blew a route yesterday that led to an interception which cost his team the game?
    oh yeah, its the bungals, you can’t do a story like that. jesus or the refs stole the game, got it.
    .333 since 2003. that’s an awful lot of excuses.

  50. turdfurguson says: Sep 20, 2010 11:46 AM

    For all the idiots out there crying about the refs screwing the ravens… Even think there might be a reason the refs are tough on the ravens? Maybe because they talk trash about hurting quarterbacks and how they are going to war and that the other team better watch out cause they gonna break them? Maybe Suggs and Lewis are cheap shotting thugs? Oh and would that raspy voiced loser have complained if an offensive linemen had been called for a trip or leg whip after being blocked into ray lewis? F no. He wouldn’t have said a word just stomped around and made murderous stabbing motions with his arms. He’s a warrior/killer/murderer/winy cry baby.

  51. 100 no's and 1 yes still mean yes says: Sep 20, 2010 11:47 AM

    Yea we did play terrible and prolly didn’t deserve to win with the way flacco played but those 2 penalties did keep drives alive that lead to 6 points in a 5 point game so I would be angry too if I was ray

  52. habibfromnewdehli says: Sep 20, 2010 11:48 AM

    Whenever the Ravens and Bengals play eachother…
    The game comes down to a penalty in last few minutes of the 4th quarter.
    There was Todd Heap getting a “offensive pass interference” on what was the game winning TD.
    There was Ray Lewis hitting Chad OchoCinco too hard, while not making contact with his helmet at all. It was shoulder, and has been proven with the RIGHT replays which most media outlets failed to obtain.
    Then we have Suggs “roughing the passer.”
    I could continue, and go back further… but those are the most recent instances.
    Yes, Flacco sucks… which made the Ravens offense suck. BUT that doesn’t mean that they deserve to be CHEATED. The Ravens still played “well enough” to win. But the officials, once again, decided the game.
    And I agree… the Jets were cheated against the Ravens in Week 1. Almost the same exact circumstance… Jets played well enough to win(even though offense sucked), but got cheated.

  53. somesome says: Sep 20, 2010 11:50 AM

    I said last week that the Bengals have everything in their court to win the game – Ravens second road game, short week after a tough Monday nighter, and Bengals are already 0-1 in the hole and against an AFC opponent. Imagine if the Bengals lost and would have started with 0-2 against the AFC.
    Everything was in favor of the Bengals, in addition Palmer has their number … but seriously the majority of the comments are beyond pathetic. 5 field goals off of 4 INTs …. No TD … in your OWN house, the Bengals won the game but sorry the pathetic performance was on the more high powered offense side of the Bengals. let alone two drives for 3 points each were extended by not questionable but non calls. Suggs already had Palmer wrapped around the hips while Palmer still had the ball and tried to throw it away. How can this ever under any circumstance be a roughing the passer call??? He did not go for his legs and did not touch his head. Complete utter nonsense.
    As for the tripping call, whatever, Ray was cut blocked and rolled with his back to the QB, call it – don’t call it either way there will be crying, same as with the roughing the kicker call in last weeks game against the JETS.
    But for any Bengal fan to thump their chest is beyond me, FIVE FIELD GOALS, in your own stadium, you HAVE to win at home, where do you go from here? Palmer overthrew TO and Ocho left an right.
    You can do the victory dance this week, lets see how you handle the desolate Panthers next week … on the road

  54. Backlund in 2012 says: Sep 20, 2010 11:54 AM

    I wasn’t able to watch the game, but one of two things have to apply about hearing about a story like this AGAIN.
    1) The Ravens bitch a lot about officiating.
    2) The refs blow a lot of calls in Ravens losses.
    I don’t hate the Ravens (I actually like them), but I sure hope it’s #1, because if it’s #2 – the refs have screwed the Ravens awfully bad for two years in a row.

  55. smittygans says: Sep 20, 2010 11:56 AM

    I agree the call on Palmer was touchy but what about the no-call of pass interference in the end zone with T.O. The DB was clearly pulling his arm down as the ball arrived. That was big miss on the ref’s part. I’m sure Ray Lewis and Jim Harbaugh ‘didn’t see ” that one. Do you hear any Bengals complaining about that no-call??

  56. Katmanduu says: Sep 20, 2010 12:04 PM

    Both teams blow chunks, as I can’t stand either one. But let’s face facts here: the Ravens got hosed. Period.
    Hope the Bungles had their little fun. They won’t win many this season.

  57. Nick says: Sep 20, 2010 12:07 PM

    @pt8106 – enlighten me, how was that roughing the quarterback? It wasnt helmet to helmet, the whistle was blown in the middle of the takedown….

  58. GBfanForever says: Sep 20, 2010 12:11 PM

    That was a way worse call than the Calvin Johnson call because in that case an actual rule was violated. It’s the kind of call that makes you start to think that vegas has more say in football games than we like to believe.

  59. BC74 says: Sep 20, 2010 12:16 PM

    I luv it when Ray moans and groans. It is the same sound when Ray stabbed a human being to death. No flag was thrown when “Mr. SLICE & DICE” took his helmet because the ref did not the situation to get more out of hand. It does seem the referees DO protect Carson Palmer since he was taken out by the Steelers in a playoff game
    I too was surprised no flag was thrown when the Steelers planted Vince Young. BUT, I’m sure fines will be handed out
    Who did Tampa beat this year??? The Browns, a team lucky to win 3 games this year. Carolina, a team that didn’t have an offensive touchdown in the preseason

  60. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Sep 20, 2010 12:20 PM

    There were a number of other bad calls and non calls (a missed PI in the end zone stands out) that went against the Bengals. It’s always lame to cherry pick one bad call that went against you and blame that for the loss. The officiating was sort of questionable in general, but it wasn’t biased against them.
    The call on Lewis was easy, he was trying to trip Palmer. The Suggs call was borderline – he engaged right after the throw, but they often do call that for driving the QB into the ground as Suggs did. That gets called probably 50% of the time.
    All in all, quit whining Ravens. You lost to the Bengals. Again.

  61. Cullen says: Sep 20, 2010 12:22 PM

    2006 Bengals DE Robert Geathers sacks Bucs QB Bruce Gratkowski, clean sack that should have ended the game, but Geathers was penalized for roughing and the Bucs ended up marching down the field and winning the game. It cost the Bengals the playoffs that year. It was a crap call then and the call against Suggs was a crap call yesterday. Go back and look at the pass to T.O. in the end zone yesterday, it was an obvious PI that was not called, that would have put the Bengals on the goal line and possibly given them six. So officiating was bad both ways. Bottom line is you have to play better to win.

  62. momar3000 says: Sep 20, 2010 12:26 PM

    I’m not concerned with the outcome of the game, Flacco lost it for us.
    I just want to see real football played, not this soft ass stuff they want us to watch.
    Roger Staubach agrees with me as does Johnny U’s ghost.

  63. kayC says: Sep 20, 2010 12:30 PM

    “The Bengals were on the wrong side of a similar call in 2006 when Justin Smith was flagged for the same exact penalty versus Tampa Bay. It cost us a playoff spot that year.
    This is simply karma returning the favor.”
    Christ. An almost-win against Tampa Bay FOUR YEARS AGO? For reals?
    It must be so f-ing miserable to be a Bengals fan.

  64. Jungle Juice says: Sep 20, 2010 12:30 PM

    As a Bengals fan, the Roughing call was BS, but I think the Bengals are the ones who got the worst of the calls/non-calls. No pass interference on T.O. going up to make a TD catch was horrible, 2 obvious holds on the Ravens – one guy was tackled, another was going in for a sack and the guy was pulling him down by his jersey! Bad calls go both ways.
    Keep crying Ray, you did it last year too and we had to beat you again to shut you up.
    3 in a row, 9-3 with Palmer over the Ravens – when will the Ravens admit the Bengals have dominated them the last several years and quit blaming the Refs?
    Now Rays dance is comical.

  65. Kaz says: Sep 20, 2010 12:31 PM

    Ravens fail to blaim there special teams that allowed Scott to return the ball for 60 yards. We would have hit the field goal anyway. Nugent has no problem hitting from 54+…

  66. ravensd1021 says: Sep 20, 2010 12:37 PM

    The call blew but Flacco and Cameron cost us the game, we got beat. Where’s Ray Rice? We’ve got to stop trying so hard to be a passing jugernaut and get back to who we are a run it up the gut first and take our shots downfield second offense.
    I’m optimistic that Sunday was our rock bottom and we’ll start to play to our talent level moving forward. I’m glad we have the Browns sorry squad to right the ship next week

  67. normcfh says: Sep 20, 2010 12:40 PM

    You can see a few Bengals fans admitting that the plays in question were questionable.
    You see ZERO Ravens fans admitting that the refs missed a penalty on the Ravens D that cost TO a touchdown.
    It works both ways, crybabies. Take the time you spend b!tching and use it to teach your QB to throw the ball to someone on his own team next time.

  68. 60minuteassassin says: Sep 20, 2010 12:43 PM

    Let me start by saying I am a huge Raven fan, but I wish that Ray wouldn’t do this after a loss as it looks like sour grapes. The Ravens weren’t good enough yesterday and deserved to lose. That said, I think every poster on this board should be concerned about the game you love if that call against Suggs becomes the norm. It was one of the worst calls I have ever seen.

  69. Cleric John Preston says: Sep 20, 2010 12:46 PM

    Ah, the ignorant PFT community. How many of you guys are actual NFL fans and not just homers for your team?
    If you saw this game, these were two bad calls.
    The one of Terrell Suggs, he hit Palmer in the “strike zone” as Palmer held the ball. Palmer then dumps off the ball nowhere (could have easily been another intentional grounding) and they call roughing. How else can you hit a QB? Why don’t we put flags on QBs and you can’t tackle them?
    The Ray Lewis tripping call is a bit more gray than black and white. Its clear he was blocked into Palmer. Did he not have his legs crossed as he rolled? Yeah, no he didn’t.
    But who knows.

  70. Stillerfan says: Sep 20, 2010 12:52 PM

    Hey Ray-Ray…I’ll let that one bad call wash out Flacco’s pick…oh wait…he had 4 picks?! Sorry Ray-Ray, I didn’t see 4 bad calls. Do you realize how big of a hipocrit you’re being? oh wait….you’re Ray-Ray.

  71. Suitcasehead Golic says: Sep 20, 2010 12:58 PM

    I hate the Ravens 100x more than Florio..But The Stabber is 100% right—Goodell and the owners are turning this into a PUSSY league..

  72. CincyAllDaWay says: Sep 20, 2010 1:00 PM

    af16 says:
    September 20, 2010 10:56 AM
    It was an utterly solid hit, and a crucial turning point in the game. These kinds of calls make a difference, and can’t keep happening if the NFL wants to maintain some integrity.
    As a Bengals fan I’ll be the first to admit that the Suggs call was a bad call. but anyone who has any illusions about this being the reason the Ravens lost the game is a complete and udder TARD! They lost because their O-line played like Shit! Plain and simple. They couldn’t keep Cincy’s D out of Falco’s face! Ravens D played good but Cincy’s D played better….Bottom Line!

  73. Ravens_nest_20 says: Sep 20, 2010 1:03 PM

    In response to your comments; I am a Ravens fan and i agree with the majority of your comments. Flacco did a lot towards losing the game. He played horribly. Also the Bengal’s defense played really well. I don’t like the Jets fans saying we shouldn’t talk about the refs because they gave us the game last week. Maybe Braylon should control his body. Back to this week. The tripping call was iffy and the roughing the passer call was absolute BULL. The Ravens Defense has been outstanding in both games this year and isn’t receiving any credit (we still don’t have the best safety in the league). We played the game in Cincinnati and turned the ball over 4 times and still only lost by 5 points. The last time i checked a playoff contender should win at there home stadium.

  74. boysrollsmokespole says: Sep 20, 2010 1:04 PM

    Crybaby ray says theres no whining on the field but I guess its ok to whine to the press in the locker room. I just can’ t remember crybaby ray whining about calls that went his way. Keep banging your spoon on your high chair you Baltimoron. Just because you got off a murder rap doesnt entitle you to have every call go your way.

  75. FAS says: Sep 20, 2010 1:16 PM

    Typical Ravens…they’re not happy unless they are whining about bad calls or stabbing someone to death.

  76. clintcooper says: Sep 20, 2010 1:23 PM

    Does anyone else notice that it’s always the Ravens getting the totally bogus calls from the officials? This happened many times last season as well.

  77. bengal4life07 says: Sep 20, 2010 1:40 PM

    The officials didn’t throw a single pick.

  78. CincyAllDaWay says: Sep 20, 2010 1:44 PM

    ccoolahan14 says:
    September 20, 2010 1:03 PM
    At what point do the MORONS on here acknowledge that the ravens divisional/crucial games are RIGGED? PS- I said BEFORE the game that this game would be rigged- how did I know? Because the Ravens are playing a good divisional opponent, and those games are ALWAYS rigged. Anyoen remember when the Bengals beat the Ravens LAST year? Oh, that’s right, with the Ravens up by 3 and the Bengals starting their last drive on their own 20, the Ravens, after apparently playing disciplined al l game considering they weren’t penalized, get called for THREE penalties on the game winning drive ALONE! You wanna see what constitutes helmet to helmet if you’re the Ravens and playing in a big game?
    ccoolahan14…please just STFU………spewing nonsense like this only makes you look like a bigger idiot than you really are if that’s even possible. So now the league rigs games but only the Ravens games??? Do you know how retarded you sound? You were outplayed, out coached and Cincy’s D played better, fact! The Ravens lost because Flaco was hurried the entire game. He never got comfortable as was constantly throwing off of his back foot! Not to mention the fact that every time he did get a ball off his receivers were covered by the Cincy corners all day long, hence the 4 picks fool! You lost, big deal try again next week but stop the whine assing about the officials! Bad calls are made every week, some go your way and some don’t but this conspiracey theory about the Ravens games being rigged are just fing stupid!!

  79. ppdoc13 says: Sep 20, 2010 1:44 PM

    Both of the calls sucked. That being said, the Ravens lost this game because our QB threw 4 INT’s. Period. End of statement. Congrats to the Bengals for winning. Fact that we had a chance at the end of the game with as poorly as our offense played says it all. Personally, I think the Bengals are over-rated, but they beat us, and until we beat them they have the right to talk.

  80. Deb says: Sep 20, 2010 1:45 PM

    poodawg says:
    Well, you can’t say the Lions have no class. They got robbed by officials and the reply was that you can’t blame a loss on the refs.
    AMEN!!! Schwartz was the class of the NFL week one. Young was equally classy about the hit from the Steelers, saying he doesn’t expect to get the same calls as a top 5 QB. I disagree.
    Refs should be consistent. Calls are subjective. But if refs spent hours watching film together, plays would be judged more consistently.
    It’s all about $$$ and could be resolved if the NFL hired full-time officials like other major sports and booth replay officials like the NCAA.

  81. Goetta-Head says: Sep 20, 2010 1:50 PM

    @Cleric John Preston
    The pass landed at the feet of Cedric Benson. FYI

  82. jmorand47 says: Sep 20, 2010 2:05 PM

    Hey, I have got to agree with Ray on this one. I mean, how on earth can Sugg’s sack on Palmer be a roughing the passer penalty, yet the Steelers’ gang-tackle, body slam on Vince Young NOT be a penalty? I mean, Good God, refs get this crap right. How hard is this?

  83. © says: Sep 20, 2010 2:13 PM

    No call on the WWE move put on Vince Young should be a bigger issue.

  84. thebronconator says: Sep 20, 2010 2:13 PM

    Yeah you don’t want to upset Ray Lewis!! Last time someone upset him there was someone that got stabbed in the neck!!!

  85. topcat says: Sep 20, 2010 2:32 PM

    Of course no one mentions the blatant pass interference on TO in the end zone where there CB pulled his arm down before the ball arrived? Close/questionable calls go both ways and in the cosmic sense even out, so quit with the excuses. You lost. Again.

  86. Fear Da Tiger says: Sep 20, 2010 2:48 PM

    “normcfh says:
    September 20, 2010 12:40 PM
    You can see a few Bengals fans admitting that the plays in question were questionable.
    You see ZERO Ravens fans admitting that the refs missed a penalty on the Ravens D that cost TO a touchdown.
    It works both ways, crybabies. Take the time you spend b!tching and use it to teach your QB to throw the ball to someone on his own team next time.”
    That may have been one of the most intelligent posts I’ve seen in awhile.
    So Ravens fans, are you STILL unwilling to admit that that was PI on TO in the end zone? If so, please take of your homer shades and look at this objectively. If you can’t look at it objectively, then STFU.

  87. RavensRick says: Sep 20, 2010 2:54 PM

    This isn’t about why the Ravens lost, who is better than whom, what team gets more penalty calls or less, or about losing players whining and making excuses.
    I don’t care who got the calls. This is about 2 seriously poor calls involving protecting the quarterback. The overly precise rules are confusing for the players, the officials and the fans. I listened to the ref try to explain the Suggs call and it came down to his belief that Suggs INTENTIONALLY used his weight to drive the QB into the turf. The tripping call on Lewis came down to the ref believing Lewis INTENTIONALLY lifted his leg to whip the QB (again, according to the rules, it’s not a foul if it’s not intentional).
    In both cases, the NFL has asked the officials to determine intent at game speed, which is nearly impossible and leaves the refs to rely on their opinion of what a player meant to do. This is a very difficult thing to officiate consistently game to game and from crew to crew. For the players, it must be infuriating to deal with different standards from week to week. For a coach, how on earth do you teach your players to play smart and aggressive football around the QB when the standards change from week to week? For the officials, they’re being asked to manage and enforce more and more complicated rules. As a fan, I see more and more calls which don’t pass the common sense test.

  88. PSURavens says: Sep 20, 2010 3:21 PM

    Ray isn’t blaming the game on the officials, just saying it didn’t help. Obviously, Flacco was the issue yesterday and this is coming from a Ravens fan.

  89. Kaz says: Sep 20, 2010 3:25 PM

    Penalties Bengals 9-56, Ravens 5-45. It’s not our fault the Ravens never capitalized on any of the 9 penalties thrown at the Bengals. They still had 3 drives after the roughing the passer call to try to score. They didn’t.

  90. tafiti80 says: Sep 20, 2010 3:44 PM

    Bengals fan here, and the Suggs call was indeed garbage. I would’ve been pissed about that, too. But come on, the tripping call on Lewis was absolutely legit–that’ll get called every time. He clearly raised his leg high in the air as he was rolling over. Easy call. Ravens fans are just bitter because it’s not called that often (because it doesn’t happen that often) and it came at an inopportune time.
    And, as other have already pointed out, the Ravens benefitted from some non-calls, so let’s just drop the “that-call-cost-us-the-game” line right about now.

  91. JuicyMelon says: Sep 20, 2010 5:12 PM

    Stop the Presses, Stop the Presses…You mean to say that Pereira actually sided with someone other than the ref? I can’t believe it!
    Yeah those two calls were BS, but the Ravens lost. I understand the frustration. But they still lost. There offense can’t do anything and their D is aging.

  92. BigOx says: Sep 20, 2010 5:54 PM

    Cincy fans – don’t get too giddy. You had multiple opportunities in or near the red zone and you had to rely on Nugent for points. Both offenses looked anemic – neither should be happy with how they played.

  93. Bmorebound says: Sep 20, 2010 6:16 PM

    Ummm…Lets see. I can admit that the Bengals won. Whether it was a fair win I don’t know about that one. Our Defense played pretty well. But, that offense stunk especially Flacco. Something has to change. Back to the “D” yeah we got gabbed. I don’t care who says those two calls were legit. Ray was trying to catch his balance. If you never played football or wrestled you wouldn’t know. If someone tried to chop block you and you tripped over that person what do you think your first reaction would be? Just continue to sit in front of your TV and analyze the game to yourself before saying Ray admitted to doing that. C’mon Be REAL

  94. DirtDawg55 says: Sep 20, 2010 6:26 PM

    Non Ravens, non Bengals fan here. Lewis call was understandable. May not have been an intentional trip, but it was a trip nonetheless. Suggs call was ridiculous though. One of the worst roughing penalties called ever. What was he supposed to do? Stop mid flight?

  95. HardcoreH1 says: Sep 20, 2010 6:38 PM

    The ref threw the flag because he thought Ray was going for his gun.

  96. ejmat says: Sep 21, 2010 10:07 AM

    So let me get this straight. Mike Pereira actually sides with someone other than the refs? You would think he’s not in charge anymore and not trying to pull BS out of his butt……
    oh wait…….
    He isn’t in charge anymore. So I guess NOW it’s okay to not make excuses for the refs.

  97. WhoDeySood5 says: Sep 21, 2010 4:04 PM

    habibfromnewdehli says:
    September 20, 2010 11:48 AM
    Whenever the Ravens and Bengals play eachother…
    The game comes down to a penalty in last few minutes of the 4th quarter.
    There was Todd Heap getting a “offensive pass interference” on what was the game winning TD.
    There was Ray Lewis hitting Chad OchoCinco too hard, while not making contact with his helmet at all. It was shoulder, and has been proven with the RIGHT replays which most media outlets failed to obtain.
    Then we have Suggs “roughing the passer.”
    I could continue, and go back further… but those are the most recent instances.
    Yes, Flacco sucks… which made the Ravens offense suck. BUT that doesn’t mean that they deserve to be CHEATED. The Ravens still played “well enough” to win. But the officials, once again, decided the game.
    And I agree… the Jets were cheated against the Ravens in Week 1. Almost the same exact circumstance… Jets played well enough to win(even though offense sucked), but got cheated.
    Carson is 9-3 against you, deal with it. We continually shot ourselves in the foot on 3rd down with penalties, and our offense atleast put together drives that went deep enough for 5 field goals. You’re lucky Brat didn’t open up the offense/Carson sucked balls or it would have been a blowout (4 PICKS from UNIBROW)

  98. WhoDeySood5 says: Sep 21, 2010 4:25 PM

    1 pass play over 17 yards adn it was the touchdown that J-Jo gave up….we dominated them with our D, this game wasn’t as close as the final score, and minus all our offensive penalties wouldve came out even more lopsided….take your lumps like men Baltimore…loved how Ray says don’t cry on the field when he was repeatedly crying and even stomping his wittle footsies at the refs….See you week 17 nerds

  99. Mac-01 says: Sep 22, 2010 3:16 AM

    No question Flacco blew that game, but that call on Suggs was ridiculous. Ray Ray is gonna destroy the little Brownies Sunday.

  100. Choirdrunk says: Sep 23, 2010 12:16 AM

    Bengals fans. You got four picks and two crucial BS penalties and couldn’t score a TD at home. Bravo gentlemen.
    I’m going to share something with you that I think you already know, deep down, in a place you like to drink to forget: there is no way you win a Superbowl with Carson Palmer.
    Since he got his ACL torn, he’s been bad and getting worse every year. Too bad, I thought he was gonna be one of the greats when he first entered the league.

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