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Report: Chargers want second-round, third-round pick for Jackson

With fewer than nine hours to go before the window of opportunity for trading Vincent Jackson and having him miss only four games with his new team closes, Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Chargers and the Vikings are at an impasse.

The Chargers reportedly want a second-round pick and a third-round pick for Jackson.  The Vikings have offered a second-round pick plus a conditional pick based on whether they can parlay a one-year deal with the player into a long-term deal.

Per Cole, the Chargers base their demands on the fact that the Broncos got two second-round picks for receiver Brandon Marshall.  But, as Cole points out, the Dolphins also signed Marshall to a multi-year deal at the time the trade went down.

The Vikings reportedly have a one-year, $6 million deal in place with Jackson.  There’s reportedly another team in the mix, which is willing to sign Jackson to a long-term deal.

Cole also explains that Jackson has a potential weapon to employ against the Chargers’ apparent fallback plan of squatting on Jackson’s rights all year, letting him leave as an unrestricted free agent, and collecting a third-round compensatory draft pick in 2012.  If Jackson’s free-agent deal in 2011 is structured with low first-year compensation, the Chargers would face the reality of collecting a lower compensatory pick.

On the surface, that’s the ultimate hollow threat.  But maybe Jackson will be sufficiently miffed at the Chargers for squatting on his rights to take meaningful action once he finally has escaped their clutches.
 
Meanwhile, some may think that the best strategy for the Vikings would be to sign Jackson to a long-term deal and fork over the picks the Chargers want.  With plenty of players in the final year of their own contracts, however, that could create a line of guys who suddenly are more interested in when they’ll get theirs than whether they’ll do whatever they have to do to turn around a season that quickly is on the brink of disaster.

Though we’re inclined to think that the two sides are close enough to work something out by 4:00 p.m. ET, Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith could very well decide to dig in his heels.

After all, it becomes much harder for the Chargers to look foolish for failing to re-sign Jackson if Jackson isn’t catching a bunch of passes from Brett Favre and helping the Vikings get back to the playoffs.  Before Smith would put himself in that position, he’d have to get what he wants in return for Jackson’s services.

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94 Responses to “Report: Chargers want second-round, third-round pick for Jackson”
  1. Chapnasty. says: Sep 22, 2010 7:37 AM

    Stay tough Chargers!

  2. argos says: Sep 22, 2010 7:54 AM

    Minnesota is too desperate in this situation, if they use up two picks and don’t reach the SB, it will look like a bad move.
    If the don’t try to get him and don’t reach the NFCC, the fans will call for the front offices’ heads.

  3. breadman says: Sep 22, 2010 7:54 AM

    As much as I want the Vikes to win, this is a stupid thing for them to do. Rice will need a new contract next year, and if they sign Jackson (who has character issues) he will have no one to throw to him next year. Best to just watch the vikes fizzle and enjoy the Twins through October!!
    And hopefully a new Viking coach next year!!!!

  4. NzYme says: Sep 22, 2010 8:01 AM

    They’re nuts!

  5. oraclepz says: Sep 22, 2010 8:10 AM

    That seem like fair compensation… chargers aren’t being unreasonable

  6. DynastyDays says: Sep 22, 2010 8:12 AM

    You have to make drastic moves sometimes Ziggy and CHilly……then again, so does Jerry. Minny may need that 2nd and 3rd to get players to go with their QB of the future, which they better take with their 1st pick. If they want to win this year, they better fork over those picks and sign VJax immediately. Go Cowboys…..turn this ship around guys!!!
    PS: We’ll give the Chargers Jason Garrett, Wade Phillips, Bradie James, Alex Barron, David Beuhler, Roy Williams, Marion Barber, a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick…..for Marcus McNeil and Vincent Jackson!!!!!!

  7. AllThat says: Sep 22, 2010 8:13 AM

    who is the other team butt head….

  8. CK77 says: Sep 22, 2010 8:14 AM

    I’ve never in my life seen a team just tell two of its best players to basically go eff themselves like this. AJ Smith is a CLOWN. The best thing the Chargers could ever do for themselves is to get rid of that egomaniac.

  9. Hauschild says: Sep 22, 2010 8:16 AM

    No way is VJ worth a 2nd & 3rd straight-up. It appears the Vikings’ offer of a 2nd & conditional pick is more than fair, as is their 6 million to Jackson for essentially playing around 8 productive games, not including playoffs. Then, let him walk.
    You get to a point where the cost is simply not worth the benefit. Look at all these teams that fork over big bucks to players not in playing shape only to find their huge investments immediately miss time with injuries due to poor conditiong. Ahem – Revis come to mind anyone???
    If only all players were more like Brett Favre in all regards.

  10. misterdizz says: Sep 22, 2010 8:17 AM

    Smith is being his usual spiteful, arrogant self. The Vikings, on the other hand, put themselves in this unenviable position by mismanaging their team.
    With the season already looking bleak, and a fan base which must be getting very tired of missed opportunities and playoff failures, the Vikings are compelled to make this deal and will probably have to cough up the picks. The alternative I would have preferred to see would have been if the Chargers would accept a 2nd Round pick in 2011 and a 4th Round pick in 2012, no strings attached. That seems a reasonable price and a good compromise.
    The Vikings may be hoping to unload Bernard Berrian and his inflated salary (he was a dubious signing at the time and has looked mediocre since) but I gather San Diego wants no part of him, and the Vikes are probably stuck with him – unless the recent signing of Baskett was a prelude to moving Berrian somewhere (SD or other team).
    Whatever. At the end of the day, Minnesota had better make the trade or else I think their season may wind up worse than the disaster I feared it was likely to become. What a shame. All that talent and a clueless Head Coach, a poorly conceived gameplan and underachievers at many positions. What do you think the team would look like with Bill Cowher at the helm the past three years. I would have to guess they would play with more passion, be better prepared, and we wouldn’t see the poor game management decisions we are sadly used to seeing.

  11. JimmySmith says: Sep 22, 2010 8:19 AM

    Go ahead, trade away your future to prop up the final year of the NFL’s leading INT QB.
    The mystery is how Jackson is even going to get the ball after watching that O-line of the Vikings. McKinnie may swing a mean metal pipe but he is clearly half the player he used to be. Loadbutt is young so he may turn it around but he is not off to a good start.
    The trade smacks of desperation but when you are 0-2, its easy to confuse doing something with doing something smart.

  12. crazyguy says: Sep 22, 2010 8:21 AM

    Is Jackson really worth that much? I am just not sold on him. Good, solid player? Yes. Great? No. I am no Minnesota fan, but I wouldn’t budge unless they are THAT desperate. Those are 2 solid picks for the future for 1 guy. This IS Favre’s last year so why kill your future too? Remember, Jackson can’t play for 3 more weeks IF he is traded today. Who says the Vikings don’t go 0-5 before he plays? Is that worth hurting the future when you know this is Favre’s last year?

  13. SteelCityWhitt says: Sep 22, 2010 8:23 AM

    If Jackson is only worth $3M as the Chargers want to PAY, then why are they trying to get a 2nd and a 3rd in a trade?
    If Jackson’s worth is equal to Marshall’s as the Chargers SAY, then they should have paid him Marshall money this summer and avoided this crap.
    Bottom line talk is cheap and so are the Chargers.

  14. KC_Cisco says: Sep 22, 2010 8:30 AM

    The Chargers Plaxico’d themselves when they lowered the tender for Jackson and McNeil. If you are demanding a new contract because you dont want to get hurt and miss out on a payday, why would you come back to play for a reduced tender? Chargers bluff was called.

  15. Tony in Jax says: Sep 22, 2010 8:33 AM

    “The more we play without him, the less we miss him.” Comment made during the game. And it’s true!! While VJ is a great receiver, in his absence players like Floyd and Nanee have the opportunity they need to do what they do, and it doesn’t seem to have slowed down the Chargers passing attack at all. (It helps when you’re playing against my Jags, but whatever)

  16. Al_Davis_needs_a_dirtnap says: Sep 22, 2010 8:37 AM

    breaking news: Huchinson, Allen and longwell are on there way to SD to preform the magical shaft work they preformed on bret, this time on AJ to lower the picks. stay tuned for more details.

  17. pacstud says: Sep 22, 2010 8:38 AM

    So AJ is an egotistical idiot because:
    He offered two RFAs the highest tender…two of two HUNDRED and twelve.
    Those two RFAs refused to sign their tender.
    Those two RFAs couldn’t get signed during the FA period.
    No one is offering acceptable compensation.
    He is holding out (successfully it seems) until some poor schmuck is desperate enough to pay up for one of these guys.
    Yeah, what a horrible GM.

  18. ninjapleazee says: Sep 22, 2010 8:44 AM

    Crazyguy.. have u seen the Vikings play the last 2 games… they are THAT desperate.

  19. JP says: Sep 22, 2010 8:47 AM

    Jackson is probably worth a 2nd & 3rd…IF he didn’t have the off-field past that he does. However, to give up a 2nd & 3rd for a guy who is one DUI away from (mandatory, one year I believe) suspension? Crazy.

  20. boundiali says: Sep 22, 2010 8:51 AM

    They’d get a compensatory pick ONLY if they have a net loss of UFAs. So unless they count on not signing anyone, this point is moot.

  21. FreddieBaby says: Sep 22, 2010 8:52 AM

    Hey Packer fans. What’s with your fascination with the Vikings all of the time? I figure you have to read about the Vikings because you have such a boring, bland and one-dimensional team to follow. If you need to follow the Vikings for your entertainment, then by all means, hop on board. I think there are some seats at the back of the bus. If not, there is room in the luggage compartment underneath.

  22. NFLFollower says: Sep 22, 2010 8:53 AM

    Yea the Vikings should only make this trade (future for winning now) if they are very confident that they are a contender. As many have noted, by the time Jackson is off suspension, they may have their backs against the wall in terms of having to win almost every one of their remaining games. If the Vikings were 2-0 and not as desperate, this would honestly seem like a better trade in many regards. Vincent Jackson is more likely to solidify a teams situation at the top of the NFL food chain than he is to help them ascend.

  23. raidersteve413 says: Sep 22, 2010 8:54 AM

    brett farve is probley going crazy right now, you know brett is blaming the losses on lack of WRs, Even know WR to throw INTs…
    Hey PFT whos that “other” team in the mix???
    hmmmmmmm..

  24. AJSJR40 says: Sep 22, 2010 8:56 AM

    Low first year compensation? What NFL player in free agency would take low first year compensation so the team he is leaving gets a lesser compensatory pick? What a stupid thought!

  25. Pestilence1972 says: Sep 22, 2010 8:56 AM

    Vikes are just posturing with the Basket signing. They are just trying to keep the VJ price down. They can easily cut Basket once they work out this deal.
    That said, I never really thought Jackson was that good. Is he that good?

  26. skyline says: Sep 22, 2010 8:56 AM

    Crazy guy…V-Jax is suspended for four games if he is traded before 4 pm today. The Vikes have a bye in week 4. They play the Lions this week (a winnable game, even with the team the Vikes have now), and then the bye. Then, in week 5, V-Jax is eligible to play, so the worst they could be at that time is 0-3, and it is very possible they are 1-2 going into week 5. And yes, Jackson is worth it…because, Rice won’t be the player he was last year when/if he comes back. It will take time for him to get back into football shape and get into the rhythm of the game.

  27. PackAttack says: Sep 22, 2010 8:57 AM

    Kind of surprised the Falcons aren’t mentioned as one of the teams pursuing Jackson. They really need someone opposite of Roddy White. Then again, after the Vick fiasco, bringing in a guy with a pair of DUIs is probably not the best PR move.
    The Vikings need more than Jackson to improve their team. Regardless, better play calling (sticking with the run and kicking field goals) and better line play (which they’re totally capable of will go a long way (even though I think they’re finished with the schedule they have coming up).

  28. argos says: Sep 22, 2010 8:59 AM

    SteelCity just hit the nail on the head:
    If VJax is not worth a second and a third, why in hell are they only willing to pay the guy 3 mill.
    I hope the Rick Speilman is asking Smith that question point blank.
    Now the whole world knows that Smith is a cheap bastard.

  29. Freebird2010 says: Sep 22, 2010 9:02 AM

    JP: agree
    A better measure of the compensation than Brandon Marshall, what did Arizona get for Anquan Boldin, who is arguably a more accomplished WR without the suspension history?
    Arizona traded Boldin and a 5th Rd pick for the Ravens 3rd and 4th Rd picks. IMO, Jackson is worth less than that.

  30. cusoman says: Sep 22, 2010 9:03 AM

    I can’t believe any of you are trying to pin any negativity surrounding this story on the Vikings. It’s obvious A.J. Smith is being a hard nosed horse’s arse about this situation instead of letting things go and just getting a deal done.
    For the Vikings, this isn’t desperation, if it were desperation, they would have already given up the 2nd and 3rd round draft picks, which they haven’t. They’re doing this calm and calculated, just like they’ve done with other key trades the team has made in the past several years.
    You guys should apply for a job alongside Florio, you pay just as much attention to a team you claim to hate, and you’re not too bad at spinning things to suit your own personal beliefs.

  31. KC_Cisco says: Sep 22, 2010 9:07 AM

    AJ is an idiot because the Chargers are in the bottom quarter in payroll—but he won’t sign his franchise left tackle to a log term deal. He has said he wants to sign his core players. I can understand not signing VJ long term. He’s a few beers away from a year suspension. But if your Pro Bowl, young, seemingly great citizen, left tackle isn’t part of your core—who is? O and you have Super Bowl dreams and aren’t spending in the first place.

  32. Manbearpig says: Sep 22, 2010 9:07 AM

    I’m in shock. Not because the Vikings probably aren’t gonna get Jackson, but because I agree with JimmySmith.

  33. mb007 says: Sep 22, 2010 9:07 AM

    AJ is an ahole. This is ridiculous and somebody wrote it earlier about Vincents value that the Chargers wanted to pay him 3mil and if he was worth only 3mil than why is this deal not getting done. A 2nd and conditional pick for guy who will leave anyway is fair value. I hate AJ the egomaniac and it is absolutely bull$#%@ that this guy won’t even be playing at all this year it seems. Forget him coming back and playing for the Chargers either he’ll sit out the year instead of risking his future for a team that doesn’t give him any respect. Phillip will struggle later not having him there anyway.
    Go blow AJ

  34. Steelers Defense says: Sep 22, 2010 9:08 AM

    I find it amazing how NFL owners will sell their souls to have a shot at the SUPER BOWL. Owners dance with the devil and obtain CONVICTED SCUMBAGS like: Larry, I beat my wife, Johnson, Donte, I will run you over, Stallworth, Santonio, I’m a TOKER, Holmes, Braylon, I’ll punch you in the mouth or I blow a 0.16 and now Vincent, DUI, Jackson. Are these owners the face of the NFL that Roger Goodell relishes???

  35. chargerrich says: Sep 22, 2010 9:08 AM

    I love AJ’s style… the league would be in much better shape if more GMs were like him.
    Screw you VJax… good riddance

  36. SirSuperSouthern says: Sep 22, 2010 9:10 AM

    Meanwhile, some may think that the best strategy for the Vikings would be to sign Jackson to a long-term deal and fork over the picks the Chargers want.
    —————————————————
    Probably the same idiots who thought this year would play itself out as smoothly as last season did for the Vikings. We fantasy footballers have a saying for this phenomenon: “You’re chasing last week’s points, noob.” That’s what the Vikings have done so far by bringing Favre back, and giving up their 2nd and 3rd round picks would just be throwing more good money after bad.
    They aren’t half as good as Green Bay and probably worse than Chicago too. Giving up so much for VJ would be Millen-esque, period…

  37. Richie's Rebel Rousers says: Sep 22, 2010 9:10 AM

    This is why the Chargers never win the big game. They overvalue themselves, and their management.

  38. joetoronto says: Sep 22, 2010 9:11 AM

    oraclepz says: September 22, 2010 8:10 AM
    That seem like fair compensation… chargers aren’t being unreasonable
    *********************************************************
    You’re assuming the compensation hasn’t changed, oraclepz.

  39. HankScorpio says: Sep 22, 2010 9:12 AM

    Come on, Vikes. You’re already “all in”. Don’t blink now. Give Jackson his long-term deal. Give the Chargers their picks. It’s not like a Viking would ever get a DUI bust so he won’t have any issues with suspension. He’ll be the missing piece that good ole #4 needs.
    This just keeps getting better and better.

  40. BuckeyeBengal says: Sep 22, 2010 9:14 AM

    I’m squatting on his fantasy rights. Someone just please sign him and get him on the field. Anyone, I don’t f-ing care.

  41. Hauschild says: Sep 22, 2010 9:14 AM

    MisterDizz:
    How is Sydney Rice needing an operation and Percy Harvin being injured reflect “mismanagement” by Vikings’ brass? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
    I think you could question a few things about the Minnesota Vikings and be justified in doing so, but their management is pretty checked out.
    Take a look around the league and then take a look at the product this team produces – and also, have enough sense to wait until this season is over before you prematurely exaggerate the demise of the 2010 Vikings. Really, the Vikings are near the top of the league in terms of drafting and selecting productive Free Agents.
    I can’t wait to watch the haters crawl back under their bridges as this season progresses.

  42. Dwayne says: Sep 22, 2010 9:19 AM

    A second AND a third round pick is too much for a player who has been to the Pro Bowl only once and never to a Super Bowl. I think the Chargers should accept the Vikings offer….or accept anything the Redskins offer.
    HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

  43. kev86 says: Sep 22, 2010 9:20 AM

    Price seems too high to me.
    V-Jax comes with risk and baggage.
    I’d offer a 3rd rounder and let another team have him if that wasnt enough.

  44. FavreBlows says: Sep 22, 2010 9:20 AM

    Where is Gravy? Where is Pervy Harvin? Where is Majik Butt?
    Where are all the big, big talkers now that the Vikings are 0-2.

  45. Twiz says: Sep 22, 2010 9:21 AM

    The way I see it, we play with what we have, let the chips fall where they may……..

  46. BoltsFan says: Sep 22, 2010 9:24 AM

    Hey, all of you geniuses who are claiming that A.J. Smith and the Chargers are just being spiteful and are arseholes are NOT GMs in this league (or probably anywhere else) for a very good reason. If you had any semblance of intellect, you’d recognize that Smith is making sure the keys to the asylum are NOT going to be turned over to the inmates, as you clearly advocate. If GMs cave to player demands every time they are made, see (Favre, Revis, etc.) it merely emboldens others to think they can whine loud and long enough and extort ridiculous amounts of money also. If that spreads, you won’t only not have the players you want, you won’t have a team very long. In fact, you won’t have a league because NONE of the owners are in this to satisfy their philanthropic panderings. GET A CLUE, you idiots.

  47. mattgso says: Sep 22, 2010 9:24 AM

    vikings are painting themselves into one heck of a corner. This will be interesting to watch unfold.

  48. cronn100 says: Sep 22, 2010 9:30 AM

    “brink of disaster” After 2 games? lol

  49. Coach Stram says: Sep 22, 2010 9:43 AM

    A 2 AND a 3????!!!!!!!
    Thats insane.
    Dont give SD more than a 2nd. Period. Jax is one miscue away from a substancial suspension – WAY to much risk here – now that I type this, I’m startin to think a #2 is too much!

  50. TwinCitiesTT says: Sep 22, 2010 9:44 AM

    Just got done reading about the Twins winning the division. Did the football season start yet?

  51. SteelCityWhitt says: Sep 22, 2010 9:45 AM

    @ pacstud – AJ is an idiot because he failed to lockdown 2 pro bowl quality players for the long term. Then having failed to signed them, he played hard ball reducing the original low ball offer to dirt cheap status destroying any possible good will between the players and the team. Then he made the crazy move of putting VJax and the team in the position that if a deal could be done internally, VJax would be unavailable for 3 more games. Now instead of cutting his losses he is holding out for a value in trade that he refused to pay initially.
    What he should have done was created a contract with pay outs for a top 7 receiver that offered contingencies for a season ending DUI offense. Refuse to do signing bonus dollars because of the DUIs but have the bonus money in salary and performance incentives.
    That would have been the smart thing to do.

  52. Coach Stram says: Sep 22, 2010 9:45 AM

    Vikes should trade for D. Bowe.

  53. Supersuckers says: Sep 22, 2010 9:46 AM

    You just have to actually consider that the all in idiot front office in Minnesota will cave out of desperation. Steady Teddy would NEVER do something this dumb.

  54. CHIEF ZEE says: Sep 22, 2010 9:50 AM

    Redskins should give up Albert Haynesworth plus a 2nd rounder for Vincent Jackson.

  55. green man says: Sep 22, 2010 9:50 AM

    Ummm, the ‘queens need a QB not a receiver. Look at the Bears receivers, worse than the ‘queens but they’re productive w/ a decent QB now.

  56. SJ Apollo says: Sep 22, 2010 9:53 AM

    “Hey Packer fans. What’s with your fascination with the Vikings all of the time?”
    It’s schadenfreude. Do you remember in January 08 when Vikings fans were pissing all over themselves in delight following Brett Favre’s OT interception against the Giants? Do you remember Viking fans mocking Packer fans when Brett Favre destroyed his Packers legacy by going to the Vikings? Do you remember Viking fans taunting Packer fans throughout the 09 season? Well it’s our turn now. The crushing, back-breaking mistake to cost your team a Super Bowl appearance, didn’t we say that would happen? The distracting drama of a Brett Favre offseason – again, didn’t we tell you about this? How about the schism? The Vikings went all in on this season. Peterson and Rice want new contracts – they’re told to sit tight. Favre gets a raise he didn’t ask for. Peterson is scolded for missing mini-camp, Favre shows up when he wants to. Now, if they start out 2-5, how happy will Peterson be with his lower contract? How happy will guys be that the team’s stars for the next few years can’t get paid, but the Vikings are willing to send away draft picks and give a new contract to a guy who can’t play for several more weeks? How happy will guys be when the Vikings don’t win the Super Bowl and they head into next year without a quarterback? How happy will fans be when the Vikings go sub-.500 and then the team asks for taxpayer money for a new stadium? What if there’s a lockout? Do you think fans will pay for a new stadium for owners and players they view as greedy? Packer fans don’t just see an opportunity to take pleasure in the Vikings’ misfortunes, we see an opportunity to watch an entire franchise implode. If that means the Vikings are playing in Los Angeles, San Antonio, Mexico City, or Columbus in 2012, then we win the rivalry. Minnesota lost the Lakers. They’ve lost the North Stars. The Twins were nearly de-franchised and shut down. Don’t think it can’t happen again.

  57. KC_Cisco says: Sep 22, 2010 9:55 AM

    How is paying a guy what he’s worth being idiotic? Before you attack someone else’s intellect you should check your own. I don’t think VJ is worth 8mil a year–but I think he’s worth way more than the 600k that his tender pays him. Your genius GM gave him no choice but not to play once he cut his tender. You really ought to think about what you say–because you know what–no one is in it for their philanthropic panderings. If the owners aren’t–why should the players be? I’m not buying an AJ Smith jersey–I’m buying a Rivers jersey.

  58. chargerrich says: Sep 22, 2010 9:59 AM

    To raiderrob21:
    What is blowing up in the Chargers face?
    Did you watch the Charger passing game last week?
    Did you see Malcolm Floyd get separation for a long TD?
    What does VJ bring that we do not already have other than contempt and bad chemistry?
    The bolts will do two things for sure in 2010; they will get rid of the cancer that is VJ with compensation and we will sweep the Faders yet again.
    Funny seeing a Fader fan talking about someone else’s house… pot meet kettle.

  59. michaelc1112 says: Sep 22, 2010 10:03 AM

    Come On Redskins, make a move for him

  60. scrapdawg12 says: Sep 22, 2010 10:09 AM

    Let him rot at home. He is under contract. He should honor that contract to it’s fullest

  61. OntBoltFan says: Sep 22, 2010 10:11 AM

    It is Jackson’s fault he couldn’t stay sober enough to figure into their long term plans like Gates.
    Maybe if he just signed his tender and kept his nose clean he would eventually get his long term deal.
    They aren’t missing him and he would have been gone this year anyway so if no trade happens and they get a comp pick only that is fine.

  62. Brohamma says: Sep 22, 2010 10:16 AM

    raidersteve413 says:
    September 22, 2010 8:54 AM
    brett farve is probley going crazy right now, you know brett is blaming the losses on lack of WRs, Even know WR to throw INTs…
    Hey PFT whos that “other” team in the mix???
    hmmmmmmm..
    ————————————————
    My money is on the “other” team being the… Washington Redskins. Who else do they have besides an aging Santana Moss and a star TE in Cooley?
    Someone above said Haynesworth and a second.. I think that is a fair deal but the problem is Haynesworth’s contract. No one is going to pick that up unless there is some serious restructuring. AND DON’T STEAL MY INFO AND WRITE IT OFF AS YOUR OWN MIKE! you too gregg (i wrote that part in small.. just like greggy).

  63. rmac says: Sep 22, 2010 10:16 AM

    So really they are only asking for a second round pick. They will receive a third round pick if they hold him out, then let him walk. Right?

  64. zappa says: Sep 22, 2010 10:17 AM

    SJ Apollo, I agreed with you until you mentioned the Twins. They seem to be the lone bright spot in Minnesota. Still early in the season for the Vikes but I think they will make more bad decisions before the years out. If they miss the playoffs Childress should be fired.

  65. GB3Pack4 says: Sep 22, 2010 10:18 AM

    The Vikings’ offer is fair and rational. The Chargers need to go spend some time in a padded room.

  66. Gregjennings85 says: Sep 22, 2010 10:21 AM

    The Vikings are a mess, and they are killing their own franchise. I feel bad for the citizens of Minnesota. I mean, I hate all Vikings fans, but I feel bad for Minnesotans. They should not have to lose their NFL team. Mismanagement, inlcuding the acquisition of #4, leveraging all draft picks for over-priced free agents is not the way to win in the NFL.
    Also, from his days as the offensive coordinator of the Wisconsin Badgers, Brad Childress has always sucked. That was one poach-job by the Vikings that I am elated with (Childress was set to interview with Green Bay, when Minnesota rushed in, and offered him a contract to coach there instead).

  67. overkil2 says: Sep 22, 2010 10:21 AM

    “skyline says:
    September 22, 2010 8:56 AM
    Crazy guy…V-Jax is suspended for four games if he is traded before 4 pm today. The Vikes have a bye in week 4. They play the Lions this week (a winnable game, even with the team the Vikes have now), and then the bye. Then, in week 5, V-Jax is eligible to play, so the worst they could be at that time is 0-3, and it is very possible they are 1-2 going into week 5. And yes, Jackson is worth it…because, Rice won’t be the player he was last year when/if he comes back. It will take time for him to get back into football shape and get into the rhythm of the game.

    Your math is wrong. If he gets traded to the Vikes he will have missed 2 games with the Chargers, and then this week’s game with the Vikes. Next week is a bye week. That doesn’t count because they don’t play a game. He will be able to play come week 6.

  68. irishgary says: Sep 22, 2010 10:25 AM

    @FreddieBaby
    There are also seats available at your stadium.

  69. CanadianVikingFan says: Sep 22, 2010 10:29 AM

    Nuts!
    Anyone who knows US WWII history will know this.

  70. Empire Jones says: Sep 22, 2010 10:33 AM

    Ok, let’s clarify a few things for the masses commeng that have ZERO clue:
    Chargers are making sense here. Why sign MM when Dombro is playing great in the same position, is a better run blocker, and doesn’t have a screwed-up neck? The only upside is getting rid of Clary, and is the RT upgrading worth the deal required to get MM on the field at LT and moving Dombro over?
    And why accept peanuts for VJ if he s a true #1 WR and worth the huge dollars he thinks he’s entitled to?
    VJ wants a deal like Marshall- 5-yr, $50m-ish deal with a eight-figure guarantee.
    Why? Because [a] he thinks he’s that good, and [b] he knows himself he better get his money now because with one more offense he’s potentially gone for a year or maybe even gone for good.
    So why should San Diego take that much less in compensation than Denver got for Marshall?
    The question isn’t “if the Chargers want so much for VJ why didn’t they offer him more than $3m”. This is such a DUMB statement and it proves you are wasting your time commenting on something you have no real idea about.
    The REASON the Chargers didn’t offer him a big deal was because of his last incident, on the way to the Jet’s playoff game. This was the last straw.
    This spring, the Chargers tendered him at the highest amount, a 1st and 3rd, and hoped to get a sucker. Nobody did. No takers.
    So as the tender was taken off the table, because VJ was concerned about “getting injured” and demanding a huge guaranteed deal in and against receiving $3m+ in compensation.
    That’s right… the genius that is Vincent Jackson and his agents decide that it’s a bad move to have VJ play in 16 games for $3m and then get his freedom where he could go anywhere and cut his own deal AND INSTEAD “maybe” report and play weeks 10-16, accrue the season credits and then be on his own… while making about $200,000.
    So he’s essentially saying he won’t risk 10 games versus $3m and his freedom.
    Show me the brain power in that.
    And when it’s all said and done, if VJ sits out the whole season, the CBA for 2011 DOES allow VJ to walk, the Chargers would get a 3rd rounder minimum anyhow… so why not get what you want- a 2nd and 3rd for him?
    If you’re Minnesota, then giving him a deal is no problem, right. You’ve already given the magical Favre $20m so why not give VJ a deal with $10m guaranteed? Cheap bastards.
    There are a ton of threads here to post on- please stop with these idiotic comments about situations in which you aren’t well enough versed.

  71. The Hogster says: Sep 22, 2010 10:39 AM

    Why shouldn’t players be in it for the money? They’re professionals.
    If they wanted to play for “the love” and for free, they’d join a recreation league and work the same thankless, low-paying job that most of you people have.

  72. mattgso says: Sep 22, 2010 10:40 AM

    FreddieBaby says:
    September 22, 2010 8:52 AM
    Hey Packer fans. What’s with your fascination with the Vikings all of the time? I figure you have to read about the Vikings because you have such a boring, bland and one-dimensional team to follow.
    ———————————————-
    Read a topic initially about Green Bay.
    It’s the same with viking fans.

  73. SJ Apollo says: Sep 22, 2010 10:58 AM

    Zappa, there were discussions of the Twins being disbanded. I’m not anti-Twin (although they did fleece the Brewers on Carlos Gomez). I think they are a shining example on how to run a small-market team in baseball. The Vikings on the other hand, are trying to run their franchise in the same way Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones run their team. Rather than build through the draft and lock up their own players before free agency inflates their prices, the Vikings are trading away draft picks and overpaying free agents. Now, the Cowboys and Redskins can afford to do this stuff because they don’t have trouble filling their stadiums and their stadiums generate revenue for the teams. The Vikings have to defer payment of Favre’s contracts towards years in which he’ll be retired. Guys like Peterson deserve to be paid more, but they are willing to spend money on a wide receiver with a troubled history, who can’t join the team until week 6, and will take several more weeks to become acclimated to the system.
    Did you ever see the episode of the Simpsons where Homer walks into a tar pit and his solution for getting his feet out of the tar is to reach his hands down there and pull out his feet which puts his arms stuck in the tar, and then his solution for getting his arms out of the tar pit is to pull them out with his face? That’s the Vikings. They’ve created a mess for themselves and their solution is to make more of a mess.

  74. Charles Wood says: Sep 22, 2010 11:06 AM

    Lost in all of this clamor is the fact that V-Jax is one DUI away from a year long suspension. Ever think maybe SD knows something the Vikings don’t? I respect A.J. Smith for not giving in to either the player or the teams that wish to trade for the player. Players should honor their contracts and not engage in activities detrimental to the team OR the general public. This guy is a cancer with no will power… a weak minded, poor decision maker just like Jerod Allen. The bottom has fallen out from a Favre led team of destiny, but the team has still not hit rock bottom. Shelling out 2 high picks plus all of that money to try and save a season that is already all but lost is an act of despiration by a head coach with nothing to lose. Chilly will be gone after this season.
    I feel this way with my own team as well- the Green Bay Packers. Johnny Jolly deserved his suspension. If he can change his ways (like Koren Robinson, even Lord Favre once did)- I am all in favor of second chances. But this Vincent Jackson thing seems to wreak of the same stench that the Javon Walker holdout did back in ’05. What has Jackson had- one Pro Bowl season?? Did he seriously, without a doubt outplay his contract?? Or did Philip Rivers provide for a good chunk of that success? I don’t think Jackson is worth what he is asking for- let alone the character issues he also brings to the table. Anyone agree??

  75. LightningLucci says: Sep 22, 2010 11:09 AM

    I’d like to take one more argument off the table:
    VJ getting injured.
    He, like other players, make this false claim that they won’t play on a one year deal because getting hurt would jeopardize their free agent payday.
    I researched this before…google if you want…but a player can buy an injury-protection insurance policy at a rate of 10,000 per 1 million. Thus, if VJ thinks he’s gonna get 30 million guarranteed, he can pay 300k this year to be safe…or any amount less than that. So, if he blows out a knee and doesn’t get signed next year, he still gets his 30 mill.
    Players entering the draft do this all the time, to guard against injury while prepping for the draft. The article I got the insurance quote from was talking about this issue in relation to Tebow. Even veterans will do this to protect against non-football injuries, like falling down some stairs.
    So, what is the player really worried about? Having a suck-*ass year and not getting the big deal the following year. Fair enough, but if you really think your with what you say your worth, than that shouldn’t happen, right?

  76. Supersuckers says: Sep 22, 2010 11:17 AM

    FavreBlows says:
    September 22, 2010 9:20 AM
    Where is Gravy? Where is Pervy Harvin? Where is Majik Butt?
    Where are all the big, big talkers now that the Vikings are 0-2.
    ————–
    majik is on another thread. he is the only one to show up. The rest are nowhere to be found.

  77. tdrmoss84 says: Sep 22, 2010 11:20 AM

    Vike fan here…Chilly and Ziggy are d-u-m-b. So therefore, what reality is and they should do are two totally different outcomes. What they should do, give SD the 2 picks and sign Vjax. Then give the keys to the car to no 7 and see what he can do, its working in Philly right? Then Farve walks away after we loose to Det. So that gives us speed all over the field when 18 and 12 are healthy. Reality: Ziggy will shell out all the $ to a 41 yr old quarterback but not to a stud wr, so going the cheaper route we sign Hammerin Hank from Philly? Because he’s one of Chilly’s boys who already understands the west coast offense better…ha ha…and hell of alot cheaper too I must add. Nice reality show chump! Can’t wait to they sell the team and move to LA!!!!!

  78. chitown26 says: Sep 22, 2010 11:23 AM

    The chargers want way too much for this under achieving head case and he wants way too much in contract money. Period.
    Vj: you are not Brandon Marshall. Seriously.

  79. habibfromnewdehli says: Sep 22, 2010 11:23 AM

    Redskins, Titans, Jaguars, Steelers, and now the Jets could cut ties with Braylon and be interested in Jackson…
    There’s plenty of teams who could use him, a few less who actually would be willing to trade for him, but nobody is going to give the Chargers TWO high draft picks when he’s going to be free after the season.
    They’d rather get into a bidding war in free agency, and keep their picks.
    Good luck even getting a 3rd round pick like Arizona did for Boldin.

  80. zappa says: Sep 22, 2010 11:24 AM

    Empire Jones is really VJ. You can tell by the “I’m a star and your not” atitude. Nice to see VJ, I mean Empire Jones is spending his time drinking and rubbing himself. It’s hard to believe someone as stupid as VJ, I mean Empire Jones has time to post his simple thoughts on this website while taking orders at a drive through. Empire Jones, please don’t have kids, this world doesn’t need another one of you, then again it’s never going to happen while your ass banging your smarter retarded sister.

  81. zappa says: Sep 22, 2010 11:29 AM

    Empire Jones, Good News! I just finished long dicking your Mom so hard she puked up your homework. I guess you were telling the truth when you told your algebra teacher your dog ate your homework.

  82. breeze99 says: Sep 22, 2010 11:32 AM

    KC CISCO…Please ,please stop posting about things you know absolutly nothing about..San Diego has been in the TOP quarter of the NFL’s highest payrolls…AJ knows what he is doing..If the franchise tag option remains in the new CBA(which it probably will) San Diego can control VJ for years to come..If not, AJ will take a King’s ransom..

  83. RC IV says: Sep 22, 2010 11:46 AM

    Supersuckers says:
    September 22, 2010 9:46 AM
    You just have to actually consider that the all in idiot front office in Minnesota will cave out of desperation. Steady Teddy would NEVER do something.
    =============================
    You’d think you’d spit TT’s cock out of your mouth once in the last 5 years to come up for air wouldn’t you?
    Jesus, the season is 2 games old!!!
    The team is doing what it can to improve and you idiots piss all over it? Why?
    Because you know this makes the team better and you jagoffs don’t want that. So transparent.
    =================================
    Supersuckers says:
    September 22, 2010 11:17 AM
    FavreBlows says:
    September 22, 2010 9:20 AM
    Where is Gravy? Where is Pervy Harvin? Where is Majik Butt?
    Where are all the big, big talkers now that the Vikings are 0-2.
    ————–
    majik is on another thread. he is the only one to show up. The rest are nowhere to be found.
    =================================
    Dickhead:
    Try looking at a few other threads before you shoot your dumbass mouth off.
    Not all of us are done with our job by 930am every day.
    I’m here, and I’ve been here since monday.
    2 games into the season is a little early to gloat son.
    You do remember the Pack was 4-4 at one time last year, right?
    Super, you are just as bad as any other fan you make fun of that we mutually know, worse sometimes.

  84. KC_Cisco says: Sep 22, 2010 11:49 AM

    Do more research on insurance. It insures you if you can never play again. It does not insure you if you take a 1 year 3mil contract because of injury when you were hoping for a 5 year 30 mil.
    And to the guy who mentioned Javon Wallker–he’s the exact reason that VJ won’t play for his tender. He got hurt and lost millions. While Favre was, ironically, telling him to get into camp. If there was insurance saying that Al Davis would pay you 20mil guaranteed after you’re hurt–I’m sure VJ would sign.

  85. VAVikefan says: Sep 22, 2010 11:55 AM

    More than anything the Vikes need to keep their picks to rebuild the O-line. Age and mediocrity are becoming unstable factors there.

  86. Really? says: Sep 22, 2010 12:02 PM

    It’s so funny how nobody understands how compensatory picks work.

  87. AWestcave says: Sep 22, 2010 12:21 PM

    A.J. smith reminds me so much of Carl Peterson, I’m starting to think they should write a book together:
    Make your bones off Marty’s draft picks for so long you start thinking it’s been you all along. Then you start wheeling & dealing and trading away players you don’t think you need because you’re “soooo great” at drafting, and pretty soon you’re run out of town after fans decide they’ve had enough of 19 years seeing “expendable” players win Super Bowls with other teams.
    Beware Chargers fans. I’ve seen this story play out too many times.

  88. Lance19 says: Sep 22, 2010 12:47 PM

    Anyone who doesn’t realize that Jackson is as good as anyone in the league is looking at stats, not games. Because of Gates, VJ doesn’t get 100 catches,
    but he makes the toughest ones…the longest ones.
    AJ will make Vikes beg, then either walk away,
    or take advantage of their desperation.
    And Empire Jones’ 10:33 AM post is just too
    rational and thought out to appear here.

  89. Profanity in ALL CAPS says: Sep 22, 2010 12:54 PM

    how valuable are draft picks this year when a lockout looms?

  90. Canned Gravy says: Sep 22, 2010 12:55 PM

    RC IV says:
    September 22, 2010 11:46 AM
    Dickhead:
    Try looking at a few other threads before you shoot your dumbass mouth off.
    Not all of us are done with our job by 930am every day.
    I’m here, and I’ve been here since monday.
    2 games into the season is a little early to gloat son.
    You do remember the Pack was 4-4 at one time last year, right?
    Super, you are just as bad as any other fan you make fun of that we mutually know, worse sometimes.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Cue it up, Denny Green.
    “They were…where we thought they were!!”
    I agree that it’s too early to put a fork in the Vikes. However, a loss this week (unlikely IMO) or a complete pasting by the Jets after the bye week and this loveboat will be as good as sunk. Just my take.

  91. mike3775 says: Sep 22, 2010 1:02 PM

    Good for the Chargers for standing pat on what they want. I am so sick and tired of players holding out when they still have years left on their deals and demanding more money. its about time a team says “enough” and puts the player in his place.

  92. Supersuckers says: Sep 22, 2010 1:05 PM

    “Because you know this makes the team better and you jagoffs don’t want that. So transparent.”
    ——
    A second and a third round pick???? That makes Minnesota way worse in the long run. All to salvage a season that is in the toilet???? CMON MAN………..

  93. skinntd says: Sep 22, 2010 1:16 PM

    Over the years A J and I have differed on his style often. This time hold the line. To Mr. Jackson: get a bigger helmet and it might be good to remember you gave your word(signed a contract)! Play for the Bolts or rot and join J J as the second prize receiver who ruined his career from the big head syndrom!

  94. branchbranch says: Sep 22, 2010 1:34 PM

    Redskins make sense…their tallest receiver played Mickey on Seinfeld.
    Whoever mentioned the Boldin compensation hit it right on. That is a much fairer comparison…although still generous.
    Marshall had back to back 100 yd reception seasons with bad QBs, a four game suspension, and double coverage every game. How is he even remotely compared to V-Jax?
    Boldin and a 5th to the Ravens for a 2nd and 3rd was the other deal and I think that is too much for V-Jax as he is also not Anquan Boldin. Be happy with a 2nd and maybe 5th and move on.
    This move wouldnt get the Vikings to the SuperBowl…they should take their names out.
    Surprised to hear Rams are out…they seem to make sense too. Get some support for Bradford ASAP.

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