Comments on: Andy Reid was worried about Kevin Kolb getting crucified

By: Backlund in 2012

Backlund in 2012 — Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:42:44 +0000

Dapollock says:
September 24, 2010 10:07 AM
In all fairness, Reid thinks McDonalds, KFC and Wendy’s are championship franchises as well.
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I agree with Wendy’s and KFC. McDonalds is more like the Eagles.. or the Browns…
Well, I guess with all their former glory, maybe McDonalds is more like the 49ers or Redskins.

By: Lance19

Lance19 — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:02:32 +0000

My whole life I’ve heard about how
brutal Philly fans can be…
but I was STILL shocked to see that
crucifixion was a likely scenario.

By: BigBear123

BigBear123 — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:28:43 +0000

Andy Reid was worried about Kevin Kolb getting crucified…….
as he grabbed a box of nails and some plywood.

By: Mooch

Mooch — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:24:10 +0000

Would I trade a season of figuring out where we are headed at QB for a 3rd rounder (that we’d likely blow on an over-rated LT from the Big East who gets released in 2013)?
Nope.
I liked what we did with McNabb – get the right QB and make a decade long run. I, and many here, were willing to take this year to find out if Kolb was that guy.
That is what was asked of us, that is what we were prepared to do.
If only the owners and coaches had as much backbone.
Since 2008 I have feared Reid had no plan. Now, I know he has no plan. Or maybe he’s given up. I dunno.

By: delgriffth

delgriffth — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:54:26 +0000

Andy Reid has officially jumped the shark. Vick is starting because the o line cant protect a pocket passer. Even with Vicks mobility, he was sacked 6 times and hit over 20 times against the fockin lions. all this does is delay things a year.

By: geo1113

geo1113 — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:10:46 +0000

@Mooch
Just curious. Would you say the same if it was a 3rd round pick?

By: buddha

buddha — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:00:41 +0000

By the way, wheres VOX???? I bet he still hasnt even left his house since Dallas’ week 1 loss. He’s been pretty quiet on these message boards so far this season.lol. Its kinda funny how all he ever mentions is the 0-3gles,LOL, when HIS team currently looks like they’re about to be 0-3 themselves.

By: buddha

buddha — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:55:06 +0000

BLMF, you dont think it might have to do with the fact that Vick is playing as good as ANY other QB???? In 1.5 games, Vick has totaled 599 yards, 3 TDs and 0 turnovers.

By: TryTheVeal

TryTheVeal — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:42:42 +0000

Reid can say whatever the hell he wants, and believe me he hasn’t said a damn thing worthwhile in over a decade, this is nothing more than saving his WAY overpaid salary, it’s obvious that after a decade of accomplishing nothing,he doesn’t have the same pull within the organization. Mc Choke is gone cause the other 2 stooges didn’t want to give him a new contract, no way he was on board with that, for 3 years Kolb was the heir apparent, being groomed etc. and just like that, he is on the bench, Reid’s time is running out………….Thankfully….

By: trickbunny

trickbunny — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:37:54 +0000

“I don’t think Kolb has lost one thing. He’s a franchise quarterback. He will win games, and championships, for the Eagles,” Reid said.
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Kolb will probably be traded before Oct. 19th.

By: Mooch

Mooch — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:13:05 +0000

OK, here it is…
“In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as “compensatory picks,” are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player’s salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.”
So Vick woud get is what, a 4th? Vick makes $5m. Not worth it. If Kolb sucks, we need to find out. Thats still central to rebuilding.

By: Steve W.

Steve W. — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:07:39 +0000

I can’t tell if some of these posts are funny or just sad. How many times have people gone on about no loyalty or honor amongst teams and players? Reid showed a little loyalty in trading McNabb to a division rival he was more than willing to play for instead of sending him to the Raiders who he didn’t want to play for. People jump all over Reid for stupidly trading him to a division rival. Reid tries to soften the blow for Kolb after giving Vick the start, and again a string of insults aimed at both Reid and Kolb. Please remember this the next time one of you whines about a lack of loyalty or honor on behalf of either a player or an organization.

By: Mooch

Mooch — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:04:03 +0000

Smiler – Vick is a UFA, we’d get nothing.
Or is that not correct – so much has changed with that and the FA rules in general. My understanding was that only RFA’s got you those picks.
And if we did get a pick, wouldn’t it be a 3rd. Is that worth all this?
Hey, if Vick gets us a Lombardi I won’t care! But we do need to rebuild, and a lot of that had to do with Kolb.

By: BIG JB

BIG JB — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:03:30 +0000

CLEG IS A REAL TOOL PHILLY IS A GREAT SPORTS TOWN ! IF YOU COME INTO OUR HOUSE WEARING OPPOSING TEAM COLORS YOU SHOULD GET RIPED ON!

By: smilergrogan

smilergrogan — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:48:29 +0000

mooch: if vick goes elsewhere as a free agent and gets the type contract he will get in that case, the eagles will indeed get a compensatory draft pick for losing him. probably a pretty high one, if the past is any indication.

By: Mooch

Mooch — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:23:31 +0000

Dilbio – you have to trade Vick before this season’s trade deadline to get a pick. He isn’t signed in 2011.
So is that what this was about? Screw with your self-anointed QB of the Future to get a 3rd round pick for Vick? And throw Kolb back in after game 6?
Makes no sense.
Agree with your other points, this is not a Philly defense. It’s finesse.

By: Mooch

Mooch — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:21:13 +0000

Dilbio50 – interesting post.
He looks like a rookie because he is one. And it seems like the plan is “let’s try and win now” with the rationale being “because our OL and probably DEF are so incredibly bad we can’t compete”.
It’s that contradiction that bothers me. We suck at key positions so let’s try and win now with Vick. Does that make any sense?
We dealt McNabb because the team needed to be rebuilt. And now here we are making desperation moves to make the playoffs? With a guy leaving after this year?
In that case, why not keep McNabb? He could have landed this team as a 9-7 wildcard with one hand tied behind his back.
And after the Reid-led coronation of Kolb, I see the benching as having the exact opposite effect. He knows he’s lost the confidence of all involved, and he’s pretty much finished here.
That’s not to say starting Vick is right or wrong. He’s looked great. Just know that you’ve cashed in Kolb for good.
And I keep going back to this – as someone who wanted to rebuild with youth and trade McNabb….if the plan was to continue to roll the dice on a low-percentage Super Bowl run, MCNABB SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT.
Either they had the stomach for rebuilding or they didn’t. Why not just be honest? I feel ownership used Kolb as a smokescreen to get McNabb and his salary demands out of town.

By: Heywood Jablowme

Heywood Jablowme — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:12:37 +0000

Cleg, Cleg, Cleg – I am disappointed in the fact the you left out your “Gold Standard” comment. You can keep trolling for Eagles posts and leaving your negative comments but it has no effect on us. We know we are the most hated fan-base in the country and we are used to it.
Try not to let the national media sway you though toolbox. Do I need to discuss the treatment I received for wearing an Eagles jersey to Washington DC and New Jersey (b/c it’s not New York by the way)? The treatment is the same no matter where you go.

By: Dilbio50

Dilbio50 — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:02:55 +0000

Oh…and…Vick or Kolb will be great trade fodder…weheras they werent before.
Play Vick: get picks. Simple.
That whole team needs a do-over. The Fatman went for speed without size in the draft for the last 3 years…and he’s paying the price.
Yes, speed kills, but HGH rules…and these dudes are only getting bigger AND quicker…especially in the NFC East.
Here’s how you beat the Birds…beat’em up.
Gone are the days of Dawk, Trotter, Corey Simon, Hollis Thomas, Runyan, Tre Thomas, Ike Reese….they beat you with size and then beat you up.
Now you have undersized guys who cant tackle or block.

By: dabbflappy

dabbflappy — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:02:01 +0000

You omit an important part of the equation.
Kolb would have been judged by the public and the media *in the light of Vick’s outstanding performances*.
If Kolb fell short of Vick’s numbers, and he almost certainly would have, then the outcry in favor of a QB switch would have been enormous. Kolb’s confidence would have been hammered.
Reid’s decision didn’t take place in a vacuum. It took place as a result of Vick’s amazing performances.
Remember that.

By: Dilbio50

Dilbio50 — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:28:27 +0000

Here’s the real story….Clay Matthews busted the kid in the mouth…twice. And, since the Kansas City pre-season game the kid is so gun-shy because of the blitz and getting busted in the mouth he cant read defenses and telegraphs his passes accordingly. He has haphazard blitz-picker-uppers in Mccoy and Bell…and no real FB or blocking TE.
Lets face it…he stinks at this point and is no better than a rookie. He has to get his edge back…and for him, it means riding the pine and coming in on spot duty to get his reps, as he hasnt the wheels or the fortitude to take on the lead role at this point. Vick does…hell, he’s been through prison…he knows what it means to literally and figuratively ride the pine. He’ll take on the adversity because he CAN.
Yep, Vick will choke at times, and yup, he will throw picks and fumble, but he’s electric. That Oline and the shoddy play calling and blocking schemes are so bad, you need someone “electric” who can improvise on the fly…thats why they had McChoke…he COULD improvise…but not any more…not like when he was 25-28. He refuses to run and he’s slow. He doesnt want to be labeled as a “black” QB anymore.
Andy doesnt know how to run a WC offense, never did…and thats where we’re at right now. He doesnt have the proper component parts…but he does have Vick. And he knows he can win with that…right NOW. especially since Dallas and the Gints are questionable, and the Redskins, well…they have McChoke.
And yes, the mob is fickle in Philly…and they will crucify Kolb. Just look at McChoke…he still hasnt recovered from fans or the media…shit, he’s still whining about being booed on draft day by a bunch of fuggin drunks….so, there it is, folks.
Thus what Andy means is what he said.

By: The Franchise

The Franchise — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:23:30 +0000

“If you guys want to kill that then youre a bunch of pansies sitting on your hands at home with a remote and kitty on your lap eating oatmeal.”
WTF???

By: Calistin

Calistin — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:43:29 +0000

So, has Vick sent Clay Matthews a thank you card yet or not?
That’s the real story here imo.

By: smilergrogan

smilergrogan — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:33:13 +0000

sorry folks. philly fans may be a lot of things, but one thing is for sure,
they would have never made the vick move last year.
they would have definitely traded mcnabb before last season when minny didn’t know favre was coming back and chilly would have kissed don’s ring (and given up the farm).
the fans would have been ok with the all those draft picks and the kolb- a.j. feely led team would have won about 9 instead of 11.
as it was they never beat anyone good last year.
the fans would have run the ball much more, thus reducing the pressure on the o-line and the quarterback and shortening the game.
the fans would have a tight end that could (and would) block, and a big back for short yardage.
the fans wouldn’t call a timeout to ice a kicker attempting a 60+yard field goal…
as to the weekly poll of the talk shows, any thinking person knows this only polls the idiots who want to call the talk shows.
no one wanted andy to appoint this kid, put vick in on the third play, establish no rhythm and then stick a knife in his back.
so don’t blame the fans for this. andy only makes himself look ridiculous with this nonsense. his entire coaching career speaks to the contrary, and as andy well knows, one is to be judged by what they do, not what they say.
if reid believed kolb would fold under fan pressure, he would not have traded his first round pick to dallas (allowing them to select anthony spencer), then drafted kolb early in the second (way earlier than anyone had him going). i find it telling that reid used the phrase crucified: but the author of the crucifixion isn’t the philly rabble, but rather the fat man in the black toga with the utility belt attached.

By: wydok

wydok — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:30:29 +0000

@RagnarTheBloodAxe:
The first game was Green Bay, not Chicago.

By: Bwa Ha Ha

Bwa Ha Ha — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:25:30 +0000

Crucified isn’t the issue, behind that line DEAD is the issue

By: FarmerMonkey

FarmerMonkey — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:17:27 +0000

Whether it’s true or not, putting that out there as a reason is a great face-saving move for Kolb’s camp.
Guess we’ll find out the truth if Vick plays well and stays healthy all season.

By: mama tried

mama tried — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:57:10 +0000

Andy wants to call a time out now. Actually, he wants to use all 3 right now for the first half of the game vs jax.

By: Mooch

Mooch — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:54:17 +0000

“I have been saying this for 4 years only no Eagles fan wants to believe me. ”
Well, when you repeatedly claimed that Westbrook never topped 1,000 yards rushing, you lost a lot of credibility. Maybe that is why no one listened to you.

By: Mooch

Mooch — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:52:42 +0000

Eaglelover – as opposed to that QB factory in Syracuse? Please.