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Packers blew opportunity to force overtime

More than 12 years ago, former Packers coach Mike Holmgren chose in the final minutes of the Super Bowl to allow the Broncos to score a touchdown, with the goal of giving quarterback Brett Favre enough time to drive down the field and force overtime with a game-tying touchdown.  It didn’t work.

Last night, current Packers coach Mike McCarthy chose in the final minutes of the game not to allow the Bears to score a touchdown, instead permitting them to chew up the remaining time on the clock and kick a decisive field goal with only enough time left on the clock to permit a Keystone Cops re-enactment of the Stanford band play.

After the game, McCarthy defended his decision with some bizarre logic.

“I did not consider letting them score at the end,” McCarthy said, per ESPNChicago.com. “I felt they [would miss] a field goal in the end.”

Um, Mike?  It was a 19-yard field goal, the same distance as an extra point.  Setting aside the countless number of extra points that successfully were converted last year (Robbie Gould of the Bears was 33 for 33), not a single field foal of shorter than 20 yards was missed by anyone in the league.

Most coaches have a chart that spells out when and where a two-point conversion should be attempted after a touchdown.  So why not predetermine the circumstances when a team will be allowed to score a touchdown and in turn prevented from milking the clock down to the point where there’s not enough time to try to match a 19-yard field goal?

Then again, maybe advance thought isn’t needed.  Maybe every coach should realize that the chances of missing a 19-yard field goal are far slimmer than the chances of driving down the field (especially with a potent passing offense) and scoring a touchdown that would have forced overtime.

If, of course, the Packers also had been able to convert the 19-yard field goal known as an extra point.

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  1. therewasone says: Sep 28, 2010 11:20 AM

    Um Florio, see the saints game. it happens.

  2. pfii63 says: Sep 28, 2010 11:25 AM

    Bad call by McCarthy.

  3. Philtration says: Sep 28, 2010 11:26 AM

    Wow.
    The Packers handed the Bears a win only a week after the Cowboys handed them a win.
    And what will the story line be if the Bears beat the Giants in the Meadowlands on Sunday?
    “COUGHLIN ON HOT SEAT AS GIANTS HAND THE BEARS A WIN”
    I guess that the other teams have been handing the Bears a win for 90 years because they have more of them than any one else.
    That’s ok.
    The Bears can have the rest of the league “Hand them the NFC North division” while you wring your hands over the little trailer park that could Packers not being what you had hoped for.
    Cute NFL stories are for little girls and Packer fans.

  4. tv says: Sep 28, 2010 11:26 AM

    Anything can happen in a game. One should never let an opposing team score. Period!

  5. Ralph says: Sep 28, 2010 11:26 AM

    No stupider than kicking to Hester.
    Stupid is as stupid does.

  6. Crazy Nick says: Sep 28, 2010 11:27 AM

    Brilliant!

  7. bmeierho says: Sep 28, 2010 11:28 AM

    as a bears fan, i was at the game last night and was shocked that mccarthy didn’t let the bears score on forte’s 3rd and goal run. rodgers would have had a full minute and a timeout to tie it up.

  8. jj jones says: Sep 28, 2010 11:32 AM

    What would stop the Bears from kneeling at the one yard line like Maurice Jones-Drew did against the Jets last year?

  9. that happened says: Sep 28, 2010 11:33 AM

    We also can’t forget McCarthys choice to challenge the obvious james jones fumble/recovery. Without that challenge, the Packers have the extra timeout they needed.

  10. footballrulz says: Sep 28, 2010 11:33 AM

    No big surprise. McMuffin is not known for his brilliance. Nice way to waste a timeout on a challenge too. Unfortunately, like the Vikes, there’s a lot of talent there but they will be head coached into irrelevancy.
    Que sera sera….

  11. DasRipper says: Sep 28, 2010 11:35 AM

    McCarthy isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

  12. doug r says: Sep 28, 2010 11:35 AM

    McCarthy is the same coach who wasted a crucial time out on a no-win challenge – a timeout which would have left Rodgers with over 40 secs to get the game tying field goal. MM might be a good o-coor but is not a good head coach.
    Pack should pay Cowher whatever to be head coach – relegate MM to O-coor – keep Dom Capers as D-coor and roll with this crew and A-rodgers for the next 10 years. This would be good.

  13. ChicagoJo says: Sep 28, 2010 11:36 AM

    well, yea that’s a stupid quote. but hindsight is 20/20 and I don’t think you can hold it against any coach for keeping the other team out of the end zone. tough call.

  14. Olbermanisadouche says: Sep 28, 2010 11:36 AM

    The Packers are who we thought they were!

  15. Dewey Axewoond says: Sep 28, 2010 11:37 AM

    Honestly, I was worried that was the route MM and the Pack might take.
    Look, considering how old google-eyes and gang were able to march up and down the field so effectively thorughout the game, and given that in the past the Bears have proven they know how to screw up leads in some pretty profoundly r-tarded ways (11 seconds in Atlanta, anyone?), yes, it may have worked.
    But it wasn’t tried, and so it didn’t.
    But it keeps helping the Pack to feel better by playing the what-if game, so be it.

  16. W.G.PennyPacker says: Sep 28, 2010 11:37 AM

    Agreed. At least give Rodgers and your offense an opportunity to march down the field to tie it up. The Bears were going to score from that field position. You screwed your offense out of an opportunity to score back. Being that the Pack committed like 19 or so penalties anyway, they didn’t deserve to win the game, so its really a moot point.
    Next time though, avoid all that backward lateral crap- which pretty much ALWAYS ends up having an illegal forward pass.

  17. betheball says: Sep 28, 2010 11:40 AM

    Based on the way the game was going, the only thing that would have been accomplished by letting the Bears score was for the Packers to add to their record penalty total. Green Bay had ample opportunity to win the game in the first 58 minutes. Perhaps you should focus more on the questionable challenge of James Jones fumble by McCarthy that, if not challenged, would have provided the Packers another time out.

  18. mike mccarthy says: Sep 28, 2010 11:40 AM

    I was screaming at the television “LET THEM SCORE!!!” Quite possibly the worst coaching in the final 2 minutes of a game I have ever seen…or heard of.

  19. green man says: Sep 28, 2010 11:43 AM

    If he didn’t waste a timeout on the horrible challenge that had zero percent chance of being overturned he wouldn’t have had to make this decision. That timeout was the difference between a field goal at 55 seconds vs a field goal at 8 seconds.
    The is magnified even more when you consider the Packers would have only needed 3 points to tie vs your 7 point argument. Mcfatty blew the game well before the most meaningless”goal line stance” in NFL history.

  20. crudup1015 says: Sep 28, 2010 11:44 AM

    Why did McCarthy challenge that fumble on the sideline on Green Bay’s last drive? Wasted a timeout, clearly the defender was inbounds, stupid challenge, if they had that timeout, Rodgers would have been able to have 50 seconds to drive down the field for a game tying score.

  21. DuluthFan says: Sep 28, 2010 11:46 AM

    therewasone…yes it HAS happened, but odds say otherwise. McCarthy made a bad call…you need to join the rest of us in reality and admit it.
    McCarthy is not a very good coach. When the Packers are successful, it is in spite of him, not because of him.

  22. bvan says: Sep 28, 2010 11:47 AM

    Dumbest coach in the league after Chilly!

  23. Saints-America'sTeam says: Sep 28, 2010 11:47 AM

    Yeah, I thought the Bears and the Packers looked very good. As a die-hard Saints fan though, of course I was rooting for the worst team to win.
    I figure we’ll meet either one of these teams in the NFCC (of course we’ll have to eliminate ATL first). But all four of these teams need to improve.
    Yikes, the Pack beat themselves with 19, count ‘em, NINETEEN, penalties. You can’t win games like that with about 125 yards of penalties. I do think they have more talent to work with than the Bears.
    The Falcons? Well they are good, for sure. Mike Smith smiled his way through the game with play calling that put us on our heels. Matt Ryan? He’s the real deal. But I still don’t think that IF **BOTH** teams bring their ‘A’ game (the Saints DID NOT last Sunday). We will beat them.
    But this will be an exciting season of football, don’t you think?

  24. joetoronto says: Sep 28, 2010 11:48 AM

    McCarthy made a bunch of bad calls, calls that left me shaking my head in amazement.
    As a HC, you have to give the players the best chance of winning, he didn’t do that, not at all.

  25. crazyguy says: Sep 28, 2010 11:49 AM

    Bone headed coaching from every aspect of the coaching dept. Players made stupid mistakes. Possession won. Yards won. Turnovers, meh, technically tied because the one INT was a hailmary. Loses the game because of a lack of discipline and stupid mental errors (any one else see James Jones jog out of bounds not thinking he may get tackled???).
    Once again, congrats Bears. You did what you had to do to win. That is all that matters. If, ands and buts don’t get you anywhere. Results do. Time to learn, move on and hope we get a running game sometime soon.
    GO PACK!

  26. Jauron Should Be Next says: Sep 28, 2010 11:50 AM

    What a joke.
    By far, football coaches repeatedly make more poor game day decisions than coaches in other sports. I am talking about simple decisions like when to punt, when to go for it on 4th down, timeout use, etc. Maybe those 19 hour work days cloud their brain a little too much. But hey, I don’t own that “football book” that only the geniuses have access to.
    Witnessed this preseason….Panthers’ first team offense, who were yet to score a TD in preseason, are facing 4th & 1 around their 45 in the 3rd qtr of their 3rd game (the preseason biggie, right??). TV announcers say “John Fox will obviously go for it here” only to see Fox trot out his punt team. In preseason. With his crap offense struggling. Incredible.

  27. DuluthFan says: Sep 28, 2010 11:50 AM

    Philtration..as a Vikes fan, I have to say that Cutler is playing much more in synch with his wideouts than he ever has previously…and he looks pretty darn good.
    Nice win over the Packers…enjoy.
    Now, if “my” team could keep any little bit of momentum going that they had against the lowly Lions, I will be happy.
    But, truth be told, those lowly Lions are not as lowly as they have been in their most recent past. Thery are better than an 0-3 team, IMHO.

  28. vacman says: Sep 28, 2010 11:51 AM

    please change their name from packers to CHEATERS….. 17 accepted penalties.
    they even had more accepted penalties last season.
    when will they figure out they are cheating only works if the refs dont see you do it.

  29. damnvarmint says: Sep 28, 2010 11:51 AM

    Forget about the chance to force overtime, they just blew. Chicagos defense won the game by making the Pack O-line piss themselves into penalties.

  30. Chapnasty. says: Sep 28, 2010 11:51 AM

    The first couple of runs by Forte it almost looked like he gave up on in the play in an effort to run the clock down. Also it appeared as if he may have been able to punch it in on that final play yet gave up in an attempt to again run the clock down. I understand that the Packers are a solid team and the result of this game could be taken as an upset, but why not try to determine if Forte purposely didn’t score? Why not find out if Martz or Lovie or hell even Cutler told Forte to get as close as possible without scoring? It seems as if Florio, and likely the rest of the media wants to make it out to be the Packers who lost the game in the final minute not the Bears winning it. Just another piece of evidence as to how terrible journalism has become.

  31. JSpicoli says: Sep 28, 2010 11:52 AM

    I was saying the same thing at the time.

  32. DuluthFan says: Sep 28, 2010 11:52 AM

    footballrulz says:
    September 28, 2010 11:33 AM
    No big surprise. McMuffin is not known for his brilliance. Nice way to waste a timeout on a challenge too. Unfortunately, like the Vikes, there’s a lot of talent there but they will be head coached into irrelevancy.
    Que sera sera….
    —————————-
    Vikes fan here…and I agree with you, 100%…Childress is…well, dumb

  33. certaincoachditka says: Sep 28, 2010 11:53 AM

    Florio, you forgot about Packers’ secret weapon: LATERALS!!!!

  34. abelGEIN says: Sep 28, 2010 11:55 AM

    Marshawn Lynch

  35. LBPACKFAN says: Sep 28, 2010 11:56 AM

    crazyguy –
    Well said.

  36. dwtk says: Sep 28, 2010 11:59 AM

    Anything could have happened – forced fumble, botched snap, blocked kick. Unlikely, but possible. Crazier things have happened.
    That said, if you allow the quick TD, the likelyhood of scoring a touchdow to tie late in the game is greater than the probability of any combination of the scenarios I mentioned happening.

  37. boone says: Sep 28, 2010 11:59 AM

    Letting them score is one thing, what if Forte is instructed NOT to score and go down at the 1 to keep the clock running? I know it’s up to Smith/Martz to know this.

  38. dladd08 says: Sep 28, 2010 12:00 PM

    I thought that if Chicago would’ve tried to score just as they did GB should have just let them. How can you hope for a kicker to miss an extra point. I think McCarthy is a pretty good coach however he obviously made the wrong choice.
    I’m not a packers fan but Rodgers is pretty damn good, I’d take my chances putting the ball back in his hands again. Now if it where someone like maybe even the media on and off guy “Mark Sanchez” I might have a hard decision to make. lol

  39. CarlGerbschmidt says: Sep 28, 2010 12:01 PM

    Those were laterals. Refs screw us all the way to end plus they stole time. We did not Lose. We were robbed. I want to slap Cutler

  40. Hauschild says: Sep 28, 2010 12:01 PM

    This is vintage Mike McCarthy – out to lunch during big games.

  41. D wins games says: Sep 28, 2010 12:03 PM

    Coaches are incredibly conservative. Look at the firestorm over Belichick going for it last year, a defensible if controversial decision. If he would have let them score, I would have given GB at least a 33% chance of scoring the way they were able to throw the ball. By stopping them, they had less than 1% chance to win. Easy decision. But I was equally surprised the Bears handed the ball off instead of taking a knee. Dubious coaching on both sides.

  42. Scoop says: Sep 28, 2010 12:04 PM

    As Rick Reilly pointed out, the Broncos could have moved Gilbert Brown “with a couple angry girl scouts” at that point in the game, so the idea of ‘letting’ Denver score has sort of become a rationalization for the Packers that softens the ass kicking they were starting to take. Let’s not forget that the Pack had just allowed a nine yard run, which got called back on a dubious hold, which forced the Broncos to run the exact same play for 19 yards. Though it might be a accurate strategic statement, the futility of GB’s situation has been lost in translation over the years.
    The real bright side to that decision is that it allowed the most underrated player in NFL history (Steve Atwater), to dish out the most brutal hit in Super Bowl history, which put the exclamation point on the greatest individual effort by a DB in Super Bowl history. Atwater deserves more than token consideration for the Hall.

  43. DC Steeler Fan says: Sep 28, 2010 12:04 PM

    If I’m the Bears, I just don’t “let” the Packers “Let me score”. Forte didn’t exactly look like he was running all that hard to try and score. Take a knee, the play ends too quickly. Run the ball a couple times and take an extra 10 seconds off the clock, and you leave the Packers throwing 12 laterals on the last play.
    If I’m the Bears coach, I like my chances better kicking a field goal to lead by 3 with 10 seconds left, then a 7 point with the Packers having 50 seconds, a timeout, and 4 downs every series to get to the end zone and tie.
    Maybe the Bears out-smarted all of you, which sounds like a lot of thinking for a Bear…

  44. Dougy says: Sep 28, 2010 12:04 PM

    JJ Jones nailed it.
    Criticize Lovie for not taking the knee for the 99% FG.
    Criticize McCarthy for not allowing the score — especially with Rodgers et al.
    It also looked like some Packers defensive players were trying to stop Bears and some were trying to let the Bears score. Watch the tape.

  45. HowIronic says: Sep 28, 2010 12:05 PM

    If a horse in a field is 20 yards long, I don’t think you can call it a foal anymore, Florio.

  46. BenRapistberger says: Sep 28, 2010 12:06 PM

    Remember when Belichick allowed a safety so that his defense would have better field position instead of punting, so that they could get a stop and then the offense could make a game winning drive?
    That’s situational awareness, and that’s REAL coaching.

  47. JerkStore says: Sep 28, 2010 12:07 PM

    Um, Mike? The quote you cite is inaccurate.
    From the official transcript:

    (Did you consider letting them score on their last drive to give your offense time on the clock to come back?)
    No I did not. I did not consider letting them score at the end. I felt that if they missed the field goal, we’d win the game. It was talked about, but that was not the decision I went with.

    MUCH different then “I felt they [would miss] a field goal in the end”. The larger point still stands, but that inaccurate quote makes him look like a total buffoon, and he needs little help in that department.

  48. Bowman53 says: Sep 28, 2010 12:07 PM

    Lions almost beat Bears (Second Action Gate) + Bears beat Green Bay+ Vikes beat Lions handily=Vikings are Team Supreme in the NFC North.
    As a Vikings fan I wish it were true, we’ll probably be playing for a draft pick by the end of the year, get a young franchise QB and a new coach.
    Good game Bears and Pack, if either had a running game I’d say we couldn’t catch them.

  49. Marv_Sleezy says: Sep 28, 2010 12:10 PM

    Bears are stupid too for not kneeling – Thus they could have fallen into the “let them score trap”
    Happens all the time on Maddens

  50. Wipackman says: Sep 28, 2010 12:11 PM

    In the course of every season every team will lose one they shouldnt and win one the shouldnt…..This was the one GB should not lose , but they will win a game they probably should not later on …..BTW Chicago will not win 9 games and I predict they lose to the NYG

  51. brownsfn19 says: Sep 28, 2010 12:12 PM

    McCarthy should be in the unemployment line today…dumbest decision I’ve seen all year…and that’s saying something seeing as I have to watch Mangina coach every weekend…

  52. Scarlet&Gold says: Sep 28, 2010 12:12 PM

    This comes up time and time again. It seems like such an obvious strategy to employ if you are tied or down 1 point at the end of a game. The same thing came up at the end of the Jets/Phins game didn’t it? Although I think the Dolphins were trying to stop the Jets. But did you see how close the Dolphins were to scoring at the end of the game. Even my crappy Niners drove down the field at the end of the game against the world champs and tied it up.
    Let’s say that the probability of scoring a TD with a minute left and the ball in your hands is 20%. Add to that the probability of also getting the 2-point conversion (40%) and some pretty simple math tells you that down 8 points at the end of the game gives you about an 8% chance of tying it up.
    Compare that to the chance of winning with the other team kicking a chip-shot field goal (99%) and scoring with 4 seconds left and 70 yards to go (0%).
    I seems pretty obvious to me.

  53. Jeaaff Jeaaff Jeaaff says: Sep 28, 2010 12:13 PM

    It wouldnt have mattered if they let the Bears score or not, the league and the refs decided the Bears would win before they even kicked off!! Absolutely ridiculous. This beautiful sport is being ruined, its almost dead to me.
    And I hate both teams, i’m not being a whiny Cheesehead!

  54. MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: Sep 28, 2010 12:13 PM

    I guess McCarthy has not been in the league (or division) long enough to know Gould is NEVER going to miss that kick.
    It was a no brainer that as soon as they got to the nine yard line with 1:30 left on the clock to let them score. The odds of the Pack forcing overtime were much much better than letting the bears run it down to 4 seconds and miss a chip shot field goal.
    Its a good thing Chilly and Lovie are in the NFC North. It makes McCarthys terrible coaching less obvious.

  55. Prufrock says: Sep 28, 2010 12:16 PM

    It’s a tossup to me. The odds of scoring a touchdown with the remaining time, then winning in overtime are not great. There’s always the possibility that the Bears fumble on one of their rushing attempts, botch the snap, or pull a Hartley on the short field goal. I don’t think of it as a no-brainer to let them score.
    If I were the Packers’ coach, however, I would have let them score immediately after the pass interference penalty. Rodgers would have had close to two minutes and a timeout to go the length of the field. Then I would have gone for two to ice the game rather than opting for the coin toss. Then again, if I were the coach, the Packers would have been down 72-3 anyway so my opinion is moot.

  56. Contra says: Sep 28, 2010 12:19 PM

    Headline reads “Packers blew opportunity to force overtime” however it could have just read “Packers blew”

  57. Wipackman says: Sep 28, 2010 12:21 PM

    Mike McCarthy has a couple of weak spots ( Poor decisions on challenges and he does not push Thompson enough to go get a big time Rb ) but I would put him in the top 10 coaches.

  58. lebowski says: Sep 28, 2010 12:24 PM

    McCarthy’s coaching tenure has been marred by a crap offensive line, (and offensive line coach), terrible special teams, and penalties. 5 years later, the Packers are done in by a crap offensive line, terrible special teams play and penalties. That’s progress for ya.

  59. Drat says: Sep 28, 2010 12:25 PM

    I wondered about the Packers’ strategy at the time. They were playing the game as if they were working in the Bears best interest. Their choices conformed exactly to what the Bear’s would do. If you asked the Bears at any point in that drive “what would you like the Packers to do on this play?” — their answer would be examply what the Packers did on that play.

  60. Other Bears says: Sep 28, 2010 12:26 PM

    Jeaaff Jeaaff Jeaaff says:
    September 28, 2010 12:13 PM
    It wouldnt have mattered if they let the Bears score or not, the league and the refs decided the Bears would win before they even kicked off!! Absolutely ridiculous. This beautiful sport is being ruined, its almost dead to me.
    And I hate both teams, i’m not being a whiny Cheesehead!
    ———————–
    Whiny cheesehead — Whiny Bitch. What’s the difference?

  61. Contra says: Sep 28, 2010 12:28 PM

    It unfortunate that the “Darlings” of the NFL were the most undisciplined “BASTARDS” last night. 19 penalties huh? Hows that happen!? OH YEA…being DOMINATED from the very beginning and realizing it was time to cheat in order to survive!
    It was NO SURPRISE that Woodson drew penalties because thats the only way that cheating bastard earns his paychecks.
    If Packers play the rules they lose.

  62. realitypolice says: Sep 28, 2010 12:33 PM

    jj jones says:
    September 28, 2010 11:32 AM
    What would stop the Bears from kneeling at the one yard line like Maurice Jones-Drew did against the Jets last year?
    ====================
    So what? That would have put them in the same position anyway.

  63. realitypolice says: Sep 28, 2010 12:39 PM

    Jeaaff Jeaaff Jeaaff says:
    September 28, 2010 12:13 PM
    It wouldnt have mattered if they let the Bears score or not, the league and the refs decided the Bears would win before they even kicked off!! Absolutely ridiculous. This beautiful sport is being ruined, its almost dead to me.
    ============================
    Every penalty was legitimate.
    I ask this question every time someone says the league fixed a game, and no one ever answers it: What possible reason could the league have for fixing that game? The Packers have one of the stronger national followings.
    Seriously, why would the league take the huge risk of being caught fixing a game in order to “rob” the Packers of an early season victory?
    People who commit conspiracies typically have a reason.

  64. realitypolice says: Sep 28, 2010 12:40 PM

    CarlGerbschmidt says:
    September 28, 2010 12:01 PM
    Those were laterals. Refs screw us all the way to end plus they stole time. We did not Lose. We were robbed. I want to slap Cutler
    =============================
    Nope. You lost. Well, actually, the team you root for did. You had nothing to do with it.

  65. joetoronto says: Sep 28, 2010 12:41 PM

    Another thing, lining up in an empty set on 3rd & 2 isn’t just arrogant, it’s downright dumb too.
    You remove the element of surprise completely with no RB.

  66. Favrelous says: Sep 28, 2010 12:44 PM

    The pack is a good rebuilding team. In 5 – 10 years this team will be ready for a wild card win. Lions are looking at this week as a rest week. Jared Allen can’t wait to get 10 sacks from the packs ol.
    It must have been so much fun to win the preseason championship.

  67. grizzlott says: Sep 28, 2010 12:51 PM

    Jeaaff Jeaaff Jeaaff says:
    September 28, 2010 12:13 PM
    It wouldnt have mattered if they let the Bears score or not, the league and the refs decided the Bears would win before they even kicked off!! Absolutely ridiculous. This beautiful sport is being ruined, its almost dead to me.
    And I hate both teams, i’m not being a whiny Cheesehead!
    _________________________________
    If you make this kind of idiotic comment while not being a fan, I’d hate to see what verbal diarrhea would come out of your mouth if your team lost the way the packers did.
    The pack is a one dimensional team (albeit one very good dimension). Their O-line simply could not handle Peppers, so they false-started and held their way through the game. Their defense is a very good, aggressive defense. The problem with being aggressive is you can be overly aggressive, which is what they were….hence the calls for pass interference and roughing the passer.
    Da Bears won…….plain and simple. It might not have been pretty, but damnit they won.
    Oh yea…….Clay Mathews is a lil’ bitch.

  68. JimmySmith says: Sep 28, 2010 12:52 PM

    The Packers lost the game with the dumb ass challenge and then the three penaltiess after that. McCarthy looked as dumb as Childress at the end of the game and that’s saying a lot.

  69. Philtration says: Sep 28, 2010 12:53 PM

    I like how some people just assume that the Packers could have let the Bears score a TD and then would go all the way down the field and score like they had already racked up 40 points and were unstoppable.
    If it were that easy then why did they not do it for the first 57 min. of the game?

  70. Contra says: Sep 28, 2010 12:53 PM

    Jeaaff Jeaaff Jeaaff says:
    September 28, 2010 12:13 PM
    It wouldnt have mattered if they let the Bears score or not, the league and the refs decided the Bears would win before they even kicked off!! Absolutely ridiculous. This beautiful sport is being ruined, its almost dead to me.
    And I hate both teams, i’m not being a whiny Cheesehead!
    ——-
    you sure as hell sound like a whiny packer fan to me.

  71. BringinTheWood!Son says: Sep 28, 2010 12:53 PM

    That was absolutely terrible…but check his track record McCarthy always screws things up at the end. Please Ted fire Slocum and pick up a G.D. running back this week or soon. Now or freakin never……

  72. sand0 says: Sep 28, 2010 12:54 PM

    On the radio they broke down the percentages. A team with one timeout down 7 with 1:45 remaining has about a 10% chance of tying or taking the lead. But in “forcing” the field goal inside the 10 there is only a 3% chance that the game is tied or Packers have a lead in regulation.
    Also factor in that the Packer offense is well suited to scoring quickly and perhaps you have closer to 11% or 13% chance.
    None of this factors in the chance that the Bears fumble during their running plays.
    Mathmatically it was the wrong play and they should have let them score. On the flip side Forte should have been instructed to purposely fall short on the 1st and 2nd down attempts and then go for the endzone on the 3rd down attempt.

  73. Fan_0f_Football says: Sep 28, 2010 12:55 PM

    People still want to blame Favre for the Packers not winning a SB since 97? He’s gone but the same horribly timed defensive miscues are still there. The same horrible coaching adjustments (or lack there of) are still there. And the same horrible stupid penalties are there.
    Fact is, no matter who is QBing the Packers, they won’t win a SB until those other long standing problems are finally fixed.

  74. jj jones says: Sep 28, 2010 1:02 PM

    “realitypolice says:
    September 28, 2010 12:33 PM
    So what? That would have put them in the same position anyway.”
    That is the point. You can only let a team score if the team wants to score. There is nothing stopping Forte from taking a knee at the one instead of scoring.

  75. pacstud says: Sep 28, 2010 1:07 PM

    Florio is taking “I’m just a gossip whore but really want to be taken seriously as someone who knows football even though I’ve never even played catch in the backyard”
    to a whole new level.
    And so the Schefter/Florio gossip whore/football guy (and not the other way around) duel continues.

  76. kenmasters says: Sep 28, 2010 1:08 PM

    CarlGerbschmidt says:
    “Those were laterals. Refs screw us all the way to end plus they stole time. We did not Lose. We were robbed. I want to slap Cutler”
    LOL. Forward Over the shoulder laterals. QBs throw similar “Laterals” all game

  77. pftsucks says: Sep 28, 2010 1:14 PM

    Uhhh…I suggest you go watch McCarthy’s actual press conference. Here is the question and is actual answer from packers.com:
    (Did you consider letting them score on their last drive to give your offense time on the clock to come back?)
    No I did not. I did not consider letting them score at the end. I felt that if they missed the field goal, we’d win the game. It was talked about, but that was not the decision I went with.
    Sorry…but I do not understand how this gets reported that McCarthy actually said that he felt that Gould would miss the fg. That said the Packers deserved to lose; I just cant stand when this misleading bs gets posted.

  78. PackerRube13 says: Sep 28, 2010 1:17 PM

    grizzlott says:
    September 28, 2010 12:51 PM
    Jeaaff Jeaaff Jeaaff says:
    September 28, 2010 12:13 PM
    It wouldnt have mattered if they let the Bears score or not, the league and the refs decided the Bears would win before they even kicked off!! Absolutely ridiculous. This beautiful sport is being ruined, its almost dead to me.
    And I hate both teams, i’m not being a whiny Cheesehead!
    ____________________ _____________
    If you make this kind of idiotic comment while not being a fan, I’d hate to see what verbal diarrhea would come out of your mouth if your team lost the way the packers did.
    The pack is a one dimensional team (albeit one very good dimension). Their O-line simply could not handle Peppers, so they false-started and held their way through the game. Their defense is a very good, aggressive defense. The problem with being aggressive is you can be overly aggressive, which is what they were….hence the calls for pass interference and roughing the passer.
    Da Bears won…….plain and simple. It might not have been pretty, but damnit they won.
    Oh yea…….Clay Mathews is a lil’ bitch.
    —————————————–
    I agree with everything except that last line. Mathews is awesome!!
    And the fear of peppers will still haunt Clifton this week. If he is tired sunday against Detroit, I am blaming a lack of sleep due to Peppers.
    I love my Packers, but I am realistic enough to realize as a football fan that they didn’t deserve that win last night. And the Bears definitely did. My hypocritical co-fanbase is ridiculous and making fools of themselves. Great game to watch, and yes I was pissed at the end. (Fuming, my wife left me by myself after the game because I was seething) I bleed Green and gold, but I am also realistic. We will get back on track against Detroit. 3-1 baby!

  79. Profanity in ALL CAPS says: Sep 28, 2010 1:17 PM

    you’re really giving the diehards on this site something to gripe about today, florio.

  80. MrHumble says: Sep 28, 2010 1:18 PM

    McMuffin and Klink are not the sharpest pencils in the box for sure. The Vikings need a WR and the Pack needs a RB but neither team seems to recognize the importance of either in advancing their playoff hopes. Soon, defenses will be stacking the box to stop Peterson and as the game showed last nite, da’ Bears weren’t gonna give the Pack anything deep in the passing game and were pretty much daring the Pack to run. I still think the division will come down to Pack and Vikes.

  81. Niceh11 says: Sep 28, 2010 1:19 PM

    It’s not right to just let someone walk into the endzone–not good football. Football is a game of pride, and you fight to defend your endzone whatever the case.
    I’d bet 100$ you’ve never strapped it up Florio, so I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t understand that.

  82. packrulzm says: Sep 28, 2010 1:26 PM

    Favrelous says:
    September 28, 2010 12:44 PM
    The pack is a good rebuilding team. In 5 – 10 years this team will be ready for a wild card win. Lions are looking at this week as a rest week. Jared Allen can’t wait to get 10 sacks from the packs ol.
    It must have been so much fun to win the preseason championship.
    ————————————————————————————
    Wow, your officially the biggest turd on this site. The Pack has one of the best signal callers in the league, a fantastic young linebacker and a host of other solid core players. The Vikings are done. Favre has already quit on you and Jared Allen is overrated. A tough loss last night, but not one without some positives. Give it to the Bears. A REAL rival. I may not like the Bears, but I respect the rivalry. Can’t say the same thing about the Queens and their moronic fan base.

  83. Bob Loblaw says: Sep 28, 2010 1:27 PM

    Wipackman says:
    “In the course of every season every team will lose one they shouldnt and win one the shouldnt…..This was the one GB should not lose, but they will win a game they probably should not later on.”
    *************
    The Packers already did. The season opener at Philly. That may be the only game all year the Eagles play without Mike Vick starting. Had Vick played the whole game, Green Bay would probably have lost.
    This game evens it out. The Packers should be 2-1, unfortunately the Bears should be 1-2 right now.

  84. dscjmc says: Sep 28, 2010 1:33 PM

    McCarthy = TOOL

  85. BigBear123 says: Sep 28, 2010 1:39 PM

    What about Lovies decision to go for it on fourth instead of the chip shot FG?
    Looking forward to a week of Bears bashing, keep coming Mike.

  86. Contra says: Sep 28, 2010 1:42 PM

    PACKERS = FAIL

  87. stetai says: Sep 28, 2010 1:51 PM

    McCarthy is an idiot. He’s either dumb or incredibly arrogant. Considering he banked his decision on the Bears missing a 19 yard field goal we can safely conclude he’s dumb.
    What is it about the NFC North that has bred such dumb head coaches in the 21st century. Mike Tice who doesn’t understand how draft time clocks work, Lovie Smith who keeps Rex Grossman in the SB to guarantee a Colts victory only to cut Rex an ENTIRE year later, and the Detroit coach who rides around naked on a motorcycle, and now McCarthy.

  88. Optims Prime says: Sep 28, 2010 1:54 PM

    Here’s a dose of reality. Mike McCarthy and Lovie Smith are the third and fourth best coaches in this division. Here’s why:
    The Packers commit penalty after penalty to make up for a lack of talent on defense. Their receivers are on the backsides of their careers. There’s no running game of any kind. The offensive line is made up of a bunch of mannequins from local Kohl’s store. And, Packers fans love to brag about their wholesome roster of players but one’s out for dealing purple drank, another went into the stands after a fan and they gave the Bears a victory with unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. Lastly, how does Aaron Rodgers get dehydrated during a game? Don’t the cheeseheads have trainers? This team was totally unprepared for the Soldier Field environment and were completely overrated before the season started. This team did nothing to get better in the offseason and it showed in every quarter of last night’s game.
    As for the Bears, Jay Cutler is still an INT machine, and would have been picked off more last night had it not been for the Packers’ lack of discipline. The Packers terrible O-line stood up to the likes of Briggs, Uhrlacher and Peppers–who should have dominated. And, they still can’t get Devin Hester into the game other than on special teams. What a joke.
    The entire NFC North is underwhelming right now, and the Packers and Bears proved it.

  89. LightningLucci says: Sep 28, 2010 1:54 PM

    This is one of those cases where EITHER decision could be right or wrong. He may have missed that short field goal, much like the Saints just did.
    However, like baseball, you just sometimes have to play the percentages. I’m betting that there is a greater percentage chance that GB would have scored a tying touchdown than Chicago missing that field goal. Thus, IMO, they should have let him score.
    But like others have said, the challenge is what messed things up. If GB still had that timeout, then stopping them was the right call, because now we’re talking about driving for a field goal with 50 seconds left. Better chances there.

  90. slegeir says: Sep 28, 2010 2:00 PM

    Yes, hold on to the ball James Jones!!! He’s making way too many mistakes. They could’ve gone down the field and scored if it hadn’t been for his stupid fumble. Why isn’t any one talking about that. It’s not just the coach’s fault!

  91. sand0 says: Sep 28, 2010 2:06 PM

    packrulzm,
    It is hilarious that you mention only your QB and linebacker as great players and then just say “a bunch of other dudes”. You sound like the clueless announcers who apparently believe the Packers also only have those two players.
    Also spewing hate at Vikings fans for smack talking your over rated and underwhelming squad while claiming they aren’t a legit rival is…well maybe you can eventually figure that out.

  92. Dewey Axewoond says: Sep 28, 2010 2:13 PM

    CarlGerbschmidt says:
    September 28, 2010 12:01 PM
    Those were laterals. Refs screw us all the way to end plus they stole time. We did not Lose. We were robbed. I want to slap Cutler
    _____________________________
    And maybe while you slap him you can also angrily lisp at him that he’s just a “big old Misther Meanie pants”, too.

  93. Mr Krinkle says: Sep 28, 2010 2:17 PM

    The guy McCarthy was playing against in fantasy football had Matt Forte. He made the right move.

  94. LBPACKFAN says: Sep 28, 2010 2:23 PM

    Vikings = 2 games back

  95. Emoney says: Sep 28, 2010 2:41 PM

    At least we didn’t lose at home to the dolphins.
    Viking fans get so excited when the packers lose because they think it gives them hope. Reality check for you morons..you guys have to face peppers twice this year. You didn’t hold up too well against him last year. Your QB will be running, I mean, rolling away in his wheel chair all day against him.
    Good game Chicago. I actually have a new found respect for you guys. The packers outplayed the bears but didn’t deserve to win with all of those penalties.
    The packers need a running game badly. This won’t work in December when its snowing in lambeau or foxboro.

  96. CarlGerbschmidt says: Sep 28, 2010 2:51 PM

    Contra says:
    September 28, 2010 12:28 PM
    It unfortunate that the “Darlings” of the NFL were the most undisciplined “BASTARDS” last night. 19 penalties huh? Hows that happen!? OH YEA…being DOMINATED from the very beginning and realizing it was time to cheat in order to survive!
    It was NO SURPRISE that Woodson drew penalties because thats the only way that cheating bastard earns his paychecks.
    If Packers play the rules they lose.
    ———-
    Really? Your team is terrible! How many Super Bowls have you won? I’m sorry, has this answer changed in the last year? It’s NEVER gonna change! You know why? Because your team is terrible. Oh brett farve is going to come here and save our team because we don’t have any quarterbacks at all on our roster because our team is so STUPID they won’t even go out and get a quarterback , so let’s get brett farve. You know what he’s always going to be? He’s going to end your season with another interception and it’s going to be someone else’s fault. Because it’s NEVER his fault! Oh I thought Sidney was going to come back to the ball… You people are pathetic.

  97. CaptainMarvel says: Sep 28, 2010 2:53 PM

    And Packer fans say Childress is an idiot??? LMFAO!!!

  98. Pack_Attack says: Sep 28, 2010 2:53 PM

    We have one of the best GMs in the game and a mediocre HC at best.

  99. suite34 says: Sep 28, 2010 3:07 PM

    I believe coach McCarthy made the right call. I would have done the exact same thing in his position.
    Sincerely,
    Raheem Morris (aka the guy who elected to punt on 4th &2 from the opponent’s 36 yard line while trailing 38-6)

  100. 1mge says: Sep 28, 2010 3:13 PM

    Vikings are 1-2

  101. purpleguy says: Sep 28, 2010 3:14 PM

    If Klink had made the same dumbass calls McLardy made or had an undisciplined team with 18 penalties there’d be 3 inch headlines declaring his incompetence, but heaven forbid anyone tarnish the rep of the pre-season Super Bowl favorites.

  102. Deb says: Sep 28, 2010 3:52 PM

    CarlGerbschmidt says:
    Those were laterals. Refs screw us all the way to end plus they stole time. We did not Lose. We were robbed. I want to slap Cutler
    ———————————————–
    Everyone wants to slap Cutler. He just has that kind of face. But the Pack lost the game without any help from the refs … maybe a little mystical karma for having JimmySmith in their fan base. If they were laterals, they were the sorriest-looking laterals ever. Do you actually think you were going to score on that final bit of horseplay??? Everyone seemed more interested in lobbing the ball back and forth than moving it downfield.

  103. dirtyernie says: Sep 28, 2010 3:54 PM

    Mike M gave a rousing speach to his players this am:
    ” Men, we have to stop all those penalties. I suggest we quit getting caught.”
    “Next week lets not kick it directly to Hester”
    ‘Coach we don’t play the bears again next week’
    “Duh, I’m sorry your correct”
    “Next week we run Grant more”
    “Coach, he’s out for the season”
    “Duh, I’m sorry your correct”.

  104. spermwhale says: Sep 28, 2010 4:28 PM

    the ship be sinkin’ ………
    how the GB special teams coach Slocum still has a job in the NFL is the million dollar question.

  105. ACS2 says: Sep 28, 2010 5:00 PM

    CaptainMarvel says:
    September 28, 2010 2:53 PM
    And Packer fans say Childress is an idiot??? LMFAO!!!
    ———-
    Are you saying he’s not?

  106. Gravy Makes Sconnies Fat says: Sep 28, 2010 5:57 PM

    Pack_Attack said the packers “have one of the best GMs in the game”.

  107. Contra says: Sep 28, 2010 6:20 PM

    Here is the best part – It was a game between the PACKERS and the BEARS yet you have PACKER fans on here saying the Vikings record is worse.
    Packer fan handbook chapter 1 – If your back is against the wall and the sh*t hits the fan then point at previous championships.
    Chapter 2 – no matter what, after a loss, find a team with a lesser record and deflect negative attention to them.
    Never your fault right Packer fans? Always someone else right?

  108. Deb says: Sep 28, 2010 7:23 PM

    @Contra …
    Here’s one for you. It’s a game between the Packers and Bears. You’re Beer Cheese Soup, a miserable Packers fan, so what do you do?
    Well, at 4:23 a.m., you start posting bitter comments to a Steelers fan who hasn’t done a anything to you. For absolutely no reason, you rant on multiple threads that she’s a man-hating feminist supremacist homer.
    Don’t know what kind of women they have in Green Bay (obviously the kind who leave men frustrated and pounding computer keys at 4:23 a.m.), but I love football, my team, and the men in my life–who aren’t complaining. And I don’t take out my anger by senselessly berating random people when my team loses.
    Maybe Beer Cheese thinks I hate men because he assumes I’ve mistaken him for one.

  109. Contra says: Sep 28, 2010 8:14 PM

    # CarlGerbschmidt says: September 28, 2010 2:51 PM
    Contra says:
    September 28, 2010 12:28 PM
    It unfortunate that the “Darlings” of the NFL were the most undisciplined “BASTARDS” last night. 19 penalties huh? Hows that happen!? OH YEA…being DOMINATED from the very beginning and realizing it was time to cheat in order to survive!
    It was NO SURPRISE that Woodson drew penalties because thats the only way that cheating bastard earns his paychecks.
    If Packers play the rules they lose.
    ———-
    Really? Your team is terrible! How many Super Bowls have you won? I’m sorry, has this answer changed in the last year? It’s NEVER gonna change! You know why? Because your team is terrible. Oh brett farve is going to come here and save our team because we don’t have any quarterbacks at all on our roster because our team is so STUPID they won’t even go out and get a quarterback , so let’s get brett farve. You know what he’s always going to be? He’s going to end your season with another interception and it’s going to be someone else’s fault. Because it’s NEVER his fault! Oh I thought Sidney was going to come back to the ball… You people are pathetic.
    ———-
    The truth hurt you that bad that you had to go on this pathetic rant? ouch!

  110. Contra says: Sep 28, 2010 8:15 PM

    # Deb says: September 28, 2010 7:23 PM
    @Contra …
    Here’s one for you. It’s a game between the Packers and Bears. You’re Beer Cheese Soup, a miserable Packers fan, so what do you do?
    Well, at 4:23 a.m., you start posting bitter comments to a Steelers fan who hasn’t done a anything to you. For absolutely no reason, you rant on multiple threads that she’s a man-hating feminist supremacist homer.
    Don’t know what kind of women they have in Green Bay (obviously the kind who leave men frustrated and pounding computer keys at 4:23 a.m.), but I love football, my team, and the men in my life–who aren’t complaining. And I don’t take out my anger by senselessly berating random people when my team loses.
    Maybe Beer Cheese thinks I hate men because he assumes I’ve mistaken him for one.
    ———
    You make no sense. I am not a Packer fan nor do I live in Wisconsin. Nice try though.

  111. ragnar6chicken says: Sep 28, 2010 8:33 PM

    Deb, Beer cheese is in Seattle.
    I think he just hates Ted Thompson and the Steelers. But, he just may hate women also.

  112. Deb says: Sep 28, 2010 9:32 PM

    @Contra …
    Sorry, thought you were a Vikes fan complaining about Packers sniping at Vikes after losing to the BEARS. I simply shared that they don’t stop at Vikes, one is sniping at a Steeler girl because he’s pissy about losing to da Bears. Was on your side.
    Geez, do they wean you NFC North guys on prickly cactus??
    Hi, Jeff ;)
    Nice to see one NFC North guy who’s not always in a bad mood. Wow, I get more love from Ravens, Bengals, Browns than on these threads (seriously). Thank goodness for you, Perv, footballrulz, GBIS, and frank booth!
    Yeah, I know Soup to Nuts is in Seattle … but I think he started out in Wisconsin. Guess last night’s loss took a toll. The sight of that foolishly thrown red flag just set him off like a bull :)

  113. Deb says: Sep 28, 2010 10:49 PM

    @Contra …
    Sorry, thought you were a Vikes fan complaining about Packers sniping at Vikes after losing to the BEARS. I simply shared that they don’t stop at Vikes, one is sniping at a Steeler girl because he’s pissy about losing to da Bears. Was on your side.
    Geez, do they wean you NFC North guys on prickly cactus??
    Hi, Jeff ;)
    Nice to see one NFC North guy who’s not always in a bad mood. Wow, I get more love from Ravens, Bengals, Browns than on these threads (seriously). Thank goodness for you, Perv, footballrulz, GBIS, and frank booth!
    Yeah, I know Soup to Nuts is in Seattle … but I think he started out in Wisconsin. Guess last night’s loss took a toll. The sight of that foolishly thrown red flag just set him off like a bull :)

  114. Beer Cheese Soup says: Sep 28, 2010 11:08 PM

    Deb says:
    Here’s one for you. It’s a game between the Packers and Bears. You’re Beer Cheese Soup, a miserable Packers fan, so what do you do?
    Well, at 4:23 a.m., you start posting bitter comments to a Steelers fan who hasn’t done a anything to you. For absolutely no reason, you rant on multiple threads that she’s a man-hating feminist supremacist homer.
    _______________
    You ever hear of time zones? I get up pretty early to get the kids to school, but not THAT early..
    I am not miserable about that loss. Disappointed in my own team for their pathetic performance? Sure, but that’s the extent of it. At least it’s early in the season.
    As for you, if you don’t want to get called out for being a feminist, a manhater, or a Steelers homer (which reminds me, why are you trolling a Packers-Bears thread again?), you ought to start by not acting like all of the above. As you well know, I’m not the only one who has said these things.
    ___
    ragnar6chicken (Six?! Wow.) says:
    I think he just hates Ted Thompson and the Steelers. But, he just may hate women also.
    ____________
    We’ve been over this, but you seem to need a review.
    I don’t hate Ted. I’m sure he’s a perfectly nice guy. I only hate what his arrogant and stubborn personnel practices have done to my once-competitive team.
    I also don’t hate the Steelers. Pittsburgh is actually one of the nicest cities I’ve been to, and I respect any team that has such a rich winning tradition.
    I do have a lot of issues with some of their fans though. They make Ted supporters look sane and flexible by comparison. You should see them, still defending their XL “title”, claiming that Leavy’s confession was somehow coerced, saying that Roethlisberger is a top five QB, that Santonio Holmes was “wrongfully persecuted, oh wait, he’s a Jet now.. Well then, what a piece of…” It’s disgusting.
    Deb, who is so obsessed with winning arguments that she seems to be stalking me even in my OWN team’s threads these days, is among the worst of the worst.
    I may hate on Viking fans a lot. I may hate on so-called Packer “fans” that support Ted’s continued failures quite a bit too. However, and I say this plainly, NONE of you have ANYTHING on the likes of some of the Steeler homers on this site.
    …Except Pervy, of course, but even he has to go out of his way deliberately to pull it off.

  115. ACS2 says: Sep 29, 2010 9:16 AM

    Contra says:
    September 28, 2010 6:20 PM
    Here is the best part – It was a game between the PACKERS and the BEARS yet you have PACKER fans on here saying the Vikings record is worse.
    Packer fan handbook chapter 1 – If your back is against the wall and the sh*t hits the fan then point at previous championships.
    Chapter 2 – no matter what, after a loss, find a team with a lesser record and deflect negative attention to them.
    Never your fault right Packer fans? Always someone else right?
    ————
    Chapter 2 is only employed after multiple morons of a lesser team miraculously find the power button on a computer, intergoogle PFT and expose their worthlessness on a thread having nothing to do with their lesser team. Above is a brilliant example.

  116. ACS2 says: Sep 29, 2010 9:17 AM

    Deb says:
    September 28, 2010 9:32 PM
    @Contra …
    Sorry, thought you were a Vikes fan complaining about Packers sniping at Vikes after losing to the BEARS. I simply shared that they don’t stop at Vikes, one is sniping at a Steeler girl because he’s pissy about losing to da Bears. Was on your side.
    ————–
    Color me surprised that something obvious needed to be spelled out to Contra.

  117. ACS2 says: Sep 29, 2010 9:25 AM

    Beer Cheese Soup says:
    September 28, 2010 11:08 PM
    …Except Pervy, of course, but even he has to go out of his way deliberately to pull it off.
    —————
    How do you know it’s deliberate? He could be THAT dumb.

  118. Deb says: Sep 29, 2010 9:44 AM

    @Beer Cheese …
    I don’t troll Packers threads looking for ways to start arguments. I paid a compliment to a beautiful touchdown run with apologies to my Packer friends–as usual, trying to say something nice to one group of fans without offending another. You’ve been posting vicious attacks at me as a woman ever since because that’s the way you operate. Despite you showing up on every Steelers thread to rant about how we buy Super Bowls, I’ve repeatedly tried to be polite to you and never said anything that could remotely be construed as man-hating or feminist supremacist. That’s not my life philosophy or my style. Leavy said he felt he’d made a couple of bad calls–something other officials dispute. He did not “confess” to taking bribes or anything else you’ve been spouting in your delusions.
    Please don’t address anymore comments to me. You lost a football game and decided I was an easy whipping post. One doesn’t have to be a “feminist supremacist” to realize you searched to find a girl to pick on. It says a lot about who you are that you didn’t come here and fight with the men. You’re not who I thought you were and it was ridiculous for me to attempt adult conversatons with you. Get lost.

  119. joetoronto says: Sep 29, 2010 10:01 AM

    FYI: If you want people to read what you type, keep it short and sweet.
    Nobody reads posts that are a page long.

  120. ragnar6chicken says: Sep 29, 2010 1:14 PM

    Beer:
    You still seem to be a sad bitter man.

  121. DSC says: Sep 29, 2010 1:59 PM

    DEB,
    word of advice….change your PFT username so no one knows your a woman…..then you can quit playing the gender card…that way we all can continue to show your football ignorance and you cannot come back with”cause im a woman”…..your a person who knows little about the game…..you keep proving that regardless of oyur gender.

  122. ragnar6chicken says: Sep 29, 2010 3:04 PM

    Deb:
    That wasn’t advice from DSC, he was actually speaking about himself to himself.
    Seriously, this cheese turd telling you, that you know nothing about football is the equivelant of JimmySmith telling Ron Jeremy he knows nothing about getting laid!

  123. Deb says: Sep 29, 2010 3:59 PM

    Thanks, Jeff :)
    Yep, DSC’s problem is that he doesn’t have the football knowledge to match me and he knows it … so he tries to deflect with this playground stuff. And Beer Cheese is just sad and bitter. You called it.
    And DSC, there’s a difference between pointing out that a guy is going for the soft target and “playing the gender card.” I’m not asking for special treatment–just saying I don’t respect men who zero in on the nearest woman but aren’t willing to take on the other men. Guess I’m kinda traditional that way.

  124. DSC says: Sep 29, 2010 4:24 PM

    Yeah Deb, your knowledge is undeniable….LMAO…….

  125. DSC says: Sep 29, 2010 4:26 PM

    # ragnar6chicken says: September 29, 2010 3:04 PM
    Deb:
    That wasn’t advice from DSC, he was actually speaking about himself to himself.
    Seriously, this cheese turd telling you, that you know nothing about football is the equivelant of JimmySmith telling Ron Jeremy he knows nothing about getting laid!
    _______________________
    was this your attempt at being clever? lol…wow…i hope not….kind of sad pal

  126. DSC says: Sep 29, 2010 4:48 PM

    Deb says:
    And DSC, there’s a difference between pointing out that a guy is going for the soft target and “playing the gender card.” I’m not asking for special treatment–just saying I don’t respect men who zero in on the nearest woman but aren’t willing to take on the other men. Guess I’m kinda traditional that way.
    _________________________________
    Last time i checked the dozens of people are arguing with you argue with other guys also…you arent making sense here lady….every thread im on you are arguing with a different teams fans….why is that? just give up the gender excuse and lets see your extensive “knowledge.” or once again ill recommend you change your name and see the results…

  127. Beer Cheese Soup says: Sep 29, 2010 6:01 PM

    DSC says:
    word of advice….change your PFT username so no one knows your a woman…..then you can quit playing the gender card…that way we all can continue to show your football ignorance and you cannot come back with”cause im a woman”…..your a person who knows little about the game…..you keep proving that regardless of oyur gender.
    ____________
    THANK YOU. That was refreshingly accurate.
    ___
    Deb says:
    I’m not asking for special treatment–just saying I don’t respect men who zero in on the nearest woman but aren’t willing to take on the other men. Guess I’m kinda traditional that way.
    ____________
    I think that’s great. I’m all about equal rights for everyone and special treatment for no one. I personally could play the race card every day on here too, but I don’t. That’s a pathetic fallback for those who have no argument to the topic at hand.
    Are you seriously saying I don’t get into it with male posters on this site though? You obviously don’t read many of my posts.
    If a man posts something ranging between wrong and completely ignorant, I call them on it. If a woman says something wrong or ignorant, I call them on it. Is that not the fair and equal treatment you claim to want??

  128. Deb says: Sep 29, 2010 6:38 PM

    @DSC …
    It doesn’t make sense because you walked into the middle of a conversation. Wasn’t referring to you with that line nor to those “dozens” of others. Was referring to the guys who do that. And then there are the guys who don’t actually talk football, they just keep telling me I don’t know any.
    On the other hand, there also are many many guys who post nothing but positive comments, compliments, marriage proposals, good humor, and interesting football discussions. Have to take the bad with the good.
    My gender doesn’t bother me, darlin’. I enjoy being a girl, and I’ve met a lot of grownup men on PFT who don’t have a problem talking football with a woman. The only one who seems deeply troubled by my gender is you. Afraid I can’t help with that … but have you ever seen the movie “Bull Durham”? Maybe wearing women’s underwear will help you work out the, um, kinks. ;)
    Bye.

  129. LordFavre says: Sep 29, 2010 7:03 PM

    The Packers suck….
    AROD benefits from YAC more than any QB in the NFL…
    The Packers should be 1-2…If Vick would have run the ball, or had a little more time, they would have been beat…
    AROD = over-rated.

  130. DSC says: Sep 29, 2010 9:13 PM

    Deb says:
    September 29, 2010 6:38 PM
    @DSC …
    It doesn’t make sense because you walked into the middle of a conversation. Wasn’t referring to you with that line nor to those “dozens” of others. Was referring to the guys who do that. And then there are the guys who don’t actually talk football, they just keep telling me I don’t know any.
    On the other hand, there also are many many guys who post nothing but positive comments, compliments, marriage proposals, good humor, and interesting football discussions. Have to take the bad with the good.
    My gender doesn’t bother me, darlin’. I enjoy being a girl, and I’ve met a lot of grownup men on PFT who don’t have a problem talking football with a woman. The only one who seems deeply troubled by my gender is you. Afraid I can’t help with that … but have you ever seen the movie “Bull Durham”? Maybe wearing women’s underwear will help you work out the, um, kinks. ;)
    Bye.
    ____________________
    As you know I’ve never mentioned your gender other than in regards to you always using that to defend why the majority of the people on here “attack” you and act like it has nothign to do with your lack of football IQ. Just found a way for you to stop having to worry about that but obviously you like using that as your excuse.
    Beer Cheese Soup,
    It had to be done, why she plays that instead of coming up with a rebuttal is beyond me, i could care less if its a she, he, white black, pink, or green, who cares what you are? If she could only pull her head out of her…

  131. DSC says: Sep 29, 2010 9:17 PM

    LordFavre says:
    September 29, 2010 7:03 PM
    The Packers suck….
    AROD benefits from YAC more than any QB in the NFL…
    The Packers should be 1-2…If Vick would have run the ball, or had a little more time, they would have been beat…
    AROD = over-rated.
    ___________________________
    A Rod took what the bears defense gave him Monday night. They couldn’t run and the deep ball wasnt open much so he just kept methodically moving them down teh field(when flags werent thrown.) You seem a bit jealous or bitter.
    They are 2-1….the Vikes are 1-2 after beating the Lions. Nice argument.
    A Rod can put up those numbers with a mediocre line and no run game…..overrated? WOW…

  132. ACS2 says: Sep 30, 2010 9:35 AM

    LordFavre says:
    September 29, 2010 7:03 PM
    The Packers suck….
    AROD benefits from YAC more than any QB in the NFL…
    The Packers should be 1-2…If Vick would have run the ball, or had a little more time, they would have been beat…
    AROD = over-rated.
    ———-
    If Rodgers is overrated what’s that make Lord Favre? Outdated? Obsolete?

  133. Deb says: Sep 30, 2010 11:55 AM

    @DSC …
    This site routinely gets about 2.5-3 million hits. Only 7-10 percent of those readers leave comments. Of those, only a tiny portion acknowledge me at all, and most are quite supportive. I have a handful of perennial arguers–the same group all the time. Take you, for instance. And most of them argue for one reason only: I argue back. It has nothing to do with gender.
    The gender-driven people usually call me c**t, wh**e, b**ch, and make other graphic sexual references. If you don’t think a guy telling me I want to be gang raped on a urine-soaked floor is gender-specific, you are a fool. But I knew that when you gave up in a game discussion that went over your head and started chanting “lack of football IQ” to deflect from the fact that you had no response. It’s a weasel’s way to get out of a discussion … and we both know it.
    Wise up, love. I’ve been posting here for quite a while. Those 3 million silent readers aren’t the idiots you imagine. My football knowledge has spoken for itself on both boards– that’s why I’ve always gotten more positive feedback than negative. PFT/CFT readers will make their own judgments based on the material provided, not on your deflections.
    Nice try though.
    Women’s panties. They did wonders for Nuke LaLoosh ;)

  134. ragnar6chicken says: Sep 30, 2010 1:06 PM

    DSC:
    Just stop now. You are overmatched and outclassed.
    She has handed you your ass several times now.
    Cut bait and save a shred of dignity.
    Deb:
    he’s a packer fan, there is no getting through to most of them.
    Now, he’s huddling up with Beer Cheese…..lol.
    The response coming back should be dazzling.
    It’s a pleasure to watch you put people in their place.

  135. DSC says: Sep 30, 2010 1:40 PM

    Ok Deb, you are obviously not going to take an easy out and a way to quit all this gender crap so i guess all of us besides your female friend ragnarchicken will just have to deal with your only excuse for getting picked on….its just unfortunate for all of us to have to deal with but looks like everyone is used to it.
    Ragnar, really? Nice to see stick up for a fellow woman…..And a viking fan going after a packer fan….shocking……Why you are getting involved in this only you know…most likely you just see a packer fan and jump on it…..but notice how most dont acknowledge you or dignify you with a response…..i guess ill join them and just ignore you….thought you could be made to look stupid and would go away but i forget….you are a viking fan…..its what you are used to

  136. DSC says: Sep 30, 2010 2:07 PM

    And Ragnar, you are getting murdered over on teh clay mathews thread…..id spend more time over there defending your accusation and ridic comments instead of patting deb on the back for being proud to use the gender card.

  137. ragnar6chicken says: Sep 30, 2010 3:05 PM

    DSC:
    I’m getting “pounded” for speaking the truth, you pack fans just can’t handle it.
    Calling me a woman?LMFAO!! Jesus you are pathetic.
    Most dont acknowlege because I’ve verbally abused and proved som many of them wrong over and over, it’s just easier for them to not try me again.
    You arethe one that instigated the gender issue and now you are focusing your post s on that issue for the simple fact that she knows more about football and life in general than you do.
    STFU and GFY, ok?

  138. DSC says: Sep 30, 2010 3:31 PM

    Ragnar,
    LOL, you are mighty clever.
    I’m not instigating the gender thing, i gave her a way out but hse wont take it because when people disagree with ehr she can say its because of gender….its pathetic……she is smarter than that…..
    Yeah, thats why most dont acknowledge you, has nothing to do with your posts…..have you ever made a strong argument about football or just name calling and personal shots? LMFAO for “proving them wrong.” You are getting killed on the Clay Mathews thread for your erroneous remarks, not because people are scared to argue with you, its because oyu run your mouth with little to back it up.
    You are a sad individual.
    Still waiting for you to “speak the truth.”

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